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     "text": "Socrates wrote nothing and is known mainly through posthumous accounts; the four important sources are Plato and Xenophon, his disciples, Aristotle, born fifteen years after his death and informed at second hand, and the comic playwright Aristophanes, his contemporary, with fragments from other Socratics such as Aeschines and Antisthenes.",
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     "text": "The reading is also measured: in Aristotle, Socrates never appears in snub contexts (0 of 144) against his placeholder twin Callias (5 of 35), a distribution the innocent reading, that his snub is biographical and so avoided, is stated to explain fully; in Plato he is the most loosely specified of seven speaking positions, under a falsifier fixed in advance, with the limit that a dramatist would produce the same gradient.",
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     "text": "Its strongest thesis, that one hand wrote Plato and Socrates, and probably Xenophon and Aristophanes, was tested on how confined Socrates' attestation is to these texts; Protagoras proved more confined still (99.8 against 99.5 per cent), and the confinement was found unremarkable within its class, produced by being a subject of philosophical dialogue.",
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     "quote": "\"Plato has Socrates denying that he would ever accept money for teaching, while Xenophon's Symposium clearly has Socrates stating that students pay him to teach wisdom\"",
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     "quote": "\"An essay written by Friedrich Schleiermacher in 1815...is considered the most significant and influential toward developing an understanding of the problem\"",
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     "quote": "\"It has become apparent to scholarship that this problem is seemingly impossible to clarify and thus perhaps now classified as unsolvable\"",
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     "quote": "\"Charles Kahn...argued that Plato had created his works...as a unified philosophical vision, whereby he uses Socratic dialogues, a non-historical genre\"",
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     "quote": "\"Socrates lived during a time when people did not strive to separate fact from fiction. So how much of what we know about Socrates is true?\"",
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     "quote": "\"This problem — also known as the Socratic problem — has proven so difficult to solve that it has almost evolved into an academic discipline of its own.\"",
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     "quote": "\"The 'real' Socrates we have not,\" Dutch philosopher C.J. de Vogel surmised of the Socratic problem in an article from 1955. \"What we have is a set of interpretations each of which represents a 'theoretically possible' Socrates.\"",
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     "quote": "\"Of the 35 dialogues Plato wrote in his lifetime, Socrates serves as the principal character in all but one, Laws.\"",
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     "quote": "\"Over the years, academics have raised several concerns about the dialogues. First and foremost, several of them appear to have been based on events that took place before Plato's own birth\"",
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     "quote": "\"The substantial differences between Plato's version of Socrates and Aristophanes' version have led scholars to suggest that the Socrates from The Clouds is not so much a caricature of the historical figure as he is an amalgamation of different philosophers\"",
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     "quote": "\"These questions constitute the \"Socratic problem,\" the attempt to discover the historical individual behind the ancient accounts of Socrates and his philosophy.\"",
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     "quote": "\"Socrates wrote nothing; for our information we depend on four major sources.\"",
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     "quote": "\"The earliest source is Greek comedy, primarily Aristophanes' Clouds, produced in 423 B.C.\"",
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     "quote": "\"Born fifteen years after Socrates' death, Aristotle was a member of Plato's Academy and was presumably familiar with the ancient literature and lore concerning Socrates.\"",
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     "quote": "\"The Socratic problem stems in part from questions about the reliability of these sources.\"",
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     "quote": "\"I shall argue below that we know a good deal about the life, character, philosophical interests and method of the historical Socrates.\"",
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     "quote": "\"Unfortunately, our knowledge does not extend to what doctrines, if any, he may have professed, which is just what contemporary philosophical scholars most want to know.\"",
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     "quote": "\"The uncertainty about Socrates' doctrines is traceable to our earliest sources, and in fact to the portraits of Socrates in our most weighty source, Plato. Socrates was apparently something of a mystery even to his closest associates.\"",
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    "B4": "Wikipedia — Socrates (§ The Socratic problem)",
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    "B6": "YouTube — The Socratic Problem (Academy of Ideas, 3m)",
    "B7": "Reddit r/philosophy — The Socratic Problem: Reconstructing the Historical Socrates"
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      {
       "label": "The man's status, contested within:",
       "text": "kept real (#123); denied as a figure imperfectly accessed (#167); no thesis about persons (#1579).",
       "claims": [
        "S123-09",
        "S167-02",
        "S1579-04"
       ]
      },
      {
       "label": "Limits:",
       "text": "makes it thinkable, proves nothing; no identity of persons.",
       "claims": [
        "S123-16",
        "S123-05"
       ]
      }
     ]
    }
   ],
   "rail": [
    {
     "lineage": "The problem defined",
     "claims": [
      "F1",
      "F26",
      "F35"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Socrates wrote nothing",
     "claims": [
      "F2",
      "F27",
      "F34"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "The sources",
     "claims": [
      "F3",
      "F4",
      "F5",
      "F21",
      "F14",
      "F29"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Aristophanes' Socrates",
     "claims": [
      "F28",
      "F24"
     ],
     "earliest": "B2"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Xenophon's Socrates",
     "claims": [
      "F25",
      "F36",
      "F37",
      "F38",
      "F10"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Plato's dialogues",
     "claims": [
      "F6",
      "F7",
      "F8",
      "F9",
      "F22",
      "F23",
      "F33"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Aristotle's testimony",
     "claims": [
      "F15",
      "F40"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Schleiermacher",
     "claims": [
      "F11",
      "F12",
      "F13"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "What can be reconstructed",
     "claims": [
      "F30",
      "F31",
      "F32"
     ],
     "earliest": "B3"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Unsolvable",
     "claims": [
      "F16",
      "F17",
      "F18",
      "F19",
      "F20",
      "F39",
      "F41",
      "F42"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "The problem as a symptom",
     "claims": [
      "S123-02",
      "S1576-01",
      "S1575-01",
      "S1261-01"
     ],
     "earliest": 123
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Socrates as orthonym",
     "claims": [
      "S123-01",
      "S1585-01",
      "S859-01",
      "S152-01"
     ],
     "earliest": 123
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Biographical against functional identity",
     "claims": [
      "S136-08",
      "S1576-02",
      "S123-05",
      "S136-03"
     ],
     "earliest": 123
    },
    {
     "lineage": "An edition of a received character",
     "claims": [
      "S1579-01",
      "S1579-03",
      "S1583-01"
     ],
     "earliest": 1579
    },
    {
     "lineage": "No Socrates apart from the renderings",
     "claims": [
      "S168-01",
      "S168-02"
     ],
     "earliest": 168
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Socrates inside the inquiry (SE 34)",
     "claims": [
      "S1603-01",
      "S1574-01",
      "S1603-05"
     ],
     "earliest": 1574
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Measured: snub and the loosest speaker",
     "claims": [
      "S1570-01",
      "S1570-02",
      "S1571-01",
      "S1571-02",
      "S1575-05"
     ],
     "earliest": 1570
    },
    {
     "lineage": "One hand: tested, withdrawn",
     "claims": [
      "S1569-01",
      "S1569-05",
      "S1572-01",
      "S1572-02"
     ],
     "earliest": 1569
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Aristophanes outside; Xenophon held apart",
     "claims": [
      "S1594-03",
      "S1569-12",
      "S1585-03",
      "S1658-01"
     ],
     "earliest": 1569
    },
    {
     "lineage": "The man's status, unsettled in the archive",
     "claims": [
      "S123-09",
      "S167-02",
      "S1579-04",
      "S203-01"
     ],
     "earliest": 123
    },
    {
     "lineage": "The reading's limits",
     "claims": [
      "S123-16",
      "S1579-05"
     ],
     "earliest": 123
    }
   ]
  },
  "P_B": {
   "title": "The Socratic problem",
   "arm": "B (the field alone)",
   "genre": "popup — the compression: AIO's interaction grammar (lede, headed clusters, bolded terms, card rail), modality in the typography, a rail of claim lineages",
   "status": "composed 2026-10-07 from the field ledger alone; not frozen",
   "entity": "The entity does not evolve: with no archive claims admitted, the entry is the field's problem at its full resolution.",
   "lede": {
    "text": "is the difficulty of recovering the historical Socrates, who wrote nothing, from portrayals by Plato, Xenophon, Aristophanes and Aristotle that contradict one another; some hold it cannot be solved.",
    "claims": [
     "F1",
     "F2",
     "F4",
     "F35",
     "F16"
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    {
     "icon": "📜",
     "head": "The sources",
     "items": [
      {
       "label": "Wrote nothing:",
       "text": "known mainly through others' accounts.",
       "claims": [
        "F2",
        "F34"
       ]
      },
      {
       "label": "Four witnesses:",
       "text": "Plato and Xenophon (disciples), Aristophanes (contemporary), Aristotle (at second hand).",
       "claims": [
        "F3",
        "F4",
        "F14",
        "F29"
       ]
      },
      {
       "label": "They disagree:",
       "text": "the Clouds, 423 BC, perhaps a composite; Xenophon practical; payment for teaching.",
       "claims": [
        "F28",
        "F24",
        "F25",
        "F10"
       ]
      }
     ]
    },
    {
     "icon": "🧭",
     "head": "Plato's Socrates",
     "items": [
      {
       "label": "Principal speaker",
       "text": "in every dialogue but the Laws; few if any thought verbatim.",
       "claims": [
        "F22",
        "F7"
       ]
      },
      {
       "label": "Developmental view:",
       "text": "early Socratic, later Platonic; stylometry groups early, middle, late.",
       "claims": [
        "F8",
        "F9"
       ]
      },
      {
       "label": "Aristotle's testimony:",
       "text": "the forms not separate.",
       "claims": [
        "F15",
        "F40"
       ]
      }
     ]
    },
    {
     "icon": "⚖️",
     "head": "Positions",
     "items": [
      {
       "label": "Schleiermacher, 1815:",
       "text": "Apology and Crito purely Socratic; Xenophon later set aside.",
       "claims": [
        "F11",
        "F12",
        "F38"
       ]
      },
      {
       "label": "Reconstruct (Prior):",
       "text": "life, character, interests, method; knowledge not reaching the doctrines.",
       "claims": [
        "F31",
        "F32"
       ]
      },
      {
       "label": "Unsolvable:",
       "text": "fact and fiction unseparated; a non-historical genre (Kahn); only possible Socrateses (de Vogel).",
       "claims": [
        "F16",
        "F18",
        "F17",
        "F20"
       ]
      }
     ]
    }
   ],
   "rail": [
    {
     "lineage": "The problem defined",
     "claims": [
      "F1",
      "F26",
      "F35"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Socrates wrote nothing",
     "claims": [
      "F2",
      "F27",
      "F34"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "The sources",
     "claims": [
      "F3",
      "F4",
      "F5",
      "F21",
      "F14",
      "F29"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Aristophanes' Socrates",
     "claims": [
      "F28",
      "F24"
     ],
     "earliest": "B2"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Xenophon's Socrates",
     "claims": [
      "F25",
      "F36",
      "F37",
      "F38",
      "F10"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Plato's dialogues",
     "claims": [
      "F6",
      "F7",
      "F8",
      "F9",
      "F22",
      "F23",
      "F33"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Aristotle's testimony",
     "claims": [
      "F15",
      "F40"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Schleiermacher",
     "claims": [
      "F11",
      "F12",
      "F13"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "What can be reconstructed",
     "claims": [
      "F30",
      "F31",
      "F32"
     ],
     "earliest": "B3"
    },
    {
     "lineage": "Unsolvable",
     "claims": [
      "F16",
      "F17",
      "F18",
      "F19",
      "F20",
      "F39",
      "F41",
      "F42"
     ],
     "earliest": "B1"
    }
   ]
  },
  "KO_B": {
   "title": "The Socratic problem",
   "arm": "B (the field alone)",
   "genre": "the same plan, the field alone",
   "status": "draft 2026-10-07; not frozen",
   "sentences": [
    {
     "para": 0,
     "text": "The Socratic problem is the difficulty of reconstructing a historical and philosophical image of Socrates from sources that vary and contradict one another.",
     "n": 1,
     "claims": [
      "F1",
      "F26",
      "F35"
     ]
    },
    {
     "para": 0,
     "text": "Socrates wrote nothing and is known mainly through posthumous accounts; the four important sources are Plato and Xenophon, his disciples, Aristotle, born fifteen years after his death and informed at second hand, and the comic playwright Aristophanes, his contemporary, with fragments from other Socratics such as Aeschines and Antisthenes.",
     "n": 2,
     "claims": [
      "F2",
      "F34",
      "F3",
      "F4",
      "F29",
      "F14",
      "F5"
     ]
    },
    {
     "para": 1,
     "text": "The earliest source is Aristophanes' Clouds of 423 BC, whose Socrates may amalgamate several philosophers; Xenophon's Socrates is more practical, and is described as duller than Plato's, and the two disciples contradict each other, for instance on whether Socrates took payment for teaching.",
     "n": 3,
     "claims": [
      "F28",
      "F24",
      "F25",
      "F36",
      "F10"
     ]
    },
    {
     "para": 1,
     "text": "Socrates is the principal speaker in all of Plato's dialogues but the Laws, some of which depict events before Plato's birth; it is widely believed that few if any are verbatim accounts; a common view holds that they move from Socratic toward Platonic doctrine, and stylometry groups them as early, middle and late.",
     "n": 4,
     "claims": [
      "F22",
      "F23",
      "F7",
      "F8",
      "F9"
     ]
    },
    {
     "para": 1,
     "text": "Aristotle reports that Socrates did not hold the forms to be separate, a testimony often taken as free of the disciples' bias.",
     "n": 5,
     "claims": [
      "F15",
      "F40"
     ]
    },
    {
     "para": 2,
     "text": "Schleiermacher's essay of 1815 shaped the modern question, treating the Apology and the Crito as purely Socratic, and by the early twentieth century Xenophon had been largely set aside.",
     "n": 6,
     "claims": [
      "F11",
      "F12",
      "F38"
     ]
    },
    {
     "para": 2,
     "text": "Positions range from the argument that much can be known of Socrates' life, character, interests and method, while knowledge does not extend to his doctrines, if he had any, to the view that the problem cannot be solved: that his era did not separate fact from fiction, that the Socratic dialogue is a non-historical genre, and, with de Vogel, that the \"real\" Socrates we do not have, only the possible ones.",
     "n": 7,
     "claims": [
      "F31",
      "F32",
      "F16",
      "F18",
      "F17",
      "F20",
      "F41"
     ]
    }
   ],
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     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "lead",
     "quote": "\"concerns attempts at reconstructing a historical and philosophical image of Socrates based on the variable, and sometimes contradictory, nature of the existing sources\"",
     "modality": "stipulation"
    },
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     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "lead",
     "quote": "\"Since no writings by Socrates himself survive to the modern era, his actual views must be discerned\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F3": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "lead",
     "quote": "\"Scholars rely upon extant sources, such as those of contemporaries like Aristophanes or disciples of Socrates like Plato and Xenophon\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F4": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Sources",
     "quote": "\"Besides Plato, three other important sources exist for the study of Socrates: Aristophanes, Aristotle, and Xenophon\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F5": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Sources",
     "quote": "\"There are also four sources extant in fragmentary states: Aeschines of Sphettus, Antisthenes, Euclid of Megara, and Phaedo of Elis\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F6": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Plato",
     "quote": "\"Many of the dialogues seem to use Socrates as a device for Plato's thought\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F7": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Plato",
     "quote": "\"it is widely believed that very few, if any, of Plato's dialogues can be verbatim accounts\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F8": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "lead",
     "quote": "\"the most common modern view is that Plato's dialogues contain a development of thought from closer to that of Socrates' to a doctrine more distinctly Plato's own\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F9": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Chronology",
     "quote": "\"Stylometric analysis of Plato's work has led some scholars to classify dialogues as falling approximately into three groups, Early, Middle and Late\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F10": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Contradictions",
     "quote": "\"Plato has Socrates denying that he would ever accept money for teaching, while Xenophon's Symposium clearly has Socrates stating that students pay him to teach wisdom\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F11": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Schleiermacher",
     "quote": "\"An essay written by Friedrich Schleiermacher in 1815...is considered the most significant and influential toward developing an understanding of the problem\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F12": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Schleiermacher",
     "quote": "\"Schleiermacher maintained that the two dialogues Apology and Crito are purely Socratic\"",
     "modality": "attributed"
    },
    "F13": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Schleiermacher",
     "quote": "\"the real Socratic problem is understanding the dialectic between the figures of the 'Stranger' and 'Socrates'\"",
     "modality": "attributed"
    },
    "F14": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Aristotle",
     "quote": "\"Aristotle did not know Socrates directly; most of what he knew about him came from Plato and other sources\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F15": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Aristotle",
     "quote": "\"Aristotle states that Socrates did not defend the idea of forms existing separately, which is a view attributed to Plato\"",
     "modality": "attributed"
    },
    "F16": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Solvability",
     "quote": "\"It has become apparent to scholarship that this problem is seemingly impossible to clarify and thus perhaps now classified as unsolvable\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F17": {
     "source": "B1",
     "locus": "Kahn",
     "quote": "\"Charles Kahn...argued that Plato had created his works...as a unified philosophical vision, whereby he uses Socratic dialogues, a non-historical genre\"",
     "modality": "attributed"
    },
    "F18": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "standfirst",
     "quote": "\"Socrates lived during a time when people did not strive to separate fact from fiction. So how much of what we know about Socrates is true?\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F19": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "text",
     "quote": "\"This problem — also known as the Socratic problem — has proven so difficult to solve that it has almost evolved into an academic discipline of its own.\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F20": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "text",
     "quote": "\"The 'real' Socrates we have not,\" Dutch philosopher C.J. de Vogel surmised of the Socratic problem in an article from 1955. \"What we have is a set of interpretations each of which represents a 'theoretically possible' Socrates.\"",
     "modality": "attributed"
    },
    "F21": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "text",
     "quote": "\"Most of what we know about Socrates comes from just three sources: Plato, Aristophanes the playwright, and Xenophon the historian.\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F22": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "text",
     "quote": "\"Of the 35 dialogues Plato wrote in his lifetime, Socrates serves as the principal character in all but one, Laws.\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F23": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "text",
     "quote": "\"Over the years, academics have raised several concerns about the dialogues. First and foremost, several of them appear to have been based on events that took place before Plato's own birth\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F24": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "text",
     "quote": "\"The substantial differences between Plato's version of Socrates and Aristophanes' version have led scholars to suggest that the Socrates from The Clouds is not so much a caricature of the historical figure as he is an amalgamation of different philosophers\"",
     "modality": "hypothesis"
    },
    "F25": {
     "source": "B2",
     "locus": "text",
     "quote": "\"Xenophon's version of Socrates is more practical than his Platonic counterpart, advising others on subjects that Plato's Socrates never mentioned\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F26": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"These questions constitute the \"Socratic problem,\" the attempt to discover the historical individual behind the ancient accounts of Socrates and his philosophy.\"",
     "modality": "stipulation"
    },
    "F27": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"Socrates wrote nothing; for our information we depend on four major sources.\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F28": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"The earliest source is Greek comedy, primarily Aristophanes' Clouds, produced in 423 B.C.\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F29": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"Born fifteen years after Socrates' death, Aristotle was a member of Plato's Academy and was presumably familiar with the ancient literature and lore concerning Socrates.\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F30": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"The Socratic problem stems in part from questions about the reliability of these sources.\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F31": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"I shall argue below that we know a good deal about the life, character, philosophical interests and method of the historical Socrates.\"",
     "modality": "hypothesis"
    },
    "F32": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"Unfortunately, our knowledge does not extend to what doctrines, if any, he may have professed, which is just what contemporary philosophical scholars most want to know.\"",
     "modality": "hypothesis"
    },
    "F33": {
     "source": "B3",
     "locus": "abstract",
     "quote": "\"The uncertainty about Socrates' doctrines is traceable to our earliest sources, and in fact to the portraits of Socrates in our most weighty source, Plato. Socrates was apparently something of a mystery even to his closest associates.\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F34": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "lead",
     "quote": "\"An enigmatic figure, Socrates authored no texts and is known mainly through the posthumous accounts of classical writers\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F35": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "lead",
     "quote": "\"Contradictory accounts of Socrates make a reconstruction of his philosophy nearly impossible, a situation known as the Socratic problem\"",
     "modality": "stipulation"
    },
    "F36": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "Xenophon",
     "quote": "\"Xenophon's Socrates is duller, less humorous and less ironic than Plato's\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F37": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "Xenophon",
     "quote": "\"Xenophon portrayed Socrates as an uninspiring philosopher\"",
     "modality": "attributed"
    },
    "F38": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "Xenophon",
     "quote": "\"By the early twentieth century, Xenophon's account was largely rejected\"",
     "modality": "documented"
    },
    "F39": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "Plato",
     "quote": "\"How trustworthy Plato is in representing the attributes of Socrates is a matter of debate\"",
     "modality": "contested"
    },
    "F40": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "Aristotle",
     "quote": "\"Aristotle treats Socrates without the bias of Xenophon and Plato, who had an emotional tie with Socrates\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F41": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "Other sources",
     "quote": "\"Generally, logoi Sokratikoi cannot help us to reconstruct the historical Socrates even in cases where their narratives overlap\"",
     "modality": "interpretation"
    },
    "F42": {
     "source": "B4",
     "locus": "Socratic problem",
     "quote": "\"Charles H. Kahn has reinforced the skeptical stance on the unsolvable Socratic problem, suggesting that only Plato's Apology has any historical significance\"",
     "modality": "attributed"
    }
   },
   "field_sources": {
    "B1": "Wikipedia — Socratic problem",
    "B2": "Big Think — Socratic problem: How Plato and other Greek writers invented Socrates (T. Brinkhof, 1 Mar 2022)",
    "B3": "Santa Clara University Scholar Commons — William J. Prior, The Socratic Problem (in A Blackwell Companion to Plato, ed. H. Benson, 2006, 25–34)",
    "B4": "Wikipedia — Socrates (§ The Socratic problem)",
    "B5": "YouTube — The Socratic Problem (Nothing New, 9:58)",
    "B6": "YouTube — The Socratic Problem (Academy of Ideas, 3m)",
    "B7": "Reddit r/philosophy — The Socratic Problem: Reconstructing the Historical Socrates"
   }
  },
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