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PREFACE.
THE present work is a continuation of an edition
of Plato's Thezetetus which appeared at Oxford in
1861. Where these are inconsistent with each
other, the editor hopes that his later will be
found to correct his earlier views.
Bekker’s various readings from thirteen MSS.,
and Stallbaum’s from the six collated by him,
have been carefully consulted in revising the text.
It is to be regretted that later editors of Plato
have not had the opportunity of collating the seven
MSS. which Bekker saw in Italy in 1817-18, but
does not refer to in his Commentary. Schneider
also, in his edition of the Republic, mentions having
seen at Florence a MS. containing the Politicus,
which appeared to him to be of considerable value.
The readings of the Bodleian MS. are fully re-
corded by Gaisford in his Lectiones Platonice,
the publication of which led Bekker to dispense
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PREFACE.
with his intended visit to Oxford (“nolui actum
agere”). The MS., however, has been consulted
afresh, and several new readings from it will be
found in the notes, for the most part of little
moment, and agreeing with Vat. A. and Ven. II.
The special errors of the Bodleian, as of other
MSS. of the calligraphi, are generally of a super-
ficial kind. The omission of accents and of the
iota of the imperfect diphthongs is curiously fre-
quent. In these dialogues this MS. has only one
instance of contraction, viz. owe for οὐράνῳ in
Polit. 273 c. But there is, perhaps, evidence of
the earlier use of contractions in the mistaken
expansion of ἄκρων into ἀκριβῶν (Theeet. 148 c), and
of πραγμάτειαν into παραδειγμάτειαν (Polit. 279 a).
Compare Phileb. 36 e: πάσαις ἀφροσύναις Vv. 1. παρα-
φροσύναις.
Corrupt places have been marked with obeli,
and the most probable corrections are printed in
large type in the notes. Words whose authority
is doubtful, from their omission in some MSS., are
bracketed.
A few conjectural emendations, which appeared —
highly probable, have been admitted or retained
from former editions. These are marked with
asterisks, that the reader may have some intima-
tion of the state of the text.
PREFACE. 9
The Sophist has been edited in Germany, with
explanatory notes, by Heindorf and Stallbaum :
the Politicus only by Stallbaum, who, although
abundantly familiar with Plato, is inferior to
Heindorf in taste and judgment. Many scholars
have contributed to the elucidation of particular
points. But these dialogues, perhaps more than
most other ancient writings, require for their
interpretation that they should be taken as a
separate whole, and studied by their own light.
To δ᾽ αἴτιον, ὡς οἶμαι, προϊοῦσιν οὐχ ἧττον ἔσται
καταφανές. (Polit. 287 b.)
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SOPHIST AND STATESMAN
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ΡΙΑΤΟ.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
AS the discovery of truth and the direction of life are the
twofold function of philosophy, so Plato saw a twofold counter-
feit of his ideal educator and governor in the professors of
wisdom and the public men of his time. The one corrupted in-
quiry with controversy, the other spoiled politics with faction.
These Sophists and party leaders seemed to exhaust between
them the serious interest of the Greek world; for the poets,
sculptors, painters, and other “imitators with their child’s
play,” were by this time of less account. There might be
jealousies between these two great powers, who formed the
itellect and heart of every state, but they were usually in
league, and together held the public ear. Rarely, either in
the present or the past, might be traced the footprints of a
more august presence; of a Divine spirit “coming down in
the hkeness”’ of sage or legislator. Such glimpses of the Phi-
losopher and true potentate were few and far between, and
he had always been either misunderstood or rejected by man-
kind. The writer of these dialogues, whom for the present
we assume to be Plato, seems to have viewed this spectacle
with a feeling strangely mixed of curiosity, interest, and scorn.
In approaching his subject by a circuitous track, he makes
inquiry the vehicle of satire, and satire of inquiry. But it is
not to be inferred from this that the inquiry or even the per-
plexity which he exhibits here is merely ironical. On the
b
il GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
contrary, Plato is nowhere more intensely speculative, nor is
the aim of his discussion anywhere more real. This appears
even trom the form in which the questions are asked. In
other dialogues the character of Gorgias or Protagoras, Thra-
symachus or Polus, is dramatized, and certain hints thrown out
as to the nature of their profession; casual remarks are made
on the career of Pericles, Themistocles, and other servants of
the state: but here not a single name is mentioned; the spirit
of inquiry (as described in the Thestetus) refuses to descend
to individuals or to things near at hand, and the ideal Sophist,
the ideal Statesman, each character in the utmost generality,
is at once represented and defined. Again, in other dialogues
certain abstract questions are proposed, such as, What is cou-
rage, prudence, justice? and in the Thezetetus, What is know-
ledge? But even “Sophistic” is not a purely abstract con-
ception: the Sophists were a real class of persons, having, as
Plato believed, certain common characteristics. The state also
is an essentially complex thing, and the statesman can only
be known in relation to the state. This union of the universal
and the real, this personifying of a general notion, this attempt
to descend into the complexity of life without losing hold of
metaphysical conceptions, may be regarded, even on an external
view, as a leading peculiarity of these two dialogues.
And the form in this case truly indicates the substance; for
these writings are, together with the Thezetetus, the most dis-
tinct record which remains to us of a great effort, of which other
traces are found in the Parmenides and Philebus, by which Plato
endeavoured to bridge over the gulf which the first impulse of
philosophy had made between the absoluteness of Knowledge
and Being and the relativeness of Sensation and Appearance.
In some dialogues the phenomenal side of this antithesis, while
dramatically represented with great liveliness, is dialectically
annihilated; opinion, custom, the conceit of knowledge, are
brought on the stage with ironical circumstance for a prepared
overthrow; and the difficulty is stated, but not fully met—How
can virtue, not based on science, be virtue at all? But here
the same difficulty is presented in a more general aspect. The
hollowness of pretended wisdom, and the futility of existing
governments, are taken for granted or summarily proved. But
the question 15, How can the real and the apparent, the ideal
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. iil
and actual, coexist? And yet they must. For the non-
existent cannot be the object of attack; and unless true ideas
can be brought to bear on the actual circumstances of men,
there is no hope of remedying the evils of which the world is
full. This speculative doubt, while giving rise to certain
changes in Plato’s theory of Knowledge, forms the link be-
tween these dialogues and the Theetetus. That their con-
nexion with that dialogue is not merely outward, is the more
probable because the Thesxtetus, though ending, like the
Philebus, with a promise of further talk, wears no appearance
of being the first instalment of a larger design. But if, as
would appear from this, the two dialogues were conceived and
written at a later time, their author would not, without good
reason, present them as a continuation of an earlier writing.
And it may be regarded as a sufficient reason, that he was
now engaged with the more objective phase of the same anti-
thesis, of which the subjective aspect was developed in the
Thezetetus; for the opposition between the Absolute and
Relative, which the mind experiences in contrasting Know-
ledge with Sensation and Opinion, is also seen by her as the
contrast between the Real and the Unreal, and between the
Ideal and the Actual; when, for instance, the pretended wise
man is compared with the true lover of wisdom, and the great
men of this world with the perfect King. The chief aim of
each inquiry, however, is not so much to point the antithesis,
as to draw together the opposite poles; to find room for the
relative beside the absolute; to obtain a meeting-point between
idea and fact. As in the Theetetus the question, ‘‘ How is
false opinion possible?”? was met by an unsuccessful effort
to conceive the mode in which thought acts on sensation
and memory, so in the ‘“‘Sophist” there is raised the parallel
question, How can that which is not, appear to be? And
this doubt is, for the present at least, removed by raising
Difference (i.e. Negation) to the rank of an idea or category,
which has “communion” with, or participates in, Reality or
Being, and may thus become the object of thought. The cor-
responding difficulty in the Politicus has a double aspect. First,
What place is there for an ideal of government at all? This
question is answered by the supposition of alternate cycles, in
which the world is first guided and then left alone by God.
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1V GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
Secondly, How is science to be applied to government during
the inferior cycle in which we now live? The latter question
is only provisionally answered; but in a way which points to
the conception of an accommodation or δεύτερος πλοῦς, which
Plato afterwards embodied in the Laws.
The main difficulty which assumes these different forms (that
of the relation of ideas to phenomena) is clearly stated in the
Parmenides (to which dialogue allusion is made in the Thea-
tetus, and again in the Sophist), and receives a passing notice
at the opening of the Philebus. And the final elucidation of
the whole subject, the delineation of the bright form of Being,
the reconcilement of the speculative with the practical reason,
and the attainment of a perfect method, were probably the
destined task of the “ Philosopher,” a dialogue which was to
have ended this series or tetralogy of dialogues, but which it
does not appear that Plato ever composed. Whether he in-
stinctively turned back from an impossible enterprize, or whe-
ther, after he had once descended into the phenomenal world,
ethical and cosmical interests predominated over the merely
speculative, it is clear that the aspiration after an ideal
certainty which appears in these dialogues, and also in the
Republic and elsewhere, but which is here combined with a
promise that the very exactness of truth (αὐτὸ τἀκριβές, Polit.
284 4) shall be hereafter displayed, is nowhere satisfied. Nor
was the hope attainable in the infancy of science. But it is
not unlikely that Plato intended to place this keystone of the
dialectical fabric when he should take in hand to define the
Philosopher.
We have before us, therefore, the middle portion of an
unfinished work, looking backwards on the Thezetetus, pro-
bably across an interval (with a momentary glance at the
Parmenides), and forwards to an unwritten dialogue. Having
taken note of this, we may draw a little closer,—to a point,
however, from which the two dialogues can still be taken in
one view. There are marked and obvious differences be-
tween them. But these will be better seen when they are
examined separately: in a general survey it is more im-
portant to notice, without exaggerating, the features which
they have in common.
§ 1. The subjects of both dialogues are nearly related to
GENERAL INTRODUCTION, V
each other. The Sophist and Statesman were, as already
noticed, the main representatives of the world as it then was,
of the leading thoughts and principles of Plato’s contempo-
raries. Could these typical men be reduced under definitions ¢
Was a scientific knowledge of them possible? Did the vague-
ness of the science which they professed extend also to them-
selves? In what relation did the Sophist stand to the Philo-
sopher, or the members of existing governments to the true
King? There is however this difference of treatment: that
whereas the “ Sophist” is from the beginning a search for the
definition of pretended knowledge, the distinction between
reality and pretence only appears in the Politicus towards
the close.
§ 2. In both an extreme or premature ideal theory is modi-
fied: in the Sophist the dictum of Parmenides annihilating
“ Not-Being ;” in the Politicus the Pythagorean notion of a
theocracy under the Divine King. The mere abstract ‘ num-
bers” of the same school, are exchanged in the Politicus (an
another connexion) for a relative standard determined by the
idea of Good (τὸ μέτριον) ; and, in the Sophist, either the
same Pythagoreans, or the Megarians, or some of Plato’s own
followers, are criticized as the “ Friends of Ideas.”
§ 3. In both there is a deep vein of irony, or rather of
satire. The assertion of Socher, that in these dialogues the
Socratic irony is silent, could only be justified if it had been
meant that the irony is rather that of Plato. The humour
with which the chase after the Sophist is maintained, the fear
of his great cunning, the solemnity with which he is described
as a soul-purifier ; and in the Politicus, the notion of the crane
exalting himself at man’s expense, the quiet substitution of
Lydians and Phrygians for Hellenes as distinguished from
Barbarians, and the description of a state in which navigation
and medicine should be administered according to legal pre-
scription, are touches of an irony singularly Platonic. It is
true that the wild playfulness of the Phedrus and the dramatic
liveliness of the Republic are absent, and that the humour
is not unmixed with bitterness; but the occasional shadow of
misanthropy is not more unlike the caustic cheerfulness of
the Gorgias and Meno, than is the sad smile and sober
colouring of the Laws. Two points may be noticed in which
vi GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
the dialectical method conveys the effect of irony. First,
it is remarked that science is a great leyeller, she cares
equally for small and great; hence the physician and the bath-
man are equally good examples of the purifier; the general
is a species of huntsman, so is the vermin-killer ; priest, pro-
phet, archon-basileus, are servants equally with the shopkeeper
and the household slave. Akin to this is the mode in which
the Sophist is thrust down by the process of divisions, and is
found in a low place amongst the class of imitators; just as
Pleasure in the Philebus, after aiming at the highest rank, has
assigned to her, by the same process, the fifth and lowest.
§ 4. Both dialogues are pervaded, or rather haunted, by
the idea of scientific method. Every inquiry, even that con-
cerning Government, is held to be important, chiefly as an
exercise by which the dialectical faculty may be improved.
The nature and function of this power are described in each
dialogue in language which forcibly recals the well-known
passages of the Phedrus and Philebus, and which even the
most doubtful critic must admit to have a Platonic flavour.
“To distinguish things according to their kinds, and neither
to account the same form to be another nor another to be the
same, is surely the work of dialectic. And the dialectician
is he who adequately perceives one idea pervading many
separate things, and many distinct ideas embraced by one,
and many such wholes pervaded and knit together in one
crowning form,—many also completely isolated and sundered.
And what is this but to know how to distinguish the respects
in which each kind admits or rejects communion with other
kinds?” (Soph. 253 d, e.)
“ But because they have not been accustomed to distinguish
the subject of an inquiry into its forms, they not only confound
things so widely different as the More and the Too-much, the
moment they see a similarity between them, but fall also into
the converse error of dividing things not according to their
parts ; whereas the right way 15, when one first perceives com-
munity in a multitude of things, not to desist till one have
seen all the differences contained within that common nature,
all, that is, which rest upon any logical distinction; and on
the other hand when dissimilarities are seen in a mass of
objects, the eye should be incapable of contentment or rest,
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. vil
until one have confined all that is kindred within the pale of
one resemblance, and fenced them round with the new crea-
tion of a single kind or category.” (Polit. 285 a—c.)
The notions of Sameness and Difference, and of the corre-
sponding arts of collection or combination, and division or
distinction (συναγωγή, διαίρεσις, συγκριτική, διακριτική), are pro-
minent in many places of these dialogues. The Elenchus is
described as purifying, that is, dividing the good from the
bad. The chief “ kinds” next to Being, are Same and Other.
Dialectic is the science of the communion and exclusion of
kinds, and language itself would be impossible without a
similar process of combination and distinction. And these
logical forms have also a practical bearing ; for the art of
the true statesman, like that of the weaver, consists in com-
bining elements which have been first separated and purified.
Thus it appears that the process of classification, involving
generalization and division (συναγωγή and διαίρεσις), is only a
particular application of a form of thought to which a meta-
physical and a practical as well as a logical importance is
attributed. But it has been felt that the_ “ dichotomous”
classifications of these dialogues are a caricature of method,
and are unlike anything which is to be found elsewhere in
Plato. “Are we to suppose,” it has been asked*, “that the
Dichotomous Method of the Sophistes Dialogue (I may add
of the Politicus, for the method is the same in this dialogue
also) is the method of division of a subject according to its
natural members, of which Plato speaks in the Phedrus?”
Is it the same, it may be further asked, which Plato has him-
self used in the Phedrus, Gorgias, Philebus, Republic, and
elsewhere ? The likeness is unmistakeable, (compare espe-
cially the close of the “ Sophist” with that of the Philebus and
of the sixth book of the Republic); but so also is the differ-
ence, consisting partly in the extent to which the method is
carried, and partly in the arbitrary and superficial character
of some of the divisions, when compared with the dialectical
analysis of madness in the Pheedrus, or with that of pleasure
in the Philebus. And although there is no reason to suppose
that the division of each kind into two parts only was a novelty
(for this is required in the Philebus), there appears a further
a By Dr. Whewell. Cambridge Phil. Soc. Tr. vol. ix. pt. 4. p. 594.
vill GENERAL INTRODUCTION,
refinement on this notion, when, in the Politicus (262 b), the
pupil is advised to divide each as nearly as possible in half.
It has been suggested, in order to explain this difference,
that the Theztetus and Sophista (with the Politicus) were
meant respectively to serve as examples of the two parts of the
Dialectic process; the Thestetus of συναγωγή, the Sophista
and Politicus of διαίρεσις. But although the Thestetus affords
many good specimens of Socratic induction, it is not less fertile
in the negative instances by which that induction was tested.
Generalization thus alternates with distinction or division”.
On the other hand, no more striking example of συναγωγή
could be given than the generalization of θηρευτική in the
Sophist, or the seven categories of industry in the Politicus.
And in the latter dialogue a separate discussion is devoted to
the subject of example, that is, the act of bringing resemblances
together (συνάγειν). The existence of such an intention, then,
can hardly be established, and the comparison of the Thesx-
tetus only throws the characteristic peculiarity of these dia-
logues into stronger relief.
We learn from a comic fragment® (quoted at length by
Dr.Thompson of Cambridge, in his paper on the genuineness of
the Sophista) that when Plato, Speusippus, and Menedemus were
together in the Academy, they and their scholars were ridi-
culed for their endless minute classification of natural objects ;
and Aristotle speaks more than once of “ written divisions”
(γεγραμμέναι διαιρέσεις), which, as they seem in some points to
have coincided with those advanced in these dialogues, may be
conjectured to have been extant in the school of Plato. It seems
not improbable that this new passion for classification as a me-
thod of science, which had a germ in Socrates and the Eleaties,
and ripened afterwards into the analytic of Aristotle, was in
full bloom at the Academy when these dialogues were written,
and that Plato, who entered into every phase of thought, but
Ξε τς
συναγωγῇ, διαίρεσις,
ἐπιστήμη = αἴσθησις" ἐπιστήμη οὐκ αἴσθησις"
ᾧ αἰσθανόμεθα -- ψυχή. δόξα ἀληθής, ψευδής"
ἀληθὴς μετὰ λόγου"
ἀληθής
κίνησις = ἀλλοίωσις, φορά.
ο Athen. II. 59; Com. Gr. Fr. VIII. p. 370, ed. Meineke.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. 1X
was entirely possessed by none, took up the method, as he
takes up that of etymologies in the Cratylus, “for the day.”
This may account for the unusual number of the divisions.
But how is the peculiar nature of many of them to be ex-
plained ?
a. First, the lesson is meant to be progressive. Thus the
external and superficial character of some distinctions is at once
accounted for by the often-repeated Platonic maxim, that the
elements of truth must be spelt out in easy syllables, before
the meaning of truth can be read. The most obvious data of
sense and experience are the primer of thought. The simplest
examples are chosen to illustrate principles of reason, not as
being adequate, but because they can be apprehended at once.
But there may be also traced in the method of these dia-
logues a progress of a deeper kind. The argument of the
Thestetus, though generally destructive, left two results:
first, that the mind gathers from the impressions of different
senses certain common perceptions; and secondly, that know-
ledge and right opinion imply distinction, 1. 6. definition by
the characteristic difference. This definition by difference, we
will suppose, was becoming recognised as an organ of know-
ledge, and the youth of Plato’s school were delighted with
their new exercise. We can imagine them, according to their
master’s description, rejoicing as if they had found a treasure of
inexhaustible wisdom, first rolling up the ball and then unrolling
and dividing, and never content till they had made everybody
else to share their wonder. The negative aspect of Socratic
inquiry, the controversial dialectic of Zeno, the Pythagorean
συστοιχίαι, had all contributed something to the intellectual
fashion now in vogue. In the “ Sophist” Plato chooses to con-
verse with this “old friend with a new face,” he will assay to
prove this weapon, which is obviously two-edged, and no less
available for controversy than for inquiry. He begins with an
example, which he executes in the most approved style, and
the method is found to be abundantly adequate to define the
fisherman. Then he tries several passes at the Sophist, but
does not transfix him, though the creature is soon driven into
a corner, and his enemy exults in an approaching triumph,
when suddenly the wily monster disarms him and turns against
him his own weapon. (Soph. 239 d.)
c
x GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
The exclusive divisions by which the game has been so
far pursued proceeded on the ground that Difference meant
logical exclusion; that, for instance, because making is dif-
ferent from acquiring, production and acquisition cannot be
attributes of the same art: and we have been surprised to see
the Sophist starting up on the left side of the cordon which
we had drawn, when we thought to have secured him on the
right. At last he seems to be convicted of pretence, that is
of appearing to be what he is not. He retorts that “ what-
is-not” has no Being, and can neither be defined nor criti-
cized: a position which is only met by reconsidering the whole
question of negation and difference, and also of Being, in a
discussion where the vaunted method of exclusions is laid aside.
It is at last found that ideas which are distinguished from each
other may still be mutually related. Whereon follows the
remark that mere “ oppositions of science” are not philosophy.
(Soph. 259.) The effect of this discovery may be traced in
the Politicus. Not only are the two elements of generalization
and distinction much more nearly balanced (it was always im-
possible for either of them to be entirely absent), but more
care is taken to define the relation between the members of
each division. The respondent is significantly warned that
every logical segment must be a natural part, and have a
form of its own, i. 6. that the distinction must have a rational
ground or principle; he is told that the external resemblances
and differences of objects are easily mastered, but that there
are qualities of another sort, which cannot be perceived with-
out a “vision and a faculty divine.” A mistake arising from
dividing without generalizing sufficiently is corrected; side by
side with the partition of science appears “the interrogation
of every nature, in order to learn what special contribution —
each has to offer from the store of experience to the treasury
of wisdom ;” and we are reminded that it is not enough to
define a subject by a single characteristic difference, for that
nothing is completely known, until all other species, at least
those of the same genus, have been also distinguished and
defined. (Pol. 262, 285 e, 275, 272 6, 281 6.)
Thus mere logical division by means of negatives is criticized
by Plato on nearly the same ground as by Aristotle, who ob-
jects that a negative term as such is not divisible. “ Aristotle,”
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. xi
says Mr. G. H. Lewes, “ has here pointed out the scientific
error of all classification founded on negatives, and his criti-
cism reaches even the familiar division founded by Lamarck
between vertebrata and invertebrata. The vertebrata form a
natural division, characterized by an obvious peculiarity, but
to lump together all other animals, no matter how manifestly
different, merely on the negative character of their having
no vertebral column, is, except as a provisional expedient,
eminently unphilosophic.” But Plato employs division by
exclusions precisely as a provisional expedient. His object
is not the classification of many things but the definition
of one*. He never attempts to divide a class which is only
known by a negative characteristic’. And he has himself
striven to remedy the defect in question; for he has observed
that things are not perfectly distinguished until the mutually
exclusive positive qualities of both are known.
8. Further, the end of this progressive lesson in dialectic is
not to exalt a formal method, but to quicken and regulate the
free action of the inquiring mind. Plato never conceived, as
some modern philosophers have done, that a new method
could possibly level intellects, or become a substitute for inven-
tion. He never imagines a form of thinking as separable
from thought. His dialectic is not a dead organon, but an
inspiration, a divine gift, which may be imperfectly described
im words, and by oral teaching may be awakened and stimu-
lated in the philosophic nature, but cannot be once for all
embodied in a book of aphorisms or a Chrestomathy. Dialectic
is the right application to the highest subjects of the twin
operations of distinction and combination, which are present as
elements in the simplest exercise of the reason: whether the
difference and resemblance noted be that of two fingers or of
two virtues, the process is essentially the same. But thought
is liable to perversion, and Plato is never weary of distinguish-
ing argument from controversy (διαλεκτικὴ from ἀντιλογικὴ or
ἃ This remark also supplies an an-
swer to the other objection of Ari-
stotle, that the species of a genus are
by this method sometimes unnaturally
separated (e. g. birds are divided be-
tween the land and water animals),
and to Mr. Grote’s observation that
Plato would have objected to class
the wolf with the dog.
© He always follows the ‘right
hand” section: κατὰ τοὐπὶ δεξιὰ ἀεὶ
μέρος τοῦ τμηθέντος. Soph. 264 6.
Cc 2
Xil GENEKAL INTRODUCTION.
ἐριστική). Perhaps controversy is too respectable a name for
that ape of the Klenchus, a barren hybrid between Zenonian
and Socratic method, which seems to have been a fayourite
pastime in the schools of Athens as well as Megara. The
faults which Plato assigns to the devotees of this “ illogical
logic” of disputation are chiefly the following. (1) They con-
fused verbal with real agreement and difference. (2) They
assumed that agreement and difference must mutually exclude
each other not only in idea but in fact’. (3) They argued
about first principles when consequences were in question, and
vice versa. (Pheed. 101 6.) (4) They generalized too hastily
both in the way of induction and deduction. (Phileb. 17.)
(5) They chose sensible in the place of ideal distinctions.
(6) They substituted abstract reasoning from a single isolated
notion for real inquiry into the nature of things. (7) They
preferred the exercise of logical ingenuity to the common
interests of mankind. (‘* Water, the cheapest of commodities,
is the best, says Pindar,” Euthyd, 304 b.) (8) From the
want of any true command of ideas, they distinguished in the
wrong place and failed to distinguish in the right. These
errors arose in great measure from making victory and not
truth the end of discussion, and the mental result of the pro-
cess was a vain-glorious scepticism. Such at least is Plato’s ver-
dict on the character and tendency of much of the intellectual
activity of his day. And he has occasionally, even in the
person of Socrates, given not unconscious illustration of this
Attic euphuism, just as our own master of thought and ex-
pression sometimes condescended ‘to speak most infallibly”
in the “ conceited” vein of his contemporaries.
Now it is a chief purpose of the present dialogues to coun-
teract this vice of the reason, by conveying wholesome ideas
about logical method. And one idea which they convey with
tolerable clearness, by example if not by precept, is that the
right course to be followed in an inquiry cannot be altogether
prescribed by rules, but is in great measure the direct result
of original thought and inventive power in the inquirer.
f Plato seizes upon this as the key- gested, in the infancy of logic, the
stone of their method, a principle bor- notion that positive and negative attri-
rowed from the Eleatics,who in saying, butes are absolutely incommunicable.
“* Being is,” “ Not-Being is not,” sug- & Cf. especially Pheedr. 269 e.
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Whether the method of divisions or some other shall be em-
ployed, what general form shall be selected for the primary
division, where to draw the line in each subdivision, when
to introduce example and comparison, when to exchange
logical for metaphysical reasoning, and when to seek the
aid of imagination; all such points are entirely left to the
prescient insight and selective judgment of the leader of the
discussion.
y. Another lesson not doubtfully taught in these pages is,
that the subtilty of nature is not exhausted by a single line
of classification. The several paths by which the Sophist is
approached, and the shorter and longer way to the definition
of the genus Homo in the Politicus (not to dwell now on the
ironical humour of this passage), shew that method has not yet
stiffened into system. The division of the arts of life not into
two but seven distinct “limbs,” warrants the same inference,
which is strengthened by the comparison of other dialogues
(see next section), and by the playful and satirical uses of
generalization and division noticed above. (§ 3.) In both dia-
logues the “divisions” at the opening and the close belong
rather to the framework than the substance of the thought,
and the real movement of the argument is almost wholly in-
dependent of this outward form; though certainly not inde-
pendent of the great laws of agreement and difference, of
which Plato’s συναγωγή and διαίρεσις are the expression.
Plato’s views on method, when thus stated, may appear
strangely simple, as the errors to which they are opposed
were gross; but the errors, however gross, were typical:
and his thoughts, however simple, may find many an instruc-
tive application in the later history of science. That all true
method is an extension of the natural operation of the mind,
and, instead of making inquiry an easy task for all men, is
inseparable from that last and highest acquisition and gift, the
philosophic spirit, are maxims of which the schoolmen and
Bacon were equally in need. The “ prudens questio” of the
latter (the “mental initiative” of Coleridge) is a notion which,
at the expense of consistency, redeems the misconception of a
levelling method by approaching to the Platonic point of view.
Nor is it fair to speak of the method which Plato approved as
merely subjective (G. H. Lewes), in the face of his protest
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against the arbitrary manipulation of logical forms. His
metaphysical ardour does not prevent him from blaming, but
rather constrains him to chastise those who in their frigid
ingenuity closed their eyes to the light of facts. THis faith in
dialectic was, in other words, a faith in an order of the Uni-
verse which could be discovered by the patient use of genuine
inquiry, and by this alone. Although verification, in the
modern sense, was almost entirely absent from his method,
and his idea of “nature” was of course different from that
which later discoveries have made familiar ; yet the importance
which he attaches to the duty of following the real lines and
veins of things as they are, of “hitting the joint” in carving
the body of truth, and, what amounts to the same thing, the
stress which he lays on the distinction between an accidental
and a natural part (μέρος and εἶδος, a mere:portion and ἃ
form), are indications of a general conception of the: task. of
philosophy, which is not to be confounded with the ‘German
notion of evolving thought from itself, or the Scotch method of
introspection in psychology. How facts are to be ascertained,
he has not determined ; but that the discoveries of the true phi-
losopher are matters of fact, and not mere notions of his own
mind, is an axiom without which much that he has written
would be unintelligible. But it is no less an axiom with him
that every true fact is also an idea, and were it not so would
be incognizable ; and that the only real concatenation of things
as they are, is that which dialectic gradually reveals to the
inquiring reason. Would Bacon have said otherwise, if “form”
were substituted for “idea,” and for ‘ dialectic” the “ interro-
gation of nature,” a phrase which occurs almost verbatim in
Plato’s Politicus? Or will any modern reasoner dispute the
assertion that the Laws of Nature are only discoverable by
the right exercise of Mind?
Plato’s contribution to the positive science of Method was
indeed most simple, but, at that juncture in the history of
philosophy, of extreme value. Not to anticipate further here,
what must be described at length in examining the “ Sophist,”
his position is briefly this, that to divorce analysis from syn-
thesis, negation from affirmation, variety from unity, distinc-
tion from mutual relation, is fatal to the mterests of inquiry.
h Compare Protag. 329 d.
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“Cupid comes forth from an egg whereon Night hath
brooded, i.e. Knowledge is obtained by exclusions and nega-
tives.” Yes, but Knowledge is affirmative, and the negations
are seen in the result, only like the dark spaces on a polarized
spectrum, caused, as natural philosophers tell us, by the mu-
tual interferences of waves of light.
A contrast and a parallel, both taken from within the limits
of the Platonic dialogues, may fitly conclude this section.
a. When the peculiar form of dialectical exercise which at
first sight appears to reign in the Sophist and Statesman, ‘is
compared with that of the more purely Socratic dialogues,
abstracting from the Pythagorean notion of bisection and the
Eleatic absoluteness of distinction, this mode of handling a
subject appears like an abridgment of Socratic procedure.
From long familiarity with the successive steps, the disciple is
ready for a more summary process, and a generalization and
distinction to which Socrates would have led the way through
a morning of ironical banter, is now disposed of by a few
rapid strokes. The argument from pleasure being the good
to science being virtue, which fills several pages of the Pro-
tagoras, would not have occupied ten lines of the Sophist.
And a further stage of this transition from conversational
profuseness towards scientific exactness and compression may
be observed in the latter of these two dialogues, where the
dichotomies, by which the art of weaving is defined, are enu-
merated in close succession in a single sentence; a doubly
condensed form of intellectual nutriment, which proves too
strong for the respondent to assimilate at once. (Pol. 279 e—
2,80 b.)
B. The parallel of the Philebus will be frequently suggested
as we proceed by many likenesses of style and structure. We
now confine ourselves to one point, which bears immediately
on the question of method. There is a passage near the
opening of that dialogue (p. 16) which distinguishes the right
from the wrong application of the eternal opposition and inter-
change of the One and the Many to the analysis and synthesis
of ideas. It is interesting to examine hew far the directions
there given correspond to the procedure here employed.
“In every enquiry we should set before us one idea, which
we shall find, if we look for it, in the subject of our investiga-
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tion.” So in each of these inquiries the idea of Knowledge, or
of a person who knows, is immediately recognised and selected
for analysis. ‘And in this one idea we must look for two, if
we can find two, or if not two, then the smallest number pos-
sible.” This rule is also strictly followed, which is the more
noticeable, because no such principle is laid down in the Pha-
drus. In the case of the seven “summa genera” of civil life
(Polit. 287 ¢), we are expressly told that it is impossible to
divide them into two parts; and it would be obviously difficult
to reduce the number, except by an abscissio infiniti, which
would be out of place, because some of the kinds which are
in direct competition with the kingly art would then be left
undefined. ‘ We must then proceed to subdivide these units,
until we see, not only that the one idea is both one and many,
but also how many are its real subdivisions.” In the Sophist
and Politicus, as well as in the Pheedrus, the notion of the
ἄτμητον εἶδος, or species infima, has an important place (ef.
Soph. 289 d), and the danger of passing at once from the
highest generality to the lowest specialty is exemplified (e. g.
Polit. 263).
“In like manner, when one is compelled to start from the
indefinite (in cases where there is not immediately apparent a
single comprehensive idea), he ought not all at once to spring
from infinity to unity, but should find a number in the undis-
tinguished mass, and so proceed from number to number
until he reaches unity.” (Phil. 18 b.) It is more dificult to
prove that this precept is exactly obeyed. But the cautious
spirit thus enjomed may be illustrated from several instances
of gradual generalization, as where the speakers ery a halt
to count up the number of forms in which the Sophist has
appeared, previous to one of these being selected as the most
universally applicable (Soph. 231 d); or where from the
narrower generalization, “nurture of men,” they pass on to
the wider conception of “care or superintendence of men”
(Polit. 275); or where from the comparison of the king and
the weaver (implying a provisional generalization) is evolved
the more general notion of an art of combination (συγκριτική)
(Ib. 282 b).
§ 5. The forms of Sameness and Difference appear in the
Sophist amongst the five kinds or forms which are selected
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for examination as being the “ greatest,” or the most universal.
“ Being,” the highest of all, was found to embrace the oppo-
site principles of “ motion,” the essence of the materialist, and
“rest,” that of the idealist philosopher. On comparing these
three “‘ kinds,” each is seen to have sameness and difference,—
to be the same with itself, different from the other two. And
these predicates of sameness and difference are found to be
no less universally applicable than the form of Being. Thus
Being, Sameness, and Difference, to use Aristotelian language,
are universal predicaments, or categories. Everything, of
which we can speak, exists, is the same in one relation, different
in others, and is either at rest or in motion or both in different
ways. “ Number” is incidentally mentioned in the same dia-
logue (238 b) as being also an inseparable attribute of every
possible term.
Again, in the latter part of the Politicus, there is an enume-
ration of seven kinds, as an ultimate division of the industries
which are the helpers of the ruling power in a state. These
are — raw-material, instruments, reservoirs, vehicles, cover-
ings, amusements, food. To these swmma genera of human
labour is added the work of servants of every sort. And it
is not obscurely implied, that with the addition of the royal
science as a moving and regulating cause, this enumeration
affords an exhaustive analysis of human activity. Thus in both
dialogues there is seen a tendency to select certain natures or
ideas as being the highest and most comprehensive, either of
all ideas, or of the ideas belonging to a particular subject.
If we except the Timzeus, where something similar is observ-
able in the constitution of the Psychical Substance (p. 35) and
in the five elements, which however are not viewed as by any
means ultimate’, the only other dialogue where there is a
similar enumeration of categories is the Philebus, where Being
is analyzed into Limit, the Unlimited, their union, and the
cause of this; and the end of Being, or the good, is embraced
in five kinds, Measure, Symmetry, Reality, Mind, and Pleasure.
An approach, however, to a similar notion may be traced in
two places of the Theetetus: first, where the ideas selected
as the undoubted objects of pure mind are Being, Not-Being,
i Tim. 48 Ὁ: οὐδ᾽ ἐν συλλαβῆς εἴδεσι μόνον. A remarkable anticipation of
modern chemistry.
d
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Sameness and Difference, Likeness and Unlikeness, and Num-
> of the mind, while
most of the “birds” or knowledges are collected in larger or
smaller groups, a few are seen careering through every part.
(Thezt. 197 6.)
This peculiarity of these three dialogues, Philebus, Sophista,
Politicus, affords a point of comparison or rather of approxi-
mation between Plato and Aristotle. The only previous
attempt at ultimate classification had been the συσστοιχίαι of
the Pythagoreans, and in the greater number of Plato’s dia-
logues, even where ideas (or forms) are mentioned, there 15 no
selection of a certain number as supreme and as embracing all
others, except partially in the case of moral ideas. Even
when the form of good is described in the Republic as surpass-
ing in glory and dignity the idea of Being, this saying has
rather a cosmological and ethical than a logical or metaphy-
sical meaning. But here not only is the word γένος for the
first time* employed in the technical sense, but each of the
terms so described is viewed as a universal, containing a
variety of species, and obtained by a process of induction
(συναγωγή. See Phileb. p. 25); and each enumeration is, for
the time being, and in relation to the particular question raised,
regarded as ultimate. This is therefore a nearer approach to
a doctrine of categories than the casual reference to quantity
(Soph. 245 d, Phileb. 24 ὁ), quality (Rep. 4, 438 Ὁ, Theszet.
182 b), relation (Soph. 255 ¢, Phil. 51 c), action and passion
(Thezet. and Soph.), in scattered passages.
But the categories of Plato are not connected with the theory
of Predication, towards which, as appears even from Soph.
261 ο, Plato had made but little progress. Even those of the
“‘ Sophist” are rather ontological than logical, and are more
nearly analogous to the “four causes” of the Metaphysics:
denoting, to use a convenient distinction of Plotinus, rather
the elements than the kinds of Bemg. And he is less bound
than Aristotle to his own forms of thought. The enumeration
is In no two places the same. In the highest region of dia-
lectic Plato still asserts the freedom of Mind. He “stands
ber); and again, where in the “ aviary’
i Theet. 185 ἃ. Compare Parmenides, p. 129 e, where Rest and Motion are
added to these.
k The only exception is in Phedrus, 271 b.
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behind” the forms which he has invented to express what
cannot be fully expressed, the electric play of thought. Col-
lection and distinction, union and division, finite and infinite,
same and other, one and many, Being and Not-Being, are
various names for the two poles on whose attraction and repul-
sion depend the “ high-strung harmonies” of the ideal world.
§ 6. Not less peculiar than the method of these dialogues
is their structure, style, and diction, which, however, receive
considerable illustration from the Philebus, Timeeus, and Laws.
To take first what is most obvious, Socrates is no longer the
chief speaker. A stranger from Elea, with whom Theodorus,
Thextetus, and the younger Socrates have been conversing,
_accompanies them to the place of meeting, where they are
expected by Socrates; who, with his accustomed pertinacious
politeness, brings on a conversation, but with the exception of
a few words when there is a change of subject, is silent for
the remainder of the morning. In this respect this pair of
dialogues is like the Parmenides, Timeeus, and Critias, and
resembles the two last named also in another equally external
point, namely, that each pair form the middle part of an
unfinished tetralogy. Plato has only twice thus connected
dialogues in a series. The Theetetus, Sophist, Statesman,
and Philosopher, are in this the counterpart of the Republic,
Timeeus, Critias, and Hermocrates.
The retirement of Socrates, however, though in keeping
with, will not account for, the other peculiarities of which we
are now to speak. For the few words assigned to him at the
beginning partake of the general change of tone. Nor can this
be ascribed to the subject; for the subjects of either dialogue,
though related to each other, are wholly distinct.
Every reader of Plato must have felt a difference in passing
from the Republic or Pheedrus to the Sophist and Politicus;
or, may it not be added? to the Philebus or the Laws. He is
like one who, after walking with a gifted friend in town and
country, and hearing him converse with all men, sits down to
listen to a lecture from the same person. There is an air of
self-imposed restraint, at the first glance distinguishable from
the absolute conversational freedom of the Gorgias, a didactic
tone, unlike the Socratic dissimulation of knowledge, a vein
of refined and biting satire, which may be contrasted as well
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xx GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
as compared with the naive and playful humour of the Pheedrus
or Charmides. As the student proceeds, he is struck by the
more elaborate, though not more regular conformation of the
periods, by the more frequent, almost monotonous recurrence
of a certain rhythmical cadence, which he may have noticed
here and there in the Pheedrus, Republic, and Thezetetus', by
the precision of manner into which the Socratic urbanity has
been transformed. And if he examines more minutely into
the diction, he will find that the natural order is more often
inverted than in the dialogues with which he is familiar, and
that a greater fondness is shewn for unusual words, both
poetical and technical, than in any dialogue except the Phe-
drus, Republic, Timeus, and Laws. In some respects the
language approaches to that of tragedy, in others to the
formality of an Aristotelian treatise.
(1) To dwell a little more at length on some of these points:
and first, on the more didactic and systematic manner of the con-
versation. Nothing can exceed the courtesy and modesty both
of Socrates and the Stranger in the opening scene, but when
the Eleatic guest and his respondent have once crossed blades,
he deals with him, not without pleasantry, but with a becoming
degree of gravity, and secundum artem. There are no sallies,
like those of Glaucon in the Republic, no sudden bursts of
eloquence, as in the Pheedrus. With a tone of mild authority
the philosopher, for the edification of the bystanders, guides
his pupil by a path familiar to himself to conclusions which
he foreknows. He acknowledges from the first that he is
thoroughly conversant with the whole subject (διακηκοέναι γέ
φησιν ἱκανῶς καὶ οὐκ ἀμνημονεῖν), and warns his new acquaint-
ances that the argument will be a long one.
The peculiarity in question is obviously shared by the Par-
menides ; less obviously, though still perceptibly, by the
Theetetus. It is also observable in the Philebus, Timzeus,
and Laws.
The Philebus has certainly more of the well-known playful-
ness and familiarity of Socratic talk, more light and shade,
and, in parts, more dramatic liveliness. The fine contrast,
for example, between the eager Protarchus and the petulant
1 See also the myth in the Protagoras.
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Philebus is unlike the almost featureless masks of the facile
respondents in these dialogues. But such lighter elements are
controlled by a certain degree of formality, and by the con-
sciousness of method. The speakers are playing at a “ labo-
rious game ™,” to which they are evidently not unaccustomed,
and which proceeds according to certain rules. We are not in
the market-place, or the house of Callias, but in the groves of
Academe. And though the “boys” are not quite so tractable
as Thezetetus, Socrates guides them by a regularly intricate
road to a definite end, which has a positive as well as a nega-
tive import. The structure of the Philebus is in many ways
nearer to the Sophist than that of either is to any other
writing. As the ideal pretender is chased through the one
dialogue, so the idea of pleasure, more or less personified, is
hunted down in the other. The difficulties which arise in both
are solved by means of a harmony of ideas (called in the Phi-
lebus κόσμος τις ἀσώματος, a “ bodiless creation”). In both, the
transitions (μεταβάσεις) of the argument are only surpassed in
dialectical subtilty by the Theztetus. Both account for false-
hood by a similar analysis of mental states; both examine
contemporary philosophers as diviners of that which they do
not clearly know. In both, higher subjects are discussed than
that proposed at the outset, which is accordingly thrust down,
in both by a similar method of divisions, to the lowest place in
the scale of knowledge or of being. In some of these respects
the Politicus also presents some analogy to the Philebus; and
. they resemble each other in the importance which they both
attach to the philosophy of Measure. On the whole, the style
of the Philebus may be described as intermediate between that
of the Republic and that of the Sophist. That of the Sophist
and Politicus, again, is intermediate between the Philebus and
the Timzeus and Laws. In these the gravity of tone already
noticed is deepened into solemnity, and becomes the pervading
characteristic. The keen though suppressed irony of the So-
phist and Politicus, directed not towards the respondent, but
against mankind, is here softened (like wine becoming first
austere, then mellow), and either disappears, or is replaced by
grave and gentle reflections on human nothingness. The
τὰ Parm. 137 Ὁ: πραγματειώδη παιδιὰν παίζειν:
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bitterness of a mind which had many thoughts which could
not be realized, now takes the sober colouring of an eye
“That hath kept watch o’er man’s mortality ;”
and the didactic manner of the chief speaker is more decided.
There is the most perfect modesty, but no dissimulation of
knowledge. The leader of the conversation speaks with an
authority to which the rest defer. The results, though still
only approximate, are in the highest degree positive, and the
method is throughout constructive. The thoughts of a life-
time had assumed something like a permanent shape: and
they were the writer’s own. ‘They were still living thoughts,
and could give a reason of themselves; but they no longer
needed the art of Socrates to bring them ‘into being. Cicero
was substantially if not literally right in assuming the Athenian
Stranger in the Laws to be Plato himself.
(2) The loss of conversational freedom and _ liveliness is
accompanied by a corresponding decline of poetical grace and
power. The fire of enthusiasm is not extinct by any means,
but is concentrated on a few great objects (Dialectic, Being,
the Philosopher, the creation and preservation of the universe
by God), and is less ready to light up with a spontaneous glow
every new world of imagination. The language is less instinet
with harmonious energy. ‘The fondness for poetic words is of
the kind which belongs rather to a learned rhetoric than to
poetry. The genius loci, so powerful in the Phzedrus, is here
forgotten. The Eleatic Stranger is hke the Sophist he de-
scribes, whose “ sense is shut” to everything but the dry hight
of reason. Speaking in a palzestra, he alludes in the most
distant and general way, when the topic is suggested by his
argument, to “ certain exercises in which men are trained in
groups at Athens and elsewhere.” (Polit. 294d.) Speaking at
the time when Athens was ringing with the trial of Socrates,
he never once alludes to a matter so sublunary. Indeed he
expressly disowns any intention of giving pleasure, and lays
down the principle that the standard by which the propor-
tions of an argument are to be judged is not that of artistic
symmetry. (Ib. 286 d.) Such was not the spirit of the pre-
cept that “an argument must be like the picture of a lying
ereature, having head and feet and every member drawn in
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seemly proportion to each other and the whole.’ (Phedr.
“64. 0.) It has been remarked that the allusions to previous
writings, such as the Republic, which occur in the Laws, are
unlike the manner of the earlier dialogues, where every
touch is in perfect dramatic keeping. Now, not to mention
the manifest allusion to the Parmenides in Soph. 217 ὁ (more
pointed than in Theet. 183 6), the direct reference to the
argument of the “ Sophist” im Polit. 284 Ὁ (καθάπερ ἐν τῷ
σοφιστῇ προσηναγκάσαμεν εἶναι τὸ μὴ Ov), though not violating
propriety, because the company is unchanged, has more of a
literary than a dramatic turn, and is more in the manner of
a treatise than of a dialogue. And this is still more obviously
the case in Soph. 253 c, where the Stranger quotes the lan-
guage of a conversation at which he had not been present.
(Theeet. 172 ἃ.)
(3) Yet although there is less of spontaneous movement and
artistic lightness of structure than in some other dialogues, there
is more appearance of studied order and arrangement. Thus
a reason is given for the introduction of the example of the
fisherman in the Sophist, and the example of the weaver in
the Politicus occasions an explanation of the use and meaning
of example as an instrument of thought. And in making the
transition from the dichotomies to the myth in the same
dialogue, the Stranger gives due notice of the change, and
anticipates the course to be taken when they return from this
digression. The “ preludes” and “ recapitulations” of which
the Phedrus speaks so disdainfully are now recommended
with some emphasis by Plato. This avowedly conscious and
studied arrangement of the parts of a discourse is still more
noticeable in the early books of the Laws, where, to explain
the tediousness of the preliminary discussion, the speaker says
(1, 638 e) that he is endeavouring to make apparent the right
method to be pursued in all such arguments. He is in fact,
like the Stranger in the Politicus, giving an Example of
Example. Such carefulness about the form of a writing, at a
time when the form was really becoming less perfect, and also
the composition of great works, and the connexion of succes-
sive pieces in a series, may be thought to indicate a different
sense of the value of books from that expressed in a well-
known passage of the Phedrus. And this suspicion is con-
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firmed by a striking expression in the Laws, where the chief
speaker, reviewing the conversation which they had held since
dawn, maintains that no better education could be devised for
youth, than to learn by heart this new kind of poetry, which
he and his companions haye poured forth, “ not unaccompanied
with airs from Heaven.” (Lege. 7, 811 6.)
§ 7. (Δύναιτο δ᾽ ἄν τις, εἰ βούλοιτο, καὶ Tas ὑπὸ τοῦ Πλάτωνος
ὀνομασθείσας τέχνας ταύτας ἐπαριθμεῖν, καὶ τὰ σὺν αὐταῖς ὀνόματα,
εἴτε σπουδάζων ἐχρῆτο τοῖς ὀνόμασιν εἴτέ καὶ μή. λέγω δέ, διὰ τὸ
ἐν ἐνίοις τῶν ὀνομάτων βιαιότερον χρῆσθαι. Pollux, Onomasticon,
VIN. 55; 7.296) 7.)
More palpable, though not more real, than these general
nuances of style, are certain peculiarities of diction. Of these
perhaps the most obvious to a cursory reader is the use of
technical expressions. Mr, Cope has well observed, in the
Preface to his translation of the Gorgias, that one of the
most striking peculiarities of Plato’s philosophical writings is
the almost entire absence of any scientific terminology. He
adds, that ‘with the exception of one or two peculiar terms,
such as εἶδος or ἰδέα and διαλεκτική, and the special appro-
priation of διάνοια and θυμοειδές in the Republic, and possibly
one or two others, Plato’s philosophy is absolutely devoid of
any technical phraseology.”
This remark applies with perfect truth to the Gorgias, Pro-
tagoras, Pheedo, and most other dialogues. The technicalities
which occur in the Pheedrus (except διαλεκτικός, συναγωγή;
διαίρεσις) are quoted with contempt. But the Theeetetus
already bears the marks of an opposite tendency, which
becomes more decided in the Philebus, Sophist, and Politicus.
Each theory advanced in the Thezetetus is characterized by
an incipient terminology, which, like the theories themselves,
is not entirely set aside. Thus to express the doctrine of
Sense we have κίνησις, ποιοῦν, πάσχον, αἴσθησις, αἰσθητόν, φορά,
ποῖ᾽ ἄττα, αἰσθανόμενα, αἰσθητής, κριτήριον, τὸ αἰσθανόμενον, ποι-
drys, each having a definite meaning required by the theory ;
and two of them, αἰσθητὴς and ποιότης, being evidently new-
fangled words. Other terms of the same kind which are pro-
duced in the later phases of the discussion are ἐκμαγεῖον, μνη-
μεῖον, ἐπιστήμην ἔχειν, κεκτῆσθαι, ἐπιστητά, στοιχεῖον, συλλαβή,
διαφορότης. ‘There are words of a more general character,
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GENERAL INTRODUCTION. ΧΧΥ
such as ἀναλαβεῖν, ‘to resume,’ διορίζεσθαι, ‘to distinguish,’
which receive a preciseness of meaning from familiar use which
they could not have had in ordinary speaking or writing. It
is true that even Plato’s technicalities are fresh from the mint ;
they retain the gloss of novelty, and the hues of life. But no
student of these dialogues can doubt that there was floating
before him the conception of a scientific language, based on
dialectic, which should express more perfectly than they were
known to the first name-giver the true sections and combina-
tions of things. The Heracliteans were indeed ridiculed in the
Thezetetus (183 b), because their theory confounded the ordi-
nary use of speech: but even this ridicule shews that the
notion of a philosophic vocabulary was already there. (Cf.
ib. 166 b.) And in defence of one of the strangest of his
coinages (δοξομιμητικὴ), towards the conclusion of the Sophist,
the Stranger gravely says that for want of the power of
dividing “kinds” into their “forms” the vocabulary of the
ancients was most defective. (Compare Cratylus, 436-439.)
Yet he is careful to vary his new-made words, so as to avoid
the hearer’s being enslaved to them, and commends the youth
with whom he converses for not setting too high a value on
the choice of a name. (Καλῶς ye, ὦ Σώκρατες, κἂν διαφυλάξῃς
TO μὴ σπουδάζειν ἐπὶ τοῖς ὀνόμασι, πλουσιώτερος εἰς TO γῆρας
ἀναφανήσει φρονήσεως. Polit. 261 e.) Thus it is evident that
the mvention of new terms was intended to enrich language,
and not to limit thought.
Of the words in these dialogues which are either new or
receive a distinctly new significance, there are many which
Plato does not use again; but there are others which are
found to recur, especially in the Laws. The following are not
used again by Plato :— τ
Soph.—* ἀγόρασις, ἀδιανόητος, * ἁμιλλητικός, * ἀνδραποδιστι-
κός, + ἀνθρωπικός, * ἀνθρωποθηρία, Τ ἀπατητικός (Xen.), * ἀσπα-
λιευτικός, ὃ αὐτοπωλικός, αὐτουργικός (M.Anton.), * βαλανευτικός,
* δημολογικός, * δοξομιμητής, * δοξομιμητικός, Ἔ δοξοπαιδευτικός,
δωρητικός (Philo.), δωροφορικός (Ael.), * εἰδωλοποιϊκός, * εἰδωλο--
ποιός, * εἰδωλουργικός, * ἐναντιοποιολογικός, Ἷ ἐπιδεικτικός, * ἑρκο-
θηρικός, * CwoOnpia, * ζωοθηρικός, ᾿ἡδυντικός, ᾿ἡμεροθηρικός, ἔθαυ-
* ἅπαξ λεγόμενα. + Used by Aristotle. The places out of Plato where
the rest occur are chiefly in later Greek.
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ΧΧΥΪ GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
μα(σϑγτοποιϊκός, * ἰδιοθηρευτικός, * ἰδιοθηρία, tioropixds, + κολαστι-
κός, {κτητικός, * μαθηματοπωλικός, + μεταβλητικός, Ἷ νευστικός,
* νομισματοπωλικός, οἰκειωτικός, οἰκετικός, Ἐὀρθολογία, * πεζοθηρία,
Ἔ πεζοθηρικός, πιθανουργικός, | πληκτικός, * προσομιλητικός, * πυρ-
εὐτική, πωλητικός, * σπογγιστικός, ft συνεχεία, τριοδοντία, φαν-
ταστικός, * φθειριστικός, * χειρωτικός, * χρηματοφθορικός, * ψευ-
δουργός, * ψυχεμπορικός.
Polit.—* ἀγελαιοκομικός, * ἀγελαιοτροφία, * ἀγελαιοτροφικός,
ἡ ἀκέραστος, ft ἀκέρατος, ft ἀκέρως, ἀκεστική, * ἀνθρωπονομικός,
ἡ ἀρχιτεκτονικός, ἄστροφος (=without a twist), Τ ἄτρητος, ὃ αὐτεπι-
τακτής, * αὐτεπιτακτικός, γνωστικός, * γομφωτικός, * δερματουργι-
KOs, διακωλυτικός, * ἐπιθηματουργία, T ἐπιμελητικός (Xen.), ἐπι-
στατικός, ἐπιτακτικός, ft ἐργαστικός, * εὐθυπλοκία, * ζωογενής,
ζωοτροφία, ζωοτροφικός (Clem. Alex.), Γθρεπτικός, ἰδιογενής, * ἰδιο-
γονία, ἰδιότης, δ ἰδιοτρόφος (Ar. uses ἰδιότροφος), * ἱματιουργικός,
Χ ἱπποφορβία, 1 ἵπποφορβός, κελευστικός (Plut.), * κερκιστικός, κη-
ρυκικός (Clem. Alex.), * κοινογενής, * κοινογονία, * κοινοτροφικός,
T κριτικός, * κροκονητικός, ὃ μαγευτικός, * μονοτροφία, * νηστικός,
νομευτικός, νυμφευτής (=one who unites in marriages), * favTi-
κός, Τ ξηροβατικός, * ξηροτροφικός, ὃ πεζονομικός, περίβλημα; περι-
κάλυμμα, { πιλητικός, + πλυντικός, * προβληματουργικός, πρωτο-
γενής, * πτεροφυής, ῥυθμικός (Plut.), σιτουργός, στεκτικός, στημο-
νονητικός, * στημονοφυής, * στρεπτικός, συγκριτικός, συμπλεκτικός;
συνθετικός, * συνύφανσις, συστροφή (abstract), ταλασιουργικός,
τιθασεία, + τρῆσις, τρητός, τρίχινος, * ὑγροτροφικός, * φλοιστικός,
φράγμα, χαλκοτυπική.
Soph. Polit.—* ἀμφισβητητικός, αὐτοπωλής, * γ(κ)ναφευτικός.
The following are found in other dialogues :—
* ἀγκιστρευτικὸς (Soph., * ἀγκιστρεία Lege.), ἀγράμματος (Po-
lit. Tim. Critias), ἀγωνιστική (Soph. Legg.), ἀμυντήριος (Polit.
Legg.), βιαστικός (Soph. Legg.), διαλυτικός (Polit. Tim.), δοξο-
copia (Soph. Phil.), εἰκαστική (Soph. Lege.), εἰρωνικός (Soph.
Legg.), * ἐνυγροθηρικός (Soph., * ἐνυγροθηρευτής Legg.), ἡ ἔνυ-
dpos (Soph. Polit. Tim. Legg.), + καθαρτικός (Soph. Tim.), * vov-
θετητικός (Soph. Legg.), ὀρνιθευτικός (Soph., ὀρνιθευτής Lege.),
παίγνιον (Polit. Lege.), πλεκτικός (Polit. Legg.), σκέπασμα (Po-
lit. Lege.), στασιαστικός (Polit., στασιωτεία Lege.), στέγασμα
(Polit. Tim. Critias), + σύγκρισις (Soph. Phil. Tim. Legeg.), φαρ-
μακοποσία (Soph. Legg.).
Besides this class of words, whose use is thus shewn to be
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. XXVil
not wholly confined to the two dialogues, there may be ob-
served in them two other kinds of a language approaching
technical, which are nearly related to each other: terms ex-
pressing the operations of dialectic, and words connected with
the mathematical and physical sciences.
a. Of the former sort are Soph.—dvrideors, ἀντίκειμαι, ἀπο-
τελεύτησις, * ἀσύννους, διπλόη, ἐναντιολογία, μακρόλογος, προμε-
λετῶ, f φάσις. Polit.—BeBaiwors, διαζητῶ, 1 διονομάζω, διχάζω,
Ἷ διχοτομῶ, ἐκτροπή (τοῦ λόγου), ἐνάργεια (met. from painting),
λεπτουργῶ, * μεσοτομῶ, ὀνομασία, παχέως, | προσαποφαίνω, συ-
νάμφω. Soph. Polit.—ouvréurw (=assist in dividing). And,
recurring elsewhere in Plato,—dzopepi¢w (Polit. Legg.), ἀπο-
σχίζω (Polit. Lege.), +doxioTos (Soph. Tim.), ἄτομος (Soph.,
ef. ἄτμητος Pheedr.), γένος (as a metaphysical term, Parm,
Soph. Polit. Phil. Tim. Legg., and once in Pheedr.), Ἔγνώ-
plots (Polit. Lege.), δεσμός (a bond uniting ideas, Soph.
Polit. Phil. Parm. Tim. Legg.), διάγνωσις (Soph. Lege.), δια-
λογίζομαι (Soph. Phil. Tim.), διαμερίζω (Polit. Phil. Legg.),
Ἔδιανόησις (Polit. Tim. Lege.), * διαπορῶ (to raise a difficulty,
Soph. Tim. Legg.), διακριβολογοῦμαι (Soph. Tim.), διαχωρίζω
(Polit. Phil. Tim.), f8copiopds (Polit. Tim.), ἐκκρίνω (Polit.
Legg.), ἐπινέμω (Polit. Legg.), ft μέθεξις (Soph. Parm.), μερίζω
(Soph. Polit. Parm. Tim.), μερίς (Soph. Legg.), παρωνύμιον
(Soph. Legg.), προομολογοῦμαι (Soph. Tim.), προσκοινωνῶ
(Soph. Lege.), συγκεφαλαιοῦμαι (Soph. Phil.), ¢ σύνολος (Soph.
Polit. Lege.), * συνομολογία (Soph. Lege.), σχίζω (Soph. Polit.
Phil. Tim.), τομή (metaphorical, Soph. Polit. Tim. Legg.).
β. Words expressing physical and mathematical conceptions :
Soph.—parrw, διακινῷ (3 226 Ὁ), πόρκος, FmAacrds. Polit.—
* ἀφαιρετός, γνάψις, εὐήτριος, ἕψησις, κολλητός, * KpoKwdns, ὕμε-
ταλλεύω, νέω, νήθω, νῆμα, * ξαντής, πλέξις, σπάρτον, * συγκερ-
κίζω. Recurring—dperpos (Soph. Phil. Tim. Legg.), ἀνακύ-
κλησις (Polit. ἀνακυκλοῦμαι Tim.), ἀνατολή (Polit. Lege.),
ἀνειλίττω (Phileb., ἀνείλιξις Polit.), ἀπλανής (Polit. Tim. Legg.),
ἄφεσις (Polit. Legg.), βρόχος (Soph. Critias), + γένεσις (of
production in general, Soph. Polit. Phil. Tim. Legg.), γυμνα-
στής (Polit. Lege., παιδοτριβὴς is the usual word in Plato),
Ἶ διάθεσις (Soph. Phil. Tim. Legg.), διαθραύω (Soph. Tim.),
διάκρισις (Soph. Phil. Tim. Legg.), Τ διηθεῖν (Soph. Tim.),
* δρυοτομική (Polit., *dpvoroula Legg.), ἐπισκευάζομαι (Polit.
e 2
ΧΧΥΠῚ GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
Legg.), ἐπισπεύδω (Polit. Legg.), εὔκυκλος (Soph., quotation
from Parm., Tim.), ἰσοπαλὲς (Soph. quotation from Parm.,
Tim.), κατακόσμησις (Polit. Tim.), καταθραύω (Polit. Tim.),
Ἔ κύκλησις (Polit. Tim.), κύρτος (Soph. Tim. Legg.), ξαίνω
(Soph. Polit. Legg.), μέτρησις (Polit. Legg.), μετρητὸς (Polit.
Legg.), παράλλαξις (Polit. Tim.), παράφορος (Soph. Legg.,
παραφορότης Tim.), πῆξις (Polit. Phil.), πλάτος (the dimension
of breadth, Soph. Polit. Critias, Legg.), πλέγμα (Soph. Polit.
Tim. Legg.), προβολὴ (Polit. Tim. Legg.), * ῥαφή (Polit. Tim.),
σύγκρασις (Polit. Phil.), σύγκρισις (Soph. Phil. Tim, Lege.),
σύμμιξις (Soph. Polit. Phil. Tim. Legg.), συμπιλῷ (Polit.
Tim.), * συμποδηγοῦμαι (Polit., ποδηγεῖν Legg.), συμφυής (Soph.
Tim. Legg.), συνυφαίνω (Polit. Tim.), σῶμα, “body in gene-
νὰ], Ξε τὸ σωματοειδές (Soph. Phil. Tim. Legg. 896), τηκτός
(Soph. Critias), τροπή, as an astronomical term (Polit. Tim.
Legg.), ὕλην (Polit. Phil. Tim. Critias, Legg.), ὑπεροχὴ (Polit.
Legg.), ὑφή (Polit. Legg.).
γι As the terms just enumerated betray Plato’s love for
those physical pursuits which were rejected by Socrates, so
the new word ἀθεότης, which occurs only in the Politicus and
Laws in all Greek literature before the death of Plato (unless
we must add the seventh Platonic Epistle), affords an indi-
cation of his tendency to religious thought. And it is a fact
worth noticing in this connexion that the word ἅγιος is con-
fined to the Sophist, Critias, and Laws, amongst the Platonic
writings, and οἱ κρείττονες as a euphemism for of θεοί to Soph.
2.16 Ὁ, Epist. 7, 326 e.
Perhaps the notion of technical language (voces artis) may
be thought to be unduly stretched in being extended to some
of the words under the last two headings. But in whatever
way they are described they are equally suitable to be adduced
in the present section, whose object is to define and illus-
trate peculiarities of diction. There remain to be noticed
words borrowed from the poets, and especially from the trage-
dians: respecting which it may be observed that the affecta-
tion of unusual phrases, which appears in the Pheedrus as the
result of a half playful dithyrambic and epic fervour, at which
® The introduction of this word is πρωτογενὲς εἶδος in the Politicus is
interesting in connexion with Ari- one of the few anticipations in
stotle’s Material Cause, of which the Plato.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. XXIX
Socrates himself wonders, is here interwoven with graye and
unimpassioned talk, giving a tone of sustained dignity to the
style. ΤῸ this class (6) belong :—
Soph. — ἀντίσταθμος, ἄξενος, ampatia, ἀρχαιοπρεπής, ἄφθεγ-
κτος, δυσειδής, εἶα δή, εἰσύστερον, Τκαθιδρύω, μαλθακῶς, νεῖκος
(quoted from Emped.), ὀλισθηρός, ῥυμή, ὑψόθεν.
Polit.—dAefnrijpios (Xen.), ἅλις (Xen.), ἀπαγριῶ (Theophr.),
ἀπολέμως ἔχειν, ἄπτην, ὅ ἀργυραμοιβός (cf. χρυσαμοιβός), Bon-
λάτης, βουφορβός, γενειῶ, δίωγμα, ἐξανθῶ, εὔγνωστος, εὔκριτος,
ἔφεδρος, θίασος, κάταγμα, κερασφόρος, μελαίνεσθαι, νομεύω,
ὅπλισμα, παρεία, περιωπή, πολυπλανής, προσφθέγγομαι, συντρέχω.
Under this head also might have been classed ἄστροφος and
νυμφευτής.
Soph. Polit.—dzepnpdo.
᾿Αγήρως (Pol. Phil. Tim. Legg.), ἀθῷος (Soph. Legg.), ἀντά-
fos (Polit. Lege., in the former with tacit reference to the
line of Homer which is quoted in Symp. 214 Ὁ), ἄπλετος
(Soph. Legg.), yerovd (Polit. Legg.), δεσποτίς (Polit. Tim.
Lege.), διαλαγχάνω (Polit. Critias), διαπεράω (Soph. Tim.),
ἐπεύχομαι (Soph. Critia. Legg.), εὐώνυμος ( = of auspicious
name (Pind.), (Polit. Legg.), ἡσυχαῖος (Polit. Legg.), κρηπίς
(Polit. Legg.), κρυφαῖος (Soph. Tim.), ὃ μέχριπερ (Soph. Polit.
Phileb.), ξένιος (Ζεύς) (Soph. Legg.), ὅπῃπερ (Soph. Tim.
Leges.), ἵπάμπαν (Polit. Tim. Legg.), παραφροσύνη (Soph.
Phileb. 2, παράφρων Legg.), (μή) πλαστῶς (Soph. Legg.),
πολιός (Polit. Parm. Tim.), στέλλομαι (Soph. Phileb. Legg.),
t cbvdpopos (Polit. Lege.), fovvvoyos (Polit. Tim. Critia. Legg.),
Τσύντροφος (Polit. Lege.), τριπλοῦς (Polit. Tim. Legg.), xep-
gatos (Soph. Tim. Legg.). Next to which, for convenience
sake, may be classed some unusual compounds and derivatives
which have a similar rhetorical effect (ε) :—
Soph.—* ἀπομαρτύρομαι, ἀπόρρησις, * δυσθήρευτος, témdddakis,
εὐηνίως (adv.), καθό, κυλίνδησις, κώλυσις, προτάττομαι, *oKoTEL-
νότης.
Polit.—taméppnua, *yepavoBeria, διαβουλεύομαι, δυσκατα-
μάθητος, ἐγκαιρία, εἰστελῶ, ἔντευξις, ἐξαφανίζω, * ἑρμηνευτής,
ἐφέδρα, ἰδιότης, ὃ κοινώνησις, ὃ᾽᾿ μετασκευωροῦμαι, “ἥ᾿ ὁλόσχιστος,
δμηρεία, πάμφυλος, πρόκρισις, Τῥητορεία, ἵσυγκαταμίγνυμι (Hur.
Η. Fur.), *ovppipoduar, Ἰσυμπαρακολουθῶ, συναγυρμός, συναπο-
τελῶ, ὃ συνδιακυβερνῶ, σωφρονικός, Γχηνοβωτία, *xiAlavdpos.
XXX GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
᾿Αγράμματος (Polit. Tim. Critias), ἀκρατής (Soph. Legg.),
ἀνάστατος (Soph. Legg.), ἀπιδεῖν (Soph. Phileb. Legg.), ἀφερ-
μηνεύω (Soph. Legg.), ἀφύλακτος (Polit. Lege.), ἔγκαιρος (Polit.
Legg.), ἔκδοσις (Polit. Legg.), ἐμπορεύτικος (Polit., ἐμπορεύομαι
Lege.), ἐνάριθμος (Soph. Phileb.), ἐπίκλην (Soph. Phileb. Tim.),
εὐλαβής (Polit. Lege.), εὐπρεπής (Soph. Polit. Legg.), Τἠρεμαῖος
(Polit. Legg.), {θυραυλεῖν (Polit. Legg.), ἰταμότης (Polit.,
ἰταμῶς Legg.), καταπαύω (Polit. Phileb.), μεθημερινός (Soph.
Tim.), μηνυτής (Polit. Lege.), ἐμίσθωσις (Soph. Legg.), povap-
xla (Polit. Lege.), Τνομοθέτημα (Polit. Legg.), περιλείπῳ (Polit.
Tim. Critia. Legg.), προσμίγνυμι (Polit. Legg.), προστυχής
(γίγνεσθαί τινι), (Polit. Legg.), σκοτοδινία (Soph. Legg.), συγ-
γυμναστής (Soph. Lege.), συγκατασκευάζω (Polit. Legg.), συλ-
λαγχάνω (Polit. Tim.), συναπεργάζεσθαι (Polit. Tim.), *ovv-
διαπονῷ (Soph. Legg.), συνεφέπομαι (Soph. Tim. Critia. Legg.),
τολμηρός (Soph. Legg.), τὰ φωνηθέντα (Soph. Tim.), χαλεπότης
(Soph. Critia. Legg.).
The facts thus enumerated indicate as characteristic of the
language of these dialogues, (1) An extreme minuteness of
distinction, giving rise to new compounds and derivatives, and
to the employment of old words with new shades of meaning.
(2) An affectation of variety, leading to different modes of ex-
pressing the same thing. (3) Combined with these a learned
fulness of diction, commanding the resources of the written as
well as of the spoken language, and moulding old words to
the expression of new ideas: e. g. νυμφευτής, “one who brings
together in marriage ;” ἀγράμματος, “unwritten ;” dotpodos,
“ without twisting.” (4) The frequent and familiar use of
words denoting physical and mathematical as well as ethical
conceptions. To which may be added (5) the tendency to
fix in language some of the leading generalizations of philo-
sophy. This last point affords a partial approach to the
terminology of Aristotle, who has adopted several of the terms
here used. The re-adoption of words from the poets and
early writers, and the invention of new compounds, are charac-
teristic also of Isocrates and Xenophon; and many of the
words thus introduced became part of the vocabulary of the
later prose writers. But when the five points are taken to-
gether, the language of these dialogues is seen to be that of
Plato, with the peculiarities somewhat exaggerated; the most
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. XXXI
marked features being the invention of technical expressions
and the preference for words belonging to the tragic period
of Greek poetry.
That these dialogues shew an increased tendency to the
use of a peculiar diction, is proved sufficiently by the occur-
rence in 108 pages (ed. St.) of 270 words not found else-
where in Plato, and upwards of go words not found in
other Greck writers. It is true that 60 of these go words,
and about go of the 270, may be set down to the method
of dichotomies, but there remain the goodly allowance of about
180 words peculiar to these amongst the Platonic dialogues,
and at least 30 ἅπαξ εἰρημένα, a number which might be in-
creased if it were lawful to add those words which do not occur
earlier, and which later Platonists, like Plutarch and Clemens
Alexandrinus, have evidently adopted from this source.
But there are Platonic dialogues in which there are equally
marked peculiarities of diction. These are the Phedrus, Re-
public, Timzeus (including the fragment of the Critias), and
Laws. The first of these abounds in poetical words, and
there is probably no writing of equal length from which so
rich a vocabulary could be procured. But this may partly
be accounted for by the unwonted enthusiasm which Socrates
confesses that he feels “swelling in his breast.” The rich
garment of expression, “stiff with cloth of gold,” is confessedly
worn for the occasion; and though bearing a certain relation
to the language of these dialogues, has an air of wildness and
novelty, and a brilliance of unpremeditated force which is
absent here. The case of the Phedrus then may for the
present be treated as exceptional. And the same may be said
of the Republic, which abounds in peculiar words, not from
singularity, but from an overflowing richness and variety.
The Timeeus, Critias, and Laws, in 436 pages have 1492
words which occur nowhere else in Plato. Of these nearly a
third part belong to the Timzus and Critias, which in ΟἹ pages
have 427 words which occur in no other Platonic dialogue.
This large proportion is no doubt in part due to the peculiarity
of subject; but in the Laws alone, which as a political and
ethical treatise is not materially different in this respect from
the greater number of Plato’s writings, there are (in 345 pages)
nearly a thousand words which he has not used elsewhere.
XXXU GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
It remains to ask whether in those dialogues which have
a peculiar vocabulary the peculiarities are of the same kind.
This question may be partly answered by glancing at the lists
of words given above, and counting the number of those in
each category which occur in the Sophist or Politicus, and in
the Timzeus, Critias, or Laws, but appear in no other dialogue.
The coincidences noticed under the first head will appear
especially striking. It will also be seen that the coincidences
with the Philebus, although not numerous are characteristic,
especially under 8. See especially γένος, γένεσις, πῆξις, σῶμα,
This line of proof might be indefinitely extended by
adducing words peculiar to the latter dialogues but similar in
kind to those peculiar to the former4, and words which
though not peculiar to them are found to occur with in-
creased frequency in both". It may be left to the student
to examine these analogies for himself; but to give cogency
to these “concomitant variations” it is necessary to present
the negative side of the inquiry. It has been shewn that the
Sophist and Politicus on the one hand, and the Timeeus, Critias,
and Laws on the other, have certain peculiarities of diction ;
and also that these peculiarities are to some extent the same
or similar. It must be further inquired whether any other dia-
logues equally with the Sophist and Politicus share the pecu-
harities of the Timzeus, Critias, and Laws. If account be taken
of what I have ventured to call the technical words, the
answer is clear. There is no dialogue which equally with
these five combines the various elements of diction above-
mentioned. In poetical and rhetorical words the Pheedrus
ean hardly be exceeded; but the number of words which
occur only in the Phedrus, Timeus, Critias, and Laws, is less
in proportion than the number of those occurring only in the
Sophist, Politicus, Timzeus, Critias, and Laws; and considerably
less than these confined to the Politicus, Timeeus, Critias, and
Laws, although slightly exceeding those found only in the
ὑλή.
a Such as ἄβιος, Legg. (δ.); ἀβίαστος,
Tim. (6.) ; ἀβούλητος, Legg. (a.); ἀγε-
ves, Tim. (α.) ; ἀγέννητος“, Tim.(a.); ay-
νεύω, ἁγνεία, Lege. (y.); ἀγχιστεία,
Legg.(5.); ἀγώνισμα, Legg. (δ.) ; ἀδιε-
ρεύνητος Tim. (ε.); ἀειφυγία, Legg.
(ε.); ἄθλημα, Lege. (8.); &6Aa, Tim.
Legg. (5.); ἀθύρω, Legg. (8.); ἄθυτος,
Legg. (6.)
τ Such as φράζω, mepiexw, περιλαμ-
βάνω, μετρητικός, ἀπεργάζομαι, μέτο-
χος, προαιρεῖσθαι, ἐμφανίζω, φῦλον, φαν-
τάζεσθαι, ἀπόφασις, ῥηθέν, πρόσρημα,
the indefinite πότερος.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. XXXII
Sophist, Timeus, Critias, and Laws. But, if the Pheedrus
is treated as exceptional, there is no other dialogue which
equally with these approximates to the language of the later
dialogues, as measured by the number of words (in proportion
to the number of pages) which the dialogue in question shares
with the Timzus, Critias, or Laws, and with no other. The
Sophist, which is neither physical nor ethical, but dialectical,
and for this reason cannot be expected to abound in variety
of words, is nearer to the Timeeus, Critias, Laws, when tried by
this test, than the Republic, which abounds in peculiar words,
which is linked by the author to the Timzeus, and whose gene-
ral subject is closely similar to that of the Laws; while the
proportion of the Politicus is five times that of the Gorgias,
and nearly ten times that of the Meno. The following table
exhibits approximately the numerical ratios of the several dia-
Jogues according to the number of words at once common and
peculiar to each with the Timeus, Critias, and Laws :—
Polit. το. Pheedo 35. thyphr. Gorg. 3.
ea τὰ Symp. 24. Huthyd. 1.
Rohtsjer Phileb. 3. Critias +.
Pheedr. 14. Ton 2. Parm. Hipp. Min. τ.
Soph. 135. Theset, 2. Men. 52.
Rep. δ. Prot. Lach. Lys.4. Ale. I. 4.
Menex. 4. Crat. Apol. Eu- Charmid. +4.
The position of the Parmenides in this list, like that of the Phe-
drus, is partly accounted for by exceptional circumstances.
§ 8. In grammar, structure of sentences, and rhythm, these
dialogues present the same affinities which were found in ex-
amining their vocabulary and general style. Bearing a certain
resemblance to Plato’s other writings generally, they approach
most nearly to the Philebus, Timseus, Critias, and Laws.
(1) With respect to the grammar this remark will be seen
to be justified by many parallel passages which have been col-
lected in the notes to this edition. Of the following idioms
several may be paralleled from other dialogues: some from
other authors: but when taken together, they will be seen to
be especially characteristic of the group thus indicated.
5. Considered as one continuous dialogue. For confirmation of these assertions,
see Ast’s Lexicon Platonicuin.
i
XXX1V GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
i. The Ionic dative plural of the 2nd declension in ot occurs
twice in the Politicus: 262 a. διπλασίοισι (MSS. with one ex-
ception, οἱσὴ); 304 6. ἑπομένοισιν. Several instances of this
form might, however, be collected from the Timzus and Laws.
It does not occur elsewhere in Plato.
ii. Perfects with present (perhaps frequentative) meaning :
ἐσπούδακα, Soph. 216, 251 6, 259 6; κέχρημαι, ib. 2236; τε-
θαύμακα, ib. 251 6. Compare τετεύτακα, Rep. 7, 521 6, Tim.
90 Ὁ. The so-called “aorist of custom” and the perf. pass.
with middle signification are too common to require special
mention here.
iii. The participle is used with the auxiliary verb instead
of one of the tenses of some other mood :
Soph. 217 ὁ. ἀπαρνηθεὶς γένῃ; ib. 229 d. ἐστὶν ἔχον; ib.
235. a. ἔχων τυγχάνει; ib. 244 6. λόγον οὐκ ἂν ἔχον (ἐστίν);
ib. 245 6. γενέσθαι----ὃν. ib. d. εἰληφὸς φανεῖται; ib. 260 d.
ἔξαρνον γεγονέναι. Polit. 257 a. ἀκηκοότες εἶναι; ib. 268 c.
λέγοντες--τυγχάνοιμεν ; ib. 306 b. ἔστον exovre.*
iv. The cognate accusative of the active becomes the subject
of the passive yoice. This extension of a common idiom occurs
sometimes in tragedy, 6. g. Sophocles, Trach. 169. τοιαῦτ᾽ ἔφραζε
πρὸς θεῶν εἱμαρμένα τῶν Ηρακλείων ἐκτελευτᾶσθαι πόνων (Ξε τὸν
Ἡρακλῆ τελευτᾶν τοὺς πότους τοιαῦτα, cogn. acc.). In the So-
phist, where much has to be said of various processes, this form
of expression is often found convenient, e.g. 221 a. τὸ THs—
πληγῆς --- ἀνασπώμενον, “the stroke effected by an upward
jerk ;” cf. Polit. 271 a. τὸ ἐξ ἀλλήλων---γεννώμενον. By a fur-
ther extension of the same usage, the verbal noun in pa often
means not the result of an act, but the act or process itself: so
δήλωμα, Soph. 262 a; γέννημα, ib. 266 e; μίμημα Polit. 274 a;
and, as I venture to think, σπέρμα, ib. 2726. The case of
θρέμμα, ib. 289 Ὁ, is even more peculiar; here a transition is
made from the act to the means by which the act is performed,
just as often happens with the English verbal noun in ing
(e. g. furnishings, trappings, dressing, &c.).
y. One instance at least occurs of the infinitive used for the
imperative: Soph. 262 6. σύ μοι φράζειν.
vi. And one of the imperative put interrogatively :
Ὁ Periphrases are altogether more frequent: 6. g. τέλος ἔχειν,
GENERAL INTRODUCTION, XXXV
Polit. 295 0. μὴ ἐξέστω 647 —; Cf. Aeschin. il. 21, ὅτι ἠρξά-
μὴν μὴ ἀποδημήσω 5
vii. Partitive genitives are frequent: 6. g.
Soph. 265 a. τῆς κτητικῆς.
Polit. 281 6. τῶν αἰτιῶν.
Cf. Phileb. 56 ἃ. καὶ ξύμπασα αὐτῆς αὐλητική.
vii. Attraction,
of an adverb, Polit. 263. ὅθεν -- ἐντεῦθεν, οὗ.
of a verb, Soph. 263. ὡς ἔοικε--- γίγνεσθαι: γίγνεται, ws
ἔοικεν. Cf. Phileb. 6% ¢.
ix. Apposition,
a. Sing. and plur. ἐν πάντα, frequent here and in Phileb.
Polit. 306 ἀ 6. τάχος καὶ σφοδρότητα καὶ ὀξύτητα----οαὐτό.
Ὁ. Femi. and neut. Soph. τὸ μὲν πονηρία καλούμενον.
9. Mase. and fem. or neut. (concrete and abstract),
Polit. 259 ἃ. πολιτικὴν καὶ πολιτικὸν καὶ βασιλικὴν καὶ
βασιλικὸν---ὃν πάντα ταῦτα.
d. Of clauses,
(i.) To each other, Polit. 257d. ταῦτα----ποιητέον" οὐκ ἀπο-
στατέον.
(1.) To a demonstrative: frequently τὸ δὲ or τὸ δέ γε.
Soph. 244 a. τὸ δὲ τούτον γίγνηται πᾶν τοὐνάντιον.
Polit. 263 d. τὸ δέ γε---τάχ᾽ ἂν---διονομάζοι. Ib. 308 6.
ταὐτὸν δή μοι τοῦθ᾽ ἣ βασιλική φαίνεται, κιτιλ.
(11.) To a relative, Soph. 227 ὁ. ὅπερ ἤρου, κιτιλ. Ib.
236 d. ὃ δὲ καὶ τότ᾽ ἠμφεγνόουν, κ-.τ.λ.
x. The use of the neut. article with the genitive to express
the abstract notion of a thing, is especially frequent in the
Politicus and Laws. Polit. 263 ὁ. τὸ τῆς ἀποπλανήσεως. Ib.
274 d. τὸ τοῦ μυθοῦ.
xi. Ellipse (more frequent in the Sophist),
a. Soph. 22.5 a. τῷ δὲ λόγους πρὸς λόγους (γιγνομένῳ).
Ib. 233 b. μήτ᾽ ἐφαίνοντο (ὀρθῶς ἀντιλέγει»).
Ib. 235 Ὁ. δέδεικται τοίνυν (δεῖ).
Ib. 238 c. μὴ ὃν δέ (ἐπειδὰν λέγωμεν).
Ib. 248 6. τὸ δέ (ἂν φαῖεν).
Polit. 276 c. τί μήν (ἔδει) ;----ἐλέγομεν (δεῖν).
Ib. 301 ὃ. προσποιῆται δὲ ὡς ὁ ἐπιστήμων (ἄρχειν).
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GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
b. Of τὸ μὲν with τὸ δὲ following,
Soph. 221 6. νευστικοῦ μέρους, τὸ δὲ πεζοῦ.
Ib. 267 b. νενεμήσθω, τὸ δὲ μεθείσθω.
Polit. 291 6. τυραννίδι, τὸ δὲ βασιλικῇ. Cf. Phileb. 36 6.
ψευδεῖς, αἱ δ᾽ ἀληθεῖς---ἧδοναί. Hence in Phileb. 66 ο,
ἐπιστήμας, ταῖς δ᾽ αἰσθήσεσιν, should probably be read
ἐπιστήμαις with corr. =. Legg. passim.
e. Of the apodosis after μέν,
Soph. 240 b. ἐοικὸς μέν.
Polit. 311 Ὁ. τὸ δ᾽ ἐν ταῖς πράξεσιν τὸ μὲν διαφερόντως
ἴσχει. Οὗ Rep.455¢; ὅγιιρ. 2ο7 4; Thesxt. το 16;
ἌΡΟΙ]. τὸ ἢ. Ci, Hom. 115). ΤΡ»
xi. Pleonasm,
a. Simple, of δεῖν, Soph. 221 a. ὅπερ προὐθέμεθα δεῖν ἐξευ-
pelv. Repetition of αὐτός, Polit. 268 a (cf. the frag-
ment of Ausch. in Rep. 2, 383 ὁ) εἶναι, Ib. 300 0. εἰς
δύναμιν εἶναι. Comparative, Ib. 288 b ὁ. μᾶλλον ---
ὀρθότερον.
b. Redundant or explicit use of the participle, Soph. 225 a.
ὄνομα λέγειν---τιθεμένους. Lb. 250 6. ᾧ χρῶνται, τὰ μὲν
χαλεπαίνοντες, τὰ δὲ μαλθακωτέρως παραμυθούμενοι. Ib.
234 6. εἴδωλα λεγόμενα. Tb. 240 ἃ. ἑνὶ προσειπεῖν ὀνό-
ματι φθεγξάμενος. Ib. 243 Ὁ. φθέγξηται λέγων. Ib.
252 Ὁ. διαιροῦσιν-----διαιρούμενοι. Polit. 274. 6. ἡμάρτο-
μεν ἀποφηνάμενοι. Ib. 280 6. τέλεον λελεγμένον. Cf.
Legg. 9, 879 d. εἴτε πάλαι ἐνοικοῦντος, εἴτε νεήλυδος
ἀφιγμένον.
(Ν. Β. There is a strong tendency to the use of participial
expressions generally.)
c. The same love of explicitness is shewn in the repeti-
tion, with or without modification, of a verbal notion
which has been already expressed or implied; often
causing a return from a more dependent to a less
dependent construction, as from participle to infini-
tive, infinitive to subjunctive, infinitive or subjunctive
to indicative. Soph. 216 e. τότε δὲ σοφισταΐ, τότε δὲ
δόξαν παράσχοιντ᾽ ἄν. Ib. 225 6. ἀμφισβητεῖται μέν,
ἀτέχνως δὲ---περὶ αὐτὸ πράττεται. Ib. 243 a. χαλεπόν,
καὶ πλημμελὲς ἐπιτιμᾷν. Tb. 246 d. ποιεῖν---ποιῶμεν.
Ib. 248 6. λέγουσιν ὅτι---μέν---δὲ----᾿ασίν. Polit. 263 d.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. XXXVI
προσείποι. Ib. 293 6. μεμιμῆσθαι. Ib. 299 d. θεασαί-
μεθα. Ib. 302 c, ἔφαμεν. Cf. Symp.177¢; Apol.1g e.
xill. Πρὸς τὸ σημαινόμενον.
The sentence is sometimes continued as if a word in
composition were fully expressed.
Soph. 219 a. ἄτεχνον, ἄλλην δὲ δύναμιν ἔχον.
Ib. 249 ἃ. τῷ---φιλοσόφῳ καὶ ταῦτα μάλιστα τιμῶντι.
Cf. Lege. 7, 810 ἃ. φιλομαθοῦντι μηδὲ μισοῦντι,
xiv. “ Pendent” constructions.
Of the nom., Soph. 247 ὁ. πᾶν ὃ μὴ dvvatol—eicly, ὡς dpa
τοῦτο Polit. 303 ¢. τοῦτο μὲν ἀτεχνῶς ὥσπερ δρᾶμα
καττὰ.
Gen. with περὶ, Soph. 258 6. περὶ ἐναντίου τινός---χαίρειν
λέγομεν.
Dat., Polit. 295 6. τῷ δὲ τὰ δίκαια----κ.τ.λ.
Δοο., Polit. 295 d. πᾶν τὸ τοιοῦτον ξυμβαῖνον---γέλως ἂν 6
μέγιστος γίγνοιτο τῶν τοιούτων νομοθετημάτων. Ib. 282 6.
τὸ μὲν ἀτράκτῳ-- -ὅσα δέ ye ad—. Ib. 283 ἃ. τό γε τῆς
ὑφαντικῆς μέρος---. 10.506 ο.᾽ Οξύτητα καὶ τάχος ----. With
παρά, Ib. 300 b. παρὰ γὰρ οἶμαι τοὺς νόμου- ----.
xv. The construction as well as the diction is often varied
in successive clauses.
Soph. 248 Ὁ. γενέσει---πρὸς οὐσίαν. Ib. 244 d. ἢ μηδενὸς---
εἰ δέ twos. Ib. 245 6. τε---καὶ μὴν---γε.
xvi. The subject of the inversion of words belongs rather to
the structure of sentences than to grammar. But it may be
well in this place to call attention to the frequency of hyper-
baton, especially in the use of particles. E.g. Soph. 263 c.
ἔφαμεν---που. Ib. d. μέντοι. Ib. 264 a. ὅταν---αὖ.
Several of these modes of expression, such as the redundant
participle, the use of the auxiliary verb, and the extension of
the cognate accusative, not to mention the Ionic dative plural,
and the peculiar effects of attraction, are in the manner of
tragedy ; and we may therefore be the less surprised at such
directly tragic forms of expression as Soph. 238 a. μήπω μέγ᾽
εἴπῃς. Ib. 235 a. viv ἡμέτερον ἔργον ἤδη τὸν θῆρα μηκέτ᾽ ἀνεῖναι.
Ib. 229 6. ἀρχαιοπρεπές τι πάτριον. [Ὁ. 235d. οὐ μή ποτε ἐκφυγὸν
ἐπεύξηται, or such “ pregnant” constructions as in Polit. 271 a.
ἄδηλον----διεφθείρετο. Cf. Lege. 11, 926 Ὁ. μαινόμενα κηδεύματα.
XXXVI GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
(2) It may be remarked generally with regard to the
structure of the sentences in these dialogues, that they are
more elaborate and also more irregular than in the greater
number of Plato’s writings. They have less of the sponta-
neous movement of conversation, and in the Politicus especially
are often more redundant and complicated. While the reader’s
ear is filled with a peculiar stately rhythm, his attention is
quickened by artificial or poetical collocations of words. These
traits are clearly marked in the dialogues before us; they
may be traced also in the Philebus and some parts of the —
Pheedrus, and they are eminently characteristic of the Laws.
Note for example the elaborateness and balanced formality
of the following replies :
Soph. 217 a. τί δὲ μάλιστα καὶ τὸ ποῖον περὶ αὐτῶν διαπο-
ρηθεὶς ἐρέσθαι διενοήθης ;
Ib. 224 c. καὶ τί τις ἂν ἄλλο εἰπὼν οὐκ ἂν πλημμελοίη πλὴν
τὸ νῦν ζητούμενον αὐτὸ εἶναι τὸ σοφιστικὸν γένος ;
Ib. 226 b. τὸ ποῖον περὶ αὐτῶν βουληθεὶς δηλῶσαι, παραδείγ- |
ματα προθεὶς ταῦτα κατὰ πάντων ἤρου ;
Ib. 234 Ὁ. οὐδαμῶς" πάμπολυ γὰρ εἴρηκας εἶδος εἰς ἕν πάντα
συλλαβὼν καὶ σχεδὸν ποικιλώτατον.
Polit. 262 6. ποῖον οὖν δὴ φράζεις διαιρουμένους ἡμᾶς οὐκ
ὀρθῶς ἄρτι δρᾷν;
Ib. 270 Ὁ. φαίνεται γ᾽ οὖν δὴ καὶ μάλα εἰκότως εἰρῆσθαι πάντα |
ὅσα διελήλυθας.
Ib. 277 ἃ. καὶ κινδυνεύει γ᾽, ὦ ξένε, τελέως ἂν ἡμῖν οὕτως
ἔχειν ἣ περὶ τὸν πολιτικὸν ἀπόδειξις.
Ib. 284 6. καὶ μέγα γ᾽ ἑκάτερον τμῆμα εἶπες, καὶ πολὺ δια-
φέρον ἀλλήλοιν.
Compare with these Phil. 29 d. τίς γὰρ ἀποκρινόμενος ἄλλως
ὑγιαίνων ἄν ποτε φανείη ; Ib. 32 ἃ. Ὀρθότατα λέγεις ὅτι ταύτῃ πῇ
δεῖ διαπορευθῆναι τὸ νῦν μεταδιωκόμενον. Ib. 47 ὁ. Πάντα, ὦ Σώ-
κρατες; τὰ συμβαίνοντα πρὸς τῶν πολλῶν ἀνθρώπων εἰς δόξαν διε-
πέρανας. Tim. 29 ἀ. ἔΑριστα, ὦ Τίμαιε, παντάπασί τε ὡς κελεύεις
ἀποδεκτέον" τὸ μὲν οὖν προοίμιόν σον θαυμασίως ἀπεδεξάμεθά σου,
τὸν δὲ δὴ λόγον ἡμῖν ἐφεξῆς πέραινε. Lege. 1, p. 627 ὁ. Καὶ μάλα
ἄτοπον, ὦ ξένε, τὸ νῦν λεγόμενον, ὅμως δ᾽ ὁμολογεῖν οὕτως ἀναγ-
καιότατον. Ib. 628 ο. Οὕτω πᾶς ἂν ἐθέλοι πρότερον ἢ κείνως περὶ
τὴν αὑτοῦ γίγνεσθαι πόλιν. Ib. 639 6. παντάπασί τινὰ πονηρὸν
λέγεις, καὶ οὐδαμῶς ἀνδρῶν ἄρχοντα, ἀλλά τινων σφόδρα γυναικῶν.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. KXXIX
In these and numberless other places there is easily recog-
nised the presence of a common type. ‘The same careful
precision is observable in the explicitness with which a ques-
tion is often stated. See Soph. 218 c; 230 b, c,d; 248 ἃ, e;
265¢; Polit. 262 c,d,e; 293 a,b; and compare Phil. 12 ο, ἃ ;
15 b,c; 18 b, 0, d, and Legg. 637.
Instances of redundaney and complication, of a somewhat
harsher kind than those of the Phzdrus, Gorgias, or Republic,
arising more from lengthiness than fulness, will soon enough
become familiar to the student of these dialogues. Meanwhile
the following passages may be taken as samples: Soph. 230
e,d; Polit. 288 ἃ, 293 Ὁ, 298 ὁ, d, 309 Ὁ. Compare Phil.
17 d,e; Legg. 716 b, 740 d, 779 ἃ. Such irregularities are
especially frequent in the Politicus and Laws.
In point of rhythm and the collocation of words, these
dialogues hold, with the Philebus, an intermediate place be-
tween the Pheedrus (to which may here be added the Thee-
tetus and Republic) and the Timezeus, Critias, and Laws.
Every reader of Plato is acquainted with the poetic cadences,
which in his more highly wrought passages he occasionally
introduces, not without a smile at his own magnificence. In
the myths especially (to use his own words), he speaks with
a tragic air, as if telling a tale impressively to children. (Rep.
8, 545 86. εὐχώμεθα ταῖς Μούσαις εἰπεῖν ἡμῖν “"On(m)ws δὴ πρῶ-
TOV στάσις ἔμπεσε," καὶ φῶμεν αὐτὰς τραγικῶς, os πρὸς παῖδας
ἡμᾶς παιζούσας καὶ ἐρεσχηλούσας, ws δὴ σπουδῇ λεγούσας ὑψηλο-
λογουμένας λέγειν") Examples will readily occur from the
Protagoras, Symposium, Theetetus (172-177), and the con-
clusion of the Republic (where note especially the speech of
Lachesis). It appears from the Pheedrus that these harmonies
were not unconscious. The Socrates of that dialogue is sur-
prised to find himself discoursing in this unwonted strain.
When the afflatus of the higher rhetoric first descends on
him, he says, “I am speaking almost in dithyrambs,” and
afterwards, when he breaks out into a verse in the epic
metre, he remarks on this as. shewing a further access of
enthusiasm. The ironical shyness with which he at first ex-
ercises his suddenly acquired gift wears off as he proceeds,
and in the second long speech, or “palinode,” he evidently
“forgets that they are at play.” Both speeches, besides
xl GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
such mock-poetical turns as ξύμμοι λαβέσθε τοῦ μυθοῦ,---πά-
pire δὴ, θρέμματα γενναῖα, καλλίπαιδά τε Φαῖδρον πείθετε, are
full of a sententious solemnity and rich music, to which the
choice and arrangement of the words contribute largely.
The following single phrases will partly illustrate this: 246 d.
ὁ μὲν δὴ μέγας ἡγεμὼν ἐν οὐρανῷ Ζεύς, ἐλαύνων πτηνὸν ἅρμα,
πρῶτος πορεύεται. 247 ἃ. τῶν δ᾽ ἄλλων ὅσοι ἐν τῷ τῶν δώδεκα
ἀριθμῷ τεταγμένοι θεοὶ ἄρχοντες. Ib. b. ἀκρὰν ὑπὸ τὴν ὑπου-
ράνιον ἁψῖδα πορεύονται πρὸς ἄναντες ἤδη. Ib. βρίθει γὰρ ὁ τῆς
κάκης ἵππος μετέχων. Ib. 248 b. πολλαὶ μὲν χωλεύονται, πολλοὶ
δὲ πολλὰ πτερὰ θραύονται, πᾶσαι δὲ πολὺν ἔχουσαι πόνον ἀτελεῖς |
pa up ’
τῆς τοῦ ὄντος θέας anépxovtai—where the alliteration also adds
to the effect.
The music of language, thus half-humorously struck out,
seems to have had an increasing fascination for Plato, and
sounds on unreservedly in his latest works. In the Timzeus
and Laws these tragic and “ dithyrambic” cadences are no
longer occasional, but perpetual, and the speaker does not
now “veil his face” with Socratic irony while uttering them.
There appears an increasing preference for balanced phrases
and “good mouth-filling” words. The rhythm, however, while
more laboured, is less varied and less instinct with movement
and life. The following examples are taken almost at random.
Tim. 41 6. δέοι δὲ σπαρείσας αὐτὰς εἰς τὰ προσήκοντα ἑκάσταις
ἕκαστα ὄργανα χρόνου φῦναι ζώων τὸ θεοσεβέστατον. Ib. 47 b.
τἄλλα δέ, ὅσα ἐλάττω, τί ἂν ὑμνοῖμεν ; ὧν ὃ μὴ φιλόσοφος τυφλω-
θεὶς Odupopevos ἂν θρῆνοϊ μᾶτην. Legg. 1, 644 Ὁ. δεῖ δὴ τὴν
παιδείαν μηδαμοῦ ἀτιμάζειν, ὡς πρῶτον τῶν καλλίστων τοῖς ἀρίστοις
ἄνδρασι παραγιγνόμενον. Ib. 2, 653 d. θεοὶ δὲ οἰκτείραντες τὸ
τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἐπίπονον πεφυκὸς γένος. Ib. 654 6. μάταιος ὃ μετὰ
ταῦθ᾽ ἡμῖν περὶ παιδείας ὀρθῆς εἴθ᾽ “Ἑλληνικῆς εἴτε βαρβαρικῆς
λόγος ἄν εἴη. Ib. 661 Ὁ. τὸ δὴ τέλος ἁπάσης μακαριότητος εἶναι!
τὸ ταῦτα κεκτημένον ἀθάνατον εἶναι γενόμενον 6 τι τάχιστα. Ib.
3, 677 6. μυρίαν μέν τινα φοβερὰν ἐρημίαν, γῆς δὲ ἀφθόνου πλῆ-
Gos πάμπολυ, ζώων δὲ τῶν ἄλλων ἐρρόντων BovKOAL ἄττα, καὶ εἴ
τί που αἰγῶν περιλειφθὲν γένος. Ib. 7. 824 a. ἡ τῶν διαπαύματα
πόνων ἔχουσα. Ib. 8, 831 6. τοῦ φαγεῖν παντοδαπὰ καὶ πιεῖν
ὡσαύτως καὶ ἀφροδισίων πᾶσαν πάντως παρασχεῖν πλησμονήν.
Ib. 842 ο. ἀναγκαῖον νομοθετοῦντά ἐστι τρέπεσθαι. Ib. 4, 716 a,
b, 9, 854 a, 878 b, 11, 919 a, b.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. xi
If we turn now to the Philebus, Sophist, and Politicus, we
shall find a rhythm less inflated and monotonous than that of
the Laws, less free and various than that of the Phadrus, but
essentially resembling both. If the cadences of the Phadrus
have a dithyrambic wildness, and those of the Laws are
oratorical rather than poetical, these would most aptly be com-
pared to the refined moderation and calm stateliness of Attic
tragedy. So far as a thing of this kind can be reduced to
rule, the artifices by which the effect is secured are chiefly
two: (1) The careful balancing of words so as to relieve the
tediousness of a lengthened phrase, by the counterposition of
noun and epithet, verb and participle, subject and object, and
by the alternation of emphatic and unemphatic words; (2)
The adjustment of long and short syllables so as to quicken or
retard the movement of the sentence. (That this is no mere
fancy maybe gathered from the re-introduction of the Ionic
dat. plur. in ot.) Sometimes short syllables are accumulated
as in choric metres: more often a sentence is concluded with
an Iambic hemistich, or with a dochmiac, each generally ter-
minating with a dissyllable, which is often divorced from the
immediate context. But there is something beyond this
unconscious mechanism, which can be discovered by the ear
alone. \ ~ / χὰ Ὁ
201 d. ἐπεὶ γενόμενόν γ᾽ ἂν οἷον λέγομεν ἀγαπᾶσθαί τε ἂν καὶ
οἰκεῖν διακυβερνῶντα εὐδαιμόνως ὀρθὴν ἀκριβῶς μόνον πολιτείαν.
309. θείαν ἐν δαιμονίῳ γίγνεσθαι γένει.
The following are selected from many parallel examples in
the Philebus. 18 ἃ. τοῦτον τὸν δεσμὸν αὖ λογισάμενος ὡς ὄντα
ἕνα καὶ πάντα ταῦτα ἕν πως ποιοῦντα, μίαν ἐπ’ αὐτοῖς ὡς οὖσαν
Ν / 3 J ΄ \ Ν lal
γραμματικὴν τέχνην ἐπεφθέγξατο προσειπών. 45 ἃ. τὸ δὲ τῶν
ἀφρόνων τε καὶ ὑβριστῶν μέχρι μανίας ἡ σφόδρα ἡδονὴ κατέχουσα
U4 p) if , ALS > yy > @ ,
περιβοήτους ἀπεργάζεται. 46 b. σύμμικτον τοῦτό γ᾽ dp ὦ Σώ-
κρατες, ἔοικε γίγνεσθαί τι κακόν. (Where there isa manifest
approach to the structure of an Iambic line: σύμμικτον dp’ ἔοικε
/ aT “ Ν \ / NWSE ,
γίγνεσθαι κακόν.) 66 Ὁ. πρῶτον μὲν περὶ μέτρον καὶ τὸ μέτριον
y uv pe a Set =
καὶ πάντα ὁπόσα χρὴ τοιαῦτα νομίζειν τὴν aldiov ἡρῆσθαϊι φῦσιν.
67. καὶ τοὺς θηρίων ἔρωτας οἴονται κυρίους εἶναι μάρτυρας μᾶλλον
δ Ν 3 - , / ε 4 /
ἢ τοὺς ev Movon φιλοσόφῳ μεμαντευμένων ἑκάστοτε λόγων.
Whatever may be thought of a matter which depends so
much on individual impressions as this of rhythm, there can
be no question that the transposition of words from their
natural sequence, either for the sake of sound or emphasis,
which was noticed occasionally in the Thesetetus, Appendix A.
p- 218, becomes more frequent in these dialogues. See, for
instance, the hyperbaton of νῦν in p.218b, and two other
places of the Sophist; and Polit. 268 6 (πολλὰ---ἔτη), 276 ©
(ἐπιμέλεια---καὶ----τέχνη), 280 d (ὅσαι τε περὶ Tas κλοπὰς Kal τὰς
βίᾳ πράξεις διακωλυτικὰ ἔργα παρέχονται τέχναι φραγμάτων ἢ“).
In more than one passage this has been the chief source of
difficulty to interpreters. Nor will it be denied that the same
symptom of laborious and artificial arrangement reappears with
increased frequency in the Laws.
« Cf. Polit. 300 a. Tod κακοῦ τοῦ πρόσθεν μεῖζον ἔτι τοῦτο γίγνοιτο κακόν : Sug=
gesting the line τοῦ πρόσθε μεῖζον τοῦτο γίγνεται κακόν.
* Soph. 253 c. διὰ πάντων εἰ (for εἰ διὰ πάντων).
Ib. 6. ἰδεῖν μὲν χαλεπὸν ἐναργῶς καὶ τοῦτον.
Polit. 260 c. τῆς ἐπιτακτικῆς ὡς ὕντα αὐτὸν τέχνης.
Ib. 270 6. τοῖς ἔντος ἡμῖν οἰκοῦσιν αὐτοῦ.
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. xii
§ 9. The relation of our two dialogues to the Philebus on
the one hand, and on the other to the Timeus and Laws, which
is indicated by this general survey of their scope, method,
style and diction, and may perhaps be confirmed when each is
examined separately, contains the answer to the question raised
by Socher, Are these dialogues Platonic or Antiplatonic ?
The single point of authorship is indeed sufficiently decided
by three references of Aristotle (Met. vi. 2, § 3, 1026 B, Διὸ
Πλάτων τρόπον τινὰ ov κακῶς τὴν σοφιστικὴν περὶ TO μὴ ὃν
ἔταξεν : ib. xi. 8, 1064 B; xii. 2, 1089 C), and in reference to
the Sophist few Platonic scholars will not feel the force of
Dr. Thompson’s words (Genuineness of the Sophista, p. 5):
“50 far as the mere style is concerned, there is no dialogue
in the whole series more thoroughly Platonic. In their
structure the periods are those of Plato, and they are unlike
those of any other writer. Throughout, it seems to me, the
author is writing his very best. His subject is a dry one;
and he strives to make it palatable by a more than ordinary
neatness of phrase, and by a sustained tone of pleasantry.
His style is terse or fluent, as terseness or fluency is re-
quired: but the fluency never degenerates into laxity, nor the
terseness into harshness. The most arid dialectical wastes
are refreshed by his humour: and bloom in more places
than one with images of rare brilliancy and felicity. Few
besides Plato would have thought of describing the endless
wrangling of two sects (?) who had no principle in common,
under the image of a battle between gods and giants; and
_ fewer still, had they conceived the design, would have ex-
| ecuted it with a touch at once so firm and so fine. What
inferior master could have kept up so well and with so little
effort, the fiction of a hunt after a fierce and wily beast, by
which the Eleatic stranger sustains the ardent Thestetus amid
_ the toil and weariness of a prolonged logical exercitation?
_ Or who could so skilfully have interwoven that exercitation
_ itself with matter so grave and various as that of which the
dialogue in its central portion is made up? If vivacity in the
conversations, easy and natural transitions from one subject to
another, pungency of satire, delicate persiflage, and idiomatic
raciness of phrase are elements of dramatic power, I know no
_ dialogue more dramatic than the Sophistes.”
Ὁ 2
xliv GENERAL INTRODUCTION.
But the objections of Socher are not thus met, or rather the
difficulties which he raised are not explained. And yet the
solution of them may contribute something towards a theory —
of these dialogues, and may even throw some light on the |
history of Plato’s mind.
1. Socher objects first that the dichotomies, unlike the divi-
sions of the Gorgias and Philebus, are meaningless, arbitrary, |
accidental, and tastelessly prolonged. It has been shewn that |
division as a logical exercise was at one time rife in the school |
of Plato; that the use of that exercise here is propedeutic and ὦ
provisional ; and that the method while used is also eriticized, 1
modified, and partly rejected; that its use here is not more ©
singular than that of etymologies in the Cratylus: and that
as the Cratylus vein recurs occasionally in these dialogues, so |
traces of the method of dichotomies appear in the Laws. The |
use of the method is also seen to be an approach to Aristotle,
who makes use of some of the divisions which are here in-
vented.
2. * The absence of humour, seen especially in the gravity
with which trivial examples are worked out.” Whatever may
be thought of the humour of these dialogues, they are not less
humorous than the Timzeus and Laws. And whoever misses
humour in them, will probably find the same want in the
greater part of the Philebus. Socher’s objection is really
based on the prominence which is given in these dialorues—
and also in the Philebus and Parmenides, and in a ditterent
way in the Laws—to the idea of method. And it may be
retorted that the “ gravity” is often that of the accomplished
humorist, who does not “himself laugh, to set on some
quantity of barren spectators to laugh too.”
3. “Plato identifies Being with the ideas; Not-Being with
the objects of sense: the object of opinion being intermediate.
(Rep. v. 477-480.) The Eleatic Stranger takes no account of
this absolute antithesis of Being and Not-Being. Being, with
him, is the sum of all positive notions. Plato, on the other
hand, takes no account of the logical antithesis or correlation
of Being and Not-Being.”
4. “ Further, the Sophist contains a criticism of the Platonic
doctrine of Ideas.”
These cardinal objections can only be fully met in the sepa-
rate Introduction to the Sophist. Meanwhile the reader
GENERAL INTRODUCTION. xlv
may be asked to bear in mind what has been already said of
Plato’s modification of his theory of Knowledge, and the un-
doubted approximation to the Aristotelian point of view which
appears in the Philebus, Timseus, and Laws. And we may notice,
as a discrepancy of the same kind, the final rejection in the
Thestetus of a definition of Knowledge, which might well be
thought essentially Platonic, namely, “ True opinion able to
| give a reason of itself” (δόξα ἀληθής μετὰ λόγου).
5. To the Politicus, besides the general grounds (1 and 2),
Socher objects that the political notions here advanced are not
in harmony with the Republic, and still less with earlier dia-
logues. The examination of this point must also be reserved :
but we are in a position to remark that there is a third case
| not put by Socher, viz. Is the Politicus intermediate between
| the Republic and the Laws ?
_ 6. Lastly, he observes that the idea of the Divine Govern-
ment, implied in the mythical description of the Saturnia
_regna, is wholly unlike what appears in the Pheedo, Republic,
| Timeus, and Laws: with which the notion of God ever leaving
the helm of the universe is wholly irreconcilable. The signifi-
ance of this remark will be developed, when the Politicus is
considered separately. At present it may be enough to point
to the well-known passage in the tenth book of the Laws
(896 e), where an independent evil soul is postulated in order
_ to account for evil; with which compare Rep. 2, 379 ὁ, “ God,
since he is good, cannot be the cause of all things, as most
men say, but of what happens to mankind little is due to him,
and there is much of which he is not the cause: for our good
is much less than our evil.”
Each of Socher’s objections, although inconclusive, arose
| from the perception of some real peculiarity, of which those
| who maintain the genuineness of these dialogues are bound
to give account. It will appear in the sequel, whether any
light is thrown upon this subject, when they are viewed, as by
) the indications of style and diction we have been led to view
them, in especial connexion with the Theetetus, Philebus,
Timeeus, Critias, and Laws.
INTRODUCTION ΤῸ THE SOPHIST.
OF the title given to this dialogue by the early grammarians, —
Σοφιστὴς, ἢ περὶ τοῦ ὄντος, λογικός, the name Sophistes is so —
far acknowledged by Plato himself, as in an allusion to it |
which occurs in the succeeding dialogue, the form of reference
used is ἐν τῷ σοφιστῇ: 1. 6. “in discussing or defining the
Sophist.”” And nothing can be more explicit than the manner
in which this subject is proposed for definition in the opening
scene. Yet it may not unnaturally appear to many readers
that the remaining words, although of less authority, describe
more accurately the real subject of the dialogue, in which, it
may be thought, either two distinct inquiries are sought to be
combined by a tour de force, or the former of these is only
the occasion, excuse, or starting-point for the latter.
The questions which occupy the largest and certainly the
most important place are concerned with the nature of nega-
tion, the relativity of ideas, and the defects of early speculation
on the idea of Being.
It may not seem obvious why these metaphysical questions
should be necessarily involved in the study of a class of per-
sons whose procedure and influence was a matter of historical
fact; or, again, supposing it necessary to raise and discuss
such difficulties, why they might not have been equally sug-
gested by some other example. We should bear in mind,
first, the extremely abstract and general manner in which
Plato looks at every problem; the rarity of the metaphysical
atmosphere in which he lived. Rightly or wrongly, he passed.
at once from the simplest to the deepest matters of thought:
2 Such an allusion to a previous dialogue is rare in Plato, and can hardly be
paralleled except from the Timeus and Laws.
INTRODUCTION TO THE SOPHIST. xlvii
like one possessed with a great passion, “‘ examples, gross as
earth,” suggested to him the same themes, always old and
always new. Just as, in the Philebus, the distinction of
pleasures into good and bad suggests the problem of the one
and the many, the description of. the Sophist as a “ phantastic
artist” raises the whole question of the existence of the appa-
rent beside the real. But, secondly, the connexion of thought,
though at first sight remote, is, in this case at least, far from
being arbitrary or accidental. As the question is a cardinal
one, so is the instance by which the question is introduced.
Plato is not merely clothing an ontological discussion in the
garb of flesh and blood: it is at least equally true that in the
ontological problem he sums up the difficulties of life and
experience in the most abstract form: difficulties and con-
tradictions which he had elsewhere illustrated with dramatic
power. And the name Sophistes itself expresses a provisional
generalization, or vindemiatio prima. As in the Theetetus,
the theory “ Each man the measure of truth to himself” is the
' most general expression for all opinion that is not founded
in reason, so the Sophist, even before definition, is, as he is
described in the Republic, only the conscious reflection and
embodiment of ordinary thought.
The fact remains, however, that the dialogue is naturally
divided into two main portions, one of which is enclosed or
embedded in the other. In the opening and concluding passages
(I.) an attempt is made to form a definite conception of the
genus Sophist by the method of dichotomies, i.e. through
logical divisions to follow the ramifications of the tree of know-
ledge till the particular branch which supports him is dis-
covered. But there is a point (p. 236 d) at which this series
of divisions is interrupted by what is formally a long digres-
sion, but really the most serious part of the whole (II.), where
instead of dividing and subdividing, the mind is carried up to
reconsider the first principles on which this method of distinc-
tions, and all criticism and controversy, rest; in other words,
to examine the meaning of negation, which cannot be deter-
mined without also examining the nature of positive concep-
) tions. When this question has been set at rest, the divisions
are resumed (p. 264 b), and a definition is obtained, in which
the interlocutors acquiesce with more satisfaction than is
ΧΙΎΠΙ INTRODUCTION
usually expressed at the conclusion of a Socratic dialogue.
It will be convenient to treat these portions separately.
In I. the problem is presented in the concrete, but still
in a very general aspect. According to the habit of Socratic |
induction it 15 assumed that the name Sophist, though applied |
to a great variety of persons, has one meaning, which may
be ascertained by a process of definition: just as the word |
‘angler,’ which is defined as a preliminary example, has one |
meaning which can be clearly conceived and expressed. A |
modern respondent might have questioned this assumption |
at the outset, and have challenged Socrates to proye that the ©
word had the same meaning when applied to the poets by
Pindar, to the geometers by Socrates himself, to Zeno who
denied motion, to the Heracliteans who denied all else, to the
philologer Prodicus, and the astronomer Hippias, to Gorgias
who ignored speculative truth, and to Protagoras who held
every proposition to be of equal value. The possibility of
such a doubt does not occur to Plato. He has in his mind a
very simple, but a very sweeping distinction, for which the
names σοφιστὴς and φιλόσοφος afforded the most convenient
expression: a distinction which occurred to him when he com-
pared Socrates with other teachers, and which it was the work
of his life to make clear to himself and others. This was the
distinction between real and apparent Knowledge; the real
knowledge which Socrates sought, and the apparent know-
ledge which the others professed. In the Phedrus and Gorgias
he had shewn that the so-called art of rhetoric had no scien-
tific basis: in the Protagoras and Meno, that the virtue which
was commonly praised and which the public teachers professed
to give was the result of habit and common opinion and not
of principle: in the Euthydemus, he had ridiculed the process
of mere verbal argument as contrasted with the real treatment
of logical difficulties: in many places he had satirized the
practice of receiving fees for teaching. The present inquiry is
more general than any of these; and is also restricted to the
consideration of the Sophist in the highest and most technical
sense, in which he is distinguished from the rhetorician and other
artists, as the professor of knowledge and teacher of virtue.
It was only in this aspect that the Sophist could compete with
the philosopher. The name might be applied to particular
TO THE SOPHIST.
xlix
artists, such as the poct or geometer, but only incidentally ;
and their partial claims were absorbed in the universal pre-
tensions of the Sophist par excellence. Further, these pre-
tensions are here idealized: for it is doubtful whether even
Gorgias or Hippias, who were ready to answer all comers,
earried their professions to the extent described in pp. 232, 233.
The nearest approach to an equally general statement of the
question is made in the Protagoras, pp. 312 b—314 6, where
Hippocrates is told that he is going to give his mind up to a
Sophist without knowing what a Sophist is. “It is not enough
to know that he is an artist, without knowing what is his par-
ticular work.” (p. 312 ¢,d,e.) ‘Perhaps he is a merchant or
retail-dealer in the food of the mind. Take care that he does
not cheat us by praising his wares. Tor, if we buy them, we
cannot examine them, until we have received them in our own
persons either for good or ill®.” (pp. 313 e—314 Ὁ. Compare
Soph. 223, 224.) Here there is the same assumption, which
appears in the “ Sophist,” that the common name implies a
common nature. But the analysis of the conception is carried
only a little way, and the characteristic chosen is external
merely, (a sufficient answer to those who suspect these dialogues
because the grounds of distinction which are adopted in them
are sometimes superficial).
To return. Although no doubt is entertained that there is
ἃ common nature answering to the name Sophist, this nature
is, however, by no means easily found. “ The creature is wily
and dangerous, and must be hunted with caution and good
heed.” “He is not to be caught with one hand: we must lay
our snares in every path, till we have surrounded him.”
Whether or not the task was rightly chosen, it was no mean
(19 e), where the itinerant habits of the
Sophist are said to disqualify him for the
task of conceiving the true state in act :
in the Thesetetus, where it is said that
b Other scattered hints respecting
the Sophists are found in the Meno,
where Anytus, who abhors them, can-
not tell what they are, but knows that
they are the ruin of their pupils: to
which Socrates replies, “‘ Perhaps there
is something in that” (καὶ ἴσως τι λέ-
yeis): in the Republic, where they are
regarded more as an effect than as a
cause, as the mere reflectors of popular
opinion, only teaching men what they
desire to be taught: in the Timzus
those who have “πὸ need of Socrates,”
i.e. no genuine impulse towards philo-
sophy, “ may profit by the converse of
Prodicus, or of other wise and Heayen-
taught men :” and in the Gorgias (520),
where Socrates asserts that it is diffi-
cult to distinguish the Rhetor from the
᾽
Sophist.
| INTRODUCTION
effort of generalization, to include in one notion persons 80
different as Protagoras and Hippias, and still more to embrace
the versatile activity of any of them in one description. This
meant little else than to express in one formula the intellectual
spirit of the age. Plato shews his consciousness of this diffi-
culty, and at the same time finds an occasion for satire, by
giving four distinct classifications, according to each of which
the Sophist may be referred to a different genus, while even
under the same genus it is not always clear to which of the
lesser species he belongs. To begin with the most obvious —
characteristic, all art having been first divided into acquisi- ©
tive and creative, the Sophist is seen to angle for rich young
men, and is accordingly ranged with the angler under the
art of hunting, or catching by guile, which is one of the two
main branches of appropriation without consent: which was
previously distinguished from acquisition by contract. This
aspect of him is treated playfully. He is the congener of the
angler, with whom he parts company when they reach the art
of hunting live things—the Sophist turning to rich meadow-
lands of youth, which are irrigated by rivers of wealth. There
he pursues, not like other huntsmen a wild, but a tame quarry,
(at least if man is tame): nor this, as kidnappers and warriors
do, by force, but by persuasion. And he persuades, not hke
the lawyers, in public, but in private: not like the lover, at his
own expense, but for reward: and this, not like the flatterer’s
reward, a bare maintenance from hand to mouth, but in the
form of money. (218 c—223 Ὁ.)
This last touch is made the basis of a new line of definition,
starting from the other main branch of acquisition, viz. ex-
change. According to this, the Sophist is a merchant of
mental wares: which may be either taken at second-hand and
exported from city to city, in which case the Sophist is an
itinerant trader; or he may be a retail dealer, or a manu-
facturer, in his own city. (223 c—224 e°.)
Plato next fixes on a characteristic of a less trivial kind, to
which he refers afterwards as the most essentially distinctive of
those which have been put forward. The Sophist talks, as has
been said, to men in private on a great variety of topics; but
his conversations have one feature in common. They are con-
¢ It is curious that paid teaching as re-admitted to Plato’s favour in the
well as the “ Rhetoric of Nestor” are Laws.
TO THE SOPHIST. li
troversial. He is a controversialist and a teacher of the art
of controversy. This brings him under the remaining branch
of acquisition without consent, namely, forcible acquisition or
contention: the art of open, as opposed to that of secret, appro-
priation. Not that the Sophist is here viewed as acquiring know-
ledge, but, as one engaged in preventing others from making
good a position by argument, he is said to be concerned with
acquisition (ef. p. 219 6: ᾿Επειδὴ δημιουργεῖ μὲν οὐδὲν τούτων, τὰ
δὲ ὄντα καὶ γεγονότα τὰ μὲν χειροῦται λόγοις καὶ πράξεσι τὰ δὲ
τοῖς χειρουμένοις οὐκ ἐπιτρέπει). He contends, then, not with
bodily but mental force; not with long arguments, as in court,
but through brief questions and replies: not on the infinity of
details about which men wrangle, but on the general nature of
the Just and Unjust, and of all other things: not, like some
wearisome talkers, to the injury of his property, but (to note
this point once more) to the increase of his gains. The So-
phist’s procedure is here characterized as essentially abstract
and negative: being distinguished by the former quality from
ordinary converse, and by the latter from positive science and
philosophy. (225 a—226 a.) It is not immediately apparent,
however, how, under this description, the work of the Sophist is
to be distinguished from the work of Socrates, except by the
outward symptom that the one becomes rich by his trade and
the other poor. And accordingly the two are brought into close
companionship in the remarkable passage which follows. (226 b-
231 a). Controversy is, or should be, an art of separating the
false from the true, of determining what propositions are not
tenable. And this amounts to a most valuable purification of
the mind. For of separation there are two kinds, the sepa-
ration of like from like and the purgation of the good from
the evil: and of mental evils there are two kinds, that civil
war of reason and passion which is the disease of the soul, and
ignorance, or spiritual ugliness, which is either conscious or
unconscious. Unconscious ignorance is the last stage of mental
deformity. And it is from this that men are freed when they
are asked questions about something which they think they
know, and are thus purged from the obstructions of conceit,
without which purgation no learning will do them any good.
This process is no other than the Elenchus. Shall we attri-
bute this to the Sophist? Plato stands in doubt.
h 2
lil INTRODUCTION
We are thus led from observing a feature of the Sophist
which any one might verify, to a theory of his end or function
which is only temporarily admitted, and from which some-
thing is at once detracted. Jor the value of his office, as a
purifier of the mind, clearly depends in some measure on the
reality of the arguments by which he convinces men of error.
And these are presently shewn to be unreal. Yet Plato had
a meaning in assigning to him this function even provisionally :
and we have here perhaps the most striking appreciation of a
contemporary phase of thought which is to be found in ancient
philosophy. For it is the simple truth that Protagoras and
Gorgias did imperfectly and unconsciously a part of the same
work which Socrates did thoroughly and consciously: that
their reasonings were to be valued chiefly for their negative
results: that in breaking up the ground of old beliefs they
did indispensable service as the pioneers of philosophy: and
that this clearing of the way, by the application of a shrewd
and fearless intellect to all matters sacred and profane, fami-
liar and unfamiliar, and that chiefly in the way of question
and denial, was a necessary step of progress, as it was cer-
tainly the most widely-spread intellectual phenomenon of the
generation which immediately preceded Socrates. The differ-
ence between him and them, which is left unnoticed here
though implied in what follows,—partly because the historical
Socrates no longer exactly squared with Plato’s ideal,—is that
the Sophist disputes as if he knew; Socrates asks questions
as one desiring to know: the Sophist is contented with de-
molishing an opponent’s theory, he is not conscious of any
further aim; with Socrates each negative result is valued at
once as a liberation of the mind from error, and as a forward
step towards the positive apprehension of truth. This union
or balance of the positive with the negative “arm,” it is
Plato’s aim in this dialogue to vindicate and preserve. Thus
the History of Philosophy, although not endorsing the assump-
tion with which Plato sets out, that the common name Sophist
must be significant of a common nature, confirms his estimate
of the general tendency and common function of those to
whom he assigns the name.
Up to this point all is tentative and uncertain: and the
definitions hitherto obtained are phenomenal merely. This is
TO THE SOPHIST. 11]
manifest from their number and variety. For of an object
which is fully comprehended there is one adequate definition
and only one. In order to come nearer to understanding the
Sophist’s nature, we take up again the definition which appeared
most suggestive, that which described his procedure as contro-
versial. This art of controversy or disputation embraces all
topics in heaven and earth. And those who admire the
Sophist believe him to know all the things about which he
disputes. This pretension refutes itself, for omniscience is not
given to man. The essence of the Sophist is that he pretends
to a knowledge which is unreal. Thus the disguises of our
Proteus are stripped off, and we see him in his true colours,
neither as a huntsman, nor as a merchant, nor as an intellectual
wrestler, nor as a physician of the soul, but as the master of an
art of illusion: a juggler, who imposes with the appearance of
knowledge on inexperienced minds: just as the painter can pass
off his shows for realities on the more thoughtless amongst
young children. Hence he belongs to the multifarious class of
imitators, or likeness-makers, and, not to dwell at present on
the cardinal difficulty which this new notion involves, he is
brought once more under a different summum genus. Hitherto,
his race has been derived, by different lines, from the art of
“ vetting,” his origin must now be referred to the art of
“making,” all art having been at first divided into these two
branches. ‘ Creation” is Divine and Human, and each of these
again is divided according as the thing made is real or only a
likeness of what is real. A dream, for instance, is a divinely-
made likeness or illusion. A picture may be called a humanly-
made dream. Of human likeness-making there are two kinds:
one where the likeness is real, the other where the likeness is
only apparent and relative to the individual who sees the like-
ness. The Sophist’s arguments belong to this more shadowy or
“phantastic” kind. And here he works not with instruments,
but with his own person; not with knowledge of the things he
imitates, namely, justice and virtue, but only having opinion
respecting them: not innocently thinking that he knows them,
but hiding a guilty consciousness of charlatanry. By pausing
here we should include the public speaker, who is the counter-
feit of the statesman as the Sophist is of-the philosopher.
He, however, imposes on the public in lengthened addresses,
liv INTRODUCTION
whereas the Sophist’s business, as we have already said, is, by
brief arguments, to compel individuals to contradict themselves.
(281 c—236 a, 265 a—268.) The name is thus restricted to
the dialectical as distinguished from the rhetorical aspect of the
false use of the intellect. This is a distinction which Plato had
not always observed: and in treating individual Sophists it
was not easy to do so, for the two characters were often com-
bined in the same person. Protagoras, for instance, as we learn
from Plato’s dialogue of that name, professed himself to be
equally a master of copiousness and brevity. And Socrates ob-
serves in the Gorgias that Sophists and rhetoricians are mixed
up together, and know not what to make of one another, nor
do other men know what to make of them4. But Plato is here
describing the ideal Sophist: and the function of fallacious
scientific argument is ideally distinguishable from that of
speaking so as to influence the feelings. The word 15, how-
ever, allowed to regain the more extended application in Polit.
291 b, 303 Ὁ:
Σοφιστική is here characterized as a method, and is to philo-
sophy what ἀντιλογική is to διαλεκτική, What disputation is to
scientific inquiry. It is possible that while restricting the
application of the term on one side, Plato here extends it on
another beyond the limits of his own habitual use, so as to
include some of his own brethren of the Socratic family. He
perhaps indicates that the Eristic tendency, which was growing
strong by this time amongst the pupils of Kuclides of Megara,
was defective in some of the elements of a true philosophy.
The reason for thinking that he means this is not merely the
emphatic mention of the art of controversy, which Plato is fond
of distinguishing from real inquiry®, but the direction of the
whole dialogue against the extreme of Eleatic doctrine, on
which we know that the Megarian logic was based. This
hypothesis also accounts for the Sophist being identified with
a picture of the cross-examining spirit, which, as Mr. Grote
4 He tells Callicles afterwards (p. Rep. 5, 454 a—c; Phd. go ἢ, tore;
520 a) that the Sophist is superior to Theet.164¢; Men.8o0e. In this enu-
the Rhetor, as the lawgiver is to the meration the description of the young
judge: i.e. the Sophist furnishes the dialecticians in Phileb. 15 d 6, should
Rhetor with ideas and arguments. uot be omitted: with which compare
© The chief passages in which Plato also Rep. 7, 539 Ὁ.
censures ἀντιλογική are the following:
TO THE SOPHIST. ly
observes, not only resembles Socrates, but resembles no one
else. For the Megarians followed Socrates in refuting
opinions: but departed from him by separating the negative
process from the inductive aim, and, in directing their method
to the resolution of phenomena, and the establishment by this
means of an abstract being, or goodness, or thought, returned
partially to the dogmatism of Zeno.
There are a few detached points which it will be well to
notice before we turn from this frame-work of satirical defini-
tion to the larger and more dialectical portion of the dialogue.
1. Though the Sophist is of course an artist anda man of
science (for the definition proceeds through a classification
of the sciences), yet the science of learning and knowing (76
μαθηματικὸν---εἶδος ὅλον τῶν τεχνῶν Kal TO τῆς γνωρίσεως) is the
only heading of those introduced at first, viz.;
(ποιητική----κτητική
τς πράτ τ - ὙΠ μι
μαθηματικὴ καὶ χρηματ- ἀγων- θηρευτ-
γνωριστική LOTLKN LOTUKN ική);
under which no attempt is made to bring him. This touch
of satire can hardly be unintentional.
2. The variety of definitions to which we are led by the
process of dichotomies when applied to the Sophist, not only
shews that his nature is difficult to grasp, but also proves the
method to be one-sided and inadequate. The angler, an artist,
by the way, who is known to Homer (Od. 4, 369), has easily
a place assigned him, because the conception of his art, when
analysed, is not found to contain elements which are imper-
fectly known. But the activity of the Sophist is complex and
various ; and when the principle, on which his other traits
depend, is at last found, this leads the way to difficulties,
which the process of mere logical distinction is powerless to
resolve. And this for two reasons: because the difficulty lies
in that notion of absolute difference on which the method itself
rests; and because for the solution of the difficulty there is
required the complementary notion of combination, commu-
nion, correlation: which division cannot dispense with indeed
(since the members of each division are unities and general
forms), but throws into the background. δΔιακριτικὴ needs to
be supplemented by συγκριτική : the διαλεκτικὸς only knows
lvi INTRODUCTION
when and how. Hence it is further necessary to examine how
the two great categories of sameness and difference, on which
this double process depends, are related to each other in their
most abstract form f.
3. The idea of purification, connected here with the Elen-
chus, or negative dialectic, and in the Politicus with the banish-
ment of offending members from the state (this being a political
as the former was a mental purgation), though in both places
illustrated from the art of medicine, probably originated in
the mysteries and was derived by Plato from a Pythagorean
source. Compare the καθαρμοί of Empedocles, and see pp.
80-82 of the Phedo. It may be noticed that, in the Phedo,
the notion of impurity is associated with all that is sensible
and bodily, as contrasted with the ideal: in these dialogues
the evils deprecated are falsehood in the mind and wickedness
in the state, which are only mythically identified with the
corporeal element, and purification is the separation of the evil
from the good.
4. The comprehension under one heading of the processes
of dialectic, pharmacy, ablution, scouring, sweeping, and even
clothes-brushing, gives rise to the remark that scientific method
ignores all those distinctions of worth, respectability, triviality,
and baseness, which rest on feeling and habit, and looks only
on those resemblances and differences which are acknowledged
by Reason. This may be compared with the saying of Parme-
nides to the youthful Socrates, that when philosophy has taken
hold of him as it will one day take hold, he will no longer have
regard to the opinions of men, but will view all things, however
vulgar or base, in the light of Universal Forms. On this point
enough has perhaps been said in the notes. But there is some-
thing extremely characteristic of the spirit of these dialogues,
in the mixture of scientific calmness and ironical satisfaction
with which the high things of this world are thus brought to
the level of the meanest 8.
is only partially applicable.
g Compare the treatment of rhetoric
f See the passage of the Politicus
(285 d) where the argument from ex-
ample is vindicated on the ground that
the highest subjects have no analogies
which are immediately palpable to
sense. It is to such as these that
classification, as a method of definition,
Υ
in the Gorgias as coordinate with cook-
ing, and in the Huthydemus as a de-
partment of magic (τῆς τῶν ἐπῴδων
τέχνη").
TO THE SOPHIST. lvil
5. The form of evil from which deliverance is effected by
refutation deserves a passing notice, although the thought is
one of the most familiar to readers of Plato: the greatest igno-
rance, i.e. ignorance which the mind mistakes for knowledge.
So the false statesmen are said to have the greatest ignorance
of the greatest of all subjects, in that they are ignorant of
statecraft, when they think they are most certainly informed
of this, And in the analysis of the ridiculous, in the Philebus,
the same bad eminence is given to the conceit of knowledgei.
(See also Legg. g, 863 ¢.) Yet in the conclusion of this
dialogue it would seem as though unconscious ignorance were
the less culpable ; for the Sophist is defined as having a guilty
suspicion that all is not right within. The inconsistency of
these two views does not seem to be noticed by Plato, who
would probably, however, have said, if he had been taxed with
it, ‘ that he meant by conscious ignorance, the ignorance of one
desirous to know.’
Still, the notion of a state of ignorance acquiesced in, not-
withstanding a suspicion that it exists, is hardly reconcileable
with the Socratic principle, which is here made the ground
of the Socratic cross-examination, that no soul is willingly
ignorant of anything.
The more practical view, which is turned to the disadvantage
of the Sophist as an “ironical mimic,” belongs to the later
phase of Platonism. See the passage in the ninth book of the
Laws, already quoted, where an attempt is made to reconcile
the theory that injustice is never voluntary, with legislation
for the exemption from punishment of involuntary crime.
6. Plato’s later manner may also be detected in the grave
digression, suggested by the logical distinction of the Art of
Making into Divine and human, in which it is solemnly
asserted that the world was made by God in accordance with
Reason, and not by the spontaneous working of Nature or
Chance. The tune of this passage closely resembles that of
the tenth book of the Laws: where the persuasive demon-
stration, the λόγος μετὰ πειθοῦς ἀναγκαίας here spoken of, is
applied to an imaginary case. The strong reprobation in
which the opposite view is held, and the moral and religious
fervour with which the answer of Theztetus is received, are
h Polit. 302 a. i Phileb. 48 e. k Laws, 861-864.
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in keeping with the impressive solemnity and earnestness of
Plato’s latest writings. (See especially Legg. 10, 889.)
II, In defining the Sophist as an illusory controversialist,
we seem to have caught him in our net; but we only seem to
have caught him: for by his controversial art he will prove
that our net is non-existent, and as we are allowed no weapons
but arguments, to be refuted is to fail. However shameless
it may appear for a controversialist, who is daily detecting
falsehood, to say that falsehood is impossible, he will use this
argument in self-defence, and we must meet his logie with a
higher logic or give up the battle. Our object will not merely
be to refute him, for that would be after all only a controver-
sial victory like his, but to throw fresh light upon the whole
question which his art confuses,—that of the nature and cor-
relation of the affirmative and negative elements in thought,
or, according to the more objective mode of conception which
Plato still preserves, of Being and Not-Being.
Thus we are led at once to the most abstract form of the
inquiry, the nature of the negative idea; even the relation of
this idea to a subject being through the greater part of the
discussion left out of view. The Sophist 15 accused of making
a false impression. But to speak of false impressions is to assert
an existence which is in the same breath denied—to predicate
reality of the unreal. Is this possible? That depends on the
meaning of the word not, and of the word eaistence, and their
relation to each other. This question has a double bearing on
the Sophist, of whose definition we are in search. If it is
proved that this combination of existence and non-existence is
possible, he exists, but his foundation is insecure, for his con-
troversial art is based on the absolute mutual exclusion of these
alternatives. If on the other hand his art is sound, he escapes
refutation, but only by proving his own non-existence. There
is hardly to be mistaken in the dialogue this twofold refer-
ence, which is not a little perplexing to the modern reader,
a reference on the one hand to the problem of the existence
of phenomena, one of the deepest of all to Plato, and, on the
other, to the oppositions of false science, that “last decom-
position of the reason, which consisted in separating everything
from all things!’ Yet both this error and that difficulty
1 Soph. 259 e.
TO THE SOPHIST. lix
are included in the sweeping generalization of the μὴ ov, and
both are met by the new formula of the Relativity of Negative
Expressions. This has also a bearing, as Plato did not fail
to discover, on the method of logical divisions. Diwresis
cannot be safely used apart from Synagégée. Classes mutually
exclusive are still to be viewed in their relations to each other.
The mind must not be dazzled by difference, so as to overlook
resemblance, nor by resemblance, so as to neglect true differ-
ences. By a resuscitation of the Heraclitean principle in the
world of mind, it is again found that the objects of thought are
held asunder and together at once (διαφερόμενον ἀεὶ συμφέ-
pera). And thus the notion of Being is not less modified than
the notions of Appearance and the Negation of Being. For
Being can be no longer held as a mere Absolute, but stands
related to Not-Being, which it differs from, and yet includes.
Here also it appears to the modern reader as if conceptions,
which are to him radically distinct, are blended, not to say
confused. For Being seems to be conceived at once logically,
as the positive in thought and speech, and metaphysically, as
an ‘‘hypostatized” idea.
But in order to enter into Plato’s meaning, it is necessary to
study his position in this dialogue, as he has in some measure
enabled us to do, historically.
The fallacies which we find satirized in the Euthydemus are
chiefly of two kinds; in one of which all resemblance or analogy
is supposed to imply identity and to exclude the notion of
difference, while in the other all difference is conceived as
absolute difference, exclusive of all resemblance and relation:
‘If I know one thing, I know all things, for I cannot know
and not know ;’ ‘If Zeus is my God, he is mine to do what I
please with him;’ ‘That which is different from the idea of
beauty cannot be beautiful, and so on. And thus all propo-
sitions except identical propositions are declared impossible, a
theory which Aristotle imputes to the followers of Antisthenes.
Another paradox, which is likewise attributed to the Cynic,
appears in the same dialogue,— the impossibility of negative
argument (μὴ εἶναι ἀντιλέγειν). The above is a humorous
picture of the same notions with which Plato deals seriously in
the present dialogue. That the same cannot be different, nor
the different the same; that predication is impossible, that is,
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Ix INTRODUCTION
there can be no relation between different ideas; above all,
that falsehood cannot be disproved, for that to deny existence,
while naming existence, involves a contradiction in terms,—
these are in substance the very theories which Plato here
undertakes to modify. Now in accounting for these aberra-
tions of thought, to say that the Organon did not yet exist, is
to state what, though true and important to remember, does
not afford a sufficient explanation—daAnlés μέν, οὐθὲν δὲ σαφές.
It is true that in the shape in which they then appeared,
they could have no strength now. But their strength then
lay in a mode of thought, which prevailed very extensively
in that age, and which had exercised a more powerful
influence over Plato himself than any other except that of
Socrates; a mode of thought derived in great part uncon-
sciously from the philosophy of Parmenides and the dialectic
of Zeno: the same which appears in such assumptions (familiar
to the student of the Theetetus) as that Socrates ill is a
different man from Socrates well (Thext. 159 b), and that
everything must be either known or not known by the mind
(Ib. 188 a). This may be described as the tendency to view
every subject in the light of abstract alternatives: to apply
the language of logic immediately to the sensible world: to
reject as matter of fact that which cannot at once be formu-
lated as an idea. This “disease,” as we can imagine him to
have called it, Plato here traces to its origin in the teaching
of Parmenides, and thus redeems the promise made by
Socrates in the Theeetetus, there not fulfilled, to examine the
deep wisdom of this man: the greatest of those who uphold
the indissoluble unity of Being. (Thezt. 183 e.) In doing so,
he not only confutes others who had pushed the tendency in
question to an extreme, (he rather uses them as a beacon to
indicate where the truth does not lie,) but, what is of more
importance, develops further, or at least defines more clearly,
his own central point of view. or he also had yielded to the
charm of “the Eleatic Palamedes” and had held Parmenides
“in reverence and awe:” nor had the dominance of this idea
been merely logical, but had amounted to a speculative convic-
tion, may we not even say, a theological belief?
We cannot tell whether this impression had at all been
derived from Socrates, whom he has represented as meeting
TO THE SOPHIST. Ix
with the philosopher in early youth. Socrates may have
spoken of Parmenides, as he did of Heraclitus, though his
own work in philosophy was independent of all influence from
without. At all events it is quite possible that even during
the time of his converse with Socrates, Plato may haye been
attracted towards the Eleatic School. His master’s influence
was unobtrusive, not hindering the accretion of ideas from all
sides, and only after his death would be found to “ comprehend
all other.” It was probably at a still earlier time that Plato’s
interest and curiosity was excited by the fine discourses and
immense popularity of Protagoras and Gorgias; and it is
certain, on the authority of Aristotle, that his first deep draught
of philosophy had been received from Cratylus, who taught
him the Heraclitean doctrine that “all was motion.” This
theory, as then held by the enthusiasts of Ephesus, whom
Plato has satirized, was the secondary and less noble phase of
a great thought—that all which abides eternally is a universal
eyer-active Law of Becoming. Heraclitus was no materialist.
“‘ Matter” had no existence for him, and he denied the separate
existence of all “ Form” except the Highest Law, whose Per-
manence is Perpetual Energy. In the hands of his followers,
however, the assertion of this universal law seems to have
degenerated into a mere doctrine of the relativity of particular
being. And here the Eastern theorists were met by Zeno,
who in support of the Eleatic faith in One Sole Being, proved
that all relative existence was self-contradictory and inconceiy-
able by Reason. Time and Motion, into which the sensible
universe had already been resolved, were themselves annihi-
lated. The movement of the intellect, by which this defensive
negative process was effected, was the first conscious dialectic,
the germ of much in Plato and of more in Aristotle, and, in
conjunction with the Socratic Elenchus, the direct parent of
the method which in this dialogue, and somewhat differently
in the Parmenides, is turned against the hypothesis of the
simple absoluteness of Bemg™. But however important logi-
eally, the philosophy of Zeno, like that of Cratylus, while more
definite, was also narrower than that of his master. He had
m The Zenoniau method is “ parri- ἐστιν" ef καὶ ἔστιν, ἀκατάληπτον ἂν-
cidally”’ turned against the Eleatic θρώπῳ' εἰ καὶ καταληπτόν, ἀνερμήνευτον
doctrine in the thesis of Gorgias: οὐδέν καὶ ἀδιεξήγητον τοῖς πέλας.
Ix INTRODUCTION
descended from metaphysics to logic, and in endeavouring
to hold the Absolute against all comers had assumed an atti-
tude which was purely negative, and had adopted a method
which, though of great significance, was merely abstract, and
not directly applicable to the solution of any real problem.
Plato, however, had “ risen to the height of the great argu-
ment,” and had felt, not only the dialectical might of Zeno,
but the transcendental sublimity of Parmenides. It is possible
that he may have derived some of his own most famous
imagery from the opening lines of the poem on the Nature of
Things, where the philosophic impulse is represented as a car
drawn by swift steeds, and the philosopher as the comrade
of immortal charioteers. Be that as it may, a modern reader
can hardly imagine the effect which the impressive lines of
Parmenides must have produced on the mind of Plato, when
already convinced by Cratylus of the utter changeableness of
“all that seems.” Something analagous may have been ex-
perienced by individual students of Spinoza, Kant, or Hegel ;
but philosophical belief in modern times presents for the most
part but a faint image of the heaven of contemplation into
which Plato must have been carried away on hearing reiterated
with the eloquence of energetic faith, and proved as a neces-
sary truth of Reason, the absolute Existence of One Being,
inseparable from thought, equable, unchangeable, without
beginning and without end, with no past or future, but an
everlasting Now; however apparently discrete, yet really con-
tinuous or omnipresent, so that differences of space are done
away as completely as differences of time; whence phenomenal
distinctions of all kinds, relation, change, beginning, ending,
time, space, motion, are thrust out of sight or are seen to
vanish away.
This intellectual movement, by which we suppose Plato to
have been affected, was confirmed, but also gradually modified,
by his contemplation of the work of Socrates. In reflecting
on the manner and substance of that wonderful endless talk,
and on the ruling motive of that unswerving life, he saw the
elements of all previous speculation brought into antagonism
and yet into immediate relation with the common thoughts and
common life of men,—to whose mental and political state the
issue of that antagonism had given a deep and bitter interest.
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1
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixiil
Before the cross-questioning of Socrates, which brought men
to know the vanity of their own knowledge, the most fixed
opinions were seen first to waver, and then to disappear. This
Plato associated with the changeableness of phenomena ac-
cording to Heraclitus; which viewed subjectively becomes the
relativeness of sense, according to the doctrines of Protagoras
and Aristippus: a relativeness which at the touch of negative
dialectic, such as that of Zeno, is reduced to nothingness.
But the result of the method of Socrates was not merely
negative. His aim was to define, that is, to lay bare the one
conception which belongs universally and unalterably to each
subject of inquiry. In such a conception, if it were found, his
mind would gladly rest. This is well expressed by Aristotle,
who says that Socrates was the first who checked the aimless
eareer of thought, and fixed the mind on Definition: πρώτου
περὶ ὁρισμοὺς ἐπιστήσαντος τὴν διάνοιαν. Now there is here
implied a new and independent assertion of the Absolute; for
the endeavour of Socrates had no meaning, if the “ Know-
ledge” which he sought were less than the knowledge of that
which is always and everywhere true; if the ignorance of which
he accused himself and convinced others, were ignorance only
of the relative, the transient, or the phenomenal. But this
Absolute of Socrates differs from that of Parmenides in two
important respects.
1. The Substance or Reality of which he speaks is not
asserted as if known, but sought for as still unknown. The
Existence of Being, which Parmenides asserted with so much
vehemence, is taken for granted, and the mind is called away
from the absorbing contemplation of this truth to the consi-
deration of a new problem, which may be thus stated gene-
rally : “ What is Being? or What is the form of Bemg?” The
change of mental attitude expressed in these few words,—from
asserting ‘ Being is” to asking “ What is Being?” is of the
highest importance; for without the consciousness which is
here evolved, that knowledge is a synthesis of a less general
with a more general notion, the growth of science would have
been arrested. Philosophers would have been contented with
either assigning universality to some particular thing, or, like
the Eleatics, excluding the particular from cognition.
2. Further, he did not ask the question in this merely
Ixiv INTRODUCTION
abstract form: he implied an absolute standard of truth and
good; but, as the word ‘‘ good” reminds us, his inquiries had
an immediate bearing on the life of men. Hence, instead of
attempting at once to solve the problem, “ What is Being ?”
he sought to determine “ What is righteous, what is un-
righteous, what is a state, what is the true statesman, what
is government, what is it to be fit to govern?’ The solution
of these problems was approached by what Bacon would have
called a process of exclusions, through a series of hypotheses,
which were successively modified or relinquished when in some
case not found to apply to the subject of definition. And while
things commonly confused were thus distinguished, things
commonly distinguished (e.g. folly and madness) were not less
unexpectedly combined.
3. The personal attributes of Socrates enhanced this union of
the universal with the particular, and of the abstract with the
concrete, in his method of talk. The eye that was fixed on
the unchangeableness of truth and right, was the same which
pierced through and through the follies of his contemporaries ;
the lofty soul had a cynical exterior, the widest generalizations
were hidden beneath the meanest instances, the imperturbable,
urbane, ironical demeanour, helped to bring the dry light of
reason into continual, immediate contact with the ifinite
anomalies of opinion and action; the strange being, unlike
all other men, had a direct, unmistakeable influence on almost
all. By contrast with him the hollowness of all pretence, espe-
cially in other teachers, was clearly seen, while his example
gave the appearance of meanness to those who taught for pay.
Yet he was the first to admit their individual excellences and
accomplishments; while in conversation with him their real
characteristics, their strength as well as their weakness, were
most truly manifested.
Thus with Socrates began a philosophic movement which
in some elements was kindred to the Eleatic, but radically
different in others ;—kindred, because vindicating by the refu-
tation of falsehood an ideal truth; different, because inductive
in method, and practical as well as speculative in ultimate aim
—identifying truth with good.
But in continuing and interpreting this movement, Plato at
first dwelt consciously rather on the former than the latter
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixv
aspect of Socratic thought; rather on the absolute contrast
between the actual state of human opinion and the ideal of
Knowledge, than on the nature of Knowledge as implying a
relation of the mind to “ Being,” or of the Universal to the
Particular. This, as may be gathered indirectly from this dia-
logue, was partly due to the prevalence of the Eleatic impulse
—the conviction, namely, of the incommunicable perfection of
abstract Being, the sole object of Knowledge or true thought:
but partly also to the general law by which belief always
precedes criticism. The problem of the post-Socratic philo-
sophy for those who did not hold with Antisthenes that Defi-
nition was merely nominal, was, granting the possibility of
Knowledge and the existence of general forms, 1. What is
Knowledge? 2. What are the εἴδη And, from the objective
character of the Greek philosophy, the first of these two ques-
tions was chiefly, although not wholly, studied in the light of
the second. In other words, the effort of Socrates was to find
the εἶδος of man, justice, temperance, &c.; that of his followers
was to find the nature of the εἶδος generally. But, just as the
Existence of Being was asserted, before any one thought of
asking, What is Being? so, in entering on this new stage of
thought, Plato believes in Knowledge and the Ideas before he
examines them, and his dialectic is for a time coloured with a
haze of imagination. He is at first contented with declaring
that Knowledge is the only real ground of virtue, and that
accordingly all virtue is essentially one. Presently a question
rises about the Origin of Knowledge—How can Knowledge
have a beginning? For how can a man inquire into what he
does not know? How are we to conceive the transition from
ignorance to certainty? This question is answered, as Plato
elsewhere answers questions which are not ripe for solution,
mythically. We learn by recollection, as appears from the
lessons of geometry where the teacher leads the pupil to draw
forth from his own mind what the moment previously he did
not know. Thus the “ Eristic” objection is removed, that a
man cannot inquire about either what he knows or what he
does not know: and the anticipation of poetry and prophecy,
that we are immortal beings, is confirmed. To learn is to
awaken slumbering knowledge. ‘The Soul has been every-
where and has seen all things, and therefore must have known
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all things before coming hither: and if she can recover one
thing only, there is hope that she may by courageous efforts
regain the rest.” (Men. 81.) By this hypothesis the true
objects of knowledge are relegated to another world than this
and to a previous life. The objects of sense remind us of them
through a process of association. (Phedo.) These Eternal
Forms the Soul beheld in her first flight, ere she lost her
wings, when the impulse of the higher love carried her amongst
immortal chariots, beyond the visible sphere, into the plain
of truth, where Beauty, Justice, Temperance, Wisdom, dwell
eternally, not as they are imagined but as they are known.
(Pheedr.)
This is the poetical mode of conceiving of the ideas, in
which Plato embodied the feelings of wonder and delight with
which he contemplated the first real inquiry which the world
had seen. The object and end of that inquiry appeared to
him surrounded with a mystic halo,—like his own image of
Beauty, lightening from a transcendent height,—annihilating
and making worthless the shadows which surround us here.
But Plato was far from resting in this as a final theory
of Knowledge. His belief in immortality and pre-existence
remained, it is true; but did not supersede other inquiries con-
cerning the ideas, which were wholly independent of such a
theory, and proceeded simply by experience and reflection.
Thus in the Republic, the vision of the ideas in their purity,
without help from sense, is the goal towards which the mind is
allowed to climb up the ladder of hypotheses, and although we
hear of an intellectual region, the context shews this language
to be metaphorical, rather than mythological as in the Phedrus
and Phedon. The line is still drawn sharply and broadly be-
tween Being as the object of knowledge and Not-Being as the
object of ignorance; but, first, an intermediate state, having for
object the changeable, which is and is not, is crudely imagined,
and, at a later period of the discussion (bk. vii.), the succes-
sive steps by which the mind rises from the lowest ignorance -
to the highest knowledge are supplied. No mention is made
of recollection, unless we count as such the mythical account of
Lethe in bk. x.; and immediately after the allegory of the cave,
in which the sensible has been represented as the copy of the
ideal world, we have a piece of psychological analysis, in which
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixvil
the idea is spoken of as the universal element evolved by
Reason from the impressions of Sense. ‘ Intelligence is called
in to determine between the contrarieties of sense. I see two
fingers, one large the other small. Sight gives me opposite im-
pressions respecting objects which are alike. But sight cannot
answer the questions which the mind cannot but ask hereupon.
Is this puzzling impression one, or two? If two, then each is
one, and soon. Thus intelligence distinguishes between great
and small, which in the sensation of vision were confused.
And then only are we induced to ask the question which
reason suggests, ‘ What is the nature of greatness and small-
ness?’ The ideas thus distinguished are objects of Reason,
the former confused impression was received through sight.”
(Vil. 524.)
Such a relation between intelligence and sensation is ac-
knowledged even in the Phedrus, in the midst of the mythical
description of the Plain of Truth: Δεῖ yap ἄνθρωπον συνιέναι
Kar εἶδος λεγόμενον, ἐκ πολλῶν ἰὸν αἰσθήσεων εἰς ἕν λογισμῷ
ξυναιρούμενον : though it is immediately added, “ Now this is
recollection of what the mind has seen in a previous state.”
In both these passages the mind is seen to approach the εἴδη
through reflection on the experience of sense. The same notion
is still more clearly expressed in the Theztetus (184, 5): “ We
speak commonly of seeing with the eye, hearing with the ear,
and so forth: but in truth it is with the mind that we see and
hear, and feel and taste, and smell. The mind receives these
particular impressions through the organs of the different senses.
(Cf. Phileb. 33 ¢c.) But there are some things which the mind
perceives without any such corporeal aid. These are not par-
ticular but universal. For instance, the mind receives through
touch an impression of softness from a soft thing, of hardness
from a hard thing. But when the mind says this zs hard, a
new element arises, viz. the Being of the hardness, which is
perceived, not through any of the senses, but by the mind
alone, and the Idea of hardness is then first perceived. Fur-
ther, that hardness and softness are opposed and that the
opposition between them is real, these and the like thoughts
the mind herself determines, when she reviews and compares
the impressions which she has received through the senses.”
The idea, then, in this, which may be termed the psychological
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aspect, is that unity which the mind seeks amidst the variety of
sensible impressions, distinguishing what is confused in sense,
and uniting scattered phenomena in one conception: the uni-
versal element, which is latent in the mind’s first impression
of each object, and is disengaged by reflection to be contem-
plated by reason. The right performance of this process is
the secret of method: “to unite and divide in thought accord-
ing to natural forms, that is, according to the reality of things,
not mangling the victims like a bad sacrificer.” (Phzedr. 265 e.)
It is in connection with this logical or dialectical process that
the word εἶδος is most frequently used by Plato.
The ideas are now seen as objects of intelligence, which
remain unchanged, while the sensations through which the
mind is awakened to perceive them are perpetually giving
place to new and perhaps opposite impressions. (See Cratyl.
440.) Each is separated from the phenomena through which
it was at first recognized, in an isolation hike that of the Eleatic
Being, as the absolute in which the relative is done away: the
ἀνυπόθετον, independent of external support; the universal
absorbing the particular. But here several difficulties arise.
1. How is the absoluteness of Knowledge reconcileable with
the possibility of error? For if everything is either known or
unknown, how can that which is unknown be in any way the
object of belief? Hence the hypothesis in Rep. bk. ν. of “that
which is and is not” as the object of opinion, and the elaborate
ἀπορίαι of the Theztetus, where it is attempted to account for
error by imagining thought as a process between sensation
and memory, or between memory and memory. A nearly
parallel difficulty is put in the Parmenides. If there is no
relation between the perfect and the imperfect, man cannot
know the ideas, nor can the divine mind be cognizant of human
thoughts.
2. How can the umversal be absolute and yet embrace par-
ticulars? This or a cognate difficulty is raised in the Thex-
tetus, where it is found impossible to distinguish the whole
from the sum of the parts: the same ἀπορία is explicitly stated
in the Philebus, where it is asked, how can One exist in many
and yet be One?—and in the Parmenides, through the illus-
tration of the sail, which covers many men, but covers each
only by a part of itself. The notion of μέθεξις, which Socrates
TO THE SOPHIST.
lx1x
introduces in the Parmenides, only creates new difficulties, but
something approaching a rational solution appears in the
Philebus, where Number is seen to mediate between Unity
and Infinity.
3. Granting the existence of abstract ideas of resemblance,
difference, justice, beauty, good; shall we say that the idea of
man, or fire, or water, or, still more, of mud, dirt, hair, exist
absolutely” ? (Parm.)
4. Must not ideas be related to one another? For is not
dialectic, and even language, a movement or process between
ideas? Nay, if the idea is the cause of phenomena, must
there not be a principle of life or movement inherent in each
idea? In the Republic, for example, the operations of science
are conceived as a movement along the chain of true ideas, a
way upwards and downwards which is the same. And at the
head of this nexus of εἴδη is the form of Good, which in some
way unexplained is the cause of Being and of Knowledge. In
the Philebus also there is imagined a process between the limit
and the unlimited, the one and the many, and a cause of this
process is supposed. And in the Timeeus the Creator prepares
for his work by welding together opposite ideas. ‘Thus the
Sophist and Parmenides are not the sole response in Plato to
the challenge of Socrates, “I should admire any man who
could shew that Resemblance, Difference, Plurality, Unity,
Motion, Rest, admitted of composition and division (ἐν ἑαυτοῖς
ταῦτα δυνάμενα συγκεράννυσθαι καὶ διακρίνεσθαι... τὴν αὐτὴν
ταύτην ἀπορίαν ἐν αὐτοῖς τοῖς εἴδεσι παντοδαπῶς πλεκομένην ...
ἐπιδεῖξαι. Parm. 129 e).
5. If the idea, as Socrates urges when pressed by Par-
menides (Ib. 132 b), is a conception of the mind, yet that con-
ception must have an object, and Knowledge is in some way a
process between subject and object®, in which, if the mind is
active, the object of Knowledge must be conceived as passive.
In this way also the Eternal Form is brought back from the
n When Plato makes Parmenides ἑκάστου τῆς φύσεως ἅψασθαι ᾧ προσήκει
remark on this, “ Philosophy has ποῦ
yet acquired her final hold on you,”
he is perhaps covertly satirizing the
thoroughness of the Megarian logic.
° See Rep. 6, 490 b. Πρὶν αὐτοῦ ὃ ἔστιν
ψυχῆς ἐφάπτεσθαι τοῦ τοιούτου" προσ-
U \ ~ Ἀπ U Ν \
ἥκει δὲ ξυγγενεῖ ᾧ πλησιάσας καὶ μιγεὶς
τῷ ὄντι ὄντως, γεννήσας νοῦν καὶ ἀλή-
θειαν, γνοίη τε καὶ ἀληθῶς ζῴη καὶ τρέ-
φοιτο. καὶ οὕτω λήγοι ὠδῖνος, πρὶν δ᾽ οὔ.
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fruitless isolation in which it has been placed by the first
efforts of purely abstract thought; and the reflection rises that
Perfect Being must include the attributes of consciousness and
life, and therefore, in a certain sense, of motion. (Soph. 248.)
The difficulties which attend the hypothesis of the ideas are
at least as clearly stated by Plato as by Aristotle: and his
statements have also the advantage of being directed against
the phase of the doctrine which he knew and to which he had
been himself inclined, and not to the confused Pythagorean
fancies of his followers. The question is most clearly enun-
ciited in the Theztetus from the side of Knowledge, and in
the Parmenides from the side of Being. But those who re-
member the various fertility of Plato’s mind will not expect
the objections raised in different dialogues to be precisely the
same. He never sought to bind the play of thought in a
single formula. When it had once occurred to him to criticize
the theory of ideas, the problem was sure to be seen by him
in changing lights, although the elements of the question
remain essentially unaltered. Is each idea one or many, at
rest or in motion, isolated or related to others, limiting or
limited; is Being inanimate or endowed with life, exclusive
of particulars, or how related to them? Is it possible wholly
to separate Knowledge from sense and opinion? These, if not
the same question, form a class of questions, of the reality of
which Plato is conscious in some dialogues, but appears wholly
unconscious in others (for instance in the Pheedo and Cratylus).
The dialogues, besides the Sophist and Politicus, in which the
effect of this movement within Platonism in the mind of its
founder are most evident, are the Philebus, Timzeus, and Laws.
In the Philebus, not only is the difficulty stated at the outset,
in the form of the problem how to reconcile the antithesis
between the one and many, but the combination and resolu-
tion of ideas is elaborately exemplified, and a Cause of their
combination in reality is conceived. The earlier part of the
Timzeus contains a similar passage, and in both the author has
laboured to imagine the mode in which the ideal and corporeal
are conjoined. Both anticipate Aristotle in speaking of matter
(ἄπειρον, τιθήνη), and of a cause by which form is impressed
on matter. The Philebus has also a graduated scale of Know-
ledges, in which the knowledge of the particular and concrete,
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixxi
although regarded as “impure,” is deliberately allowed to
have a place. And in the Laws, while the εἴδη are not heard
of except as logical forms, and a higher movement (namely
that of mind) is imagined as the cause both of rest and motion
(το, 895), Plato is vehement in asserting that mind in ad its
manifestations is prior to the elements and controls them.
The object of the preceding remarks has been to shew (1)
That side by side with the poetical or metaphysical there grew
up in Plato’s mind a logical mode of conceiving the ideas ;
(2) That as he viewed them in this two-fold aspect, and saw
the latter of the two more clearly, he became conscious of the
difficulties which the theory involved; and (3) That he was
led, partly through the consideration of these difficulties, to
alter considerably his theory of Knowledge and Being: pass-
ing from the bare assertion of an absolute object of Mind, to
which he had been led by interpreting Socrates through
Parmenides, towards the Aristotelian conception of logical
categories and of Being as composed of Matter and Form by
an efficient Cause.
Turning now to the Sophist, from which we have been too
long detained, we find the elaborate treatment of a difficulty,
which is allowed to have been occasioned by the exclusiveness
of the Eleatic point of view. This difficulty is not, as in the
Philebus, how to find a meeting-point between unity and in-
finity, but one more abstract still, how to explain the possibility
of combining the positive and negative in thought. Philosophy
by aspiring to the pure form of Being had become “dark
from excess of light;” had soared beyond the ken of mortals
into an unseen heaven; and in “turning away her mind” from
that which is not—from the unreal, and therefore from nega-
tion—had deprived herself of the only weapon which could be
of any avail to her against the spurious counterfeits of herself.
She must deny as well as affirm, and she cannot deny without
giving a certain place to Not-Being. It has been already said,
that the Negative is here viewed in its ultimate abstraction.
The distinctions of Aristotle, between ψεῦδος, στέρησις, and
δύναμις or κατὰ συμβεβηκός, which he employed in criticizing
Plato, are certainly not thought of, but neither were they
required, at least in the statement of the question. For false-
hood is the object or correlative of denial, and both are equally
Ixxil INTRODUCTION
expressed whenever the word “ not” is uttered: and negation
>
“per accidens” must obviously be explained through the
theory of simple negation. The question is, does this word
“not” imply such absolute severance between the terms which
it divides, as to exclude the possibility of any relation between
them? If A is exclusive of B, is B therefore incapable of all
communion or combination with A? If so, a counterfeit of
reality is inconceivable, for it is not reality, and yet partakes
of reality in so far as it is really a counterfeit. This question
is raised not with respect to individuals, or infime species, in
which the coexistence of sameness and difference was an ad-
mitted fact (Phil. 15 d), but with respect to general ideas, and
the most universal of these, beginning with the most compre-
hensive of all ideas, viz. that of Being. The “absolute sever-
ance,’ which the injunction of Parmenides requires, between
that which Is, and that which Is Not, was the origin and type
of the spirit “which would separate each thing from every
other” (Soph. 259 e); and the correction of this deeply-rooted
tendency was necessary in order to make inquiry possible.
After a statement of the perplexities in which the notion of
Not-Being is involved according to the ordinary conception
of it as the opposite of Being, shewing that it is inconceivable
either as a predicate or as a subject, or as the object of refuta-
tion and denial; the Stranger expresses his intention, in this
desperate case, of attacking the revered authority of Par-
menides. This opens the whole question of the Nature of
Being, and the theories of previous and contemporary philoso-
phers on the subject. And in the course of the inquiry it is
found that the notion of Being, according to prevailing views,
is no less full of contradictions than that of Not-Being.
Amongst the earlier thinkers, those who hold a fixed plurality
of Beings must admit that existence is common to all these,
and hence whatever number they assert must either be in-
creased, or reduced to one. Those who, with Parmenides,
believe in the Unity of Being, will find it hard to keep this
unity inviolate while they use the terms Being, One, Whole,
each with a distinct meaning, and while they admit, as they
needs must, that a whole has parts.
These difficulties are only briefly indicated: the chief criti-
cism of Parmenides, or rather the modification of his view,
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixxitl
which has been promised above, is made indirectly, and only
emerges when the contemporary phase of Greek philosophy
has been examined in its two chief aspects.
Here no attempt is made to determine the exact number of
Beings. The battle rages about a different point. Is Being
corporeal or ideal? Some hold that nothing exists but bodies,
which they can touch and handle: their opponents break up
these bodies by dialectic into a flux of change, and assert the
sole existence of certain bodiless ideas.
Now the former, if pressed, and if they were capable of
argument, would admit the existence of a soul, and of virtue
and vice as attributes of the soul; and, though they might
contend that the soul is corporeal, they could hardly maintain
this of justice or wisdom. Hence they may be willing to sub-
stitute for body as the characteristic of Being, the power of
acting or of being acted upon. Being is possibility of energy.
But the idealists will refuse this definition. Acting and
suffering they say are properties not of Being, but of Becom-
ing: for Being is exempt from change. Whereupon we ask
them whether to know is an active, and to be known a passive
verb; and whether Being therefore, so far as known, is not
acted upon? And here, apart from logic, the reflection rises,
that Perfect Being cannot be devoid of life and movement, and
the power of thought. That which has thought has life, that
which has life has a soul, and that which has a soul cannot be
motionless. And yet it is most true that reason could not
exist nor come into being without uniformity and permanence,
which imply a principle of rest in the object of reason. Being
therefore has both Motion and Rest. But Being is neither
Motion nor Rest. We are in the position of the dualists whom
we compelled to admit a third principle. Motion and Rest are
opposites, yet both exist. Being therefore comprehends both, .
and is different from both, and though essentially partaking
both of motion and rest, in its own nature neither rests nor
moves. In solving this apparent contradiction, we stumble on
the solution of the original problem of the reconciliation of
Being and Not-Being. As we endeavour to harmonize the dis-
cords which have arisen within the sphere of Being, we are led
to modify our notion of the mutual exclusiveness of Being and
that which had been hitherto regarded as the opposite of Being.
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Ixxiv INTRODUCTION
Before proceeding with the argument, we may glance at one
or two points in the interesting passage which has just been
analyzed. (Soph. 246-250.)
Under the titles of the Earth-born and the Friends of Ideas
does Plato allude to any particular schools, and, if so, to which
of those existing round him ?
It is difficult to bring either description into exact harmony
with the tenets of any single school. The γηγενεῖς would
at first sight appear to be the same who are mentioned in
the Theztetus as “stubborn and repellent” men, but are
there emphatically, though somewhat ironically, distinguished
from the “disciples of Protagoras:” whereas here the ἀλήθεια
of Protagoras appears to be brought under the general censure.
It may be remarked, however, that there is a distinction
amongst the γηγενεῖς also, for some are viewed as more hope-
lessly irreclaimable than the rest (ot αὐτῶν σπαρτοί τε καὶ αὐτό-
x9oves). According to this view, Antisthenes may possibly be
included, but the whole description and the line of argument
pursued point rather in the direction of a physical school.
The moral maxims of Democritus, when taken in connexion
with his general principle, might lay his followers open to the
criticism here employed. But on the other hand, his analysis
of the senses makes it improbable that he is alone intended. It
remains, therefore, most probable that Plato has here idealized,
if such a paradox may be allowed, the materialistic tendency in
contemporary thought. In the other description, of the friends
of motionless forms, there are some marks which answer to
the Pythagoreans, and others which point rather in the direc-
tion of Megara. That the Pythagoreans, whose ἀκίνητοι οὐσίαι
are very similarly criticized by Aristotle, are intended here, is
an opinion which Proclus? takes for granted, and which has
been recently advanced, quite independently as it would seem,
by a French critic, M. Mallet. That the Megarians are meant,
has been the common belief, since this was somewhat doubt-
fully asserted by Schleiermacher. The Pythagoreans certainly
p Comment. in Parmen. p.149 ed. σοφούς. A comparison of Parmenides,
Pont.: ἦν μὲν γὰρ καὶ mapa τοῖς Πυ- Philolaus, and Empedocles shews that
θαγορείοις ἣ περὶ τῶν εἰδῶν θεωρία καὶ the Hleatic and Pythagorean specula-
δηλοῖ καὶ αὐτὸς ἐν Σοφιστῇ τῶν εἰδῶν tions were kindred in their origin.
φίλους προσαγορεύων τοὺς ἐν ᾿Ιταλίᾳ
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixxv
believed in purely immaterial forms, and the absence of an
efficient cause to aid the formal was their weak point. But
there is no evidence that they brought a subtle dialectic to
bear on the resolution of phenomena. This trait (κατὰ σμικρὰ
διαθραύοντες ἐν τοῖς λόγοις) belongs rather to the Megarians:
and so does the sharp opposition between the flux of Becoming
and the permanence of Being. This is an Eleatic feature. But
then although we know that Euclides said that the good was
“one called by many names,” his reaction towards Hleaticism
would probably, though not certainly, incline him to lay the
emphasis on “one” rather than on “ many,’ and we have no
evidence (this passage apart) that he admitted a real diversity
of forms. This is one of Socher’s grounds for supposing that
the “‘Sophist” was written by a Megarian and directed against
Plato, whose theory of ideas he imagines to be here directly
impugned. We have seen that however much some of Plato’s
statements (e. g. Crat. 440) may seem to countenance the doc-
trine here criticized, such was not his final theory of know-
ledge and being. But the hypothesis of Ueberweg and of
Mr. Grote, that Plato is here examining a view which he at
one time held, is well worth considering.
We shall only make a slight modification of this hypothesis
in expressing our own opinion that Plato at a late period of
his course directs this argument against those amongst his
disciples in the Academy who, resting in their imperfect
realization of an earlier phase of his own teaching and revert-
ing to Pythagorean and Eleatic elements, held the doctrine of
ideas in the form in which it is often controverted by Aristotle.
That Aristotle should not have observed this divergence be-
tween the master and the school may be inexplicable, but
not more so than his silence about the Parmenides. On this
supposition, the avowal of familiar acquaintance with the men
(ἐγὼ δὲ tows διὰ συνήθειαν) is not made by the Eleatic Stranger,
but by Plato himself, whose close relation to the persons indi-
cated accounts for a peculiar gentleness of tone (6. ο. ἡμερώτεροι
yap); and the plurality of ideas, their immobility, and the wide
culf between Being and the changing world, are tenets which
we clearly know to have been held together by one and the
same school.
This interrogation of the philosophers is one of the earliest
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chapters in the eritical history of philosophy: and approaches
to the manner in which Anaxagoras and Empedocles are
handled by Aristotle, when he endeavours to penetrate to their
meaning or inmost tendency through the haze of their lan-
guage. There is a similar effort made in the Thestetus, in
the development of the theory of sense, where Heraclitus and
Protagoras are shewn to meet in an unconscious harmony, and
the same appears in the allusion to Parmenides and the twofold
difficulty of understanding his expressions and his thought (μὴ
οὔτε τὰ λεγόμενα ξυνιῶμεν, τί τε διανοούμενος εἶπε πολὺ πλέον λει-
πώμεθα). But the conception of studying philosophical ideas
in the light of their history, and almost of the impossibility of
studying them in any other way, comes more distinctly into
consciousness in this passage than even in Aristotle.
There are several points even in these few pages, besides
the criticism of the εἴδη, which confirm the hypothesis that the
Sophist is a late dialogue. These are chiefly: 1. The identi-
fication of the Highest Being with Soul or Mind, which appears
with equal distinctness only in the Philebus, Timeeus, and Laws.
2. The abruptness with which this thesis is introduced, not
suggested directly by the argument but prompted apparently
by a deep emotional impulse. This is in the manner of the
Laws. 3. The admission of motion into the intelligible sphere.
4. The close union of the ideas of Being and Becoming, which
Plato’s earlier speculations had divorced. This notion is ap-
plied in one place to the Eleatic Whole (245 d, τὸ γενόμενον ἀεὶ
γέγονεν ὅλον), notwithstanding the fact that Parmenides denied
γένεσις altogether; and in another place, in immediate con-
nexion with the idea of permanence or stability, it is said that
this kind is necessary to the production as well as the existence
of mind (249 ¢, ἄνευ τούτων νοῦν καθορᾷς ὄντα ἢ γενόμενον ἄν ;).
We return to the argument. The notion of perfect being
includes the attributes of motion and rest, yet neither of these
is the same with Being: Being differs from both, and, qua
Being, neither rests nor is moved. Yet it would seem as if
everything must either be at rest or in motion.
Now these contradictions may be solved, if we admit the
possibility of a relation or intercommunion between different
kinds. If Being subsists in its own nature and at the same
time partakes in one respect of rest and in another of motion,
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixxvil
this perplexity is removed, ‘The same question of the correla-
tion of ideas or kinds is raised by the simplest instance of pre-
dication. Every proposition implies a relation between things
which are not identical. Even this process has been pro-
nounced impossible by some, who hold that you cannot say
“Man is Good,’ but only “Man is Man” and “Good is
Good.” Not to pass over any class of thinkers, however ex-
travagant, we address these belated scholars in common with
the rest with the following question. Are all ideas totally
disparate, as these say, or do all admit of indiscriminate inter-
mixture, or do some enter into relations with each other while
others do not?
If there is no “communion of ideas,” (1) motion and rest
cannot exist, for neither can partake of Being; and the phi-
losophy of motion and that of rest are equally undone: and
so (2) are the philosophies which rest on the union of one and
many, whether these are viewed as alternating or as being
always combined, and whether unity or a plurality of elements
be made the starting-point. But still more sorry (3) is the
plight of the opponents of predication themselves. For they
cannot move a step in their own argument without the combi-
nation of ideas.
Again, if there is to be commixture of all ideas, motion
could be predicated of rest, and rest of motion.
It remains that some ideas admit of union and others do
not. Just as some letters can be combined in syllables and
others cannot. And it may be that as the vowels are present
in all syllables, so there may be a select few amongst the ideas
whose presence is necessary to every combination.
But as a science is necessary to determine what combina-
tions of letters make syllables, and again another science to
distinguish the proper combinations of musical sounds, so a
science, namely that of dialectic, is necessary in order to
determine the true relations of ideas. The dialectician sees
one form traversing a multitude of scattered objects, and
several forms embraced in a higher generality: he sees many
such wholes bound together in one universal notion, and algo
many that are wholly sundered from one another.
In looking for the Sophist, we have unexpectedly stumbled
on the philosopher, and we shall know where to look for him
Ixxvill INTRODUCTION
when it is his turn to be defined. The Sophist hides in the
dark cave of Not-Being, wherein he feels his way by the
trick of use. We lose the philosopher, “as we lose the lark
in heaven,” in an abyss of light, where he clings, by the
effort of pure reason, to the form of Being. Plato does not
expressly notice, what his argument however implies, that the
word “Being” is here used in a new sense. The “ Being”
here spoken of is clearly the object of philosophy, that is of
dialectic: and the function of dialectic is to determine which
kinds harmonize and which are mutually exclusive. Hence
“ Being” can be nothing else than the sum or principle of
true determinations, whether positive or negative.
But “Being” was previously reckoned, and is again reckoned
(inf. 254 d), with rest and motion as one of the several kinds
amongst which the determinations are made. The first notion
of Being in the Abstract, on which the Eleatice doctrine was
founded, remains side by side with that of Truth, as consisting
in the real agreement and disagreement of ideas. The latter
seems to be expressed by the word ὄν in the present passage,
which contains the answer to the question raised in p. 250 a,
viz. what common quality of opposites is expressed by saying
that they both exist. Their common quality is (according to
this) that each is really predicable of some other thing. This
is almost but not quite expressed inf. 258 Ὁ, ἡ τῆς θατέρου---
οὐσία ἐστίν.
But to proceed. As it is admitted that communion exists
to a greater or less extent amongst different kinds, some for-
bidding communion, while some may hold communion with all;
we proceed to apply the dialectic method which is now come
into view to the three chiefest kinds, which have been already
before us: Being, Motion, Rest. The two latter, as was said
above, have no communion: while Being communes with them
both. Each of these three is other than the remaining two,
but the same with itself. Thus emerge two fresh and distinct
kinds, or categories, holding communion with the three already
mentioned, but different from them all, the categories of Same
and Other. They are certainly both distinct from Rest and
from Motion, for if either of these were identical with that in
which both participate, they would be obliged to participate —
in each other, which we have seen to be in the highest degree
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixxix
impossible. Nor can Sameness be identified with Being, else
in asserting that motion and rest exist, we should assert that
they were both the same. Thus are made out four distinct
kinds: motion, rest, being, same. The form of Other alone
remains. Is this a fifth kind, or are Being and Otherness two
names for the same thing? They are distinct, for this reason,
that every Other is always relative to an Other, whereas Beings
are sometimes thought of in themselves and sometimes in rela-
tion. (Aristotle’s category of Relation is here incidentally
anticipated.)
The form of Otherness is therefore a fifth kind; and, to-
gether with that of Sameness, it 15 found in combination with
everything, like the vowels in the illustration from letters.
(These two in fact are the positive and negative aspects, which
are indissolubly connected in the notion of Being, as defined
above.)
In applying this discovery we find that Otherness is more
simply expressed by the word “not.” Motion is quite other
than Rest; 1. 6. is not Rest :—is other than Sameness; i. e. is
not Sameness. Yet Motion 7s, i. 6. exists: and is the same with
itself through participation in Sameness. In these different
senses or relations, Motion is and is not the same: partaking
of Sameness in relation to itself and of Otherness (expressed by
the word not”) in relation to sameness. So if motion- could
partake of rest, it might be said, ‘“ Motion is at rest and is not
Rest.” And it is certainly true that Motion being other than
the Other, i.e. partaking of Otherness in relation to the
Other, in the same phrase both is and is not Other. Thus
Motion is distinct from three of the four kinds, partaking
of the Other in relation to each: and it is also distinct
from, and partakes of the Other in relation to, Being. But
Motion also partakes of Being, and thus both is and is not
Being.
Now this applies equally to every kind. All partake of
Being, for they all exist, but each is distinguished from the
abstract, or universal, notion of Bemg. They are and are not,
are existent but are not existence. Being and Not-Being are
equally predicable of every form. And, if this result is turned
the other way,—the form of Being is distinguished from
(partakes of Other in relation to) all other forms. Being 18 in
Ixxx INTRODUCTION
itself once for all, but ¢s-not times imfinite, viz. in comparison
with everything which partakes of being.
It appears then that Non-Being includes everything except
the abstract idea of Being; and that the word not expresses
only otherness or difference, and not necessarily contrariety.
The not-greater is not necessarily smaller. Now every posi-
tive conception has a corresponding negative, which is not
necessarily opposite but only different, and includes a really
existing kind. Thus the not-beautiful is a kind by itself. The
word “not” distinguishes between positive existences; and
the Other has as many branches as science has.
Tt follows that negative determinations have as much objec-
tive reality as the positive ones which are summed up in
Being 4: and they signify when taken severally, not the con-
tradictory of the corresponding affirmatives, but only some-
thing not identical with them. Now the sum of these nega-
tions, or of their objects, is no other than the non-existent or
unreal, after which the Sophist led us such a dance.
We have not only established against Parmenides that this
Non-Being has a real existence, but we have also laid bare the
nature of it as the sum of negations, or of all which falls on
the left-hand side in the distinctions of science.
(Plato here notes a change in the meaning of μὴ ὄν similar
to that above noticed in the meaning of ὄν. The merely ab-
stract notion of Nothing seems at first sight contradictory to
the merely abstract notion of Being. But when Being is re-
cognized as the complex object of the determinations of thought,
Not-Being becomes the negative side or aspect of those deter-
minations, and is thus a part of being. Moreover every such
negative expression, from the nature of the case, since nega-
tion is difference and difference always implies relation (70
ἕτερον ἀεὶ πρὸς ἕτερον), has a positive content.)
Further, while we have shewn the existence of non-being,
we have proved that Being in innumerable relations is not,
i.e. 15 different from, or other than, every existing kind.
Being and difference (or positive and negative Being") are
two categories (to use a convenient term of later growth) which
a ‘ Being” is here used with a third r The ideas of ταὐτὸν and ὄν seem
variety of meaning=the sum of posi- to run together again, though distin-
tive determinations. guished for the sake of argument above.
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixxx1
traverse all things—even each other, since the Other exists,
and Being is other than the remaining kinds, which partake
of Being, and of the Other in relation to each other and to the
form of Being.
Here is a nut for the Eristic philosophers to crack. They
may exhibit contradictions till they are weary, but until they
can refute the preceding argument, they will labour in vain,
The dialectician’s is a far nobler task, to follow every argument
having respect to the relation in which things are compared
or distinguished. ΤῸ insist without this on the contradiction of
sameness and difference is mere childishness, as has now been
shewn. We have swept the ground from under the feet of
the analytical and controversial gentry, by abolishing the
absoluteness of distinctions: which indeed was necessary
if argument, or even language, is to be maintained at all.
For, as has been already shewn in answer to Antisthenes,
the nature of proposition rests on the combination of different
forms.
But if language were done away, all our toil would have
left us where we were, so far as the Sophist is concerned.
For falsity can only be found in propositions, either spoken or
silent. Opinion is silent proposition.
There still remains, therefore, a new problem, after it has
been decided that there is a communion amongst several kinds,
_and that Non-Being is one of these; viz. Is there communion
between Non-Being and the proposition? Does that which is
other than being enter into language? We must answer this
before we can tell whether the Sophist is to be accused of
falsehood, and, if the answer is in the negative, we must begin
the whole inquiry afresh.
Theeetetus is cast down by the apparition of this new difii-
culty : but is encouraged to proceed. “ Faint heart never took
a city. Some progress has been made, and that is more than
we at one time expected. And after all not much remains.”
| Speech is then defined as the combination not of nouns with
nouns or verbs with verbs, but of nouns and verbs (which are
also defined)—just as vowels and consonants were seen to be
combined in syllables.
It is shewn also that every proposition has a subject and
is of a certain quality; by which is meant, not the formal
m
Ixxxil INTRODUCTION
difference of affirmative or negative, but the material difference
of truth or falsity.
The false proposition attaches to its subject a predicate, which
has a meaning indeed, but a meaning other than that which
consists with fact (ὄντων----ὄντα ἕτερα, Soph. 263 b); a meaning,
therefore, which is the proper object of a negative determi-
nation in thought. False speech is the affirmation of this other
predicate, which means, not nothing, but a wrong something.
(It is of course implied that false negation is the wrong affirma-
tion of non-being.) Now thought is a silent dialogue of the
mind with herself (cf. Thezet. 189 6): opinion is the positive or
negative determination of thought: and imagination is opinion
in contact with sense. Hence whatever is essentially true of
speech, is also true of thought, opinion and the intellectual
element in sensation. False opinion is therefore conceivable
and possible. And the phantastic art, in which we placed the
Sophist, has more than a chimerical existence. The existence
of the said “kind” being vindicated, the division of kinds is
resumed from p. 236 ὁ in the manner already indicated, and
the dialogue “ grows to a point.”
In closing this long introduction, it is still necessary, for the
sake of clearness, to make a few remarks on the discussion of
which an analysis has been here presented to the reader.
1. The last step in the argument will be more intelligible
when put into modern language.
It has been shewn that Non-Being is merely the object of
negative determination: the form of Difference, coming in be-
tween two positive conceptions. Before the existence of false-
hood can be established, the question remains, Are thought
and speech themselves ever the proper objects of negative
determination? Can a proposition as well as a term be denied ?
Does the Form of Difference enter into thought as the object
of thought, so as to divide the real (ὄν in the sense of Truth)
from the unreal (μὴ ¢év=that which is other than the Truth)
which still has a certain reality as being really distinguished
from the real? Plato answers this question, as he answers the
question in the Theztetus, ‘Is true opinion knowledge?” by
an appeal to fact. The proposition, “ Thezetetus, with whom I —
now converse, is flying,” is manifestly the legitimate object of —
TO THE SOPHIST. Ixxxiil
denial. And thus the existence of falsehood, and of a denial
of falsehood, as well as that of simple negation, is established.
It may be asked, why sensation takes the place of dialectic at
this stage? Might not the Sophist, who can shut his eyes at
pleasure, profess ignorance, until convinced by rational proof,
whether Theztetus is sitting or flying? The answer is, first,
that it was immaterial to the proof whether the fact appealed
to were one of sensible experience or otherwise. Any propo-
sition which the mind of the particular hearer instinctively
rejected would have served the purpose equally well. ’ὔ / ‘ / \ / ΕΣ ᾿, 4
αὐτοί TE κοσμίως καὶ τόνδε τινὰ ξένον AYOMEV, TO μεν γ. 216.
gentleman looked on those who
followed any trade. Cf. also
Lach. 197 d= mperes .. 2% °
. σοφιστῇ μᾶλλον τὰ τοιαῦτα
κομψεύεσθαι ἢ ἀνδρὶ κ. τ. λ.
The “ Sophists” in Plato’s time
were already commonly viewed
as a separate class. Cf. Tim.
19 e, Rep. 6, 492 a. Plato—
who, as we learn from Plutarch
in his life of Dion, was himself
called Sophist by the courtiers
of Syracuse (cf. Polit. 299 ¢,
where the true philosopher is
called by the vulgar ἀδολέσχην
τινὰ σοφιστὴν, and inf. 216 6:
τοτὲ δὲ copprrai)—endeavours in
this and the following dialogue
to limit the application of the
term, with the odium belong-
ing to it, to that false or pre-
tended wisdom which he desires
to distinguish from the true—
to the professors of knowledge
who “had their reward” a-
mongst his contemporaries.
And the termination, -ἰστής,
which might imply affectation
or pretension, was conducive
to this purpose. In a similar
spirit the meaning of the
word διαλεκτικός was modified
by Aristotle. The necessity of
defining the Sophist is asserted
by Socrates in Protag. 313 6.
P. 1, 3. ΣΩΚΡΑΤΗΣ] Here, as
in the Parmenides and Timzeus,
Socrates introduces but does
not conduct the conversation
(Tim. 17 Ὁ: TI. οὐδὲ yap ἂν
εἴη δίκαιον, χθὲς ὑπὸ σοῦ Een-
σθέντας οἷς ἦν πρέπον ἕενίοις,
μὴ οὐ προθύμως σὲ τοὺς λοιποὺς
ἡμῶν ἀντεφεστιᾷν. Ib. 26 6: 59.
χρὴ λέγειν μὲν ὑμᾶς, ἐμὲ δὲ ἀντὶ τῶν
χθὲς λόγων ἡσυχίαν ἄγειν). But
although the person of Socrates
is in the background, the So-
cratic spirit of inquiry still
reigns in this and: the follow-
ing dialogue. There are at
least four points in which this
intellectual (as distinguished
from the personal) influence of
Socrates may still be traced,
1. The use of trivial and gro-
tesque examples to illustrate
general truths (see Xen. Memo-
rabilia I. 2. § 23, and compare
the words of Callicles in the
Gorgias, 491 ἃ : del σκυτέας τε
καὶ κναφέας καὶ μαγείρους λέγων
καὶ ἰατροὺς οὐδὲν παύει), and the
elevation of this practice into
a principle of scientific method.
The angler has a definition no
less than the highest artist.
Philosophical elassification re-
spects not persons, but views
the military commander and
the destroyer of vermin as
equally deserving a place in
the category of huntsmen. The
Sophist is a salesman, a magi-
clan, a sportsman, ἃ scene-
painter. The image of the
“herdsman” (compare Xen.
Mem. 1, c.), used satirically in
the Theetetus (p. 174 4) and
in Rep. 1, and with a more
serious meaning in the Laws
(4, 713 Ὁ, 6), appears again in
the Politicus, at first in the hu-
morous but afterwards in the
deeper signification. In the
same dialogue an elaborate pa-
rallel is drawn between the
statesman and the weayer, and
this leads to a vindication of
the argument from Example.
Here also the Socratic mode
of teaching by instances (coin-
ciding with the Pythagorean
parable) is not only imitated
}
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 3
p. 216. γένος ἐξ ’EAeas, ἑταῖρον
but is made the object of re-
flection and study. 2. The con-
viction, which appears chiefly
in the Politicus, that all prac-
tical wisdom may be resolved
into pure knowledge, and that
this master-science is one only,
and stands in close relation to
all others. 3. The destructive,
cross-questioning method of
Socrates is characterised as a
purgation of the soul (καθαρμός,
a Pythagorean word) from the
vapours and obstructions of
conceit. It is this true puri-
fication of the mind, the in-
alienable privilege of the phi-
losopher, of which the mere
controversial art of the So-
phist is a false mimicry.
In this, however, there is also a
reference to the negative dialec-
tic of Zeno. 4. The irony of this
dialogue (and still more of the
Politicus) while truly Platonic
accords well with the charac-
ter of the Platonic Socrates.
The position assigned to the
Sophist, not in the first, nor
in the second, nor in the third
portion of imitative art; and
the discovery of the politicians
of Greece far down amongst the
class of servants, are instances
of this: also the ludicrous de-
scription of a state in which
navigation and medicine should
be regulated by law, of which
there is perhaps a germ in
the question of Socrates, Would
they choose a pilot, or a car-
-penter, or a flute-player by
lot? In these and other pas-
sages there is revived, with
an increase of bitterness which
is Plato’s own, the “ pro-
voking irony and strange in-
B
δὲ τῶν ἀμφὶ ἸΤαρμενίδην
sight into the world,” which is
one of the most marked fea-
tures of the Platonic, as it was
probably of the real, Socrates.
P.1,4. Kara τὴν χθὲς ὁμολογίαν]
Theet. 210 ὁ. Socrates is
already at the place of meet-
ing: according to the Thee-
tetus a paleestra, possibly the
Lyceum, or the school of Tau-
reas. There is, however, no
reference to the scene of the
conversation, either in this dia-
logue or the next.
ἥκομεν αὐτοί τε καὶ ἄγομεν]
Rep. 4,427 d: σκόπει---οαὐτός τε
καὶ τὸν ἀδελφὸν παρακάλει.
also Xen. Anab. 111.1, ὃ 44. The
expression is modified by a re-
turn to the indicative mood,
as the sentence grows under
the author’s hand.
P. 2,1. κοσμίως) “ Like well-
behaved people.” ‘“ As in duty
bound.”
τ. ἑταῖρον ---- [ἑταίρων ἢ] Se-
veral MSS. have ἕτερον in the
first place. (Ficinus, longé vero
alterum ac dissimilem a Par-
menide et Zenone suis equa-
libus.) But the Stranger
afterwards identifies himself
with the followers of Parme-
nides, though he is not a ser-
vile follower, and Socrates in
this place alludes to the ἔλεγ-
xos of Zeno. The corrup-
tion may be due to some one
who thought the criticism of
Parmenides in the sequel incon-
sistent with the words as they
stood. The passage is thrice
quoted by Proclus; Comment.
in Parmen. p. 42: ᾿Αλλὰ καὶ ὁ
"EXedtns σοφὸς καὶ τῶν περὶ τὸν
Παρμενίδην καὶ Ζήνωνα ἑταίρων av-
τὸς ὧν. Ib. Ρ». 72: καὶ γὰρ ἐκεῖνον
9)
=
Ch
paliestra,
and bring
with them
an Eleatic
friend,
whom
Theodorus
introduces
as a true
philoso-
pher.
Socrates is
awe-struck.
“What if
he be some
God in dis-
guise, who,
as poets
t MAATQNO®
καὶ Ζήνωνα {Ὁ ἑταίρων Ὁ.
σοῴον.
μάλα δὲ
YQ. ἾΑρ᾽ οὖν, ὦ Θεύδωρε, οὐ ξένον ἀλλά τινα
θεὸν ἄγων κατὰ τὸν Ὅμήρου λόγον λέληθας ; ὅς
ὔ Ν vad > c / /
sdnow addovs τε θεοὺς τοῖς ἀνθρώποις, ὁπόσοι μετέ-
οὕτω προσείρηκεν, τῶν
ἀμφὶ Il. καὶ Ζ. μάλα δὲ ἄνδρα
φιλόσοφον. Ib. p. 83:
τούτων ὑπάρχων. ἑταίρων is pro-
bably a gloss on τῶν. (Βοά!]. τόν.)
The word is transposed in one
MS. (A), which gives ἑταίρων καὶ
ζήνωνα. It is doubtful whether
τῶν 18. a partitive genitive or
governed by éraipov :—‘ A com-
panion of the number of those”
or “a companion of those.”
The former is more idiomatic,
gives a better emphasis to ἑταῖ-
pov, and is on the whole more
consistent with the quotations
of Proclus.
For the use of the word
ἑταῖρος, cf. Thext. 180 ¢: ov
yap σοι ἑταῖροί εἰσιν. “ This
stranger is of Eleatic race, an
adherent of the school of Par-
menides and Zeno, and he is
a true philosopher.”
ἑταῖρον
ἑταῖρος
1. μάλα δὲ ἄνδρα φιλόσοφον]
Cf. Parm. 126 b: οἵδε----πολῖ-
ταί poi εἰσι, μάλα φιλόσοφοι. For
the conjunction of the adverb
and noun, cf. Legg. 1, 639 b:
ἄλλά τινων σφόδρα γυναικῶν.
3. οὐ ξένον ἀλλά τινα θεὸν
The auswer of Theodorus,
οὐχ οὗτος ὁ Tp. τ. &, shews
that these words of Socrates
express an ironical fear lest
the stranger should bring the
Zenonian negative dialectic to
bear on his own (1. 6. Plato’s)
mode of reasoning. Compare
Euthyd. 273 6: εἰ δὲ viv ἀλη-
θῶς ταύτην τὴν ἐπιστήμην ἔχε-
τον, ἵλεῳ εἴητον. ἀτεχνῶς γὰρ
ἔγωγε σφὼ ὥσπερ θεὼ προσαγο-
ρεύω.
4. λέληθας] Se. σαυτόν.
Thezt. 180 6.
5. ἄλλους τε θεοὺς] Odyss. P.
483-7:
Cf.
‘Avtivo’, ov μὲν Kad’ ἔβαλες δύστηνον ἀλήτην,
> ‘ > > , i > ΄ , >
οὐλόμεν᾽, εἰ δή πού τις ἐπουράνιος θεός ἐστιν.
καί τε θεοὶ ξείνοισιν ἐοικότες ἀλλοδαποῖσιν,
παντοῖοι τελέθοντες, ἐπιστρωφῶσι πόληας,
> / “ A > ΄ > ΄
ἀνθρώπων ὕβριν τε καὶ εὐνομίην ἐφορῶντες.
ΠΡ ΤΣ ΟΣ Ἢ:
A Wy , c , ,
Ζεὺς δ᾽ ἐπιτιμήτωρ ἱκετάων τε ξείνων Te,
, ἃ , J 3 5 , > “
ξείνιος, ὃς ξείνοισιν ἅμ᾽ αἰδοίοισιν ὀπηδεῖ.
Both these passages are present
to the speaker’s mind, but the
second less distinctly than the
first: for ξείνοισιν is dropped,
and αἰδοίοισιν taken actively, =
respectful or merciful. The
substitution of θεὸς for Ζεὺς,
the general for the individual,
belongs to the later phase of
xs
Greek religion. Bodl. ἀλλήλους:
but the correction is not by the
first hand.
Cf. Legg. 5, 730 a: ὁ ξένιος
ἑκάστων δαίμων καὶ θεὸς τῷ ξενίῳ
Ib. π 2; 953 ©:
τιμῶντες Eeviov Δία.
" she
συνεπόμενοι Att.
ἄλλους τε θεοὺς τοῖς ἀνθρώποις]
The apodosis of these words is
ἄνδρα φιλό- p. 216. |:
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 5
, ΄σ 7 Ν Ν Ν ‘ / >
5.216. youow αἰδοῦς δικαίας. καὶ δὴ καὶ τὸν ἕένιον ov
: ’ ἢ Xx
(en)
oS Ν Ν , -“ Ν
ἥκιστα θεὸν συνοπαδὸν γιγνόμενον ὕβρεις τε καὶ
> 7 - > / o 25 53 a Ν
εὐυνομιὰᾶὰς Τῶν ἀνθρώπων καθορᾷν. TAX OUV GY και
, - a , / /
σοί τις οὗτος τῶν κρειττόνων συνέποιτο, φαύλους
« ΄ + ’ oO / > , ΄ Ν 5 /
ἡμᾶς ὄντας ἐν τοῖς λόγοις ἐποψόμενὸος τε Kal ἐλέγξων, 5
Ν 7 ,
θεὸς wv τις ἐλεγκτικὸς.
OEO. Οὐχ οὗτος ὁ τρόπος, ὦ Σώκρατες, τοῦ ξένου,
» Ν ΤᾺ a Ν \ 54 3 ,
ἀλλὰ μετριώτερος τῶν περὶ τὰς ἔριδας ἐσπουδακότων.
, a \ \ eX 5 ΡΞ 53 = ΝΣ
Kal μοι δοκεῖ θεὸς μὲν ἀνὴρ οὐδαμῶς εἶναι, θεῖος μὴν
΄ \ SS \ / ,
πάντας yap ἐγὼ τοὺς φιλοσόφους τοιούτους προσα-
γορεύω.
absorbed in συνοπαδὸν γιγνό-
μενον.
I. ὁπόσοι--- δικαίας] Said in
compliment to Theodorus, who,
in reward for his modest and
candid temper (see the Thezete-
tus), may unawares be enter-
taining a superior being. Com-
pare the combination of αἰδὼς
with δίκη in the Protagoras
(322 ¢), and in Hesiod.
4. τῶν κρειττόνων] “ Some
higher power,” i.e. a God or
Hero, ef. Lege. 4,718 a: mapa
θεῶν καὶ ὅσοι κρείττονες ἡμῶν.
Kuthyd. 291 a: μὴ τις τῶν
κρειττόνων παρὼν αὐτὰ ἐφθέγξατο;
Ep. 7, 326 6: ἔοικε μήν τινι τῶν
κρειττόνων ἀρχὴν βαλέσθαι τῶν νῦν
γεγονότων πραγμάτων. Compare
Aesch. Prom. 905: μηδὲ κρεισ-
covey [θεῶν] ἔρως ἄφυκτον ὄμμα
προσδράκοι με.
5. ἐποψόμενος] Referring to
ἐφορῶντες in the line of Homer.
7. Οὐχ οὗτος ὁ τρόπος -- τοῦ
ξένουΠ͵ Cf. Theet. 145 6: οὐχ
οὗτος ὁ τρόπος Θεοδώρου.
8. μετριώτερος] “ More rea-
sonable.” Cf. Theat. 161 Ὁ:
ἀποδέξασθαι μετρίως.
τῶν περὶ τὰς ἔριδας ἐσπουδα-
κότων] Cf. Isocrates Soph. 20:
τῶν περὶ Tas ἔριδας καλινδουμένων.
And for ἐσπουδακότων inf, p. 259
b, α : εἴτε ---χαίρει---τοὺς λόγους
ἕλκων, οὐκ ἄξια πολλῆς σπουδῆς
ἐσπούδακε. The Stranger is re-
presented as not contentious,
that the reader may be pre-
pared for the modification of
the Eleatic doctrine in what
follows, and for the general
scope of the dialogue, which
tends to deprecate the arts
of controversy.
9. ἁνήρ] In this and similar
places the MSS. persistently
give ἀνήρ. This is equally the
case in tragedy (6. g. Soph. Aj.
g: ἔνδον yap ἀνήρ), where the
quantity proves the presence
of the article.
θεῖο Cf. Rep. 1, 331 e:
σοφὸς γὰρ καὶ θεῖος ἀνήρ (ὁ Σι-
μωνίδης). Phileb. 18 b: εἴτε τις
θεὸς εἴτε καὶ θεῖος ἄνθρωπος. In
Legg. 1, 626 ο, the address ὦ
θεῖε occurs — characteristically
—in the mouth of the Spartan.
10. τοιούτους] Se. θείους. Cf.
Theet. 154 e, Phed. 67 a.
have sung,
accompa~
nies the
good man’s
going, and
comes to
expose the
nothing-
ness of
Athenian
wisdom 2”
THEO. “He
is not con-
tentious,
as some
are: and
certainly
10 no God,
though I
must call
him, as I
do all pLi-
losophers,
divine.”
ΠΟΘΙ ΑΔ πὰ
the divine
philoso-
pher is also
rarely dis-
cerned, and
often walks
disguised
through
the igno-
rance of
other men,
whose life
he watches
fromabove,
appearing
to them
6 MAATQNO2
Ὁ “ 9 , ΄ ΄, ,
TQ. Καλῶς ye, ὦ φίλε. τοῦτο μέντοι κινδυνεύει p. 216.)
Ν , > , en « ” > ΄σ 3
τὸ γένος οὐ πολὺ TL ρᾷον, WS ἔπος εἰπεῖν, εἰναι δια-
, RY ‘ = an
κρίνειν ἢ τὸ τοῦ θεοῦ"
΄ \ " e
πάνυ yap ἄνδρες οὗτοι
a el ἈΝ Ν ΄“΄ 32,7 »
παντοῖοι φανταζόμενοι διὰ τὴν τῶν ἄλλων ἀγνοιαν
δἐπιστρωφῶσι πόληας, οἱ μὴ πλαστῶς ἀλλ᾽ ὄντως
φιλόσοφοι, καθορῶντες ὑψόθεν τὸν τῶν κάτω βίον,
“ Ν fa) by a Ν , ΕΣ
καὶ τοῖς μὲν δοκοῦσιν εἰναι τοῦ μηδενὸς τίμιοι, τοῖς
I. τοῦτο μέντοι τὸ yevos] The
more remote purpose of the dia-
logue appears in these words,
The definition of the Sophist
is preparatory to that of the
philosopher.
3. τὸ Tod θεοῦ] Note the sin-
cular case with the article, ex-
pressing a generalized concep-
tion—as In τοῦ ἀνθρώπου : Thu-
cyd. 1, 140.
πάνυ] “ certainly ;” almost
= ἀτεχνῶς, referring to the words
of Homer. Compare the use
of πάνυ ye, πάνυ μὲν οὖν in re-
plies.
4. παντοῖοι φανταζόμενοι) φαν-
zat. is substituted for τελέθοντες
because the philosophers do not
really change, but appear in
various disguises through the
ignorance of men. Compare
Rep. 2, 381-2, where there
is a reference to the same pas-
sage of Homer. See also
Timeeus 41 a, where the tradi-
tionary deities are spoken of in
contradistinction to the hea-
venly bodies as ὅσοι φαίνονται
καθ᾽ ὅσον ἂν ἐθέλωσι θεοί.
5. οἱ μὴ πλαστῶς ἀλλ᾽ ὄντως
φιλόσοφοι] “The real, not the
would-be philosophers.” ΟἿ
Theet. 173 ¢: Aéyopev—repi
τῶν κορυφαίων, Ti γὰρ ἄν τις τούς
γε φαύλως διατρίβοντας ἐν φιλο-
σοφίᾳ λέγοι. And see the de-
?
scription of the “ little bald
blacksmith” in Rep. 6, 495 e.
For πλαστῶς, cf. Legg. 1, 642 d:
ἀληθῶς καὶ οὔ τι πλαστῶς εἰσὶν
Tb: 6, γ7ὴ ἃ.
6. καθορῶντες] Echoing καθο-
ρᾷν supr., but with the addi-
tional meaning of “ down-
wards.” For καθ. ὑψόθεν τὸν
τῶν κάτω βίον, see the digression
in the Theetetus 173 Ὁ, 175
c,d. Also Rep..B: ἢ:
7. τοῖς μὲν δοκοῦσιν---μανικῶς]
“The true philosopher appears
to some men nothing worth :
to others, worth all the world:
now he presents the semblance
of a statesman, now of a public
teacher: and, again, he may
give to some men the impres-
sion that he is clean mad.”
The philosophic spirit is a
treasure whose value is un-
known: a pearl of great
price, for which he who has
found it will sell all that
he has : appearing now in the
practical, now in the specula-
tive sphere: in both apt to be
confounded with lower types
of wisdom by ordinary men,
who, when they begin to see
the real issues towards which
the spirit leads, will brand it
with the name of foolishness
or madness. For τοῦ παντὸς, cf.
Pheedr. 235 6. The article is
ἀγαθοί.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ. vi
δι 197; a / Ν \ \ Ν ’,
p. 216. δ᾽ ἄξιοι τοῦ παντός" καὶ τοτὲ μὲν πολιτικοὶ φαντά-
ἃ Covrat, τοτὲ δὲ σοφισταί. τοτὲ δ᾽ ἔστιν οἷς δοξαν
3 2 Ὁ
p- 217.
, > A - / y lal
παρασχόοιντ αν WS TWAVTATTACOLV EXOVTES μανικῶς.
a ΄ὔ / (re e / x / ,
του [LEVTOL &€vov ἡμῖν ἡδέως ἂν πυνθανοίμην, εἰ
/ > “ / apy? ε Ν N > vad / ¢ a
φίλον AUTO, τι ταῦθ᾽ οἱ περὶ τὸν ἐκεῖ τόπον ἡγοῦντο 5
t
Ἄν .,.9 ΄
KQL ὠνόμαζον.
ΘΕΌ. Τὰ ποῖα dn;
LQ. Σοφιστήν, πολιτικόν, φιλόσοφον.
΄ Ss -/ ΄-
GEO. Τί δὲ μάλιστα καὶ τὸ ποῖόν τι περὶ αὐτῶν
διαπορηθεὶς ἐρέσθαι διενοήθης ;
here partly suggested by τοῦ
μηδενός, which hardly needs
illustration.
I. τοτὲ μὲν --- τοτὲ δὲ] Bodl.
Ῥ. Mm. τότε μὲν----τότε δὲ.
πολιτικοί] Τὰ. ο. Epimenides,
Solon, Pythagoras.
2. σοφισταί] As Socrates in
the‘Clouds, or Plato at Syracuse.
The word is used here with-
out any invidious association,
like πολιτικοί, merely denoting a
recognized class. The variation
of language in τίμιοι ---ἄξιοι 15
in keeping with the studied
refinement of this dialogue.
3. παντάπασιν ἔχοντες μανικῶς]
Cf. Pheedr. 249 c, d: Ib. e: ai-
τίαν ἔχει ὡς μανικῶς διακείμενος :
and the words of Alcibiades
in the Symposium 218 b:
- πάντες yap κεκοινωνήκατε τῆς φι-
λοσόφου μανίας τε καὶ βακχείας.
Note the emphatic position of
μανικῶς.
4. τοῦ μέντοι ξένου] The double
μέντοι marks a double transi-
tion: from the person of the
Stranger to the nature of philo-
sophers, and from this to the
Stranger again,who is addressed
with an inquiry bearing on the
subject which has been thus sug-
gested. “ The philosopher is apt
tobe confounded with the States-
man and Sophist, except when
he is looked upon as mad. Will
the Stranger clear the confusion
by defining each of the terms
in question ?”
ἡμῖν gives a courteous turn
to the expression, like μοι
after a vocative.
εἰ φίλον αὐτῷ! Cf. Theeet.
τό Ὁ : ἀλλ᾽ εἰ οὕτως, ὦ Θεόδωρε,
σοὶ φίλον, οὐδ᾽ ἐμοὶ ἐχθρόν. infr.
222005)
5. τί ταῦθ᾽ — ὠνόμαζον] “ What
his countrymen (in Magna
Grecia) thought of these mat-
ters, and how they used to
apply the terms.” The imper-
fect implies the qualification
“When he was amongst them.”
For the adverbial τί, cf. Pheedr.
2346: τί σοι φαίνεται 6 λόγος ;
9. Ti δὲ μάλιστα ----διενοήθης]
The curious formality of this
address belongs to Plato’s later
style. (See General Introd.) Cf.
infr. 226 b: τὸ ποῖον αὐτῶν πέρι
βουληθεὶς δηλῶσαι, παραδείγματα
προθεὶς ταῦτα κατὰ πάντων ἤρου :
2406: πῇ καὶ τὸ ποῖόν τι φοβού-
now as
Statesman,
now as
M Sophist,’
despised,
believed in,
wondered
at as mad.
Sophist,
Statesman,
Philoso-
pher :—
What has
our Italian
Io friend to
tell us of
these
things ?
Do his
country-
men ac-
count them
one, or two,
or three ?”
The Stran-
ger had
been al-
readyasked
this ques-
tion on the
way.
He will
shew that
each of the
three terms
denotes a
different
nature,
though to
distinguish
them is by
no means
a simple
task.
oe)
ITAATQNO
πα / , A ΄ “- ᾽ x
2Q. Τοδε πότερον ἕν πάντα ταῦτα ἐνόμιζον ἢ
/ δ ΄ ‘ 3. Τῇ ΄ / /
δυο, ἢ καθάπερ Ta ὀνόματα τρία, τρία καὶ γένη διαι-
/ , A » « nd
ρούμενοι Kad’ ἕν ὄνομα γένος ἑκάστῳ προσῆπτον ;
ΘΕΟ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐδείς, ὡς ἐγῴμαι, φθόνος αὐτῷ διελ-
na > 4 “Δ ΄σ΄ 9S /,
5θεῖν αὐτά. Ἢ πῶς, ὦ E€ve, λέγωμεν:
EE. Οὕτως, ὦ Θεόδωρε. φθόνος μὲν γὰρ οὐδείς,
) \ Ἂ > “ “ 7» e lal Led
οὐδὲ χαλεπὸν εἰπεῖν OTL ye τρί ἡγοῦντο" καθ᾽ ἕκαστον
(2. y
ῥᾷδιον ἐργον.
\ / “ / > 7 > Χ »ῸΝ
μὴν διορίσασθαι σαφῶς, τί ποτ᾽ ἐστιν, οὐ σμικρὸν οὐδὲ
ΘΕΟ. Καὶ μὲν δὴ κατὰ τύχην γε, ὦ Σώκρατες,
/ 3 ΄ / © « a
λόγων ἐπελάβου παραπλησίων ὧν καὶ πρὶν ἡμᾶς
a? Σ la las SEEN > / ε \
δεῦρ᾽ ἐλθεῖν διερωτῶντες αὑτὸν ἐτυγχάνομεν. ὁ O€
> / “ Ν \ a Ων ΄ » | Aes \
ταῦτα, ATEP προς σε νυν, καὶ TOTE ἐσκήπτετο προς
ε a > Ν / / ε lal \ 2
ἡμᾶς" ἐπεὶ διακηκοέναι ye φησιν ἱκανῶς καὶ οὐκ
15 ἀμνημονεῖν.
ΣΩ. Μὴ τοίνυν, ὦ ξένε, ἡμῶν τήν γε πρώτην
μενος οὕτω λέγεις ; Legg.6,752b:
περὶ τί βλέπων καὶ ποῖ μάλιστα
αὐτὸ εἴρηκας τὰ νῦν; Ib. 4,705 d:
εἰς δὴ τί τῶν εἰρημένων βλέψας,
εἶπες ὃ λέγεις ; “In regard to
what point, and with a view to
what difficulty respecting these
things, did the question occur
to you?”
2. τρία καὶ γένη] The Bodleian
MS., as well as ATi, has καὶ γένη,
which is manifestly right. ra
γένη does not suit with διαιρού-
μενοι. They do not divide the
classes, but distinguish three.
“Did they, as the names are
three, distinguish also three
kinds, and assign one severally
to each name 1
6. pOdvos—eineiv] φθόνος is
not to be joined with εἰπεῖν.
“ You are right, Theodorus; I
have no wish to withhold any-
thing.”
7. τρί᾽ ἡγοῦντο] So Bodl.
II. Adyov— ὧν diepwravres | For
the apposition of the clause to
the relative, cf. Thezt. 158 b:
τὸ τοιόνδε ἀμφισβήτημα,---ὃ πολ-
λάκις σε οἶμαι ἀκηκοέναι ἐρωτών-
Compare Tim. 20 d: καὶ
ἔτι πρότερον καθ᾽ ὁδὸν αὖ ταῦτα
TOV.
ἐσκοποῦμεν. =
παραπλησίων ὧν] As παρα-
πλήσιος is rarely found with the
genitive, there is probably here
a double attraction: 1. 6. ὧν =
ois = τούτοις οὕς.
12. ὁ δὲ ταὐτά] Heindorf’s
slight emendation (ταὐτὰ for
ταῦτα) seems to be required by
the antithesis πρὸς σὲ viv—rére
- πρὸς ἡμᾶς.
τό. Μὴ--- γένῃ] “ Be not so
cruel as to refuse our first boon
when we have asked it of you.”
--
)
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
Wee
πότερον εἴωθας ἥδιον αὐτὸς ἐπὶ σαυτοῦ
μακρῷ λόγῳ διεξιέναι λέγων τοῦτο, ὃ ἂν ἐνδείξασ--
nr ; , er
Gai τῳ βουληθῇς, ἢ St ἐρωτήσεων, οἷον ποτε καὶ
Παρμενίδῃ χρωμένῳ καὶ διεξιόντι λόγους παγκάλους 5
/ Oe AN / vy ’ / “4 δὴ 7
παρεγενομὴν ἐγὼ νέος ὧν, εκείνου μᾶλα On TOTE
ΕΒ /
ὄντος πρεσβύτου:
lal 7 9 / » ΄ Ν ᾽ [
EE. Τῷ μέν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀλύπως τε καὶ εὐηνίως
The use of the auxiliary verb
(see Gen. Introd.) is a feature
of Plato’s later style: and is
one of the points in which that
style approximates to the lan-
guage of tragedy.
2. εἴωθας ἥδιον]
commonly prefer ?”
3. μακρῷ λόγῳ διεξιέναι λέγων]
There is a slight emphasis on
λέγων. ‘Do you prefer to en-
large in an extended speech on
the subject which you desire
to explain, or to discuss the
matter (διεξιέναι) by means of
questions, a practice which I
“Do you
remember that Parmenides
used — ?”
4. olov — χρωμένῳ] οἷον 15
cognate or adverbial accus.,
hike ri—nyodvro above. Com-
pare Theet. 170 Ὁ : ti— ypn-
σόμεθα τῷ λόγῳ, and Lys. 213 ¢:
οὖν δὴ χρησώμεθα, where
there is an ellipse of the da-
tive, τῷ λόγῳ OY τοῖς λόγοις, as
here. It seems probable that
the Parmenides had been com-
posed, or at least planned, when
this passage and Theet. 184 a
were written.
ὃ. Τῷ —ddimas Te Kal
vies προσδιαλεγομένῳ] ‘“ With a
respondent who gives no trou-
ble and is guided easily.” It
,
τι
>
€un-
must be acknowledged that
most of the respondents in
Plato’s dialectical dialogues
have this virtue. They an-
swer in the spirit of the ques-
tioner, and accept true reason-
ing when it is placed before
them. When a sally is per-
mitted them, this is obviously
done either for the sake of
relieving the gravity of the
argument, or in order that
they may derive instruction
from their own mistakes, or
thirdly, in one or two rare
cases, that they may shew that
the highest truths are some-
times the intuitions of the
simple mind. Docility in the
pupil as well as the mens
divinior in the teacher is re-
quired for the purposes of dia-
lectic. This is less obviously
the case in the Republic and
Pheedo, where Glaucon and
Adimantus, Simmias and Cebes,
are allowed to propound their
difficulties, thus exhibiting an-
other aspect of the philosophic
spirit. Yet Glaucon claims the
merit of being a more facile
respondent than some others
would be. Rep. 5,474 a: ἴσως
ἂν ἄλλου του ἐμμελέστερον ἀπο-
κρινοίμην. Cf. Lege.7,797 ἃ. It
| le choo ΟΝ
to proceed
by ques-
tions, as
Parmeni-
des used,
and accepts
Thezetetus
for his re-
spondent ;
who, when
tired, will
be relieved
by Soera-
tes the
younger.
10
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
͵7 tn “ Ν ‘ ” > \
προσδιαλεγομένῳ paov οὕτω, τὸ πρὸς ἀλλον᾽ εἰ δὲ
/ Ἂς ᾽ « ,
μὴ, τὸ καθ᾽ αὑτον.
ΣΩ. "E€eore τοίνυν τῶν παρόντων ὃν ἄν βουληθῇς
> / A 4 Ν « / / 4
ἐκλέξασθαι: πάντες yap ὑπακούσονταί σοι πράως.
/ Ν ’ / al / ‘ © /
SovpBovA@ μὴν ἐμοὶ χρώμενος τῶν νέων τινὰ αἱρήσει,
͵ / “δ Ν ΄σ ΕΣ ” / Ν
Θεαίτητον τόνδε, ἢ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων εἰ τίς σοι κατὰ
νοῦν.
EE. ᾽Ὦ Σώκρατες, αἰδώς τίς μ᾽ ἔχει τὸ νῦν πρῶτον
/ « ΄σ 3, Ν 3,
συγγενομενον υὑμιν μὴ κατὰ σμικρὸν ἔπος 7 pos ἔπος
is curious to observe that the
Heracliteans of Ephesus (Theeet.
180) and the extreme mate-
rialists (Soph. 246) are de-
spaired of in this respect as
being incapable of dialectic, rod
δοῦναι καὶ δέξασθαι λόγον. For
the use of προς in προσδιαλε-
γομένῳ, compare ΤΠ Θεοῦ. 162 b,
προσπαλαίειν; 1b. 169 ο, προσανα-
τριψάμενος ; and for ὑπακούσον-
ται πράως, paullo infra, ef. Theeet.
162 a: pan ἐμμελῶς σοι ἐφαίνετο
ὑπακούειν. The community of
spirit between those convers-
ing is also dwelt on in Pheed.
58 d: καὶ μὴν, ὦ Φαίδων, καὶ τοὺς
ἀκουσομένους γε τοιούτους ἄλλους
ἔχεις. The adj. εὐήνιος occurs
with the ethical meaning =
obedient, tractable, Legg. 5,
730 b, 9, 880 a.
I. τὸ πρὸς ἄλλον ---- τὸ καθ᾽
αὑτόν] Se. διεξιέναι τοὺς λόγους.
4. πράως --οὐ δυσμενῶς οὐδὲ
μαχητικῶς, Theet. 168 b.
5. τῶν νέων τινά] As being
free from prepossessions and
more supple to follow the wind-
ings of an argument, cf. Parm.
137 b: 6 νεώτατος ; ἥκιστα yap
ἂν πολυπραγμονοῖ, καὶ ἃ οἴεται
Theeet.
162 b: μὴ ἕλκειν πρὸς τὸ γυμνά-
σιον σκληρὸν ἤδη ὄντα, τῷ δὲ δὴ
, > Δ > ,
μάλιστ αν αποκρινοιτο.
νεωτέρῳ καὶ ὑγροτέρῳ ὄντι προσπα-
λαίειν. Ib. 146 b.
8. αἰδώς τίς μ᾽ ἔχει] “A sort of
modesty comes over me at the
thought of continuing our in-
terview not colloquially but by
spinning a lengthened mono-
logue by myself, or even ad-
dressing myself to another at
length, which would only be a
kind of display. For the truth
is, that the word you have
now given us is not of such
easy compass as one might ex-
pect on hearing the question,
but requires an immense
amount of discussion.”
τὸ νῦν] The Vatican MS. (Δ)
and the Bodleian® and Venetian
(ΠῚ) first hand have preserved a
reading τὸν νοῦν, which is partly
due to the preceding νοῦν, and
partly to the intelligibleness of
the phrase αἰδώς μ᾽ ἔχει τὸν νοῦν.
But πρῶτον could have no mean-
ing without νῦν, and the article
is required to mark the limita-
tion of the preceding clause.
9. ἔπος πρὸς ἔπος] Cf. Ari-
® The Bodleian has τὸν νοῦν, with the omicron erased.
ΣΟΦΙΣΊΗΣ.
1]
an \ 7, , /
Wp. 217. ποιεῖσθαι τὴν συνουσίαν. ἀλλ᾽ ἐκτείναντα ἀπομηκύ-
ἢ -
Ὁ St 7) ᾿
OLOV ἐπίδειξιν ποιουμένον
/ Ν > 9 / 5 Ν \ “ἤ
ΘΟ VELV Aoyov συχνον KAT ἐμᾶαῦτον. ELTE Καὶ πρὸς ETEPOV,
A \ » τ τιν pout θὲ
T@ yap οντί TO VUV ρὴῆσεν
> oe ea 5 \ > / Ἂ cy “aks 53 7
οὐχ ὅσον ὧδε ἐρωτηθὲν ἐλπίσειεν ἂν αὑτὸ εἰναί τις,
5 \ 7 , / a \ \ 53 Ν
ἀλλὰ τυγχάνει λογου παμμήκους OV. TO δὲ αὖ σοὶ 5
\ lal yy A ᾿
μὴ χαρίζεσθαι καὶ τοῖσδε, ἄλλως τε καὶ σοῦ λέξαντος
« 5) 57 7 , / Ὁ °, > Ν
@S ELITES, ἀξενὸν Ul KATAPAlVvET al μοι και ἀγριον. E7TEL
7 / Ν / 5 /
Geairnrov ye τὸν προσδιαλεγόμενον εἰναι δέχομαι
, ’ @ > / / /
παντάπασιν ἐξ ὧν αὐτὸς TE πρότερον διείλεγμαι καὶ
Χ Ν fal /
σὺ τὰ νῦν μοι διακελεύει.
stoph. Nub.1379: κἀντεῦθεν μὲν,
οἷον εἶκος, ἔπος πρὸς ἔπος ἠρειδό-
μεσθα. And for the construc-
tion, see note on Theet. 193 ἃ:
δεξιὰ ἀριστερὰ μεταρρεού-
σης.
I. ἐκτείναντα — συχνόν] (ΟἿ,
Prot. 329 ἃ, Ὁ : ὥσπερ τὰ χαλ-
κεῖα πληγέντα μακρὸν ἠχεῖ καὶ
ἀποτείνει---καὶ οἱ ῥήτορες οὕτω
δολιχὸν κατατείνουσι τοῦ λόγου.
The whole passage should be
compared, also ib. 335 a, and
infr. 268 Ὁ. ἐκτείναντα ἀπομη-
κύνειν is probably a metaphor
taken from the act of drawing
out a thread in spinning, “ to
spin off a long yarn by my-
self.”
2. εἴτε --- ποιούμενον] As in
the conversation of Protagoras
with Socrates and Hippocrates
τ᾿ τοῦ 916-278. On the
other hand, the mythe and ar-
gument of Protagoras, pp. 320--
328, are not addressed to any
one in particular, and might
be said to be uttered either εἰς
TO μέσον OY καθ᾽ ἑαυτόν.
4. οὐχ ὅσον ὧδε ἐρωτηθὲν φαί-
νεται] Cf. Theet.147 ἃ : ἹῬάδιον,
s r a o , 3
ὦ Σώκρατες, νῦν ye οὕτω φαίνεται
C
>
εἰς
ἀτὰρ κινδυνεύεις ἐρωτᾷν οἷον κιτ.λ.
For the participle, cf. Phileb.
14 6: ἕν---τὰ πολλὰ εἶναι καὶ τὸ
ἕν πολλὰ θαυμαστὸν λεχθέν.
5. λόγου παμμήκους ὄν] “ Re-
quiring a lengthened argu-
ment.” Cf. Rep. 3, 414 6: πεῖσαι
δὲ συχνῆς πείθους. Legg. 5,730:
πολλῆς εὐλαβείας.
6. σοῦ λέξαντος ὡς εἶπες] 1. 6.
so courteously—referring chief-
ly to the opening words of
Socrates. Note the studied
variation of λέξαντος---εἶπες.
7. ἄξενον] “ Uncivil ;” in-
consistent with the courtesy
due to strangers. Cf. Eur. Fr.
ap. Stob. Fl. 126, 6: ᾿Ανὴρ
ἕξένοισιν ἄξενος.
καταφαίνετα)Ἠ A strength-
ened, perhaps chiefly poetical,
form of φαίνεται = “ appears dis-
tinctly.” Cf. Hom. H. Ap. 431,
and compare καθορᾷν, κατιδεῖν,
κατακουειν.
ἐπεὶ] “It were uyngracious:
for I can make no objection to
the respondent whom you offer
to me.” Theztetus had joined
in the conversation between
the Stranger and Theodorus on
the way.
5
--
Io
We are
agreed as
tothename
12
᾽
BEAL. ἾΑρα τοίνυν, ὦ ξένε, οὕτω καὶ, καθάπερ εἶπε p. 218. |p
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
= / cal / Vv
Σωκράτης, πᾶσι κεχαρισμένος ETEL;
cH OR
‘ \ ΄σ \ A /
Kuvduvever πρὸς μὲν ταῦτα οὐδὲν ἔτι λεκτέον
3 / 4 Ν a\ \ Ya Ν \ ΄ e
εἰναι, Θεαίτητε πρὸς δὲ σε ON TO μετὰ τοῦτο, ὡς
»Μ / ’ a‘ « / “Ὁ , ΕΣ lal ’
δέοικε, γίγνοιτ᾽ ἂν ὁ Aoyos. ἂν O apa τι τῷ μήκει
5 5) \ is , “- , 3 ἣν /
πονῶν axOn, μὴ ἐμὲ αἰτιᾶσθαι τούτων, ἀλλὰ τούσδε
\ Ν « /
TOUS σους ETALPOUS.
OEAT. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οἶμαι μὲν δὴ viv οὕτως οὐκ ἀπερεῖν"
Ὁ ον lo / Ν / /
av δ᾽ apa τι τοιοῦτον γίγνηται, Kal TOVvde παραληψο-
7 \ 4 \ «ς / 5 Ν
ιομεθα Σωκράτη, τὸν Σωκράτους μὲν ὁμώνυμον, ἐμὸν
\ e If , Ὁ ΄σ »
δὲ ἡλικιώτην καὶ συγγυμναστήν, ᾧ συνδιαπονεῖν μετ
lol Χ \ > ΕΣ
ἐμοῦ τὰ πολλὰ οὐκ ἀηθες.
53 an \
HE. Ed λέγεις, καὶ ταῦτα μὲν
os a NG P a ὍΣ ’
TpolovTos TOV Λογου KOLVY) OE PET
I. "Apa rowvv—eoer;| “ Will
you then in this (in select-
ing me) be doing also what
Socrates desired—ministering
to the gratification of all pre-
sent?” καὶ is separated from
πᾶσι κεχ. ἔσει by the insertion
of the clause καθάπερ εἶπε Σω-
κράτης. So infr. p. 241 ¢: καὶ,
καθάπερ νῦν εἶπες, ἀγαπήσεις ;
Tim. 20 ¢: καὶ μὲν δὴ, καθάπερ
εἶπε Τίμαιος ὅδε, k.7.A. Theet.
210 b: καὶ, ναὶ μὰ Δί᾽ ἔγωγε,
πλείω k.T.A. εἶπε Σ. refers to ἡμῶν
-- αἰτησάντων χάριν, in which
words Socrates had included
all present.
3. Kwédvveter — ἑταίρου) A
murmur of assent from the by-
standers must be supposed to
follow Theztetus’ words.
5. τῷ μήκει πονῶν] Stallbaum,
in his note, has substituted
πόνων for πονῶν, but the par-
ticiple is obviously right. For
idia βουλεύσει
é
> ΄
ἐμοῦ σοι συσ-
the dative,
681: πονῶν
xm.
6. μὴ ἐμὲ αἰτιᾶσθαι) Bodl. Vat.
Ven. Π. pe. The infinitive is
a softened imperative, cf. Rep.
5) 473 a; πῆ. 262 δ: ov por
φράζειν.
9. ἐὰν δὲ----Σωκράτη] So Pro-
tarchus relieves Philebus, when
tired. Phileb. τι €: ἀνάγκη
δέχεσθαι, Φίληβος yap ἡμῖν 6
καλὸς ἀπείρηκεν.
12. τὰ πολλὰ is better taken
as cognate accusative after
συνδιαπονεῖν than as adverbial to
οὐκ ἀηθές. ‘* Who is well used
in most things to share labours
with me.” Young Socrates ap-
pears in the Theztetus as a
mute personage, and shares
the credit of the geometrico-
arithmetical definition of the
irrational roots. Thezt. 147,
148.
cf. Soph. Trach.
πλευρὰν πικρᾷ γλω-
--
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
—
a.
ew
7 4 fal ε > Y a > 4
0. 218. κεπτέον ἀρχομένῳ πρῶτον, ὡς ἐμοὶ φαίνεται, νῦν ἀπὸ
“ fal - > / /
τοῦ σοφιστοῦ, ζητοῦντι καὶ ἐμφανίζοντι λόγῳ Ti ποτ᾽
” ᾿ς ᾿ \ ’ 4. IN , ΄ "7
ἔστι. νῦν γὰρ δὴ σύ [τε] κἀγὼ τούτου πέρι τοὔνομα
/ "7 ΤΣ Ν δὲ 4 Di fo > a
μόνον ἔχομεν κοινῇ" TO δὲ ἔργον, Eh ᾧ καλοῦμεν,
I. νῦν, which is opposed
to προϊόντος 7.X., and would
be joined most naturally with
συσκεπτέον, appears to be dis-
placed by ἃ conversational
hyperbaton, perhaps to avoid
the hiatus φαίνεται--- ἀπὸ, per-
haps drawn by a sort of at-
traction to the words which
indicate the immediate subject
of discourse. νῦν is again dis-
placed, apparently for euphony,
intieeeenc, 251 ΡΒ cf. also
Legg. 1, 627 b: τὸ δ᾽ ὑπὸ σοῦ
λεγόμενον μανθάνω νῦν.
2. ἐμφανίζοντι λόγῳ] “ Mak-
ing clear by argument.” Dia-
lectic is at once a process of
discovery and of proof. ἐμφανί-
ζοντι of course agrees with σοι
and not with ἐμοὶ, as Ast seems,
by some strange oversight, to
have supposed. λόγῳ is slightly
emphatic, and is referred to in
what immediately follows. évo-
pa =the name, is distinguished
on the one hand from ἔργον
or πρᾶγμα, the thing, and on
the other from λόγος, the de-
finition or true conception of
the thing. For the former, cf.
Cratyl. 413 6: αὐτὸ μηνύει τὸ
ἔργον τὸ ὄνομα ἡ ἀνρεία, and for
the latter, Thezt. 202, which
is closely related to the pre-
sent passage. The conception
of λόγος is the same in this
place as in the conclusion of
the Theetetus, viz. definition
through division or the ex-
pression of the characteristic
difference. ἔργον and λόγος are
here correlative, and not op-
posed, as in the common anti-
thesis ἔργῳ οὐ λόγῳ. The union
of both, τὸ πρᾶγμα αὐτὸ διὰ λόγων,
is opposed to the mere name,
TO ὄνομα μόνον χωρὶς λόγου. ‘The
variation οἵ ἔργον and πρᾶγμα is
perhaps due to the same re-
finement to which that of φῦ-
λον and γένος is owing. But
épyov is rather the Sophist’s
function, πρᾶγμα simply the
thing meant by the word. Cf.
also Legg. 9, 864 Ὁ: ἡμῖν δὲ
= Segue haa Geta }
Οὐκ εστι τὰ νυν ονοματῶν περι
δύσερις λόγος. Ib. 10, 895 d:
ap οὐκ ἂν ἐθέλοις περὶ ἑκάστου
τρία νοεῖν,---ὄν μὲν τὴν οὐσίαν, ἕν
δὲ τῆς οὐσίας τὸν λόγον, ἕν δὲ τὸ
ὄνομα κιτ.λ. Lb. 12, 964 ἃ: σκο-
πῶμεν τὸν εἰδότα ἱκανῶς περὶ ὧντι-
νωνοῦν, οἷς ἔστι μὲν ὄνομα, ἔστι δ᾽
αὖ καὶ λόγος, πότερον μόνον ἐπίστα-
σθαι τοὔνομα χρέων ἢ τόν γε ὄντα
τι καὶ περὶ τῶν διαφερόντων μεγέθει
καὶ κάλλει πάντα τὰ τοιαῦτα ayvo-
εἴν αἰσχρόν. φῦλον, tribe, is a
more poetical, because a newer,
metaphor, for the idea of Sort
or Kind than yévos, race or
Jamily. The search for the
Sophist is spoken of as a
branch of natural history. For
τὸ ὀνομα---συνωμολογήσασθαι, cf.
Theet. 164 c:
ὀνομάτων ὁμολογίας ὁμολογησά-
μενοι.
3. σύ [τε] κἀγώ] The Bodleian
MS. gives σὺ κἀγώ with the
rest, except Flor. i.
4. ef ᾧ καλοῦμεν] Se. τὸ
ὄνομα.
πρὸς τὰς τῶν
* Sophist.”
Our object
is to define
the thing,
and so to
bring to
light the
conception
which, it
may be, we
have seve-
rally within
our minds,
Great sub-
jects, it has
long been
felt, should
be ap-
proached
through
easy exam-
ples. And,
as the So-
phist is a
creature
difficult to τὸ Κα
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\ ee.’ Ν / \ o 5 Ἀ lal \
δὲ cael παντὸς πέρι TO πρᾶγμα αὐτὸ μᾶλλον διὰ
λόγων ἢ τοὔνομα μόνον συνομολογήσασθαι χωρὶς
7 Ν \ a A “. , ἊΝ rn >
λόγου. τὸ de φῦλον, ὃ νῦν ἐπινοοῦμεν ζγεῖν, οὐ
vA en ΄σ' 7 3,“ « ,
5πάντων ῥᾷστον συλλαβεῖν TL ποτ᾿ ἐστιν, ὁ σοφιστης.
lod > lal / lal lal ΄σ
ὅσα δ᾽ αὖ τῶν μεγάλων δεῖ διαπονεῖσθαι καλῶς, περὶ
΄ ,, 7 a Ν ΄ Ν ᾿ς
τῶν τοιούτων δέδοκται πᾶσι καὶ πάλαι τὸ πρότερον
5 cal Ν (on ff > \ Lad ἴω Ν 5
ἐν σμικροῖς καὶ ῥᾷοσιν αὐτὰ δεῖν μελετᾷν, πρὶν ἐν
> ΄ ΄σ / an 5 53 7 327)
αὐυτοις Τοῖς PEYLOTOLS. νυν OUI, 5) Θεαίτητε, EYWYE
4. τὸ δὲ φῦλον -- ὁδόν] “ Now
the Sophist tribe, which we are at
present minded to examine, is of
a nature which is not the easiest
in the world to comprehend.
Again, when a great subject is
to be adequately handled, it
has long since been the ap-
proved course in such a case
to try one’s hand upon the
question in trivial and easy
instances, before attempting
it in the great matter which
has been undertaken. On
the present occasion there-
fore, Thezetetus, I would re-
commend that you and I, con-
sidering the Sophist to be of a
kind which is difficult to cap-
ture and to chase, should try
our prentice hand on some
easier quarry, and make this a
preparatory study of the way
to find him, unless you have
at your command some more
feasible proposal.” Perhaps in
τὴν μέθοδον αὐτοῦ there is an
allusion to the literal mean-
ing of μετιέναι, ‘to pursue.’ Cf.
infr. 235 d.
οὐ πάντων ῥᾷστον Cf. inf.
274. 6. [ἢ ἘΠ Ρ: Ὁ; 10 τ οὐ
Ν lal -“ὔ / \ ,
ὶ νῷν οὕτω συμβουλεύω, χαλεπὸν καὶ δυσθήρευτον
πάντως ῥᾷστον διελθεῖν, πάντων
should probably be read.
7. καὶ πάλαι) “ Even from of
old.” Not only now but long
ago. Cf. Theet. 202 d: καὶ
πολλοί.
τὸ---δεῖν] The article marks
the infinitive as the subject of
the verb. περὶ τῶν τοιούτων may
be construed with δέδοκται, but
belongs rather to the whole
sentence. “In dealing with such
subjects it has long been the
general opinion that one should
first exercise inquiry on lesser
and easier topics.” αὐτὰ is vague,
resuming τῶν τοιούτων, but in a
more general sense = theinquiry
or the method of procedure.
10. χαλεπὸν---προμελετᾷν]} These
words are in apposition to οὕτω
after συμβουλεύω. χαλεπὸν =
“troublesome.” As if he were
some animal we were trying to
lay hold of. Cf. Polit.273 Ὁ: ὅσα
χαλεπὰ τὰς φύσεις (86. τῶν θηρίων),
and Rep. 6, 493 b: ὁπότε χαλε-
πώτατον καὶ πραότατον Kal ἐκ τίνων
γίγνεται. The metaphor, which
appears very slightly in τὸ φῦ-
ov — συλλαβεῖν, 15. more dis-
tinctly present here, and in
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
« / ny ἊΝ ων ‘a / / »
Τρ. 218. ηγησαμένοις εἰναι τὸ τοῦ σοφιστοῦ γένος πρότερον ἐν
p. 219.
LAX δ} Ν 6 ὃ > nan Ἃ lal > Ν
a ῳ βῴονι ΤῊΨν μέσοοον αὐτοὺυ Τρομε ETAV, ει μὴ OU
7
Ε] / yy , lay A « /
ποθεν εὐπετεστέραν Exes εἰπεῖν ἄλλην οδὸν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐκ ἔχω.
/ “ ΄ a
EE. Βούλει δῆτα περί τινος τῶν φαύλων μετιόντες
πειραθῶμεν παράδειγμα αὐτὸ θέσθαι τοῦ μείζονος ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
ΞΕ. Ti δῆτα προταζαίμεθ᾽
καὶ σμικρόν, λόγον δὲ μηδενὸς
“Ὁ 77 Ν
ἄν εὐγνωστον μέν
>’ 7 vy ΄σ-
ἐλαττονα ἐχον τῶν
/ © » La ie) > an / /
μειζόνων $ OLOV ἀσπαλιευτὴς ap OV πᾶσι TE γνω-
a > 4 ΄σ ἊΝ /
ριμον καὶ σπουδῆς οὐ πάνυ τι πολλῆς τινὸς ἐπάξιον :
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὕτως.
EE. Μέθοδον μὴν αὐτὸν ἐλπίζω καὶ λόγον οὐκ
5 7 Chae » Ἀ a 7
ἀνεπιτήδειον ἡμῖν ἔχειν πρὸς ὃ βουλομεθα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καλῶς ἂν ἔχοι.
the word δυσθήρευτον, which is
partly suggested by χαλεπὸν
and partly by οὐ ῥάδιον συλλα-
Bev, the image of the chase,
which is continued afterwards,
is fully brought out.
2. τὴν μέθοδον αὐτοῦ προμελε-
rav| “ΤῸ practise beforehand
the method, which is proper
to be applied to him.” For the
genitive αὐτοῦ, see below: μέθο-
Sov μὴν αὐτὸν ἐλπίζω----ἔχειν.
For ποθὲν, cf. Polit. 257 d:
κινδυνεύετον ἄμφω ποθὲν ἐμοὶ συγ-
γένειαν ἔχειν τινά.
5. μετιόντες) Used absolutely,
as in Protag. 350 d: εἰ οὕτω με-
τιὼν ἔροιό με. It is natural that
words like μετιέναι and χρῆσθαι
(supr. 217 6), which recur often
with the same object (λόγος),
should sometimes be used
alone.
6. παράδειγμα θεῖναι] Cf. Polit.
277 ὃ sqq., where the nature
of such examples is explained.
The “large letters” of the Re-
public afford an apparent in-
stance of the converse method.
But in each case the inquiry
advances from the less known
to the more known.
8. προταξαίμεθ᾽ ἂν] Se. ζητεῖν
ΟΥ̓ μετιέναι.
10. οἷον ἀσπαλιευτής) The con-
struction is absolute. Cf. Theset.
178 6: οἷον θερμά, ἄρα x.7.d.
Euthyd. 302 a: οἷον βοῦς καὶ
πρόβατα, dpa k.t.d. alib.
II. ov πάνυ τι πολλῆς τινός]
“ Worth no very great amount
of interest.”
15. Καλῶς ἂν ἔχοι] “That is
well.” Theexpression is slightly
hypothetical. Theztetus takes
the Stranger’s word for what
he himself does not clearly
see,
Io
hs
on
catch, it is
advisable
to adopt
this plan
with him.
Let the
angler be ~
our ex-
ample, in
which to
practise the
method of
definition.
10 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
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/ ξ 7 » Ν ΕΣ 3) 32 A
πότερον WS τεχνίτην αὐτὸν ἢ τινα ἄτεχνον, ἀλλὴν δὲ
ΕΣ /
δύναμιν ἔχοντα, θήσομεν ;
A ad ΄ 7
ΘΕΑΙ. ἭΚκιστα γε ἄτεχνον.
> \ ἴω cal ΄- A
Heisan 5 EH. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τῶν ye τεχνῶν πασῶν σχεδὸν
artist, and Ks 7
there are εἰδὴ δυο.
two kinds Ξ
of art: OEAI. [las ;
— / \ Ν a Ν XN 6 3 ΄σ
=i Dip Γεωργία μέν K&L 007) πέρι ΤΟ νῆτον πᾶν
an 7 7 3 \ Ν 7ὔ \
σῶμα θεραπεία, τὸ τε ad περὶ τὸ ξύνθετον καὶ
-
/ a \ a 7 A /
ιοτλαστον, Ὁ δὴ σκεῦος ὠνομάκαμεν, ἣ TE μιμητική, b
72 “ / > x CEN / δ νῆι
ξύμπαντα TAVTA OLKALOTAT αν EVL 7 POO AYOPEVOLT αν
» /
ονοματι.
ΘΕΑΙ. [as καὶ τίνι:
— ΄- «“ “δ Ν , / Ὰ a ,
=E. [lav ὅπερ av μὴ πρότερον τις ov ὕστερον eis
I. αὐτοῦ is probably neuter.
Cf. Rep. 2, 369 b: εἰ γιγνομένην
πόλιν θεασαίμεθα λόγῳ --- οὐκοῦν
γενομένου αὐτοῦ.
2. ἄτεχνον, ἄλλην δὲ δύναμιν
ἔχοντα] For the qualifying
clause with δὲ, compare Polit.
277 ¢: τοῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοις διὰ χει-
ρουργιῶν, et passim; and for
the etymological use of ἄτεχνον,
cf. Thezt. 168 a: ἀντὶ----φιλοσό-
ov μισοῦντας τοῦτο TO πρᾶγμα.
Legg. 7, 810 ἃ: φιλοσοφοῦντα
μηδὲ μισοῦντα. Ib. 10, 886 ο:
Θεογονίαν --- γενόμενοί τε ὡς πρὸς
ἀλλήλους ὡμίλησαν.
4. Ἥκιστά γε] γε, though
omitted by the Bodleian MS.,
with AT, is probably right, and
expresses assent to the meaning
of the question.
8. πᾶν σῶμα] “ All,” col-
lectively, as in Ar. Eth. Nice.
1. 13. ὃ 7: ὀφθαλμὸν καὶ πᾶν
σῶμα. For σκεῦος = ξύνθετον
καὶ πλαστόν, cf. Rep. 2, 381 ἃ:
καὶ μὴν καὶ τά γε Evvbera
πάντα, σκεύη τε καὶ οἰκοδομήματα
καὶ ἀμφιέσματα. σκεῦος here de-
notes what is manufactured,
(compounded or moulded,) as
distinguished from organized
bodies; cf. Rep. 10, 596 d.
σῶμα acquires a still more
general meaning in Phileb. 29
d, infr. 246 a.
11. δικαιότατ᾽ av ἑνὶ] The Bod-
leian, with a corrector of the
Coislinian MS., gives ay twice
over, after δικαιότατα and προσ-
ayopevotro.
14. Πᾶν ὅπερ] “ In the case of
everything, which—.” The ac-
cusative is placed, as if abso-
lutely, at the beginning of the
sentence, and is rather governed
by φαμὲν than by ἄγοντα. Cf.
Polit.295 d: πᾶν τὸ τοιοῦτον Evp-
βαινον, where the accusative is
absolute. And infr. τὸ----μαθημα-
τικὸν---εἶδος. Forthe meaning, cf.
Theet. 155 Ὁ: ὃ μὴ πρότερον ἦν,
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ. 17
p. 219. οὐσίαν ayy, τὸν μὲν ἄγοντα ποιεῖν, τὸ δὲ ἀγόμενον
ποιεῖσθαί πού φαμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Ορθῶς.
BE. Τὰ δέ ye νῦν δὴ [ἃ] διήλθομεν ἅπαντα εἶχεν
εἰς τοῦτο τὴν αὑτῶν δύναμιν. 5
OEAI. Εἶχε yap οὖν.
SE. Ποιητικὴν τοίνυν αὐτὰ συγκεφαλαιωσάμενοι Anes
προσείπωμεν. :
6. ΘΈΑΙ. "ἕστω.
EE. To δὴ μαθηματικὸν αὖ μετὰ τοῦτο εἶδος ὅλον
_
°
ΝῊ Ν - / , \ Qi Ὁ
καὶ TO TNS YUMPLOEWS TO TE KPNMATLOTLKOV και AYW-
ἀλλὰ ὕστερον τοῦτο εἶναι ἄνευ τοῦ “ Well, if we take next to this
γενέσθαι καὶ γίγνεσθαι ἀδύνατον; the whole department of learn-
Symp. 205 Ὁ: ἡ γάρ ro ek τοῦ ing and of acquiring know-
μὴ ὄντος eis τὸ ὃν ἰόντι ὁτῳοῦν ledge, with those of money-
αἰτία πᾶσά ἐστι ποίησις. Pro- making,contention and pursuit,
duction is more fully described since none of these produces,
in Legg. 10, 894 a: γίγνεται but they are engaged either in
δὴ πάντων γένεσις, ἥνικ᾽ ἂν τί πάθος conquering, or in preventing
ἢ; δῆλον ὡς ὁπόταν ἀρχὴ λαβοῦσα ~=men from conquering, that
αὔξην εἰς τὴν δευτέραν ἔλθη μετά- which already exists and has
βασιν, καὶ ἀπὸ ταύτης εἰς τὴν πλή-ἠἑ been produced,— on account
σιον, καὶ μέχρι τριῶν ἐλθοῦσα of all these sections, it will ap-
αἴσθησιν σχῇ τοῖς αἰσθανομένοις. pear most suitable to use the
4. Ta δέ ye viv δὴ [a] διήλθο- term ‘acquisitive art.” “It
μεν] “But those things which will indeed wear an appro-
we just now enumerated.” ais priate look.” Observe that no
omitted in the Bodleian and attempt is made to look for the
seven other MSS. The reading Sophist either in the μαθηματι-
a δέ ye νῦν δὴ διήλθομεν, which is κὸν ΟΥ̓γνωριστικὸν εἶδος τῶν τεχ-
adopted by the Zurich editors, νῶν. The construction of the
is due to a corrector of the sentence is not determined from
Coislinian MS. But the read- the beginning, but the accusa-
ing in the text is preferable tives (which are resumed in
as being less obvious; and the ταῦτα ξυνάπαντα τὰ μέρη) simply
inversion (νῦν δὴ ἃ for a viv δὴ) follow the analogy of ποιητικὴν
is in the manner of these dia- —avra.
logues. (The old edd. had νῦν μαθηματικὸνἹ So the Bod-
a δή with BEF.) leian MS. Here, as in Ar. Met.
For ra—a, cf. Rep.8,585 b: I.1, the MSS. vary between
τὰ οἷον σίτου τε καὶ ποτοῦ καὶ ὄψου. μαθηματ. and μαθητ.
10, Τὸ δὴ --- πρέποι γὰρ ἄν]
D
18 ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
Ν Ν / > ‘ “ \ sal
νιστικὸν καὶ OnpevTiKov,—e7reLOn δημιουργεῖ μὲν οὐδὲν Pp. 219. })
/ \ \ 7 Ν / ‘ \ ω
τούτων, τὰ δὲ ὄντα καὶ γεγονότα τὰ μεν χειροῦται
7 Us \ \ a / >
λόγοις καὶ πράζεσι, Ta δὲ TOL χειρουμενοις ουκ
> , 7 ᾽ "7 Ν ad ΄ Ν
ἐπιτρέπει,----μαλιστ᾽ ἂν που διὰ ταῦτα ξυνάπαντα τα
’ 7 Ν ΄σ ὃ /
And an art 5 μέρη τέχνη τις κτητικὴ λεχθεῖσα av διαπρέψειεν.
of getting.
The an-
gler’s is an
art of get-
ting.
ΘΕΑΙ. Nai: πρέποι yap av.
Lal \ Lal ¢ ral : » ΄
HE. Κτητικῆς δὴ καὶ ποιητικῆς ξυμπασῶν οὐσῶν
a “ ᾽ 7 Χ > , 3 Us
τῶν τεχνῶν ἐν ποτέρᾳ τὴν ἀσπαλιευτικὴν, ὦ Θεαί-
TNTE, τιθῶμεν:
BEAL. Ἔν κτητικῇ που δῆλον.
2. τὰ μὲν χειροῦται λόγοις] Cf.
Euthyd. 290b, where geometers
&c.are classed amongst @npevrat.
3 ’ ~ > ,
4. ἐπιτρέπει] SC. χειροῦσθαι αὐτά.
, > ” ΄
μάλιστ᾽ ἄν που ---διαπρέψειεν]
So Bodl. δ. Π| 1. : cett. διαγρά-
Ψειεν. If we compare the cor-
responding clause in the pre-
ceding context, supr. Ὁ, ξύμ-
mavra ταῦτα --- ὀνόματι, it ap-
pears that no rendering of
these words 15 satisfactory
which separates ταῦτα from
ξυνάπαντα τὰ peépyn-(e. g. Stallb.
“maximé propterea has partes
cunctas—dici decebit :’ which
is also objectionable because
of the harshness of the at-
traction, λεχθεῖσα for λεχθέντα).
The same objection holds (un-
less διὰ were omitted) against
the reading διαγράψειεν, which
was justly suspected on other
grounds by Heindorf. Hence
the preceding accusatives,
which are absolute, are re-
sumed with a new construc-
tion in ταῦτα ξυνάπαντα τὰ μέρη:
and the words mean either, as
above rendered, “an art of ac-
quisition is the most suitable
to be named on account of all
these parts” (cf. Polit. 269 ο:
πρέψει ῥηθέν. ib. 288 6: τοῦτο
----Ὗτούτοις ἕν ὄνομα ἅπασιν πρέψει
προσαγορευθέν), or, by a return
to poetical usage, suggested by
the rare verb, διὰ may per-
haps be construed “through-
out,” and διαπρέψειεν may re-
tain something of the original
meaning of “ looking brightly
forth.’ “ An art of acquisition
will, when named, be seen
clearly to pervade all these
sections.” Cf. Emped. Fr. vv.
5,6: τρὶς μὲν μυρίας ὥρας ἀπὸ μακά-
ρὼν ἀλαλῆσθαι γεινόμενον παντοῖα
διὰ χρέω εἴδεα θνητῶν. Hom.
Hymn to Hermes, vv. 350, 1:
ὄφρα μὲν οὖν ἐδίωκε διὰ ψαμα-
θωδέα χῶρον, ῥεῖα μάλ᾽ ἴχνια
πάντα διέπρεπεν ἐν κονίῃσιν. The
latter interpretation makes the
anacoluthon easier, and gives
a more appropriate meaning
to the compound verb, but is
too singular to be asserted with
confidence. For μάλιστα, ef. infr.
266a: τὼ δὲ ὑπολοίπω σχεδὸν
μάλιστ᾽ ἂν λεγοίσθην εἰδωλοποϊκώ.
6. πρέποι γὰρ av] Se. οὕτω
λεχθεῖσα.
το. δῆλον] Se. ὅτι.
ῃ Ρ. 210.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 19
HE. Κτητικῆς δὲ ap’ ov δύο εἴδη ; τὸ μὲν ἑκόντων
\ Cees \ Ἂ , - δ
προς ἑκόντας μεταβλητικὸν ὃν διά τε δωρεῶν καὶ
us » 4 \ > ᾽
μισθώσεων καὶ ἀγοράσεων ; τὸ δὲ λοιπὸν ἢ KaT Not by
ἘΠ A Ἢ , 3 ; \ contract or
ἐργα ἢ κατὰ λόγους χειρούμενον ξύμπαν χειρωτικὸν — exchange,
but con-
Ἂ ”
QV εἰὴ 3 quest.
ΘΙΕΑΙ. Φαίνεται γοῦν ἐκ τῶν εἰρημένων.
hn / / ‘ Ἀ 5 —
SE. Τί δέ; τὴν χειρωτικὴν ap ov διχῇ τμητέον ;
SEAT. In;
—) N \ Nancy :
HE. To μὲν ἀναφανδὸν ὅλον ἀγωνιστικὸν {θέν-ὀ Δυὰ this
not by
ἊΝ \ ΄- » tad a ,
τες , To de κρυφαῖον αὐτῆς πᾶν θηρευτικόν.
CEAI,. Ναί
HE. Τὴν δέ γε μὴν θηρευτικὴν ἄλογον τὸ μὴ οὐ
τέμνειν διχῇ.
~ GEAI. Λέγε ὅπῃ.
HE. Τὸ μὲν ἀψύχου
ἐμψύχου.
γένους διελομένους, τὸ δ᾽
GEAI. Τί μήν ; εἴπερ ἔστον γε ἄμφω.
σι
10 force but
craft.
‘ “ \ > Μ la . qn Ν
Gi. ἸΙῶς δὲ οὐκ ἐστον ; καὶ δεῖ ye ἡμᾶς τὸ μὲν Now οἱ
2. μεταβλητικὸν ὃν---κειρωτικὸν
av etm] For the independent
verb in the second of two de-
pendent clauses, see Theet.
149 6: δύνανται ἐγείρειν τε----καὶ
-ο-Οἀμβλίσκουσιν, et passim.
3. ἢ κατ᾽ ἔργα ἢ κατὰ λόγους]
Like λόγοις καὶ πράξεσι above.
Science is here included under
χειρωτικῆ. Knowledge is like
the kingdom of heaven, which
the violent take by force.
4. χειρούμενον is possibly
passive, like ἀνασπώμενον, intr.
221 (where see note), but this
is less probable with the ac-
tive χειροῦται preceding, supr. Ὁ.
See also 220 ὃ: τὸ μὲν --
ποιεῖται τὴν θήραν. 225 6, ἀμφι-
σβητοῦν.
D
ξύμπαν) I. 6. while undi-
vided. So ὅλον, πᾶν, κιτ.λ., In
what follows.
9. tdetest] Se. τέμνωμεν.
θέντας Heind. and Par. E. corr.
The MS. confirmation is too
slight to justify the admission
of a conjecture, which must
however be regarded as pro-
bable. Cf. infir. διελομένους. But
see Polit. 302 d: καὶ ταύτην
ἡμῖν θετέον ἐστὶ διπλῆν. Πῶς δή ;
καὶ τίνι διαιροῦντες ταύτην.
12. ἄλογον] “ Tllogical.”
I. e. Undiscriminating: the
function of λόγος being to dis-
tinguish. Cf. Thezet. sub fin.
17. εἴπερ ἔστον ye aude]
I. 6. if there is ἃ θήρα τῶν
ἀψύχων.
[2]
-
catching by
craft, one
kind pur-
sues in-
animate
things, the
other ani-
mals,
And the
art of ani-
mal-catch-
ing pursues
either land
or water-
prey. Of
aquatic
creatures,
some fly,
some only
swim ;
whence
fowling is
distin-
guished
from fish-
ing.
20
σι ᾽ 7 7 ako 4 ᾽ » “
τῶν ἀψύχων, ἀνώνυμον *ov* πλὴν κατ᾽ Evia τῆς Pp. 220. }}
MAATQNOZ
“ 3, Ν ~ 3 », 4
κολυμβητικῆς ἄττα μέρη καὶ τοιαῦτ᾽ ἄλλα βραχέα,
/ 5. Ν ὃ , a » ΄ὔ , 5 θ ,
χαίρειν ἐᾶσαι, TO δέ, τῶν ἐμψύχων ζώων οὖσαν θήραν,
προσειπεῖν ζωοθηρικήν.
ΘΕΑΙ. "Eoro.
EE. Ζωοθηρικῆς δὲ ap οὐ διπλοῦν εἶδος ἂν λέ.
> / Ν \ “22 Ζ / -“ vy
yoto ἐν δίκῃ, TO μὲν πεζοῦ γένους, πολλοῖς εἴδεσι
Ν 3 / / / ἈΝ , os
καὶ ὀνόμασι διῃρημένον, πεζοθηρικόν. τὸ δ᾽ ἕτερον
lod 4 ca. > /
VEVO TLKOU ζώου παν ενυγροθηρικον 9
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ γε.
a \ Ν \ \ ΄σ € vad
SE. Νευστικοῦ μὴν τὸ μὲν πτηνὸν φῦλον ορώμεν,
τὸ δὲ ἔνυδρον ;
OCEAL. Hos & ov;
a a Χ ,ὔ lal « ΄σ c
=E. Καὶ tov πτηνοῦ μὴν γένους πᾶσα ημῖν ἢ
I. ἀνώνυμον Ὁ] MSS. ἐᾶν
(sic Bodl.) ὃν is Heindorf’s
conjecture. Cf. Polit. 260e:
ἀνώνυμον ὃν τυγχάνει τὸ γένος.
The difference of tense (ἐᾷν---
ἐᾶσαι) forbids the notion of an
epexegesis like that in Legg.
3, 6907 a: τὸ δὲ τριχῇ διελεῖν----
πειραθῶμεν διατεμεῖν. Cf., how-
ever, Parm. Fr. 725 : τὴν μὲν ἐᾷν
Plat. Lege.
9, 878 b: ἀνώνυμον ἐᾷν.
τῆς κολυμβητικῆς ἄττα μέρη]
E. g. ἡ τῶν σπογγοκολυμβητῶν
>
ἀνόητον, ἀνώνυμον.
θήρα. Υ. Oppian Halieut. V.
612.
11. Νευστικοῦ] “οἱ what
swims.” The article is some-
times omitted before a generic
or collective word. Cf. infr.
221 bh: ξυμπασῆς --τέχνης. Mr.
Grote remarks on this (Plato,
&c., vol. ii. p. 401): “ Plato
considers the air as a fluid
/ / / / > /
15 θήρα λέγεταί ποὺ τις ὀρνιθευτικη.
birds swim.” But
the νευστικά πτηνά are the
water-fowl. The expression
πᾶσα ---ἡ θήρα below probably
implies that only a part of
ὀρνιθευτικὴ has been previously
mentioned. In Legg. 7,824 6
the ἐνυγροθηρευτὴς is distin-
guished from the ὀρνιθευτὴς,
and is forbidden to exercise
in which
his art in harbours, or in
sacred rivers, marshes, or
pools. In the present passage
évvypos is distinguished from
ἔνυδρος, “in wet” from “ under
water,’ the former term in-
cluding the latter. The Eleate
shews his dialectical skill in
proving that ‘“ aquatie sport”
is not an adequate definition
of the fisherman’s craft.
14. πᾶσα---ἡ θήρα] 1. 6. not
only of the νευστικὸν πτηνόν but
of all that flies. The objection
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 21
OEAI. Λέγεται yap οὖν.
HE. Tod δὲ ἐνύδρου σχεδὸν τὸ σύνολον ἁλιευτική.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
/ / 5 Ν / oh) ’ “Δ \
BE. Τί δέ; ταύτην ad τὴν θήραν ap οὐκ av κατὰ
μέγιστα μέρη δύο διελοίμην ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Κατὰ ποῖα:
ἃ δ / ΄ \
HE. Kad’ a τὸ μὲν ἕρκεσιν αὐτόθι ποιεῖται τὴν
θήραν, τὸ δὲ πληγῇ.
ΘΈΑΙ. Πῶς λέγεις, καὶ πῇ διαιρούμενος ἑκάτερον;
δ / / “ “ a‘ σ“ /
ΞΕ. To pev,—ore πᾶν ὅσον av ἕνεκα κωλυσεως
7 ie “ Ν >’ 7
εἰργῃ τι περιέχον, EPKOS εἰκὸς ὀνομάζειν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
BE. Κύρτους δὴ καὶ δίκτυα καὶ βρόχους καὶ
΄ Ν \ a lal + Χ σ΄
ποόρκοὺυς καὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα μῶν ἄλλο τι πλὴν ἐρκὴ
χρὴ προσαγορεύειν:
of Aristot., de Part. Anim. I. 2,
applies here: προσήκει μὴ δια-
σπᾷν ἕκαστον γένος, οἷον τοὺς ὄρνι-
θας τοὺς μὲν ἐν τῆδε τοὺς δ᾽ ἐν
ἄλλῃ διαιρέσει, καθάστερ ἔχουσιν ai
γεγραμμέναι διαιρες εἰς.
7. αὐτόθι] (Par. F. αὐτόθεν).
Hither (if αὐτόθι is emphatic,
for which somewhat rare use
in Attic cf. Lege. 3, 702 0);
“The one pursues his game
with enclosures in the very
haunts of his prey.” But the
adverb in this case belongs
rather to the noun than the
verb. Or, better, referring to
evvdpov supr., “The one pur-
sues his game there with en-
closures, the other by striking.”
αὐτόθι is then taken equally
with both clauses, and the sole
emphasis is laid on ἕρκεσιν as
opposed to πληγῇ. Plato im-
plies that the word ἕρκος is to
be derived from εἴργω.
10, Τὸ μὲν--τοιοῦτον] The sen-
tence is interrupted by the
minor premiss, κύρτους «.7.A., in
which the general definition of
ἕρκος is applied, and τὸ μὲν is
more explicitly resumed in τοῦτο
μέν. τοῦτο refers to the processes
connected with creels, nets,
and the other implements just
mentioned, amongst which πόρ-
kos seems to have been rather
a rush-basket than anet. ‘One
kind—since all that encloses
anything to prevent egress
may naturally be termed an en-
closure. (Certainly.) Whence
baskets and casting-nets, and
nooses and creels, and the like
must be called enclosures and
nothing else. (Exactly.) This
department therefore of the
sport we shall name ‘fishing
by enclosure.”
14. ἄλλο] Bodl. om.
on
Of fishing
there are
two chief
parts, one
working by
enclosure,
as with
baskets,
creels, and
nets, the
10 other by
striking ;
and this
sometimes
at night,
by torch-
light, some-
times by
day with
, barbed
points.
These are
either im-
pelled from
above, as
inspearing,
or jerked
up from be-
neath, with
canes or
rods, into
the head
or lips of
the prey.
5
OO
a
OEAI. Οὐδέν.
2 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
— yy σ \ y « Ν “ 4 Ν
ΞῈ..- -Γοῦτο μὲν apa ἑρκοθηρικὸν τῆς ἀγρας τὸ
/ / Ὑ ~
μέρος φήσομεν, ἢ TL τοιοῦτον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Nai.
5 ΞΕ, Τὸ δὲ ἀγκίστροις καὶ τριόδουσι πληγῇ γιγνό-
- \ ᾽ / \ / /
μενον ETEPOV μεν εκείνου, πληκτικὴν δέ τινα θήραν
tf A va CuK / a Jf “Ὁ / ΕΣ
ἡμᾶς προσειπεῖν evi λόγῳ νὺν χρεῶν. ἢ TL τις ἂν,
> 5) ΄
[ὦ] Θεαίτητε, εἴποι κάλλιον ;
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αμελῶμεν τοῦ ὀνόματος" ἀρκεῖ γὰρ καὶ
τοτοῦτο.
= Ey TH 7, a \ \ , 5
μὰ, bs τοίνυν πληκτικὴς TO μὲν νυκτερινον, οἶμαι,
Ν XN a / « ᾽ » cal lal Ν \
πρὸς πυρὸς φῶς γιγνόμενον ὑπ αὐτῶν τῶν περὶ THY
θήραν πυρευτικὴν ῥηθῆναι συμβέβηκεν.
OEAI. Πάνυ γε.
/ ec 3 ΄ 3,
ΞῈ. Τὸ δέ γε μεθημερινόν, ὡς ἐχόντων ἐν ἄκροις
3, a ΄ /
ἄγκιστρα καὶ TOV τριοδόντων, πᾶν ἀγκιστρευτικόν.
/ \ 3
GEAI. Λέγεται yap οὖν.
EE. Τοῦ τοίνυν a ἢ τῆς πληκτικῆς τὲ
μι de OU τοινὺυν AYKLOT PEVTLKOU TNS TANKTLKNS TO
\ A 5 \ 7 “ \ \ ΄σ /
μὲν ἄνωθεν εἰς TO κάτω γιγνόμενον διὰ TO τοῖς TPLO-
,
κέκληται.
ΘΈΑΙ. Φασὶ γοῦν τινές.
ο 7 la , 5
οδουσιν οὕτω μάλιστα χρῆσθαι τριοδοντία τις, οἶμαι,
Ν ip ’ὔ aA Μ / e o
ZE. To δέ ye λοιπὸν ἐστιν ἕν ἔτι μόνον, ὡς εἰπεῖν,
εἰδος.
ὃ: [o] ] i.
12. πρὸς πυρὸς φῶς γιγνόμενον]
The nocturnal branch of the
art of striking fish, as it is pur-
sued by fire-light, has received
from those who practise it the
name of ‘ firing.’
16. πᾶν ἀγκιστρευτικόν] Se. ἐρ-
ρήθη from ῥηθῆναι συμβέβηκεν.
ἀγκιστρευτικόν] This notion
reappears in Legg. 7, 823 e
(a curious passage): ὦ φίλοι,
εἰθ᾽ ὑμᾶς μήτε τὶς ἐπιθυμία μήτ᾽
ἔρως τῆς περὶ θάλατταν θήρας ποτὲ
λάβοι, μηδὲ ἀγκιστρείας" μηδ᾽ ὅλως
τῆς τῶν ἐνύδρων ζώων, μήτε ἐγρη-
γορόσι μήτε εὕδουσι κύρτοις (cf.
supr. b.) ἀργὸν θήραν διαπονουμέ-
νοις. (Cf. Opp. Halieut. 3, et
566. : κύρτοις, οἱ κνώσσοντας ἑοὺς
ηὔφρηναν ἄνακτας.)
20. οὕτω] Sc. ἄνωθεν εἰς τὸ κάτω.
χρῆσθαι] Sc. τοὺς περὶ τὴν τέχ-
νην. Cf. Gorg. 457 ὁ, δύνανται.
p. 220. |p
fh
d
ee
Bp. 2.20.
2 221.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 23
OEAI. To ποῖον ;
HE. To τῆς ἐναντίας ταύτῃ πληγῆ:, ἀγκίστρῳ TE
γιγνόμενον καὶ τῶν ἰχθύων οὐχ 7) τις ἂν τύχῃ τοῦ σώ-
απο; ὥσπερ τοῖς τριόδουσιν, ἀλλὰ περὶ τὴν κεφαλὴν
καὶ τὸ στόμα τοῦ θηρευθέντος ἑκάστοτε, καὶ κάτωθεν 5
> 3 / yy e7 Ν / > ΄ὔ
εἰς τουναντιον aAV@ ῥάβδοις καὶ καλάμοις ἀνασπῶ-
Ὁ 7 ͵ 53 , rn 27
μενον οὗ τί φήσομεν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, δεῖν τοὔνομα
λέγεσθαι:
OHAI. Δοκῶ μέν, ὅπερ ἄρτι προὐθέμεθα δεῖν
3 tal ΓΈ) 3 XN a > /
ἐξευρεῖν, τοῦτ αὐτὸ νῦν ἀποτετελέσθαι.
ἘΠῚ No yf o » las / / 3 \
i. Nouv apa τῆς ἀσπαλιευτικὴς πέρι σὺ TE KAY
7 » ΄ 27 » \
συνωμολογήκαμεν οὐ μονον τοὔνομα, ἀλλὰ
SIN
Καὶ TOV
, Ν SIN 5 5. 7 ε A ,
λόγον περὶ αὐτὸ τοὔργον εἰλήφαμεν ἱκανῶς. ξυμπά-
σης γὰρ τέχνης
\ \ “ ,ὔ Ν 53
TO μὲν ἡμίσυ μέρος κτητικον ἣν,
a \ , a \ a
κτητικοῦ δὲ χειρωτικόν, χειρωτικοῦ δὲ θηρευτικόν, τοῦ
3. 7 τις ἂν τύχῃ] “ Wherever
one may chance to hit.” rvy-
χάνω is here in transition from
the literal to the metaphorical
meaning (from “hit” to
Ὁ chance”).
9. ὅπερ---ἐξευρεῖν] “ The dis-
covery of which we set before
us as a task.” Cf. ri οὖν mpora-
ξόμεθα supra, and, for the pleo-
nasm of δεῖν, Rep. 6, 503 ¢:
ἣν yap διήλθομεν φύσιν δεῖν ὑπ-
4. ὥσπερ τοῖς τριόδουσιν] Se. ἀρχειν αὐτοῖς. Ib. 7, 535 a:
γίγνεται ἡ πληγή. δεῖν ἐκλεκτέον. Phil. 50 ἃ.
6. ἀνασπώμενον] This neuter 12. τὸν λόγον περὶ αὐτὸ τοὖργον]
participle, like γιγνόμενον, 15 Ρ88- “The definition embracing
sive, the cognate accusative of closely the thing itself,” vid.
the active becoming the sub- supr. 218 6. Cf. also Legg.
ject of the passive verb. See 10, 895 d (already quoted) :
General Introduction. ‘“ The περὶ ἕκαστον τρία νοεῖν ---- ἕν pee
kind which is characterized by
the stroke opposite to this,
made with a barbed point not
in any chance part of the body
as is done with spears, but
about the head and mouth of
the prey, and in the opposite
direction, being effected with
an upward jerking movement
by means of rods and canes.”
τὴν οὐσίαν, ἕν δὲ τῆς οὐσίας τὸν
λόγον, ἕν δὲ τὸ ὄνομα, with which
compare Ep. 7, 342.
13. εἰλήφαμεν] The expression
is amplified in the second clause
and a new verb introduced, as
often in Plato.
14. τὸ μὲν ἥμισυ μέρος] “ The
one half’’—the other, ποιητική,
is passed over here.
=
This last
distinction
completes
the defini-
tion of the
“Art of
angling.”
Of which
we now
possess in
common,
not the
namealone,
but an
exact con-
ception ex-
pressed in
words.
24 ΠΛΑΤΩΏΝΟΣ
δὲ θηρευτικοῦ ζωοθηρικόν, ζωοθηρικοῦ δὲ ἐνυγροθὴη- p. 221. |).
ρικόν, ἐνυγροθηρικοῦ δὲ τὸ κάτωθεν τμῆμα ὅλον
ἁλιευτικόν, ἁλιευτικῆς δὲ πληκτικόν, πληκτικῆς δὲ
ἀγκιστρευτικόν᾽ τούτου δὲ τὸ περὶ τὴν κάτωθεν ἄνω
5πληγὴν ἀνασπωμένην, ἀπ᾽ αὐτῆς τῆς πράξεως ἀφο- ς
θὲ yy « lod > r \ G θ lal > /
JLOLMUEV τουνομᾶ, ἢ νυν GOTTAALEVTLKY) («ἡΤησεισα ἐπι-
κλὴν γέγονεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν τοῦτό γε ἱκανῶς δεδή.--
λωται.
2. τὸ κάτωθεν] Cf. infr. 266 a.
4. τὸ περὶ τὴν] “ The class
which comprised.” Cf. supr.
τὸν λόγον περὶ αὐτὸ τοὔργον.
5. ἀπ᾽ αὐτῆς τῆς πράξεως ἀφο-
μοιωθὲν τοὔνομα] 1.6. it is pro-
posed to derive ἀσπαλιεύς from
See also Tim. Lex.
52: ἀσπαλιεὺς, ἁλιεὺς, ἀπὸ τοῦ
ἀνασπᾷν τὴν ἄγραν. Hesychius
has preserved the real deriva-
tion from ἄσπαλος, an Athama-
τέχνη
(ποιητική)- --ἰ-- κτητική
ἀνασπάω.
(μεταβλητική) ---ἰ---κειρωτική
(ἀγωνιστικη) ---ἰ - θηρευτική
nian word for ‘fish.’ (Passow
Lexie. 5. v.)
6. ἡ νῦν ἀσπαλιευτικὴ ζητη-
θεῖσα] 1.6. ἀσπαλιευτικὴ, ἡ νῦν
ζητηθεῖσα. Cf. infr. 231 b: ἐν
τῷ viv λόγῳ παραφανέντι.Ἡ Note
the apposition of neuter and
fem. : τὸ mepi—n «.7.d., and of
the name with the thing: τοῦὔ-
νομα with ἡ ἀσπαλιευτικήῆ. The
following is a summary of the
above divisions :
(θήρα τῶν ἀψυχῶν)---ἰ--- ζωοθηρική
(πεζοθηρικη)- -ἰ--- ἐνυγροθηρική
(ὀρνιθευτικη)----ἰ -ἁλιευτική
(ἑρκοθηρικη)---ἰ--- πληκτική
8. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν τοῦτό γε
ἱκανῶς δεδήλωται] The method
of dichotomies has proved ade-
quate for the definition of an
art so simp'e and familiar as
that of the angler. The notion
of the Sophist, however, is more
complex, and after several par-
tial attempts, the definition of
him is found to be impracti-
cable, until we lay aside this
(πυρευτικήη)---ἰ---ἀγκιστρευτική
(τριοδοντία)- -ἰ--- ἀσπαλιευτική.
method for a time and review
some of our fundamental ideas.
It is difficult to say how far
the first or tentative part of
the inquiry is seriously intended
by Plato as an illustration or
application of method. There
is a tinge of satirical humour
obvious in almost every line.
This was the motive for the
choice of the angler as an ex-
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ. D5
— , ῃ \ σι \ ΄
ΞΕ, Depe On, κατὰ τοῦτο τὸ παράδειγμα καὶ τὸν
\ > ΄σ « o vA P yy
σοφιστὴν ἐπιχειρῶμεν εὑρεῖν, ὃ TL ποτ᾽ ἐστιν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
μ-- Ν Χ > tas te eh ey \ or ΄
ΞΕ. Καὶ μὴν ἐκεῖνο y ἣν τὸ ζήτημα πρῶτον,
, ’ , SA / 4 7 5
πότερον ἰδιώτην ἡ τινα τέχνην e€xovTa θετέον εἶναι:
\ > /
Tov ἁσπαλιευτην.
OEAI. Ναί.
SE. Καὶ viv δὴ τοῦτον ἰδιώτην θήσομεν, ὦ Θεαί-
Ἃ 7 « λ θ las , δ
THTE, ἢ πανταπασιν ὡς ἀληθῶς σοφιστὴν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδαμῶς ἰδιώτην: μανθάνω γὰρ ὃ λέγεις, ὡς
%K \ ΕΙΣ va 7 5 i? yy lal yf
σαντος δεῖ TOLOUTOS ELVQAL TO γε ονομὰ τοῦτο έεέχων.
7 5 \ Css J «
EE. ᾿Αλλά τινα τέχνην αὐτὸν ἡμῖν ἔχοντα, ὡς
y lA
ἔοικε, θετέον.
ample, this prompts the in-
clusion of war and tyranny,
pleading and arguing, under
θηρευτική, and that of poetry
and learning amongst the mer-
chant’s wares, and the defini-
tion of higgling in the market
as an inartistic kind of con-
troversy. A deeper irony un-
derlies the admission of the
Sophist’s claim to be considered
as a purifier of the soul. Yet
inseparably bound up with this
tone of sarcasm there is the
scientific spirit, which seeks for
general truths and disregards
common opinion. The defini-
tion of the tyrant or the war-
rior as a hunter of men falls
in with Plato’s satiric fancy,
but has also an element of
scientific truth, and belongs
to the effort to connect things
apparently diverse under one
idea. This mixture of satire
and inquiry finds characteristic
expression in intr. 2277" Ὁ:
τοῦ κτήσασθαι γὰρ ἕνεκα νοῦν
πασῶν τεχνῶν τὸ ξυγγενὲς καὶ τὸ
μὴ ξυγγενὲς κατανοεῖν πειρωμένη (ἡ
τῶν λόγων τέχνη) τιμᾷ πρὸς τοῦτο
ἐξ ἴσου πάσας-- σεμνότερον δέ τι
τὸν διὰ στρατηγικῆς ἢ φθειριστικῆς
δηλοῦντα θηρευτικὴν οὐδὲν νενό-
μικεν, ἀλλ᾽ ὡς τὸ πολὺ χαυνότερον.
8. Καὶ νῦν δὴ] “So now also.”
καὶ to be taken closely with νῦν.
9. ὡς ἀληθῶς σοφιστήν] The
word here approaches the an-
cient meaning of “ contriver,”
= clever, one. < skilled prac=
titioner.”
11. *zavros* dei] The MSS.
vary between πάντως and ov
πάντως, the latter of which has
grown out of the former. A
further corruption (II) is τοιοῦ-
tov—rov—eyovra. The correc-
tion is due to the Zurich edi-
tors. For παντὸς dei, cf. Aesch.
Prom. 961 :
παντὸς ἐλλείπω.
πολλοῦ γε καὶ τοῦ
ib. 1008 : τοῦ
παντὸς δέω.
τό γε ὄνομα τοῦτο ἔχων] “Since
he bears this name.” Cf. Polit.
260 ¢: δεσπόζοντά γε.
Following
this exam-
ple let us
endeayour
to find the
nature of
the Sophist
also,
σι
Ts he an
artist, as
the fisher-
man was 7
10 His name
declares
him to be,
par excel-
lence, an
artist.
But his
relation to
the angler
does not
end here.
They are
bothsports-
men; and
each pur-
sues a cer-
tain living
prey.
From this
point their
26 MAATQNO2
SEAL. Tiva wor οὖν δὴ ταύτην ;
EE. Ap’ ὦ πρὸς θεῶν ἠγνοήκαμεν τἀνδρὸς τὸν
ἄνδρα ὄντα ξυγγενῆ ;
OEAI. Τίνα τοῦ ;
5 BE. Τὸν ἀσπαλιευτὴν τοῦ σοφιστοῦ.
ΘΕΑῚ In;
EE. Θηρευτά τινε καταφαίνεσθον ἄμφω μοι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Tivos θήρας ἅτερος : τὸν μὲν γὰρ ἕτερον
εἴπομεν.
ιο (ΞΕ. Δίχα ποὺ νῦν διείλομεν τὴν ἄγραν πᾶσαν, νευ--
στικοῦ μέρους, τὸ δὲ πεζοῦ τέμνοντες.
OEAI. Nai.
EE. Kai τὸ μὲν διήλθομεν, ὅσον περὶ τὰ νευστικὰ
τῶν ἐνύδρων" τὸ δὲ πεζὸν εἰάσαμεν ἄσχιστον. εἰπόν-
15 TES ὅτι πολυειδὲς εἴη.
ΘΕΑΙ. Tavu γε.
EE. Μέχρι μὲν τοίνυν ἐνταῦθα ὃ σοφιστής τε καὶ
ὁ ἀσπαλιευτὴς ἅμα ἀπὸ τῆς κτητικῆς τέχνης πορεύ-
εσθον.
20 GEAT. ᾿Βοίκατον γοῦν.
HE. ᾿Εκτρέπεσθον δέ γε ἀπὸ τῆς ζωοθηρικῆς, ὃ
2. τἀνδρὸς τὸν ἄνδρα! Cf. τὸ δ᾽ αὔξει. Eurip. Hippolyt.
Rep. 5, 455 d: τὸ γένος τοῦ 233, 4. Theet. 181 ἃ. Legg.
yevous. 12, 954 d: ἐκτημένος, ὁ δὲ
10. νῦν διείλομεν] Cf. Theset. ζητῶν, alib. Phileb. 56 d: ἄλλην,
159 ¢, νῦν διήλθομεν, where τὴν δὲ ἄλλην; Polit. 291 6:
there is the same variation οἵ τυραννίδι, τὸ δὲ βασιλικῆ. Pheed.
MSS.; some inserting δὴ, which 105 6. Bodl. and A πεζόν.
on account of 8 succeeding 21. Ἐκτρέπεσθον] “Their paths
may very possibly have dropped diverge when they have reach-
out. ed the art of animal-hunting,
νευστικοῦ μέρους, TO δὲ πεζοῦ] the one turning to the sea-
For the omission of τὸ μὲν, ΒΟ shore and to rivers and lakes,
is present in some MSS., com- [0 angle for the creatures that
pare Soph. Trach. 117: τρέφει, ave therein.”
Pp. 2206 |p?
p. 222
ΣΟΦΙΣΊΗΣ.
27
| Ce eran ΄ ΄ \ N ᾽
Np. 222. μὲν ἐπὶ θάλατταν που καὶ ποταμοὺς καὶ λίμνας, τὰν
/ πο ,
τούτοις ζῶα Onpevoopevos.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί μήν;
— c , ᾽ \ A \ ε
ΞΕ. ‘O δέ γε ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν καὶ ποταμοὺς ἑτέρους
53 / , A / © a 5] /
αὖ τινὰς, πλουτου καὶ νεότητος οἷον λειμῶνας αφθο-
/ / /
vous, τὰν τούτοις θρέμματα χειρωσόμενος.
OEAI. Πῶς λέγεις ;
ΞΕ. Τῆς πεζῆς θήρας γίγνεσθον δύο μεγίστω
τινὲ μέρη.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ποῖον ἑκάτερον :
I. mov gives the touch of
conscious indefiniteness in
which the preciseness of the
Greek language delights.
4. Ὃ δέ ye ἐπὶ τὴν ynv—]
“To very different rivers of
wealth, and rich meadow-lands
of generous youth.” Lit. “to
rivers of wealth, a different
sort of rivers.” This punctu-
ation avoids the confusion of
the two metaphors (river and
meadow) and preserves the
appropriateness of each. For
the former, cf. Alsch. Prom.
805 : ol χρυσόρρυτον οἰκοῦσιν
ἀμφὶ νᾶμα Πλούτωνος πόρου,
where the notion of abundance
is associated with the image of
golden sands ; and for the
latter, Soph. Trach. 143: τὸ
yap νέαζον ἐν τοιοῖσδε βύσκεται
χώροισιν αὑτοῦ.
For the metaphorical use of
the word ποταμός to denote
abundance, cf. also Tim. 43 a:
ai δὲ εἰς ποταμὸν ἐνδεθεῖσαι πο-
λύν.---νἱχ. the flux of corporeal
particles in the body. The
word λειμῶνας is naturally sug-
gested by the notion of a fer-
tilizing river with green banks,
E
and perhaps partly by a false
echo from λίμνας preceding.
8. Ths πεζῆς θήρας κιτ.λ.] The
description of θηρευτική in Legg.
7, 823 b should be compared,
line by line, with this passage :
θήρα yap παμπολύ τι πρᾶγμά ἐστι,
περιειλημμένον ὀνόματι νῦν σχεδὸν
ἑνί. πολλὴ μὲν γὰρ ἡ τῶν ἐνύδρων,
πολλὴ δὲ ἡ τῶν πτηνῶν, παμπολὺ
δὲ καὶ τὸ περὶ τὰ πεζὰ θηρεύματα,
οὐ μόνον θηρίων, ἀλλὰ καὶ τὴν τῶν
ἀνθρώπων ἄξιον ἐννοεῖν θήραν, τὴν
τε κατὰ πόλεμον, πολλὴ δὲ καὶ 7
κατὰ φιλίαν θηρεύουσα, ἡ μὲν ἔπαι-
νον, ἡ δὲ ψόγον ἔχει" καὶ κλωπεῖαι,
καὶ ληστῶν καὶ στρατοπέδων στρα-
τοπέδοις θῆραι.
γίγνεσθον] Bodl. Vat. Ven.
II, γιγνέσθω, which might be
defended from εἴπωμεν follow-
ing. But the word is explana-
tory of ἐκτρέπεσθον in what
precedes, and the v is more
likely to have been dropped
than to have been inserted
wrongly, especially considering
the ὁμοιοτέλευτον of μεγίστω.
The θήρα τῶν ἡμέρων is termed
μέγιστον as including στρατηγία,
ληστική, δικανική, ἐρωτική, κολα-
κική, σοφιστική.
9
ke
paths di-
verge. The
angler
seeks the
rivers,
lakes, and
teeming
seas. The
5 Sophist
turns him
to the land:
or if to
rivers they
are the
rivers of
wealth,
which
nourish
: ] teous
pounteous
pastures of
generous
youth,
Now land
animals are
tame and
wild ; and,
if man is a
tame crea-
ture, tame
creatures
also can
be made
a prey.
ΠΛΑΤΏΩΝΟΣ.
ΞῈ Τὸ \ cal « 7 Ν δὲ “ ’ /
pe Ld O μὲν τῶν μερῶν, TO OE Τῶν αγριων.
ΘΕΑΙ. Εἶτ᾽ ἔστι τις θήρα τῶν ἡμέρων ;
EE. Εἰ πέρ γέ ἐστιν ἄνθρωπος ἥμερον ζῶον. θὲς
δὲ σ / 7 δὲ θ Ν “ », LAD
€ ὅπῃ χαίρεις, εἴτε μηδὲν τιθεὶς ἥμερον, εἴτε ἄλλο
\ “ / Ν \ 2, ΒΩ + aS
5 MEV ἥμερον TL, TOV δὲ ἄνθρωπον ἀγριον, εἴτε ἥμερον
Ν re 5 ‘ 357 θ > 6 / δὲ ὃ /
μέν eyels αὖυ TOV ἂν βῶτπον, αν ρώπων ε μηοεμιᾶαν
ἡγεῖ θήραν. τούτων Τὁπότερ᾽ | av ἡγεῖ φίλον εἰρῆσθαί
rn id ΄σ /
σοι, τοῦτο ἡμῖν διόρισον.
2. εἶτα expresses surprise.
Cf. Thezet. 207 d.
3. El πέρ γέ ἐστιν ἀνθ. jy. {.}
This is not always fully ad-
mitted. See Theet. 174 ἃ:
δυσκολώτερον δὲ ἐκείνων ζῶον καὶ
ἐπιβουλότερον ποιμαίνειν τε καὶ
βδάλλειν νομίζει αὐτούς. Lege. 6,
766 a: ΓΑνθρωπὸς δέ, ὥς φαμεν,
ἥμερον, ὅμως μὴν παιδείας μὲν
ὀρθῆς τυχὸν καὶ φύσεως εὐτυχοῦς
θειότατον ἡμερώτατόν τε ζῶον γίγ-
νεσθαι φιλεῖ, μὴ ἱκανῶς δὲ ἢ μὴ
καλῶς τραφὲν ἀγριώτατον ὁπόσα
φύει γῆ. Cf. Xen. Cyr. 1. 1, κ 2:
πάσας τοίνυν τὰς ἀγέλας ταύτας
ἐδοκοῦμεν ὁρᾷν μᾶλλον ἐθελούσας
πείθεσθαι τοῖς νομεῦσιν ἢ τοὺς
ἀνθρώπους τοῖς ἄρχουσι. For
τιθεὶς --- λέγεις, οἵ, supr. 221 ἃ,
and note.
7. Ἡόπότερ᾽ Ὑ av ἡγεῖ φίλον ei-
ρῆσθαί σοι] The plural ὁπότερα,
with φίλον and τοῦτο following,
is difficult ; and the word im-
plies two, whereas there are
three if not four alternatives.
Badham’s conjecture, 6 τι περ
ἂν (cf. infr. 255 a, Lege. 1, 645
c), is probably right. ἡγεῖ is the
Bodleian reading ; ἂν is to be
taken with εἰρῆσθαι φίλον σοι:
““ Whichever of these alterna-
tives you think will please
you when spoken.” Com-
pare infr. 223 b: τὸ προσῆκον
ὄνομ᾽ ἂν ἡγοῦμαι καλεῖν αὐτόν.
There is no objection to the
repetition of the same word
ἡγεῖ in a somewhat different
connexion ; cf. Theet. 148 b:
οὐκ ἂν δυναίμην---ὥσπερ περὶ---
τῆς δυνάμεως. 8110.
8. τοῦτο ἡμῖν διόρισον] The
Bodleian and the cognate MSS.
(including Flor. 1.) have διορι-
This could only mean,
“Whichever of these alterna-
tives you think will please you,
this we must decide upon.”
But this reading, though not
altogether absurd (ef. Polit.
261 6: καθάπερ διακελεύεις
ποιητέον), may probably be
classed amongst those which,
although occurring in the best
MSS., are traceable to the
wrong-headed ingenuity of the
scribes, like ἐξαίσιοι σοφοί for
ἑξῆς of σοφοί in Theet. 152 6
(Bodl.), ἀκριβῶν for ἄκρων, 10.
148 ὁ. (Bodl. Δ. π.) The impe-
rative is required by θὲς pre-
ceding. For τοῦτο ἡμῖν διόρισον,
οἵ, Gorg. 488 d: τοῦτό μοι αὐτὸ
σαφῶς διόρισον, ταὐτὸν ἢ ἕτερόν
ἐστι τὸ κρεῖττον καὶ τὸ βέλτιον
καὶ τὸ ἰσχυρότερον. Rep. fo,
5088: "Apa οἷα ἔστιν ἢ οἷα φαί--
νεται; τοῦτο γὰρ ἔτι διόρισον.
΄
στεον.
Pp. 222: [}1}
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ. 29
p. 222. OEAI. AAX ἡμᾶς τε ἥμερον, ὦ ἕένε, ἡγοῦμαι
“ Gov, θήραν τε ἀνθρώπων εἶναι λέγω.
EE. Διττὴν τοίνυν καὶ τὴν ἡμεροθηρικὴν εἴπωμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Kara τί λέγοντες ;
ὑστν ἊΝ \ Χ > \
BE. Thv μὲν λῃστικὴν καὶ ἀνδραποδιστικὴν καὶ 5. This hap-
\ \ / \ ͵, A , pens either
τυραννικὴν καὶ ξύμπασαν THY πολεμικήν, ἕν πάντα through
, , ε ΄ force or
βίαιον θηραν ὁρισάμενοι. through
ΘΕΑΙ. Καλῶς. persuasion.
EE. Τὴν δέ ye δικανικὴν καὶ δημηγορικὴν καὶ
͵ A 5 \ , 7
προσομιλητικήν, ἕν αὖ τὸ ξύνολον πιθανουργικήν το
ἃ Twa μίαν τέχνην προσειπόντες.
GEAI. ᾿Ορθώς.
ia “ ΑΝ la Χ 7
HE. Τῆς δὴ πιθανουργικῆς διττὰ λέγωμεν γένη. — And per-
a suasion
OEAI. [Iota ; Taye
— \ \ 9 \ gl / bli
HE. To μὲν ἕτερον ἰδίᾳ, τὸ δὲ δημοσίᾳ γιγνόμενον. 15 brivate..
\ “- =
OEAI. Γίψνεσθον yap οὖν εἶδος ἑκάτερον.
an 3, a > a \
EE. Οὐκοῦν αὖ τῆς ἰδιοθηρευτικῆς TO μὲν μισθαρ- Persuasion
ΣΑΣ NEN , in private
VEUTLKOV ἐστι, TO δὲ δωροφορικὸν ; sometimes
΄ seeks re-
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐ μανθάνω. wards, and
= a a ee , \ = - » sometimes
ZE. Τῇ τῶν ἐρώντων Opa τὸν νοῦν, ὡς ἐοικας; 20 on the
", , contrary
οὔπω προσέσχες. ities
gifts.
5. Τὴν μὲν ληστικήν---Ἴ Com-_ der one heading.
panewateebol, I. 5." Οἵ δὲ ἀπὸ 17. μισθαρνευτικὸν----μισθαρνευ-
θήρας ζῶσιν, καὶ θήρας ἕτεροι τικοῦ] I prefer giving the form
ἑτέρας, οἷον of μὲν ἀπὸ ληστείας, of the word which appears in
οἱ δ᾽ ἀφ᾽ ἁλιείας---οἱ δ᾽ ἀπ᾿ dpvi- all the MSS. (instead of μι-
θων ἢ θηρίων ἀγρίων.---Διὸ καὶ ἡ σθαρνητικ.), though suspected by
πολεμικὴ φύσει κτητική πως ἔστα' Heindorf, whose dictum (Quod
ἡ γὰρ θηρευτικὴ μέρος αὐτῆς, 7 δεῖ ἴῃ Lexicis, auctore nullo, pro-
χρῆσθαι πρός τε τὰ θηρία καὶ τῶν — fertur verbum μισθαρνεύειν, val-
ἀνθρώπων ὅσοι πεφυκότες ἄρχεσθαι dé vereor ne ἃ sermonis ana-
μὴ θέλουσιν. Ἰοριὰ abhorreat) is open to
10. προσομιλητικήν =the art question. Why not μισθαρνεύω
of intercourse. The word 15 from μίσθαρνος, ἃ8 καπηλεύω from
invented in order to include κάπηλος Still it may be cor-
loye-making and sophistry un- rupted from ἰδιοθηρευτ.
Lovers, for
instance,
lavish pre-
sents on
thosewhom
they win.
Of mercen-
ary persua-
sion, one
branch
allures
through
pleasure,
and, as for
hire, ex-
pects no
more than
to be fed.
This is
called
flattery.
Another
kind pro-
fesses to
impart
virtue, and
takes a
money fee,
What is
30
ΘΕΑΙ. Τοῦ πέρι ;
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
EE. Ὅτι τοῖς θηρευθεῖσι δῶρα προσεπιδιδόασιν.
ΘΈΑΙ. ᾿Αληθέστατα λέγεις.
— TY γ fal \ , > ΄σ / y 3
= E. Τοῦτο μὲν τοίνυν ἐρωτικῆς TEXYNS ἐστω εἶδος.
OEAI. avy γε.
EE. Τοῦ δέ ye μισθαρνευτικοῦ τὸ μὲν προσο-
- \ ’ὔ 4 ε lal 4
μιλοῦν διὰ χάριτος Kal παντάπασι δι’ ἡδονῆς τὸ
/ ’ Ν Ἂν 7
δέλεαρ πεποιημένον καὶ τὸν μισθὸν πραττόμενον
\ c r A 7 id » 53 7
Tpopny εαυτῷ μονον κολακικὴν, ὡς ἐγῷμαι, πᾶντες p. 223.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ;
od x ε / ΄ὔ 5
10 φαῖμεν αν ηδυντικὴν τινα τεχνὴν εἰναι.
HE. Τὸ δὲ ἐπαγγελλόμενον μὲν ὡς ἀρετῆς ἕνεκα
ἊΝ - / / Ν \ , ,
Tas ὁμιλίας ποιούμενον, μισθὸν δὲ νόμισμα πραττό-
S 5 lal NS 7ὔὕ e / las yy
μένον, GPa OV τοῦτο TO γένος ETEPD 7 POO ELTTELV ἄξιον
> /
15 OVOLATL 5
OEAI. Πῶς yap οὔ;
μκαἰ / \ , qn /
i. Te δὴ τούτῳ ; πειρῶ λέγειν.
2. προσεπιδιδόασιν] The pre-
positions imply “in addition to
all the means employed to win
them.” (προσέτι δῶρα yp. 5.B.)
4. ἐρωτικῆς τέχνης --- εἶδος]
Gen. of apposition.
6. Τοῦ dé ye μισθαρνευτικού----
εἶναι] “ But that sort of hireling
the object of whose commerce
is to gratify, and whose lure is
baited with any kind of plea-
sure, while the only hire which
he exacts is sustenance for him-
self, I presume we should all -
describe as the flatterer, who is
one of the sweeteners of life.”
8. πεποιημένον | pf. passive
with middle signification.
Το. ἡδυντικήν τινα τέχνην] “an
art of sweetening.” These words
express the function of κολακικὴ
more precisely. There is no
need of inserting i) before ἥδυντ.
with Heindorf and some later
editors. Cf. Theet. 175 e: μη-
δὲ ὀψὸν ἡδῦναι ἢ θῶπας λόγους,
where cookery and flattery
seem to be included under
ἡδυντικὴ ; and Gorg. 462-465,
where however κολακεία is the
general word, including ὀψο-
ποιΐα, ῥητορικὴ, and the rest.
Other instances occur (e. g.
μεταβλητικὴ Supr. compared with
infr. 224 6) in which the same
word has alternately a general
and specific meaning.
12. Τὸ δὲ---ὀνόματι] “ But an-
other sort, professing to make
virtue the end of his inter-
course, while exacting his hire
in the shape of coin,—is it not
worth while to address this
kind by a different name ?”
β. 223.
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗ͂Σ.
31
SEAI. Δῆλον 67° τὸν yap σοφιστὴν μοι δοκοῦ-
᾽ (2 ΠΕ 53 " \ \ an
μεν ἀνευρηκέναι. TOUT οὖν ἔγωγε εἰπὼν TO προσῆκον
7 a» ς A ΄ > /
ὄνομ ἂν ἡγοῦμαι καλεῖν αὐτον.
Ν cal 3 -
RE. Κατὰ δὴ τὸν νῦν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, λόγον, ὡς
4. Κατὰ δὴ ---θήρα] The obser-
vation of Schleiermacher, that
there are several redundant
words in this passage, was mis-
applied by Heindorf and Stall-
baum when theyrejected μισθαρ-
νικῆς as well as κτητικῆς, πεζοθη-
pias, and ἡμεροθηρικῆς. For the
science which takes rewards
includes the flatterer with the
Sophist, who stands alone how-
ever in taking his reward in
money. The word πεζοθηρίας
can hardly be retained, χερ-
σαίας being evidently substi-
tuted for this with reference to
supr. 222 a: ὁ δέ ye ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν.
The case of ἡμεροθηρικῆς is
somewhat different. For there
might be other tame creatures
besides man which became the
objects of the chase (e.g. pheas-
ants and deer in modern
times); compare Polit. 262 b.
The MSS., however, vary as to
the form of the word.
χειρωτικῆς, which the edi-
tors retain after
has very slight authority (Ven.
> a
OLKEL@TLKNS,
τέχνη
ποιητική--ἰ-κτητικῆ
μεταβλητική.-----ἰ - χειρωτική
ἀγωνιστική.------ἰ---θηρευτική
Σ᾿ ἈΠῸ Bas, ΠΤ 2. δῦ) Che
word is not indispensable ;
for οἰκειωτικῆς might be fairly
substituted (according to the
spirit of the present passage)
for χειρωτικῆς, as a softer word
—‘“ Convey the wise it call.”
We may therefore either read
or omit
χειρωτικῆς and κτητικῆς, taking
οἰκειωτικῆς as a substitute for
both. The Stranger is not
always quite exact in reca-
pitulating. Thus, infr. 224 d,
μεταβλητικὴ 18 substituted for
ἀλλακτικὴ, and the μεταβλητικὴ of
the previous argument is omit-
ted. Hence it is unnecessary,
with Heindorf and Stallbaum,
to supply the missing link m-
θανοθηρίας in the present passage.
Cf. Polit. 261 e, where such va-
riation of terms is justified.
meCoOnpias, if genuine, distin-
ouishes πεζὰ from πτηνά, χερ-
galas, πεζὰ from ἐνυδρά, but x.
should then come first.
The divisions have been as
follows :
κτητικῆς, οἰκειωτικῆς,
τῶν ἀψύχων----ἰ- - ζωοθηρική
ae
πεζοθηρική ----
ἐνυγροθηρικὴ
ὀρνιθευτική ----ἰ- -- ἁλιευτική
τῶν ἀγρίων-ἰ -ἡμεροθηρική
βίαιος θήρα--- πιθανουργική
ἡ δημοσίᾳ γιγνομένη---ἰ-- ἰδιοθηρευτική
ἑρκοθηρική---ἰ--πληκτική
πυρευτική---ἰ---ἀγκι στρευτικήὴ
ὃ , > ,
TpLo οντία---ἰ -- ἀσπαλιευτική
δωροφορική-----ἰ-----μισθαρνευτικὴ
κολακική----ἰ- “σοφιστική.
this artist
called ?
We seem
to have
found the
Sophist.
32 MAATQNOS
ἔοικεν, ἡ τέχνης οἰκειωτικῆς, Ἱκτητικῆς |, θηρευτικῆς, p. 223. }
ζωοθηρίας, πεζοθηρίας}, χερσαίας, Τὴμεροθηρικῆς ,
ἀνθρωποθηρίας, ἰδιοθηρίας, μισθαρνικῆς, νομισματο-
πωλικῆς, δοξοπαιδευτικῆς, νέων πλουσίων καὶ ἐν-
5 δόξων γιγνομένη θήρα προσρητέον, ὡς ὁ νῦν λόγος
ἡμῖν συμβαίνει, σοφιστική.
GEAI. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
Still let us
look at this
many-sided
creature in
EE. "Ere δὲ καὶ τῇδε ἴδωμεν: ov yap τι φαύλης
΄ὔ / 5) ΄ὕ \ 5 ς ͵ ᾽ SES. ΄,
μέτοχον ἐστι τέχνης τὸ νῦν ζητουμενον, GAA εὖ para
Ν Ν 53 ’ ΄σ / /
another το ποικίλης. Kal yap οὖν ἐν τοῖς πρόσθεν εἰρημένοις
aspect. 7 » τ ἢ τὰ a hint - sy
For the φάντασμα παρέχεται, μὴ τοῦτο Ὁ νῦν αὐτὸ ἡμεῖς
divisions Pep oneal SF 7
we have φαμέν, ἀλλ᾽ τερον εἶναι TL γένος.
madeattord
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῇ δή;
'ΞῈ. To τῆς κτητικῆς τέχνης διπλοῦν ἦν εἶδός
an opening
for defining
him in a
different
XN \ ΧΝ / vy Ν Se /
e 1570U, TO μὲν θηρευτικὸν μέρος ἔχον, TO δὲ ἀλλακτικον.
4. δοξοπαιδευτικῆς] This refers
to supr. a: ἐπαγγελλόμενον----
ποιούμενον.
καὶ ἐνδόξω)] Cf. Protag.
316 b, where Socrates recom-
mends Hippocrates to the con-
sideration of Protagoras: ‘In-
ποκράτης ὅδε ἐστὶ μὲν τῶν ἐπιχω-
ρίων, ᾿Απολλοδώρου υἱός, οἰκίας
μεγάλης τε καὶ εὐδαίμονος" αὐτὸς
δὲ τὴν φύσιν δοκεῖ ἐνάμιλλος εἶναι
τοῖς ἡλικιώταις. ἐπιθυμεῖν δέ μοι δο-
κεῖ ἐλλόγιμος γενέσθαι ἐν τῇ πόλει.
The use οἵ μέτοχόν ἐστι for
μετέχει, like that of the par-
ticiple and auxiliary verb
noticed above, is in the style
of these dialogues. Cf. also
Pheedr. 262 d.
7. οὖν] “ In accordance with
this remark,” i. e. consistently
with the creature’s manifold
cunning.
8. τῇδε ἴδωμεν] Bodl. TAATL
εἰδῶμεν. This might be de-
fended from Thezt. 202 6:
But the text pre-
sents a more lively image, and
is in better accordance with
Plato’s usual manner. This
corruption is frequent.
ΤΙ. φάντ. apex. |“ He (adro,the
subject of our inquiry) holds
forth the appearance ; leads us
to imagine.” No English word
exactly corresponds to φάν-
τασμα here, which retains the
verbal notion: the German
Schein is perhaps nearly equi-
valent. Cf. Thezt.199 ὁ: δει-
νότερον μέντοι πάθος ἄλλο“ παρα-
φαίνεσθαί μοι δοκεῖ. AS we re-
view the previous argument,
the Sophist shews his face to
us on the other side of onr
division-line.
15. τὸ μὲν Onpevtixov| Here
again the recapitulation is not
Ἰστέον δή.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 88
p.223. ΘΕΑ͂Ι. Ἢν γὰρ οὗν. kind of ac-
quisition
~— Lal 3" lanl ,ὔ »" /
BE. THs τοίνυν ἀλλακτικῆς δύο εἴδη λέ- we found
to be ex-
ἊΝ Ν / Ν oS >
youev, TO μὲν δωρητικόν, TO δὲ ἕτερον ἀγορα- change.
’ Property is
OTLKOD ; exchanged
by gift and
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἑϊρήσθω. 5. by sale.
EE. Kai μὴν αὖ φήσομεν ἀγοραστικὴν διχῇ τέμ-
νεσθαι.
ἃ ΘΕΑΙ. Πῇ;
\ a 3 c ’ \
SE. Τὴν μὲν τῶν αὐτουργῶν αὐτοπωλικὴν διαι-ὀ ὙΠ seller
, \ ie Peele ; x ps is either a
ρουμένην, τὴν δὲ Ta ἀλλότρια ἔγρα μεταβαλλομένην το manufac-
, turer or a
μεταβλητικ nV. merchant.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ ye.
BE. Τί δέ; τῆς μεταβλητικῆς οὐχ ἡ μὲν κατὰ The mer-
, ᾽ ΄ ᾿ δε τες τ i a chant
πολιν adrayn, σχεδὸν αὐτῆς ἥμισυ μέρος ὃν, καπη- either re-
alls Or
\ ,
ALK) προσαγορεύεται: 15 exports,
CEAI. Nai.
quite exact: κτητικὴ was divided -- ὅσοι αὐτουργοί τε καὶ ἀπράγμο-
into μεταβλητικὸν ( = ἀλλακτικὸν)ἠ νες, οὐ πάνυ πολλὰ κεκτημένοι.
and χειρωτικόν, and χειρωτικὸν 9. διαιρουμένην (passive) an-
into ἀγωνιστικὸν and θηρευτικόν. swers better to the question πῇ
Supr. 219. (φήσομεν τέμνεσθαι) than διαι-
3. τὸ μὲν δωρητικόν] These ρούμενοι, which is read only in
words are suggested by depo- two MSS. of inferior note, and
φορικὸν in the previous argu- appears in two others (1B) as
ment; the new discussion, ἃ5 a correction.
so often in Plato, taking colour 11. μεταβλητικήν] This name
from that which precedes. But was previously given to the
cf. also supr. 219d: μεταβλητι- whole class which is now called
κὸν ὃν διά τε δωρεῶν καὶ ἀγοράσεων. ἀλλακτική.
9. Τὴν μὲν --- διαιρουμένην] 13. τῆς μεταβλητικῆς κ.τ.λ.]
«Those who make what they Cf. Ar. Pol. I. 4 : τῆς δὲ μετα-
sell being distinguished as βλητικῆς μέγιστον μὲν ἐμπορία.
‘ producers.’ ” 14. σχεδὸν---ἥμισυ] And there-
τῶν avtoupyav| Those who fore fit to form our next diyi-
manufacture what they sell. sion.
The word is used etymologi- καπηλικὴ] The notion of retail
eally. The usual meaning is, business in Rep. 371b,c, ἐν αὐτῇ
‘one who farms his own land.’ τῇ πόλει x. τ. A. IS More exact
Cf. 6. ο. Rep. 8, 565 a: δῆμος than here. Bod. p.m. : καὶ πηλική.
Now the
export
trader
deals in
food for
the body
or in food
for the
mind,
34 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
EE. Τὸ δέ γε ἐξ ἄλλης εἰς ἄλλην πόλιν διαλλατ-- p. 223. |!
᾿ Lal ’ /
TOMEVOV ὠνῇ καὶ πράσει ἐμπορικὴ ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δ᾽ οὔ:
ΞΕ. Τῆς δ᾽ ἐμπορικῆς ap οὐκ ἠσθήμεθα ὅτι τὸ
5 / σ Ν al / / Ν δέ
spev, ὅσοις τὸ σῶμα τρέφεται ++ κέχρηται, τὸ δέ,
ὅσοις ἡ ψυχή, πωλοῦν διὰ νομίσματος ἀλλάττεται ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς τοῦτο λέγεις ;
— Ν Ν \ \ STA ΕἸ ΄σ » Ν ,
EE. To περὶ τὴν ψυχὴν wows ἀγνοοῦμεν, ἐπεὶ TO
4 , ,
YE €TEPOV ποὺ ξυνίεμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
/ ,
EE. Μουσικήν τε τοίνυν ξυνάπασαν λέγωμεν, ἐκ
Υ. διαλλαττόμενον] Prob. mid-
dle voice, as μεταβαλλόμενον
supr., ἀλλάττεται infr. But per-
haps passive, like ἀνασπώμενον
and other words noticed above.
δια signifies ‘transmission,’ as
in Rep. 1, 328 a: λαμπαδία
ἔχοντες διαδώσουσιν ἀλλήλοις ;
5. κέχρηται] Heindorf changed
this into καὶ χρῆται without
giving a reason. Stallbaum,
who objects to this change,
gives καὶ κέχρηται, apparently
taking this to be the MS. read-
ing. Bekker: “καὶ χρῆται
Heindorfius : libri κέχρηται.
And so the Bodleian MS., viz.
τρέφεται xexpnta. For the
perfect, cf. Rep. 3, 409 6, Tim.
65 6. The objection to this
is that the seller cannot be
said to use that which he
sells. Stallbaum’s reading is
preferable, if κέχρηται be ren-
dered “ stands in need,” 56.
αὐτῶν, for which meaning see
Legg. 4, 717 ¢. There is a
similar difficulty about the
reading of Euthyd. 289 a.
8. ἀγνοοῦμεν---ξυνίεμεν})] The
first pers. plur. is used with a
kind of playful condescension,
as in Theet. 210 b: ἢ οὖν ἔτι
κυοῦμέν τι καὶ ὠδίνομεν, ὦ φίλε,
ἢ πάντα ἐκτετόκαμεν ;
11. Μουσικήν ----παρασχεῖν] A
somewhat awkward sentence,
where, as in supr. 219 b, πᾶν
ὅπερ k.T.A., the end does not
seem to have been clearly seen
from the beginning. The con-
struction is, however, clear.
“ Speaking of all music, and
painting, and juggling, and
many other things which are
carried about and sold, some
for the delectation, and some
for the serious purposes of the
mind, let us say that when
bought in one place and carried
elsewhere to be sold, they give
to him who carries and sells
them, quite equally with the
sale of food and drink, a just
title to the name of merchant.”
Besides the general irregularity
of the sentence, the concrete
μουσική — ὠνηθεῖσα is made
parallel to the abstract σιτίων
-πρᾶσις. For the use of mape-
᾿
|
!
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ. $5
, ΦΙΣΟ ᾿ , "7 4 ᾿ lal
Ρ. 224. πόλεως εκάστοτε εἰς πόλιν ἔνθεν μὲν ὠνηθεῖσαν,
b
Cees: \ 3 / Ν / Ν
ἑτέρωσε δὲ ἀγομένην καὶ πιπρασκομένην, καὶ γραφι-
\ Ν \ Ν ιν 1. a “
κὴν καὶ θαυματοποιικὴν καὶ πολλὰ ἕτερα τῆς Ψυχῆς,
\ \ ‘ \ \ \ ia id ’ /
τὰ μεν παραμυθίας, Ta δὲ καὶ σπουδῆς χαριν ἀχθέντα
Ἂν / Ν yf Ν “ \
καὶ πωλούμενα, τὸν ἄγοντα καὶ πωλοῦντα μηδὲν 5
iy an a / “ ’, yA
ἧττον τῆς τῶν σιτίων καὶ ποτῶν πράσεως ἔμπορον
ὀρθῶς ἂν λεγόμενον παρασχεῖν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αληθέστατα λέγεις.
= 3 a x [2 /
HE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ τὸν μαθήματα Evywvovpevov
/ » , , ’ / Seas
πόλιν TE ἐκ πόλεως νομίσματος ἀμείβοντα ταὐτὸν το
“ 7
προσερεῖς ὄνομα;
ΘΕΑΙ. Σφόδρα γε.
EE. Τῆς δὴ ψυχεμπορικῆς ταύτης ap οὐ τὸ μὲν
χειν, οἵ, Pheedr. 238 a: καὶ τούτων
τῶν ἰδεῶν ἐκπρεπὴς ἡ ἂν τυχῇ γενο-
μένη τὴν αὑτῆς ἐπωνυμίαν ὀνομα-
ζόμενον τὸν ἔχοντα παρέχεται. In
the mention of painting and
juggling there is probably a
tacit anticipation of pp. 234, 5,
where the art of the Sophist
is compared to both. For
the two genitives ψυχῆς mapa-
μυθίας χάριν, cf. Rep. 7, 525 6:
οὐκ ὠνῆς οὐδὲ πράσεως χάριν ὡς
ἐμπόρους ἢ καπήλους μελετῶντας,
ἀλλ᾽ αὐτῆς τῆς ψυχῆς, ῥᾳστώνης
τε μεταστροφῆς (sc. αὐτῆς) ἐπ᾽
ἀλήθειάν τε καὶ οὐσίαν.
9. μαθήματα ξυνων.) I. 6.
Buying knowledge from all
quarters.
10, πόλιν----ἐκ πόλεως] “And
exchanges them from one city
to another for money.” The
former of the two prepositions
is dropped, as in Asch. Prom.
682: γῆν πρὸ γῆς ἐλαύνομαι.
Compare Polit. 289 6: τά τε
γεωργίας καὶ τὰ τῶν ἄλλων τεχνῶν
ἔργα διακομίζοντες ἐπ᾽ ἀλλήλους
καὶ ἀνισοῦντες, οἱ μὲν κατ᾽ ἀγορὰς
οἱ δὲ πόλιν ἐκ πόλεως ἀλλάττοντες
κατὰ θάλασσαν καὶ πεζῇ, νόμισμά
τε πρὸς τάλλα καὶ αὐτὸ πρὸς αὑτὸ
διαμείβοντες. Heindorf renders
in both passages, “ exchanging
one city for another.” But in
this case π. ε. 7. vou. ἀμ. could
only mean “ being induced by
a money payment to change
their abode,” which is plainly
not intended here. Hence
Stallbaum’s objection to vopic-
ματος. In Apol. 37 d, ἄλλην
ἐξ ἄλλης πόλεως ἀμειβομένῳ, it
is observable that the middle
voice is used; οἵ, however,
Legg. 760 c. The meaning is
the same as supr. 223 e: ἐξ
ἄλλης eis ἄλλην πόλιν διαλλαττό-
2248:
ἐκ πόλεως-----οἰς πόλιν----πιπρασκο-
μένην. For λέγωμεν, οἵ. Thet.
159 a: λέγωμεν δὴ ἐμέ τε καὶ
σὲ καὶ τἄλλ᾽ ἤδη κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν
λόγον.
13. Τῆς δὴ----ἀνάγκη] “Well, of
this mental merchandize one
y
μενον @vn καὶ πράσει.
Ε 2
And the
trade in
mental
wares is
conducted
either
through
eloquent
display, or
the com-
munication
of points of 5
learning.
And the
learning
thus bar-
tered may
concern the
arts, or
virtue.
The pur-
veyor of
arts may
be called
an art-
seller: but
what name
is appli-
cable to the
seller of
virtue ?
The name
of Sophist
alone.
15
Io
᾽ \ , 7 ao Ν Ν la ‘
ἐπιδεικτικὴ δικαιότατα λέγοιτ᾽ ἄν, TO δὲ γελοῖον μὲν p, 224, I
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
> a a , 5 \ , 5
οὐχ ἧττον τοῦ πρόσθεν, ὅμως δὲ μαθημάτων οὖσαν
χ γὴν ἀδελφῷ tl τῇ (ξ \VOMATL
πρᾶσιν αὐτὴν ἀδελφῷ τινὶ τῆς πράξεως ονοὸμ
lal 4
προσειπεῖν UVAYKN 5
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
σ΄ lal Ν ‘
EE. Ταύτης τοίνυν τῆς μαθηματοπωλικῆς τὸ Mev
Ν \ a 5) χω / εἰ. Ν δὲ
περὶ τὰ τῶν ἄλλων τεχνῶν μαθήματα ετέρῳ, TO OE
\ Ν al > a yy /
περὶ TO τὴς apeTns ἄλλῳ προσρήητεον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς γὰρ ov ;
\ ΄ 53 δ
EE. Τεχνοπωλικὸν μὴν to γε περὶ τάλλα ἂν
« / Ν \ ἂν A \ / /
apwoTTo’ τὸ δὲ περὶ ταῦτα σὺ προθυμηθητι λέγειν
yy
ονομα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ τί τις ἂν ἄλλο ὄνομα εἰπὼν οὐκ ἂν
/ \ \ ΄σ 7 Sa 5 ἈΝ
πλημμελοίη πλὴν τὸ νῦν ζητούμενον αὐτὸ εἶναι τὸ
Ν ,ὔ
σοφιστικὸν γένος ;
EE. Οὐδὲν ἄλλο.
By ΄ ’ > 7
ἴθι νυν συναγάγωμεν αυτο.-
λέγοντες ὡς τὸ κτητικῆς, μεταβλητικῆς, ἀγοραστικῆς,
kind might be most fairly term-
ed the art of display : but there
ig another, which will sound
no less oddly than the last, but
yet, as dealing in learned ware,
it must be called by some
name which smacks of learn-
ing.” Heind. and Stallb. think
that γελοῖον applies to the
name μαθηματοπωλικὴ as com-
pared with ψυχεμπορική, and
suggest γελοίῳ. The interpre-
tation is probably right, but
the emendation is unnecessary.
(13.) ψυχεμπορικῆς} The word
calls up the same contemptible
association which is contained
in puxayoyia. Compare also
the expression of Soph. Antig.
1063: ὡς μὴ ἐμπολήσων ἴσθι
τὴν ἐμὴν φρένα.
7. ἑτέρῳ --- ἄλλῳ] For the
variety, cf. Theet. 85 ὦ: ἃ δὲ
ἑτέρας δυνάμεως αἰσθάνει, ἀδύνα-
τον Ot ἄλλης ταῦτ᾽ αἰσθέσθαι.
alib.
IO. τὸ περὶ τἄλλα] Cf. τὸ περὶ
τὴν----πληγὴν, Supr. 221 Ὁ.
ἂν ἁρμόττοι] προσειπεῖν must
be repeated in thought.
14. αὐτὸ εἶναι] Pleonastic re-
sumption.
16. Οὐδὲν ἄλλο] Se. εἰπὼν οὐκ
ἂν πλημμελοίη. In the follow-
ing recapitulation μεταβλητικὴ is
again used for ἀλλακτικὴ, and the
distinction between αὐτοπωλικὴ
and ἀλλακτικὴ is omitted, al-
though alluded to in the next
sentence.
17. μεταβλητικῆς} Bodl. pera-
βλητικὸν, which is, however,
probably taken from a few
lines below.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 37
Pp. 224. ἐμπορικῆς, ψυχεμπορικῆς περὶ λόγους καὶ μαθήματα
: ἀρετῆς πωλητικὸν δεύτερον ἀνεφάνη σοφιστική.
ΘΕΑΙ. Mada γε.
53 > > ᾽ A
HE. Τρίτον δέ γ᾽ οἶμαί σε, κἂν εἴ τις αὐτοῦ The same
λ ὃ ; ΩΝ τ Σ 7 ᾿ ᾿ « [5 found to
καθιδρυμένος ἐν πόλει, τὰ μὲν ὠνούμενος, τὰ δὲ καὶ 5 apply,
, SUN , R κ᾿ τ pe thirdly, to
τεκταινόμενος αὐτὸς μαθηματα περὶ τὰ αὐτὰ ταῦτα the home
\ a » , \ a aay, a merchant
καὶ πωλῶν, ἐκ τούτου TO ζῆν προὐτάξατο, καλεῖν ον manu
> ” Wg a , facturer
οὐδὲν ἄλλο πλὴν ὕπερ νῦν δή. of learned
stores,
» Υ
OEAI. Τί δ᾽ οὐ μέλλω ;
Χ lal fo /
HE. Καὶ τὸ κτητικῆς ἄρα μεταβλητικὸν, wyopa- το
, N oy > 7 > ,ὕ “ 7
6 OTLKOY, καπηλικὸν ETE αὐτοπωλικον, ἀμφοτέρως, ὁ τί
EN 5. \ la \ /
περ ἂν ἢ περὶ TA τοιαῦτα μαθηματοπωλικὸν γένος,
ῬῬ. 225.
PENN \ ta) e / /
ἀεὶ OV προσερεῖς, ὡς φαίνει, σοφιστικον.
@EAL. ᾿Ανάγκη" τῷ γὰρ λόγῳ δεῖ συνακολουθεῖν.
\ > f “ /
EE. “Ere δὴ σκοπῶμεν, εἴ τινι τοιῷδε προσέοικεν 15
7 χ Ξ , ,
ἄρα TO νῦν μεταδιωκόμενον γένος.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ποίῳ dy ;
HE. Τῆς κτητικῆς ἀγωνιστική τι μέρος ἡμῖν ἦν.
4. κἂν εἴ τις αὐτοῦ καθιδρυ-
μένος ἐν πόλει] The former de-
finition included all the greater
Sophists (including Zeno, see
1 Ale. 119 a), this applies to
some lesser lights, such as Anti-
phon, and Damon the musician,
perhaps to Antisthenes, though
it is not certain that he taught
for pay. Cf. Men. 92 b (Any-
tus’ speech) : εἴτε τις ξένος ἐπι-
χειρεῖ τοιοῦτόν τι ποιεῖν εἴτε ἀστός.
5. τὰ δὲ καὶ τεκταινόμενος]
1.6. αὐτουργὸς ὧν τῶν μαθημάτων.
6. περὶ τὰ αὐτὰ ταῦτα]! Se.
τὰ τῆς ἀρετῆς: 80 also π. τὰ
τοιαῦτα infr.
II. καπηλικὸν εἴτε αὐτοπωλι-
κόν] This alternative is justi-
fied by the words ra pev—
αὐτὸς in the preceding sen-
tence. Cf. Protag. 313 ¢:
6 σοφιστὴς ---- ἔμπορύς τις ἢ κά-
πηλος. The distinction between
καπηλικὴ and αὐτοπωλικὴ (as a
part of peraBAnrikn) has been
taught above, p. 223 d.
13. ὡς φαίνει] Cf. Rep. 3, 389
δι: οὐκ ἀποδεκτέον κατὰ τὸν σὸν
Εἰ σύ, ἔφη, βούλει ἐμὸν
τιθέναι, οὐ γὰρ οὖν δὴ ἀποδεκτέον.
14. λόγῳ] Bodl. AT. λογικῷ.
This corruption is no doubt due
to the frequency of the same
termination in what precedes.
18. ἀγωνιστική] Supr. 219 6.
Distinguished from θηρευτική
as the violent from the secret
mode of appropriation without
contract.
λόγον.
Once more,
dividing
violent
conquest,
which was
a portion
of acquisi-
tive art,
into emula-
tion and
contention:
we see that
bodily con-
tention is
the art of
quelling
by force.
Logical
contention,
on the
other hand,
is the art
of contro-
versy-
Contro-
versy is
either
forensic,
being held
through
long
speeches in
public on
questions
of right,
or disputa-
tious, con-
sisting of
short ques-
tions and
answers in
private.
oO
JIC
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἦν yap οὖν.
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
ἜΞΗ Οὐ yy / / ’ Ν ὃ “ » \
“ὦ. UK απὸ τΤροτποὺ Τοινὺυν €OTL οιαίρειν αὐτὴν
δίχα.
SEAI. Καθ᾿ ὁποῖα λέγε.
Ν « lad
EE. To μὲν ἁμιλλητικὸν αὐτῆς τιθέντας, τὸ δὲ
μαχητικόν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἔστιν.
EE. Τῆς τοί ἧς τῷ μὲν σώ ὸ
ey Hse nS TOLVUY μαχητΤιΚης T@ μεν σώμᾶτι προς
/ / Ν TEN / »
σώματα γιγνομένῳ σχεδὸν εἰκὸς καὶ πρέπον ὄνομα
GEAI. Nai.
7 a ,ὕ - ,
Io λέγειν Tl TOLOUTOV τιθεμένους OLOV βιαστικον.
EE. Τῷ δὲ λόγοις πρὸς λόγους τί τις, ὦ Θεαί-
τητε, ἄλλο εἴπῃ πλὴν ἀμφισβητητικόν ;
ΘΈΑΙ. Οὐδέν.
EE. Τὸ δέ γε περὶ τὰς ἀμφισβητήσεις θετέον
διττόν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῇ;
aE K θ᾽ “ \ Ν᾽ / 4 , Ν
Hi. Kal οσον μεν yap γιγνεται μηκεσι τε προς
3 7, / ΄ Ν aN Χ , Ν y+
ἐναντία pnkn λόγων καὶ περὶ Ta δίκαια Kal ἀδικα
, ͵
20 δημοσίᾳ, δικανικον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Nai.
2. ἅπο] So the Bodleian
MS. here as in Theet. 143 ¢.
5. Τὸ μὲν ἁμιλλητικὸν----τὸ δὲ
μαχητικόν ἢ Perhaps there is
here the germ of the fine
thought which is more fully
expressed in Legg. 5, 731 a:
φιλονεικείτω δὲ ἡμῖν πᾶς πρὸς
ἀρετὴν ἀφθόνως. ὁ μὲν γὰρ τοιοῦτος
τὰς πόλεις αὔξει, ἁμιλλώμενος μὲν
αὐτὸς, τοὺς ἄλλους δὲ οὐ κολούων
διαβολαῖς. Cf. Criti. τορ Ὁ:
Θεοὶ --- ἅπασαν γῆν --- διελάγχανον,
οὐ κατ᾽ ἔριν.
9. γιγνομένῳ] Cf. supr. 220 e.
10. λέγειν ---- τιθεμένου] A
periphrasis for τίθεσθαι. “To
use some such name, assign-
ing it.” For τίθεσθαι in this
sense, cf. Theet. 157 ¢: ᾧ---
ἄνθρωπον----τίθενται.
12. λόγοις πρὸς λόγους] Se.
γιγνομένῳ.
18. Καθ᾿ ὅσον μὲν γὰρ] γὰρ not
only answers the question, but,
in doing so, gives a reason for
the previous statement.
19. περὶ τὰ δίκαια καὶ ἄδικα]
These words apply also to the
next division.
Pp. 225%)
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
99
— Ν ’ / 3 ΄,
ΞΕ. Τὸ δ᾽ ἐν ἰδίοις αὖ καὶ κατακεκερματισμένον
» / ἊΝ ᾽ / fad νὼ cS
ἐρωτήσεσι πρὸς ἀποκρίσεις μῶν εἰθίσμεθα καλεῖν
ἄλλο πλὴν ἀντιλογικόν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδέν.
— a \ - Ν / σ Ν \
BE. Τοῦ δὲ ἀντιλογικοῦ τὸ μέν, ὅσον περὶ TAs
, la) > σὰ \ ΄
ξυμβόλαια ἀμφισβητεῖται μέν, εἰκῇ δὲ καὶ ἀτέχνως
Ν / a / \ 5 » /
περὶ αὐτὸ πράττεται, ταῦτα θετέον μὲν εἰδος, ἐπείπερ
πῶς / e “ Ἃ ε ,ὔ x N >
αὐτὸ διέγνωκεν ὡς ἕτερον ὃν ὁ AOYos, aTap ἐπωνυ-
Ms “ 2} A a « ᾽
μίας οὔθ᾽ ὑπὸ τῶν ἔμπροσθεν ἔτυχεν οὔτε νῦν ὑφ
« a lod 5,
ἡμῶν τυχεῖν aELOV.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αληθῆ: κατὰ σμικρὰ γὰρ λίαν καὶ παν-
τοδαπὰ διήρηται.
BE. Τὸ δέ γε ἔντεχνον, καὶ περὶ δικαίων αὐτῶν
, Ν = A 7 3 a
καὶ ἀδίκων καὶ περὶ τῶν ἄλλων ὅλως ἀμφισβητοῦν,
3» » » Ν 53 ’ὔ ».7
ap οὐκ ἐριστικον αὖ λέγειν εἰθισμεθα ;
I. κατακεκερματισμένον --- ἀπο-
κρίσει] The construction fol-
lows μήκεσι πρὸς ἐναντία μήκη
λόγων, by a sort of zeugma,
since the dative (of the man-
ner) is more natural with y-
γνόμενον than
μένον.
5. Τοῦ δὲ ἀντιλογικοῦ---διήρη-
ται] “Νον of controversy that
which consists of disputes about
contracts, conducted in a ran-
dom artless way, must indeed
be distinguished as a separate
kind, since our dialectic per-
ceives in it a determinate cha-
racter, but, as it has never yet
been named, so it is not worth
while for us now to name it.”
“True; the fragments into
which it is divided are too
small and heterogeneous for
this.” παντοδαπά is not exactly
in construction with λίαν, but
is an expansion of σμικρά.
κατακεκέρματισ =
ὅσον--- ἀμφισβητεῖται μέν] The
action of the verb becomes the
subject of the passive form,
as In γιγνόμενον, ἀνασπώμενον,
&e., supra. Compare Soph.
Trach. 167: τοιαῦτ᾽ ἔφασκε
πρὸς θεῶν εἱμαρμένα τῶν “Hpa-
κλείων ἐκτελευτᾶσθαι πόνων.
6. ἀτέχνως] Bodl. ἀτεχνῶς.
7. πράττεται is impersonal.
8. ἐπωνυμίας] Modern poli-
tical economy has supplied the
missing term, viz. “higgling
in the market,” except that the
word ξυμβόλαια extends to
other contracts besides those
of commerce, including every
private matter of dispute, how-
ever trifling.
13. καὶ περὶ δικαίων αὐτῶν καὶ
ἀδίκων καὶ περὶ τῶν ἄλλων ὅλως]
Compare Theet. 175 Ὁ : ὅταν----
ἐθελήσῃ ---ἐκβῆναι ἐκ τοῦ τί ἐγὼ
σὲ ἀδικῶ ἢ τί σὺ ἐμὲ εἰς σκέψιν
αὐτῆς δικαιοσύνης τε καὶ ἀδικίας,
ΟΥ̓ disputa-
tious con-
troversy,
one kind is
nameless,
and does
not deserve
a name,
when men
higgle over
10 contracts.
Another
and more
systematic
form of the
15 same thing
is when
men argue
τ secundem
artem”’ on
general
principles
of right.
This is
Eristic,
which may 5
either
waste the
talker’s
substance
and the
hearers’
patience,
when it is
mere loqua-
city, or
may make
a gain of
disputa-
tion, in
which case,
what is
its right
name 2
μι
σι
This won-
derful So-
phist has
turned up
a fourth
time.
40 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ:
ΞῈ Τοῦ μὴν ἐριστικοῦ τὸ μὲν χρηματοφθορικόν, ἃ
Ν ‘ Ἃ ΄
τὸ δὲ χρηματιστικὸν ὃν τυγχάνει.
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασί γε.
\ > / / A « / Qn qn
BE. THv ἐπωνυμίαν τοίνυν, ἣν ἑκάτερον δεῖ καλεῖν
ya a 7 a
αὑτῶν, πειραθῶμεν εἰπεῖν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐκοῦν χρή.
HE. Δοκῶ μὴν τό γε Ov ἡδονὴν τῆς περὶ ταῦτα
διατριβῆς ἀμελὲς τῶν οἰκείων γιγνόμενον, περὶ δὲ
\ / “ lo ~ / >
1oTny λέξιν τοῖς πολλοῖς τῶν ἀκουόντων οὐ μεθ᾽
« ΄“ ᾽ “ Ν
ἡδονῆς ἀκουόμενον, καλεῖσθαι κατὰ γνώμην τὴν ἐμὴν
» A ὃ λ a
οὐχ €TEPOV HOOAEO XLKOV.
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγεται yap οὖν οὕτω πως.
— 7, , ᾽ , 30. IN κα 9 a
=E. Τούτου τοίνυν τοὐναντίον, ἀπὸ τῶν ἰδιωτικῶν
4 ᾿ > ’ὔ \ a ΄
ἐρίδων χρηματιζόμενον, εν T@ μέρει GU πειρῶ VUV
εἰπεῖν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ τίς ἂν αὖ εἰπὼν ἕτερον οὐκ ἐξαμάρτοι
’ Ν Χ 7 > lat “ 5
πλὴν γε τὸν θαυμαστὸν πάλιν ἐκεῖνον ἥκειν αὖ
k.t.A. For ὅλως (referring to
αὐτῶν = in a universal manner,
opposed to κατὰ σμικρὰ καὶ παν-
τοδαπά), cf, ib. 174 a: φύσιν
ἐρευνωμένη τῶν ὄντων ἑκάστου
ὅλου. The Sophist’s art is
now described as bearing the
semblance of philosophy, and as
being engaged with the same
class of questions.
8. τό ye δι᾿ ἡδονῆς---ἀδολεσχι-
κοῦ] It is possible that the
work of Socrates is here ironi-
cally described as ‘ chremato-
phthoric,’ whereas that of the
Sophist is ‘ chrematistic.’ Com-
pare Polit. 299 ce, where in
the state which is jealous of
the laws the ture statesman or
philosopher is said to be called
by his fellow-citizens ἀδολεσχής
τις σοφιστής.
9. περὶ δὲ τὴν λέξιν----ἀκουόμε-
vov| These words are inserted
in order to indicate the deri-
vation of ἀδολεσχής, quasi ἀηδὴς
τῇ λέξει.
18, πάλιν---ἥκειν] Cf. ΤΉ Θεοῦ.
196 Ὁ: εἰς τοὺς αὐτοὺς ἀνήκει
Cf. Legg. 3, 683 a:
τετάρτη τις ἥκει πόλις κατοικιζο-
μένη. Cf. 7140: πάλιν ἡμῖν
ἀμφισβητούμενον ἐλήλυθεν. Hip-
parch. 232 a: πάλιν τρίτον ἢ
τέταρτον ἥκει ἡμῖν ὁμολογούμενον.
The conjecture of Heindorf, καὶ
τί τις ἄν, although supported by
the analogy of p. 224 6, καὶ τί
τις ἂν ἄλλο ὄνομα εἰπὼν οὐκ ἂν
πλημμελοίη, to which αὖ clearly
λόγους.
Pp. 2255
σαι».
| inane
Neath λυ οὐ,.. ὗν. ἢ
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
φιστήν.
41
fo) , \ / « ᾽ ΄ ΄
p- 226. νῦν τέταρτον τὸν μεταδιωκόμενον ὑφ᾽ ἡμῶν σο-
\ > x Ν ‘ / «
mE. Οὐδὲν ἄλλ᾽ ἢ τὸ χρηματιστικὸν γένος, ws
, ἴω δ an Qn a
ἔοικεν, ἐριστικῆς ὃν τέχνης, τῆς ἀντιλογικῆς, τῆς
ἀμφισβητητικῆς, τῆς μαχητικῆς, τῆς ἀγωνιστικῆς, 5
“ “ 3 « « ͵7 5 7 =~ fe
TNS κτητικῆς ἐστιν, ὡς Ο AOyOS αὖ μεμῆνυκε νῦν, ὁ
σοφιστής.
ΘΙΕΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
a 45) « ἴων ᾽ὔ Ν
HE. Ὁρᾷς οὖν ὡς ἀληθῆ λέγεται τὸ ποικίλον His wiles
3 a \ ,ὔ Q Ν , ΕῚ ne ͵ὕ
ELVAL TOVTO TO θηρίον, Kal TO λεγόμενον ου ΤΊ) ετέρᾳᾷ 10
,
ληπτέον :
OEAI. Οὐκοῦν ἀμφοῖν χρή.
\ \ 5 \ , ἢ 9
mE. Χρὴ yap οὖν, καὶ κατὰ dvvapiv ye οὕτω
᾽7ὔ / 7 ΕΣ » a ͵
ποιητέον, τοιόνδε TL μεταθέοντας ἴχνος αὐτοῦ. Kal
refers, is not absolutely ne-
cessary or certain.
1. τὸν om. Bodl. Al. The
omission is probably due to
the ὁμοιοτέλευτον rather than,
as Stallbaum imagined, to
conjecture: although the in-
telligibleness of the phrase τέ-
TapTov ἥκει μεταδιωκόμενον May
have assisted the error.
3. τὸ χρηματιστικὸν] His ge-
nealogy is this time traced
backwards for the sake of va-
riety. Cf. infr. 268 ¢: ἀρχόμενον
ἀπὸ τελευτῆς.
4. ἐριστικῆς ὃν τέχνη] The
insertion of pleonastic words,
such as ὃν in this place, be-
longs to the peculiar style
which Plato has chosen to
adopt.
9. ἀληθῆ λέγεται 7d] Cf.
Men. 98 Ὁ: καὶ τοῦτό μοι δο-
κεῖς ἀληθῆ λέγειν. Lach. 186a:
καὶ τοῦτο μὲν ἀληθῆ λέγεις. The
form ἀληθῆ λέγεις was so fre-
quent that the plural predicate
is retained even with a singular
subject. Cf. x. Ale. 169 ὃς:
πρὸς ταῦτ᾽ apa—ro δίκαιον.
ποικίλον] Supr. 223 b, εὖ μάλα
ποικίλης.
10. τὸ θηρίον] The image of
the hunt for the Sophist, which
was cautiously introduced in
p- 218 6, is here advanced
somewhat more boldly.
ov τῇ ἑτέρᾳ ληπτέον] “ Not
to be caught with one hand.”
This very natural expression,
and indeed the colour of the
whole passage, is destroyed by
Stallbaum, who says that οὐ τῇ
ér. Δ. is a boxing phrase. If it
were so, there would be an in-
tolerable confusion of metaphors
in what follows.
14. τοιόνδε μεταθέοντας ἴχνος
αὐτοῦῇΒ We have tried every
path which we had opened in
searching for the angler, and
the Sophist is not yet taken.
He is not to be caught with
one hand, we must use both:
are mani-
fold, and
so must
be our en-
deavours.
There is a
trace of
him which
we have
not yet
examined.
Our house-
hold ser-
vants talk,
and so do
we, of sift-
ing,rinsing,
scouring,
straining,
wringing :
Also of
combing,
carding,
warping,
and the
like,
4.2
7 - > ao » 7 “ y )
μοι A€ye’ τῶν OLKETLKOY ὀνομάτων καλοῦμεν ATTA Pp. 226, |’
που:
ITAATQNOZ
OEAI. Kai πολλά: ἀτὰρ ποῖα δὴ τῶν πολλῶν
πυνθάνει ;
EE. Ta τοιάδε, οἷον διηθεῖν τε λέγομεν καὶ διατ-
τᾷν καὶ βράττειν καὶ Τδιακρίνειν.
ΘΈΑΙ. Ti μήν;
=E K Ν / , yf / /
bey Ls al Wpos Ve Τοῦτοις ETL ξαίνειν, KATAYELV,
/ Ν 7 ᾽ 5 / y+ an
κερκίζειν, καὶ μυρία εν ταῖς τέχναις ἄλλα τοιαῦτα
Dy / 5 4 3 7
10 €VOVTA ἐπιστάμεθα. ἢ γάρ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον αὐτῶν πέρι βουληθεὶς δηλῶσαι;
/ a \ / 27)
παραδείγματα προθεὶς ταῦτα κατὰ πάντων ρου;
EE. Διαιρετικά που τὰ λεχθέντα εἴρηται Evp-
TAVTQ.
OEAI. Nat.
\ \ Sa / ~
SE. Kara τὸν ἐμὸν τοίνυν λόγον ὡς περὶ ταῦτα
in other words, we must
try another and independent
track. This “new scent,” how-
ever, is not wholly uncon-
nected with those previously
followed. For the notion of
the Elenchus, which is the
characteristic now to be set
up, has been suggested by the
mention of ἀντιλογική.
I. τῶν ὀνομάτων
Throughout these dialogues,
by an exaggeration of the cy-
nical irony of Socrates, not
without a true feeling of the
universality of science, the
highest thoughts are illustrated
by the lowest images.
τῶν οἰκετικῶν ---που 3] “ There
are some words in use amongst
our menials to which we give
currency, I presume ?”
5. λέγομεν] Note the intro-
OLKETLK@V
duction of a fresh verb, re-
suming καλοῦμεν.
6. καὶ Ἰδιακρίνειν ] Unless δια-
κρίνειν (or διακινεῖν (1), to “shake
up,” cf. Ar. Nub. 477) was
used in some special technical
sense, the word occurs strangely
here, and awkwardly antici-
pates what follows. “ Itaque
ni, quod parum probabile, ab
aliend manu asserta hee καὶ
διακρίνειν putentur, in verbo
διακρίνειν aliud videtur delitu-
isse, quod felicior aliquando
conjector reperiet.” Heind.
16. ὡς---τέχνην! Cf. Phileb.
18 6: μίαν ἐπ᾽ αὐτοῖς ὡς οὖσαν
γραμματικὴν τέχνην ἐπεφθέγξατο
προσειπών. τέχνην is resumed
by αὐτὴν for the sake of clear-
ness, as in Theet.155 d: ἀνδρῶν
—airév. alib.
ΣΟΦΙΣΊΤΗΣ.
42
/ 53 » “ / Cle > / ᾽ 7
ΟΡ. 226, μιὰν OVOQAV EV ATTACL TEXVIV, ἐνὸς OVOMAaTOS ἀξιώ-
d
/
σομεν αὐτὴν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Tiva προσειπόντες ;
BE. Διακριτικήν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἔστω.
EE. Σκόπει δὴ ταύτης αὖ δύο av πη δυνώμεθα
κατιδεῖν εἴδη.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ταχεῖαν ὡς ἐμοὶ σκέψιν ἐπιτάττεις.
aE K Ν δ y > > / ὃ / \
μ᾿ ds Qt μὴν ἐν γε Tals εἰρημεναις ἰ(ἀκρισεσι TO
\ la » \ / 5 / 3 XN >
μὲν χεῖρον ἀπὸ βελτίονος ἀποχωρίζειν ἦν, τὸ ὃ
Ψ s ᾽ € /
ὅμοιον ἀφ᾽ ὁμοίου.
ΘΒΑΙ. Σχεδὸν οὕτω νῦν λεχθὲν φαίνεται.
ἜΠῚ TH \ / y ᾽ 2) / Σ
“i. Ings μὲν τοινυν ονομα οὐκ ἔχω λεγόμενον
4. Acaxpitexny] Cf. Pelit.
282 Ὁ : μεγάλα τινὲ κατὰ πάντα
ἡμῖν ἤστην τέχνα, ἡ συγκριτική τε
καὶ διακριτιῆ. There is here
brought into distinct promi-
nence the idea of Difference,
(suggested by that of Contro-
versy), on which the discussion
in this dialogue chiefly turns.
8. ὡς ἐμοὶ] Cf Rep. 536 ¢,
d: οὔκουν ὥς ay) ἐμοὶ ἀκροατῇ.
"AAN ὡς ἐμοὶ, ἣν δ᾽ ἐγώ, ῥήτορι.
Soph. Aj. 395: ἔρεβος ὦ φαεν-
νότατον, ὡς ἐμοἔ. For the
meaning of κερκίζειν, which is
not clearly given in the Lexi-
cons, see Cratyl. 388 a: kep-
κίζοντες δὲ Ti δρῶμεν ; ov
κρόκην καὶ τοὺς στήμονας συγκε-
χυμένους διακρίνομεν ; It seems
to have been a process, not
merely of making fast, but of
giving a regular appearance
to the web by means of the
comb or κερκίς. See Smith’s
Dictionary of Antiquities, art.
Tela, p. trot Ὁ.
\
THY
G
9. ἔν ye—spotovl] “In the
separations above named we
saw included the parting of
worse from better and of like
from like.” The past tense
implies an appeal to experi-
ence. For the limitation of the
inference by means of ye, cf.
Theet. 204 ¢:
ἀριθμοῦ ἐστι.
τὸ μὲν] Τὰ. ο΄, διηθεῖν, διατ-
τᾷν, βράττειν.
10. τὸ δὲ] E. g. ξαίνειν, κατά-
γειν, κερκίζειν.
12. Σχεδὸν----φαίνεται] “ Such
does appear to be the case now
you have put it into words.”
οὕτω is to be joined with φαί-
For λεχθὲν, cf. the Ho-
meric ῥεχθὲν δέ τε νήπιος ἔγνω.
Rep. 2; 370 Ὁ : ἐννοῶ γὰρ καὶ av-
τὸς εἰπόντος cov. Phileb. 14 ¢:
θαυμαστὸν λεχθέν. Legg. 2,672
b: διὰ τὸ κακῶς τοὺς avOparovs
αὐτὸ ὑπολαβεῖν καὶ γνῶναι λεχθέν.
Phileb. 45 b: νῦν ῥηθὲν φαί-
νεται.
᾿" ΄ “ >
ἔν ye τοῖς ὅσα ἐξ
νεται.
“Ὰ
--
All these
are in
stances of
dividing;
but while
in those
last men-
tioned like
is divided
from like,
in the for-
mer the
good 1s
separated
from the
bad.
ΤῸ do
this is to
purify.
And there
are two
sorts of
purifica-
tion.
First of
bodies,
whether
animate or
inanimate,
there are
purgations
both in-
44
> / Ν / Ν ;
τῆς δὲ καταλειπούσης μὲν TO βέλτιον διακρίσεως, TO p. 226. |)
ITAATQNOZ
de χεῖρον ἀποβαλλούσης ἔχω.
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγε τί.
΄σ « / 4 . > \ ΄σ
ZE. Πᾶσα ἡ τοιαύτη διάκρισις, ὡς ἐγὼ ξυννοῶ,
/ \ ’ /
5 λέγεται Tapa πάντων καθαρμος τις.
OEAI. Λέγεται γὰρ οὖν.
EE. Οὐκοῦν τό ye καθαρτικὸν εἶδος αὖ διπλοῦν
> la “Δ »,
ον πᾶς ἂν ἰδοι;
GHAI. Nai, κατὰ σχολήν γε ἴσως" οὐ μὴν ἔγωγε
10 καθορῶ νῦν.
— ἂν Χ \ ΄ Ν >
SE. Kat μὴν τὰ περὶ τὰ σώματα πολλὰ εἰδὴ
΄ εἰς lad / /
καθαρσεων evi περιλαβεῖν ὀνόματι προσήκει.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ποῖα καὶ τίνι:
I ΄ὔ an / σ » ἊΝ 7, « Ν
SE. Ta τε τῶν ζώων, ὅσα ἐντὸς σωμάτων ὑπὸ
Ξ 5 an a , ,
ternal and 15 γυμναστικῆς ἰατρικῆς τε ὀρθῶς διακρινόμενα καθαί-
external.
ν NN 3 7 > ΄- A a cd
ρεται καὶ περὶ TAKTOS, εἰπεῖν μεν φαῦλα, ὅσα βαλα-
4. ὡς ἐγὼ ξυννοῶ] “As I
perceive on taking a general
survey : i. 6. by a process of
auvayoyn. ‘“O yap συνοπτικὸς
διαλεκτικός. (Rep. 7, 537 ¢.)
5. καθαρμός τις] The thought
which is here introduced, that
philosophy is a purification of
the soul, has an affinity with
Pythagorean doctrine, and is
in harmony with the Pheedo.
The same idea is applied to the
science of government in the
Politicus, 293 d. Cf. also Legg.
5,735. τις narks the introduc-
tion of a fresh notion. Cf. Polit.
299 Ο: εἰς δή τι δικαστήριον.
II. πολλὰ] Se. ὄντα.
12. καθάρσεων] ‘ processes of
cleansing.” For the variation of
the word, cf. Lege. 9, 868 ¢, d:
καθάρσεις---καθαρμούς, ib. 735 6.
14. Ta te τῶν ζώων --- καθαί-
petal] “IT mean both cleans-
ings of living bodies, including
such right separations and pur-
gations as are effected within.”
15. διακρινόμενα! Compare
Phileb. 46 6: τῷ τὰ συγκεκρι-
μένα βίᾳ διαχεῖν ἢ τὰ διακεκριμένα
συγχεῖν. Ar. Eth. Nic. VII. 14,
δ6: of δὲ μελαγχολικοὶ τὴν φύσιν
ἀεὶ δέονται ἰατρείας καὶ τὸ σῶμα
δακνόμενον διὰ τὴν
κρᾶσιν, where similar physio-
logical notions are implied.
16. περὶ τἀκτός] Se. καθαιρό-
μενα. The notion of εἴδη is
not distinctly repeated with
ὅσα, which is the cognate sub-
ject (in apposition to the ac-
tion) of διακρινόμενα καθαίρεται.
I.e. ὅσαι 6. xk. =
τε καὶ καθαρμοὶ γίγνονται.
εἰπεῖν μὲν φαῦλα] Se. εἶδος δὲ
ἔχοντα ὅμως.
διατελεῖται
a ,
ὅσαι διακρίσεις
Pp. 2272
τ a a
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 45
\ / “ > / , τε
Ρ. 227. νευτικὴ παρέχεται: καὶ τῶν ἀψύχων σωμάτων, ὧν
\ \ 7 \ \ ᾽ 7
γναφευτικὴ καὶ ξύμπασα κοσμητικὴ τὴν ἐπιμέλειαν
/ \ \ Ν Ν vad A
παρεχομένη κατὰ σμικρὰ πολλὰ καὶ γελοῖα δοκοῦντα
/ ΒΩ
ὀνόματα ἔσχεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Mada γε.
\ 5 5 / ‘ \
BE. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν, ὦ Θεαίτητε. ἀλλὰ yap
2. γναφευτικὴ καὶ ξύμπασα κο-
σμητικὴ It is implied that
γναφευτικὴ, cloth-dressing, is a
department of κοσμητική, the art
of making neat. This is dis-
tinctly affirmed in Polit. 282 a:
πολλῆς οὔσης τῆς κοσμητικῆς τοὺν-
ταῦθα αὐτῆς μύριον εἰκὸς περιλαμ-
βάνειν ---- κναφευτικῆ. The word
κοσμητικὴ is not found elsewhere
in this sense, and Dr. Badham,
following the analogy of Valck-
naer’s correction (?) of Hdt.VIT.
209 (τὰς κεφαλὰς [κυ]σμέονται),
would prefer σμητικῆ. But it
should be borne in mind that
“washing” and “ darning”
(πλυντικὴ καὶ ἀκεστικὴ, Polit. 1...)
are included in the art in ques-
tion. ‘ Renovation” is not
quite an equivalent, because
κοσμητικῆ implies dressing or
“brushing up” the new clothes
as well as the old.
τὴν ἐπιμέλειαν παρεχομένη κατὰ
σμικρὰ] “ Attending to which
things in a variety of minute
departments, the processes of
fuling and other furbishing
have earned a great number of
what are thought ridiculous
names.”
3. γελοῖα δοκοῦντα] “ Which
are thought ridiculous,’—since
no name really is so which con-
veys a genuine meaning. Cf.
Rep. 7, 538 Ὁ : οἰκείους δοκοῦν-
tas. Theet. 153 a: τὸ--- εἶναι
δοκοῦν.
δοκοῦσαι.
7. 199 d:
δοκοῦντα εἶναι νόμιμα.
4. ἔσχεν] Cf. Rep. 6, 502d:
ἐπειδὴ ταῦτα μόγις τέλος ἔσχεν.
6. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν] “There
can be no doubt of their
being thought absurd. But
then, Theeetetus, the spirit of
method cares neither more
nor less for sponging than for
physicking, if it be so that
the one does us small service
and the other great in the
way of purifying. For her
endeavour is to know what is
and is not kindred in the whole
range of the sciences and arts;
wherefore she pays equal ob-
servance to them all, and where
she finds resemblance between
things, she counts the one no
whit more ridiculous than the
other ; nor does she esteem
him who gives generalship as
an instance of “ pursuit” at all
more decorous but as a rule
rather more affected than one
who prefers the example of
vermin-killing.” For the verb
σπογγίζω, see Dem. de Cor. 313.
12; Aristoph. Thesm. 247.
This clause refers to the many
minute branches of κοσμητική
of which σπογγιστική is one,
rather than to the ἐκτὸς καθάρ-
σεις τῶν ζώων.
Ibid.176 ἃ : δεινότητες
And compare Legg.
πολλὰ καὶ σμικρὰ
(This occa-
sions the
remark
that sci-
entific
method
ignores the
common
standards
of mean
and high.
46
τῇ τῶν λόγων μεθόδῳ σπογγιστικῆς ἢ φαρμακοπο- P- 227.1)
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
͵, Oh - > aA ΄ ΄
σίας οὐδὲν ἧττον οὐδέ τι μᾶλλον τυγχάνει μέλον, εἰ
τὸ μὲν σμικρά, τὸ δὲ μεγάλα ἡμᾶς ὠφελεῖ καθαῖρον.
A , A “ A a a ‘
TOU κτήσασθαι yap €VEKA VOUY πασῶν τέχνων TO
5€vyyeves καὶ TO μὴ ξυγγενὲς κατανοεῖν πειρωμένη
ἴω Ν n » J 7 ἐν / lal
τίμα πρὸς τοῦτο ἐξ ἰσου TAOCaS, και θάτερα TOV
ἐ
« / \ Ν « / \ . Lal /
ἑτέρων κατὰ τὴν ὁμοιότητα οὐδὲν ἡγεῖται γελοιότερα,
σεμνότερον δέ τι τὸν διὰ στρατηγικῆς ἢ φθειριστικῆς
an Ν \ ’ > c ΧΝ
δηλοῦντα θηρευτικὴν οὐδὲν νενόμικεν, ἀλλ᾽ ὡς τὸ
I. σπογγιστικῆς]͵ “The art
of cleansing with the sponge.”
ἀλλὰ γάρ implies, “ But the
apparent absurdity of the
names is nothing to us, for,”
We.
2. οὐδέ τι μᾶλλον] Cf. Rep.
1, 339 Ὁ: οὔπω δῆλον οὐδ᾽ εἰ
μεγάλη. From ἃ humorous
determination to be strictly
impartial, it is purposely left
doubtful which is to be con-
sidered the more useful art.
Plato seems to have changed
his opinion on the subject of
pharmacy. Compare Rep. 3,
407 with Tim. 89 ¢, d.
4. τοῦ κτήσασθαι ἕνεκα νοῦν]
Compare Polit. 272 ¢: πυνθα-
νόμενοι παρὰ πάσης φύσεως εἴ
τινά τις ἰδίαν δύναμιν ἔχουσα
ἤσθετο τι διάφορον τῶν ἄλλων
εἰς συναγυρμὸν φρονήσεως.
τὸ συγγενὲς καὶ τὸ μὴ συγ-
yeves| Cf. Rep. 7, 531 ¢: ἐὰν μὲν
ἐπὶ τὴν ἀλλήλων κοινωνίαν ἀφίκη-
ται καὶ συγγένειαν, καὶ συλλογισθῇ
ταῦτα ἣ ἐστιν ἀλλήλοις οἰκεῖα, φέ-
pe τι αὐτῶν εἰς ἃ βουλόμεθα τὴν
στραγματείαν, καὶ οὐκ ἀνόνητα πο-
νεῖσθαι, εἰ δὲ μὴ, ἀνόνητα.
7. κατὰ τὴν ὁμοιότητα] LI. 6.
ἡ τοιαῦτά ἐστι. “In respect οἵ
their resemblance,”—to which
in the act of generalizing her
attention is confined.
8. σεμνότερον] “ More decor-
ous or refined.” Cf. Theet.
150a: φεύγουσι καὶ THY προμνη-
στικὴν ἅτε σεμναὶ οὖσαι αἱ μαῖαι,
Compare Parm. [30 6: ὅτε οὐδὲν
αὐτῶν ἀτιμάσεις. Phileb. 58 ¢,
Phedr. 261 Ὁ. Polit. 266 d:
6 τι τῇ τοιᾷδε μεθύδῳ τῶν λόγων
οὔτε σεμνοτέρου μᾶλλον ἐμέλησεν
ἢ μή. It is a true reflection,
though here ironically applied,
that science ignores the fasti-
diousness of the senses and the
prejudices of a refined taste,
and, as Lord Bacon says,
“ que palatia et cloacas in-
ereditur nec tamen polluitur.”
Noy. Organ. 1,120. Compare
also the defiance of ridicule in
Rep. 5, 452. And see the re-
marks of Mr.Grote on the pas-
sage of the Parmenides above
cited, Plato &ce., vol. 11. p. 268.
τι ---- οὐδὲν Cf. Pheed. 74a:
οὐδ᾽ ἄλλο τι τῶν τοιούτων οὐδέν.
9. θηρευτικὴνἢ Plato seems
to have been fond of the no-
tion of a science of θηρευτική
which should include war, ty-
ranny, the chase, rhetoric, and
sophistry under one head. Cf.
supr. p. 222, Eutbyd. 290 Ὁ,
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 47
Pp. 227. πολὺ χαυνότερον. καὶ δὴ καὶ νῦν, ὅπερ ἤρου, τί
προσεροῦμεν ὄνομα ξυμπάσας δυνάμεις, ὅσαι σῶμα
εἴτε ἔμψυχον εἴτε ἄψυχον {εἰλήφασι καθαίρειν, οὐδὲν
αὐτῇ διοίσει, ποῖόν τι λεχθὲν εὐπρεπέστατον εἶναι
Q
δόξει: μόνον ἐχέτω χωρὶς τῶν τῆς ψυχῆς καθάρσεων
σι
’ “ ‘
πάντα ξυνδῆσαν ὅσα ἄλλο τι καθαίρει Tov yap
Ν \ 7 Χ SON “- “΄ »
περὶ τὴν διάνοιαν καθαρμὸν ἀπὸ τῶν ἄλλων ἐπικε-
/ / \ “ / 7
χείρηκεν ἀφορίσασθαι τὰ viv, εἴ ye ὅπερ βούλεται
᾽ὔ
μανθανομεν.
> A , ἣν lal 7 \
OEAI. ᾿Αλλὰ μεμάθηκα, καὶ συγχωρῶ δύο μὲν 10 Secondly,
ἮΝ θά ἃ δὲ x N \ \ δ 5 there are
εἴδη καθάρσεως, ev δὲ TO περὶ THY ψυχὴν εἰδος εἶναι, — purifica-
a MKS A ΝΕ 9. tions of
τοῦ περὶ TO σωμα χωρὶς ον. ΕΣ ἢ
μι ΄ ΄ / \ . whereby
HE. Ilavrwv καλλιστα. Kal fol TO PETA the evil is
separated
from the
Polit. 299 ἃ, Rep. 2, 373 b, certain that εἰλήφασι here ig 8°
Lege. 7, 823; see also Epin.
975 0.
I. ὅπερ ἤρου] Supr. 226 e:
ποῖα καὶ τίνι. “And so now,
with respect to the question
wrong. Cf. Legg. 1, 624 a:
εἴληφε τὴν αἰτίαν. Ib. 6,768 d:
THY πλείστην νομοθεσίαν εἰλήφασι.
Hdt. III. 71. See also Phileb.
37 Ὁ, and the Zurich Editors’
you have asked, What name is
to be given to all faculties
whose province is to cleanse
animate or inanimate bodies,
she will not care, what expres-
sion will sound most seemly.”
τί mpocep. is explanatory of ὅπερ,
whose antecedent is in the ac-
cusative of respect after διοίσει.
οὐδὲν is adverbial, and the
subj. of διοίσει is the clause
ποῖόν τι δόξει.
3. Τεϊλήφασι 7 So all the
MSS. except a corrector of Par.
B., who gives εἰλήχασι (thus, εἰλή-
φασι). Although it is difficult
to bring forward another in-
stance of λαμβάνω used exactly
in this sense, or followed by
an infinitive, it is not quite
preface to the Philebus, p. xiv.
There is, however, a much
greater internal probability in
favour of εἰλήχασι, Cf. Theeet.
149 b: τὴν λοχείαν εἴληχε.
Tim. 52a: τοῦτο ὃ δὴ νοήσις
εἴληχεν ἐπισκοπεῖν. Lb. 38 d: τὴν
ἐναντίαν εἰληχὸς αὐτῷ δύναμιν.
5. ἐχέτω] Se. τὸ λεχθὲν ὄνομα.
Cf. Β6ρ.7,533: ἔστι δ᾽, ὡς ἐμοὶ
δοκεῖ, οὐ περὶ ὀνόματος ἀμφισβή-
τησις, οἷς τοσούτων πέρι σκέψις
ὅσων ἡμῖν πρόκειτα. Οὐ γὰρ
οὖν, ἔφη" ἀλλ᾽ ὃ ἂν μόνον δηλοῖ
πρὸς τὴν ἕξιν σαφηνείᾳ, ἃ λέγει
ἐν ψυχῇ.
7. ἐπικεχείρηκεν] Se. ἡ τῶν
λόγων τέχνη.
10. δύο --- καθάρσεως] εἶναι
must be supplied from the
following clause.
Io
Now men- I5
tal evils
are of two
kinds, cor-
responding
to disease
and ugli-
ness in the
body :
48
al ’ , , 5
TOUTO ἐπάκουε πειρώμενος GU TO
4
τέμνειν.
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
Ν
OEAI. Καθ᾿ ὁποῖ᾽ ἂν ὑφηγῇ,. πειράσομαί σοι
’ὔ
συντεμνειν.-
EE. Πονηρίαν ἕτερον ἀρετῆς ἐν ψυχῇ λέγομέν
Tl y
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς yap ov ;
=E. Kat μὴν καθαρμὸς ἦν τὸ λιπεῖν μὲν Oare-
’ WG? ΩΝ 3 / ΄
ρον, ἐκβάλλειν δὲ ὅσον ἂν ἡ πού τι φλαῦρον.
OEAI. Ἦν γὰρ οὖν.
ΞΕ. Καὶ ψυχῆς ἄρα καθ᾽ ὅσον ἂν εὑρίσκωμεν
7 » / 7, Ν 9. Ὁ vA >
κακίας ἀφαίρεσίν τινα, καθαρμὸν αὐτὸν λέγοντες ἐν
μέλει φθεγξόμεθα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ μάλα γε.
\ 3 ¢e
=E. Avo μὲν εἴδη κακίας περὶ ψυχὴν ῥητέον.
ΘΈΑΙ. Iota;
= \ \ e , » , \ > ἘΣ
ΞΕ. To μὲν οἷον νοσοὸν ἐν σώματι, To δ᾽ οἷον
5 3 ,ὔ
αισχος εγγίιγνομενον.
ΘΈΑΙ. Οὐκ ἔμαθον.
I. ἐπάκουε πειρώμενος] Bad-
ham elegantly conjectures ἐπα-
κολούθει : and, less happily,
πειρωμένῳ: Of. Polit. 261 a:
ἀλλ᾽ ἐπακολουθῶν σύντεμνε. See
however Legg. goo d: καὶ σφο-
Spa γε ἐπήκουε. ib. gos d.
5. ἀρετῆς] Bodl. ἄρ᾽ τῆς.
8. λιπεῖν]! So all the MSS.
“To leave once for all what is
not evil, but continually to
throw out whatever evil is
found anywhere.” So the dif-
ference of tense may be ex-
pressed. The action of λιπεῖν
is viewed as final, that of ἐκβάλ-
Aew as continuous. Heind. conj.
λείπειν.
9. mov] “anywhere.” 1. 6. (in
the present instance) “in any
region of the soul.”
11. ψυχῆς] Gen. after κακίας
ἀφαίρεσιν and καθαρμόν. Cf.
supr. 224 a and note.
12. αὐτὸν refers to ἀφαίρεσιν,
but agrees in gender by at-
traction with καθαρμόν.
ἐν μέλε] Cf. Phileb. 28
b: ἵνα μὴ---παρὰ μέλος φθεγξώ-
μεθά τὶ. “In tune,” i. 6: con-
sistently.
15. Avo μὲν εἴδη κακίας] The
implied apodosis, which is
postponed by the explanation
which follows, is δύο δὲ καθαρμῶν.
18. ἐγγιγνόμενον] Sc. ἐν ψυχῇ.
λεχθὲν διχῇ Ρ- 227.4)!
4
Ῥ- 228.
Hp. 228.
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΊΤΗΣ. 40
ΞΕ. Nooov ἴσως καὶ στάσιν οὐ ταὐτὸν νενό-
μικας.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδ᾽ αὖ πρὸς τοῦτο ἔχω τί χρή με ἀπο-
κρίνασθαι.
ΞΕ. Πότερον ἄλλο τι στάσιν ἡγούμενος ἢ τὴν 5
τοῦ φύσει ξυγγενοῦς ἔκ τινος διαφορᾶς διαφθοράν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδέν.
HE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ αἶσχος ἄλλο τι πλὴν τὸ τῆς ἀμετρίας
πανταχοῦ δυσειδὲς ὃν γένος :
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδαμῶς ἄλλο.
EE. Τί δέ; ἐν ψυχῇ δόξας ἐπιθυμίαις καὶ θυμὸν
Ιο
ἡδοναῖς καὶ λόγον λύπαις καὶ πάντα ἀλλήλοις ταῦτα
τῶν φλαύρως ἐχόντων οὐκ ἠσθήμεθα διαφερόμενα;
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ σφόδρα γε.
EE. Zuyyevn γε μὴν ἐξ ἀνάγκης ξύμπαντα yeé-15
yovev.
OEAI. [as yap ov;
“, ,ὔ Tas a
SE. Στάσιν apa καὶ νόσον τῆς ψυχῆς πονηρίαν
λέγοντες ὀρθῶς ἐροῦμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Ορθότατα μὲν οὖν.
20
— aN “ 7, ,
e ΡΠ. Τί δ᾽; ὅσα κινήσεως μετασχόντα καὶ σκο-
3. Οὐδ᾽ αὖ] Referring to οὐκ
ἔμαθον supr.
6. ἔκ τινος διαφορᾶς διαφθοράν]
This is the MS. reading: that
of Cornarius, taken from a
quotation of this passage by
Galen, διαφθορᾶς διαφοράν, being
supported only by a correction
in Par. F. The object is to
shew that sedition is a disease ;
and it is more natural to speak
of disease as a dissolution or
decay of kindred elements in
consequence of some dissen-
sion amongst them, than as a
dissension arising from some
decay.
11. δόξας ἐπιθυμίαις «.7.d.] Cf.
Rep. 4, 439; 440.
12. λόγον λύπαις] Cf. Rep. 3,
387, 388.
13. τῶν φλαύρως ἐχόντων] These
words are an afterthought, and
are placed in immediate con-
struction with ταῦτα (viz. δοξ.
ἐπ. θυμ. 75. Noy. λυπ.). πονηρία
appeared above as a general
word, but is here used with
a special meaning, as distin-
guished from ἀμαθία,
Vice is
analogous
to disease,
and both
are similar
to civil
war. For
each is a
corruption
of kindred
elements
arising
from some
dissension.
lonorance
is a kind of
deformity,
and may
be com-
pared to
the bodily
state, in
which the 5
movements
of different
members
are inhar-
monious
and fail of
accom-
plishing
their end. 10
50 MAATOQNO®
/ / / / ’ὔ
Tov τινα θέμενα, πειρώμενα τούτου τυγχάνειν, καθ᾽ γ. 228. ἢ
ε , ε \ ΄ὕ > ΞΞ ,
ἑκάστην ὁρμὴν παράφορα αὐτοῦ γίγνεται καὶ ἀπο-
’
τυγχάνει,
r Ν
τὴς προς
πασχειν:
ΘΒΕΑΙ.
/ > \ / c \ if
πότερον αὐτὰ φήσομεν ὑπὸ συμμετρίας
ΕΣ Δ > / « \ > / ᾽ \
αἀλληλὰ ἢ τοὐναντίον ὑπὸ ἀμετρίας αὐτὰ
Δῆλον ὡς ὑπὸ ἀμετρίας.
\ / > 3, cal
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν ψυχὴν ye ἴσμεν ἄκουσαν πᾶσαν
a 3 lal
παν αἀγνοουσαν.
OEAI. Σφόδρα γε.
/ Χ » a > e
HE. To ye μὴν ἀγνοεῖν ἐστιν ἐπ᾿ ἀλήθειαν oppo-
μένης ψυχῆς, παραφόρου ξυνέσεως γιγνομένης, οὐδὲν
ἄλλο πλὴν παραφροσύνη.
BEAT. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
τ. πειρώμενα!] The omission
of this word in the Bodleian
MS. is probably due to the
ὁμοιοτέλευτον οἵ θέμενα.
2. παράφορα αὐτοῦ] Sc. τοῦ
σκόπου, “swerving from the
mark.”
In Tim. 87 e (where the
word παραφορότης is used) the
same connexion is noticed be-
tween irregularity of action
and disproportion of parts.
4. αὐτὰ πάσχειν] “ Are thus
affected.” For the neut. plur.,
ef. Theet. 207 6, and note.
Compare Ar. Eth. Nic. I. 13:
ἀτεχνῶς yap καθάπερ τὰ παραλε-
λυμένα τοῦ σώματος μέρη εἰς τὰ
δεξιὰ προαιρουμένου κινῆσαι τοὐ-
ναντίον εἰς τὰ ἀριστερὰ παραφέ-
ρεται, καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς ψυχῆς οὕτως"
ἐπὶ τἀναντία γὰρ αἱ ὁρμαὶ τῶν
ἀκρατῶν᾽ ἀλλ᾽ ἐν τοῖς σώμασι μὲν
ὁρῶμεν τὸ παραφερόμενον, ἐπὶ δὲ
τῆς ψυχῆς οὐχ ὁρῶμεν. But
what Aristotle thus describes
approaches more nearly to
what Plato here ealls στάσις
τῆς ψυχῆς.
. ψυχήν γε --- ἀγνοοῦσαν |
This is emphatically the na-
ture of “soul” or “ mind”—
according to the well-known
Socratic or Platonic principle,
which remains unaltered in
the Laws. See Legg. 9, 860 d:
ως Ol KAKOL παντες ELS TAVTA ELOLVY
ἄκοντες κακοί.
II. παραφόρου ξυνέσεως] An
etymological analysis, in the
Cratylus vein, of παραφρο-
Cf. Legg. 6, 775 d:
παράφορος---ὁ μεθύων.
παραφόρου συνέσεως γιγνο-
μένης (ψυχῆς) “ And what is
ignorance, but the aberration of
a mind which is bent on truth
but swerves aside from under-
standing ?” The gen. συνέσεως
is governed by παραφόρου.
which agrees with Ψυχῆς. For
this interpretation we are in-
debted to the acumen of Hein-
dorf.
,
συνη.
πον, “- τς
ZOPISTHY. a
3, > / ’ \ Ν ᾽
Ρ.228. FE. Ψυχὴν ἄρα ἀνόητον αἰσχρὰν καὶ ἄμετρον
θετέον.
ΘΕΑΙ. "Eorkev.
3, a a >
BE. Ἔστι δὴ δύο ταῦτα, ws φαίνεται, κακῶν ἐν
» ΄ / ‘ / c Ν coat
αὐτῇ γένη, TO μὲν πονηρία καλούμενον ὑπὸ τῶν
an / > “-“ 3,
πολλῶν, νόσος αὐτῆς σαφέστατα Ov.
OEAI. Ναί.
BE. Τὸ δέ ye ἀγνοιαν μὲν καλοῦσι, κακίαν δὲ
SEN a / / 5 / €
αὐτὸ ἐν ψυχῇ μόνον γιγνόμενον οὐκ ἐθέλουσιν ὁμο-
λογεῖν.
Ξ ἃ π᾿ \
e OEAI. Κομιδῇ συγχωρητέον, ὃ νῦν δὴ λέξαντος
> 7 ΄ χ , 3 ΄ , » >
nupeyvonaa σου, TO δύο εἶναι γένη κακίας ἐν ψυχῇ:
Ν / \ Ν 3 / SO / ,
καὶ δειλίαν μὲν καὶ ἀκολασίαν καὶ ἀδικίαν ξύμπαντα
3 UZ 7 > «ς lad \ \ ὍΝ ἊΝ \
nynTEOV νόσον ἐν ἡμῖν, TO δὲ τῆς πολλῆς καὶ παντο-
δαπῆς ἀγνοίας πάθος αἶσχος θετέον.
EE. Οὐκοῦν ἐν σώματί γε περὶ δύο παθήματε
/ , 4 \ ’ ,
τούτω dvo τέχνα τινε ἐγενέσθην ;
ΘΈΑΙ. Τώε τούτω:
aE Π ἣν \ 5 f Ν δὲ /
mut. Liepl μὲν αἰσχος γυμναστικὴ. περι OE νοσον
΄
ἰατρικὴ.
CEAI. PaivecOov.
- \
EE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ περὶ μὲν ὕβριν καὶ ἀδικίαν καὶ
8. καλοῦσιν --- οὐκ ἐθέλουσι]
Se. οἱ πολλοί from τῶν πολλῶν
supra.
9. ev Ψυχῇ μόνον γιγνόμενον]
I. 6. When mental is not com-
bined with bodily deformity :
for the converse of which see
Rep. 3, 402 6: or ἐν ψυχῇ
μόνον, “only in the soul,” as
if that was a matter of less
consequence. Stallb.’s inter-
pretation, “eam esse eximie
(μόνον) in animo pravitatem,”
H
(cf. Symp. 215 6) requires γί-
γνεσθαι. For the omission of
εἶναι, cf. infr. 246 e: τοῦτο δὲ
ov σῶμα ἔμψυχον ὁμολογοῦσιν.
13. ξύμπαντα]! Stallb. adds
ταῦτα from C.F. b,c, unnecessa-
rily. For πάθος, infr., cf. Theet.
193 d: τὸ τῆς δόξης πάθος.
16. περὶ δύο παθήματε] Cf.
Phedr. 261 ὃ: περὶ πάντα τὰ
λεγόμενα μία τις τέχνη.
22. Οὐκοῦν καὶ] “And in like
manner.”
2)
a
As gym-
nastic
20 counter-
acts defor-
mity, and
medicine
disease, so
there is
chastise-
ment for
the cure of
vice, and
instruction
to remedy
the more
latent evil.
_enumerated
52
δειλίαν ἡ κολαστικὴ πέφυκε τεχνῶν μάλιστα δὴ p. 229.
ΠΛΑΤΌΝΟΣ
΄ / /
πασῶν προσήκουσα | OiKnt :
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ γοῦν εἰκός, ὡς εἰπεῖν κατὰ τὴν ἀνθρω-
πίνην δόξαν.
EE. Τί δέ; περὶ ξύμπασαν ἄγνοιαν μῶν ἄλλην
\ x \ 3 / 7 ”
τινὰ ἢ διδασκαλικὴν ὀρθότερον εἴποι τις ἀν;
ΘΈΑΙ. Οὐδεμίαν.
EE. Φέρε δή: διδασκαλικῆς δὲ apa ἕν μόνον
/ , 3 x 7, ΄ ΄ὔ >, κ 53
γένος φατέον εἶναι ἢ πλείω, δυο δέ τινε αὐτῆς εἶναι
/ ,ὔ
τὸ μέγίστω, OKOTTEL.
ΘΈΑΙ. Σκοπῶ.
EE. Καί μοι δοκοῦμεν τῇδε av πῃ τάχιστα εὑρεῖν.
ΟΠ, ἡἣ κολαστικὴ---- [δίκη ] The
position of δίκη in the sentence
-inay be paralleled from many
similar inversions in this and
other dialogues. Many of
Plato’s rhythmical sentences
end purposely with a dissyl-
able, which is often sepa-
rated from the natural con-
nexion. And δίκη is similarly
amongst other
arts, including medicine, in
Gorg. 478 b, ὁ: Χρηματιστικὴ
μὲν πενίας ἀπαλλάττει, ἰατρικὴ
δὲ νόσου, δίκη δὲ ἀκολασίας καὶ
ἀδικίας. —— τί οὖν τούτων κάλ-
λιστόν ἐστιν.--- χρηματιστικῆς, ἰα-
τρικῆς, δίκης ; πολὺ διαφέρει, ὦ
Σώκρατες, ἡ δίκη. ΤΌ. infr.: ἰα-
τρικὴ γίγνεται πονηρίας ἡ δίκη.
The addition of κολαστικὴ in
the present passage is, how-
ever, curious: for it is not
clear from what other kind of
justice corrective justice is
here distinguished. I there-
fore venture to suggest the
very slight correction δίκῃ,
which is in some degree con-
firmed by the frequency of
tragic expressions in these
dialogues. Cf. Soph. Electr.
70: σοῦ yap ἔρχομαι δίκῃ Kabap-
τής. Ant. 94: ἐχθρὰ δὲ τῷ θα-
νόντι πρόσκεισαι δίκη. And see
Pheedr. 278 6: δίκῃ mov ποιη-
Polit. 310 a:
ἐπὶ τούτοις τοῦτ᾽ εἶναι τέχνῃ φάρ-
μακον. Tim. 62 d: οὐκ ἐν δίκῃ
δόξει τὸ μηδὲν προσῆκον ὄνομα
Theztetus’ answer, ὡς
τὴν---προσερεῖς.
λέγειν.
b
γοῦν — δόξαν, is in harmony -
with this. It is not probable
that δίκη is a marginal note,
since, except in the passage of
the Gorgias above quoted, the
term is hardly used with the
precise meaning given to κολα-
στική here. The word is un-
accentuated in the Bodl. MS.
Compare the political appli-
cation of the idea of καθαρμὸς
already noticed in Legg. 5, 735
and Polit. 293.
9. ἢ πλείω, δύο δὲ] Cf. Rep.
4, 445 α: ἄπειρα δὲ τῆς κακίας
(εἴδη), τέτταρα δ᾽ ἐν αὐτοῖς ἅττα
ὧν καὶ ἄξιον ἐπιμνησθῆναι.
[}».220.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Mi;
μ- Ν » 100 v \ / par
HE. Τὴν ayvoiay ἰδόντες εἰ πῃ κατὰ μέσον αὑτῆς
τομὴν ἔχει τινά. διπλῆ γὰρ αὕτη γιγνομένη δῆλον
“ Ν \ Ν 7 > 75 / yy
OTL καὶ τὴν διδασκαλικὴν OVO ἀναγκάζει μόρια ἔχειν,
a 3 οὶ \ / “ ᾽ “ c /
εν ἐφ ενι γένει τῶν AUTNS εἐκᾶάτέρῳ.
3. τομὴν ἔχει τινὰ] Cf. Lege.
12, 944 b: σχεδὸν οὖν ἐν
τοῖς ὀνείδεσιν ἔχει τινὰ τομὴν 7
ἐπιφορά.
ῥίψασπις μὲν γὰρ οὐκ ἐν πᾶσιν
ὀνομάζοιτ᾽ ἂν δικαίως, ἀποβολεὺς
δὲ ὅπλων.
διπλῆ γὰρ αὕτη γιγνομένη |
Cf. Gorg. 464 Ὁ: Δυοῖν ὄντοιν
τοῖν πραγμάτοιν δύο λέγω τέχνας
κιτ.λ.
The meaning of pp. 226--
231 may be thus stated: The
Sophist professes to be an edu-
cator ; and the highest form
of education is that which
leads men to know them-
selves, and liberates them from
the conceit of knowledge: in
other words, the elenchus, or
cross-questioning method. This
, ΄
τούτων τῶν ὀνομάτων
is distinguished from the an-
tiquated mode of correction
by direct reproof, and also
from the positive instruction
which is given to those who
are consciously ignorant of any
subject. There is grave doubt
whether the Sophist deserves
to be called an educator in this
highest sense: but the honour
is yielded to him for the pre-
sent, with the feeling that he
will not retain it long. The
serious thought, that educa-
tion is the purification of the
mind through the separation
of the false from the true, is
approached ironically through
the trivial example of house-
hold processes, and also through
the following distinctions :
Separation
fees
Of like from like Of good from evil = Purification
ane
a
Corporeal Mental
(and mental evils are)
τ- Scar eer ery
ἘΠ (aos) ΤῊΣ ΠΣ )
[ἢ νόσος ὑπ ἀμετρία
———
ἄλλα μέρη ἀμαθίας
ΒΗ
A ‘ /
τὸ μὴ κατειδότα
ae τις
τι δοκεῖν εἰδέναι.
Hence instruction is
=
δημιουργικαὶ διδασκαλίαι
=
-
παιδεία
=
νουθετητικὴ
ἔλεγχος,
3ut ignor-
ance, and
therefore
instruction
also, is two-
fold: the
more un-
manage-
able kind
being stu-
pidity, or
that ignor-
ance which
the mind
mistakes
for know-
ledge.
54
MAATOQNOS
|
|
OEAI. Ti οὖν; καταφανές πῇ σοι τὸ viv ζητού- Ρ- 229.
μενον ;
EE. ᾿Αγνοίας δ᾽ οὖν μέγα τί μοι δοκῶ καὶ χαλε- ὁ
Ν ᾽ ΄, Cas 5 a a ” ΓΤ ΣΝ
TOV ἀφωρισμένον ὁρᾷν εἰδος, πᾶσι τοῖς ἄλλοις αὐτῆς
/ /
5 ἀντίσταθμον μέρεσιν.
ΘΕΙ͂Α. Ποῖον δή:
ΞῈ. Τὸ μὴ κατειδότα τι δοκεῖν εἰδέναι: de οὗ
’ fa “ /
κινδυνεύει πάντα ὅσα διανοίᾳ σφαλλόμεθα γίγνεσθαι
πᾶσιν.
10 EAT. ᾿Αλλ.
Ee K Ν δὴ Ν / 3 {/ ΄σ > /
yi. αι On και TOUT γε οἰμαι μονῷ τὴς uyvolas
ἀμαθία τοὔνομα προσρηθῆναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. avy γε.
EE. Τί δὲ δὴ τῷ τῆς διδασκαλικῆς ἄρα μέρει τῷ
A , /
τ τοῦτο amaAAaTTovTL λεκτέον ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οἶμαι μὲν οὖν, ὦ ξένε, τὸ μὲν ἄλλο δημι-
3. ᾿Αγνοίας δ᾽ οὖν] Badham:
““᾿Αγνοίας γ᾽ οὖν legendum : est
enim responsio aliqua ex parte
assentientis.” So also the old
editions. The words as they
stand certainly take no account
of the question, but continue
the previous speech.
5. ἀντίσταθμον]) “ Which may
be weighed against all the
other parts of ignorance put
together.” The word belongs
to tragedy. Cf. Soph. El. 561:
ὡς ---- ἀντίσταθμον τοῦ θηρὸς ἐκ-
θύσειε τὴν αὑτοῦ κόρην. For
χαλεπὸν = difficult to handle,
ef. Symp. 204 a: αὐτὸ γὰρ
τοῦτο χαλεπόν ἐστιν ἡ ἀμαθία.
7. VO μὴ κατειδότα τι δοκεῖν
εἰδέναι] See, amongst other
places where the ignorant
conceit of knowledge is dis-
tinguished from conscious ig-
norance, Phil. 48 d,e; Legg. 9,
860d; 863 ¢; 10,886b; Symp.
l.e.; Pheedr. 275 b. Ale. 118 a:
αὕτη ἄρ᾽ ἡ ἄγνοια τῶν κακῶν αἰτία
καὶ ἡ ἐπονείδιστος ἀμαθία.
δι’ οὗ πάντα----πᾶσιν] Because
men never act without think-
ing they know.
8. πάντα ὅσα σφαλλόμεθα =
πάντα τὰ γιγνόμενα ἡμῖν σφάλ-
ματα. Cf. supr. 2206 6: éca—
καθαίρεται, and note.
11. μόνῳ] Badham conjectures
μορίῳ, but μόνῳ has more point.
“This alone earns the title of
stupidity.” Cf. Symp. 222 a:
νοῦν ἔχοντας---μόνους τῶν λόγων.
14. Ti—exréov] Se. ὄνομα.
16. τὸ μὲν ἀλλο---διδασκαλίας]
“The part which is separated
from this includes instruction
in various handicrafts.” A simi-
lar division is made in Phileb.
d
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ:
Ρ. 229. ουργικὰς διδασκαλίας, τοῦτο δὲ ἐνθάδε γε παιδείαν δι
ἡμῶν κεκλῆσθαι.
55
,
ΞΕ, Καὶ yap σχεδόν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ἐν πᾶσιν “EA-
» \ A c ΄ ΕΣ a fy >
Anow. ἀλλὰ yap ἡμῖν ETL καὶ τοῦτο σκεπτέον, εἰ
JA 7 > Ν a ΕΣ yA / , /
ἄτομον ἤδη ἐστὶ πᾶν, ἢ τινα €XOV διαίρεσιν ἀξίαν 5
» /
ἐπωνυμίας.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐκοῦν χρὴ σκοπεῖν.
EE. Δοκεῖ τοίνυν μοι καὶ τοῦτο ἔτι πῃ σχίζεσθαι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Κατὰ τί:
EE. Τῆς ἐν τοῖς λόγοις διδασκαλικῆς ἡ μὲν τρα-
/ vy c Ν 53 Ν so n ,ὔ
χυτέρα τις ἔοικεν ὁδὸς εἶναι, τὸ δ᾽ ἕτερον αὐτῆς μό-
/
ριον λειοτερον.
ΘΕΑΙ. To ποῖον δὴ τούτων ἑκάτερον λέγωμεν;
μ- \ \ > 7 ΄ @ \
HE. To μεν ἀρχαιοπρεπές τι πάτριον, ᾧ προς
556: οὐκοῦν ἡμῖν τὸ pev — δη-
μιουργικόν ἐστι τῆς περὶ τὰ μαθή-
ματα ἐπιστήμης, τὸ δὲ περὶ παι-
δείαν καὶ τροφήν ; Cf. also Protag.
322 b, where δημιουργικὴ is op-
posed to πολιτική.
1. παιδεία") The idea of
education in the higher sense
is due to Greek philosophy :
appearing first in the saying
attributed to several of the
early thinkers, πολυμαθίη νόον
ov διδάσκει.
δ ἡμῶν] “ By our means.”
I. 6. The use of the word by
the Athenians has given it
currency throughout this part
of Greece: ‘a nobis (Athe-
niensibus) nominis hujus auc-
toribus.”—Heindorf. *
5. πᾶν] Cf. Parmen. Fr. 61:
ov mor ἔην οὐδ᾽ ἔσται, ἐπεὶ νῦν
ἔστιν ὁμοῦ πᾶν, ἕν ξυνεχές. 1. 6.
whether we have reached the
ἄτμητον εἴδος.
8. καὶ τοῦτο ἔτι πῃ σχίζεσθαι]
“This, like the rest, admits
of being divided somewhere.”
The words καὶ τοῦτο ἔτι are in
exact keeping with ἤδη πᾶν
supr. Cf.supr.222¢. Hermann’s
conjecture, κατὰ τοῦτο, is wn-
necessary and awkward, be-
cause anticipating the ques-
tion, and because τοῦτο has
no antecedent.
10. Τῆς ---διδασκαλικῆς] παιδεία
is assumed to be equivalent to
ἡ ἐν τοῖς λόγοις διδασκαλική.
ἡ μὲν --- 650s] Cf. Aristoph.
Ran. sub. init.
13. λέγωμεν] Stallb. λέγομεν,
from Z1.i: perhaps rightly.
14. Td pev—orehrovrar]| “ The
one a time-honoured ancestral
mode, which men used chiefly
towards their sons, and many
still do so when they see them
fallen into some error, either
speaking roughly to them, or
else more softly expostulating :
which varieties may be cor-
The art
which
removes
this has the
peculiarly
Greek
name of
Παιδεία----
Education.
Of which
there are
two modes
recognized:
the old-
fashioned
admonitory
system
of moral
training,
and an-
other which
may be
56
\ cn , 5 is / τον Ν sf
TOUS υἱεῖς μάλιστ᾽ ἐχρωντὸ TE καὶ ETL πολλοὶ χρῶνται p. 229)
\ fal “ ᾽ -“ »" 7 / \ \
τὰ VUV, OTAV AUTOLS EEAUAPTAVWOL τι, TA μεν χαλε- p. 230
ITAATQNOZ
/ \ \ / / ‘
παίνοντες, TA δὲ μαλθακωτέρως παραμυθούμενοι" τὸ
> 5 7 NP) / 7 δ
δ᾽ οὖν ξύμπαν αὐτὸ ὀρθοτατα εἰποι τις ἂν νουθετη-
‘
5 TUK).
SEAI. Ἔστιν οὕτως.
EE. Τὸ δέ γε, [ὡς] εἴξασί τινες αὖ λόγον ἑαυτοῖς
rectly included in the general
name of admonition.”
True
“ Now for the other method.
It would seem that some had
reflected with themselves that
stupidity is always involun-
tary, and that no one who
thinks himself wise will ever
care to be a learner of those
matters in which he fancies
himself to be accomplished :
moreover, that education in
the form of admonition spends
a world of labour with but
small result.”
“ And they were right.”
“ Therefore they address
themselves differently to the
task of exorcising this con-
ceit.”
The two modes of correc-
tion may be compared with
the two kinds of legislation
(with and without explanation
and persuasion) mentioned in
the Laws, of which the former
is there preferred: see esp.
Legg. 4,720 sqq. So far was
Plato from reversing his judg-
ment, as Mr. Grote (vol. iii. p.
355, note on p. 354) supposes,
respecting the νουθετητικὸν εἶδος
τῆς παιδείας, which Protagoras
advocates, Prot. 325d: καὶ ἐὰν
μὲν ἑκὼν πείθηται, --- εἰ δὲ μή,
ὥσπερ ξύλον διεστραμμένον καὶ
καμπτόμενον εὐθύνουσιν ἀπειλαῖς
καὶ πληγαῖς.
(14.) ἀρχαιοπρεπές τι πάτριον]
A tragic expression; οἵ, Aesch.
Prom. 409: μεγαλοσχήμονα τ᾽ dp-
χαιοπρεπῆ---τίμαν, where two ad-
jectives are similarly combined.
2. ὅταν avrois] Cf. Rep. 1,
343 a: ὅς ye αὐτῇ οὔτε πρό-
βατα οὔτε ποιμένα γιγνώσκεις.
7. Τὸ δέ ye] The Bodleian,
in common with most of the
MSS., omits ὡς (before εἴξασι),
which is not necessary, and if
inserted will hardly affect
the sense, for ὡς εἴξασιν ἡγη-
σασθαι is equivalent to ἡγή-
σαντο, ὡς εἴξασι. Cf. infr. 263 d:
ὡς ἔοικε--- γίγνεσθαι, and note.
The introduction of a sentence
with τὸ δὲ out of construction,
or rather in apposition, is very
frequent in Plato, and scarcely
needs illustration. Compare,
however, Polit. 263 ὁ: τὸ δέ
ye, ὦ πάντων ἀνδρειότατε, τάχ᾽
ἂν, εἴ που φρόνιμόν ἐστί τι ζῶον
ἕτερον, οἷον δοκεῖ τὸ τῶν γε-
ράνων, ἤ τι τοιοῦτον ἄλλο, κατὰ
ταὐτὰ ἴσως διονομάζοι. If ὡς
is retained, which is perhaps
better on the whole, ὡς εἴξασί
τινες ἡγήσασθαι κιτ.λ. IS equi-
valent to ἡγησάμενοί τινες, ὡς
εἴξασι ---- στέλλονται.
λόγον ἑαυτοῖς δόντες] “ On re-
flection.” Cf. Hdt. I. 34: Ὃ &
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 57
, ¢ , ΡΞ ’ 3 ‘
p. 230. δόντες ἡγήσασθαι πᾶσαν ἀκούσιον ἀμαθίαν εἶναι, καὶ
a > / “Ὁ Ν sv 53
μαθεῖν οὐδέν ποτ᾽ ἂν ἐθέλειν τὸν οἰόμενον εἰναι
\ ΄ Ὁ 7 ΄ Ν ΗΑ \ δὲ
σοῴον τούτων ὧν οἴοιτο πέρι δεινὸς εἶναι, μετὰ δὲ
A ΄ \ \ - A /
πολλοῦ πόνου TO νουθετητικὸν Eidos τῆς παιδείας
Ν /
σμικρὸν avureww.
ΘΈΑΙ. ᾿Ορθῶς γε νομίζοντες.
HE. To τοι ταύτης τῆς δόξης ἐπὶ ἐκβολὴν ἄλλῳ
΄ ip
τρόπῳ στέλλονται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Tix δή:
μ-| “ e x ͵ / ͵ , ’
BE. Διερωτῶσιν ὧν ἂν οἰἴηταί τίς τι πέρι λέγειν
λέγων μηδέν: εἶθ᾽ ἅτε πλανωμένων τὰς δόξας ῥᾳδίως
35 i4 Ν / ἊΝ lad , > 3 aN
ἐξετάζουσι, και συνάγοντες δὴ TOL Aoyous εἰς TAUTOV
/ / \ > ΄
τιθέασι παρ᾽ ἀλλήλας, τιθέντες δὲ ἐπιδεικνύουσιν
3 \ « a “ Ν a > ΄σ Ν \ > Ν
QUTAS αὐταῖς αμὰ TEpt τῶν αὐτῶν προς TH αὐτὰ
ἐπειδὴ ἐξηγέρθη καὶ λόγον ἑαυτῷ
ἔδωκε, κατορρωδήσας τὸν ὄνειρον
ἄγεται τῷ παιδὶ γυναῖκα. Soph.
Cid. Rex. 583: Οὐκ, εἰ διδοίης
γ᾽, ὡς ἐγώ, σαυτῷ λόγον.
2. οὐδέν mor ἂν ἐθέλειν] So
Bodl. ΔΠΙ., Stallbaum. Edd.
Vet. οὐδέποτε. It deserves
mention that Heindorf had
at one time been led to con-
jecture οὐδέν, because of τού-
tev following, but had after-
wards contented himself with
making depend on
περι.
3. σοφὸν---δεινὸς] Plato iro-
nically uses the words as syno-
nymous. Cf. Theet. 173 b:
δεινοί τε καὶ σοφοὶ γεγονότες, ws
οἴονται. ΤΌ. 177 a: κἂν εἵπωμεν
ὅτι, ἂν μὴ ἀπαλλαγῶσι τῆς δει-
νότητος K.T.A.
μετὰ δὲ πολλοῦ πόνου] This
is the same lesson which
experience has taught to
schoolmasters and others with-
,
Τούτων
in our own memory. But few
of them have found so good
a substitute for the old-
fashioned νουθετητικὴ as the
Socratic elenchus.
7. Te to] Cf. Thest. 179
ἃ : τῷ τοι--μᾶλλον σκεπτέον.
8. στέλλονται] “ Address
themselves.” Στέλλεσθαι is si-
milarly used in Legg. το, 892:
οὐκοῦν τὰ μετὰ ταῦτα ἐπ᾽ αὐτὸ δὴ
τοῦτο στελλώμεθα ; Lh 893 Ὁ,
Phileb. 50 e.
10, Διερωτῶσιν (τι τοὐτωνῚ
περὶ ὧν ἂν τις οἴηται τι λέγειν.
II. πλανωμένων ὅδο. τῶν ἀνθρώ-
πων. Cf. 1 Alcib. 117 a: περὶ
τῶν δικαίων Kat ἀδίκων----ἀποκρινό-
μενός φης πλανᾶσθαι ;
δῆλον ὅτι διὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι περὶ
αὐτῶν, διὰ ταῦτα πλανᾷ; Lys.
214 a.
14. περὶ τῶν αὐτῶν κιτ.λ.] CF.
Rep. 4,436 6: ὥς ποτέ τι τὸ
αὐτὸ ὃν ἅμα κατὰ τὸ αὐτὸ πρὸς τὸ
> >
€lTa OV
> \ > ,ὔ ,ὔ
αὐτὸ τἀναντία πάθοι.
on
10
thus de-
scribed.
Reflecting
that no
man wishes
to be stu-
pid, and
that the
source of
error lies
in the con-
ceit of
wisdom ;
observing,
too, that
the old me-
thod was
laborious
and had
small
result,
there are
some who
address
themselves
differently
to the task
a ae en I na
of getting
rid of this
conceit.
Cross-ques-
tioning
men on
points of
which they
areassured,
they drive
them into
contradic-
58 MAATOQNOZ
\ > \ > / ec ’ . ΄σ id “ \ |
κατα TAVTA EVAVTLAS. οι ὃ OPWVTES E€AUTOLS μεν p- 230.
Ν \ \ A e ~ Ν
χαλεπαίνουσι, πρὸς δὲ τοὺς ἄλλους ἡμεροῦνται, καὶ
/ \\ ΄σ / ΄- Ν » \ / Ν
τούτῳ δὴ τῷ τρόπῳ τῶν περὶ αὐτοὺς μεγάλων καὶ
la fen 7 a
σκληρῶν So&av ἀπαλλάττονται πασῶν τε ἀπαλλα-
γιγνομένην. νομίζοντες γάρ, @
1. ὁρῶντες] Se. τὸ ἐπιδεικνύο-
μενον.
ἑαυτοῖς μὲν χαλεπαίνουσι] Cf.
Thet. 168 a:
σονται κιτιλ.
2. πρὸς δὲ τοὺς ἄλλους ἡμ.7
Cf, Theeet. 210: ἧττον ἔσει βαρὺς
τοῖς συνοῦσι καὶ ἡμερώτερος, σω-
6. ‘ τὴ ,
εαὐτοὺυς alTla-
φρόνως οὐκ οἰόμενος εἰδέναι ὃ μὴ
οἶσθα.
3. τῶν περὶ αὐτοὺς] “ Which
encompass them.” The same
expression might be used of a
disease, or of unwholesome hu-
mours. Perhaps αὑτοὺς should
be read. The Bodl. (ut szepe)
has no breathing.
4. σκληρῶν] “ Stiff,’ “un-
bending,” “unyielding.” Cf.
Crat. 487 d: τὸ σκληρόν τε καὶ
ἀμετάστροφον, ὃ δὴ ἄρρατον κα-
λεῖται. Charm. 175 d: οὕτως
ἡμῶν εὐηθικῶν τυχοῦσα ἡ ζήτησις
καὶ οὐ σκληρῶν. Theet. 155 6:
σκληρούς γε λέγεις καὶ ἀντιτύπους
ἀνθρώπους.
πασῶν τε ἀπαλλαγῶν ἀκούειν
[τε]ἡδίστην] TheVat.alone rejects
the second re. If this is fol-
lowed, the displacement of re
may be defended from Rep. 9,
572 a, Phedr. 269 6. For the
cogn. accus., cf. Rep. 6, 496 e.
5. βεβαιότατα γιγνομένην] Cf.
Legg. 2, 665 6: καλὸν ἡ ἀλή-
θεια καὶ μόνιμον.
6. νομίζοντες γὰρὶ The con-
struction of this sentence is
broken off by the introduction
an > / « 7 Ν lal ’ 7
5γῶν ἀκούειν [τε] ἡδίστην καὶ τῷ πάσχοντι βεβαιοτατα
5)
mat φίλε, οἱ καθαί-
and application of the simile,
as in Phileb. 58 ¢: ἢ δ᾽ εἶπον
—eiropev. Rep. 3, 402 b, 6.
Thezt. 197 c, alib. The idea
of νομίζοντες is then resumed in
the finite verb διενοήθησαν, and
the apodosis is postponed, or
rather is absorbed into the sub-
ordinate clause πρὶν ἄν τις--πλείω
δὲ μή. By a kind of attraction
the latter part of the sentence
follows the analogy of the ὥσπερ
clause. For ἀκούειν ἡδίστην, cf.
Apol. 23 ¢: of νέοι---αὐτόματοι
χαίρουσιν ἀκούοντες ἐξεταζομένων
τῶν ἀνθρώπων, The regularity
of the sentence might be re-
stored thus: ταὐτὸν διανοηθέντες
€keiv0l,—kaTagTnoavTes,—e&ehov-
Tes,— καθαρὸν ἀπέφηναν k.T.D.
“ For such, dear youth, are the
thoughts of their purifiers. Just
as the physicians of the body
think (νενομίκασι, frequentative
perfect) that a body cannot
profit by the food received, until
the obstructing matters are cast
forth, in like manner these
reason about the mind, that it
will never obtain benefit from
the learning which it receives,
until, by cross-examination,
the person cross-examined be
put to shame ; and a riddance
being made of the notions
which obstruct learning, the
man is purged, and thinks he
knows no more than what he
really knows.”
ΣΟΦΕΣΤΗΙΣ. 59
> /, a ΄ \ / » 4
Pp. 230. ροντες αὐτοὺς, ὠσπέερ OL περὶ τὰ σώματα ιατροὶ
/ \ / a cal ,
νενομίκασι μὴ πρότερον ἂν τῆς προσφερομένης τρο-
“Ὁ > / / a s » \ 3 /
φῆς ἀπολαύειν δύνασθαι σῶμα, πρὶν av τὰ ἐμποδί-
ζντα ἐν αὐτῷ κβάλ ITC ὶ ὶ ψυχῆ
αὐτῷ τις ἐκβάλῃ, ταὐτὸν καὶ περὶ ψυχῆς
/ - \ Α \ “ “-“
διενοήθησαν ἐκεῖνοι, μὴ πρότερον αὐτὴν ἕξειν τῶν 5
/ ΄ Μἷ Ἂ ᾽ ,
προσφερομένων μαθημάτων ovnow, πρὶν av ἐλέγχων
Χ 3 ΄, > > / / \
τις τὸν ἐλεγχόμενον εἰς αἰσχύνην καταστησας, τὰς
- , / / Ν
τοῖς μαθήμασιν ἐμποδίους δόξας ἐξελών, καθαρὸν
» ᾿ A « 7 “ Ss , /
ἀποφήνῃ Kal ταῦτα ἡγούμενον, ἅπερ οἶδεν, εἰδέναι
/ / \ /
μονα, πλείω δὲ μη. 10
OEAI. Βελτίστη γοῦν καὶ σωφρονεστάτη τῶν
ἢ
χὰ oS
ἕξεων αὕτη.
jm \ = \ ΄, Gun 5 , : N
SE. Ava ταῦτα δὴ παντα ἡμῖν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, Kai
\ yx / € + Z
Tov ἔλεγχον λεκτέον ὡς ἄρα μεγίστη καὶ κυριωτάτη
an 7 Ν / 3
τῶν καθαρσεών ἐστι, καὶ τὸν ἀνέλεγκτον αὖ νομι-τ
/ ΕΝ Ν 7 Χ « / BA \
στέον, av Kal τυγχάνῃ βασιλεὺς ὃ μέγας ὧν, τὰ
/ , + , \ \
μέγιστα ἀκάθαρτον ὀντα, ἀπαίδευτον τε καὶ αἰσχρὸν
, - ἃ / 7
γεγονέναι ταῦτα, a καθαρώτατον καὶ κάλλιστον
ΕΣ Ν x 2:7) > / 3
ἔπρεπε TOV ὄντως ἐσόμενον εὐδαίμονα εἰναι.
σιλεὺς εὐδαίμων.
6. προσφερομένων] The verb
προσφέρειν is more often applied
Lys. 209 e:
> > ΄
Πρὸς Atos, ἢν δ᾽ ἐγώ, τί ἄρα 6
to physic than to diet (Thucyd.
Hee Plato Charm. 157 Ὁ,
Phedr. 270 b), but is conve-
nient here as equally applicable
to food and instruction. Cf.
Legg. 7,809 6: πότερον εἰς ἀκρί-
βειαν τοῦ μαθήματος ἰτέον ---ἢ τὸ
παράπαν οὐδὲ προσοιστέον.
I3—15. καὶ ---- καὶ |
only—but.”
15. τὸν ἀνέλεγκτον] Cf. Apol.
38 a: ὁ ἀνεξέταστος βίος οὐ βιω-
τὸς ἀνθρώπῳ.
16. ἂν καὶ βασιλεὺς ὁ μέγας ἢ]
Compare Theet. 175 ¢: 7 βα-
if
“ Not
μέγας βασιλεύς; κιτ.λ. Euthyd.
274 ἃ: Μακαρίζω dp’ ὑμᾶς ἔγωγε
τοῦ κτήματος πολὺ μᾶλλον ἢ μέ-
γαν βασιλέα τῆς ἀρχῆς. And for
τὰ μέγιστα, in which there is
perhaps a slight allusion to
the greater mysteries, cf. Rep.
6,504 a: ποῖα δὴ λέγεις μαθήματα
μέγιστα κιτιλ. Polit. 301 ἃ.
17. ἀπαίδευτόν τε καὶ αἰσχρὸν]
Since it was proved that ἀμα-
Gia, of which education is the
remedy, is a kind of αἶσχος.
Supr. 228 d.
19. ἔπρεπε] Sc. γεγονέναι.
2
~
or
tions ;
ceiving
which, the
men are
angry with
themselves
and less
disposed
to be con-
tentious
towards
others.
In this
way they
are most
surely re-
lieved by
an opera-
tion, which
it is de-
lightful
to witness,
of the
stubborn
tumors of
self-con-
ceit. For
mental,
like bodily
food, can
do no good
to the sick
man, until
the noxious
obstruc-
tions of
vanity are
removed,
and a
wholesome
state of in-
tellectual
humility
has been
restored.
Thus refu-
tation is
the great-
est of all
purgations:
and even
the Great
King, if he
has not
undergone
this test, is
uneducated
and there-
fore un-
happy.
σι
00
ΠΛΆΤΩΝΟΣ
OEAI. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
am. Te «δέ;
\ , , -“
τους Ταυτῃ χρωμενοῦυς ΤΏ TEXVYN)
p- 230.}}
/ / > \ \ \ ΄σ Ἀ
τίνας φήσομεν; ἐγὼ μὲν γὰρ φοβοῦμαι σοφιστας p. 231.
φάναι.
ΕΗ ΔΙ Tid):
\ a > - ΄ J
aE. Mn μεῖζον αὑτοις προσάπτωμεν γερᾶς.
/ Ν “
ΘΒΑΙ. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν προσέοικε τοιούτῳ τινὶ τὰ νῦν
εἰρημένα.
‘ / 7 « ΄
SE. Kat γὰρ κυνὶ λύκος, ἀγριώτατον ἡμερωτάτῳ.
lal lo i 4 Χ « 7
τοτὸν δὲ ἀσφαλῆ δεῖ πάντων μάλιστα περὶ τὰς ὁμοιό-
> 5 Ν [2 ,
TyTas ἀεὶ ποιεῖσθαι τὴν φυλακήν ὀλισθηρότατον
6. avrois]| Se. τοῖς σοφι-
σταῖς.
7. τοιούτῳ τινὶ τὰ νῦν εἰρημένα]
“The modes of action which
have been described (e.g. the
art of controversy) bear some
resemblance to this purifying
method of education.”
9. Καὶ yap κυνὶ λύκος] Mr.
Grote remarks on this, that
Plato would have objected to
the wolf being placed in the
same genus with the dog. He
would certainly have objected
to class them together as ‘tame’
or ‘wild.’ But he here recog-
nizes the likeness between
them, on which, had it suited
his purpose, he might have
dwelt to the exclusion of the
difference. This illustrates the
unfixed and provisional nature
of Plato’s classification, but
nothing more. Cf. Rep. 5,
454 b, where it is shewn that
differences are no less treacher-
ous than resemblances, except
to those who are able κατ᾽ εἴδη
συνάγειν καὶ διαιρεῖσθαι.
10. τὸν δὲ ἀσφαλῆ] The heed-
ful cautious man—the cha-
racter described in Soph. Cid.
Rex. 616 as ὁ εὐλαβούμενος
πεσεῖν.
περὶ τὰς ὁμοιότητα ]) These
words recal Euclides’ objection
to the argument from ana-
logy. Diog. Laert. II. 107:
τὸν διὰ παραβολῆς λόγον
ἀνήρει, λέγων ἤτοι ἐξ ὁμοίων av-
τὸν ἢ ἐξ ἀνομοίων συνίστασθαι"
καὶ εἰ μὲν ἐξ ὁμοίων, περὶ αὐτὰ
δεῖν μᾶλλον ἢ οἷς ὁμοῖά ἐστιν ἀνα-
στρέφεσθαι, εἰ δὲ ἐξ ἀνομοίων, παρ-
έλκειν τὴν παράθεσιν. Cf. Pheedr.
2062 b,c, 223. Ar. Eth, Nie.
VI. 3, 2: εἰ δεῖ ἀκριβολογεῖ-
σθαι καὶ μὴ ἀκολουθεῖν ταῖς ὁμοι-
ότησι. But Euclides dwelt
merely on the logical weak-
ness of comparisons: Plato
here speaks practically of the
danger which attends their
use. Compare the consciousness
of modern times on the same
point, which some one has ex-
pressed by saying that Analogy
is like a broken reed, good to
point with but not to lean
upon.
\
Kal
|p. 231. γὰρ τὸ γένος.
ZOPISTHS. ΟἹ
χε \ v » Ν ‘
ὅμως δὲ ἐστωσαν' οὐ yap περὶ
σμικρῶν ὅρων τὴν ἀμφισβήτησιν οἴομαι γενήσεσθαι
/ « / e lod ΄
ΤΟΤΕ OTTOTQAY LKAYWS φυλαττωσιν.
OEAI. Οὐκοῦν τό γε εἰκός.
HE. [Ἔστω δὴ διακριτικῆς τέχνης καθαρτική, καθ- 5
as \ ‘ Ν \ / 3 ΄ /
αρτικῆς δὲ TO περὶ ψυχὴν μέρος ἀφωρίσθω, τούτου
δὲ διδασκαλική, διδασκαλικῆς δὲ παιδευτική τῆς δὲ
an € Ν \ 4 / /
παιδευτικῆς ὁ περὶ τὴν μάταιον δοξζοσοφίαν γιγνο-
yf > a ca , / \
μενος ἔλεγχος ev τῷ νῦν oyw παραφανέντι μηδεν
ϑ, Lat 53 > e / /
ἀλλ᾽ ἡμῖν εἶναι λεγέσθω πλὴν ἡ γένει γενναία σοφι- 10
/
OTLKY.
GHAI. Λεγέσθω μέν: ἀπορῶ δὲ ἔγωγε ἤδη διὰ
τὸ πολλὰ πεφάνθαι, τί χρή ποτε ὡς ἀληθῆ λέγοντα
\ or > rn + 3 Ν /
και διισχυριζόμενον εἰπειν OVT@S ELVAL TOV σοφιστὴν.
/ \ a 7 3 na
GE. Eixorws ye ov ἀπορῶν. adda τοι κἀκεῖνον 15
c a \ an yy i ’ lad “ A 57
ηγείσθαι χρὴ νῦν non σφοδρα ἀπορεῖν ὅπῃ ποτε ἔτι
I. ἔστωσαν] Se. σοφισταὶ οἱ
ταύτῃ χρώμενοι τῇ τέχνῃ. ΟἿ.
Men. 92 d: οὗτοι μὲν γάρ, εἰ
σὺ βούλει, ἔστωσαν οἱ σοφισταί.
οὐ γὰρ περὶ σμικρῶν ὅρων
“When they begin thoroughly
to guard their confines, the
contest will be for no trifling
boundary.” I.e. The difference
is great. The name is granted
to them provisionally, with the
warning that they may have to
defend their title hereafter
against the rightful owner. Cf.
Phileb. 56 d: οὐ σμικρὸς ὅρος.
Legg. 11, 916 6: ἢ μείζους ἢ
ἐλάττους ὅρους ἀεὶ δεῖ διασαφεῖν.
Note the false echo in φυλακήν
--- φυλάττωσιν.
8. δοξοσοφίαν] The word oc-
curs in Phileb. 49 a, d, and the
adj. δοξόσοφος in Pheedr. 275 Ὁ.
9. παραφανέντι] “ which has
appeared by a side wind, out
of due course.” This inquiry
did not arise directly out of
the preceding: supr. 226, a, b.
Cf. Theeet. 109 C: δεινότερον
μέντοι πάθος ἄλλο παραφαίνεσθαι
μοι δοκεῖ. Νῦν is to be taken,
ὑπερβάτως, with the participle.
ΤΟ. ἡ γένει γενναία σοφ.] Cf.
Soph. Cid. Rex. 1469: ἴθ᾽ ὦ
γονῇ γενναῖε. Compare the tragic
grandiloquence of Rep.5,454 a:
ἦ γενναία ἡ δύναμις κιτιλ. It is not
meant to distinguish the So-
phist “ of a noble stamp” from
the “ degenerate variety.”
13. ὡς ἀληθῆ λέγοντα] “What
definition of the Sophist one may
assert with entire confidence.”
τό. ἀπορεῖν] There is an allu-
sion to the literal meaning =
ἄνευ πόρου, “ haying no passage
for escape.”
But by
what name
shall the
master of
this art be
called ?
The func-
tions as-
signed to
the Sophist
bear some
relation to
this. And
yet he
seems
scarce
worthy of
so high a
dignity.
Analogies
areslippery
ground,
The savage
wolf wears
some re-
semblance
to the gen-
tle dog.
et us,
however,
grant him
this pro-
visionally,
foreseeing
that he
will have
to fight
hard here-
after for
his claim.
Weare em-
barrassed
with the
number of
our defini-
tions ; the
only com-
fort is that
the So-
phist’s
embarrass-
ment must
be still
greater.
We have
surrounded
him : let us
now close
in upon
him.
have had
glimpses of
him as a
62 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
διαδύσεται τὸν λόγον ὀρθὴ γὰρ ἡ παροιμία, τὸ τὰς p. 231}
c / \ eZ 53 / ΄ 2. QA
ἁπάσας μὴ ῥάᾷδιον εἶναι διαφεύγειν. νῦν οὖν καὶ
tA > / > a
μάλιστα επιθετέον αὐτῷ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καλῶς λέγεις.
ΞΕ, Πρῶτον δὴ στάντες οἷον ἐξαναπνεύσωμεν,
Ν \ « qn 5 \ 7 “ ΕῚ /
καὶ πρὸς ἡμᾶς αὑτοὺς διαλογισώμεθα ἅμα ἀναπαυο-
᾽ὔ e / id 5 « \ 7 lal
μενοι,--φέρε, ὁπόσα ἡμῖν ὃ σοφιστὴς πέφανται. δοκῶ
τῇ 7 Ν an c , /
μὲν yap, TO πρῶτον εὑρέθη νέων καὶ πλουσίων ἐμ-
μισθος θηρευτής.
OEAI. Ναί
HE. To δέ γε δεύτερον ἔμπορός τις περὶ τὰ τῆς
ψυχῆς μαθήματα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ γε.
Αι » a ,
=H. Τρίτον δὲ apa ov περὶ ταὐτὰ ταῦτα κάπηλος
’ὔ
15 ἀνεφάνη 5
OEAI. Nai. καὶ τέταρτόν ye αὐτοπώλης περὶ τὰ
μαθήματα ἡμῖν.
I. τὰς amdoas| Heindorf
supplies λαβὰς, comparing Phi-
leb. 13 d: ἀνιέναι ἐς τὰς ὁμοίας.
But the word διαφεύγειν, and
the whole context, rather sug-
gest the metaphor of a chase.
Some such word as ὅρμας, or
πείρας, would therefore supply
the meaning better.
2. καὶ “ Now therefore is
the very time of all others to
set upon him.” καὶ gives an
emphasis to the clause in op-
position to the previous doubt.
Similar idiomatic uses of καὶ
are Symp. 177 b: τοῦτο μὲν
ἧττον καὶ θαυμαστόν. Lege. 6,
752d: τὰς μὲν οὖν ἄλλας καὶ
βραχύτερον ἔργον.
5. στάντες) Like men who
have been stooping and press-
ing forwards.
ἐξαναπν.] ἐξ seems to im-
ply turning aside from the
pursuit (‘standing out,’ Shak-
speare) for a breathing while.
Compare ἐξανιστάναι.
4. φέρε, ὁπόσα] φέρε, like
ἀμέλει, has become a sort of
particle, and is retained in the
indirect form. Cf. Theet.
190 Ὁ: ὅτι παντὸς μᾶλλον τό
τοι καλὸν αἰσχρόν. Lb. ¢: ὡς παν-
τάπασιν ἄρα k.T.d.
δοκῶ μὲν γὰρ] δοκῶ is here
used parenthetically, like οἴει
in Theet. 147 a. For μὲν, ef.
supr. 230 e, alib.
11. τὰ τῆς ψυχῆς μαθήματα]
A pleonastic expression, sug-
gested by the analogy of ἡ τοῦ
σώματος tpopy. Wid. supr.
224 a.
17. ἡμῖν] Heindorf added jv
p. 231.
e
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ,
63
BE. ᾿Ορθῶς ἐμνημόνευσας. πέμπτον δ᾽ ἐγὼ πει-
7
ράσομαι μνημονεύειν"
τῆς γὰρ ἀγωνιστικῆς περὶ
λόγους ἦν τις ἀθλητής, τὴν ἐριστικὴν τέχνην ἀφωρι-
σμένος.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἦν γὰρ οὖν.
ΞΕ. Τό γε μὴν ἕκτον ἀμφισβητήσιμον μέν, ὅμως
δ᾽ y, > lal ͵ lal > /
ἐθεμεν αὐτῷ συγχωρήσαντες δοζῶν ἐμποδίων μα-
, Ν Ν \ SYoUN 3
θημασι περὶ ψυχὴν καθαρτὴν αὐτὸν εἰναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
μ--ἰ 5 > ἘΠῚ πὶ y 7, A
SE. Ap οὖν ἐννοεῖς, ὅταν ἐπιστήμων τις πολλῶν
/ a \ / / / \
φαίνηται, μίας δὲ TEXVNS OVOMATL TT POO AYOPEVIT AL, TO
from conjecture. But ἡμῖν may
depend on the verbal meaning
of αὐτοπώλης περὶ τὰ μαθήματα.
“ One who sells us learned
wares of his own manufac-
ture.”
2. τῆς ἀγωνιστικῆς περὶ λόγους
ἀθλητής] τῆς ay. is partitive;
and περὶ λόγους is to be joined
with ἀθλητής. “Under the
head of contention he appeared
as a champion in argument.”
3. ἀφωρισμένος] “ Having ap-
propriated to himself.” Perf.
pass. with middle signification.
Cf. infr. 268 sub fin.: τῆς ποιή-
σεως ἀφωρισμένον ἐν λόγοις τὸ
θαυματοποιϊκόν μόριον.
6. Τὸ ἕκτον is nominative
to ἀμφισβητήσιμον ἦν, but must
be again supplied as the ad-
verbial accusative with ἔθεμεν
—eiva, like τὸ πρῶτον εὑρέθη
above. “ His sixth character
was open to dispute, but still
we so far yielded to his claim
that we described him, sixthly,
as a purger of conceits which
obstruct learning in the region
of the mind.”
7. μαθήμασι] The Bodl. MS.,
with A.1., has μάθησιν.
10. ἾΔρ᾽ οὖν ἐννοεῖς ---προσαγο-
ρεύει] “ Do you perceive, then,
that when one who receives
his name from a single art
seems to command various pro-
vinces, this appearance is not
to be trusted, but whoever
has such an impression of any
science is clearly unable to dis-
cern that point of it wherein
these various parts of know-
ledge meet, whence he gives
many names instead of one to
the man who knows them.”
We have had various glimpses
of the Sophist, but have no-
where been able to get a clear
view of him. Why is this?
Because we have not yet seized
the leading principle of his art,
if indeed there be a leading
principle. When we remem-
ber that wrreality is afterwards
proved to be the Sophist’s
principle, the irony of the
present passage becomes ma-
nifest.
11. τὸ φάντασμα τοῦτο] Cf.
on
huntsman,
amerchant,
a shop-
keeper, a
manufac-
turer, a
mental
athlete.
—
But we are
still to seek
for a clear
and con-
sistent
view.
lip:
Transition
to 11.
The notion
of contro-
versy
seemed to
approach
most nearly
to him.
Suppose
we follow
him upon
this track.
04 ΠΙΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
φάντασμα τοῦτο ὡς οὐκ ἐσθ᾽ ὑγιές, ἀλλὰ δῆλον ὡς p. 232:}}
c ’ > Ν / / > / ”
ὁ πάσχων αὐτὸ πρὸς τινα τέχνην οὐ δύναται κατιδεῖν
—
» ΄“ ’ a > A / \ / “ /
EKELVO αὑτῆς, εἰς ὃ παντα TA μαθήματα ταῦτα βλέπει, b
\ Ν σ΄: » , > > ΓΑ Ν ΕΣ » Ἁ
διὸ καὶ πολλοῖς ὀνόμασιν ἀνθ᾽ ἑνὸς τὸν ἐχοντα αὐτὰ
δπροσαγορεύει ;
“- 7
SEAL. Κινδυνεύει τοῦτο ταύτη πῃ μάλιστα πεφυ-
κέναι.
— \ / ς “ “ΩΝ > lad / ΠῚ
EE. Μὴ τοίνυν ἡμεῖς γε αὐτὸ ἐν τῇ ζητήσει δι
» / 7 > > > ’ a “
apylav πάσχωμεν, ἀλλ᾽ ἀναλάβωμεν πρῶτον τῶν
Ν τς A 4 7
τοπερὶ τὸν σοφιστὴν εἰρημένων. EV yap Ti μοι μάλιστα
A 3 XN a
Karepavn αὑτὸν μηνῦον.
Ν ΄
OEAI. To ποῖον ;
Ν οι ΒΩ 9
HE. ᾿Αντιλογικὸν αὐτὸν ἐφαμεν εἶναί που.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
fal 7 A
=e. Ti δ᾽; ov καὶ τῶν ἄλλων αὐτοῦ
/
15 TOUTOU
διδάσκαλον γίγνεσθαι ;
GEAI. Τί μήν ;
EE. Σκοπῶμεν δὴ περὶ τίνος ἄρα καὶ φασὶν οἱ
A at 3 fd e \ / Cages 3
τοιοῦτοι ποιεῖν ἀντιλογικούς. ἡ δὲ σκέψις ἡμῖν ἐξ
Phileb. 57 6: ἐν τούτοις δὲ ap
οὔ τέχνην
φθεγξάμενος, εἰς δόξαν καταστήσας
ὡς μιᾶς, πάλιν ὡς δυοῖν ἐπανερώτᾳ
τινα ὡς ὁμώνυμον
τούτοιν αὐτοῖν K.T.A.
2. 6 πάσχων αὐτὸ πρός τινα]
Le. ᾧ φαίνεται τὸ τοιοῦτο περί
τινος τέχνης. Cf, Ar. Pol. ΤΥ. 7.
5. προσαγορεύει] Sc. ὁ πάσχων
αὐτό.
9. ἀναλάβωμεν πρῶτον] ““ Let
us begin by reviewing some of
our results.” The word is used
absolutely in the same technical
sense in Thest. 187 ¢: *Ap’ οὖν
ἔτ᾽ ἄξιον περὶ δόξης ἀναλαβεῖν
πάλιν; Phileb. 60 d: νῦν ὁστι-
σοῦν ἐπαναλαβὼν ὀρθότερον εἰ-
mato. Hence it is unnecessary
to insert ἕν with Heindorf or
τι with C. et corr. B. πρῶτον
is used adverbially, ut supra :
TP@TOV OLOV σταντες.
18. καὶ gives emphasis to the
question as raising a fresh point
in connexion with the pre-
ceding. They profess to make
men controversialists. Well,
on what subject? Cf. Euthyd.
272 ἃ: ἵνα εἰδῶ, 6 τι καὶ μαθη-
σόμεθα.
19. ἐξ ἀρχῆς ---τῇδέ πῃ) “In
examining this let us take
a comprehensive survey, and
begin as follows.” For ἐξ ἀρ-
xns, cf. Theeet. 180 d.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
65
Ρ. 232. ἀρχῆς ἔστω τῇδέ πῃ. φέρε, περὶ τῶν θείων, ba"
Cc
> fal “- ΄ Gare a Ν a A
ἀφανῆ τοῖς πολλοῖς, ap ἱκανοὺς ποιοῦσι τοῦτο
δρᾷν;
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγεται [γ]οῦν δὴ περὶ αὐτῶν ταῦτα.
A oa a
HE. Ti δ᾽ ὅσα φανερὰ γῆς τε καὶ οὐρανοῦ καὶ 5
lal \ ΄
τῶν περὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα ;
OEAI. Ti yap;
\ N 3, ΄σ ,
BE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν ev ye ταῖς ἰδίαις συνουσίαις,
« , / ’ Ν » / / \ /
OTTOTaVY γενέσεως TE και OQUVOLAS πέρι KATA TAVT@V
/ , 7, ec » 7, > a κ᾿
λέγηταί τι, ξύνισμεν ὡς αὐτοί τε ἀντειπεῖν δεινοὶ
΄ὔ y σ ο “ ᾽ Ν
τοὺς τε ἄλλους ὅτι ποιοῦσιν ἅπερ αὐτοὶ δυνατούς :
/
SEAI. Παντάπασί ye.
EE. Ti δ᾽ αὖ περὶ νόμων καὶ ξυμπάντων τῶν
I. περὶ τῶν θείων] Cf. Rep.
10, 598 6, where the same
thing is said of the poets: καὶ
τά ye θεῖα.
4. youv] The MSS., with
exception of Flor. i, have οὖν.
5. ὅσα φανερά] Ar. Eth. Nie.
VII. 7: ἀνθρώπου ἄλλα πολλὰ
θειότερα τὴν φύσιν, οἷον φανερώ-
τατά γε ἐξ ὧν ὁ κόσμος συνέστηκεν.
The distinction between the
visible and invisible in Divine
things is perhaps the same as in
Tim. 41 a: πάντες ὅσοι τε περι-
πολοῦσι φανερῶς καὶ ὅσοι φαίνον-
ται καθ᾽ ὅσον ἂν ἐθέλωσι θεοί.
Or, possibly, the words ὅσα
ἀφανῆ τοῖς πολλοῖς May suggest
the difference between the or-
dinary and the scientific per-
ception of the heavenly mo-
tions. Cf. Ib. 39 c: τῶν &
ἄλλων τὰς περιόδους οὐκ ἐννενο-
ηκότες ἄνθρώποι, πλὴν ὀλίγοι
τῶν πολλῶν κ.τ.λ.
γῆς τε καὶ οὐρανοῦ] Gen.
of apposition after ἃ neut.
K
plur. adj., like ἄσημα ---- βοῆς
Soph. Ant. 1209.
6. τῶν περὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα! Cf.
Theet. 145 d: περὶ
ἀστρονομίαν τε καὶ ἁρμονίας τε
καὶ λογισμούς.
7. Τί γάρ ;] “ What, indeed 1
yap is the usual formula of
assent, confirming the previous
question: = “ You may well
ask.”
8. ἔν ye ταῖς ἰδίαις συνουσίαις
“In private conversations ”
—Which are the proper sphere
of ἀντιλογικὴ as distinguished
from δικανική, to which refer-
ence is presently made; ef.supr.
225 b. For the limitation
with ye, cf. Theset. 204 d: rav-
τὸν apa, ἔν ye τοῖς ὅσα ἐξ ἀριθμοῦ
ἐστί, τό τε πᾶν προσαγορεύομεν
καὶ τὰ ἅπαντα.
καὶ τῶν
9. περὶ γενέσεως τε καὶ οὐσίας
-- λέγηταί re] “ When any
general statement is made re-
specting the world of tran-
sitional or of absolute Being.”
Hedisputes
and teaches
others to
dispute,
about
things
divine,
mundane,
metaphy-
sical, legal,
political,
and on the
subject
matter of
every
branch of
art. The
Sophist
seems to
have the
power of
disputing
about all
things.
66 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
πολιτικῶν, GP οὐχ ὑπισχνοῦνται ποιεῖν ἀμφισβητὴ- p. 232.
/
TLKOUS :
OEAI. Οὐδεὶς yap av αὐτοῖς, ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν,
/ \ a « 7
διελέγετο μὴ τοῦτο ὑπισχνουμένοις.
ΠῚ 4p \ \ n \ \ ,
μ᾿. a γε μὴν πέρι πάσῶν TE Και κατα μιᾶν
« ’ὔ / ἃ Lal N\ iv4 > Ν Ν
EKAOTHV TEXYNV, α δεῖ TPpOS εκᾶστον AUTOV TOV δημι-
ουργὸν ἀντειπεῖν, δεδημοσιωμένα που καταβέβληται
γεγραμμένα τῷ βουλομένῳ μαθεῖν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὰ Πρωταγόρειά μοι φαίνει περί τε πάλης
Ν ca) yy “ > 4
το Καὶ τῶν ἄλλων τεχνῶν εἰρηκέναι.
~ 3 ΄, τ \
HE. Kai πολλῶν ye, ὦ μακάριε, ἑτέρων. ἀτὰρ
\ Ν rn » a / B59 > > /
δὴ TO τῆς ἀντιλογικῆς τέχνης ap οὐκ ἐν κεφαλαίῳ
’ὔ ΧΝ 9 ΄ ec
περὶ πάντων πρὸς ἀμφισβήτησιν ἱκανή Tis δύναμις
Ε ? 5
εοικ εἰναι:
I. ποιεῖν dud.| In the sphere
of law and justice the Sophist’s
business is rather to enable
men to dispute than himself
to hold controversy.
ἀμφισβητητικούς |
also the Bodl. MS.
3. Οὐδεὶς yap ἂν] Cf. Theset.
178 6: τοῦτό ye σφόδρα ὑπι-
σχνεῖτο ---- ἢ οὐδείς γ᾽ ἂν αὐτῷ
διελέγετο. Ib. 161 ἃ.
5. Τά γε μὴν περὶ πασῶν]
With περὶ πασῶν must be sup-
plied ἃ δεῖ λέγειν from the fol-
lowing clause, in which the
expression becomes more de-
finite.
6. πρὸς ἕκαστον͵] Probably
neut.: sc. ἀμφισβήτημα. αὐτὸν
implies, They dictate even to
the masters of each craft.
7. δεδημοσιωμένα----τῷ βουλο-
μένῳ μαθεῖν] “The mysteries
of each profession are published
in manuals for all to learn.”
50 here
Compare the imaginary case
put in the Politicus, 299 6:
οὐδένα yap ἀγνοεῖν τό τε ἰατρικὸν
καὶ τὸ ὑγιεινὸν οὐδὲ τὸ κυβερνητικὸν
καὶ ναυτικόν ἐξεῖναι γὰρ τῷ βου-
λομένῳ μανθάνειν γεγραμμένα καὶ
πάτρια ἔθη κείμενα. And for
καταβέβληται, ef. Ar. Eth. Nie.
I. 3: καίτοι πολλοὶ λόγοι πρὸς
αὐτὰ καταβέβληνται.
9. Τὰ-- πάλης] Diog. Laert.
9, 8, 55, mentions the treatise
of Protagoras on wrestling.
That on rhetoric is mentioned
in the Phedrus, 267 ¢: Πρω-
ταγόρεια δὲ, ὦ Σώκρατες, οὐκ ἦν
τοιαῦτα μέντοι atta; ᾿Ορθοέπειά
γέ τις, ὦ ποεῖ, καὶ ἄλλα πολλὰ καὶ
καλά.
12. τὸ τῆς ἀντιλογικῆς τέχνης]
“ As for the province of the
controversial art, does it not
seem,” &e. Cf. Rep. 7, 519 Ὁ:
τὸ τῆς τοιαύτης φύσεως. Legg.
3, 683 4: τὸ τοῦ μύθου.
ΕΣ
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ. 67
p- 232, OEAI. Φαίνεται γοῦν σχεδὸν οὐδὲν ὑπολιπεῖν.
\ Ἁ Ν cal 3 lal Ν ΄ cal ~ ᾿
ΞΕ. Σὺ δὴ πρὸς θεῶν, ὦ παῖ, δυνατὸν ἡγεῖ τοῦτο; — Is this pos-
΄ \ Ἂ ε πὶ ‘ ow e , \ Ὁ sible?
τάχα yap av ὑμεῖς μὲν ὀξύτερον οἱ νέοι πρὸς αὐτὸ
’,ὔ e la sy) /
βλέποιτε, ἡμεῖς δε ἀμβλύτερον.
\ a \ / , 7
Ρ.233.. OEAI. To ποῖον, καὶ πρὸς τί μάλιστα λέγεις 35
> ’ὔ ἴω \ ΄ /
οὐ γάρ που κατανοῶ TO νῦν ἐρωτώμενον.
— 7 ee , 7 >
GE. Et πάντα ἐπίστασθαί τινα ἀνθρώπων ἐστὶ Inother
7 words, Is
δυνατον. universal
, ee rule 5 ; 5 Ἂ knowledge
OEAI. Μακάριον μέντ᾽ ἂν ἡμῶν, ὦ E€ve, ἦν TO possible
i, for man ?
yevos. 10 That were
= 5 ἘΝ ὃν ΄, ͵ Ν > , happy for
EE. Πῶς οὖν av ποτέ tis πρός ye Tov ἐπιστά- yatkind.
€ αὐτὸς ἀνεπιστή ὧν δύναιτ᾽ ἂν ὑγιέ ἘΠ τ
μενον αὑτὸς ἀνεπιστήμων ὧν δυναιτ᾽ ἂν ὑγιές TL και
7 3 ΤΟΥ ledge of
λέγων αντειπεὶῖν ; a aubieet
how can
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδαμώς.
αὶ / b 5 a‘ / Ν ΄-“ a
SE. Τί ποτ᾽ οὖν ἂν εἴη τὸ τῆς σοφιστικῆς δυνα- 1s
one dispute
with those
that know ?
What then
can be the
mystery of
the So-
phist’s art ?
τ
μεως θαῦμα ;
in the present passage is con-
firmed by reference to 235:
οὐκέτ᾽ ἐκφεύξεται---τὸ μὴ ov τοῦ
γένους εἶναι τοῦ τῶν θαυματοποιῶν
τις εἷς.
6. οὐ γάρ που κατανοῶ] “ For
I do not think I comprehend
(I suppose I do not compre-
hend) the drift of your ques-
tion.” πῶ is read in a few
MSS., and is more pointed, but
3. ὀξύτερον οἱ νέοι] Cf. Rep.
595 6: ἐπεὶ πολλά τοι ὀξύτερον
βλεπόντων ἀμβλύτερον ὁρῶντες
πρότερον εἶδον. The young are
here ironically challenged to
use their keen eyesight to de-
termine a difficult question. In
Legg. 4,715 e, keen mental vi-
sion is spoken of as the privi-
lege of age. Nat pa Δί᾽, ὦ ξένε,
καθ᾽ ἡλικίαν yap ὀξὺ βλέπεις. ΑΘ.
Νέος μὲν γὰρ ὧν πᾶς ἄνθρωπος τὰ
τοιαῦτα ἀμβλύτατα αὐτὸς αὑτοῦ
ὁρᾷ, γέρων δὲ ὀξύτατα. For πρὸς
αὐτὸ, cf. Rep. 7, 515 d, e: πρὸς
τὸ φῶ-ς---βλέπειν.
5. Τὸ--- θαῦμα] “ The secret,”
“mystery,” as of a juggling
trick. Cf. Legg. 1, 644 ἃ
645 b,d, where man is spoken
of as a puppet, or magical
contrivance, of the gods.
This rendering of the word
does not seem to be certainly
right. The vagueness of που
consorts well with the puzzled
tone of Thezetetus.
4. πάντα ἐπίστασθαι] Cf. Eu-
thyd. 294 ο, Ar. Met. 1, 2.
15. Ti ποτε----σοφώτατοι]
“What then can be the mys-
tery of the Sophist’s art ?”
“ Why 2”
*“ T mean, how can they
create an impression in the
K 2
How does
he raise the
baseless
fabric of a
belief that
he is all-
wise ; with-
out which
he could
not hopefor
a disciple
or a fee?
Ιο
15
68
SEAL. Τοῦ δὴ πέρι ;
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
Ρ. 233:}}
oO / \ ΄σ 4
=E. Καθ᾿ ov τινα τρόπον ποτε δυνατοὶ τοῖς νέοις b
δό ΄, « OS ΄ ΄, > Ν
o&av παρασκευαζειν, ως εἰσι TTAVTA TAVTWV αὐτοὶ
σοφώτατοι. δῆλον γὰρ ὡς εἰ μήτε ἀντέλεγον ὀρθῶς
/ » 7 » 7 / 7 > \ FF
5 MNTE EKELVOLS ἐφαίνοντο, φαινομενοὶ τε εἰ μηδὲν αὖ
μᾶλλον ἐδόκουν διὰ τὴν ἀμφισβήτησιν εἶναι φρόνιμοι,
τὸ σὸν δὴ τοῦτο, σχολῇ ToT ἂν αὐτοῖς τις χρήματα
διδοὺς ἤθελεν ἂν τούτων αὐτῶν μαθητὴς γίγνεσθαι.
OEAI. Σχολῇ μέντ᾽ av.
BE. Νῦν δέ γ᾽ ἐθέλουσιν :
OEAI. Καὶ μάλα.
EE. Δοκοῦσι γάρ, οἶμαι, πρὸς ταῦτα ἐπιστημόνως
ἔχειν αὐτοὶ πρὸς ἅπερ ἀντιλέγουσιν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ;
minds of the youth, that they,
and they alone, are in all ways
the wisest of all men.”
I. Τοῦ πέρι;] “ About what
point?” 1. 6. What is the point
which a knowledge of his mys-
tery would make clear ?
2. Καθ' ὃν τινα] The indirect
interrogative in a reply, as εἰ
πάντα εἰδέναι just above. For
πάντα, cf. Soph. Antig. 721:
φῦναι τὸν ἄνδρα πάντ᾽ ἐπιστήμης
πλέον.
δυνατοὶ] δυνατὸς, like ἄξιος,
seems sometimes to dispense
with the verb εἶναι, and the re-
petition of εἰσὶ is thus avoided
here.
3. αὐτοὶ] Cf. Theet. 178 6:
τοῦτο---ὑπισχνεῖτο πάντων διαφέ-
pew αὐτός. ‘The only men.”
5. μήτε ἐκείνοις ἐφαίνοντο] For
the ellipse of the infinitive,
ἀντιλέγειν ὀρθῶς, compare Rep.
HE. Δρῶσι δέ ye τοῦτο πρὸς ἅπαντα, φαμέν ;
4,430 d: κρείττω δὴ αὑτοῦ φαί-
νονται οὐκ οἶδ᾽ ὅντινα τρόπον (sc.
λέγοντες) καὶ ἄλλα ἄττα τοιαῦτα
ὥσπερ ἴχνη αὐτοῦ λέγεται. Thuc.
III. τό : ἀνεχώρησαν ---- ἐπειδὴ
καὶ ἐκείνους εἶδον.
εἰ μηδὲν] Bodl. εἰ μὴ μηδέν,
with A and pr. I.
7. τὸ σὸν δὴ τοῦτο] “To quote
your own observation.”
8. τούτων αὐτῶν] Sc. τοῦ ἀντι-
λέγειν τε καὶ ἀμφισβητεῖν περὶ
πάντων: for which rendering
cf. supr. 232 Ὁ: αὐτοῦ τούτου
(se. τοῦ ἀντιλογικὸν εἶναι) διδά-
σκαλον γίγνεσθαι. αὐτοῖς should
be repeated with μαθητ. γιγν.
13. αὐτοὶ] “ They appear (to
the young man) to be them-
selves well-informed on the
points on which they dis-
pute.”
15. Δρῶσι τοῦτο] Sc. ἀντιλέ-
γουσιν.
Ρ. 233.
d
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Nai.
09
EE. Πάντα ἄρα σοφοὶ τοῖς μαθηταῖς φαίνονται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί μήν ;
» yf \ ΄ / , /,
SE. Οὐκ ὄντες ye’ ἀδύνατον yap τοῦτο ye earn.
OEAI. Πῶς yap οὐκ ἀδύνατον ;
=E A & \ yf Ἀ Ν ’ > ’
bey Jae οζαστικὴν ἀρὰ τινὰ πέρι πάντων ἐπιστη-
\ τ ΄σ ᾽ » / 35) > ,
μὴν ὁ σοφιστὴς ἡμῖν, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ ἀλήθειαν ἔχων ἀναπε-
φανται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν. καὶ κινδυνεύει γε τὸ
a ’ > / > Cal 5 ΄“
νῦν εἰρημένον ὀρθότατα περὶ αὐτῶν εἰρῆσθαι.
EE. Λάβωμεν τοίνυν σαφέστερόν τι παράδειγμα
\ ,
πέρι TOUTOV.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον δή :
EE. Τόδε. καί 3 προσέχων τὸν νοῦν εὖ
SH. Lode. καὶ μοι πειρῶ προσέχων τον νοὺν εὖ
μάλα ἀποκρίνασθαι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
BE. Εἴ τις φαίη μὴ λέγειν μηδ᾽ ἀντιλέγειν, ἀλλὰ
6. Δοξαστικήν)] “A know-
ledge which is in appearance
only.” δόξα is here opposed to
ἀλήθεια, as appearance to reality.
Cf. infr. 268 ο: τὸ τῆς δοξαστικῆς
μιμητικόν. There is, however, an
allusion to the other (subjec-
tive) meaning of δόξα ( = opin-
ion) as opposed to ἐπιστήμη
(cf. Thet. 207 c, 208 e), just
as the word ἀλήθεια is probably
used with reference to the ἀλή-
θεια (or certainty) of Protago-
ras. Compare the confusion
of the two meanings of ἀνόητος,
noticed by Mr. Grote in Parm.
132 ὁ, Phed. 80b. Grote’s
Plato &c., ii. 272, note P.
τὸ νῦν --- εἰρῆσθαι] Cf.
Theet. 186 6: καὶ μάλιστά ye
νῦν καταφανέστατον γέγονεν ἄλλο
ὃν αἰσθήσεως ἐπιστήμη.
14. προσέχων τὸν νοῦν εὖ μάλα]
“Giving me your very closest
attention.” For the position of
εὖ μάλα, cf, Phed. 116 e: δειπνή-
σαντάς τε καὶ πιόντας εὖ μάλα.
For καί introducing an impera-
tive, cf. Theet. 145 d, καί μοι
λέγε alib.; and compare the
use of καί μοι λέγε (or ἀναγνῶθι)
τὸ ψήφισμα &c. by the orators.
17. λέγειν] Subaudi ἐπίστα-
σθαι. The same illustration
which is used here to depre-
ciate the Sophist is applied
to the poets in Rep. 10, 596c¢:
Ἀλλ᾽ ὅρα δὴ καὶ τόνδε τίνα καλεῖς
τὸν δημιοῦργον. Τὸν ποῖον ; Ὃς
πάντα ποιεῖ, ὅσαπερ εἷς ἕκαστος
τῶν χειροτεχνῶν κιτιλ. Πάνυ
θαυμαστὸν ---- λέγεις σοφιστήν.
This unreal
appearance
ofuniversal
wisdom is
the phe-
nomenon
which we
have to
10 consider.
Imagine
a parallel
case. Sup-
pose one to
profess, not
that he
knows, but
that he can
create all
things :
men, ani-
mals, the
sea, the
heaven,
the Gods.
10
15
70
΄“΄ ΄ ra / > /
ποιεῖν καὶ δρᾷν μιᾷ τέχνη ξυνάπαντα ἐπίστασθαι p. 233}
πράγματα.
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς πάντα εἶπες ;
EE. Τὴν ἀρχὴν τοῦ ῥηθέντος σύ γ᾽ ἡμῖν εὐθὺς
» a \ \ / « 57 > 4
5 ἀγνοεῖς" τὰ yap ξύμπαντα, ὡς ἔοικας, ov pavOavels.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐ γὰρ οὖν.
= 7 , \ CIs a , \
SE. Λέγω τοινυν σε και ἐμὲ τῶν πάντων, Και
πρὸς ἡμῖν τάλλα ζῶα καὶ δένδρα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς λέγεις ;
/ [?
ποιήσειν φαίη.
᾽ Ν \ 5 \ 7
mE. Ei τις ἐμὲ καὶ σὲ καὶ τάλλα φυτὰ πάντα
ΘΕΑΙ. Τίνα δὴ λέγων τὴν ποίησιν ; οὐ γὰρ δὴ
γεωργόν γε ἐρεῖς τινά; καὶ γὰρ ζώων αὐτὸν εἶπες Ῥ- 234
f
ποιητήν.
EE. Φημί, καὶ πρός γε θαλάττης | καὶ γῆς ] καὶ
39 r XQ rn ἈΝ a 2) ’, Ἀ
οὐρανοῦ καὶ θεῶν καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ξυμπάντων. και
7 XN i? 5 ΄σ “ i? a
τοινυν καὶ TAXU TOLYOAS αὐτῶν EKACTA πανυ σμικρου
, 3 /
νομίσματος ἀποδίδοται.
Compare Emped. ΕὟ.154--τ4τ:
ὡς δ᾽ ὁπόταν ypapées —xkai τε θε-
ovs δολιχαίωνας τιμῇσι φερίστους.
I. ξυνάπαντα --- ξύμπαντα]
Note the variety.
4. Τὴν ἀρχήν] “The very key
to my meaning is unknown to
you. You do not understand
what I mean by All.”
7. Λέγω --- τῶν πάντων] CF.
Rep. 5, 398 ¢: ἐγὼ---κινδυνεύω
ἐκτὸς τῶν πάντων εἶναι.
10. καὶ τἄλλα φυτὰ] The no-
tion οἵ φυτὰ need not include
ἐμὲ καὶ σέ, according to a well-
known Platonic use of ἄλλος,
e.g. Ale. 112 b: τοῖς τε Ἀχαίοις
καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις Τρωσίν : with
which compare Hom. Od. 2,
43. But the word is probably
used here in the widest sense
(= creatures) ; cf. Tim. 90 a:
ὡς ὄντας ἡμᾶς φυτὸν οὐκ ἔγγειον
Rep. 6, 491 d:
παντὸς σπέρματος περὶ ἢ φυτοῦ
εἴτε τῶν ἐγγείων εἴτε τῶν ζώων.
Theag. 121 b.
12. λέγων] Se. φαίη ἄν.
15. Φημί] “ Yes.” Cf. Pheedr.
270 ¢.
καὶ γῆ] These words oc-
cur only in two MSS., Ven. 3.
and Flor. i, which however
belong to different families.
They are not absolutely re-
quired, for the earth as well
as the sun may be included in
the expression καὶ θεῶν. But
οἵ Rep. 10, 596 d: καὶ πρὸς
, a ‘ > X Ἂν i“
TOUTOLS γὴν Kat ουρανον Kal θεούς.
ἀλλ᾽ οὐράνιον.
Θ
"». 234.
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
11
ΘΙΕΑΙ. Παιδιὰν λέγεις τινά.
l 7 / Ν lal / od 7 3 Ν
ΞΕ. Τί δέ; τὴν τοῦ λέγοντος ore πάντα οἶδε καὶ
a oS x , > / we) > / ,
TQAUTQ ETEPOY ἂν διδάξειεν ὀλίγου καὶ ἐν ολίγῳ χρόνῳ,
“-“ » \ /
μῶν οὐ παιδιὰν νομιστέον ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάντως που.
΄-“ \ 3, 3, "
BE. Παιδιᾶς δὲ ἔχεις ἢ τι τεχνικώτερον ἢ καὶ
as 5; Ἂ Ν ͵
χαριέστερον εἰδος ἢ τὸ μιμητικὸν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδαμῶς: πάμπολυ γὰρ εἴρηκας εἶδος εἰς
A , \ KS ΄
ἕν πάντα ξυλλαβὼν καὶ σχεδὸν ποικιλώτατον.
5
— » a , ΓΤ , \ 3
ΜΞ Εἰ, Οὐκοῦν τὸν γ᾽ ὑπισχνούμενον δυνατὸν εἶναι το We should
lal , , “ / / “ σ
μιᾷ ΤΕΧΡΉ TQAVTQ ποίειν γιγνώσκομεν ποὺ TOUTOY, OTL
Ἃ « ,ὔ a + , r
μιμήματα καὶ ὁμώνυμα τῶν ὄντων ἀπεργαζόμενος TH
2. τὴν τοῦ λέγοντος] Sc. τέχνην.
Compare Coleridge, Friend,
vol. iii. p. 145: “For the
ancients, as well as the mod-
erns, had their machinery for
the extemporaneous mintage of
intellects, by means of which,
off-hand, as it were, the scholar
was enabled to make a figure
on any and all subjects, on any
and all occasions.”
4. μῶν ov παιδιὰν νομιστέον]
Cf. Euthyd. 278 ὁ : παιδιὰν δὲ
λέγω διὰ ταῦτα, ὅτι, εἰ καὶ πολλά
τις ἢ καὶ πάντα τὰ τοιαῦτα μάθοι,
τὰ μὲν πράγματα οὐδὲν ἂν μᾶλλον
εἰδείη πῇ ἔχει, προσπαίζειν δὲ οἷός
T ἂν εἴη τοῖς ἀνθρώπως. Legg.
2, 667 6: καὶ παιδιάν γε τὴν
αὐτὴν ταύτην λέγω τότε ὅταν μήτε
τι βλάπτῃ μήτε ὠφελῇ σπουδῆς ἢ
λόγου ἄξιον. The contempt for
the art of painting which is
here expressed reappears in
Legg. 6, 769 Ὁ : ἐντριβὴς----οὐ-
δαμῶς γέγονα τῇ τοιαύτῃ τέχνῃ.
— Καὶ οὐδέν γε ἐβλάβης. See
also Polit. 277 ὁ: γραφῆς δὲ
καὶ συμπάσης χειρουργίας λέξει
καὶ λόγῳ δηλοῦν πᾶν ζῶον μᾶλλον
πρέπει τοῖς δυναμένοις ἕπεσθαι.
6. τεχνικώτερον --- χαριέστε-
ρον] ‘ More artful,” and there-
fore more worthy of the So-
phist ; “more amusing,” and
therefore more deserving of
the name παιδιά. Cf. Polit.
288 6, where μιμητική is in-
cluded under παίγνιον.
8. παμπολὺ] “ Most exten-
sive.” Lit. “abundant.” Cf.
infr. 236 b.
9. ποικιλώτατον [7 “ Most
various.” Cf. Thext. 146 ἃ :
ποικίλα ἀνθ᾽ ἁπλοῦ.
Il. γιγνώσκομέν που τοῦτον]
τοῦτον, although the reading of
only two MSS. (Par. H. Flor.
b), is certainly preferable to
τοῦτο, because adding point to
the parallel: and has been
introduced into the text by
Stallbaum. The same reading
had previously been conjec-
tured by Van Heusde.
12. ὁμώνυμα] Cf. Parm. 133
d: ra—rap ἡμῖν ταῦτα, ὁμώνυμα
ὄντα ἐκείνοις.
understand
at once
that he is
a painter,
and that
his are
only mimic
““ crea-
tions ;’ by
which,
however,
he can im-
pose from
a distance 5
on the less
intelligent
amongst
young
children.
There is
also a
mimic art
of reason-
ing, by
Io
72 IMAATQNOZ
γραφικῇ τέχνῃ δυνατὸς ἔσται τοὺς ἀνοήτους τῶν νέων Ῥ. 234. '
παίδων, πόρρωθεν τὰ γεγραμμένα ἐπιδεικνύς, λανθά-
ε “ / δ Ἃ θη ὃ cad ΄σ « ΄
νειν, ὡς, Ὁ τί περ ἂν βουληθῃ Pav, TOVTO ἱκανώτατος
ἃ > “- yy
ὧν ἀποτελεῖν ἐργῳ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ:
EE. Τί δὲ δή ; περὶ τοὺς λόγους ap’ οὐ προσδο-
a 5 , yy U x > 3
κῶμεν eval τινα ἄλλην τέχνην ; Τὴ ovt δυνατὸν av
/ Χ ͵ 7] , 5
τυγχάνειν TOUS νέους καὶ ETL πόρρω τῶν πραγμάτων
τῆς ἀληθείας ἀφεστῶτας διὰ τῶν ὦτων τοῖς λόγοις
/ / 5) , Ν 4
γοητεύειν, δεικνύντας εἴδωλα λεγόμενα περὶ πάντων,
2. πορρωθεν --- ἀφεστῶτας] Cf.
Legg. 1, 663 Ὁ : σκοτοδινιᾷν δὲ
τὸ πόρρωθεν ὁρώμενον πᾶσί τε ὡς
ἔπος εἰπεῖν καὶ δὴ καὶ τοῖς παισὶ
παρέχει. The spirit οἵ Prot.314b
is the same: ἡμεῖς yap ἔτι νέοι,
ὥστε τοσοῦτο πρᾶγμα διελέσθαι.
Cf. also Rep. 1, 331 6: ὥσπερ
ἤδη ἐγγύτερω ὧν τῶν ἐκεῖ μᾶλλόν
τι καθορᾷ αὐτά.
ἡ. τινα ἄλλην τέχνην] τοιαύτην,
which Heindorf proposed to
insert before τέχνην, is found
in ὁ, ἘΠ Ὁ, and 85 been
added by a recent hand in
two other MSS. But with
τοιαύτη following (infr. 4), the
common reading is more pro-
bable.
+ ovt] The reading of
most MSS., ἢ ov δυνατὸν αὖ
τυγχάνειν, is awkward unless
τοιαύτην is added above. οὐ
may possibly have arisen from
αὖ following. The translation
of Ficinus (qua seductores—
adolescentulos decipere vale-
ant) points to Schleiermacher’s
conjecture, ἢ δυνατὸν αὖ τυγχά-
νειν, which is also supported
by a correction of the Coisli-
nian MS. (ἢ δυνατόν.) (ῆ οὐ
Π.) For τυγχάνειν with the ad-
jective, cf. Tim. 61 d, τυγχάνει
---ταῦτα---- δυνατὰ λεχθῆναι, and
seven other passages quoted
by Ast, Lex. 5. v. τυγχάνω.
And for the infinitive after the
relative ἡ (subaud. προσδοκῶμεν),
cf. Parm. 130 6: εἶναι εἴδη ἄττα,
ὧν τάδε---τὰς ἐπωνυμίας ἴσχειν.
8. τοὺς νεοὺς καὶ ἔτι πόρρω]
A similar parallel is drawn
between rhetoric and tragic
poetry in Gorgias 502 d: Nov
ἄρα ἡμεῖς εὑρήκαμεν ῥητορικήν
τινα πρὸς δῆμον τοιοῦτον οἷον παί-
δων τε ὁμοῦ καὶ γυναικῶν καὶ
ἀνδρῶν, καὶ δούλων καὶ ἐλευθέρων,
ἣν οὐ πάνυ ἀγάμεθα, κολακικὴν γὰρ
αὐτήν (τὴν τῆς τραγῳδίας ποίησιν)
φαμεν εἶναι. See also ib. 458
e, where the “ omniscience” of
the rhetor is noticed : περὶ
πάντων (ῥητορικὸν) ὥστ᾽ ἐν ὄχλῳ
πιθανὸν εἶναι. Ib. 459 Ὁ : ὁ οὐκ
εἰδὼς τοῦ εἰδότος ἐν οὐκ εἰδόσι
πιθανώτερος. Compare Legg.
2,658 ¢: εἰ μὲν τοίνυν τὰ σμικρὰ
κρίνοι παιδία, κρινοῦσι τὸν τὰ θαύ-
ματα ἐπιδεικνύντα.
10. εἴδωλα λεγόμενα] = τὰ ἐν
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ.
Ϊ ἣν ω “ vad / Ν Ν /
p- 234. ὥστε ποιεῖν aAnOn δοκεῖν λέγεσθαι Kai τὸν λέγοντα
\ / 7 (oA > 53
δὴ σοφώτατον πάντων ἅπαντ᾽ εἶναι ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί γὰρ οὐκ ἂν εἴη ἄλλη τις τοιαύτη
τέχνη 3
ΞΕ). Τοὺς πολλοὺς οὖν, [ὦ] Θεαίτητε, τῶν τότε
» / B's > ’ /, / > /
ἀκουόντων ἀρ οὐκ ἀνάγκη, χρόνου τε ἐπελθόντος
» - an a - / « / an 5
αὑτοῖς ἱκανοῦ καὶ προϊούσης λικίας, τοῖς τε οὖσι
/ > / Ν \ / >
προσπίπτοντας ἐγγύθεν καὶ διὰ παθημάτων avayKa-
/ 3 a 3 / lal 7 7
ζομένους ἐναργῶς ἐφάπτεσθαι τῶν ὄντων, μεταβάλ-
‘ / / / [γέ \ \
dew τὰς τότε γενομένας δόξας, ὥστε σμικρὰ μὲν
φαίνεσθαι τὰ μεγάλα, χαλεπὰ δὲ τὰ padi, καὶ πάντα
VL 9 ’΄ \ 5 a 7 /
παντῃ ἀνατετραῴθαι τὰ ἐν τοῖς λόγοις φαντάσματα
e Χ a ΄- 7 5) /
ὑπὸ τῶν ἐν Τῶις πράξεσιν εργῶν TAPAVEVOLEVOYV 5
τοῖς λόγοις φαντάσματα, infr. 6.
“ Exhibiting fictitious argu-
ments, as the painter exhi-
bited fictitious shapes.” There
is a stress on λεγόμενα as op-
posed to γεγραμμένα ἐπιδεικνὺς
above. Compare Theet. r50e:
ψευδῆ καὶ εἴδωλα περὶ πλείονος
ποιησάμενοι τοῦ ἀληθοῦς. For
the plural δεικνύντας, to which
objection has been made, οἵ.
Theet. 172 Ὁ: ἐθέλουσιν ἰσχυ-
ρίζεσθαι. Ib. 167 Ὁ : δοξάζοντας
συγγενῆ ἑαυτῆς, and notes.
I. ποιεῖν---δοκεῖν] “To make
them think.”
5. Τοὺς πολλοὺς ---- παραγενο-
μένων] “Is it not then, Thez-
tetus, inevitable, that most of
the auditors of such lectures
in process of time, as they get
older, coming into close con-
tact with realities, and being
compelled by sad experience
to see and feel things as they
are, will change the opinions
which were then created, so
L
that what seemed great will
appear small, and what seemed
easy, difficult; and the ima-
ginations, awakened by dis-
course, will be completely
overturned by the facts which
encounter them in action.”
[ὦ] Θεαίτητε] The Bodl.
omits ὦ with AT.
8. διὰ παθημάτων] According
to the ““τριγέρων μῦθος," παθή-
ματα μαθήματα.
g. ἐναργῶς} “ΤῸ come into
unmistakeable contact with re-
ality.”
10. σμικρὰ---τὰ peyara] Ee.
wealth, distinction, &c.
II. χαλεπὰ---τὰ ῥᾷάδια] E.
the government of men.
13. ὑπὸ τῶν ἐν ταῖς πράξεσιν
ἔργων παραγενομένων] “The reali-
ties which have encountered
them in action.” Compare the
complaint of Adimantus in Rep.
6, 487 b,c. And cf. Lege. 6,
769d: προϊόντος τοῦ χρόνου, καὶ
τῶν δοξάντων ἔργῳ πειρώμενον.
oO,
5
σι
which
youth and
inexperi-
ence may
be de-
ceived,
though not
for long.
Thesetetus
assents,
though he
feels that
he is still
one of those
‘at a dis-
tance”’
from the
truth of
things.
Sar. “It is
our endea-
vour to
anticipate
experience
and to
draw you
nearer.”
74
ΘΕΑΙ. ‘Os γοῦν ἐμοὶ τηλικῷδε ὄντι κρῖναι. οἶμαι p. 234.
ITAATQNOZ
δὲ Oe De a "7 , » / 5
ε καὶ Ee τῶν ETL πόρρωθεν ἀφεστηκοτων εἰναι.
EE. Τοιγαροῦν ἡμεῖς σε οἵδε πάντες πειρασόμεθα
γὰρ 7} ρ μ
\ fa) / e > / yA lal /
καὶ vuv πειρώμεθα ὡς ἐγγύτατα ἄνευ TOY παθημάτων
Ἢ ΄ Ν 3 3 a a / P< © ἐς
STpooayev. περὶ δ᾽ οὖν τοῦ σοφιστοῦ τοδε μοι λέγε
/ yf la \ a ΄σ ’, yy
πότερον ἤδη τοῦτο σαφὲς OTL τῶν γοήτων ἐστι TIS,
\ a lol 32) Ὁ 7 7) Ν Ν
μιμητὴς ὧν τῶν ὄντων, ἢ διστάζομεν ἐτι μὴ περὶ
σ 5 / lat Ἂ 3 Ν /
ὅσωνπερ ἀντιλέγειν δοκεῖ δυνατὸς εἶναι, περὶ τοσού-
των καὶ τὰς ἐπιστήμας ἀληθῶς ἔχων τυγχάνει ;
OEAI. Καὶ πῶς av, ὦ ξένε; ἀλλὰ σχεδὸν ἤδη
\ lal 72 vA qn rn an A
σαφες ἐκ τῶν εἰρημένων ὅτι τῶν τῆς παιδιᾶς μέτε-
’ὔ , ἴω
χόντων ἐστί τις μερῶν.
Ios τὸ 989 lye ὦ
εἶ, προιὼν δέ σε 6 χρόνος ποιήσει
πολλὰ ὧν νῦν δοξάζεις μεταβα-
λόντα ἐπὶ τἀναντία τίθεσθαι.
T. ‘Os ἐμοὶ ----κρῖναι = ὡς ἐμοὶ
κριτῇ. The infinitive is epexe-
getic.
3. Τοιγαροῦν ἡμεῖς σε οἵδε]
Cf. Legg. το, go5¢: ταῦτα εἰ μέν
σε πείθει Κλεινίας ὅδε καὶ ξύμπασα
ἡμῶν ἥδε ἡ γερουσία, καλῶς ἄν σοι
καὶ ὁ θεὸς αὐτὸς ξυλλαμβάνοι.
ἡμεῖς οἵδε] -- ξενός, Θεόδωρος,
Σωκράτης.
4. τῶν παθημάτων] The article
refers to διὰ παθημάτων above.
5. δ᾽ οὖν] “ But, to return.”
7. μὴ expresses that an af-
firmative answer to the question
which it introduces is regarded
as possible.
12. ἐστί τις μερῶν] Heindorf
objects to μερῶν on the ground
that the only way of constru-
ing the words as they stand is
to suppose μερῶν tobe go-
verned by μετεχόντων. “That
he is one of those who par-
take of the divisions of child’s-
παῖ, νέος
play.” But why may not the
words be taken more simply !—
“That he occupies (76. is) one of
the departments which partake
of the nature of child’s-play.”
The confusion of the man and
his function, the juxtaposition
of the masculine with the femi-
nine and neuter, has already
occurred several times in this
dialogue, 6. g. 225 a: τὸ χρη-
ματιστικὸν γένος, ἐριστικῆς ὃν
σοφιστής.
The article in τῆς παιδιᾶς re-
fers to p. 234 a: παιδιὰν ---
παιδιᾶς. Accordingly, τῶν τῆς
παιδιᾶς μετεχόντων μερῶν 18
equivalent to τῶν τῆς μιμητικῆς
μερῶν. That μιμητικὴ is divided
into many parts is implied
supr. 234 b, eis ev πάντα ξυλλα-
βών, and in the epithet ποικι-
λώτατον. Cf. also infr. 6: κατὰ
μέρη τῆς μιμητικῆς. 235 a: τῆς
μιμητικῆς τὸ ἐπὶ τούτῳ μέρος.
ib. Ὁ : πολὺ τοῦτο τὸ μέρος κατὰ
-- μιμητικῆην. The conjecture
εἷς, adopted by the Zurich edi-
tors (ἐστί τις μερῶν εἷς. Ténra),
͵ 5 A e
TEXYNS, — ΕΟ πο 9,
Ρ. 235.
ἢ
p. 235.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
75
RE. Eis γόητα μὲν δὴ καὶ μιμητὴν apa θετέον
γ
TUWQ,
OEAI. [lds yap ov θετέον ;
mE. “Aye δή, viv ἡμέτερον ἔργον ἤδη Tov θῆρα But what
ΣΟΙ ΕῚ a 4 \ ‘ ἀν, τῆς ͵ >
μηκέτ᾽ ἀνεῖναι: σχεδὸν yap αὐτὸν mepleAnpapev ἐν 5
5 κ᾿ Q al ’ ΄σ / \ \
ἀμφιβληστρικῷ τινὶ τῶν ἐν τοῖς λόγοις περὶ τὰ
a > ΄ “ >’ ΟΝ Ὁ / ΓΟ /
TOLAVTA OPYAVWY, WATE OUKET ἐκφεύξεται TOOE γε.
CEAI. To ποῖον ;
aD Teo \ » a / 5 A na 6
μη ed O μὴ OU TOU γένους ELVaL Τοῦ τῶν σαυματο-
ποιῶν τις εἷς.
ΘΕΑΙ. Kapol τοῦτό γε οὕτω περὶ αὐτοῦ ξυνδοκεῖ,
/ 14 a
mE. Δέδεικται τοίνυν 6 τι τάχιστα διαιρεῖν τὴν
though involving only a slight
change, is unmeaning and gives
a wrong emphasis. The case is
different below (235 b: τις εἷς),
where the point is that he cannot
escape being some one amongst
the varieties of the genus jug-
gler. Here παιδιᾶς is the em-
phatic word.
The next words, εἰς γόητα,
admit of a similar explanation.
The masculine noun is substi-
tuted for the neuter of the kind
or genus. He must be referred
to the genus sorcerer, and to a
species of mimic. Cf. Polit.
281 ©: πότερον οὖν 6 περὶ τῆς
ὑφαντικῆς λόγος --- ἱκανῶς ἔσται
διωρισμένος, ἐὰν ἄρ᾽ αὐτὴν τῶν
ἐπιμελειῶν, ὁπόσαι περὶ τὴν ἐρεᾶν
ἐσθῆτα, εἰς τὴν καλλίστην καὶ
μεγίστην πασῶν τιθῶμεν ; where,
however, the Zurich editors
have εἰσί, but see note. Lege.
9, 867 b: εἰς εἰκόνα μὲν ἄμφω
θεῖναι. Tim. 57 6 : εἰς ἀνωμαλό-
τητὰα τιθῶμεν. Kor a similar use
of the concrete for the ab-
L
stract, cf. Rep. 382d: Ποιητὴς
ἄρα ψευδὴς ἐν θεῷ οὐκ ἔνι.
1. γόητα! So the art of
the λογοποιοί is described in
Euthyd. 289 e: ἔστι---τῆς τῶν
ἐπῳδῶν τέχνης μόριον σμικρῷ τι
ἐκείνης ὑποδεεστέρα.
4. νῦν ἡμέτερον---ἀνεῖναι] The
near approach made in these
words to an anapzstic tetra-
meter can hardly be accidental.
And there is a tone of bur-
lesque tragedy in the order of
the words.
6. ἀμφιβληστρικῷ τινι] Se.
ὀργάνῳ, viz. the εἶδος of μιμη-
τική 1n which we have confined
him. Cf. Euthyd. 302 b: ἄπο-
pov twa στροφὴν ἔφευγόν τε καὶ
ἐστρεφόμην ἤδη, ὥσπερ ἐν δικτύῳ
εἰλημμένος.
ΤΟ. τις εἷς] Some one or other
of those included in the race
of jugglers. Cf. Soph. Antig.
262: εἷς γάρ τις ἢν ἕκαστος
οὐξειργασμένος.
12. Δέδεικται τοίνυν] Se. δεῖν.
Cf. Theet. 197 a:
>
-
τούτων τ᾽
now of the
Sophist {
Is he or is
he nota
mimic and
amagician
a maker
of false
images of
reality 1
If so, we
must take
the art of
image-
making
and pro-
ceed with
our method
of divi-
sions.
76
> ww \ , x jd ’ > / >\
εἰδωλοποιϊκην τέχνην, καὶ καταβάντας εἰς αὐτὴν, EaY Pp. 235.}}
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
\ c σ΄ 5» \ c Ἀ [ἐ ~
μὲν ἡμᾶς εὐθὺς ὁ σοφιστὴς ὑπομείνῃ, συλλαβεῖν
DLN \ \ , / c XN a cal
αὑτὸν κατὰ τὰ ἐπεσταλμένα ὕπο τοῦ βασιλικοῦ
/ > / / 3 to Ν a Ξ
λόγου, κἀκείνῳ παραδόντας ἀποφῆναι τὴν ἄγραν
5Ν 3. \ / ω al 7 7
5 ἐὰν δ᾽ ἄρα κατὰ μέρη τῆς μιμητικῆς δύηταί πῃ, Evva-
λουθεῖν αὐτῷ, ὃ υ ἰεὶ τὴν ὑπο
κολουθειν αὐτῷ, Θιαιρουντας GEL τὴν υὑποθεχομενὴν
Sines a “ Ων “-“ / yf ©
αὐτὸν μοῖραν, ἕωσπερ av ληφθῇ. πάντως οὗτε οὗτος
δ A / Ia\ / 5 XN > /
οὔτε ἄλλο γένος οὐδὲν μὴ ποτε ἐκῴφυγον ἐπεύξηται
\ ΄- “ / / 4 oS / Ν
τὴν τῶν οὕτω δυναμένων μετιέναι καθ᾽ ἕκαστα τε καὶ
SEAN iy
10 ἐπὶ παντα μέθοδον.
ἂν ἔφη ἀπέχεσθαι, and note.
Tsoer. Nicocl. 36: φημὶ δὴ
πράττειν ἕκαστον ἡμῶν ἐπιμελῶς.
Δέδοκται, the reading of some
MSS. and of the old editions,
agrees well with the preced-
ing context, but not so well
with the new matter in what
follows. Compare Rep. 4,432 b:
νῦν δὴ ἡμᾶς δεῖ ὥσπερ κυνηγέτας
τινὰς θάμνον περιΐστασθαι, προ-
σέχοντας τὸν νοῦν μή πῃ διαφύγῃ
ἡ δικαιοσύνη καὶ ἀφανισθεῖσα ἄδη-
Ros γένηται.
(12.)Δέδεικται----μεθόδον] “Then
the duty is proved of opening
with all speed the art of image-
making, and descending into
it; where, if we find the So-
phist immediately awaiting us,
we must apprehend him in
the name of Reason, who is
our royal master, and render
and declare our capture ; but
if he lurk in one of the many
compartments of imitative art,
we must follow him closely,
always opening the cell which
contains him, until he be
caught. Surely neither he nor
any other kind shall boast
of haying eluded the pursuit
of those who are able thus to
follow the most minute and
also the most comprehensive
inquiry.”
I. εἰδωλοποιϊκή 15
mous with μιμητική.
2. ὑπομείνῃ---δύητα]͵ He is
imagined as a flying enemy
who may either turn to bay or
hide himself in the bush.
3. ὑπὸ τοῦ βασιλικοῦ λόγου]
Compare Pindar’s νόμος πάντων
βασιλεύς. For Custom, as the
king of men, Plato would sub-
stitute Reason ; νοῦς for νόμος.
4. ἀποφῆναι τὴν ἄγραν] See
the story οἵ Polycrates and the
fisherman in Herod. III. 42.
7. πάντως οὐ] Polit. 269: mav-
τως ov πολλὰ ἐκφεύγεις παιδιὰς ἔτη.
8. οὐ---μή ποτε ἐκφυγὸν ἐπεύ-
ξηται] This sounds like an echo
of Soph. Cid. Col. 1024: ods
οὐ μή ποτε χώρας φυγόντες τῆσδ᾽
ἐπεύξωνται θεοῖς. See οὐκέτ᾽ ἐκ-
φεύξεται supr., and ef. Legg.
10, QOO a: οὐ μή ποτε emevénrat
περιγενέσθαι θεῶν. Ib. 12, 969
Ὁ: τό ye ἀνδρειότατος εἶναι δο-
κεῖν---οὐκ ἐκφεύξει ποτέ.
9. καθ᾽ ἕκαστα---πάντα] Pass-
ing over no kind and extend-
synony-
Ρ. 235-
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. ras
OEAI. Λέγεις εὖ, καὶ ταῦτα ταύτῃ ποιητέον.
RE. Κατὰ δὴ τὸν παρεληλυθότα τρόπον τῆς διαι-
/ “ lal / a By
ἃ ρέσεως ἐγωγέ μοι καὶ viv φαίνομαι δύο καθορᾷν εἰδὴ
a oe \\ δὲ / ἰδέ ᾽ .« /
THS μιμητικῆς τὴν OE ζητουμένην LOEAV, εν OTTOTEP@
There is a
real and an
apparent
image.
> ἘΠ σὲ 5 / Co > /
ποθ μιν ουσὰα τυγχάνει, καταμαθεῖν οὐδέπω μοι5
an an SN S
δοκῶ νῦν δυνατὸς εἶται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Σὺ δ᾽ ἀλλ᾽ εἰπὲ πρῶτον καὶ δίελε ἡμῖν
/ Χ / /
τίνε τῶ Ovo λέγεις.
=a Mi \ A ᾽ \ « lad > x, A
wey I. lav μὲν Τὴν ELKAOTLKNV Op@v εν QUT?)
/ yy 1] “ / c / \ \
τέχνην. ἐστι O αὕτη μάλιστα, ὁπόταν κατὰ τὰς TOU
a
παραδείγματος συμμετρίας τις ἐν μήκει καὶ πλάτει
Ν ΄ Ν Χ ΄ a ΄ > \
καὶ βάθει, καὶ πρὸς τούτοις ETL χρώματα ἀποδιδοὺς
Χ / « / \ a / /
τὰ TPOONKOVTA EKAGTOLS, Τὴν TOV μιμηματος γένεσιν
ἀπεργαζηται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δ᾽; οὐ πάντες οἱ μιμούμενοί τι τοῦτ᾽
ἐπιχειροῦσι δρᾷν :
3, “ “ 7 4 ’
BE. Οὔκουν ὅσοι γε τῶν μεγάλων ποὺ τι πλάτ-
2, Xx 7 » ἊΝ 3 - \
τουσιν ἔργων ἢ γράφουσιν. εἰ yap ἀποδιδοῖεν τὴν
ing to all : at once special and
general, individual and univer-
sal. Compare Pheedr. 265-273.
7. Σὺ δ᾽ ἀλλ᾽ εἰπὲ] Cf. Xen.
Hell. III. 4, 26: Ἀποκρινομένου
δὲ τοῦ Ἀγησιλάου, ὅτι οὐκ ἂν
ποιήσειε ταῦτα ἄνευ τῶν οἴκοι
τελῶν, Σὺ δ᾽ ἀλλὰ, ἕως ἂν πύθῃ
τὰ παρὰ τῆς πόλεως, μεταχώρησον
ἔφη, ἐς τὴν Φαρναβάζου.
9. τὴν εἰκαστικὴν] The word
is used again in Legg. 2, 667 Ὁ:
ὅσαι τέχναι εἰκαστικαί. Lb. 668
d: μουσικὴν---πᾶσάν φαμεν εἰκα-
στικήν τε εἶναι καὶ μιμητικήν.
9. ὁρῶν] τὼ δύο λέγω is
understood from the preceding
sentence. The ace. is governed
partly by λέγω, partly by ὁρῶν.
13. THY TOU μιμήματος γένεσιν
The word γένεσις frequently
occurs in these dialogues with
something of a technical mean-
ing. Here it seems almost
pleonastic. Cf Legg. 4, 712
a: τότε πολιτείας τῆς ἀρίστης
φύεται γένεσις. Rep. 2,371 d:
καπήλων — γένεσιν. Compare
Cratyl. 432 6, where the fur-
ther distinction is drawn be-
tween Κρατύλου εἰκὼν and δύο
Κρατύλοι.
15. πάντες οἱ μιμούμενοί τι
“ All who try to imitate any-
thing.”
16. ἐπιχειροῦσι δρᾶν almost =
δρῶσι. Cf. Thezet.196 d, Pheedr,
265 e, et passim.
17. mov] “ Anywhere,
any occasion.”
» ¢¢
on
The for-
mer, which
IO we may
call a like-
ness, 15
that in
which the
propor-
tions and
colours of
the original
are really
15 preserved.
The false
image is
that, in
whichthese
only seem
to be pre-
served, be-
cause of
the posi-
tion of the
spectator,
78
τῶν καλῶν ἀληθινὴν συμμετρίαν, οἶσθ᾽ ὅτι σμικρό- p. 235.
\ a / \ A / \ \ ΄
τερα μὲν τοῦ δέοντος τὰ ἄνω, μείζω δὲ τὰ κάτω p. 236.
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
/ 353. ἃ \ Ν \ \ U \ “hase 7,
φαίνοιτ᾽ av διὰ τὸ τὰ μὲν πόρρωθεν, τὰ δ᾽ ἐγγύθεν
« > ε n c ΄- 3 97 5 > / ‘\ > \
vp ἡμῶν ὁρᾶσθαι. ap οὖν ov χαίρειν τὸ ἀληθὲς
44 . ΄“ \ 327
SEATAVTES οἱ δημιουργοὶ νῦν οὐ τὰς οὔσας συμμε-
/ ἈΝ 7 5 \ fad Fi
Tplas, ἀλλὰ Tas δοξούσας εἶναι καλὰς τοῖς εἰδώλοις
ἐναπεργαζονται ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
oS 2 / ΕῚ , yy
ἕτερον οὐ δίκαιον, εἰκὸς YE OV,
HE. Τὸ μὲν ἄρα
> / la
10 €LKOVA καλεῖν 5
GEAI. Nai.
aE. Kat τῆς ye
A X SN , Ζ
μιμητικης TO ἐπὶ τουτῷ μέρος
λ ip σ“ of » “ 7 ra) > / Ν
ΚλῆτΤεον OTTEP εἴπομεν EV Τῷ 7 POOUEV, ELKAOTLKIY 5
OEAI. KAnréov.
EE. Τί δέ; τὸ φαινόμενον μὲν διὰ τὴν οὐκ ἐκ
I. τῶν καλῶν] Badham conj.
κώλων, but cf. καλὰς infra, 1. 6.
5. νῦν] “In point of fact.”
The position of the word is
curious. Cf. supr., 218 b:
ἀρχομένῳ πρῶτον, ὡς ἐμοὶ daive-
ται, νῦν ἀπὸ τοῦ σοφιστοῦ.
τὰς οὔσας] τῶν καλῶν is pro-
bably to be supplied in thought.
8. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν] These words
are not omitted in the Bod-
leian MS., as Gaisford asserts.
9. εἰκός ye ὄν] γε -- ἅτε, as
above, 221 ¢: τό γε ὄνομα τοῦτο
ἔχων.
12.70 ἐπὶ τούτῳ] “Whose work
this is.” Cf. Rep.5,477 d: duvd-
pews δ᾽ εἰς ἐκεῖνο μόνον βλέπω,
ἐφ᾽ ᾧ τέ ἐστι καὶ ὃ ἀπεργάζεται.
13. ἐν τῷ πρόσθεν]Ἡ 235 d.
15. διὰ τὴν οὐκ ἐκ καλοῦ θέαν]
Heindorf, following Schleier-
macher, called this reading
senseless, and thought that οὐκ
had arisen out of ἐκ. And οὐκ
is certainly omitted in Coisl.
Ss. ¥., but Coisl. has ἐκ καλοῦ
μηδαμῶς. Stallbaum agrees with
Heindorf, who renders ἐκ κα-
hov, ex loco opportuno, and
quotes Aristoph. Thesm. 293 :
ποῦ, ποῦ καθίζωμ᾽ ἐν καλῷ τῶν
ῥητόρων wv ἐξακούω. C. F. Her-
mann conjectures διὰ τὴν dKo-
λουθίαν, “ because of the con-
eruity” (it is rather the ap-
parent congruity) “of the
proportions.” The difficulty
arises simply from misappre-
hension. The point is that
in addressing persons who are
at a distance from the truth
of things (πόρρω τῆς ἀληθείας
ἀφεστῶτας, supr. 234 6) the
Sophist is able to give his
arguments the appearance of
wisdom. The wnfavowrable
position in which his hearers
stand is the cause of their
delusion, as in the case of the
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
19
cal / ᾽ VA a ΄σ / \ v7 ’
p: 236. καλοῦ θέαν ἐοικέναι τῷ καλῷ, δύναμιν δὲ εἴ τις λάβοι
‘ a ε a Ἐπ δὲ \ go oN δι Ν >
τὰ τηλικαῦτα ἱκανῶς ὁρᾷν, μηδὲ εἰκὸς ᾧ φησὶν ἐοι-
/ / “ Bu > 5» 3 / / /
κέναι, TL καλοῦμεν ; ἀρ οὐκ, ἐπείπερ φαίνεται μέν,
” \ 37 Δ
ἐοικε δὲ οὔ, φάντασμα ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί μήν ;
an , \ \ /
EE. Οὐκοῦν πάμπολυ καὶ κατὰ τὴν ζωγραφίαν
cal Ν 7 A ’ A
τοῦτο TO μέρος ἐστὶ Kal κατὰ ξύμπασαν μιμητικήν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς δ᾽ οὖ:
7 /
EE. Τὴν δὴ φαντάσματα ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ εἰκόνα ἀπερ-
,ὔ ld Lot > \ > / > xX
γαζομένην τέχνην ap ov φανταστικὴν ὀρθότατ᾽ ἂν
’ὔ
προσαγορευοιμεν 5
ΘΕΑΙ. Πολύ γε.
BE. Τούτω τοίνυν τὼ δύο ἔλεγον εἴδη τῆς εἰδω-
Rates = \ 7,
λοποιϊκῆς, εἰκαστικὴν καὶ φανταστικὴν.
apparent proportions of a co-
lossal statue. The words δύ-
ναμιν δ᾽ et τις λάβοι τὰ τηλι-
καῦτα ἱκανῶς ὁρᾶν imply this,
and require that οὐκ should be
retained. “That which appears
to resemble what is fair be-
cause the spectator is not in a
fair position.” Cf. Legg. 2,
663¢: σκοτοδινιᾷν ---- τὸ πόρρω-
θεν ὁρώμενον ----παρέχει, νομοθέ-
της δὲ -- τὸ σκότος ἀφελὼν ---
πείσει --- ὡς ἐσκιαγραφημένα τὰ
δίκαιά ἐστι καὶ ἄδικα" τὰ μὲν ἄδικα
τῷ τοῦ δικαίου ἐναντίως φαινόμενα,
ἐκ μὲν ἀδίκου καὶ κακοῦ ἑαυτοῦ
θεωρούμενα ἡδέα, τὰ δὲ δίκαια
ἀηδέστερα, ἐκ δὲ δικαίου πάντα
τἀναντία πάντῃ πρὸς ἀμφότερα,
where it is evident from the
context, as here, (especially
from the word πόρρωθεν,) that
ἐκ expresses position or point
of view: and there is perhaps
the same allusion as in Ar.
Eth. Nic. IX. 7: Ἐπίχαρμος
μὲν οὖν τάχ᾽ ἂν φαίη ταῦτα λέγειν
αὐτοὺς ἐκ πονηροῦ θεωμένους :
unless indeed this is to be in-
terpreted from ejusd. Metaph.
XII. 9, 17 : χαλεπὸν ἐκ μὴ κα-
λῶς ἐχόντων λέγειν καλῶς, κατ᾽
᾿Ἐπίχαρμον, where ἐκ expresses
the material or means, as in
ex τῶνδε σκόπει Pheed. 67 6.
2. τὰ τηλικαῦτα] “Things of
such colossal size.”
ᾧ φησὶν ἐοικέναι] ‘“ Which
it professes to resemble.”
3. καλοῦμεν] Future tense.
φαίνεται μὲν] ἐοικέναι, which
is added in one or two
MSS., is easily supplied from
ἔοικε 8 ov. Cf. supr. 233 b:
μήτε ἐκείνοις ἐφαίνοντο, and note.
4. φαντάσματα] So the Bod-
leian and Π.: cett. φάντασμα.
The opposition between the
one real and the many appa-
rent likenesses suits the pas-
sage well. Cf. Rep. 7, 516 b.
13. τὼ δύο] Supr. 235 d.
5
Hence,
there are
two kinds
of image-
making,
Likeness-
making
and Phan-
10 tastic, of
which
painting is
a conspicu-
ous ex-
ample.
80 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿᾽Ορθώς.
Now in EE. Ὃ δέ ye καὶ τότ᾽ ἠμφεγνόουν, ἐν ποτέρᾳ
seeking to = ᾿ ; ΕΣ ᾿ 2
pee a wey σοφιστὴν θετέον, οὐδὲ viv πω δύναμαι ae
Sophist in δ ‘ a
one of σθαι σαφῶς, ἀλλ᾽ ὄντως θαυμαστὸς ἁνὴρ Kal κατι-
these, we x , oe aN Ne etc ΄ 5 \ a
areen- 5 0€lV παγχάλεπος, ἐπεὶ καὶ νῦν pada εὖ καὶ ae
countered es 5 η ΄
by the dif εἰς ἄπορον εἶδος διερευνήσασθαι καταπέφευγεν.
ficulty 7
which has OEAT. * Eouxev.
always
"»-- cy > 5 oN / , y
beset the HE. °Ap οὖν αὐτὸ γιγνώσκων ξύμφης, ἢ σε
subject of
appear, ance,
seeming,
and falsity. 10 GTATATO πρὸς τὸ το
- /? « ἂν A 7, / a
TOP TG) IS: WED a) λόγου συνειθισμένον, νῦν ἐπε-
eee :
7 “ Sy
CEAI. Πῶς, καὶ πρὸς 6 τι, τοῦτο εἴρηκας ;
bom 37 5 ΄ > A > 7
GE. Ὄντως, ὦ μακάριε, ἐσμὲν ἐν παντάπασι
ζω vA ἊΝ Ν / lol Ν
χαλεπῇ σκέψει. τὸ γὰρ φαίνεσθαι τοῦτο καὶ τὸ δο- e
a) 3 \ , \ Ν , \ 7, » ro
κεῖν, εἶναι δὲ μή, καὶ TO λέγειν μὲν ἄττα, ἀληθῆ δὲ
{/ 5
15 (47), ἐν τῷ
’ὕ an ’ 3 Ν > / »
πανῖα TAVTA ἐστι PEOTA αποριᾶς ἀεὶ
2. καὶ τότ] Supr. 235 d. were now (this time) drawn
ποτέρᾳ] Bodl. ποτερα.
6. καταπέφευγεν]ηἠ The same
imagery occurs in Phileb. 64
e: νῦν δὴ καταπέφευγεν ἡμῖν
τὸ ἀγαθόν εἰς τὴν τοῦ καλοῦ
φύσιν. Pheed. 76 6 : εἰς καλὸν
καταφεύγει 6 λόγος. The order
of the words is noticeable.
Διερευνήσασθαι, which is intro-
duced by an afterthought, de-
pends immediately on ἄπορον.
8. "Ap οὖν αὐτὸ---Ἰ “ Do you
give your assent intelligently,
or, from the habit of the argu-
ment, were you now drawn
on, as by a sort of impetus,
to assent at once ?”’
9. νῦν] This, the reading of
the Bodleian and ATI., is better
than συνεπεσπάσατο, which has
arisen out of the preceding
verb. “ Being accustomed by
the argument to assent, you
on to make a hasty admission.”
11. Πῶς] “ With what mean-
ing ?”
καὶ πρὸς 6 τι] “And with
reference to what?” “ What
is the special difficulty, which
you have in view 2”
6 tt] The indirect form
may be accounted for by sup-
posing an ellipse of λέγε, and
appears more natural if the
words καὶ πρὸς ὅτε are viewed
as an afterthought. Cf. supr.
233 ἃ : εἶ πάντα --- καθ᾽ ὅντινα
καιλ. Cf. also Legg. 12, 960
C: πρὸς ὃ τι δὲ τὸ νῦν ad ῥηθὲν
εἴρηται, φρᾶζ᾽ ἔτι σαφέστερον.
Euthyd. 287 Ὁ : τὸ yap οὐχ ἔχω
ὃ τι χρῶμαι ὃ τι ποτε λέγεις, ὦ
Διονυσόδωρε; One MS. (Flor. i)
has τί.
15. μεστὰ] Om. Bod.
ΔΙ. The v of ἐστιν was
p- 236
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
p. 236. πρόσθεν χρόνῳ καὶ νῦν.
ψευδὴ λέγειν ἢ δοξαζειν
φθεγξάμενον ἐναντιολογίᾳ
ΕΠ ΑΙ Ti. or;
8]
a \ 5 ’ 4
ὅπως γὰρ εἰπόντα χρὴ
A 93 a
ὄντως εἶναι, καὶ τοῦτο
Ἁ / "Z
μὴ συνέχεσθαι, παντά-
p. 237. πασιν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, χαλεπόν.
ΞΕ, Τετόλμηκεν 0 λόγος οὗτος ὑποθέσθαι τὸ μὴ
Ἂ 5 ta) \ Ἂ “ ᾽ μ“
ὃν εἶναι" ψεῦδος γὰρ οὐκ av ἄλλως ἐγίγνετο ov. Τ]αρ-
/ Nis , 9S lod \ Cla irs 5
μενίδης δὲ ὁ μέγας, ὦ παῖ, παισὶν μὲν [ἡμῖν] οὖσιν,
first confused with the initial
ph, and then the remaining
letters εστὰ were lost.
(15-) ἐν τῷ πρόσθεν χρόνῳ καὶ
νῦν] Cf. Theet. 187 ¢: Θράτ-
τει μέ πως νῦν Te Kal ἄλλοτε δὴ
πολλάκις, ὥστ᾽ ἐν ἀπορίᾳ πολλῇ
πρὸς ἐμαυτὸν καὶ πρὸς ἄλλον γε-
γονέναι, τί ποτ᾽ ἐστὶ τοῦτο τὸ
πάθος map ἡμῖν καὶ τίνα τρόπον
ἐγγιγνόμενον --- τὸ δοξάζειν τινὰ
ψευδῆ.
I. ὅπως --- χαλεπόν] “ For
it is most difficult to devise
an expression by which one
may say or think that false-
hoods really exist, and in
uttering this avoid being in-
volved in self-contradiction.”
χαλεπὸν (γνῶναι or λέγειν) ὅπως
εἰπόντα χρὴ λέγειν ἢ δοξάζειν
ψευδῆ εἶναι, καὶ
φθεγξάμενον ἐναντιολογίᾳ μὴ συ-
νέχεσθαι. Heindorf, who is
followed by Stallbaum, inter-
prets the words differently :
“ Difficile enim prorsus est
dictu, quomodo oporteat ali-
quem, qui fieri posse dicat
(εἰπόντα) ut falsa quis dicat
aut cogitet, dum vel hoe pro-
nuntiat (καὶ τοῦτο φθεγξάμενον)
non sibimet ipsum contraria
proloqui.” ὅπως is here unna-
turally separated from εἰπόντα:
χρὴ is too remote from the
Ξ
ὄντως τοῦτο
Μ
infinitive συνέχεσθαι, and the
meaning given to καὶ is forced.
For ὅπως εἰπόντα χρὴ λέγειν, cf.
Legg. 4, 709 Ὁ:
a 3 > , ΄
ταῦτ εἰπόντα δοκεῖν
τὸ ὃ ἔστι ---
πάντα εὖ
λέγειν.
3. συνέχεσθαι expresses the
state of distressing uncertainty
to which the mind ,15 reduced
by Eristic. Cf. Thezet. 165 ο:
ἐν φρέατι συνέχομενος. Ar. Eth.
Nic. VII. 3: δέδεται yap ἡ διά-
νοια, ὅταν μένειν μὲν μὴ βούληται
διὰ τὸ μὴ ἀρέσκειν τὸ συμπεραν-
θὲν, προιέναι δὲ μὴ δύνηται διὰ τὸ
μὴ λῦσαι ἔχειν τὸν λόγον.
6. ὃ λόγος οὗτος] Se. ψευδῆ
ὄντως εἶναι. Of. Rep. 4, 440 ἃ:
οὗτος μέντοι, ἔφη, ὃ λόγος ση-
μαίνει κιτ.λ.
8. παισὶν μὲν [ἡμῖν] οὖσιν, ἀρχό-
μενος δὲ καὶ διὰ τέλους] ““Τῦ was
in our boyhood that we heard
him, but he never ceased to
inculeate the same _ lesson.”
The Stranger means to inti-
mate that although he was
young when he heard Parme-
nides he had good reason to
remember this warning. ἡμῖν,
omitted in most MSS., is read
for μέν in ΞΒ ΟἹ: &, with the
edition of Stephanus, giving
also ye for δέ. Hence Bekker
reads παισὶν ἡμῖν οὖσιν ἀρχόμενός
τε καὶ διὰ τέλους,
For how
can we
affirm the
existence of
these, with-
out contra-
dicting the
principle
which Par-
menides
taught us,
* What is
not, never
will be
found to
be 2”
82
> / \ \ \ / ΄ > /
ἄρχομενος δὲ καὶ διὰ τέλους τοῦτο ἀπεμαρτύρατο, Pp. 237. [
ΠΛΑΤΏΩΏΝΟΣ
Gh 58 CLE λέ Ν Ν , ov"
EQ) TE WOE EKAOTOTE AEY@V καὶ μετὰ HET P
> ‘ , a9 » r " > <.are Ἔ
οὐ γὰρ μή ποτε TOUT Τοὐδαμηϊ, φησίν, εἶναι μὴ ἐόντα
ἀλλὰ σὺ τῆσδ᾽ ἀφ᾽ ὁδοῦ διζήμενος εἶργε νόημα.
’ « / x, N Ἃ
πάντων ὁ λογος avTOS ἂν
I. τοῦτο ἀπεμαρτύρατο] Se.
μὴ τὸ μὴ ὃν εἶναι. ““ Uttered
his testimony against this.”
3. τοῦτ᾽ Τοὐδαμῇ}} The quo-
tation occurs in the same form
in the criticism of this passage
by Aristotle in Met. XIII.
1089 a (ullo modo, Bessar.
vers.), with the various read-
ings δαμῆ E., δυνάμει T., μὴ
δαμῆ Alex. Heindorf’s conjec-
ture, δαῆς, has been adopted
by the Zurich editors, and by
Mullach (Fragmenta Philoso-
phorum), who, however, ex-
presses a doubt. Wagner, in
Rhein. Museum, suggested λά-
Ans. The conjecture φανῇ has
occurred independently to the
present editor and to Ueber-
weg, who also suggests δα-
[Soa Οἱ tr 2γο'α: καθ
ἅπερ ἂν αὐτῶν θάτερον εἴτε ἀμυ-
δρότερον εἴτε σαφέστερον ἄνα-
φαίνηται, καὶ θάτερον οὕτως ἀνα-
φαίνεσθαι. 258 d (where the
lines are quoted again) : Ἡμεῖς
δέ ye οὐ μόνον ws ἔστι τὰ μὴ ὄντα
ἀπεδείξαμεν, ἀλλὰ καὶ τὸ εἶδος ὃ
τυγχάνει ὃν τοῦ μὴ ὄντος ἀπεφη-
νάμεθα. 10. 6: Μὴ τοίνυν ἡμᾶς
εἴπῃ τις ὅτι τοὐναντίον τοῦ ὄντος
τὸ μὴ ὃν ἀποφαινόμενοι τολμῶ-
μεν λέγειν ὡς ἔστιν. ΤΌ. ἃ: ἡ
θατέρου φύσις ἐφάνη τῶν ὄντων
Legg. 7, 818 b: οὐδὲ
θεὸς ἀνάγκῃ μή ποτε φανῇ μαχό-
μενος. Tuep. 7, ΒΡ Θ᾿ μη
οὖσα.
3 lal ’, ’ Ἀ
5παρ᾽ ἐκείνου τε οὖν μαρτυρεῖται, καὶ μάλιστα γε δὴ
δηλώσειε μέτρια βασανι-
ποτε φανῇ. Karsten, followed
by Stallbaum, defends the text
on the ground that Parmeni-
des is said to have given the
maxim both in verse and
prose. But it is puerile to
imagine that he spoke verse
and prose in the same breath,
or that Plato would quote a
conversational as part of a
written utterance. It is cer-
tainly remarkable that the
same corruption should be
found in the copies of Plato
and Aristotle.
4. SuGjpevos] This is the
reading of all the MSS. in
this place. In the later pas-
sage, 258 d, where the words
are again quoted, διζήμενος is
read in Οἱ H. and Corr. B.:
μενος
=. has διζήσιος : the rest διζή-
aus. The latter is probably
Parmenides’ word ; but it is
possible that Plato may have
substituted the more prosaic
διζήμενος for this, as in Theet.
173 6, in the quotation from
Pindar, φέρεται is probably
substituted for πέτεται. The
MS. reading is, therefore, re-
tained in the text.
6. ὁ λόγος αὐτὸς] οὗτος Bodl.
ΤΔΗ et pr. B. But see Theet.
151 a, αὐτοί, and note. The
variation is probably due to
ὁ λόγος οὗτος above. ὁ λόγος,
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
σοι διαφέρει.
85
/ m9 3 SIN a 4 > ΄ /
), 237. σθείς. τοῦτ᾽ οὖν αὐτὸ πρῶτον θεασώμεθα, εἰ μὴ τί
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ μὲν ἐμὸν ὅπῃ βούλει τίθεσο, τὸν δὲ
/ > / “ » /
Aoyov, 7 βέλτιστα διέξεισι, σκοπῶν αὐτὸς TE
ἴθι
» ‘ A / ‘ ε Ν yf
καμε KATA ταύτην THY OOOV AYE.
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ χρὴ δρᾷν ταῦτα. Kai μοι λέγε:
μηδαμῶς ὃν τολμῶμέν που φθέγγεσθαι ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς γὰρ οὔ;
SE. Μὴ τοίνυν ἔριδος ἕνεκα μηδὲ παιδιᾶς, ἀλλ᾽
> a / [4 4 > / a
εἰ σπουδῇ δέοι συννοήσαντά τινα ἀποφήνασθαι τῶν
3 col a \ 3, ΕῚ ,ὔ a \ \ +
ἀκροατῶν, ποῖ χρὴ τοὔνομ᾽ ἐπιφέρειν τοῦτο TO μὴ OV"
Viz. τὸ μὴ ὃν εἶναι. For αὐτὸς ἂν
δηλώσειε, cf. Thexet. 201 a: τάχ᾽
ἂν----οαὐτὸ φήνειε τὸ ζητούμενον.
8. Τὸ μὲν ἐμὸν ὅπῃ βούλει]
Referring to the courteous
phrase εἰ μή τί σοι διαφέρει.
Cf. Rep. 4, 432 Ὁ:
μένῳ χρῆ καὶ τὰ δεικνύμενα δυ-
ναμένῳ καθορᾷν, πάνυ μετρίως
χρήσει. And, for διέξεισι, cf.
27 c
ἐᾶν μοι ἑπο-
Rep. 6, 484 ἃ: διὰ μακροῦ τινος.
“διεξελθόντος λόγου.
η. φθέγγεσθαι] “ We are not
afraid to use the expression.”
Cf. Lege. 2, 655d: τοῦτο--- οὐδ᾽
ὅσιον τὸ παράπαν φθέγγεσθαι.
9. Μὴ τοίνυν --- παιδιᾶς] Cf.
Theet. 155 a: οὐ δυσκολαίνον--
τες ἀλλὰ τῷ ὄντι ἡμᾶς αὐτοὺς
ἐξετάζοντες. ib. 169 ὁ : καί μοι
πάνυ τήρει τὸ τοιόνδε, μή που
εἶδος τῶν
λόγων ποιούμενοι. The words
here are not ironical, but
mark the real importance of
the inquiry. The sentence is
broken by the introduction
of the supposition, “ Let us
not put the question in a
spirit of strife or mockery,
but suppose one of the hear-
M
παιδικόν τι λάθωμεν
ers of Parmenides had _ seri-
ously to point out, after re-
flection, to what this name
Not-Being must be given,
to what object or kind of
objects do we imagine he
would be able himself to ap-
ply the term, and to direct the
questioner to do 80 1) Par-
menides is conceived as thus
questioning one of his hearers
in defence of his thesis. It is
also possible to make the first
clause a part of the supposi-
tion: “Suppose one of the
hearers were asked, not in a
spirit of strife or mockery,
but in good earnest, to give
his matured opinion.” But the
sentence when thus rendered,
though more grammatical, is
less conversational. Compare
Phileb. 446: δεῖ δή σε, ὦ Ipa-
ταρχε, καθάπερ ἐμοί, καὶ τούτοις
τοῖς δυσχεραίνουσιν ἀποκρίνεσθαι.
Rep. 7, 516 6.
10. ἀποφήνασθαι] The Bodl.,
with corr. Al and pr. BE, has
ἀποκρίνασθαι, which is probably
a corruption arising out of the
kp in ἀκροατῶν.
2
~
Let us
calmly
consider
this point,
by analyz-
ing the
assertion—
« Not-
10 Being is.”
ΤΆ Parme-
nides had
asked, Of
what is
Non-exist-
ence pre-
dicable ?
what
should we
reply ?
Certainly
not of any
84
» κι ry 4 A Sus,
ἔχειν δοκοῦμεν ἂν εἰς τί καὶ ἐπὶ ποῖον αὐτὸν TE κατα- p. 237.
IMAATQNOZ
joacbar καὶ τῷ πυνθανομένῳ δεικνύναι ;
χρῆσασ αἱ και T@ TT UV ανομένῳ εἰκνυναι 5
ΘΕΑΙ. Χαλεπὸν ἤρου καὶ σχεδὸν εἰπεῖν οἵῳ γε
3 Ν / 5,
E€MOL πτανταπασιν aTropov.
SE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὖν τοῦτό ye δῆλον,
v4 a JA
OTL TOV οντῶν
ΕΓ» ἐν VAX ᾽ 5 /
ἐστι TL TO μὴ OV οὐκ οἰστεον.-
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ ἂν ;
— > a > / ᾽ x \ \
HE. Οὐκοῦν ἐπείπερ οὐκ ἐπὶ τὸ
ΕΣ x>~ δὼ (δ ‘
OV, OVO ἐπὶ TO
τὶ φέρων ὀρθῶς av τις φέροι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Tas δή;
μ--ἰ a er 7 ε ἐν Ν
ΞΕ. Καὶ τοῦτο ἡμῖν που φανερόν, ὡς καὶ TO τὶ
1. ἔχε] The Bodl. and
Vat. have 7: six other MSS.
ὅτι : Ven. Π. me ἔχειν : the
other nine have ἔχειν. Stall-
baum has adopted the Bod-
leian reading, and translates :
“Quid censemus? cuinam rei
et quali designando eum pu-
tamus et ipsum illud adhibi-
turum et quzrenti demon-
straturum ?” But he has not
satisfactorily accounted for the
appearance of ἔχειν, which
makes perfectly good sense.
For the emphatic position of
eis τί, cf. Prot. 318d: Ἱπποκρά-
της--- βελτίων ἄπεισι γενόμενος Kal
- ἐπιδώσει εἰς τί, ὦ Πρωταγόρα,
also Polit. 265
Kal περὶ τοῦ:
6: ὁ πολιτικὸς ἄρ᾽ ἐπιμέλειαν
ἔχειν φαίνεται πότερα κ.τ. A.
The two next clauses present
equally curious instances of
inversion. Cf. also Legg. 6, 776
d: εἰς ἃ καὶ πάντα τὰ τοιαῦτα
βλέψαντας ἡμᾶς τί χρὴ ποιεῖν
περὶ κτήσεως οἰκετῶν ;
2. δεικνύναι] Se.
ἐπιφέρειν.
5. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὖν τοῦτό γε] Loe.
to whatever else the term μὴ
ὡς χρείη
ὃν may be referred, it cannot
be to any existing thing.
τῶν ὄντων ἐπί tt] ‘The
reading of Ven. II. and seven
other MSS. The Bodleian
has enl.
8. οὐδ᾽ ἐπὶ τὸ τὶ φέρων] CF.
for similar examples of ex-
treme analysis, Parm. 161 a:
ei δὲ TO ἕν ἐκεῖνο Kal μὴ ἄλλο
ὑποκεῖται μὴ εἶναι καὶ τοῦ ἐκείνου
καὶ ἄλλων πόλλων ἀνάγκη αὐτῷ
μετεῖναι. Thert. 157 Ὁ, 202 a.
Also Parm. 164 b: τί δέ; τὸ
ἐκείνου ἢ TO ἐκείνῳ, ἢ TO Ti ἢ TO
a x A ΄ “Δ 2 a
τοῦτο ἢ TO τούτου, ἢ ἄλλου ἢ
ἄλλῳ, ἢ ποτὲ ἢ ἔ ἢ νῦ
ω, ἢ ἢ ἔπειτα ἢ νῦν,
3 > ΄ Ἂ ΄ x wy a
ἢ ἐπιστήμη ἢ δόξα ἢ αἴσθησις ἢ
λόγος ἢ ὄνομα ἢ ἄλλο ὁτιοῦν τῶν
ὄντων περὶ τὸ μὴ ὃν ἔσται;
which, however, is rather par-
allel to the next ἀπορία.
11. Kal τοῦτο ἡμῖν που φανερόν]
“This also is surely plain to
us.” καὶ refers to τοῦτό ye δῆλον
above.
τὸ τὶ τοῦτο ῥῆμα!͵ ‘This
word “something.” ῥῆμα seems
to be thrown in by an after-
thought, for the sake of ex-
plicitness ; so giving τὶ the
Ρ. 237. τοῦτο ῥῆμα ἐπ᾽ ὄντι λέγομεν ἑκάστοτε' μόνον γὰρ
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 85
> Ν / “ Ν / \
αὐτὸ λέγειν, ὥσπερ γυμνὸν καὶ ἀπηρημωμένον ἀπὸ
a ᾿, « / > ᾽ὔ 9) ,
TOV ὄντων ἁπάντων, ἀδύνατον. ἡ Yap ;
OEAI. ᾿Αδύνατον.
EE. Ἄρα τῇδε σκοπῶν ξύμφης ὡς ἀνάγκη τόν
’ a 4 /
τι λέγοντα ἐν γέ τι λέγειν ;
ΘΕΑ,ΑΙ. Οὕτως.
HE. Ἑνὸς γὰρ δὴ τό γε τὶ φήσεις σημεῖον εἶναι,
Ν \ \ lal XN \ \ “
τὸ δὲ τινὲ δυοῖν, τὸ δὲ τινὲς πολλῶν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς γὰρ οὔ:
\ ε
HE. Τὸν δὲ δὴ μή τι λέγοντα ἀναγκαιότατον, ὡς
μ᾿ ΄ \ /
EOLKE, παντάπασι μηδὲν λέγειν.
OEAI. ᾿Αναγκαιότατον μὲν οὖν.
Lara 5) 591 eric > a\ a , \ \
=H. “Ap οὖν οὐδὲ τοῦτο συγχωρητέον, τὸ τὸν τοι-
οὔτον λέγειν μέν {τιΐ, λέγειν μέντοι μηδέν, ἀλλ᾽ οὐδὲ
λέγειν φατέον, ὅς γ᾽ ἂν ἐπιχειρῇ μὴ ὃν φθέγγεσθαι ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τέλος γοῦν ἂν ἀπορίας ὃ λόγος ἔχοι.
force of an adjective, as in such
expressions as ἡ Αἴτωλις αὕτη
yun. Heindorf conjectures τὸ
ῥῆμα, which appears in two
MSS. Stallbaum renders ῥῆμα
ἐπ᾿ ὄντι “as a predicate of
being.”
15. λέγειν [μέν] Fret] τι, which
appears in all the MSS., is not
wanted, and, if genuine, is
used in common parlance (cf.
Supr. 236 6, λέγειν μὲν ἄττα)
without reference to the pre-
ceding argument, just as the
ordinary sense of εἶναι, δοκεῖν,
etc., is often found within a
few lines of the technical use
of the same words. μέν, which
the Bodleian (not however Vat.
A.) omits, is probably right,
though the omission may be
defended from Thezt. 160 Ὁ :
αἰσθανόμενον yap, μηδενὸς δὲ
10. : γλυκὺ γὰρ,
μηδενὶ δὲ γλυκύ.
μηδὲν] I. 6. μηδὲ ἕν. The
argument from μὴ τοίνυν may
be thus resumed.—What is
denoted by μὴ évt No exist-
ing thing: and therefore not
something : for every “ some-
thing” exists: therefore, ὁ μὴ
τι λέγε. But
every something is some one
thing: therefore, ὁ μή τι λέ-
yov οὐδὲν λέγει. But (6 οὐδὲν
λέγων) he who says nothing,
does not say at all: there-
fore 6 μὴ dv λέγων οὐδὲ λέγει.
Compare Parm. 144 ο, Theet.
189 e.
17. Τέλος γοῦν ἂν ἀπορίας 6
9 ,΄
αἰσθανόμενον.
ὃν λέγων οὔ
σι
bdo)
being—nor
of some-
thing. For
“some”
implies
being. But
“not-some”
is “ none,”
and to
speak none
is not to
speak,
There fol-
lows a
Se at ee σ5
graver dif-
ficulty. If
Not-Being
is not pre-
dicable,
neither is
aught pre-
dicable of
the non-
existent.
And yet
Not-Being
cannot be
uttered
or even
thought,
without
implying
predicates,
such as
unity or
plurality,
which im-
ply num-
ber, which
implies
being.
86
ΞΕ. Μήπω μέγ᾽ εἴπῃς" ἔτι yap, ὦ μακάριε, ἔστι, p. 2538}
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
Ν “ 4 fal ΄“ Ν /
καὶ ταῦτα γε τῶν ἀποριῶν ἡ μεγίστη καὶ πρώτη.
\ \ σ΄ Ν 53 /
περὶ γὰρ αὐτὴν αὐτοῦ τὴν ἀρχὴν οὖσα τυγχάνει.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς his; λέγε καὶ μηδὲν ἀποκνήσῃς.
Lars) yo \ vy A / > 37 a
=. To μεν OVTL TOV TPODyEVOIT ἂν TL τῶν
yA aS
OVT@V ετέρον.
ΘΈΑΙ. Πῶς yap ov;
EE. Μὴ ὄντι δέ τι τῶν ὄντων apa προσγίγνε-
σθαι φήσομεν δυνατὸν εἶναι ;
OEAI. Καὶ πώς:
EE. ᾿Αριθμὸν δὴ τὸν ξύμπαντα τῶν ὄντων τίθεμεν.
OEAI. EZ πέρ γε καὶ ἄλλο τι θετέον ὡς ov.
EE. Μὴ τοίνυν μηδ᾽ ἐπιχειρῶμεν ἀριθμοῦ μήτε
to / NA XN SS \ xX 7
πλῆθος μὴτε TO EV πρὸς TO μὴ ὃν προσφέρειν.
λόγος ἔχοι] ὁ λόγος, SC. τὸ μὴ
ὃν εἶναι, aS appears from αὐτοῦ
(sc. τοῦ λόγου) below. “ The
saying must surely be thus
reduced to the last stage of
difficulty.”
I. Μήπω μέγ᾽ εἴπῃ) There
is a tragic tone in the expres-
sion. Cf. Legg. 1,638 a: ὦ
ἄριστε, μὴ λέγε ταῦτα.
ὦ μακάριε] “Mysimple friend !”
Cf. Crat. 414 ¢: ὦ μακάριε, οὐκ
οἶσθ᾽ ὅτι k.T.A.
ἔστι] Sc. ἀπορία, to be sup-
plied from ἀποριῶν below.
3. περὶ αὐτὴν αὐτοῦ τὴν ἀρχὴν]
One which affects the very be-
ginning of the whole matter,
i. e. enters into the substance of
the term itself, μὴ ὄν. Cf.
supr. 233 d: τὴν ἀρχὴν --- τοῦ
λεχθέντος --- ἀγνοεῖς. The diffi-
culty is this: the word μὴ ὃν
or μὴ ὄντα cannot be uttered
or thought without a contra-
diction: for μὴ ὃν has num-
ber, being singular, and μὴ
ὄντα has also number, being
plural : and number is exist-
ence: therefore, in uttering
or thinking the word μὴ ὃν
or μὴ ὄντα we attach existence
to non-existence. In the for-
mer ἀπορία it was shewn that
non-existence could not be an
attribute. Here it is denied
that non-existence can be the
subject of any attribute: and
yet the word cannot be ut-
tered without implying attri-
butes, such as unity or plu-
rality. Cf. Parm. 164 b, quoted
above, note on p. 84, 1. 8.
12. Εἴ πέρ ye καὶ ἄλλο τι] 1.6.
That is most real of which we
have the most distinct con-
ception, and our conception
of number is most distinct.
This is one of the Pythago-
rean or later Platonic touches,
which become more frequent in
the Politicus.
b
p- 238.
d
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 87
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὔκουν ἂν ὀρθῶς γε, ὡς ἔοικεν, ἐπιχει-
ροῖμεν, ὥς φησιν ὁ λόγος.
BE. Πῶς οὖν ἂν 7 διὰ τοῦ στόματος φθέγξαιτ᾽
y+ Ἃ Ν “- 7 Ν ΄, ΄ \ \
av τις ἢ καὶ TH διανοίᾳ τὸ παράπαν λάβοι τὰ μὴ
2, Ἂ SS VN oN Ν > ~
ὄντα ἢ TO μὴ OV χωρὶς ἀριθμοῦ ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγε, πῇ:
δ εν \ A / 3 ᾽ “
SE. Μὴ ὄντα μὲν ἐπειδὰν λέγωμεν, apa οὐ TAN-
θος ἐπιχειροῦμεν ἀριθμοῦ προστιθέναι ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί μήν ;
ἌΝ. "ὃν 53 A 3
BE. Μὴ ὃν δέ, ἄρα οὐ τὸ ἕν αὖ;
OEAI. Σαφέστατά γε.
BE. Καὶ μὴν οὔτε δίκαιόν γε οὔτ᾽ ὀρθόν φαμεν
ὃν ἐπιχειρεῖν μὴ ὄντι προσαρμόττειν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγεις ἀληθέστατα.
EE. Συννοεῖς οὖν ὡς οὔτε φθέγξασθαι δυνατὸν τ5 Not-Being
> a SE) 9 ΄σ yf lo Ν \ * SN
ορθῶς ovr εἰπεῖν ovTE διανοηθῆναι TO μὴ ὃν αὐτὸ
> 5 / > 8 0) > ΄ ῇ Ν aS Ν
καθ᾽ αὐτο, ἀλλ᾽ ἐστιν ἀδιανοητὸν τε καὶ ἄρρητον καὶ
ἀφθεγκτον καὶ ἄλογον :
ΘΈΑΙ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
is therefore
unutter-
able and
inconcely-
able.
μι 3 » 5 ΄, 5, , XN
EE. “Ap οὖν ἐψευσάμην ἄρτι λέγων τὴν μεγί- 20 But the
/ lal 5 a /
στὴν ἀπορίαν ἐρεῖν αὐτου πέρι»
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δέ;
y
EXOLED 5
yay \ /
ἔτι μείζω τινὰ λέγειν ἄλλην
—= / 7 S id > 3 ΄σ » na ΄
ΞΕ. Τί δέ, ὦ θαυμάσιε; οὐκ ἐννοεῖς αὐτοῖς τοῖς
10, μὴ ὃν δὲ] Se. ἐπειδὰν λέ-
γωμεν.
15. Συννοεῖς] “ Do you gather
or collect” (as the sum of the
preceding remarks).
16. ὀρθῶ] Cf. ὀρθὸν supr.
That it can be uttered appears
from our using the expression.
Cf. supr. 237 Ὁ: τὸ μηδαμῶς ὃν
τολμῶμέν που φθέγγεσθαι.
αὐτὸ καθ᾽ αὐτό] Ι. 6, Not
to speak of using it as ἃ predi-
cate or subject.
17. ἀδιανόητον x.7.r.] “ Un-
thinkable, unspeakable, unut-
terable, and indescribable.”
20. “Ap οὖν} “ Was I then
wrong in saying just now that
I would tell you the greatest
difficulty ?” I.e. A greater is
behind.
24. Ti δέ, ὦ θαυμάσιε] 1. 6,
greatest
paradox is
still be-
hind,
As Not-
Being
cannot be
asserted or
receive at-
tributes, so
neither can
Not-Being
be denied.
For in say-
ing “it is
unspeak-
able,” &c.,
we attri-
bute Being
to it, and
also unity:
which this
very word
“it” im-
plies.
15
88
“ [2 Ν Ν » /
λεχθεῖσιν ὅτι καὶ τὸν ἐλέγχοντα εἰς ἀπορίαν καθί- p. 238.
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
X \ x» od σ ε / > Ns ’ a
σΤῆσι TO μὴ OV OUTMS WUTE, OTTOTAVY AUTO ETTLYXELPY)
3 / » / eK e “ > “ >
τις ἐλέγχειν, ἐναντία αὐτὸν αὑτῷ περὶ ἐκεῖνο ἀναγ-
κάζεσθαι λέγειν ;
8. ©EAI. Πῶς φῇς; εἰπὲ ἔτι σαφέστερον.
EE. Οὐδὲν δεῖ τὸ σαφέστερον ἐν ἐμοὶ σκοπεῖν.
5 \ \ A c / 3) ἘΌΝ Ε) ΄σ a
ἐγὼ μὲν yap ὑποθέμενος ovTE ἑνὸς οὔτε τῶν πολλῶν
Ν \ ΕΝ lo 7 357 Ν ων “ A > Ν
ΤῸ μὴ ον δεῖν μετέχειν, APTL TE και νυν OUTWS ἐν αὑτὸ
εἴρηκα" τὸ μὴ ὃν γὰρ φημί.
10 ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
ξυνιεῖς τοι ;
ΞΕ. Καὶ μὴν αὖ καὶ σμικρὸν ἔμπροσθεν ἀφθεγ-
΄ SN Ν 396: Ν yy yy 53
KTOV τε αὑτὸ καὶ ἄρρητον καὶ ἄλογον ἐφὴν εἰναι.
ξυνέπει :
ΘΕΑΙ. Zuveropuai πως.
aE Ov la , 53 7 /
414. Ouxovy To ye εἰναι προσάπτειν πειρώμενος
3 / 5 / »
ἐναντία τοῖς προσθεν ἐλεγον ;
“T am surprised that you do
not see.”
(24.) αὐτοῖς τοῖς λεχθεῖσιν |
Either the dative is governed
by ἐν in ἐννοεῖς, “Do you not
see that this is implied even in
what has been said?” cf. supr.
223 ¢, ἐν τοῖς πρόσθεν εἰρημένοις
φάντασμα παρέχεται K.T.A. ; OF
(Heind. Stallb.) αὐτοῖς τοῖς λε-
χθεῖσιν -- καὶ ἐκ τῶν λεχθέντων.
Cf. Xen. Cyrop. 8, 1, 37% τοῖς
προειρημένοις δῆλον.
I. καὶ τὸν ἐλέγχοντα! “Νού-
Being reduces its opponent,
equally with its supporter,
to the same straits,” i. e.
can neither be asserted nor
denied. In the spirit of the
Parmenides, Plato here points
out that Not-Being neither is
nor is not. Compare also
Theetetus, 183 a, b.. This ar-
gument has an important bear-
ing on the whole dialogue.
The impossibility of criticising
Not-Being when conceived ab-
solutely leads to the necessity
of modifying the conception of
Negation.
3. ἐκεῖνο] This pronoun is
used for the sake of distinct-
ness to prevent the further
repetition of αὐτός with refer-
ence to a different subject.
8. ἄρτι] Supr. eis ἀπορίαν καθ-
ἰστησι TO μὴ ὄν.
νῦν οὕτως] Viz. in the pre-
vious clause, τὸ μὴ ὃν δεῖν μετέ-
χειν.
9. ξυνιεῖς τοι ;| “ You surely
understand ?” Cf. Thezet.155 ¢:
ἕπει yap που, ὦ Θ. τί ESYb,
whence Stallb. τι. Cf Men.
76 d: ξυνὲς 6 τοι λέγω (Pind.)
15. τό ye εἶναι] This refers,
). 230.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ:
SEAL. Paive.
89
BE. Ti δέ; τοῦτο προσάπτων οὐχ ws ἑνὶ διελε-
γόμην ;
ΘΕΑ,ΑΙ. Nai.
» / A Ν
BE. Καὶ μὴν ἄλογόν τε λέγων καὶ ἄρρητον καὶ 5
3» id Ν a ΝΣ U > /
ἀφθεγκτον ws ye πρὸς ἐν Tov λόγον ἐποιούμην.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς δ᾽ οὔ;
EE. Φαμὲν δέ γε δεῖν, εἴπερ ὀρθῶς τις λέζει,
μήτε ὡς ev μήτε ὡς πολλὰ διορίζειν αὐτό, μηδὲ τὸ
7 2 XN ae ΟῸΝ Ν 5) Ν \ /
παράπαν αὐτο καλεῖν" ἐνὸς yap εἴδει καὶ κατὰ TAU- το
ΩΝ Χ / ,
THY QV Τὴν 7 POG pHnatVv προσαγορεύοιτο.
not, as Stallbaum says, to the
preceding predicates generally,
but to the word εἶναι in the
previous sentence and ἔστιν
supra.
(16.) ἐναντία τοῖς πρόσθεν]
Supr. 238 a: Μὴ ὄντι δέ τι τῶν
ὄντων dpa προσγίγνεσθαι φήσομεν
δυνατὸν εἶναι; Καὶ πῶς ;
2. τοῦτο προσάπτων] “In the
act of applying Being to Not-
Being, I addressed the latter
as one,” Viz. in using the sin-
gular verb ἔστιν : supr.c. ἑνὶ
is governed by διελεγόμην, not,
as Stallb. says, by προσάπτων
understood. “ Did I not talk
with it as one?” διαλέγεσθαι is
substituted, with a touch of
liveliness, for προσαγορεύειν.
9. μηδὲ τὸ παράπαν αὐτὸ κα-
λεῖ}] Cf. Theet. 202 a: οὐδὲ
TO αὐτὸ οὐδὲ TO ἐκεῖνο οὐδὲ TO
ἕκαστον οὐδὲ τὸ μόνον οὐδὲ τοῦτο
προσοιστέον, οὐδ᾽ ἄλλα πολλὰ τοι-
aura,
10, ἑνὸς yap εἴδει] So Bod.
and A, the rest vary between ἔν
τε yap εἴδει (CTABC, corr. I.
pr. EF), & re γὰρ εἴδει (ZEYH),
and ἕν τε γὰρ ἤδη (i? pr. ΠῚ
edd. vett.), whence Heindorf
conjectured ἔν τι yap ἤδη,
which Bekker has adopted.
This deserves to be considered
as possibly right: especially
since the technical appearance
of εἴδει, when this had once
crept in, might give rise to
further corruption. But ὡς
seems to be required to com-
plete the sentence as it would
then stand: and the Bodleian
reading is therefore here re-
tained. It is unnecessary to
add ev with the Zurich editors:
the expression ἑνὸς εἴδει προσ-
αγορεύεσθαι = “to be spoken of
under a form of unity,” is
analogous to ὀνόματι or λόγῳ
προσαγορεύεσθα. Cf, Thest.
148 d: ὥσπερ ταύτας---ἑνὶ εἴδει
περιέλαβες, οὕτω
στήμας ἑνὶ λόγῳ προσειπεῖν.
Ib. 147 ἃ: συλλαβεῖν εἰς ἕν,
ὅτῳ προσαγορεύσομεν---τὰς δυνά-
pecs. Compare also Phileb.
64 6: εἰ μὴ μιᾷ δυνάμεθα idea
τὸ ἀγαθὸν θηρεῦσαι.
καὶ
᾿ \ 2
Kat Τὰς ετι-
κατὰ ταύτην τὴν πρόύσ-
ρησιν] Viz. in being called αὐτό.
This note, like some of the
But let the
youthful
might of
Theztetus
90
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασί γε.
ΠΛΑΤΏΩΏΝΟΣ
Ν \ » / M4 ͵ x /
BE. Tov μὲν τοίνυν ἐμέ ye ere tis ἂν λέγοι; Ὁ
\ ΄ Ν a « ,ὔ “Δ “ἤ Ν
καὶ γὰρ πάλαι καὶ τὰ νῦν ἡττημένον GY εὕροι περὶ
WV ΄- \ 7 57
TOV τοῦ μὴ οντος ἐλεγχον.
“ > y /
ὥστε ἐν ἐμοιγε λέγοντι;
΄ 3 \ a \ ᾽ 7 \
sKa0amep εἶπον, μὴ σκοπῶμεν THY ὀρθολογίαν περὶ
Ν Ν yw 3 \ cal /
TO μὴ OV, GAN εἰα On, viv ἐν σοὶ σκεψώμεθα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς φής:
ἸΞΗ ἢ "16 fol. 7x 3 Ν / “ / 4 “
oy lL NUW εὖ και YEVVALWS, ATE νεὸς WY, O TL
aN ὃ 74 / 10 / 3 /
μαλιστα OVVATAL DVVTELVAS TIELPAUNTL, [LITE OVOLAV
preceding, would have been
unnecessary, but for that of
Stallbaum, who renders: “Si
modo nomine aliquo designe-
tur.”
2. Tov ἐμὲ] Cf. Theet. 166 a,
Phileb. 20 b.
τίς ἂν λέγοι :] ‘Who would
any longer take account of
me?” This reading is sup-
ported by nine MSS. (Bodl.
ἐμέτετιτίς), and is preferable to
that of the editions: τί τις ἂν
λέγοι. But if the latter is ac-
cepted, it means not “what
is to be said of me?” but
“why should any one speak
of,” or “take account of, me?”
Cf. supr. 224 a, λέγωμεν, and
note.
3. καὶ----πάλαι καὶ τανῦν] CF.
Theet. 187 d: θράττει μέ πως
νῦν τε καὶ ἄλλοτε πολλάκις, ὥστε
ἐν ἀπορίᾳ πολλῇ πρὸς ἐμαυτὸν καὶ
πρὸς ἄλλον γεγονέναι κ.τ.λ.
4. ἐν ἔμοιγε λέγοντι---ἔν σοι]
“Let us not study from my
mouth the right mode of ex-
pression about Not-Being, but
let us make the experiment
On πος (δ᾽ ἘΙΘΡΡ, ΤΠπ ἃ:
Εἰ βούλει, ἔφη, ἐπ᾽ ἐμοῦ λέγειν.
5. καθάπερ εἶπον] Viz. supr.:
Οὐδὲν δεῖ τὸ σαφέστερον ἐν ἐμοὶ
Perhaps in λέγοντι
there is a false echo from λέγοι.
6. εἶα δὴ] So Zi, with the
old editions. The expression
is “tragic,” like Μήπω μέγ᾽ εἴπης,
supr. 238 a; and does not ap-
pear too strong when compared
with what immediately follows.
The reading of most MSS., ἔα
δὴ, is less spirited, and the con-
struction ἔα σκεψώμεθα 15 ques-
tionable.
8. “Idi—atrov] ‘ You have
all the noble enthusiasm of
youth. Come then, endeavour
with all your might to make
some right utterance about
Not-Being, without attaching
to it either substance or unity
or plurality.” “I should be
possessed with a strange eager-
ness in making the attempt
were I to try my hand when
I see you in such extremity.”
ἅτε νέος ὼν---πειράθητι] For
a slightly different touch of
ironical playfulness, (turning
on the easiness and not, as
here, on the difficulty of the
question asked,) cf. Phileb. 65 Ὁ:
βλέψας εἰς τρία, νοῦν καὶ ἀλήθειαν
καὶ ἡδονὴν, πολὺν ἐπισχὼν χρόνον,
ἀπόκριναι σαυτῷ κ-τ.λ.
9. μήτε οὐσίαν----αὐτοῦ]! Com-
σκοπεῖν.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
91
0. 239. μήτε τὸ ἐν μήτε πλῆθος ἀριθμοῦ προστιθεὶς τῷ μὴ
ὄντι, κατὰ τὸ ὀρθὸν φθέγξασθαί τι περὶ αὐτοῦ.
OEAI. Πολλὴ μέντ᾽ ἄν με καὶ ἀτοπος ἔχοι προ-
/ a / > \ Ay? ¢ a ΄
θυμία τῆς ἐπιχειρήσεως, εἰ σε τοιαῦθ᾽ ὁρῶν πασχοντα
> ‘\ > /
QuTos ἐεπιίχειροιὴν.
al \ \ \ / a
BE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ εἰ δοκεῖ, σὲ μὲν καὶ ἐμε χαίρειν ἐῶμεν"
oo δ᾽ » ὃ 7 ὃ Qn rm of) 5 /
EWS QV τινι VVALEV Pov TOUT εντυγχάνωμεν,
μέχρι τούτου λέγωμεν ὡς παντὸς μᾶλλον πανούρ-
γως εἰς ἄπορον ὁ σοφιστὴς τόπον καταδέδυκεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ μάλα δὴ φαίνεται.
- BA / 5. Ν 37
HE. Tovyapovy εἴ τινα φήσομεν αὐτὸν ἔχειν φαν-
Χ / e 5 7 io / a
ταστικὴν TEXVNY, ῥᾳδίως εκ ταυτῆς τῆς χρείας τῶν
/ >’ / c cr > ᾽ / >
Aoyov ἀντιλαμβανόμενος ἡμῶν εἰς τουναντιον ἀπο-
pare Parmen. 161 a: εἰ μέντοι
μήτε TO ἕν μήτ᾽ ἐκεῖνο μὴ ἔσται,
ἀλλὰ περὶ ἄλλου του ὁ λόγος,
οὐδὲ φθέγγεσθαι δεῖ οὐδέν: εἰ δὲ
τὸ ἕν ἐκεῖνο καὶ μὴ ἄλλο ὑπόκειται
μὴ εἶναι, καὶ τοῦ ἐκείνου καὶ ἄλλων
πολλῶν ἀνάγκη αὐτῷ μετεῖναι.
2. κατὰ τὸ ὀρθόν] Cf. Thezet.
171 6: ἄδηλον εἰ καὶ παραθέο-
μεν τὸ ὀρθόν. Several MSS.
have κατὰ τὸν ὀρθὸν λόγον.
3. προθυμία τῆς ἐπιχειρήσεως]
Lit. ‘‘ forwardness in attempt-
ing:” gen. of respect. Cf.
Phaedo 99 Ὁ: πολλὴ ἂν καὶ pa-
κρὰ ῥᾳθυμία εἴη τοῦ λόγου.
8. παντὸς μᾶλλον καταδέδυκεν]
“has with unparalleled cunning
hid himself in a very trouble-
some cover.” Cf. Rep. 4, 432
c: δύσβατός γέ τις 6 τόπος φαί-
νεται καὶ ἐπίσκιος" ἔστι γοῦν σκο-
τεινὸς καὶ δυσδιερεύνητος. ἀλλὰ
γὰρ ὅμως ἰτέον.
11. Τοιγαροῦν ---- ἀποκρινεῖται |
“Therefore when we call his
art phantastic, by this method
he will easily grapple with us
N
and disarm us, asking, when
we call him an image-maker,
what we mean by an image
generally. We must consider,
then, Thezetetus, what answer
can be given to this question
of our sinewy foe.”
φανταστικὴν τέχνην] The main
argument is here resumed from
Ῥ. 236 ο.
12. ἐκ ταύτης τῆς χρείας] “Α-
vailing himself of this line of
argument.” Viz.: that just
indicated, by which appearance
is shewn to rest on Not-Being:
and Not-Being is proved to be
inconceivable. ἐκ here ex-
presses the means.
13. ἀντιλαμβανόμενος----λόγους]
“ He will grapple with us and
retort our argument upon us,
as it were binding our hands
behind our backs.” The implied
metaphor In ἀντιλαμβάνεσθαι----
used frequently of an objector’s
arguments—suggests the bolder
image taken from the common
expression ἀποστρέψαι τινὸς τὰς
fo)
try to in-
vent some
more ac-
curate ex-
pression.
Tf this be
impossible,
the Sophist
must be
allowed to
have hid
himself in
a very
TO « dark
tower.”
For if ac-
cused of
“ phantas-
tic” or of
image-
making,
he will ask
“What is
an image?”
And if we
answer ‘fa
reflection,
mould, or
picture,”
he will
make as if
he were
blind, and
ask for a
definition
that does
not need
the help of
visible
examples.
92 ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
/ A / “ 5 \ ᾽ Ν ΄σ'
στρέψει τοὺς λόγους, ὅταν εἰδωλοποιὸν αὐτὸν καλῶ- p. 239. ἢ
> lal Ν / 5, ᾽’,
μεν, ἀνερωτῶν τί ποτε τὸ παράπαν εἴδωλον λέγομεν.
- 3 3 / / / “ , ‘
σκοπεῖν οὖν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, χρή; TL τις τῷ νεανίᾳ πρὸς
Ν > / lal
TO ἐρωτώμενον ἀποκρινεῖται.
a “ / 7 > lal “ὕ
5. OEAT. Δῆλον ὅτι φήσομεν τά τε ἐν τοῖς ὕδασι
Ν / 7 “ 27 ἈΝ Ν / Ν x
καὶ κατόπτροις ELOWAG, ETL καὶ τὰ γεγραμμένα καὶ TA
΄ Ν 53 “ re, Lf >
TeTUT@pEVaA Kal τάλλα, OTH TOU τοιαῦτα εστιν
ἕτερα;
EE. Φανερός, ὦ Θεαΐτητε, εἶ σοφιστὴν οὐχ ἑω- ὁ
ιορακώς.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δή ; ;
’, 7 Ὁ / > 27
ΞΕ. Δόξει σοι μύειν ἢ παντάπασιν οὐκ ἔχειν
δ΄
ομματα.
OEAT. Πως;
\ / 7 > > 5 Ν
15 EE. Τὴν ἀπόκρισιν ὅταν οὕτως αὐτῷ διδῷς, ἐὰν
» / Δ / / ΄ ΄
εν κατοπτροῖς ἢ πλάσμασι λέγῃς τι, καταγελάσεται
σου τῶν λόγων, ὅταν ws βλέποντι λέ αὐτῷ
ν λόγων, ὅταν ὡς π γῃς Dy
, 2, 7 57 v4 /
προσποιούμενος OUTE KATOTTTPQH OUTE ὕδατα γίγνω-
χεῖρας. Cf. Legg. τ,626 6: πάλιν
τὸν λόγον ἀναστρέψωμεν. I. 6.
“ Let us make the converse
statement.” Theet. τοι c:
πάντα petaotpepovta λόγον βα-
σανίζειν. τοὺς λόγους is brought
in παρὰ προσδοκίαν at the end
of the sentence. Compare the
metaphorical use of συμποδίζειν
and παραποδίζειν.
1. ὅταν εἰδωλοποιὸν] For the
double sentence (εἰ----ὅταν), cf.
Thezt. 199 Ὁ : érav—ére. So
also immediately below, where
ὅταν is resumed by ἐάν.
3. τῷ νεανίᾳ] Not necessarily
= homo protervus vel insolens
(Ast.). “This fine fellow.”
“The young man,” in a playful
sense. Cf. Rep. 8,549 b: Kat
ἔστι μὲν----τοιοῦτός τις 6 τιμοκρα-
Phedr. 257 d:
Τελοῖόν γ᾽, ὦ νεανία, τὸ δόγμα
Eur. Ale. 698 : ἢ τοῦ
καλοῦ σου προὔθανεν νεανίου.
12. Δόξει σοι μύειν] “ He will
seem as one who has his eyes
shut.” δοκεῖν is used here to
express an appearance volun-
tarily assumed. For μύειν, ef.
Thezt. 163 6 : ἢ καὶ μύσας.
16. ἢ πλάσμασι] Referring to
Ta γεγραμμένα καὶ τὰ τετυπωμένα
supra.
For ἐὰν resuming ὅταν, which
was doubted by Heindorf, ef.
Rep. 4, 445 a, Ὁ; Ib. 7, 529 Ὁ,
c—where there is similar va-
riation in resuming with ἐάν.
τικὸς νεανίας.
λέγεις.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 93
| ¥y Ἂν δ ΕΣ N
p. 240. OKELY οὗτε TO παράπαν ὄψιν, TO
/ /
ἐρωτήσει σε μόνον.
ΘΙΕΑΙ. ἸΠοῦον ;
> / c lol
ἠξίωσας ἑνὶ προσειπεῖν
ον lol « A
OwAov ἐπὶ πᾶσιν ὡς ἕν
τοιοῦτον ;
1. τὸ δ᾽ ἐκ τῶν λόγων] In
this, as in other respects, the
Sophistic method is the carica-
ture of that of Socrates. Cf.
Theet. 146, Meno 79. There
is a strong likeness between the
Sophist here described and the
πελταστικὸς ἀνὴρ μισθόφορος ἐν
λόγοις ἐρόμενος, with whom The-
ztetus is threatened by So-
crates in Theet. 165 c-e: and
there is certainly an analogy
between the method now satir-
ized and the ψιλοὶ λόγοι of
which Theodorus speaks in the
same dialogue (Theet. 165 a).
Contrast, however, with this
dialectical treatment of the
difficulties attending the con-
ception of Not-Being, the Hris-
tic use of the same question
by Euthydemus (Euthyd. 283
e—285 a) and the retort of
Socrates (ib. 286). The expres-
sion in the text perhaps in-
dicates a certain reaction from
the idea of basing knowledge
on purely abstract definitions.
Cf. supr. 234 e, and compare
the Euthydemus, especially
p- 290. For the use of ἐκ
(= What may be gathered
τ \ , \
SE. To διὰ πάντων τούτων, ἃ πολλὰ εἰπὼν
ὀνόματι,
+
ον.
\ « lal ἊΝ 3)
μηδὲν ὑποχωρῶν, τὸν ἀνδρα.
a 5 3, Ἂ a 3
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δῆτα, ὦ ξένε, εἴδωλον ἂν φαῖμεν εἶναι
’ Ν Ν 9 \ > / a
πλὴν ye TO πρὸς τάληθινον ἀφωμοιωμένον ἕτερον
» 3 ΄“ ͵ὔ
δ᾽ ἐκ τῶν Aoyav
What is
that one
nature, he
will ask,
in right
of which
these
various ob-
jects have
a common
name ?
φθεγξάμενος εἴ- 5
λέγε οὖν καὶ ἀμύνου,
Another
like thing
fashioned
from argument), οἵ, Gore. 516
d: οὐκ ap ἀγαθὸς τὰ πολιτικὰ
Περικλῆς ἢν ἐκ τούτου τοῦ λόγου.
Οὐ σύ γε φής. Μὰ Δί᾽, οὐδέ γε
σύ, ἐξ ὧν ὡμολόγεις.
The word is
here used in the more restricted
sense of “abstract reasoning.”
τῶν λόγων]
4. τὸ διὰ πάντων τούτων]
“That which interpenetrates
all these.” Cf. infr. 253 d:
μίαν ἰδέαν διὰ πολλῶν, ἑνὸς ἑκά-
στου κειμένου χωρίς, πάντῃ δια-
τεταμένην.
5. φθεγξάμενος----ν ὄν] The
common term is not dis-
tinguished from the common
nature.
7. tov ἄνδρα! The accusa-
tive is probably governed,
ὑπερβάτως, by ἀμύνου, accord-
ing to the inverted style
of these dialogues. Heindorf,
who connects ὑποχωρῶν τὸν
ἄνδρα, compares Phileb. 43 a:
ὑπεκστῆναι τὸν λόγον ἐπιφερόμε-
νον τοῦτον βούλομαι. But the
parallel is impaired by the
participle ἐπιφερόμενον.
9. πρὸς τἀληθινὸν a.] “ Fa-
shioned to the resemblance of
what is real.”
04 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
- \ ΒΕ , τὰ
after the EE. “Erepov δὲ λέγεις τοιοῦτον ἀληθινόν, ἢ ἐπὶ p. 240.1)
real : 5
Not likein τίνι TO τοιοῦτον εἶπτες 5 b
being real?
ΘΈΑΙ. Οὐδαμῶς ἀληθινόν ye, ἀλλ᾽ ἐοικὸς μέν.
EE. ἾΑρα τὸ ἀληθινὸν ὄντως ὃν λέγων ;
5 OEAI. Οὕτως.
EE. Ti δέ; τὸ μὴ ἀληθινὸν ap ἐναντίον ἀλη-
θοῦς ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί μήν;
> 4 pz oN ,ὔ / Ἂν Ἂς , yj
HE. Οὐκ *ovtas* ov apa λέγεις τὸ ἐοικός, εἴπερ
A likeness
is not real,
and yet it
has a sort > ἢ Nees τ am aes
of being. r10@uTo ye μὴ ἀληθινὸν ἐρεῖς.
OEAI. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐστί ye μήν Tos.
1. Ἕτερον---ἀληθινόν] “When
you say ‘such another, do you
mean another real thing?” Cf.
Rep. 1, 333 a: Ξυμβόλαια δὲ λέ-
yels κοινωνήματα, ἤ τι ἄλλο ;
3. ἐοικὸς μὲν] Subaud. ἀληθι-
νὸν © ov. Cf. Rep. 5, 475 d:
τούτους οὖν πάντας φιλοσόφους
φήσομεν ; Οὐδαμῶς, εἶπον, ἀλλ᾽
ὁμοίους μὲν φιλοσόφοις.
6. τὸ μὴ--- ἄρ᾽ ἐναντίον] This
rests on the conception of Not-
Being as the opposite of Being,
which it is one chief object of
this dialogue to modify. Hence
probably the emphasis (apa,
‘surely ?’) with which the ques-
tion is put and answered (ri
μήν ; ‘of course’). The phrase
εἰκὼν ὄντως occurs again in
Legg. 2, 668 d.
9. οὐκ *dvras* ὃν] The cor-
rection of the Zurich editors,
which is both clearly intelli-
gible and accounts for the va-
riety of readings. Bekker, with
most MSS., gives οὐκ dv; Bodl.
ΔΙ, οὐκ ὄντων οὐκ ὃν : H, οὐκ
ὄντως οὐκ ov: Proclus, οὐκ ὄντος
οὐκ ὃν. The reading οἵ &,
which Hermann has adopted,
is too abrupt an inference from
the preceding lines, and antici-
pates the point which is made
afterwards. αὐτὸ is unemphatic,
and ye is to be taken closely
with εἴπερ as modifying the
whole clause. “ You mean
then by an image what is not
really existent, if, at least, you
will speak of it as unreal.”
Another way of correcting the
passage is to read ὄντων οὐκ ὃν:
“An image is of realities, but
itself unreal.” αὐτὸ would then
be emphatic. But the former
mode is simpler, and therefore
better.
11. OE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἔστι ye μήν πως]
This arrangement of the speak-
ers is due to Οὐ. Ε΄, Hermann.
The other editions and MSS.
give ἀλλ᾽ ἔστι ye μήν to the
Stranger. To which Theztetus
answers mas; but receives no
direct reply. This awkward-
ness is avoided by Hermann’s
arrangement ; and Theztetus
is led to admit in so many
words ὅτε ἡ εἰκὼν ἔστιν οὐκ ὃν.
Thus a point is covertly made
towards the main argument.
). 240.
ο
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
EE. Οὔκουν ἀληθῶς γε, φῇς.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐ γὰρ οὖν: πλήν γ᾽ εἰκὼν ὄντως.
μ- > ΕΝ SYA > ” > Ν "7 Δ
ΞΕ, Οὐκ OV apa Οὐκ OVT@S EOTLY OVTMS ἢν
/ /
λέγομεν εἰκονα 5
ΘΕΑΙ. Κινδυνεύει τοιαύτην τινὰ πεπλέχθαι συμ-
N\ \ XN oS n~ Wf Ν , 5)
πλοκὴν τὸ μὴ OV τῷ OVTL, καὶ μάλα αἀτοπον.
=E Ila A > yf < « lal a a Ν
ey Je Ws yap οὐκ aTOTTOV 5 Ορᾷς yovv OTL Και
a lal > / ε
νῦν διὰ τῆς ἐπαλλάξεως ταύτης ὁ πολυκέφαλος
c a ΕΝ «
σοφιστὴς ἠνάγκακεν ἡμᾶς τὸ μὴ ὃν οὐχ ἑκόντας
ε la οἰ /
ομολογεῖν εἶναι πως.
ΘΕΑΙ. ‘Ope καὶ μάλα.
HE. Τί δὲ δή; τὴν τέχνην αὐτοῦ τίνα ἀφορί-
Cn a a ef ͵
σαντες ἡμῖν αὐτοῖς συμφωνεῖν οἷοί τε ἐσόμεθα :
ΘΕΑΙ. In καὶ τὸ ποῖόν τι φοβούμενος οὕτω
λέγεις ;
For πως, cf. infr.: ὀμολογεῖν εἶναί
πως, ἤ πως εἶναι τὰ μηδαμῆ ὄντα,
εἶναί πως τὰ μὴ ὄντα.
I. Οὔκουν] Stallbaum reads
οὐκοῦν, with nine MSS., for the
vulg. οὐκ ὃν, But the answer
of Theztetus seems to require
the negative οὔκουν.
γε, bys] Bodl. ΔΗ, γ᾽ ἔφην:
probably from ye μήν supra.
3. οὐκ ὄν--- ὄντως] Οὐκ ὃν be-
cause οὐκ ἀληθινὸν, οὐκ ὄντως
because οὐκ ἀληθῶς, ὄντως be-
cause εἰκὼν ὄντως. ‘ What we
call an image is really, without
having reality, an unreal thing.”
5. τοιαύτην τινα---συμπλοκήν]
Cf. Lege. 9, 863 b: τὸ τῆς ἀδι-
κίας τε καὶ βλάβης διάφορον καὶ
τὸ τῶν ἑκουσίων τε καὶ ἀκουσίων
ὡς ἐν τούτοις διαπεποίκιλται.
7. ὁρᾷς γοῦν ὅτι] The Bodl.
MS. gives these words only in
the margin, where Gaisford
read ὁρᾷς οὖν, but the y, though
nearly lost, may be traced,
where the words were blotted
while the ink was still wet, on
the opposite leaf. The Stranger
recals Thetetus from merely
wondering at the result to ob-
serve the point of the diffi-
culty.
8. διὰ τῆς ἐπαλλάξεως ταύτης]
“Through this reciprocation of
opposites.”
πολυκέφαλον] I, 6. “ whom
we have already slain in so
many shapes.” There is of
course an allusion to the hydra.
Cf. Euthyd. 297 ὁ: τῆῇ---ὕδρᾳ,
σοφιστρίᾳ οὔσῃ, καὶ διὰ τὴν σο-
φίαν ἀνιείσῃ, εἰ μίαν κεφαλὴν τοῦ
λόγου τις ἀποτέμοι, πολλὰς ἀντὶ
τῆς μιᾶς.
9. ἠνάγκακεν] So Bodl., with
the nine MSS. mentioned by
Bekker. Vulg. ἠνάγκασεν.
It is really
an unreal-
ity, though
not really
anything.
5 Thus the
Sophist
has forced
us to ad-
mit that
that which
is not, is.
How then
shall we
15 consis-
tently de-
scribe his
art ?
Shall we
say that
he creates
a false im-
pression ;
that a
false im-
pression
attributes
being to
non-exist-
ence, and
vice versa ;
and that a
false propo-
sition does
the same ?
96 ΠΛΆΤΩΝΟΣ
oral “ Ν Ν 7 3.5600 , n
ΞΕ. Ὅταν περὶ τὸ φάντασμα αὐτὸν ἀπατᾷν p. 240.)
as \ , 3 > \ > a
φῶμεν Kal τὴν τέχνην εἰναί τινα ἀπατητικὴν αὐτοῦ,
/ / - fe She \ \ e lal “4
τότε πότερον Ψευδὴ δοξάζειν τὴν ψυχὴν ἡμῶν φη-
ἘΧῸΝ A ᾽ , / aN / 3.5 a
σομεν ὑπὸ τῆς ἐκείνου τέχνης, ἢ TL TOT ἐροῦμεν 5
5 SEAL. Τοῦτο: τί γὰρ ἂν ἄλλο εἴπαιμεν ;
EE. Ψευδὴς δ᾽ αὖ δόξα ἔσται τἀναντία τοῖς οὖσι
δοξάζουσα, ἢ πῶς:
ΘΈΑΙ. Ταναντία.
EE. Λέγεις ἄρα τὰ μὴ ὄντα δοξάζειν τὴν ψευδῆ
10 δόξαν ;
ΘΈΑΙ. ᾿Αναγκη.
EE. Πότερον μὴ εἶναι τὰ μὴ ὄντα δοξαζουσαν, ἤ
5) Ν “ 2
TOS εἶναι τὰ μηδαμῶς OVTA ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Eval πως τὰ μὴ ὄντα δεῖ ye, εἴπερ ψεύ-
/ 2... \ \ ,
15 O€TQAL ποτε TLS TL και KATA βραχυ.
an icy \ 7
BE. Ti δ᾽; ov καὶ μηδαμῶς εἶναι Ta πάντως
ὄντα δοξάζεται ;
OEAI. Nai.
HE. Καὶ τοῦτο δὴ ψεῦδος ;
20 ΘΆΒΆΑΙ. Kai τοῦτο.
Sr , 3 \ “ κ > A
SE. Καὶ λόγος, οἶμαι, ψευδὴς οὕτω κατὰ ταῦτα
las / i? y 7 \ 5) Ν
ἱταῦτα] νομισθήσεται Ta τε ὄντα λέγων μὴ εἶναι καὶ
Ν VY 3
Ta μη οντα εἰναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ ἂν ἄλλως τοιοῦτος γένοιτο ;
6. τἀναντία τοῖς οὖσι] These-
tetus is again made to assert
the view of Not-Being as the
opposite of Being, which is pre-
sently modified. See below, 258
6: Μὴ τοίνυν ἡμᾶς εἴπῃ τις ὅτι TOU-
ναντίον τοῦ ὄντος τὸ μὴ ὃν ἀποφαι-
νόμενοι τολμῶμεν λέγειν ὡς ἔστιν.
14. δεῖ ye] Se. λέγειν αὐτὴν
δοξάζειν.
19, 20, 21. καὶ----ο-καὶ----καὶ] =
SPANO.
21. κατὰ ταὐτὰ [ταῦτα] | ταῦτα
is omitted in nine MSS.
24. ἄλλως] Most of the MSS.
give ἄλλος ; which if received
would require 6 τά τε ὄντα
The reading of the
editions is preferable, as in-
volving a slighter change.
λέγων.
ΠῚ
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 97
Lara XN ᾽ vad > \ a ‘ ‘
1241. 4H. Σχεδὸν οὐδαμῶς: ἀλλὰ ταῦτα ὁ σοφιστὴς He will
> ΄ x» , \ a \ - 5 turn upon
ov dye. ἢ τίς μηχανὴ συγχωρεῖν TWA TOV εὖ us and ask
ἐφ (vA ΒΩ Ν + Ν yA how we
φρονούντων, ὅταν ἀφθεγκτα Kai ἄρρητα καὶ ἄλογα dare, after
\ 5 / ὃ λ ΄ 5 \ \ , what has
Kal ἀδιανοητα προδιωμολογημένα ἢ TA TPO τούτων γώ said,
τ , , 5 / ἃ wy 7 RY to utter
ομολογηθέντα ; μανθάνομεν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, a *A€yet™ 5 5 the word
a \ > , “ > , * Not-
OEAI. Tas yap ov μανθάνομεν, ὅτι τἀναντία yy,
/ / « lol lod a / a /
φήσει λέγειν ἡμᾶς τοῖς viv dn, Ψψευδὴ τολμήσαντας
’ a » ᾽ / \ / “
εἰπεῖν ὡς ἐστιν ἐν δόξαις τε καὶ κατὰ λόγους ; τῷ
\ NRA Nipao\ 7 c a /
yap μὴ ὄντι TO ὃν προσάπτειν ἡμᾶς πολλάκις ἀναγ-
1 6 ὃ Ν / a δὴ a 9
κάζεσθαι, διομολογησαμένους νῦν On που τοῦτο εἰναι το
7 3 /
πάντων ἀδυνατώτατον.
> an / a Χ
ΞΕ. ᾿Ορθῶς ἀπεμνημοόνευσας, ἀλλ᾽ wpa δὴ βου-
’ , \ - lol a / Ἅ \
λευεσθαι τί χρὴ δρᾷν τοῦ σοφιστοῦ πέρι τὰς yap
5 7 \ > 72 +N > Χ an 5 va
ἀντιλήψεις καὶ ἀπορίας, ἐὰν αὐτὸν διερευνῶμεν ἐν TH
ports λέγει as the Bodleian
reading. Unfortunately, this
2. ἢ τίς μηχανὴ He adopts
the tone of the Sophist.
4. προδιωμολογημένα] “ When
it has been previously granted
(supr. 238 d) that the very
terms of the admissions which
have just been made are un-
utterable,” &c. Cf. Tim. 78 a:
προδιομολογησάμενοι. Bodl. ΔΗ,
προσδιομολογημένα : whence (Ὁ.
τ, Hermann gives πρὸς διωμο-
λογημένα. But this reading is
without point.
Ta πρὸ τούτων ὁμολογηθέν-
ta) Heindorf observes that
Plato uses this periphrasis to
avoid the repetition of μὴ ὄν.
The words refer to the discus-
sion (of the nature of a likeness)
which precedes the mention of
δόξα and λόγος, and which bris-
tles with the forbidden expres-
sions. P.240b. Compare Phileb.
5O C: τὰ νῦν πολλάκις λεγόμενα.
5. ἃ Ἐλέγει ] Bekker, judg-
ing from Gaisford’s silence, re-
MS. agrees with all the rest
except Par. I’. in giving λέγεις.
But the context leaves no room
for doubting that λέγει is right.
The Stranger has been speak-
ing in the Sophist’s person.
See φήσει in the next line, and
compare the defence of Pro-
tagoras in Theet. 166. For
μανθάνομεν in the rst pers. plur.,
ef. supr. 223 e, and note, also
Phileb. 51 d: ἀλλ᾽ ἄρα pavéa-
νομεν, ἢ πῶς ; ΠΡ. πειρῶμαι μέν,
ὦ Σώκρατες.
8. κατὰ λόγου] ‘This use of
κατὰ confirms the correction κατὰ
δικαστήρια in Theeet. 201 ἃ.
13. τί χρὴ δρᾷν] Cf. Legg.
6,777 ¢: διαπορήσειε τί χρὴ
δρᾷν περὶ ἁπάντων τῶν τοιούτων.
14. ἀντιλήψεις) “Handles for
objection.” Lit. ‘ Occasions
for laying hold,” as in wrest-
ling. Cf. supr. 239 d.
And this
is only the
beginning
of diffi-
culties.
Must
we, then,
give up in
despair ?
98 MAATQNOZ
τῶν ψΨευδουργῶν Kal γοήτων τέχνῃ τιθέντες. ὁρᾷς ὡς p. 241. |!
εὔποροι καὶ πολλαί.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ μάλα.
EE. Μικρὸν μέρος τοίνυν αὐτῶν διεληλύθαμεν,
» “ [ὦ yy ἴω > 7
5 OUOWV WS €7TOS εἰπεῖν απτεράντων.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αδύνατον γὰρ [ἄν], ὡς ἔοικεν, [εἴη] τὸν
Χ « lod » lal -“ ,΄
σοφιστὴν ἐλεῖν, εἰ ταῦτα οὕτως EXEL.
EE. Τί οὖν ; ἀποστησόμεθα νῦν μαλθακισθέντες ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὔκουν ἔγωγέ φημι δεῖν, εἰ καὶ κατὰ
ἊΝ ΟΝ 3 » , 5 7, 5
τοσμικρὸν οἷοί T ἐπιλαβέσθαι πῃ τἀνδρὸς ἐσμεν.
d Ky / ΄ la) 5
HE. “E€es οὖν συγγνώμην καὶ καθάπερ νῦν εἶπες
, 37 Ν Ν Χ ’
ἀγαπήσεις, ἐὰν πῇ καὶ κατὰ βραχυ παρασπασώμεθα
ο fa) f
οὕτως ἰσχυροῦ λόγου:
6. Ἀδύνατον γάρ] The Bod-
leian has rap (sic), which sug-
gests the possibility of a read-
ing τἄρ᾽ ( -- τοι dpa). But yap is
probably right. Cf Theeet.
100 6: οὔτε yap ταύτῃ οὔτε κατὰ
τὰ πρότερα φαίνεται ψευδὴς ἐν
Gorg. 454 4:
Δῆλον yap αὖ ὅτι ov ταὐτόν
And Aisch. Ag. 218 :
ΠΠαυσανέμου yap θυσίας παρθενίου
θ᾽ αἵματος ὀργῆ περιόργως ἐπιθυ-
pew θέμις. Hur. Med. 573.
[av]—[ety] ] The former word
ism απ meine Cire ΤΠ
by a later hand in =B, the
latter in every MS. except =.
Possibly Ἀδύνατον yap (or rap’),
ὡς ἔοικ᾽, ἂν εἴη may be the true
reading.
11. καθάπερ νῦν εἶπες] Viz. in
Saying εἰ καὶ κατὰ σμικρόν κ. τ. Δ.
12. ἐάν πῃ καὶ] καὶ is pro-
bably to be taken intensively
with κατὰ βραχύ: cf. supr.
240 6: εἴπερ Ψεύσεταί ποτέ Tis
τι καὶ κατὰ βραχύ. “If we
ἡμῖν οὖσα δόξα.
ἐστιν.
should flinch a Little from the
grasp of such a sturdy ar-
gument.” The metaphor from
wrestling is continued through-
out. Cf. Phileb. 41 b: προσι-
στώμεθα δὴ καθάπερ ἀθληταὶ πρὸς
τοῦτον αὖ τὸν λόγον.
παρασπασώμεθα] Lit. “ pull
ourselves aside, draw aside ;”
i. e. release ourselves from the
contest. Cf. Soph. El. 732:
ἔξω παρασπᾷ (sc. τοὺς ἵππους)
κἀνακωχεύει. The middle voice
is here directly reflexive, not
as in Dem. Olynth. 1, 10: μὴ
παρασπάσηταί TL τῶν ὅλων Tpay-
μάτων. Compare the use of
ἀποσπᾶσθαι in Xen. Anab. 1, 5.
§ 2: πολὺ yap ἀπεσπᾶτο φεύγουσα.
Those, however, who prefer
the latter meaning here (read-
ing ἐάν πή τι, with Badh. conj.),
may compare Theet. 196 d:
τί εἰ ἐπιχειρήσαιμεν ἀναισχυντεῖν;
For the personification, cf. ib.
148 ©: εἰ -- τοῦ ἀκμάζοντος καὶ
ταχίστου ἡττήθης.
Cc
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ.
99
OEAI. Πῶς γὰρ οὐχ ἕξω ;
A 3, a a
EE. Tode τοίνυν ἔτι μᾶλλον παραιτοῦμαί σε.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
EE. Μή με οἷον πατραλοίαν ὑπολάβης γίγνεσθαί
τινα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δή;
XN a Ν / / ΄σ
HE. Tov τοῦ πατρὸς Παρμενίδου λόγον ἀναγκαῖον
" lal / "7 / Ν ’ 7
ἡμῖν ἀμυνομένοις ἔσται βασανίζειν, καὶ βιάζεσθαι τό
Δ ἊΝ ε "᾽, ΄ Ν SD 3 ΄ « >
Uns μῇ OV ὡς EOTL KATH TL καὶ TO OV QU παλιν ως οὐκ
x
€OTL 77).
ΘΕΑΙ. Φαίνεται τὸ τοιοῦτον διαμαχητέον ἐν Tots
λόγοις.
“ \ / ‘ /
BE. Πῶς yap ov φαίνεται καί, τὸ λεγόμενον δὴ
a a / \ ’ 5 72 /
τοῦτο, τυφλῷ; τούτων yap pyre ἐλεγχθέντων μήτε
8. βιάζεσθαι---ὡς] “ΤῸ prove
by main force that—.” The idea
is not that of necessary demon-
stration, but that of establishing
something against appearances.
Cf. infr. 246 b: νοητὰ ἄττα καὶ
ἀσώματα εἴδη βιαζόμενοι τὴν ἀλη-
θινὴν οὐσίαν εἶναι. Theet. 153
6: ἀναγκάζω----ὡς, Symp. 202 ἃ:
μὴ τοίνυν ἀνάγκαζε, 6 μὴ καλόν
ἐστιν αἰσχρὸν εἶναι. Cf. Lege. 8,
841 ἃ, where βιάζομαι is used of
effecting something paradoxical
and difficult in practice.
II, ®aiverar —dédyous| The
Bodl. MS., with A and pr.
Π., om. διαμαχητέον, which
C. F. Hermann accordingly
rejects, with the remaining
words, retaining only Φαίνεται.
“ Languidum additamentum
totum cireumscripsi.” But it
may be retorted that, especi-
ally considering the formal
style of the dialogue, φαίνεται
alone in this place is abrupt
oO
ΕΓ
and bare. Cf. also διαμαχόμενοι,
infr. 256 ἃ.
13. καὶ To be taken with
τυφλῷ : the words τὸ λεγόμενον
δὴ τοῦτο being thrust in between.
Cf. supr. 218 a, καὶ, καθάπερ
εἶπε Σωκράτης, πᾶσι x. ε. and
note. See also Rep. 5, 465 4:
Δῆλον, ἔφη, καὶ τυφλῷ.
14. ἐλεγχθέντων] The Bodl.,
with ΔΙ ΒῚ, has μήτε λεχθέντων,
which is weak ; ἐλεγχθέντων is
right. ‘“ Unless this refutation
and this admission is secured.”
Τ 6. unless the saying of
Parmenides is refuted and
the existence of the non-ex-
istent admitted. Cf. infr.
242 Ὁ: τὸν ἔλεγχον τοῦτον καὶ
τὴν ἀπόδειξιν. In Theet. 188 ἃ
sqq. it is shewn to be
impossible to think what is
not, because all thought must
have a real object. As Mr.
Grote remarks, this and other
negative arguments of the
°
--
5
I
ο
Not if we
may be
allowed,
in self-
defence, to
bring the
revered
words of
Parme-
nides to
the test,
and to force
the con-
clusion,
that there
is a sense
in which
Not-Being
is, and
Being is
not.
Otherwise
an art of
phantastie,
and, in-
* deed, all
imitation,
is incon-
ceivable.
100 ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
« / ΄“ fel 7 Ν
ὁμολογηθέντων σχολῇ ποτέ τις οἷός τε ἔσται περὶ p. 241.
/ a Ἂ 5, ΄ Yj
λόγων ψευδῶν λέγων ἢ δόξης, εἴτε εἰδώλων εἴτε ©
" / 72) 7 / > a Δ
εἰκόνων ELTE μιμημάτων εἴτε φαντασμάτων, αὐτῶν, ἢ
Ν Ν “ “ 7 la ’ὔ’ AN
καὶ περὶ τεχνῶν TOV ὅσαι περὶ ταῦτα εἰσι, μὴ κατα-
λέγειν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αληθέστατα.
\ A cal :
EE. Διὰ ταῦτα μέντοι τολμητέον ἐπιτίθεσθαι τῷ ν. 242.
aN 53 \ > / > , e “
syeAaoTos εἰνᾶν τὰ ἐναντια ἀναγκαζόμενος αὐτῷ
lol 7 a ΩΝ Ν 4 Ε] vA ΄σ /
πατρικῷ λόγῳ νῦν, ἢ TO παράπαν ἐατέον, εἰ τοῦτο τις
3 im yx
τοεἴργει δρᾷν OKVOS.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἡμᾶς τοῦτό γε μηδὲν μηδαμῇ εἴρξη.
aE ap 7 / yf ,ὔ /
jemi He PlTOV τοινυν ETL GE σμικρὸν Tl TAPQlT 1)
TOMA.
OEAI. Λέγε μόνον.
3 a \ e Ν Ν
ΞΕ. Εἰπὸν που νῦν δὴ λέγων ὡς πρὸς τὸν περὶ
7 > » ΕΣ 7) 3 \ ἈΝ 7 \ ‘
ταῦτ᾽ ἔλεγχον GEL TE ἀπειρηκὼς ἐγὼ τυγχάνω καὶ δὴ
N \ an
και TQ νυν.
ΘΈΑΙ. Εἶπες.
Theetetus are not directly re-
futed in the Sophistes. It is
rather the negative mode of
arguing generally which is cri-
ticized.
3. αὐτῶν, ἢ Kal περὶ τεχνῶν]
“themselves, or the arts which
relate to these.” αὐτῶν refers
to all the preceding genitives.
Cf. Rep. 3, 398 a: εἰ ἡμῖν ἀφί-
κοιτο εἰς τὴν πόλιν αὐτός TE καὶ
τὰ ποιήματα βουλόμενος ἐπιδεί-
ξασθαι. The other rendering,
according to which αὐτῶν refers
to φαντασμάτων alone as the very
subject-matter of the Sophist’s
art, 15 not so good.
8. Διὰ ταῦτα μέντοι] “* Ob-
vious as this truth is, it com-
pels us—”
τῷ πατρικῷ Ady@| λόγος 15
personified, as In τοῦ βασιλικοῦ
λόγου supYr. 235 ¢, and πατρικὸς
has the same force as in πατρι-
kos ikos—“ The theory which
is invested with the sacred-
ness of our father’s autho-
rity.”
9. τὸ παράπαν ἐατέον] τὸ
παράπαν is probably adver-
bial, and the object of ἐατέον
must be supplied, 6. g. τὸν
Adyov— We must give up en-
tirely.”
11. τοῦτό ye] Se. ὥστε τὸ
Cf. Polit. 268 ἃ:
τοῦτο τοίνυν---ἡ μῖν ποιητέον, εἰ μὴ
μέλλομεν ἐπὶ τῷ τέλει καταισχῦναι
τὸν λόγον. Ν. Σ. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν
οὐδαμῶς τοῦτό γε δραστέον.
, 25
παραπαν εαν.
i
4
!
"242.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 101
FE. Φοβοῦμαι δὴ τὰ εἰρημένα, μή ποτε διὰ ταῦτά
σοι μανικὸς εἶναι δόξω παρὰ πόδα μεταβαλὼν ἐμαυ-
τὸν ἄνω καὶ κάτω. σὴν γὰρ δὴ χάριν ἐλέγχειν τὸν
λόγον ἐπιθησόμεθα, ἐάνπερ ἐλέγχωμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὡς τοίνυν ἔμοιγε μηδαμῇ δόξων μηδὲν 5
- Ἂ JEAN Χ A a \ \ » /
πλημμελεῖν, av ἐπὶ τὸν ἔλεγχον τοῦτον καὶ τὴν ἀπο-
δειξιν ἴης, θαρρῶν ἴθι τούτου γε ἕνεκα.
/ fd EN
BE. Φέρε 67; τίνα ἀρχὴν tis ἂν ἄρξαιτο παρα-
n 7 A \ \ ͵ > 3 a
κινδυνευτικοῦ λογου; δοκῶ μὲν yap τήνδ᾽, ὦ παῖ,
N « Ν » / - “ 3 /
τὴν ὁδὸν ἀναγκαιοτατὴν ἡμῖν εἶναι τρέπεσθαι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ποίαν δή ;
EE. Ta δοκοῦντα νῦν ἐναργῶς ἔχειν ἐπισκέψα-
al / / \ 5)
σθαι πρῶτον, μὴ πῃ τεταραγμένοι μὲν ὦμεν περὶ
I. Φοβοῦμαι)7 “I tremble,
then, to think of what I have
said, lest you should pronounce
me wild.” For ἀεί re δὴ inter-
posed, cf. Rep. 2, 367 6: Kai
ἐγὼ ἀκούσας, det μὲν δὴ τὴν φύσιν
τοῦ Γλαύκωνος καὶ τοῦ Ἀδειμάντου
ἠγάμην, arap οὖν καὶ τότε πάνυ
γε ἥσθην : and for the meaning,
compare supr. 242 Ὁ: καὶ γὰρ
πάλαι καὶ τὰ νῦν ἡττημένον ἂν
εὕροι. Theset. 187 c.
2. mapa πόδα] “ At the first
step ; “ateach step ;” “at every
other step.” The expression is
used of persons in motion, as
πὰρ ποδὶ, in Pindar, of persons
at rest. Thus Soph. Phil. 838 :
πολὺ παρὰ πόδα κράτος ἄρνυται.
In the present passage παρὰ
seems to have the additional
meaning of alternation, as in
παρ᾽ ἡμέραν.
μεταβαλὼν] The tense cor-
responds to that of δόξω,
otherwise μεταβάλλων would
have seemed more natural,
especially with ἄνω καὶ κάτω.
Cf. Pheed. 96 b: πολλάκις ἐμαυ-
τὸν ἄνω κάτω μετέβαλλον. But
in the present case sonly one
change “to and fro” is spoken
of.
3. σὴν yap δὴ χάριν] Com-
pare the language of Socrates
in the fifth book of the Re-
public, before advancing his
theory of communism, 450 e.
See also ib. 473 6. Such ex-
pressions of reluctance perhaps
receive some light from the
passages in the Epistles, if
genuine, where it is said that
the philosopher will not choose
to fix his thought in writing.
10. ἀναγκαιοτάτην--- τρέπεσθαι]
For the inf. after ἀναγκαῖος, ef.
Gorg. 449 b.
μάλιστα ἀναγκαῖον.
ἀναγκαιοτάτην =
Cf. Phileb.
63 Ὁ : οἶμαι μὲν πρὸς ταῦτα τόδ᾽
αὐτὰς ἀναγκαιότατον εἶναι λέγειν.
13. μή πῃ τεταραγμένοι] “ Lest
we should have fallen into some
confusion in regard to these
With this
view it
will be
necessary
°to examine
some ideas
which are
thought to
be clear,
but may
prove to be
confused.
A.
Parme-
nides and
102
ταῦτα, ῥᾳδίως δ᾽ ἀλλήλοις ὁμολογῶμεν ὡς εὐκρινῶς P. 243.}}
Μ
EXOVTES.
ITAATQNOS
OEAI. Λέγε σαφέστερον ὃ λέγεις.
EE. Ἑυὐκόλως μοι δοκεῖ Παρμενίδης ἡμῖν διειλέχ-
things, while glibly interchang-
ing arguments, as if we were
quite clear on the subject.”
4. Evxddos| “Complacently ;”
“with easy confidence ;” “ with
good-humoured composure ;”
“in an easy-tempered way.” Cf.
Theet. 166 a: ὦ ῥᾳθυμότατε
Σώκρατες.
Εὐκόλως ---- διειλέχθαι]. Plato
means what Aristotle expresses
where he says that Dialectic
had no place in early philo-
sophy. οἱ yap πρότεροι διαλεκτι-
κῆς οὐ μετεῖχον. Ar. Met. A.
6. 987 b. Compare the lan-
guage of an article in Fraser’s
Magazine for February 1865 :
“In older theology there seems
(of course with brilliant ex-
ceptions) to have prevailed this
general defect —that endless
controversies, and defences,
and attacks, have gone round
and round these sacred terms
without even asking what they
mean.” The question of Not-
Being is relative to that of
Being: hence, in order to
solve the difficulties which
have arisen, it 1s necessary to
examine this, the most familiar
and fundamental of all ideas.
This is done historically,
through a criticism of the re-
sults of previous and contem-
porary thought, involving the
unwelcome task of putting the
words of Parmenides to the
torture. The conjecture of
Badham, οὐχ ὅλως = ὅλως οὐ,
for εὐκόλως, is not convincing.
Cf. Lege. 11, 922 6 : Μαλθακοὶ
ἔμοιγ᾽, ὦ Κλεινία, δοκοῦσιν οἱ
πάλαι νομοθετοῦντες γεγονέναι καὶ
ἐπὶ σμικρὸν τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων βλέ-
ποντές τε καὶ διανοούμενοι vopo-
θετεῖν.
“J think that Parmenides,
and all who have hitherto
arisen to determine the ulti-
mate number and nature of
existences, have shewn in their
conversation with us a sort of
easy, good-humoured compo-
sure.”
“In what way ?”
“They seem to me to treat
us like children, and to tell us
stories, each one for himself;
one relating that there are
Beings three, which sometimes
maintain a desultory warfare,
but sometimes they make peace
again, and marry, and bring
forth children and rear them ;
another speaks of Two, as Moist
and Dry, or Hot and Cold,
which he brings together and
consorts in marriage. But the
tribe of the Eleatics from our
quarter, beginning with Xeno-
phanes, or even earlier, are the
authors of a different tale, and
fable that what we call ‘all
things’ are One Being. Then
certain Muses of Jonia, and
others of later birth in Sicily,
in taking up the parable have
seen that it is safer to combine
both histories and to say that
Being is Many and also One,
held together by hate and love.
For, say the Muses of firmer
ZOPISTHS.
103
Ν tan yy > / “ ΄- Ν
η. 2452.θαι καὶ πᾶς ὄστις πώποτε ἐπὶ κρίσιν ὠὡρμὴῆσε του TA
y+ / / Ν “8
ὄντα διορίσασθαι πόσα TE καὶ ποῖά ἐστιν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῃ;
EE. Modov τινα ἕκαστος φαίνεταί μοι διηγεῖσθαι
Ν 53 Ch im c \ 7 Sof. a
παισὶν ὡς οὖσιν μιν, O μεν ὡς τρία τὰ OVTA, πολεμεῖ 5
tone, Being is ever sundered,
ever combined: while those,
who prefer a softer melody,
relax the ‘ever, and say that
All is sometimes one and
friendly by Aphrodite’s power,
but sometimes many and at
enmity with itself by reason
of a certain principle of strife.”
1. ἐπὶ κρίσιν---τοῦ---διορίσα-
σθαι) Hither “went forth to
decide the question of deter-
mining’’—where the pleonasm,
though somewhat harsh, is not
inconsistent with the style of
these dialogues. For κρίσιν in
this sense, cf. Euthyphr. 7d:
ἐπί Twa κρίσιν ov δυνάμενοι ἀφι-
κέσθαι----ἐπὶ ἱκανὴν κρίσιν αὐτῶν
ἐλθεῖν. Or, ‘ entered the arena
to contend for the honour of
determining.” Cf. Legg. 12,
943 ἃ: εἰς τὴν τῶν ἀριστείων
κρίσιν. Soph. Trach. 266: πρὸς
τόξου kpiow. Philoct. τορο:
ὅπου δικαίων κἀγαθῶν ἀνδρῶν
κρίσις. According to the latter
rendering, Parmenides and the
rest are supposed to bring
their theories for judgment be-
fore the reason of mankind.
2. πόσα τε καὶ mota| Some
interpreters suppose that πόσα
refers to the earlier and ποῖα
only to the later theories. (infr.
245 e, sqq.) But although the
former asked “ Is Being One or
how many,’ and the latter, “ Is
Being corporeal or ideal,” this
distinction is probably not in-
tended by these words. And the
question of ποιότης is already
involved in theories of hot and
cold, moist and dry, harmony
or discord, and the like.
4. Μῦθόν twa — διηγεῖσθαι]
Compare Bacon, Noy. Org. I.
Ax. 44: “Quot philosophiz
receptz aut inventz sunt, tot
fabulas productas et actas cen-
semus, que mundos efficerent
fictitios et scenicos.” Ib. Ax.
62: “Atque hujusmodi theatri
fabulee habent etiam illud quod
in theatro poetarum usu venit ;
ut narrationes fictee ad scenam
narrationibus ex historia veris
concinniores sint et elegan-
tiores, et quales quis magis
vellet.” Ar. Met. I. το, 993 a:
ψελλιζομένῃ yap ἔοικεν ἡ πρώτη
φιλοσοφία περὶ πάντων.
5. παισὶν ὡς οὖσν] The
position of παισὶν is emphatic.
Cf. Legg. 1, 645 Ὁ:
των ὡς ὄντων ἡμῶν. Rep. 8,545
€: ὡς πρὸς παῖδας ἡμᾶς. Infr.
254 6: οὐ περὶ τριῶν ὡς ὄντων
Ν ,
περὶ Gavpa-
αὐτῶν.
ὁ μὲν ὡς tpia—exdidwou |
The few remaining fragments
of the earliest philosophy do
not enable us to say what
thinkers are thus briefly indi-
cated : probably some belong-
ing to the earlier Ionic school.
The metaphorical language
seems to point to a_pe-
riod when philosophy still re-
tained a considerable tinge of
others who
have
sought to
define the
number
and nature
of exist-
ence, have
not been
careful to
explain
their
meaning,
but after
throwing
out that
Being is
three or
two or one,
or one and
many, hot
and cold,
at peace
or war, or
that it is
first united
104
\ ᾽ / Tr, ’ ΄ yA \ \ Ν /
de ἀλλήλοις ἐνίοτε αὐτῶν ἄττα my, τοτὲ δὲ καὶ φίλα p. 242,
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
/ / / \ ΄-
γιγνόμενα γάμους τε καὶ τόκους καὶ τροφὰς τῶν ἃ
> / / / Wigs > 4 « Ν Ν
ἐκγόνων παρέχεται. Ovo δὲ ἕτερος εἰπῶν, ὑγρὸν καὶ
Ν » Ν Ν / / + ay") Ν
ξηρὸν ἢ θερμὸν καὶ ψυχρόν, συνοικίζει τε αὐτὰ καὶ
δἐκδίδωσι. τὸ δὲ παρ᾽ ἡμῶν ᾿Ελεατικὸν ἔθνος, ἀπὸ
— ‘ Ν 5) / > ath, «
ἐξενοφανους τε καὶ ert πρόσθεν ἀρξάμενον, ὡς
CAIN 37 a ἤ / “ "
EVOS OVTOS τῶν πάντων καλουμένων οὕτω διεξέρχεται
nr /
τοῖς μύθοις.
cosmogonical mythology. Thus
Pherecydes might be said to
have asserted three principles,
Zeus, Time, and Earth, as the
basis of his cosmogony. The
dualists here mentioned have
been supposed to include Arche-
laus, who, according to Diog.
Laert. 11. τό, 17, ἔλεγε δύο
αἰτίας εἶναι γενέσεως, θερμὸν καὶ
ψυχρόν, and who, in describing
the production of the animals,
says that they sprang from
the increasing warmth in the
lower parts of the Earth, ὅπου
τὸ θερμὸν καὶ τὸ ψυχρὸν ἐμίσγετο.
But, as Steinhart observes, (So-
phist. note 22,) the dualism of
heat and cold is a theory of the
Universe probably older than
Parmenides, who speaks of this
as the philosophy of opinion.
There is of course no allusion
to Parmenides in these words.
He is included in the ᾿Ελεατικὸν
ἔθνος mentioned immediately
afterwards.
2. γάμους----παρέχεται] “ Are
found to marry,” We.
5. τὸ δὲ map ἡμῶν] 1. 6. ἐξ
᾿Ἐλέας. Heindorf and Stall-
baum prefer ἡμῖν, which appears
in C. H. 3, a. Ὁ. c., and in the
quotations of Eusebius and
Theodoret. But ἡμῶν is pre-
᾿Ιάδες δὲ καὶ Σικελαί τινες ὕστερον
ferable both as the reading of
the best MSS. and as the less
obvious reading: “The school
that came forth from us.”
ἀπὸ Ξενοφάνους τε καὶ ἔτι
πρόσθεν ἀρξάμενον] ‘ From Xe-
nophanes downwards, and even
before Xenophanes.” This is
conceived in the same spirit as
the attempt in the Theztetus
to refer the Heraclitean dogma
to an unknown antiquity.
Theet. 179 6: περὶ τούτων τῶν
ἩΗρακλειτείων, ἢ ὥσπερ σὺ λέγεις
Ὃμηρείων, καὶ ἔτι παλαιοτέρων.
Steinhart imagines a reference
tothe Pseudo-Orphic Fragment,
Ζεὺς ἀρχὴ, Ζεὺς μέσσα, Διὸς δ᾽ ἐκ
πάντα τελεῖται, which is elsewhere
quoted by Plato, Legg. 4, 715 e.
7. ἑνὸς ὄντος τῶν πάντων]
The participle, although agree-
ing in sense with πάντων, follows
the number of the preceding
word. Cf. Protag. 329 d: ἑνὸς
ὄντος τῆς ἀρετῆς.
8. τοῖς μύθοις] “ In their tale
of the Universe ;” referring to
μῦθόν τινα supr. Cf. Theet.
156: οὗτος ὁ μῦθος--- viz. the
theory of Sensation.
"Iddes—Movoa] The word
ὕστερον applies to the Σικελαί as
compared with the ᾿Ιάδες μοῦσαι.
Empedocles was later than
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
105
“a / “ / > ’ὔ
. 242. Μοῦσαι ξυννενοήκασιν ὅτι συμπλέκειν ἀσφαλέστατον
» / \ / « \ oN / Ge 3
e ἀμφότερα καὶ λέγειν ὡς τὸ ὃν πολλὰ TE καὶ EV ἐστιν,
Ya \ 7 / \ >
ἐχθρᾳ δὲ καὶ φιλίᾳ συνέχεται’ διαφερόμενον yap ἀεὶ
/ \ e / lal M oan ©
ξυμφέρεται, φασὶν αι συντονώτεραι TMV ουσῶν" αἱ
Heraclitus, and his speculation
is viewed by Plato as that of
Heraclitus in aless exact form.
See the speech of Eryximachus
in the Symposium, who treats
of Love in the spirit of Empe-
docles (187 a,b): τὸ ἕν φησιν
(Ἡράκλειτος) διαφερόμενον αὐτὸ
αὑτῷ ξυμφέρεσθαι, ὥσπερ ἁρμονίαν
τόξου τε καὶ λύρας. ἔστι δὲ πολλὴ
ἀλογία ἁρμονίαν φάναι διαφέρε-
σθαι ἢ ἐκ διαφερομένων ἔτι εἶναι.
ἀλλ᾽ ἴσως τόδε ἐβούλετο λέγειν,
ὅτι ἐκ διαφερομένων πρότερον τοῦ
ὀξέος καὶ βαρέος, ἔπειτα ὕστερον
ὁμολογησάντων γέγονεν ὑπὸ τῆς
μουσικῆς τέχνης. The words
πολλὴ ἀλογία in this extract are
a good comment on ἀσφαλέστα-
τον in the text.
1. ξυνενόησαν͵] I. 6. In re-
flecting on both statements
perceived. Cf. Soph. Cid. Col.
452: τοῦτ᾽ ey@da, τῆσδέ τε
μαντεῖ᾽ ἀκούων ξυννοῶν τε τάἀξ
ἐμοῦ παλαίφαθ' ἁμοὶ Φοῖβος ἤνυ-
σέν ποτε.
ἀσφαλέστατον] “ The most
irrefragable position.” Cf. supr.
231 a: τὸν ἀσφαλῆ. Protag.
351 d, Polit. 262 b.
3. Stadepspevov—ouph.) Se.
τὸ ὃν ἢ τὸ πᾶν. Cf. Symp. 1. ce.
4. συντονώτεραι ---- μαλακώτε-
pa] These are musical terms,
as Boeckh has shewn in his
contribution to Heindorf’s note
upon this passage: ‘“ Desumpta
vocabula συντ. et par. a colore
Ss. χρόᾳ in musicis generibus.
Etenim ex sex illis coloribus
unus in enharmonico, duo in
diatonico, tres in chromatico
genere sunt. In chromate est
color ἡμιόλιος, color tovaios et
μαλακὸς, ς. ἡμιόλιον χρῶμα, τονι-
aiov ς. σύντονον χρῶμα et χρῶμα
μαλακόν. In diatono duo colores
sunt διάτονον σύντονον et διάτονον
μαλακόν. Illa σύντονα sunt in-
tentiora, μαλακὰ molliora. Eu-
clid. Introd, Harmon. p. ro, rr.
Aristox. Harm. Elem. I. p. 24
sqq. Gaudent. Harmon. Intr.
p-17: “ Notandum autem illud
ἐχάλασαν, quod est in musicis
in μαλακῇ χρόᾳ." Eucel. p. 11 :
μαλακὸν δὲ Tov ἐλαχίστου πυκνοῦ
ὡσαύτως καὶ χρῶμα, ἐπειδὴ τὸ ἐν
αὐτῷ πυκνὸν χρῶμα ἀνίεται τε καὶ
ἐκλύεται.᾽ Cf. also Rep. 3, 398
€: Τίνες οὖν padaxal—rov ap-
μονιῶν. "laoti, 7 δὲ ὃς, Καὶ
λυδιστί, αἵτινες χαλαραὶ καλοῦν-
ται, where the “soft Lydian
airs” are spoken of with a
metaphorical meaning. The
point here is that the union
of one and many was more
thorough in Heraclitus than in
Empedocles. A similar appli-
cation of these musical ex-
pressions is made by Aristotle,
Polit. IV. 3, in drawing a ~
parallel between music and
government, in both of which
he says the ordinary kinds are
divergences from the one or
two best: παρεκβάσεις, τὰς μὲν
τῆς εὖ κεκραμένης ἁρμονίας, τὰς
δὲ τῆς ἀρίστης πολιτείας, ὀλιγαρ-
χικὰς μὲν τὰς συντονωτέρας καὶ
δεσποτικωτέρας, τὰς δ᾽ ἀνειμένας
καὶ μαλακὰς δημοτικάς,
by love
and then
severed by
hate, have
gone each
of them
his own
way.
106 MAATOQNO®
\ / Ν \ > ΄ , o ~ » /
δὲ μαλακώτεραι TO μὲν ἀεὶ ταῦθ᾽ οὕτως ἔχειν ἐχαλα-
᾽ / \ \ ἡ 5 ‘ x a) Ν
σαν, ἐν μέρει δὲ τοτὲ μὲν ἕν εἶναί φασι TO πᾶν καὶ
͵ Cts / \ \ Ν /
φίλον ὑπ᾽ ᾿Αφροδίτης, τοτὲ δὲ πολλὰ καὶ πολέμιον
Ya « tal \ Aout ca) \ / Ν
αὐτὸ αὑτῷ διὰ νεῖκος τι. ταῦτα δὲ πάντα εἰ μὲν
> “ * \ / 7 / Ν
5 ἀληθῶς τις ἢ μὴ τούτων εἴρηκε, χάλεπον, καὶ πλημ-
\ eA / - Ν “-“ > /
μελες οὕτω μεγάλα κλεινοῖς καὶ παλαιοῖς ἀνδράσιν
’ ay ς > “ \ / ce Te
ἐπιτιμᾷν" ἐκεῖνο δὲ ἀνεπίφθονον ἀποφήνασθαι.
ἊΝ cal
OEAI. To ποῖον ;
— σ“ / an a al td /
EE. Ὅτι λίαν τῶν πολλῶν ἡμῶν ὑπεριδόντες
> 7 a 5 \ \ / 3/23) >
το ὠλιγώρησαν" οὐδὲν yap φροντίσαντες εἴτ᾽ ἐπακολου-
an > ΄- ,ὔ / / /
θοῦμεν αὐτοῖς λέγουσιν εἴτε ἀπολειπόμεθα, περαίνουσι
\ 7 3 ἴω aS
TO σφέτερον αὐτῶν ἕκαστοι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς λέγεις ;
For when EE. Ὅταν τις αὐτῶν φθέγξηται λέγων ws ἐστιν
they say N ΄, ἮΝ , ον δι , . \
“Many,” 15 γέγονεν ἢ γίγνεται πολλὰ ἢ ἕν ἢ δύο, Kat θερμὸν
One,” 5 A , pw Al ὃ
: Two," αὖ ψυχρῷ συγκεραννύμενον, ἀλλοθὶ πῃ διακρίσεις
5. χαλεπὸν] Se. εἰπεῖν, which
is absorbed in what follows.
καὶ πλημμελὲς — ἐπιτιμᾷν |
Compare the structure οὗ
Theet. 146 b: ᾧ ἀπιστεῖν, ὡς
ἐγὼ οἶμαι, οὔτε σὺ ἐθελήσεις, οὔτε
θέμις περὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα ἀνδρὶ σοφῷ
ἐπιτάττοντι νεώτερον ἀπειθεῖν.
6. οὕτω μεγάλα] Cogn. Acc.
Se. τὸ μὴ ἀληθῶς ταῦτα εἰρηκέναι.
“To make such grave accu-
sationus against men of ancient
renown.” Heind. well compares
Legg. 10, 886 ὁ: εἰ μὲν eis ἀλ-
ho τι καλῶς ἢ μὴ καλῶς ἔχει, οὐ
ῥάδιον ἐπιτιμᾷν παλαιοῖς οὖσιν.
4. ἐκεῖνο], “ That former
thing,” viz. what was implied
IN εὐκόλως K.T.A.
g. ὑπεριδόντες] “ Looking over
our heads.” This was the error
which Dialectic, or the Socratic
dialogue, was calculated to re-
medy. Cf. Phedr. 275 d, e.
14. Ὅταν τις αὐτῶν φθέγξηται
“When one of them utters his
saying, ‘Many, one, two, are,
have been born, are created,’
or speaks of heat interpenetrat-
ing with cold, while he else-
where postulates separations
and combinations, I pray you,
Theztetus, do you at all then
understand their meaning?”
Note the redundant participle,
as in ἔφη λέγων.
ὡς — trotibeis] There is
an emphasis on each of the
words ἔστιν, γέγονε, γίγνεται,
πολλά, ἕν, δύο, θερμόν, ψυχρῷ,
διακρίσεις, συγκρίσεις.
16. ἄλλοθί wy] Hither, “in
some other part of his treatise,”
or “as taking place in some
other region.” For θερμ. Ψ.
ovyk., ef. Archelaus ap. Hippol.
Pp» 242.90.
Ρ. 243
fod)
ΣΟΦΙΣΊΤΗΣ.
107
Ν / « / 3 / « /
243. καὶ συγκρίσεις ὑποτιθείς, τούτων, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ἑκα-
͵ \ a a “ / 41. τὰ
OTOTE σὺ TL 7 pos θεῶν ξυνιεῖς oO TL λέγουσιν ; έγω
\ Δ Ὁ ν᾿ ἢ 7, τ ἢ \ a ’
μὲν yap OTE μὲν ἢν νεώτερος, τοῦτο τε TO νῦν ἀπο-
7 « / 7 \ A wy 3 ἴω 7
ρούμενον ὅποτε τις εἴποι, TO μὴ OV, ἀκριβῶς ῳ μὴν
ξυνιέναι"
ἀπορίας.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὁρῶ.
A \ Ο ΤῊΣ vo? » \ ᾽ a / a
νῦν δὲ ὁρᾷς ἵν ἐσμέν αὐτοῦ πέρι τῆς 5
ἘΠῚ Ta / "} » Ὁ Ν Ni δῇ
bey He aKa TOLVVY LOWS Οὐχ TTOV KATH TO OV
> N a , > , 3 cal “ Ν \
ταῦτον τοῦτο πάθος εἰληφότες ἐν TH ψυχῇ περὶ μεν
a > a \ / « {/ SN
τοῦτο εὐπορεῖν φαμεν καὶ μανθάνειν ὁπόταν τις αὐτὸ
φθέγξηται, περὶ δὲ θάτερον οὔ, πρὸς ἀμφότερα
« / 3,
ὁμοίως ἔχοντες.
OEAI. Ἴσως.
a 4 \ A
HE. Kai περὶ τῶν ἄλλων δὴ τῶν προειρημένων
(4S Stes NS a Siu ἘΚ
new ταυτὸν τοῦτο εἰρησθω.
OEAI. Ilavv γε.
a \ [4 Ξ / \ a
ΚΞ Εἰ. Τῶν μὲν τοίνυν πολλῶν πέρι καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο
σκεψόμεθ᾽, ἂν δόξῃ, περὶ δὲ τοῦ μεγίστου τε καὶ
Ε] la ’ὔ cal /
ἀρχήγου TPMTOV VUY σκεπτεον.
Ref. Her. I. 9: θερμαινομένης
τῆς γῆς πρῶτων ἐν TO κάτω μέρει,
ὅπου τὸ θερμὸν καὶ τὸ ψυχρὸν
ἐμίσγετο.
I. τούτων] Neut.
3. τοῦτό fret] τε is with-
out correlative: whence Herm.
conj. ye, which has no meaning,
Par. H. cov: τότε, which cannot
be right, but suggests the con].
τότε ye. But, as the Bodleian MS.
omits τό, it seems most likely
that τὸ was first corrupted into
τε, and then again inserted.
Hence τε is to be omitted.
Otherwise we must suppose
that the apodosis is absorbed
in the words τάχα τοίνυν ἴσως
Ῥ
οὐχ ἧττον κατὰ τὸ ὄν κιτιλ. For
which, οἵ. Pheedr. 265 d: εἰς μίαν
τε ἰδέαν συνορῶντα ἄγειν K.T.X.
5. ἵνα---τῆς ἀπορίας] “ What a
point we have reached in the
perplexity about Not-Being.”
The article is used because the
difficulty attaching to the no-
tion of μὴ ὃν is by this time
familiar.
14. τῶν ἄλλων τῶν προειρημέ-
νων] γεγονός, γένεσις, πολλά, ἕν,
δύο, θερμόν, ψυχρόν, διακρίσεις,
συγκρίσεις.
18. τοῦ μεγίστου καὶ ἀρχηγοῦ]
“The mightiest and chiefest.”
Being is spoken of with pro-
found reverence, as in Rep. 6,
le)
22
mixture of
heat and
cold,”
* are,
‘have been
produced,”
“come into
being,” or
when they
speak of
the com-
position
and divi-
sion of
elements,
do we
understand
them ?
,
10 Not-Being
may have
once ap-
peared an
intelligible
phrase, but
see where
it has
brought
us now.
15 Let us
therefore
turn and
examine
the most
cardinal of
all ideas,
that of
Being,
in the
light of
existing
theories.
We first
interrogate
the philo-
sophers
who hold
that ALL is
resolvable
into two
ultimate
existences.
When they
say that
these two
exist, what
do they
mean ?
Do they
postulate
existence
as a third
element,
or identify
it with one
108
BEAL. Tivos δὴ λέγεις ; ἢ δῆλον ὅτι TO ὃν φὴς p. 243
ΠΛΆΤΩΝΟΣ
a a / 7 > ΄ , 2 a
πρῶτον δεῖν διερευνήσασθαι, τί ποθ᾽ οἱ λέγοντες αὑτὸ
δηλοῦν ἡγοῦνται ;
EE. Κατὰ πόδα γε, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ὑπέλαβες. λέγω
ἊΝ \ / “ rn Ἁ ΄ ΄ ΄“ -
syap δὴ ταύτῃ δεῖν ποιεῖσθαι τὴν μέθοδον ἡμᾶς, οἷον
> a > / © , « /
αὐτῶν παρόντων ἀναπυνθανομένους we’ Φέρε, ὅπο-
‘\ \ \ " ΄ ΄ \ Pees
σοι θερμὸν καὶ ψυχρὸν ἤ τινε δύο τοιούτω τὰ πᾶντ
53 / al - /
εἰναί φατε, τί ποτε ἄρα τοῦτ᾽ ἐπ᾿ ἀμφοῖν φθέγγεσθε,
Ψ y Ν ei, 53 / Ν 5“
λέγοντες ἄμφω καὶ εκατερον εἰναι; TL TO εἰναι
a ε ΄ὔ ε a , / ‘\ Ν
ιοτοῦτο ὑπολάβωμεν ὑμῶν ; πότερον τρίτον παρα TA
7, Vea nN 7 \ m= ᾽ \ \ , “7 >
Ovo ἐκεῖνα, Kal τρία TO πᾶν, ἀλλὰ μὴ Ovo ἔτι καθ
« Cal a 5 / a ἴω a
ὑμᾶς τιθῶμεν 3 οὐ yap που τοῖν ye δυοῖν καλοῦντες
/ Ἂ > ΄ - / Φ / a ‘
θάτερον ov ἀμφότερα ὁμοίως εἶναι λέγετε: σχεδὸν
Χ Ἃ > o > > , 5
γὰρ ἂν ἀμφοτέρως ἕν, ἀλλ᾽ οὐ δύο εἴτην.
15 OEAT. ᾿Αληθῆ λέγεις.
509 b, ο: οὐκ οὐσίας ὄντος τοῦ
ἀγαθοῦ, ἀλλ᾽ ἔτι ἐπέκεινα τῆς οὐ-
σίας πρεσβείᾳ καὶ δυνάμει ὑπερέ-
χοντος.
1. Tivos δὴ λέγεις] “ Sie sem-
per in responsione negligitur
preegressa prepositio.” Heind.
—Cf. Rep. 7, 531 d: τοῦ mpoo-
μίου----ἢ Tivos λέγεις ;
. 4. Κατὰ πόδα (se. ἑπόμενος) |
“At the heels.” “ Following
my footsteps closely.” (Cf.
Soph. Cid. Col. 197: ἐν---βάσει
βάσιν ἅρμοσαι.) The plural κατὰ
πόδας 1s the more usual form ;
but the sing. occurs again
Legg. 11, 918 a: κιβδήλοις δ᾽
ἐπιτηδεύμασιν ἕπεται κατὰ πόδα
καπηλείας ἐπιτηδεύματα.
6. αὐτῶ] Probably em-
phatic, ‘as if the men them-
ee were personally present
1ere.”
ΤΙ. μὴ δύο ἔτι καθ᾽ ὑμᾶς] “And
no longer two according to
your theory.” I. 6. either,
“ must we give up your theory
and make three principles in-
stead of two?’ or, “must we
understand you to assert three
principles instead of two?”
The former way of taking the
words is more pointed, but
the latter is in better keeping
with the context,
14. ἀμφοτέρως] “Both ways.”
1.6. either, “as Being is identi-
fied with one only, and as the
one term Being is predicated of
both alike” (the latter part of
this argument loses force when
the nature of predication is
clearly understood), or, perhaps
better, ἀμφοτέρως = “ Whichever
of the two is identified with
Being.”
e
, 243.
244.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
EE. ᾿Αλλ' ἄρα τὰ ἄμφω βούλεσθε καλεῖν ov ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἴσως.
> 5 ; f
EE. ᾿Αλλ᾽, ὦ φίλοι, φήσομεν, κἂν οὕτω τὰ δύο
/ Ἂ / o
λέγοιτο av σαφέστατα ἕν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Ορθότατα εἴρηκας. 5
a 3 \ 7 « a > , ε ᾿Ξ aes
Bi. “Exedy τοίνυν ἡμεῖς ἡπορήκαμεν, ὑμεῖς αὐτὰ
e tal 3 / « a , / /
ἡμῖν ἐμφανίζετε ἱκανῶς, TL ποτε βούλεσθε σημαίνειν
Ἃ “- € ς a fal
ὁπόταν ov φθέγγησθε. δῆλον yap ὡς ὑμεῖς μὲν ταῦτα
109
of the two,
which is
tanta-
mount to
resolving
all into
one? or
do they
give to
both the
one name
of Being,
so making
both one ?
’ 7 Ἔ lod \ \ ΄- \ wily a
πάλαι γιγνώσκετε, ἡμεῖς δὲ πρὸ τοῦ μεν φομεθα, νῦν
> > / / 5 a ~ 3 Sp
δ᾽ ἡπορήκαμεν. διδάσκετε οὖν πρῶτον TOUT αὐτὸ 10
ἡμᾶς, ἵνα μὴ δοξάζωμεν μανθάνειν μὲν τὰ λεγόμενα
3 . an \ \ ,ὔ , a » /
TAP ὑμῶν. TO δὲ TOUVUTOV γιγνῆται πᾶν τουνᾶντιον.
“ Χ ? / GQ © a ΄ ,
Tatra dn λέγοντές τε καὶ ἀξιοῦντες παρὰ τε τουτων
XN Χ a yy “ ω ΕΝ / NY
καὶ mapa τῶν ἄλλων, ὅσοι πλεῖον evos λέγουσι TO
κω 53 na 3 “ ’
πᾶν εἰναι, μῶν, ὦ παῖ, τι πλημμελήησομεν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. “Hora γε.
μεσταὶ / ,ὔ A lal A Ν a , 9 3: 5
GE. Ti δέ; παρὰ τῶν ev τὸ πᾶν λεγόντων ap οὐ
The same
arguments
15 will apply
to all who
hold a plu-
rality of
natures.
, ᾽ , , , Ny
TTEVOTEOY ELS δυναμιν Tl ΤΟΤΕ λέγουσι TO OV 5
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς yap οὔ;
BE. Τόδε τοίνυν ἀποκρινέσθωσαν.
τ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἄρα] Stallb.and Herm.
give ἄρα. Cf. Rep. 2, 374 Ὁ.
“But perhaps you mean to
give the name to both toge-
ther?” The Bodl. MS. gives
dpa invariably, and is there-
fore of no use in deciding be-
tween dpa and dpa.
6. αὐτὰ] This is the same
vague use of the neuter of αὐτὸς
which is common in Thucydides.
Cf. ταῦτα infr. 1. 8.
9. φόμεθα] Se.
Cf. supr. 233 b: εἰ μήτε ἀντέ-
Neyo ὀρθῶς μήτε ἐκείνοις ἐφαί-
ΨΟΡΤΟ.
γιγνώσκειν.
Then Jet
, those who
a
Ep TOU 20 assert One
11. δοξάζωμεν μανθάνειν μέν]
μὲν belongs to the two preced-
ing words taken as one. Cf.
Theet. 151 Ὁ: μὴ δόξωσί πως.
12. τὸ δέ] “Whereas really.”
Cf. Theet. 157 Ὁ: τὸ δ᾽ οὐ δεῖ,
and note.
18. εἰς δύναμιν] 1.6. “So far
as is possible when they are not
present.” Cf. Thezt.184 a.
20. Tdde — ἀποκρινέσθωσαν |
“Let them give an answer
to the following question.” Cf.
Legg. 10, 901 ὁ: Nov δὴ δύ᾽
ὄντες τρίσιν ἡμῖν οὖσιν ἀποκρι-
νάσθωσαν.
Being tell
us what
they mean.
Are Being
and Unity
two names
for the
same
thing ?
Tt will
puzzle
them to
answer
this, or in-
deed any
question.
For how
can there
be two
names, or
a name at
all, when
there is
nothing
beside the
One Being?
Unless the
1το
110 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
φατε μονον εἰναι ;
γάρ:
ΘΕΑ,ΑΙ. Ναί
Φαμὲν γάρ, φήσουσιν.
mE. Τί δέ; ὃν καλεῖτέ τι;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
σι
ΞῊ I] / “ vA aw ‘al > a ᾽ὔ ᾿
bey Lid OTEPOV OTTEP EV, ETL TO αὐτῷ προσχρώμενοι ο
κ᾿ 3 / “Δ lad
δυοῖν ὀνόμασιν, ἢ πῶς:
ΘΕΑΙ. Tis οὖν αὐτοῖς ἡ μετὰ τοῦτ᾽, ὦ ἕξένε,
> /
αποκρισις 5
"»-- a 3 / “ lal 7 \
ΞΕ. Δῆλον, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ὅτι τῷ ταύτην THY
« 50 « 6 γι \ ον las > θ / ‘ Ν
ὑποῦεσιν UTTO εμένῳ 7 pos TO νυν EPWTNUEV, Και 7 pos
y \ ¢ a » ΄ en > /
ἄλλο δὲ ὁτιοῦν, οὐ πάντων ῥᾷστον ἀποκρίνασθαι.
GEAL,. Πώς:
/ « ΄σ Ss
=ZE. To τε δύο ὀνόματα ὁμολογεῖν εἶναι, μηδὲν
ΘΕΑΙ. Ilas δ᾽ ov;
/ Ν “ ,
15 θέμενον πλὴν ἐν, καταγελαστον που.
EE. Καὶ τὸ παράπαν γε ἀποδέχεσθαι τοῦ λέγον-
ε yy + 4 , > 3 27
TOS MS ἐστιν ονομᾶ Tl, Aoyov OUK QV EXov.
6. ὅπερ ev] Cf. the Aristo-
telian use of ὅπερ, e.g. Phys.
Αὐθο. 1. 2.
II. καὶ πρὸς ἄλλο δὲ ὁτιοῦν]
“Απᾷ not only so, but im an-
swer to any other question.”
12. ov πάντων ῥᾷστον] “ Not
the easiest thing in the world.”
Cf. supr. 218 c. I venture to
think that this is the true
reading also in Rep. 6, 497 d,
instead of οὐ πάντως ῥᾷστον.
πάντως was the reading of Ste-
phanus (apparently with C E)
in this place, and of SY in
2arsren Gh eve: 16 77 ome:
οὐ πάντων εὐκολώτατον.
18. λόγον οὐκ ἂν ἔχον] C.F.
Hermann has reverted to the
reading of the old edd. doy.
οὐκ ἂν ἔχοι. But it is unne-
cessary to alter ἔχον, which is
the reading of the best MSS.
The participle corresponds to
the adjective καταγέλαστον in
the previous clause: and ἂν is
more forcible with the parti-
ciple (“is a thing which can-
not square with reason”) than
it would have been here with
the optative (“would be un-
reasonable”): ἐστὶ, not εἴη, must
be supplied. Cf. Theet. 164 a:
ἐπιστήμων τούτου γέγονεν οὗπερ
ὁρῶν. Infr. 257 d: τοῦτ᾽ οὖν
ἀνώνυμον ἐροῦμεν ἤ TW ἔχον
ἐπωνυμίαν ; Θ. ἔχον. “This is
an admission which they can
never make consistently. For
if the name is other than the
ἦ P+ 244:
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῇ;
Lid
HE. Τιθείς re τοὔνομα τοῦ πράγματος ἕτερον δύο
/ ,
λέγει ποὺ τινε.
ΘΕΔΙ. Ναί
= K Ν \ ἊἋ > / » cal On 57
mi. Kar μὴν ἂν ταῦτον γε avT@ τιθὴ τοὔνομα,
δ \ + ᾽ , 7 5 > /
ἢ μηδενὸς ὄνομα ἀναγκασθήσεται λέγειν" εἰ δέ τινος
ϑ i} , XN + > / A
αὐτὸ φήσει, συμβήσεται TO ὄνομα ὀνόματος ὀνομα
/ 32) \ 3 Ν yy
μόνον, ἄλλου Oe οὐδενὸς ov ;
CEAI. Otras.
μα ἂν Ne, ΡΝ A x , A
mE. Καὶ τὸ ἐν ye, ἐνὸς [εν] ov μόνον, καὶ τοῦτο
3 / Ne δὰ A
ὀνόματος Ταὐτὸ ἕν ὀντ.
thing, there are two: if the
same, the name either denotes
nothing, or itself only. Hence
if they admit that a name is
anything, their One Being be-
comes the name of a name.”
6. ἢ μηδενὸς --- εἰ δέ τινος]
Change of construction for ἢ εἴ
τινος.
το. Καὶ τὸ ἕν γε] “And (it will
result) that the One also is
only one of one, and this ‘ One
that is’ again (rodro—av τὸ ἕν
ὄν) (proves to be the name) of
a name.” 1.6, “Oneness is only
predicable of The One, and
this after all is but a name.”
So, a little differently from
Heindorf, I would translate the
words as they stand (reading
αὖ τὸ). The omission of ἕν after
ἑνός, aS in nine MSS., hardly af-
fects the sense. Heindorf ren-
ders: “ Atque unum, quatenus
est unius tantum unum, hoc
quoque nominis rursus unum
(das Eins eines Namens) esse
efficietur. Pendet enim etiam
postremum hoc ὃν a pregresso
συμβήσεται." The place seems
to be corrupt: but none of
the emendations hitherto made
are satisfactory. The Bod1.,
with Ai, has
The MSS. give αὐτὸ ἕν ὄν.
Stallb. :
αὐτὸ ἕν Ov,
(This is not dialectic but
common sense.)
Herm. :
τοῦτο ὀνόματος αὖ TO ἕν ὄν.
Badham: καὶ τὸ ἕν γε, ἑνὸς
ἕν ὃν μόνον καὶ τοῦτο, ὀνόματος δ᾽
οὐ τὸ But how does
this help to prove that all
questions are alike unanswer-
able on the Eleatic principle ?
Steinhart: καὶ τὸ ὄν ye, ἑνὸς
ὃν ὄνομα, καὶ τούτου ὄντος ὀνόμα-
- »
τοῦ ὀνόματος.
\ ΕΝ > ,
Kal οὐ που OVOLaTOS
Go a aL Lh x
evos εν ovopa ov, Kat
a 2,
εν OV,
τος αὐτὸ ὃν ὄνομα.
Wagner (in Rhein. Mus. XI.
1857): καὶ τὸ ὄν ye ἑνὸς ὄνομα ὄν,
καὶ τοῦτο ὀνόματος αὖ τὸ ὄνομα ὄν.
The two last mentioned at-
tempt to resume and complete
the argument from τίς οὖν ---
ἀπόκρισις. And it is clear that
the sentence contains an appli-
cation of the preceding remark
to the One Being.
Perhaps the words
ἕν ὄν may be the remains of
east
αυτό
σι
name be
identified
with the
thing, in
which case
it is either
the name
of nothing
or the
name of
itself, that
is, of a
name.
And Being
is but the
name ot
One, which
is a name.
10 Further,
their One
Being is
conceive?
as Totality.
But if it
be a whole,
“ Like
every way
unto a
rounded
sphere,”
it then has
parts, viz.
centre and
circumfer-
ence. And
that which
has parts
may be
one as par-
taking of
unity, but
cannot be
the same
with unity,
for unity is
without
parts.
5
112
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αναγκη.
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
/ o te fal “ ἃ δ
HE. Τί δέ: τὸ ὅλον ἕτερον τοῦ ὄντος ἕνος ἢ
a’ / /
TavTov φήσουσι TOUT® ;
ἐ
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ οὐ φήσουσί τε καὶ φασίν ;
> o Cc /
SE. Ei τοίνυν ὅλον ἐστίν, ὥσπερ καὶ Παρμενίδης
λέγει,
’ >) ᾽ὔ , , , 32)
πάντοθεν εὐκύκλου σφαίρης ἐναλίγκιον OKO,
’ " A , A ‘ A »” , “
μεσσόθεν ἰσοπαλες TAVTH TO γὰρ OU TE TL μεῖζον
” , , , eae) ae, o
OUST OTE βαιότερον πελέναι χβέον εστι TH ] TY;
an “Ὁ ἈΠ [ΔᾺΝ , yy ” a
to TOLOUTOV Ye OV TO OV μέσον TE καὶ εσχατα EXEL, ταυτα
\ » a > , ’ὔ ΒΩ ἊΝ a
ε εχὸν TACK αναγκΚῇ μερὴ EXEL. 1) πως 5
CEAI. Οὕτως.
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τό ye μεμερισμένον πάθος μὲν
a CaN of > lal / tal 3 \ 3
TOU ἑνὸς ἔχειν ἐπὶ τοῖς μέρεσι πᾶσιν οὐδὲν ἀποκω-
SEAL ΤΠ γῆς
some marginal note (6. g. αὐτοῦ
τοῦ ἑνὸς, explaining ὀνόματος),
and Plato may have written
kat TO ἕν ye ἑνὸς ἕν ὄνομα ὄν,
καὶ τοῦτο ὀνόματος. “ And (it
will result) that the One also
is the one name of One, and
that of a name.” 1.6. Not
only is Being not another name
for Unity, or Unity for Being,
but Unity is the name only of
aname.” The drift of the pre-
ceding argument is the fol-
lowing :
“Are ἕν and ὃν two names
for the same thing ?
“ Are they even two names ?
Or can there be both name
and thing ?
“Even the one name ἕν
can only be the name of a
name.”
. ὅλον ἐστίν Se. τὸ ὄν.
e
, ‘ , \ an ΕΝ ἢ A 5
15 λύει, καὶ ταὐτῃ δὴ πᾶν τε ὃν καὶ ὅλον ἐν εἶναι.
So far unity has been attained
by merging all things in the
mere name ἕν ὄν. But is not
τὸ ὅλον still distinct from this ?
10. μέσον τε καὶ ἔσχατα ἔχει]
Cf. Parm. 145 a:
ἀρχὴν ἂν ἔχοι καὶ μέσον καὶ Te-
λεύτην ; ἢ οἷόν τέ τι ὅλον εἶναι
ὅλον οὐ καὶ
ἄνευ τριῶν τούτων ; K.T.A.
13. πάθος μὲν τοῦ ἑνὸς ἔχειν]
“That which has parts may
indeed partake of unity in all
the parts (i.e. may have unity
impressed on them), and being
thus an All and a Whole may
be in this way one.” For the
distinction of πᾶν and ὅλον, see
Thezet.204, which passage Plato
may have thought of here. The
words πάθος and πάσχειν are
used in the same sense also in
Parmen. 147, alib. See Grote’s
Plato, vol. ii. pp. 303-306.
p- 244i)
P- 245:
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
113
EE. To δὲ πεπονθὸς ταῦτα Gp οὐκ ἀδύνατον αὐτό
Ν, ἃ SEEN 5
γε TO ἕν αὐτο εἰναι;
OEAI. Πώς;
HE. ᾿Αμερὲς δή που δεῖ παντελῶς TO γε ἀληθῶς
A \ Ν > \ / 7,4
ἐν κατὰ τὸν ὀρθὸν λογον εἰρῆσθαι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Δεῖ γὰρ οὖν.
lal > “~ “ “ J
BE. To δέ ye τοιοῦτον ἐκ πολλῶν μερῶν ὃν ov
/ lal /
συμφωνήσει τῷ λόγῳ.
OEAI. Μανθάνω.
΄ 3, δὰ a Ν
ΞΕ), Πότερον δὴ πάθος ἔχον τὸ *ov* τοῦ ἑνὸς
v4 a yy NGO, Ἃ , \ /
οὕτως EV TE ἐσται καὶ OAOY, ἢ παντάπασι μὴ λέγωμεν
“ 3 NBs,
ὅλον εἶναι TO OV;
ΘΕΑΙ. Χαλεπὴν προβέβληκας αἵρεσιν.
EE. ᾿Αληθέστατα μέντοι λέγεις. πεπονθὸς τε γὰρ
XN oN A 5 7 > PEN δΟ SEN / Ν
TO OV εν ELVAL πῶς, οὐ TAVTOY ον Τῷ ενι φαίνεται, Και
7 Ν \ / CaN 32)
πλέονα On τὰ πάντα ἐνὸς ἔσται.
SEAI. Nai.
1. To δὲ πεπονθὸς ταῦτα]
Compare the language of Parm.
147 C-148 c: 7 ἕτερον εἶναι
πέπονθε τῶν ἄλλων, καὶ τἄλλα
ἐκείνου ὡσαύτως, ταύτῃ ταὐτὸν ἂν
πεπονθότα εἶεν τό τε ἕν τοῖς ἄλλοις
καὶ τἄλλα τῷ ἑνί K.T.A,
2. τὸ ἕν αὐτὸ εἶνα)7η The
pronoun αὐτὸ is added where
the subject has been thrown
back to the beginning of the
sentence, as in Rep. 5,477 d:
ἐπιστήμην πότερον δύναμίν twa
φὴς εἶναι αὐτήν ;
10. Πότερον δὴ] [. 6. “Is
Being one only by participa-
tion in unity, and a whole in
this way, or is Being not to
be thought of as a whole at
all 2”
τὸ Τὸν τοῦ ἑνὸς] The MSS.
agree in giving ὅλον, but ὃν,
the correction of Schleier-
macher, is absolutely required.
The same corruption occurs in
Prot. 361 b. The Bodleian,
by giving τῷ ὅλῳ λόγῳ just
above, betrays the tendency
which has produced the error.
Cf. Theet. 149 ¢, ἀτόκοις (Bod.
ἀτόποις With ἀτοπώτατος above):
Ib. 158 ¢, ὅτῳ χρὴ (Bodleian
ὅτῳ χρόνῳ χρὴ, With χρόνου
below).
13. Χαλεπὴν ---- αἵρεσιν] Cf.
Theet. 196 ¢: ἴλπορον αἵρεσιν
προτίθης, ὦ Σώκρατες. Legg. 9,
858 a: ΤΓελοίαν, ὦ ξένε, προτιθέ-
μεθα τὴν αἵρεσιν.
14. ᾿Αληθέστατα μέντοι λέγεις]
“You are right. It is truly
difficult.”
to Is Being
then one
only by
participa-
tion, or
shall we
say that
Being is
not a
whole ?
15 In the for-
mer case
Being is
distinct
from Unity
and there
arises
a plurality
of ele-
ments.
And in the
latter case,
supposing
a whole
to exist,
there exists
something
outside of
Being: and
moreover
there is
again
plurality.
114
_ Ν \ x97 4 » 3 ‘ 0 A A ;
EE. Καὶ μὴν ἐάν ye τὸ ὃν ἢ μὴ ὅλον διὰ TO πε- p. 245}
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
/ \ es > , , 53 \ ΒΥΡΆ, ‘ “
πονθέναι τὸ Um ἐκείνου πάθος, ἡ δὲ αὐτὸ τὸ ὅλον,
> \ APA « ΄σ /
ἐνδεὲς TO ὃν ἑαυτοῦ ξυμβαίνει.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πανυ γε.
cal \ Ν / ε al /
SE. Καὶ κατὰ τοῦτον δὴ τὸν λόγον ἑαυτοῦ aTEpo-
» Ὁ y N A
μένον οὐκ OV EDOTAL TO OV,
SEAI. Οὕτως.
μα / 3 / \ ’ /
SE. Kai ἑνός ye ad πλείω τὰ πάντα γίγνεται,
“ a Ν σι Ν 507 ξ ΄ /
TOU TE OVTOS καὶ τοῦ ὁλου χωρὶς ἰδίαν ἑκατέρου φυ-
/
τοσιν εἰληφότος.
OEAI. Ναί.
Ν 5) \ , =, 2 We ve
EE. Μὴ ὄντος δέ ye τὸ παράπαν τοῦ ὅλου, ταὐτὰ
A e , ΄- 7 A ΄- Χ 53
τε ταῦτα ὑπάρχει τῷ ὄντι καὶ πρὸς τῷ μὴ εἶναι μηδ᾽
Ἃ » ΝΠ ζ
ἂν γενέσθαι ποτε ov.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δή;
Ν ’
SE. Τὸ γενόμενον ἀεὶ
τ. ἢ μὴ ὅλον] The order of
words is inverted, as so often
happens in this dialogue, pro-
bably in order to point the
antithesis by giving emphasis
to μή. “If Being is not a whole
through parcicipating in unity,
and the nature of the whole
exists, Being then falls short
of Being” (does not contain all
that exists).
Is Being abstract or con-
crete? If abstract, Being is
not a whole, or finite. If con-
crete, Being is separate from
abstract Unity. In the latter
case there are two principles.
In the former, (a) if a whole
exists, not only are there two
principles, but something ex-
ists apart from being: and
(8) if a whole does not exist,
Being could never haye come
/ σ“ iA a
γέγονεν ὁλον, ὥστε οὔτε
to be, for what has come to
be is completed as a whole.
This last argument is much in
the spirit of the Parmenides.
Compare also Phileb. 15 Ὁ:
πῶς (Set ὑπολαμβάνειν) μίαν ἑκά-
στην οὖσαν ἀεὶ τὴν αὐτὴν καὶ μήτε
γένεσιν μήτε ὄλεθρον προσδεχο-
μένην, ὅμως εἶναι βεβαιότατα μίαν
ταύτην. The Eleatic would of
course reply that he denies
γένεσις altogether. And so
Plato would have reasoned at
an earlier time.
12. ταὐτά τε ταῦτα ὑπάρχει TO
” > a > νὰ ,
ὄντι] οὐκ ὄν ἐστι καὶ πλείω
ἑνός. Compare the language
of the Parmenides. Bodl,
ταῦτά τε ταὐτά.
16. γέγονεν ὅλον] Cf. Parm.
153 ¢: Kat μὴν μόριά ye φήσο-
“ ἘΣ 5 a
μεν ταῦτ᾽ εἶναι πάντα τἄλλα τοῦ
[τὸ Χ Θεὸν > A x > Le
ὅλου τε καὶ ἑνός, αὐτὸ δὲ ἐκεῖνο
c
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
115
> / »ὔ 7 5 a , Ν
. 245. οὐσίαν οὔτε γένεσιν ὡς οὖσαν δεῖ προσαγορεύειν Ττὸ
ἃ » WG? » “-“ 5 \ ,
εν nt TO ὅλον ἐν τοῖς οὖσι μὴ τιθέντα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασιν ἔοικε ταῦθ᾽ οὕτως ἔχειν.
EE. Καὶ μὴν οὐδ᾽ ὁποσονοῦν τι δεῖ τὸ μὴ
(Cy , \ + « , Ἂ oy A
εἰναι" TOOOV TL yap OV, OTTOOOV OV No TOO OUTOV
> a 3
ἀναγκαῖον εἰναι.
OEAI. Κομιδῇ γε.
“
oAov
3, 7 ,
HE. Καὶ τοίνυν ἄλλα μυρία ἀπεράντους ἀπορίας
4 9 Ν χω “- XN oN Sy , \ 3)
ἕκαστον εἰληφος φανεῖται τῷ τὸ ὃν εἴτε δυο τινε ETE
ἃ , 53 ΄
ἐν μόνον εἰναι λέγοντι.
OEAI. Δηλοῖ σχεδὸν καὶ τὰ νῦν ὑποφαίνοντα"
Le \ (4 y /
συνάπτεται yap ἕτερον ἐξ ἄλλου, μείζω Kal χαλε-
’ / Ν “ x7 cy ε ,
πωτέραν φέρον περὶ τῶν ἐμπροσθεν ἀεὶ ῥηθέντων
πλάνην.
— Χ \ ? Sy
SE. Tovs μὲν τοίνυν διακριβολογουμένους ὄντος
ἅμα τῇ τελευτῇ γεγονέναι ἕν τε
καὶ ὅλον. 1.6. the use of the
aorist γενόμενον implies that
an action has been completed.
Cf. Theet. 155 b, ec.
I. τὸ ἐν ἢ] These words
are in all the MSS., but there
can be little doubt that they
arise either from a gloss or
from some corruption of the
text. Heindorf conjectured
τὸν τὸ ὅλον, which is probably
right.
8. ἄλλα μυρία] “ You know
that innumerable other points
will each be found involved in
endless difficulties.” Cf. Theeet.
1550, d: καὶ ἄλλα δὴ μυρία ἐπὶ
μυρίοις οὕτως ἔχει, εἴπερ καὶ ταῦτα
παραδεξόμεθα. For an_illus-
tration of the truth of this
Plato would point to the Par-
menides.
12. ἕτερον ἐξ ἄλλου] For the
Q
variety, cf. Phileb. 57 b: dpa
ἔστι τις ἑτέρας ἄλλη καθαρωτέρα
ἐπιστήμης ἐπιστήμη. And for
περὶ ἔμπροσθεν κ. τ. Xa,
Theet. 177 ¢: πλείω ἀεὶ ἐπιρ-
ρέοντα καταχώσει ἡμῶν τὸν ἐξ
ἀρχῆς λόγον.
15.Tovs μὲν τοίνυν κιτ.λ.7“ὙΥ 61]
then, concerning those who
treat exactly of Being and
Not-Being, let so much suffice,
although the subject is by no
means exhausted. We must
now turn and look at others
who speak less precisely, that
we may learn from the most
general survey that Being is
no less troublesome to com-
prehend than Not-Being.”
“Let us approach them, then.
Proceed.”
(1 see them, through their
dispute about the nature of
Being, engaged in a warfare
τῶν
ο
-
10 into being,
But if
there is no
“
oAov 5 Whole, not
only must
there be
plurality,
(for then
Being is
not One)
but Being
cannot
have come
still less
exist, for
nothing is
completed
but as a
whole.
Nor can
Being have
number,
'5 for, what-
ever num-
ber it has,
it has this
as a whole,
or sum.
110
/ ἈΝ ‘ / \
τε πέρι καὶ μὴ πανυ μεν
which resembles that of the
Giants and the Gods.”
“What do you mean ?”
“The one faction would drag
everything to Earth out of
the Heaven of the Unseen,
literally laying their grasp on
rocks and trees. For they
fasten upon everything of this
kind, and contend uncompro-
misingly that this alone exists
which affords resistance and is
sensible to the touch: so they
define Being and Body to be
the same. But they utterly
despise the rest of the world,
whoever asserts that a bodiless
thing has being, and, on hear-
ing this, refuse to listen to
another word.”
“They are indeed a fearful
sort of men. I have encoun-
tered many of them myself,
ere now.”
“Yes, and that is why their
opponents are so cautious in
their defence, and fight with
them from some invisible aéry
hold, contending in spite of all
that True Being consists of
certain bodiless forms, seen
only by the mind: but the
bodies to which the others
cling, and the realities of
which they speak, these little
by little in their arguments
disintegrate and crumble
down, and describe them as
not substance but a moving
flux of change. Between these
armies from time immemorial
a battle has been joined,
which continues with unabated
fury.”
(1 5.) διακριβολογουμένου-----ἀλ-
os λέγοντας] In the former
class are obyiously contaimed
MAATQNOZ
ov διεληλύθαμεν, ὅμως δὲ
all who have hitherto been
mentioned—the Ionics, Elea-
tics, Heraclitus, Empedocles :
and the word é:axp. probably
means “ those who have defined
precisely the number and the
kinds of being.” Cf.supr. 2424:
ὅστις πώποτε ἐπὶ κρίσιν ὥρμησε
τοῦ τὰ ὄντα διορίσασθαι πόσα τε
καὶ ποῖά ἐστιν. It is less certain
who are spoken of as διακρ.
περὶ τοῦ μὴ ὄντος. Perhaps the
prohibition of Parmenides is
alone referred to, perhaps
Leucippus may be also in-
tended. It does not seem
probable that Gorgias, Pro-
tagoras, Antisthenes, or the
Megarians (as Heindorf sup-
poses) are included in this ex-
pression. The contemporaries
of Socrates seem to be resery-
ed, with those of Plato, for the
following section (p. 246). The
meaning of ἄλλως is best infer-
red from that of διακριβολογου-
μένους, to which ἄλλως λέγοντας
is opposed. “Those who speak
with less exactness.” “ Those
who do not seek to determine
the number or the kinds of
Being.” The schools which are
now to be described are in
truth engaged with a different
problem: respecting the nature
of Being or Essence, whether
this be ideal or corporeal—a
question with which mathe-
matical or numerical exactness
has little to do. For a simi-
lar use of ἄλλως, ef. Hdt. V.
8: ἄλλως γῇ κρύψαντες. Crat.
425 ἃ: ἡμᾶς δὲ δεῖ εἴπερ τεχνι-
κῶς ἐπιστησόμεθα σκοπεῖσθαι αὐτὰ
πάντα, οὕτω διελομένους, εἴτε κατὰ
τρόπον τά τε πρῶτα ὀνόματα κεῖ-
ται καὶ τὰ ὕστερα, εἴτε μή, οὕτω
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
Τὺ
245. ἱκανῶς ἐχέτω: τοὺς δὲ ἄλλως λέγοντας αὖ θεατέον,
. 246
ett hi , lanl “ Ν Ὁ an \ 5᾽ > \
ἵν ἐκ πάντων εἰδῶμεν OTL TO OY TOU μὴ ὄντος οὐδεν
» / ’ lal σ / Se
εὐπορώτερον ELTTELY O TL TOT εστιν.
GEAI. Οὐκοῦν πορεύεσθαι χρὴ καὶ ἐπὶ τούτους.
be Ν Ν yx ΄ » > - -
mE. Καὶ μὴν ἐοικέ ye ἐν αὑτοῖς οἷον γιγαντο-
θεᾶσθαι. ἄλλως δὲ
φαῦλον ἢ καὶ οὐ καθ᾽ ὁδόν, ὦ φίλε
Ἑρμόγενες, where ἄλλως = μὴ
διελομένους, as here it is = μὴ δια-
κριβολογουμένους, in both places
with a touch of blame, which
is here satirically directed by
Plato against the philosophers
who were most nearly con-
temporary with himself. See
also Legg. 1, 635 e, where
all other existing common-
wealths are distinguished from
the Spartan and Cretan con-
stitutions in the words τί δια-
φέρον ἐν ταύταις ταῖς πολιτείαις
ἢ ταῖς τῶν εἰκῇ πολιτευομένων
ἀνευρήσομεν.
(1.) πάνυ μὲν οὐ διεληλύθαμεν]
“We most certainly have not
exhausted —.”” σπσάνυ is ad-
verbial to the phrase οὐ διελη-
λύθαμεν. πάντας, which Hein-
dorf adopted from the quo-
tation of Eusebius, is less
forcible. Cf. Prot. 338 Ὁ,
πάνυ μὲν οὐκ ἤθελεν, quoted by
Stallbaum, who, notwithstand-
ing, rejects the MS. reading
here because it is not literally
true that the early philoso-
phers had been not at all dis-
cussed : “ Recensuit enim non-
nullos quanquam non omnes
tetigit.”” But διεληλ. implies
either going through them all,
or discussing them thoroughly.
Phileb. 51 ¢: πάνυ μὲν οὖν οὐκ
εὐθὺς δῆλά ἐστιν. --- πειρατέον
μήν. See an instructive note
συνείρειν μὴ
on οὐ πάνυ in Mr. Cope’s Gor-
elas.
2. ἐκ mavrov| As the result
derived from all, the same
which has now been derived
from a part only. Cf. Theset.
171 ¢, ἐξ ἁπάντων, and note ;
Ar. Met. VII. 998 a; and vid.
infr. 251 6: ἵνα τοίνυν πρὸς ἅπαν-
τας ἡμῖν ὃ λόγος 7} K.T.A.
ὅτε τὸ ὃν τοῦ μὴ ὄντος]
This notion was advanced with
some hesitation supr. 242 c¢:
μή πῃ τεταραγμένοι μὲν ὦμεν.
243 ¢: Τάχα τοίνυν ἴσως κ.τ.λ.,
and is more decidedly enforced
infra 250 d.
5. γιγαντομαχία] Plato notices
amongst contemporary philo-
sophers a conflict between ma-
terialists and idealists, which
he compares to the war of the
Giants with the Gows: the
terrible children of the earth
are seen hurling blind defi-
ance at their opponents, who
fortify themselves securely
from this rude violence in an
invisible Heaven. In a similar
spirit, in the Politicus, p. 291 a,
the statesmen of the day are
compared to Centaurs and
Satyrs and other monstrous
forms. See Coleridge’s Friend,
vol. iii, p. 129.—The mate-
rialist has no way upwards
His “element is below.” The
idealist finds his way up, but
not down again.
II. Ὁ;
5 We pro-
ceed to
examine a
clifferent
order of
philosophic
schools,
somewhat
less exact
in their
announce-
ments,
whose end-
less conflict
respecting
the nature
of essence
resembles
that of the
Giants
with the
Gods.
The advo-
eates of a
bodily prin-
ciple,whose
touchstone
is the sense
118
μαχία τις εἶναι διὰ τὴν ἀμφισβήτησιν περὶ τῆς P- 249-4)
οὐσίας πρὸς ἀλλήλους.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς;
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
--- e \ , ~ 5 5 cal Ν nn 5 4
ΞΕ. Οἱ μὲν εἰς γῆν ἐξ οὐρανοῦ καὶ Tov ἀοράτου
περιλαμβάνοντες.
, 0 o lal / ΄
δπάντα ἕλκουσι, ταῖς χερσὶν ἀτεχνῶς πέτρας καὶ δρῦς
“ Ν “ >’ /
TOV yap τοιούτων ἐφαπτόμενοι
΄ -. ce 53 / a /
TTAVT@V διισχυρίζονται TOUTO E€LVAL μόνον ὁ πάρέχει
Χ \ > / SFR a QA > /
προσβολὴν καὶ ἐπαφὴν τινα, TAVTOY σῶμα καὶ οὐσίαν
«ς / “ \ 3, 3, lal »
ὁριζόμενοι, τῶν δὲ ἄλλων, εἴ τίς φησι μὴ σῶμα ἔχον
5 a Ν
το εἰναι, καταφρονοῦντες τὸ
y+ Ἢ
λοντες ἄλλο ἀκούειν.
/, aN Iad 3 /
παράπαν καὶ οὐδὲν ἐθέ-
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἢ δεινοὺς εἴρηκας avdpas’ ἤδη γὰρ καὶ
3 \ / o 7
εγὼ TOUT@V συχνοις τροσετυχον.
I. περὶ τῆς οὐσίας] No longer
τοῦ ὄντος. ‘This change of ter-
minology indicates that we are
entering on a new and more
abstract phase of philosophy.
5. ἕλκουσι] “ Drag by main
force.” The word is often
used to indicate perversity in
argument. Cf. infr. ἃ :
σῶμα πάντα ἑλκόντων βίᾳ. οὐ-
ρανὸς is elsewhere identified by
Plato with the visible region,
e.g. Rep. 6, 509 €: ὁρατοῦ, iva
μὴ οὐρανὸν εἰπὼν δοκῶ σοι σοφί-
εσθαι περὶ τὸ ὄνομα. Earth
and Heaven are here opposed,
as there the visible and intel-
lectual worlds.
ἀτεχνῶς πέτρας kal δρῦς περι-
λαμβάνοντες) C. F. Hermann
inserts ὡς before πέτρας. This
is quite unnecessary, and takes
from the liveliness of the image.
The metaphor is continued, and
the materialists are said, like
the earth-born monsters, to lay
their grasp on rocks and trees
τῶν εἰς
in their warfare. In Hesiod it
is the hundred-handed sons of
Heaven and Earth, the allies of
Zeus, who throw the rocks up-
on the Titans. Theog.67 5-715.
But see Hor. Od. III. 4: evulsis-
que truncis Enceladus jaculator
audax. πέτρα καὶ δρῦς are also
in Homer the symbols of in-
animate nature, as in the line
quoted by Socrates in his De-
fence: ov yap ἀπὸ δρύος ἤλυθον
οὐδ᾽ ἀπὸ πέτρης. Cf. Rep. ὃ,
544 6: ἢ οἴει ἐκ δρυός ποθεν ἢ ἐκ
πέτρας τὰς πολιτείας γίγνεσθαι ;
6. ἐφαπτόμενοι] “ Fastening
upon all such objects” (for the
purposes of their argument).
9. τῶν δὲ ἄλλων, εἴ tis φησι]
“ But, utterly despising all
others, whosoever says that
what has not body exists, and
refusing to hear from them an-
other word.” Stephanus added
τι, which is found (after τις) in
C. H. re. B.
13. συχνοῖς προσέτυχον] Cf.
b
. 246.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ.
119
SE. Τοιγαροῦν οἱ πρὸς αὐτοὺς ἀμφισβητοῦντες
7 ’ a / \
μάλα εὐλαβῶς ἄνωθεν ἐξ ἀοράτου ποθὲν ἀμύνονται,
\ A Ν > / BA el \ >
νοητὰ ATTA καὶ ἀσώματα εἰδὴ βιαζόμενοι THY ἀλη-
\ > / 53 Ἧ Ν \ > / / Ν \
θινὴν οὐσίαν εἰναι" τὰ δὲ ἐκείνων σώματα Kal τὴν
/ Ces). » a / Ν
λεγομένην ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν ἀλήθειαν κατὰ σμικρὰ δια-
/ lal / / >
Opavovres ἐν τοῖς λόγοις γένεσιν ἀντ᾽ οὐσίας φερο-
΄ Χ ΄
μένην τινὰ προσαγορευοῦυσιν.
> / \ Ν
ἐν μέσῳ δὲ περὶ
a yy > , 7 5 / aN
ταῦτα ἄπλετος ἀμφοτέρων μάχη τις, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ἀεὶ
7,
ξυνέσ TYKEV.
OEAI. ᾿Αληθῆ.
5 lal / ΄σ σ΄
=H. [lap ἀμφοῖν τοίνυν τοῖν γενοῖν κατὰ μέρος
ld / - - “ »
λάβωμεν λόγον ὑπὲρ ἧς τίθενται τῆς οὐσίας.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς οὖν δὴ ληψόμεθα ;
Cratyl. 429 d: *Ap’ ὅτι ψευδῆ
λέγειν τὸ παράπαν οὐκ ἔστιν, dpa
σοι τοῦτο δύναται 6 λόγος : συχνοὶ
γάρ τινες οἱ λέγοντες, ὦ φίλε Κρα-
τύλε, καὶ νῦν καὶ πάλαι.
(13.) προσέτυχον] So the Zur.
editors. Heind. and Stallb.,
with some MSS., περιέτυχον.
“ Encountered” suits the pas-
sage better than “ lit upon.”
I. Τοιγαροῦν] Se. ἅτε δεινοὶ
ὄντες.
2. μάλα εὐλαβῶς] “ With ex-
cellent heed.” In fact never
crossing weapons with their
opponents. For each denies
the existence of that by which
the other holds.
3. βιαζόμενοι] “« Contending
vehemently in spite of all diffi-
culties ;” like ἕλκοντες above.
Cf. supr. 2416: βιάζεσθαι τό τε
μὴ ὃν ὡς ἔστι κατά τι καὶ τὸ ὃν αὖ
πάλιν ὡς οὐκ ἔστι πῃ; 1. 6. “to
forcethe conclusion evenagainst
the authority of Parmenides.”
4. THY λεγομένην ---- ἀλήθειαν]
“The reality of which they
speak.” ἀλήθεια, = reality,seems
to have been a favourite term
with the opponents of ideal
philosophy in Greece. Cf.
Theeet. 152 d and note.
5. κατὰ σμικρὰ διαθραύοντες ἐν
τοῖς λόγοις] Cf. Theet. 179 d:
προσιτέον οὖν ἐγγυτέρω, Kal σκε-
πτέον τὴν φερομένην ταύτην οὐσίαν
διακρούοντα, εἴτε ὑγιὲς εἴτε σαθρὸν
φθέγγεται.
7. ἐν μέσῳ δὲ περὶ ταῦτα]
“ Betwixt these armies on this
theme is waged an endless
war.”
8. ἄπλετος---μάχη---ἀε] Cf.
Legg. 10, 906 a, of the conflict
between good and evil: μάχη
δή, φαμεν, ἀθάνατός ἐστιν ἡ τοι-
αὕτη. Phileb. 15 6: τοῦτο οὔτε
μὴ παύσηταί ποτε ovte ἤρξατο
Tim. 28 a: ὑπὲρ ἧς τίθεν-
I. 6. ὑπὲρ τῆς
νῦν.
ται τῆς οὐσίας.
οὐσίας, ἣν τίθενται.
12. λάβωμεν λόγον] Cf. Theset.
161 Ὁ: λόγον παρ᾽ ἑτέρου σοφοῦ
λαβεῖν. Meno 70 d: λαμβάνειν
λόγον καὶ ἐλέγχειν. Rep.1, 337 Ὁ.
5
10
of touch,
drag every-
thing to
earth out
of the hea-
ven of the
Unseen.
From
thence an
army,
* lapped
in proof
eterne,”
carefully
defend
their aéry
citadel of
bodiless
forms, and
by their
arguments
reduce to
a flux of
transitory
production
the seem-
ing reality
of yonder
bodily sub-
stance,
The prin-
ciples of
either
school are
called in
question,
and Thee-
tetus en-
gages to
impart
to the
Stranger
the tenor
of their
replies,
15
120
o > > > 4 /
BE. Παρὰ μὲν τῶν ev εἴδεσιν αὐτὴν τιθεμένων p. 246.4)
ΠΙΛΑΤΏΩΏΝΟΣ
ean ς / / \ \ cal > a“ ΄
ῥᾷον" ἡμερώτεροι yap’ παρᾶ δὲ τῶν εἰς σῶμα πάντα
ε ΄ 5 \ ‘\
ἑλκόντων Bia χαλεπώτερον, ἴσως δὲ καὶ σχεδὸν
é
ἀδύνατον.
5 δρᾷν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς:
ἀλλ᾽ ὧδέ μοι δεῖν δοκεῖ περὶ αὐτῶν
EE. Μάλιστα μέν, εἴ πῃ δυνατὸν ἦν, ἔργῳ βελ-
/ > \ “ > \ cal \ > ΄σ /
Tlovs αὑτοὺς ποιεῖν' εἰ δὲ τοῦτο μὴ ἐγχωρεῖ, AoY@
a « ’ ’ Ε Χ Δ ΄σ
τοίιῶμὲν,. ὑποτιθέμενοι νομιμώτερον αὐτοὺς ἢ νυν
17 Ἂ /
ιοέθέλοντας ἂν ἀποκρίνασθαι.
τὸ γὰρ ὁμολογηθὲν
Χ ΄, ΄ x \ \ ,
παρὰ βελτιονων ποὺ Κυριώτερον Ἢ TO παρᾶ χείρο-
νων᾿ ἡμεῖς δὲ οὐ τούτων φροντίζομεν, ἀλλὰ τἀληθὲς
ζητοῦμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὀρθότατα.
HE. Κέλευε δὴ τοὺς βελτίους γεγονότας ἀπο-
“ / Ν XN \ ’ x OA 2
κρίνασθαι σοι; καὶ τὸ AexOev παρ αὐτῶν adep-
μήνευε.
3. χαλεπώτερονἢ͵] The diffi-
culty of arguing with these
men is different from that
found with the Ephesian péov-
τες, who could not be made to
dwell on an idea, and arises
simply from their want of dia-
lectical refinement. Cf. Theeet.
155 6: εἰσὶ yap, ὦ παῖ, pad εὖ
ἄμουσοι.
9. νομιμώτερον] I. 6. More in
accordance with the acknow-
ledged rules of argument.
10. TO yap ὁμολογηθὲν ---- χει-
ρόνων] For the serious applica-
tion of this principle, ef. Legg.
2, 663 ο: τὴν δ᾽ ἀλήθειαν τῆς
κρίσεως ποτέραν κυριωτέραν εἶναι
φῶμεν ; πότερα τὴν τῆς χείρονος
ψυχῆς ἢ τὴν τῆς βελτίονος ; ᾿Αν-
aykaidy που τὴν τῆς ἀμείνονος.
12. ἡμεῖς δὲ οὐ τούτων φροντί-
Copev] Cf. Pheedo ο1 ο : ἂν ἐμοὶ
πειθῆσθε, σμικρὰ φροντίσαντες
Σωκράτους, τῆς δὲ ἀληθείας πολὺ
μᾶλλον, ἐὰν μέν τι δοκῶ ἀληθὲς
λέγειν, ξυνομολογήσετε, εἰ δὲ μὴ,
παντὶ λόγῳ ἀντιτείνετε. Plato
sometimes insists on the neces-
sity of individual conviction,
as in Protagoras 331 ¢ (οὐδὲν
yap δέομαι τὸ εἰ βούλει τοῦτο καὶ
εἴ σοι δοκεῖ ἐλέγχεσθαι ἀλλ᾽ ἐμέ
τε καὶ σέ), Gorg. 472 Ὁ, 474
a, b ; sometimes, as here, on
consistency of argument alone.
The former is the Socratic,
the latter the Platonic, mode
of asserting the supremacy of
reason.
16. παρ᾽ αὐτῶν] The preposi-
tion is introduced because of the
verb ἀφερμήνευε. “ Convey from
them to me the tenour of their
246.
247.
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ.
ΘΕΑ.ΑΙ. Ταῦτ᾽ ἐσται.
ΞΕ. Λεγόντων δὴ θνητὸν ζῶον εἰ
ναί τι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς δ᾽ οὔ:
12]
ασὶν €i-
φ
HE. Τοῦτο δὲ οὐ σῶμα ἔμψυχον ὁμολογοῦσιν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ γε.
ΞΕ. Τιθέντες τι τῶν ὄντων ψυχήν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Nai.
EE. Τί δέ; ψυχὴν οὐ τὴν μὲν δικαίαν, τὴν δὲ
5» ͵ 5 ᾿ \ \ 7 \ \
ἀδικὸν φασιν εἶναι, καὶ τὴν μὲν φρόνιμον, τὴν δὲ
ἄφρονα;
OEAI. Τί μήν ;
HE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐ δικαιοσύνης ἕξει καὶ παρουσίᾳ
, ’ a Cee, , Ν “ 5 /
TOLAUTYNV αὐτῶν EKAO THY γίγνεσθαι, και τῶν EVAYTLOV
\ ’ ,
THV EVAVTLAV 9
OEAI. Nai, καὶ ταῦτα ξύμφασιν.
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τό γε δυνατόν τῳ παραγίγνεσθαι
NYS. / ΄ “3, / ΄
και ἀπογίγνεσθαι TAVTMS ELVAL TL φησουσιν.
ΘΈΑΙ. Φασὶ μὲν οὖν.
2, 3 7ὔ /
HE. Οὔσης οὖν δικαιοσύνης καὶ φρονήσεως καὶ
5 »y » a Ν a 5 , Ν \ Ν lat
τῆς GAANS ἀρετῆς καὶ TOV ἐναντίων, καὶ δὴ καὶ ψυχῆς
» - a ’ , 7 ε XN e XN
ἐν ἡ ταῦτα ἐγγίγνεται, πότερον ὁρατὸν καὶ ἁπτὸν
Ὁ , / 5. is » 7 x7
ELVQAL φασί τι αὐτῶν 7) σαντα AOPaTa 9
ΘΕΑΙ. Σχεδὸν οὐδὲν τούτων γε ὁρατόν.
reply.” ἀφερμήνευε possibly (like
ἄλλως supr.) imputes to these
philosophers a want of clearness
in expression. At all events,
on the points in question an
ΠΟ answer could only be obtained
from them by way of inference.
Cf., however, Legg. 2, 660 Ὁ:
ὡς σὺ κατ᾽ Αἴγυπτον ἀφερμηνεύεις,
where the word means to 76-
port from a foreign country.
R
13. δικαιοσύνης ἕξει kat Ἱπαρου-
σίᾳ "] “ The possession and pre-
sence of justice.” See note on
Theet.153 Ὁ: ἡ δ᾽ ἐν τῇ ψυχῆ
ἕξις.
14. τῶν ἐναντίων] Se. ἕξει καὶ
παρουσίᾳ. The plural suggests
the conjecture that Plato wrote
δικαιοσύνης ἕξει καὶ φρονήσεως.
24. Σχεδὸν----ὁρατὸν] Cf. Lege.
To, 898 d.
5
The corpo-
realists are
the more
difficult,
because of
their dia-
lectical
rudeness
and incom-
petence.
For the
sake of ar-
gument we
must ima-
gine them
capable of
making a
wholesome
answer.
They ad-
mit, then,
the exist-
ence of a
mortal liy-
ing crea-
ture, which
is a body
containing
a soul.
Soul, then,
exists: and
may be
either
righteous
or un-
righteous,
wise or un-
20 Wise, ac-
cording as
the soul has
righteous-
ness and
wisdom, or
thereverse.
Righteous-
ness and
wisdom
(i. 6. virtue)
are thus
admitted to
exist. And
the soul
and virtue
are invi-
sible. And
of these in-
visibles,
though
they may
assert that
the soul is
in a man-
ner bodily,
theycannot
maintain
that virtue
has a cor-
poreal
form.
122
HE. Ti δέ:
ἴσχειν ;
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
ΘΕΑΙ. Τοῦτο οὐκέτι κατὰ ταὐτὰ ἀποκρίνονται
a > \ \ \ \ TEN “ ͵ πον
πᾶν, ἀλλὰ τὴν μεν ψυχὴν αὐτὴν δοκεῖν σφισι σῶμα
a 7 =~ 6
5τι κεκτῆσθαι, φρόνησιν δὲ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἕκαστον
fe; > ΄ > 7, Ν a x \ r
ὧν ἡρώτηκας, αἰσχύνονται TO τολμᾷν ἢ μηδὲν τῶν
yw 5 Ace - ΩΝ / > 53 / -
ὄντων αὐτὰ ὁμολογεῖν ἢ πάντ᾽ εἶναι σώματα διίσχυ-
ρίζεσθαι.
HE. Σαφῶς γὰρ ἡμῖν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, βελτίους
, »y > Ν ΄ »Ὸὃἢ}» ἃ A 5
10 YEYOVATLY ἄνδρες, ἐπεὶ τούτων OVO ἂν ἐν ἐπαισχυν-
a Ὡ > an / ἐν ᾽ J > \
θεῖεν οἵ ye αὐτῶν σπαρτοί τε Kal αὐτόχθονες, ἀλλὰ
τ. τί---ἴσχειν] Join τῶν τοι-
ούτων τι.
3. Τοῦτο οὐκέτι) ‘“ They an-
swer this with a distinction,
saying that the soul appears
to them to have a bodily form
of some kind, but with regard
to wisdom and the other things
of which you ask, they have
not the face either to admit
that these have no being, or
any longer to insist that all
things are bodily.”
4. τὴν μὲν ψυχὴν]! See De-
mocr. Fragmenta Physica (Mul-
lach), esp. ὃ 3. The word
πάντα does not resume φρόνη-
σιν x.t.r., but the sentence
reverts to an independent con-
struction. Cf. supr. 243 a, aud
note.
4. σῶμά τι κεκτῆσθαι] The
invisibility of the atoms of
Leucippus and Democritus is
no objection to these philo-
sophers being included here :
for these words imply the ex-
istence of an ἀόρατον σῶμα.
6. τὸ τολμᾷν] The inf. has
the force of a noun. Cf. οὐδ᾽
ἂν ἕν infra.
7. αὐτὰ] See note on αὐτὸ,
supr. 245 a.
II. σπαρτοί] By an accumu-
lation of similes not unusual
with him (see Thezt. 169 b,
Sciron and Anteus), Plato in-
troduces an allusion to the army
of Cadmus rising from the dra-
gon’s teeth, and also to the
first inhabitants of Attica, who,
like the Giants, sprang from
the ground. Cf. Rep. 3, 444 6,
Φοινικικόν τι, and Soph. did. Col.
1534, σπαρτῶν an ἀνδρῶν.
of αὐτῶν σπαρτοὶ καὶ αὐτό-
χθονε] Plato has obviously
some men in his eye, probably
the same to whom he alludes
in Theet. 155 e. If it is true
that Archelaus abandoned the
ideal principle of Anaxagoras,
and became a purely physical
philosopher, he is perhaps in-
cluded, as well as the contem-
porary followers of Demoeri-
tus. (See Introduction to Thez-
tetus, p. xxx sqq.) But there
appear to be some who, though
holding a material principle,
are thought capable of being
improved into the position
Cc
΄“΄ / 5 ΄σ / /
TOV τοιούτων LOY σῶμά TL λεγουσιν Ῥ-. 247.)
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
02
Awd
]
/ x a A Ν Ν rn
247. διατείνοιντ ἂν πᾶν, 0 μὴ δυνατοὶ ταῖς χερσὶ ξυμπιέ-
, « ,᾽΄ a »>a\ \ , >
Ce εἰσίν, ὡς apa τοῦτο οὐδὲν TO παράπαν ἐστίν.
OEAI. Σχεδὸν οἷα διανοοῦνται λέγεις.
jn A / ἴω / > ,
SE. Πάλιν τοίνυν ἀνερωτῶμεν αὐτούς" εἰ yap τι
\ ἊΝ 57 “ 5, a > /
καὶ σμικρὸν ἐθέλουσι τῶν ὄντων συγχωρεῖν ἀσώ-
> a
ἃ paroy, ἐξαρκεῖ.
ἣΝ Ν » / / vA Ν 33
TO yep ἐστὶ TE TOUTOLS AUa Και ETT
5 , “ y a \ / > ΟΣ /
EKELVOLS OTH EXEL σωμα ξυμφυὲς yeyovos, εἰς 0 βλέ-
5) / 53 4 an 5 «
ποντες ἀμφότερα εἰναι λέγουσι, τοῦτο αὐτοῖς ῥητέον.
(ues) 53 ͵ EY > 5 ᾽ ᾽ὔ a
Tax οὖν tows ἂν ἀποροίεν" εἰ δέ τι τοιοῦτον πεπόν -
, ,ὔ « a 53 » x
θασι, σκόπει, προτεινομένων ἡμῶν, ap ἐθέλοιεν ἂν
, « la Ud 5 3,
δέχεσθαι καὶ ὁμολογεῖν τοιόνδ᾽ εἶναι τὸ ὅν.
which is assigned them in
what follows, who by dialec-
tical pressure can be brought
to substitute force for body.
Perhaps the “disciples of Pro-
tagoras,” who said that “sen-
sation was knowledge,” are thus
viewed as a more refined sort
of materialists. If so, the irony
with which, in the Theztetus,
they are opposed to the wnini-
tiate becomes manifest. Cer-
tainly the words, τὴν λεγομένην
ὑπ᾿ αὐτῶν ἀλήθειαν κατὰ σμικρὰ
διαθραύοντες ἐν τοῖς λόγοις γένεσιν
ἀντ᾽ οὐσίας φερομένην τινὰ προσ-
ayopevovow, are an exact de-
scription of the “ Megarian”
treatment of Protagoras in the
Theeetetus, and it may be that
the notion of making the men
better for the sake of argu-
ment is suggested by the deve-
lopment of the “ sensational
idealism,” which is attributed
to him in that dialogue. It
is equally possible, however,
that the argument is pointed
at a supposed inconsistency be-
tween the physical and ethical
R
writings of Democritus. See
the views on “the soul,”
“justice,” “wisdom,” in De-
mocniius Hr. 1,34, 5: 6, 35,
SO MUD ΠΣ 29) 120, nor
(Mullach’s edition).
I. πᾶν ὃ μὴ δυνατοὶ ---εἰσί]
For the “pendent” constr. of
πᾶν, cf. supr. 219 Ὁ: πᾶν, ὅπερ
K.T.A.—TOv μὲν ἄγοντα ποιεῖν, τὸ
δὲ ἀγόμενον ποιεῖσθαί πουφάμεν.
ταῖς χερσὶ ovpmiecew] The
description of the ἀμύητοι in
Thezet. 155 e is closely parallel,
οἱ οὐδὲν ἄλλο οἰόμενοι εἶναι ἢ οὗ
ἂν δύνωνται ἀπρὶξ τοῖν χεροῖν
λαβέσθαι. Cf. Emped. 1. 356:
ἡμετέραις ἢ χερσὶ λαβεῖν. ἥπερ
τε μεγίστη πειθοῦς ἀνθρώποισιν
ἁμαξιτὸς εἰς φρένα πίπτει.
6. ἐπί τε τούτοι]͵ Cf. Theeet.
185 0) supr. 243 d,e.
7. ξυμφυὲς γεγονὸς} “ Which
arises as a common nature.”
10. προτεινομένων] The word
προτείνεσθαι in this sense 80-
quires a technical use in Aristo-
tle, cf. Topica, p. 164, b. 2: ἔστι
yap, ὡς ἁπλῶς εἰπεῖν, ὁ διαλεκτι-
κὸς ὁ προτατικὸς καὶ ἐνστατικός"
9
-
Io
We sup-
pose them
to make
this ad-
mission :
though it
is far more
than the
aboriginal
* Sons of
Earth”
would have
admitted.
We then
ask, If the
name ‘ ex-
istent’ ap-
plies to
things both
visible and
invisible,
what is the
common
nature
which is
thus pre-
dicated of
both ?
Lest we
shouldhave
to pause
for a reply,
we propose
to them the
following
definition
of Being :
“ΑἹ that
is by nature
capable
either of
doing or
suffering.’
Being is
potency,
124
IAATQNOZ
GEAI. To ποῖον δή ; λέγε, καὶ τάχα εἰσόμεθα.
/ \ \ « _ / 7
ΞῈ. Λέγω δὴ τὸ καὶ ὁποιανοῦν κεκτημένον du-
Γ ΑΣΖῚ > Ν lal “ἤ « a / 7 >
νᾶμιν, ELT ELS TO ποίειν ETEPOV OTLOVY πεφυκος, €LT
> Χ vad Ν / c Ν An /,
εἰς TO παθεῖν καὶ σμικρότατον ὑπο TOU φαυλοτάτου,
Ἃ > ΄ " ΄, “- ΄- Ε 5 - /
5 KQV εἰ μόνον εἰσάπαξ, σαν τοῦτο οντῶς εἰναι τίθεμαι
\ “ cd / Ἄν τον ε ᾽7 ᾽ yA \
yap opov, ὁρίζειν τὰ ὄντα, ὡς ἐστιν οὐκ ἄλλο τι πλὴν
δύναμις.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἐπείπερ αὐτοί γε οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἐν τῷ
/ / / / / lal
παρόντι τούτου βέλτιον λέγειν, δέχονται τοῦτο.
— K ave 5) Ν oN ’ 7 ΤΣ \
mE. Καλῶς" tows yap av εἰσυστερον ἡμίν TE καὶ
ἔστι δὲ τὸ προτείνεσθαι, ἕν ποιεῖν
τὰ πλείω (δεῖ γὰρ ἕν ὅλως ληφθῆναι
πρὸς ὃ ὁ λύγος) τὸ δ᾽ ἐνίστασθαι
τὸ ἕν πολλά, ἢ γὰρ ἀναιρεῖ ἢ δι-
αιρει.
2. Λέγω δὴ] “ Well, here I
give it you.” λέγω refers to
λέγε, and δὴ is used, δεικτικῶς,
as in καὶ δή.
3. εἴτ᾽ εἰς τὸ----φαυλοτάτου]
“ Hither so as to affect another
thing, or to be affected by the
least thing in the most trifling
way.” For this use of ποιεῖν,
whence the technical word ποι-
ητικός in later Greek philo-
sophy, cf. Thezet. 160 a.
5. κἂν εἰ μόνον εἰσάπαξ] As in
the production of an individual
sensation. Cf. Theet. 157 a.
τίθεμαι γὰρ ὅρον --- δύναμις
Badham conjectures τίθεμαι γὰρ
ὅρον ὡς ἔστιν οὐκ ἄλλο τι πλὴν
δύναμις. Boeckh. conj. ὁρίζων.
The construction of ὁρίζειν is
difficult. There is probably
an ellipse of δεῖν, οἵ, Δέδεικται
k.7.A. supr. 235 Ὁ. Mr. Grote,
in his eriticism of this dialogue,
appears to think that Plato
intended to allow this defi-
nition to stand. But does he
not attach more importance
than Plato does to what is only
a step, though an important
step, in the dialectical progress
of the argument ? Observe the
words (247 6), ἴσως yap ἂν εἰσύ-
στερον ἡμῖν τε καὶ τούτοις ἕτερον
ἂν φανείη. For an application of
the same notion, ef. Pheedr.
270 d: ὧδε δεῖ διανοεῖσθαι περὶ
ὁτουοῦν πρῶτον μὲν,
ἁπλοῦν ἢ πολυειδές ἐστιν----ἔπειτα
φύσεως,
δὲ, ἐὰν μὲν ἁπλοῦν 7, σκοπεῖν τὴν
δύναμιν αὐτοῦ, τίνα πρὸς τί πέ-
φυκεν εἰς τὸ δρᾷν ἔχον 7 τίνα εἰς
τὸ παθεῖν ὑπὸ τοῦ.
6. ὡς ἔστιν] Se. τὰ ὄντα.
9. δέχονται τοῦτο] In ἃ simi-
lar spirit, in Legg. 10, goo,
Clinias answers for the ob-
jectors. Compare also the ima-
ginary youth in the Phedrus
(p. 243 6).
10. Καλῶς] “ They say well.”
This refers to the modification
of their assent implied in ἐπεί-
περ αὐτοὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν K.T.D.
ἴσως γὰρ ἂν εἰσύστερον ----
gavein] Cf. Legg. 7, 820 6:
κείσθω μέντοι καθάπερ ἐνέχυρα
λύσιμα ἐκ τῆς ἄλλης πολιτείας,
ἐὰν ἤ τοὺς θέντας ἡμᾶς ἢ καὶ τοὺς
Ρ. 247}:
e
ΣΟΦΙΣΊΤΗΣ.
force, re-
ceptivity,
in a word,
power.
Supposing
this to be
accepted
for the
nonce, we
/ δ 3 ‘ \ 5 ,
247. τούτοις ἕτερον ἂν chavein. πρὸς μὲν οὖν τούτους
a e “- > a / /
248. τοῦτο ἡμῖν ἐνταῦθα μενέτω ξυνομολογηθέν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Μένει.
« 3, \ a , ΄-
HE. Πρὸς δὴ τοὺς ἑτέρους ἴωμεν, τοὺς τῶν εἰδῶν
/ \ \ Veal ani) Ν \ \ / > ,
φίλους" συ δ᾽ ἡμῖν καὶ τὰ παρὰ τούτων ἀφερμήνευε. 5
θεμένους ὑμᾶς μηδαμῶς φιλοφρο-
Rep. 4, 437 a.
4. Tos τῶν εἰδῶν φίλους]
The word εἶδος indicates that
the men here spoken of are
Socratics, so far at least as
the allusion is personal at
all. Now they are certainly
not Cynics ( Αντισθένειοι καὶ
οἱ οὕτως ἀπαίδευτοι), still less
Cyrenaics, with whom the only
“ essence” was a succession of
momentary πάθη. They are
Soeratics under an Eleatic or
Pythagorean influence. Pro-
clus, indeed, (Comment. in
Parmen. p. 149) takes it for
granted that Plato here al-
ludes directly to the Pythago-
rean school, whom Aristotle
includes with the Platonists
amongst the advocates of a
“motionless essence,” τῶν τὰς
ἀκινήτους οὐσίας λεγόντων, Met.
XIV. 4, to91 b. But, besides
the word εἶδος, the dialectical
features and the way in which
γένεσις 18 separated from οὐσία,
are inconsistent with this.
Four possible suppositions re-
main, if we believe the dia-
logues to be the work of
Plato. The “friends of forms”
are either (1) Megarians (since
Schleiermacher this has been
the most general impression) ;
or (2) Plato himself at an
earlier stage; or (3) Pla-
tonists who have imperfectly
understood Plato. The fourth
νῆται.
hypothesis combines (2) and
(3). The theory of Socher,
who imagined the ‘Sophist’ to
be a Megarian critique of Plato,
would make the Megarians, in
contradiction to the little which
we know of them, to be the
advocates of δύναμις, κίνησις and
γένεσις. In favour of the first
hypothesis, according to which
the Megarian philosophers are
the εἰδῶν φίλοι, it may be urged
that Plato, before writing these
dialogues, had stood in a rela-
tion of close intimacy with
Euclides and the Megarian
school, and that this passage is
a friendly criticism of views
with which he himself had at
one time strongly sympathized.
The name εἶδος, expressing the
object of definition, was a
common inheritance of the So-
cratics, and the tendency of the
Megarians to rest in sharply
defined, incommunicable 80-
stractions, appears not only in
the Sophisms of Eubulides but
in the objection of Euclides to
comparison, of which, as Plato
hints in what follows, the An-
tisthenean rejection of predica-
tion and definition was but the
caricature. As Zeno refuted
motion by the movement of
thought, so they by dialectic
made logic impossible. But on
the other hand we have no
warrant apart from this pas-
sage for supposing that they
turn to the
lovers of
idealforms.
Ye distin-
guish in
your dia-
lectic be-
tween Be-
coming and
Being :
whereof, ye
say, we
have bo-
dily and
sensible
partici-
pation in
the former,
but mental
and ratioci-
native par-
ticipation
with the
latter
alone,
which is
eternal,
whereas
Becoming
is transi-
tory and
JO
126
SEAI. Ταῦτ᾽ ἐσται.
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
> jf
EE. Deveow, τὴν δὲ οὐσίαν χωρίς που διελόμενοι
λέγετε; ἢ yap;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
=E K Ν / \ ς ἴω 7] ὃ 5 ᾽ θή
mi. αι σώματι μεν ἡμᾶς γενέσει OL αἰσθήσεως
rn \ ΄ι \ ΄σ XN Ἂν 3)
κοινωνεῖν, διὰ λογισμοῦ δὲ ψυχῇ πρὸς τὴν ὄντως
» jf A Sas \ ’ \ ς 7 ΒΥ / ra
OUOLAV, Ὧν HEL KATA TAVTA WOAVTWS EXELV φατε, Ve
\ » 35)
νεσιν δὲ ἄλλοτε ἄλλως.
ΘΕΑΙ. Φαμὲν γὰρ οὖν.
cH De
departed so far from the Ele-
atics as to admit a plurality of
εἴδη. Euclides said that Being,
or the Good, was one, though
called by many names. And se-
veral points in the description
are favourable to the view to
which we have seen reason
to incline, which differs but
slightly from those of Ueber-
weg and of Mr. Grote: that
Plato, while developing his
own theory of knowledge with
greater clearness, administers
a gentle reproof to some of
his own followers, who held
tenaciously to a conception of
the εἴδη, based on immature
statements of his own, and
mixed with Eleatic and Pytha-
gorean elements. (See the In-
troduction to the ‘ Sophist.’)
The points which make for this
conclusion are the following:
—vonta ἄττα καὶ ἀσώματα εἴδη
(246 b); σώματι---δὲ αἰσθήσεως
κοινωνεῖν ----διὰ λογισμοῦ δὲ ψυχῇ
πρὸς τὴν ὄντως οὐσίαν---ἀεὶ κατὰ
ταὐτὰ ὡσαύτως ἔχειν (248 Ὁ) ;
the words ὦ πάντων ἄριστοι,
which might well be aimed at
friends and pupils by Plato (ef.
y\ \ \ na 3 ΄ y
O δὲ δὴ κοινώνειν, ὦ TTAVT@V αριστοι, τι
Thezet. 148 b: Ἄριστα γ᾽ ἀνθρώ-
Tov, ὦ παῖδες); and ἐγὼ δὲ ἴσως
διὰ συνήθειαν, supposing Plato to
speak here as if in his own per-
son : also ἡμερώτεροι supra.
2. Τένεσιν, τὴν δὲ οὐσίαν] Cf.
supr. 221 6: νευστικοῦ μέρους,
τὸ δὲ πεζοῦ, and note. This
omission of pév, like many
other idioms which might ap-
pear to be of late growth, is
found already full-blown in
Homer.
5. σώματι] Dat. of the in-
strument, answering to Ψυχῆ in
what follows.
γενέσει] Dat. after κοινω-
νεῖν, answering to πρὸς---οὐσίαν.
7. γένεσιν δὲ] The end of the
sentence reverts to the begin-
ning, turning out the obverse
side of the chief statement, as
so often in Plato.
10. To δὲ δὴ kowwvetv] The
introduction of this word, which
plays an important part in the
sequel, should be noticed, as
the emergence of a fresh ele-
ment in the evolution of the
thought. Cf. Gorg. 464 ¢. And
see Rep. 6, 490 b.
p. 248.
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΊΤΗΣ.
δὴ Tap ἡμῶν ῥηθέν:
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
12
nn? ς ΄ > ad ΄σ- pS) , Ν A
248. τοῦθ᾽ ὑμᾶς ἐπ᾿ ἀμφοῖν λέγειν φῶμεν 3 ap οὐ TO νῦν
ὃ ᾽, Ν
SE. Παάθημα ἢ ποίημα ἐκ δυναμεώς τινος ἀπὸ
τῶν πρὸς ἄλληλα ξυνιόντων γιγνόμενον.
Tay οὖν
X ἢ
53 / an \ \ A > ͵ \ \
ὦ Θεαίτητε, αὐτῶν τὴν πρὸς TAVTA ATTOKPLOLY OV μεν
» ΄ 5 ON \ τ \ /
οὐ KaTakovels, ἐγὼ δὲ ἴσως διὰ συνήθειαν.
ΘΙΕΑΙ. Ti οὖν δὴ λέγουσι λόγον ;
HE. Οὐ συγχωροῦσιν ἡμῖν τὸ νῦν δὴ ῥηθὲν πρὸς
Χ a >
TOUS γηγενεῖς οὐσίας πέρι.
GEAI. Τὸ ποῖον :
==} ε \ y, “ - 57 “
GE. Ikavov ἔθεμεν opov που τῶν ὄντων, ὅταν TO
a e an , a “ Ν Ν \ /
παρῇ ἡ τοῦ πάσχειν ἢ δρᾷν καὶ πρὸς TO σμικρότατον
δύναμις :
ΘΙΕΑΙ. Nai.
Ἂν Χ a / / “ ’
HE. ΤΙρὸς δὴ ταῦτα rode λέγουσιν, ὅτι γενέσει
\ , an 7) Ν σ΄ ᾽ὔ Ἀ
μὲν μέτεστι TOU TAO KELV και 7TOLELV δυνάμεως, 7 pos
\ > / ΄ » / \ , td ,
δὲ οὐσίαν τούτων οὐδετέρου τὴν δύναμιν ἁρμόττειν
φασίν.
I. em ἀμφοῖν] Sec. γενέσεως
καὶ οὐσίας.
4. ἐκ δυνάμεώς τινος---γιγνό-
μενον] The account of sensation
in the Theztetus belongs to the
line of thought which is here
indicated : only the ‘“ power”
is not there inferred from the
act—since agent and patient
are regarded as having no ex-
istence except in act. Theeet.
157 a: οὔτε γὰρ ποιοῦν ἐστί τι
πρὶν ἂν τῷ πάσχοντι ξυνέλθῃ, οὔτε
πάσχον, πρὶν ἂν τῷ ποιοῦντι.
ἡ. διὰ συνήθειαν ἢ If the
Stranger is speaking in his
own person, these words may
naturally enough point to the
contemporary Eleatics, 1. 6. the
school of Megara. But if Pla-
tonists are meant, the author
must be supposed to speak
from behind the mask; as
happens sometimes in the
Laws. Cf. Rep. 9, 583.
τό. ὅτι yev.— pair] That Be-
coming has part in the power
of doing and suffering, but
that active and passive are qua-
lities whose force is wholly
inapplicable to being.” The
meaning of δυνάμεως here is
something between “ power of
acting” and “the power that
is inherent in action.”
18. τὴν δύναμιν.ὺ The word
appears to be used here in a
slightly different sense from
I
°
Ik
full of
change.
Well, fair
sirs, but
what is this
common
nature of
which ye
too speak,
under the
name of
‘ participa-
tion ?’ Shall
we explain
this by the
definition
which we
just now
gave to
your oppo-
nents, as
an active
or passive
energy
arising
from some
power ?
The Stran-
ger’s prac-
tised ear
discerns
that from
theirserene
height they
reply with
scorn. Be-
coming
may have
part in
agency and
passivity :
but such
language
is inappli-
cable to
Being.
Without
question-
ing the
propriety
of this, we
ask a fur-
ther ques-
tion:
* Whether
the soul
knows, and
whether
Being is
known ?’
On their
assenting
to this, we
persevere :
‘Is there
agency, or
passivity,
or both, in
knowing,
or in being
known ?’
They must
of course
say, ‘ Nei-
ther.’
They will,
however,
2 SEO (ἢ = ”
port, meaning.
128
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐκοῦν λέγουσί τι:
ΞΕ. Πρὸς 6 γε λεκτέον ἡμῖν ὅτι δεόμεθα παρ᾽
Ρ. 248, 2
> ΄σ 57 / / > m
αὐτῶν ἐτι πυθέσθαι σαφέστερον, εἰ προσομολογοῦσι ἃ
‘ \ \ / \ > > / ’,
τὴν μὲν ψυχὴν γιγνώσκειν, τὴν δ᾽ οὐσίαν γιγνὼώ-
ς σκεσθαι.
BEAI. Φασὶ μὴν τοῦτό γε.
ἘΠ nba δέ: ἈΝ / a ἈΝ 7 θ
HH. Le ὃεὲ; τὸ γιγνώσκειν ἢ TO γιγνώσκεσθαι
\ / Ἂ 4 Ὁ > , δ \ \ ,
φατε ποίημα ἢ πάθος ἢ ἀμφότερον ; ἢ TO μεν πά-
A) Ν δὲ fA) 7 ὃ Z 0 / ,
nua, TO ὃε θατερον ; ἢ παντάπασιν οὐδέτερον οὐ-
͵ i} 7 “ « 3 ,
10 δετέρου τούτων μεταλαμβάνειν ; δῆλον ὡς οὐδέτερον
> / 5 » / \ a “-“ vy /
οὐδετέρου" τἀναντία yap ἂν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν λέγοιεν.
ΘΈΑΙ. Μανθάνω.
mE To δὲ ε Ν 7 ΕἸ y lal
hey Le O O€ ὡς TO γιγνώσκειν ELTTEP EOTAL ποίειν
δυνάμεως immediately preced-
ing, and more akin to the
common one of “nature,” “im-
Cf. Rep.
Oy ie Gh
8. ἢ ἀμφότερον] 1. 6. Are the
mind and the object of the
mind each at once active and
passive in knowledge ?
Spinoza postulates the acti-
vity of mind, cf. Eth. IL. Deff. 3.
Explic.: “ Dico potius concep-
tum quam perceptionem, quia
perceptionis nomen indicare
videtur mentem ab objecto
pati. At conceptus actionem
mentis exprimere videtur.”
13. For τὸ δὲ, or τὸ δέ ye (se.
φαῖεν ἂν, cl. pare—av—héyouev
supr.), ef. Legg. 3,676 ὁ : ἀφ᾽ οὗ
πόλεις T εἰσὶ κιτ.λ., δοκεῖς ἄν ποτε
κατανοῆσαι χρόνου πλῆθος ὅσον γέ-
γονεν ; Οὔκουν ῥάδιόν γε οὐδαμῶς.
Τὸ 8€ γε, ὡς ἄπλετόν τε καὶ ἀμή-
Ib. 1, 640: τὸ
μὲν yap — ὡς ὀρθὸν ---- ἄρχοντα
εἶναι, μανθάνεις. Ib. 5, 735. For
the continuation of the in-
3,
χανον ἂν εἴη.
direct form, οὗ also Thezt.
171d: ἢ καὶ ταύτῃ μάλιστα ἵστα-
σθαι [sc. φῶμεν] τὸν λόγον.
There is some difficulty
about the arrangement of the
speakers. Rejecting the read-
ing of Stephanus and Hein-
dorf, ©. δῆλον --- λέγοιεν. ΚΞ.
Μανθάνω τόδε γε, we have to
choose between that of the
Zurich editors, =. δῆλον ---- λέ-
©. Μανθάνω. Ξ. To δέ
ye— (or τὸ δὲ), where the
Stranger answers his own ques-
tion, as in Legg. 10, 894 a:
ἡνικ ἂν τί πάθος ἢ : δῆλον ὡς
κιτιὰλ., and that of Stallbaum,
©. Δῆλον----λέγοιεν. Z. Μανθάνω"
τὸ δέ ye—, in which, before
proceeding further, he accepts
Theeetetus’ report of the an-
swer of the εἰδῶν φίλοι. The
former is more in keeping
with Plato’s later manner, and
makes the anacoluthon easier.
It has, therefore, been retained.
13. TO γιγνώσκειν — πάσχειν]
The distinction between the
yolev.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 120
Ν / “ 5 /
248. Tl, TO γιγνωσκόμενον ἀναγκαῖον αὖ ξυμβαίνει πά-
e \ » 7 \ \ Ν / “- /
σχειν. THY οὐσίαν On κατὰ τὸν λόγον τοῦτον γιγνώ-
, « Ν lal / > od /
σκομένην ὑπὸ τῆς γνώσεως, KAO ὅσον γιγνώσκεται,
\ na lal δὰ Ν ᾽ὔ ἃ /
κατα τοσοῦτον κινεῖσθαι διὰ TO πάσχειν, ὃ On φαμεν
3 Dy / \ Ν > va
οὐκ av γενέσθαι περὶ TO ἠρεμοῦν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὀρθῶς.
mE. Τί δὲ πρὸς Διός; ὡς ἀληθῶς κίνησιν καὶ
\ N \ \ ͵ Ὦ ὦ 7 ͵
ζωὴν καὶ ψυχὴν καὶ φρόνησιν 7 ῥᾳδίως πεισθησό-
“- la) yy δ ΄- \ δ᾿ ἊΝ
μεθα τῷ παντελῶς OVTL μὴ παρεῖναι, μηδὲ ζῇν αὐτὸ
δὲ φ ονεῖν. ἀλλὰ. σεμνὸν καὶ ἅγιον. νοῦν οὐκ ἔχον
μη ρ 3 2 μ a4 9 Xx 919 tore in this
/ Ν 5)
ἀκίνητον ἑστὸς εἰναι;
ΘΕΑΙ. Δεινὸν μέντ᾽ ἄν, ὦ ἕένε, λόγον συγχω-
potpev.
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ νοῦν μὲν ἔχειν, ζωὴν δὲ μή, φῶμεν ;
OEAI. Καὶ πώς;
\ a \ / 3) fe » a
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ ταῦτα μὲν ἀμφότερα evovT αὐτῷ
λέγομεν, οὐ μὴν ἐν ψυχῇ γε φήσομεν αὐτὸ ἔχειν
5 7
αὐτα:
active and passive verb, which
probably appears here for the
first time in Western litera-
ture, is used to suggest that
knowledge is a movement or
process of some kind. Compare
the use made of the grammati-
cal distinction of ὄνομα and ῥῆμα
below, p. 262, and of the singu-
lar and plural numbers above,
p. 238.
10. σεμνὸν καὶ ἅγιον ͵]͵ There
is an allusion to the statues of
the gods. Cf. Phedr. (of
paintings): ἕστηκε μὲν ὡς (ζῶντα,
ἐὰν δ᾽ ἀνέρῃ τι, σεμνῶς πάνυ
σιγᾷ. Phileb.24,53d. Tim. 30.
These words are wrongly con-
nected by some interpreters
with νοῦν. (e. g. Hegel, Cousin.)
For the thought, compare a
striking passage in the Laws,
967 a-e, where it is said that
the deepest study of astro-
nomy, instead of encouraging
the notion of a blind neces-
sity, leads directly to the sup-
position of a celestial mind
or minds: ὑπωπτεύετο τὸ νῦν
ὄντως δεδογμένον, ὅσοι τῆς ἀκρι-
βείας αὐτῶν ἥπτοντο, ὅπως μήποτ᾽
ἂν ἄψυχα ὄντα οὕτως εἰς ἀκρί-
βειαν θαυμαστοῖς λογισμοῖς ἂν
ἐχρῆτο, νοῦν μὴ κεκτημένα, Where
the same result is reached
a posteriori which is here ap-
proached a priori.
II. eva] “ Exists,”
emphatic sense.
in the
make
this hypo-
thetical ad-
mission,
that, if to
know is
activity, to
be known
must be
passivity.
In which
case, Being,
in so far as
it is the
object of
knowledge,
is passive,
and there-
respect, is
not at rest,
but in mo-
tion.
And, the
instant we
touch on
this con-
τε ception,
there is
borne in
upon us
the convic-
tion that
Perfect
Being can-
not be ina
130. ITAATQNOZ
> oH δ ,
state of OEAI. Kai τίν᾽ ἂν ἕτερον ἔχοι τρόπον;
mere nega-
tive repose,
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ δῆτα νοῦν μὲν καὶ ζωὴν καὶ ψυχήν,
a sacred ἢ) / Ν ΄ ” ΕΝ « ΄
form ἀκίνητον μέντοι TO παράπαν, ἔμψυχον OV, ἑστάναι;
without ΄ ” κα΄ 5. ἍΒ /
iieueht, ΘΈΑΙ. Ilavra ἔμοιγε ἄλογα ταῦτ᾽ εἰναι φαίνεται.
or life, or — SS / \ ae
soul, or 5. ΚΞ}. Καὶ τὸ κινούμενον δὴ καὶ κίνησιν συγχωρη-
motion. ΄, cy
ἘΠΕ ia TEOV WS ὄντα.
there is no A ”
thought OEAI. Πῶς δ᾽ OU 5
ithout ¢ -- ' ov ΟΣ 53 ! ’ ,
Sarees BE. Ξυμβαίνει δ᾽ οὖν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ἀκινήτων τε
᾿ Thi 5) a \ 5 a
hat which OvT@V νοῦν μηδενὶ περὶ μηδενὸς εἶναι μηδαμοῦ.
cannot be cy tN 5
cio 10 OHA. Κομιδῇ μεν οὖν.
- μααὶ \ aN 5 / x ,
se SE. Kat μὴν ἐὰν αὖ φερόμενα καὶ κινούμενα
motion is Ag aR ED a \ , ANE Aa
πάντ᾽ εἶναι συγχωρῶμεν, καὶ τούτῳ τῷ λόγῳ ταῦτον
insepara- Ἷ ᾿ ; (ip 573 7
ble from Se = Don
V .Ψ
thought, Τοῦτο εκ τῶν ὄντων ἐξαιρήσομεν
But, on the ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς =
other hand, ἊΝ i 4 aan ᾧ : 7
. ε Ν Ν
ἐποσξαν 8.1. ΠΡ To κατὰ TavTa καὶ ὡσαύτως καὶ περὶ τὸ
equs δ >, XN lol τι , / 3 yf
impossible αὐτὸ δοκεῖ σοι χωρὶς στάσεως γενέσθαι TOT ἂν ;
without a 5 a
principle ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδαμώς.
of perma- ἘΞ ἢ δὶς y , a ws τ x
τῶι ῶο ane EE. Τί δ᾽; ἄνευ τούτων νοῦν καθορᾷς ὄντα ἢ
Fest.
, x ΄ jin A
VEVOLEVOV QV και οποῦυουν 9
1. ἔχοι] “In what other
way could Being hold them 1
This sense of ἔχοι is deter-
mined by ἔχειν preceding and
the accusatives following.
3. ἀκίνητον---ἔμψυχον ὄν] The
cogency of this argument is
best seen by comparing Pheedr.
245 Ὁ. Legg. 10, 895 b, Ὁ:
See also Arist. Eth. Nic. X. 8,
of the life of the gods: ἀλλὰ
μὴν ζῇν ye πάντες ὑπειλήφαμεν av-
τοὺς καὶ ἐνεργεῖν apa’ οὐ γὰρ δὴ
καθεύδειν ὥσπερ τὸν ᾿Ἐνδυμίωνα.
Metaph. XI. 1072 b: καὶ ζωὴ δέ
ye ὑπάρχει’ ἡ yap νοῦ ἐνέργεια
ζωή.
5. συγχωρητέον ὡς ὄντα] There
appears to be a logical inver-
sion in reasoning from “ Being
has motion” to “ Motion has
Being.” This, like many of
Plato’s arguments, had the
Organon then existed, would
have taken a different form.
But his thoughts would have
been substantially the same.
8. δ᾽ ctv] “It follows from
this, however.” Thetetus is
warned to face the consequence
of his admission: and this is
implied m the adversative δέ.
12. ταὐτὸν τοῦτο] Se. νοῦν.
15. Τὸ κατὰ ταὐτὰ] “ Do you
think that permanent unity of
condition and mode and sub-
ject could ever arise without
stability ?”
Ρ- 249}
b
249.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. ἭΚκιστα.
HE. Καὶ μὴν πρός γε
131
σι κ᾿ ,
τοῦτον παντὶ λόγῳ μαχε-
/ a Ἃ > / Ἃ / » a > /
τέον, OS ἂν ἐπιστήμην ἢ φρόνησιν ἢ νοῦν ἀφανίζων
ἰσχυρίζηται περί τινος ὑπηοῦν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Σφόδρα γε.
EE. Τῷ δὴ φιλοσόφῳ καὶ ταῦτα μάλιστα τι-
Qa a c yf 3 7 \ n / a
μῶντι πᾶσα, ὡς ἔοικεν, ἀνάγκη διὰ ταῦτα pNTE τῶν
aA ΩΝ Ν \ Ν 7 / \ > « bss
ἐν ἢ καὶ Ta πολλα εἴδὴ λεγόντων TO πᾶν ἑστηκὸς
» / ca 5 on Ν x ,
ἀποδέχεσθαι, πον 71Ὲ αὖ TAVTAXKY TO ον Κινουντῶν
\ Ν 4 3 , > Ν \ ἊΝ lol /
μηδὲ TO παράπαν ἀκούειν, ἀλλὰ κατὰ THY τῶν παί-
I. “Hxora] This was one
clear result of the argument of
the Theetetus. Cf. also Crat.
44. ᾿
2. πρὸς γε TOVTOV—payeETEOY,
ὃς av] Cf. Theet. 265 6 : τοῦτο
(τουτου, Ast. conj.) μὴ ἀποδεχώ-
μεθα, ὃς ἂν λέγῃ.
3. ὃς ἂν---ἰσχυρίζητα] Not
merely because of the value of
thought and knowledge, but
because such a person stulti-
fies himself. This is implied
in the form of expression.
“He who putting knowledge
out of sight yet dogmatizes on
any point.” See Theet. 161,
Euthyd. 286, alib.
ἀφανίζω] Cf. Theet. 151
ἃ. ἀληθὲς ἀφανίσαι, Aristoph.
Nub. 972.
6. Τῷ δὴ φιλοσόφῳἨ The
sentence is continued as if the
verbal notion in φιλοσόφῳ had
been expressed. Cf. Theet.
168 b: ἀντὶ φιλοσόφων, μισοῦν-
τας τοῦτο τὸ πρᾶγμα. Legg. 10,
886 a: θεογονίαν ---- γενόμενοί τε
ὡς--ὡμΐλησαν.
η. τῶν ἕν ἢ καὶ τὰ πολλὰ εἴδη
λεγόντων] I. 6. The older Elea-
tics, or their more recent fol-
lowers, the friends of ideas,
5
who have just been described.
10. κατὰ τὴν τῶν παίδων εὔχην]
This has been variously inter-
preted. Heindorf, following
Schleiermacher : “ Secundum
votum puerorum, ut immobilia
moveantur, optantium.” Stall-
baum: “ Videtur respici ad lu-
sum quendam puerorum in
quo ludentes dicebant, ὅσα ἀκί-
νητα, καὶ κεκινημένα εἴη. But
the words ὅσα --- κεκινημένα
would then be too abruptly
introduced. Steinhart, in a
note to Miillers German
translation of Plato, suggests
a new reading: ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὴν
τῶν παίδων εὐχὴν, ξυναμφότερα
λέγειν τὸ ὄν τε καὶ τὸ πᾶν, καὶ ὅσα
ἀκίνητα καὶ κεκινημένα. The pas-
sage admits of being so inter-
preted, by laying an emphasis
on ξυναμφότερα, without any
change in the order of the
words. ‘ When asked whether
Being or the All is at rest or
in motion, we must say, like
children in their wishes, ‘ Both.’”
We may suppose an allusion
either to the vagueness and
impossibility of the desires of
children, who “cry for the
moon” (for εὐχή in this sense,
9
=
Hence the
philoso-
pher, with
whom
thought is
the highest
being, can
listen
10 wholly nei-
ther to the
advocates
of rest nor
of motion,
but must
say with
the chil-
dren, that
“both are
best,” when 5 Plel
he is de-
fining the
nature of
Being.
But he
cannot rest
there,
132 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
᾽ ‘ “ Daca, Ν / \ JA Ν
δων εὐχὴν οσὰα ακινῆτα και κεκινήῆμενα TO OV ΤΕ Και Ρ. 249. !
Ν Aa
TO πᾶν Evvapporepa λέγειν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αληθέστατα.
EE. Τί οὖν; ap’ οὐκ ἐπιεικῶς ἤδη φαινόμεθα πε-
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
/ a / Ν A
ληφέναι τῷ λόγῳ TO OV;
> 3, 5. σ
EE. Βαβαὶ μέντ᾽ fav} ἄρα, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ὡς μοι
at A 5 A / / Ν » / ΄-
δοκοῦμεν νῦν αὐτοῦ γνώσεσθαι πέρι τὴν ἀπορίαν τῆς
σκέψεως.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς αὖ καὶ τί τοῦτ᾽ εἴρηκας ;
— 59) ΄ » > a “ A > \ ᾽
BE. ᾿Ὦ μακάριε, οὐκ ἐννοεῖς ὅτι νῦν ἐσμεν ἐν
3 / “
/ Ν > ΄- / / /
ἀγνοίᾳ τῇ πλείστῃ περὶ αὐτοῦ, φαινόμεθα δέ τι λέ-
« las > ΄
YEW ἡμῖν αὕτοις ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἐμοὶ γοῦν" ὅπῃ δ᾽ αὖ λελήθαμεν οὕτως
57 > 4 ,
τρέχοντες. OV TAVU ξυνίημι.
οἵ. Rep. 5,540 d: μὴ εὐχὴ δοκῇ
εἶναι ὁ λόγος) : or perhaps to
some common form of expres-
sion in which they desired all
things in the universe, moye-
able and immoveable,—or, it
may be, “sacred and _ pro-
fane,” κινητὰ καὶ ἀκίνητα, what
may and what may not be
touched or stirred.
2. λέγειν] Bodl. λέγει.
7. Βαβαὶ μέντ᾽ tavt ἄρα] ἂν
here is probably corrupt: μέν-
τοι, which some object to, is
quite in point. The only way
in which to make anything of
ἂν would be to take it, by a
rather bold hyperbaton, with
the future infinitive: which is
out of the question. And it
is better to reject ἂν than to
read, as Stallbaum suggests,
μέντ᾽ av ἄρα.
Badham conjectures Βαβαί"
ov μεντάρα ὦ Θεαίτητε' ὥς pot
δοκοῦμεν νῦν αὐτοῦ γενήσεσθαι
περὶ τὴν ἀπορίαν τῆς σκέψεως.
But for βαβαί---ὡς δοκοῦμεν, cf.
Rep. 2, 361 d, BaBai— φ. T.,
ὡς ἐρρωμένως κιτιλ. I propose
merely to omit ἂν, which has
probably crept in from supra a,
Δεινὸν μέντ᾽ ἂν, and render, “Ah
me! on the contrary, Theztetus,
how I fear that we shall only
now begin to know the diffi-
culty of the question about
Being.”
10. Πῶς αὖ καὶ τί τοῦτ᾽ εἴρηκας]
The form of this question
determines the punctuation of
the more frequent form, πῶς τί
τοῦτ᾽ εἶπες : not mos; τί τοῦτ᾽
εἶπες ;
14. Ἐμοὶ γοῦν] Sc. φαινόμεθά
τι λέγειν.
οὕτως ἔχοντες) Sc. ἐν ἀγνοίᾳ
τῇ πλείστῃ ὄντες.
iZ
. 240.
0. 250.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 133
EE. Zkore δὴ σαφέστερον, εἰ ταῦτα viv Evv-
ομολογοῦντες δικαίως ἂν ἐπερωτηθεῖμεν ἅπερ αὐτοὶ
τότε ἠρωτῶμεν τοὺς λέγοντας εἶναι τὸ πᾶν θερμὸν
καὶ ψυχρόν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ποῖα ; ὑπόμνησόν με. 5
ΞΕ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν: καὶ πειράσομαί γε δρᾷν
τοῦτο ἐρωτῶν σὲ καθάπερ ἐκείνους τότε, ἵνα ἅμα τι
καὶ προΐωμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Ορθώς.
EE. Elev δή, κίνησιν καὶ στάσιν ἄρ᾽ οὐκ ἐναν- το
τιώτατα λέγεις ἀλλήλοις :
ΘΕΑΙ. las γὰρ οὔ:
EE. Καὶ μὴν eivai γε ὁμοίως φὴς ἀμφότερα αὐτὰ
καὶ ἑκάτερον ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Φημὶ γὰρ οὖν.
53 ΄σ 7ὔ
BE. ἾΑρα κινεῖσθαι λέγων ἀμφότερα καὶ ἑκάτε-
ΤῸ
ρον, ὅταν εἶναι συγχωρῇς:
ΘΕΑΙ. Ovdapas ;
EE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἑστάναι σημαίνεις, λέγων αὐτὰ ἀμφό-
τερα εἶναι;
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ ras ;
mE ἤν / yf A ΄σ ἈΝ x ΕῚ la a
we Lh. βριτοὸν apa TL TAaPA TAVTA TO OV EV Τῇ ψυχῇ
20
1. Σκόπει-- ψυχρόν] “ Con- ἵνα ἅμα τι καὶ προΐωμεν]
For this
definition
is open to
the same
question
with which
we assailed
the dualists
in our pre-
vious argu-
ment.
Motionand
rest are
opposites.
Yet both
are, and
have part
in Being.
Being,
however,
is distinct
from both,
For when
we say,
‘Both are,’
we do not
mean that
both are in
motion, or
that both
are at rest.
Hence
Being em-
braces
both, and
both par-
take of
sider then more completely
whether in accepting this con-
clusion we do not now deserve
to be troubled with the ques-
tion which we ourselves asked
of those who said that the
Universe was Heat and Cold.”
6. δρᾷν τοῦτο] Se. ὑπομνῆ-
oat σε.
7. τότε] Supr. 243 6: τί τὸ
εἶναι τοῦτο ὑπολάβωμεν ὑμῶν ;
πότερον τρίτον K.T.A.
“That, while I recal this to
your memory, we may advance
a step in the argument.” Cf.
Rep. 1, 346 a: καὶ, ὦ μακάριε,
μὴ παρὰ δόξαν ἀποκρίνου, ἵνα τι
καὶ περαίνωμεν.
19. Ἀλλ᾽ ἑστάναι] For this
use οἵ ἀλλὰ, cf. Rep. 2, 382 6:
ἀλλὰ δεδιὼς τοὺς ἐχθροὺς ψεύ-
δοιτο :
22. ἐν τῇ ψυχῇῇ Cf. Rep.
6, 484 Cc: μηδὲν ἐναργὲς ἐν
Being. But
Being is
different
from them
both, and,
in virtue of
her own
nature,
neither
rests nor
moves.
134
7 ε pee ee | 7, , ‘ ,
τιθείς, ὡς UT ἐκείνου τὴν TE στάσιν καὶ τὴν κίνησιν p. 250.4)
ΠΛΆΤΟΝΟΣ
/ , Ν > Ν > a Ν Ἁ
περιεχομένην συλλαβὼν, καὶ ἀπιδὼν αὐτῶν πρὸς τὴν
a > / / “ 3 “ > ΄
ΤῊ" ουσιᾶς KOLVMVIAY, OVUTWS εἰναι 7 POO ELTTES ἀμφο-
τερα:
OEAI. Κινδυνεύομεν ὡς ἀληθῶς τρίτον ἀπομαν-
, , \ yd “ , Ν ΄ 9
τευεσθαί TL TO OV, OTQV κινηῆσιν και στασιν ειναι
λέγωμεν.
7 ΄
EE. Οὐκ apa κίνησις καὶ στάσις ἐστὶ ξυναμφό-
Ἂν ΒΕ. > sO / /
τερον TO OV, ἀλλ᾽ ἕτερον On TL τούτων.
OEAI. Ἔοικεν.
\ \ « a / 77 Ὧν ἢ, 7 σ
EE. Κατὰ τὴν αὑτοῦ φύσιν apa τὸ ὃν οὔτε ἔστη-
κεν οὔτε κινεῖται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Σχεδόν.
a \ Χ ’ὔ 3, / \
SE. Ποῖ δὴ χρὴ τὴν διάνοιαν ἔτι τρέπειν τὸν
τῇ Ψυχῇ ἔχοντες παράδειγμα.
Theet. 155 Ὁ : ταῦτα δὴ, οἶμαι
ὁμολογήματα τρία μάχεται ἐν τῇ
ἡμετέρᾳ ψυχῇ.
I. ὡς ὑπ᾽ ἐκείνου τήν τε στά-
σιν καὶ τὴν κίνησιν περιεχομένην
συλλαβών] By deleting the
comma after περιεχομένην the
syntax is improved; and the
inverted order of the words is
in keeping with the style of
the dialogue. “So then you
conceived of Being as a third
and distinct kind, under which,
as embraced by it, you com-
prehended motion and rest, and
fixing your attention on their
common participation in Being,
you thus applied the term ‘ex-
istent’ to them both.”
5. ἀπομαντεύεσθαι] 1. 6. This
truth of reflection is implied
in language. Compare Rep.
6,505 e: ὃ δὴ διώκει πᾶσα ψυχὴ
ἀπομαντευομένη τι εἶναι.
8. Οὐκ ἄρα----τούτων] “ Being,
then, is not motion and rest
taken together, but is distinct
from these.”
11. Kara—xweiral] In the
spirit of the Parmenides it is
shewn that Being, which has
just been said to include rest
and motion, in its own nature
neither rests nor moves. For
the position of οὐκ, which is
emphatic, cf. Theet. 161 a:
ὡς οὐκ av ἔχει οὕτω ταῦτα.
The search for Being seems
here to be relinquished as
hopeless. The thread of argu-
ment is not dropt, however ;
for it is this absolute sever-
ance of Being from rest and
motion, after seeming to in-
clude them, which suggests
the fresh inquiry concerning
the nature of difference or
negation.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
/
βαιώσασθαι ;
ΘΕΑΙ. ot yap ;
135
, 3 “ ΄ ΄σ
: 250. βουλόμενον ἐναργές τι περὶ αὐτοῦ παρ᾽ ἑαυτῷ βε-
5 \ / 3, CL > ,
EE. Οἶμαι μὲν οὐδαμόσε ἔτι ῥᾷδιον. εἰ yap τι
\ an a > -ἦ ΕΝ Ν a c Ν
μὴ κινεῖται, πῶς οὐχ ἕστηκεν; ἢ τὸ μηδαμῶς ἑστὸς 5
an > 3 a ὧν VON cuss na ’ Ν ,
d πῶς Οὐκ QU KLVELTAL : TO δὲ ον ἡμὶν νυν EKTOS TOUT@V
3 7 3 / 3 Ἀ 5 ~
ἀμφοτέρων ἀναπέφανται. ἢ δυνατὸν οὖν τοῦτο ;
SEAL. Πάντων μὲν οὖν ἀδυνατώτατον.
BE. Τόδε τοίνυν μνησθῆναι δίκαιον ἐπὶ τούτοις.
GEAI. Τὸ ποῖον ;
[4 ἴω Χ 7 / 3,
ΞΕ. Ὅτι τοῦ μὴ ὄντος ἐρωτηθέντες τοὔνομα ἐφ᾽
“
μέμνησαι ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς γὰρ οὔ;
— a 5 om 2 , A 9 x » ͵
SE. Μῶν οὖν ἐν ἐλαττονί τινι νῦν ἐσμὲν ἀπορίᾳ 15
ἊΝ \ yf
περὶ TO OV;
/ las / ’ , ᾿ /
ὅ τί ποτε δεῖ φέρειν, πάσῃ συνεσχόμεθα ἀπορίᾳ,
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἐμοὶ μέν, ὦ ξένε, εἰ δυνατὸν εἰπεῖν, ἐν
πλείονι φαινόμεθα.
SE. Τοῦτο μὲν τοίνυν ἐνταῦθα κείσθω διηπορη-
? 5 Χ NFS 2 , ΔΟὄ \ XN S\N >
μένον" ἐπειδὴ δὲ ἐξ ἴσου TO TE ὃν Kal TO μὴ ὃν ἀπο-
I. ἐναργές tu] Cf. ἐναργῶς,
supr. p. 242 6.
map ἑαυτῷ] Cf, Thest. 146
e: λαβεῖν ἱκανῶς παρ᾽ ἐμαυτῷ,
and note.
4. ἀναπέφανται]
up before us.”
“Has risen
Cf. Theset.
155 b: ἅττα πότ᾽ ἐστι ταῦτα τὰ ~
φάσματα ἐν τῇ ἡμετέρᾳ ψυχῆ.
Supr. 231 Ὁ : ἐν τῷ νῦν λόγῳ
παραφανέντι. Meno 85 d: ἀνα-
κεκίνηνται αἱ δόξαι αὗται.
II. Ὅτι τοῦ μὴ ὄντος] These
words are in construction with
μέμνησαι. The thing which is
“worth taking note of” is not
this, but the following remark,
for which this prepares the way.
12. συνεσχόμεθα ἀπορίᾳ] Supr.
237-239. Cf. Theet. 165 b, ἐν
φρέατι συνεχόμενος, where the
metaphor is more distinctly
kept in view.
18. φαινόμεθα]! For the el-
lipse, cf. Theset. 172 ¢ : Οὐκοῦν
σχόλην ἄγομεν, ὦ Σώκρατες. 5.
Φαινόμεθα.
19. διηπορημένον͵]; “A diffi-
culty clearly stated.” The
word occurs in Plato in this
technical sense only in the
Sophist, Politicus, and Laws.
Now it is
hard to
conceive
thatathing
which is
not at rest
is not in
motion, or
vice versa.
Here,
therefore,
we may
take note
that we
have found
the defini-
tion of
Being not
10 Jess diffi-
20
cult than
that of
Not-Being.
Whence
we derive
a sort of
despairing
hope, that
if a ray of
light is cast
on the one
perplexity,
it may sug-
gest a solu-
tion for the
other. And,
if the worst
come to the
worst, we
shall try to
steer the
bark of our
discourse
between
this Seylla
and that
Charybdis
with as
little dis-
grace as
may be,
136
ITAATQNOZ
, “- ᾽ 3 “ δ
ρίας μετειλήφατον, νῦν ἐλπὶς ἤδη, καθ᾿ ἅπερ ἂν Pp. 250}:
> “ ’, 7 ’ / 7 /
αὐτῶν Oarepov εἰτε ἀμυδρότερον εἴτε σαφέστερον
᾽ / \ , “ ᾽ / Ξ Ν
ἀναφαίνηται, καὶ θάτερον οὕτως ἀναφαίνεσθαι: καὶ
aay 5 ΄, ΩΝ σ᾿ ΄ὔ \ = ,
ἐὰν αὖ μηδέτερον ἰδεῖν δυνώμεθα, Tov γοῦν λόγον,
Ψ Ἂ er 3 ’ , ΄
5O0TNTEP ἄν οἷοί TE ὦμεν εὐπρεπέστατα, διωσόμεθα
4 > o 4
οὕτως ἀμφοῖν ἅμα.
2. εἴτε ἀμυδρότερον εἴτε σα-
φέστερον] The latter is chiefly
meant, but the former is in-
troduced in accordance with
Plato’s wish to omit no aspect
of a case. Cf. Rep. 1, 339 b:
οὔπω δῆλον οὐδ᾽ εἰ μεγάλη.
5. διωσόμεθα] “We shall
fend off our argument from
both:” “Steer clear of them,”
as between Scylla and Cha-
rybdis, or the Symplegades.
(Cf. Hom. Od. 12, 219: ἐκτὸς
ἔεργε via.) Compare the use
of διωθεῖσθαι in Herodotus
and in Democr. Fr. Ethic.
20: kal οὐκ ὀλίγας κῆρας ἐν τῷ
βίῳ διώσεαι, φθόνον καὶ ζῆλον καὶ
dvopevinv. The construction,
however, is different here, and
has driven the editors to con-
jecture — Heindorf διωξόμεθα,
Stallbaum διασωσόμεθα, C. F.
Hermann διαθησόμεθα. Of these
Stallbaum’s correction is the
best, although not agreeing
well with etmperéorara. But
the construction may be de-
fended, if we take the words
to mean literally “We shall
push our argument (vessel)
through between them both
(or, so as to avoid both at
once) with such appearance as
we may.” The genitive ἀμφοῖν
is then governed by the διὰ in
composition. Cf. Polyb. 22.
11, 17 : διωθ. τὰς σαρίσσας διὰ
τῶν τρημάτων.
3adham defends the text on
slightly different grounds. His
note deserves insertion here:
“Juxta difficile esse ostendit, id
quod est atque id quod non est
explicare. Hine auguratur, si
quid lucis utrivis horum 81-
cunde accedat, fore etiam ut
alterum discerni possit: sin
ambo in tenebris maneant,
quid tum? Disputationem,
servabimus, disponemus, per-
sequemur ? Imo, ita repelle-
mus, ut si quis ex ejus quod
non est natura negotium nobis
facessit, eundem in eo quod
est haud minus sibi contradi-
centem efficiamus. Accedit
quod cum hoe verbo et hae
sententia εὐπρεπέστατα egregié
convenit, at non cum con-
trarid notione, que conjecturis
supra commemoratis inest :
parum enim hospitem Eleati-
cum Sophistis infensum dece-
ret speciosam disputationem
promittere.” It may be enough
in order to defend our interpre-
tation from this last objection
to refer the student to Thez-
tetus 196 e, where the con-
fession of shamelessness is
‘immediately followed by an
avowal of the determination
to continue the argument, and
to infr. 254 d, supr. 241 d,
especially the word βιάζεσθαι.
The unattainableness of a per-
fectly; “ reasoned” method is
Ρ. 251
ye 251.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΈΑΙ. Καλῶς.
Lor
μ-- 4 o , ΄
SE. Λέγωμεν δὴ καθ᾽ ὅν τινά ποτε τρόπον πολ-
- > / DSN “ « Δ ’
λοις ονομασι TAVUTOV τοῦτο εκάστοτε τρροσαγορεῦύομεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οἷον δὴ τί; παράδειγμα εἰπέ.
/ 3, ᾽
BE. Λέγομεν ἄνθρωπον δή που πόλλ᾽ ἀττα ἐπο-
7. ΄ὔ ͵7ὔ / > “~ Ν \
VOMACOVTES, TA TE KPWUATA ἐπιφέροντες αὐτῷ και τὰ
, Yj 7 ? > ec
σχήματα καὶ μεγέθη καὶ κακίας Kal ἀρετάς, ἐν οἷς
bod ἈΝ id / Ie » / 57 SAN
πᾶσι καὶ ἑτέροις μυρίοις οὐ μόνον ἄνθρωπον αὑτὸν
3 , 5 \ Ν 3 Χ Ἄν Ὅν 37 Ν
εἰναι φαμέν, ἀλλὰ καὶ ἀγαθὸν καὶ ἕτερα ἄπειρα, καὶ
Sy \ \ Ν EEN , “ A “
τάλλα δὴ κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν λόγον οὕτως ἕν ἕκαστον
continually rising up before
Plato.
2. πολλοῖς ὀνόμασι ταὐτὸν
τοῦτο] This recals the saying
of Euclides, that the good was
ἕν, πολλοῖς ὀνόμασι καλούμενον,
and in so far confirms the
impression that the Megarians
have been under criticism in
what precedes. In this and
other expressions they had
perhaps implied a “commu-
nion” of unity with variety,
which was inconsistent with
their logical principles. Com-
pare also the saying quoted
in Republic 6, 505 6, probably
from the same source, that
TO ἀγαθὸν 15 φρόνησις ἀγαθοῦ,
whose authors failed in their
attempt to isolate the concep-
tion of good.
We are now introduced to a
new sort of philosophers, who
serve (like the δυσχερεῖς of the
Philebus) to reduce those just
mentioned to the point of ab-
surdity, and by a crucial in-
stance to bring the question
to a clear issue. They are the
same who are ridiculed in the
Euthydemus, and amongst
them Antisthenes is most pro-
bably included, whether or
not the word ὀψιμαθέσι and
the phrase ὑπὸ πενίας τ. τ. φ.
kr. are meant to convey a co-
vert allusion to him. The
passage certainly reads like
personal satire. Compare Phi-
lebus, pp. 13,14, where a dif-
ferent aspect of the same “child-
ish puzzle” is described, and
contrasted with the dialectical
One and Many; as also in
Parm.129 ¢,d. See also Phileb.
37 6. Cognate difficulties re-
specting Predication are noticed
by Aristotle, Phys. I. 2, § 15:
οἱ μὲν τὸ ἔστιν ἀφεῖλον, ὥσπερ
Λυκόφρων" οἱ δὲ τὴν λέξιν μετερ-
ρύθμιζον, ὅτι ὁ ἄνθρωπος οὐ λευ-
Kos ἐστιν, ἀλλὰ λελεύκωται"--να
μὴ---πολλὰ εἶναι ποιῶσι τὸ ἕν.
For ἐσπουδακόσιν infra, ef. supr.
216 b:
ἐσπουδακότων.
3. τοῦτο] I. 6. “Anything
which happens to be in ques-
tion.” Cf. Theet. 199 a: μὴ
yap ἔχειν τὴν ἐπιστήμην τούτου
οἷόν τε, and note.
΄ A A »”
τῶν περὶ τὰς ἔριδας
II. b. 3.
)
Let us now
examine
what we
mean by
giving
many
names to
one thing :
as white,
tall, good,
bad, to
man:
whereby
we afford
excellent
diversion
το to the wits
of youth,
and of cer-
tain an-
cient tyros,
who, from
their po-
verty in
the having
of wisdom,
take pride
in erying
out upon
us that we
have made
the one
many and
the many
one. They
will allow
us to say
that good
is good,and
manisman:
but not
that man
is good.
Such are
the refine-
ments on
which they
spend a be-
lated en-
thusiasm.
To omit no
aspect of
thought on
the subject
of Being,
7 / > A Ἀ lad » ,
ὑποθέμενοι πάλιν αὐτὸ πολλὰ καὶ πολλοῖς ονομασι P. 25}}}}
λέγομεν.
OEAI. ᾿Αληθῆ λέγεις.
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
=B ὍΘ 53 “ ’ ἊΝ “ /
pe J. EV VE, οιμαι, τοις TE VEOLS Και τῶν YEPOV~
a ᾿ 7, 7, ΄ »>n
5τῶν τοῖς ὀψιμαθέσι θοίνην παρεσκευάκαμεν᾽ evOus
\ ’ Ἀ la
yap ἀντιλαβέσθαι παντὶ πρόχειρον ws ἀδύνατον Ta
Ἀν ἃ Ν aA \ 95 Ν la /
τε πολλὰ ἕν Kal TO Ev πολλὰ εἶναι, καὶ On που χαΐῖ-
> In \ ΕἾ κ be
ρουσιν οὐκ ἐῶντες ἀγαθὸν λέγειν ἄνθρωπον, ἀλλα τὸ
μὲν ἀγαθὸν ἀγαθόν, τὸν δὲ ἄνθρωπον ἄνθρωπον.
» A 7, 5 / e > 5 ,
τιοεντυγχάνεις yap, ὦ Θεαίτητε, ws ἐγῴμαι, πολλάκις
Ν “ 3 Ν Sus, IZ >
τὰ τοιαῦτα ἐσπουδακοσιν, ἐνίοτε πρεσβυτέροις ἂν-
/ Ν « Ἁ / al ΄ /
θρώποις, καὶ ὑπὸ πενίας τῆς περὶ Ppovnaw κτήσεως
\ “ / Ἂς U4 Ν ΄
Ta τοιαῦτα τεθαυμακόσι, καὶ δὴ TL καὶ πάσσοφον
/ ~ ? SEN > /
οἰομένοις TOUT QUTO AVEUPT/KEV AL.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
EB Ἵ , Ν Ω͂ can ε ro 53
omy Sa Va TOWVY προς ATAVTAaS MW ὁ oyos 7
\ / Ἂν 3 7] Ν « lal Ἢ
τοὺς πώποτε περὶ οὐσίας καὶ ὁτιοῦν διαλεχθέντας,
» δὰ ἊΝ ᾽ὔ Ν Ν Ν + σ
Εστὼ καὶ προς TOVTOVS KAL προς τοὺς ἄλλους, οσοις
ἔμπροσθεν διειλέγμεθα, τὰ νῦν ὡς ἐν ἐρωτήσει λεχθη--
΄
we address 20 σομενᾶ.
to these, as
well as to
the rest,
the follow-
ing ques-
tion:
Shall we
conceive
SEAT. Ta ποῖα δή ;
ΠῚ Πό ’ Χ 3 , , Ν 4
ea OTEPOV ITE τὴν ουσιᾶν KLYNOELE Και OTAGEL
προσάπτωμεν μήτε ἄλλο ἄλλῳ μηδὲν μηδενί, GAN
12. πενίας ---κτήσεως)] Geni-
tive of respect: “" Poverty in
respect of the possession of
knowledge.” The tautology has
been objected to, but might
be paralleled from many pas-
sages in these dialogues. Some
passages in the Memorabilia
and Symposium of Xenophon
make it probable that these
words contain a personal allu-
sion to Antisthenes.
τῆς περὶ τὴν φρόνησιν κτή-
σεως] Cf. Polit. 281 6: τῆς
περὶ τὰ ἀμφιέσματα γενέσεως.
13. πάσσοφον οἰομένοις] ΟΥ̓
Pheedo go 6 : οἴονται σοφώτατοι
γεγονέναι τε καὶ κατανενοηκέναι
μόνοι ὅτι οὔτε τῶν πραγμάτων
οὐδενὸς οὐδὲν ὑγιὲς οὔτε τῶν
λόγων.
18. ἔστω] Se. λεγόμενα, from
τὰ---λεχθησόμενα infra.
d
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
139
« 7 7 / / /
251. ὡς ἄμικτα ὄντα καὶ ἀδύνατον μεταλαμβάνειν ἀλλή-
252.
iva > ‘ > rn > c lad / θῶ 3
λων οὕτως αὐτὰ ἐν τοῖς Tap ημῖν λογοῖς τιθώμεν ;
Ἃ 7 > SiON 7 « \ >
ἢ πάντα εἰς ταὐτὸν ξυνάγωμεν ws δυνατὰ ἐπικοινω-
- ᾽ / Ἂ \ / \ \ / / 2
νεῖν aAAnAos ; ἢ τὰ μέν, τὰ δὲ μὴ; Τούτων, ᾧ
/ ΕΝ Ἁ lal ,
Θεαίτητε, τί ποτ᾽ ἂν αὐτοὺς προαιρεῖσθαι φήσαιμεν ; 5
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Εγὼ μὲν ὑπὲρ αὐτῶν οὐδὲν ἔχω πρὸς
A > ,ὔ / 5 » > A » ΄
TQAUTA ἀποκρίνασθαι. Tl OUY OU καθ εν ἀποζκρινο-
OV AAS 7 \ / 5 /
μενος ἐφ᾽ ἑκάστου Ta ξυμβαίνοντα ἐσκέψω ;
mE. Καλῶς λέγεις, καὶ τιθῶμέν γε αὐτοὺς λέγειν,
εἰ βούλει, πρῶτον μηδενὶ μηδὲν μηδεμίαν δύναμιν
27 ΄ i
EXEL κοινωνίας εἰς μηδέν.
3 a / ,
οὐκοῦν κίνησίς TE καὶ
’ὔ ΕῚ lal ͵ > /
στασις οὐδαμῇ μεθέζετον OVOLAS ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐ γὰρ οὖν.
Ἐπεὶ / - 27 “ 5 lal 5 / Ἁ
mE. Τὸ δέ; ἐσται πότερον αὐτῶν οὐσίας μὴ
προσκοινωνοῦν :
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐκ ἔσται.
= XN XN / a ?
GE. Ταχὺ δὴ ταύτῃ ye τῇ συνομολογίᾳ πάντα
I. ἄμικτα ὄντα καὶ ἀδύνατον
(sc. ὃν) μεταλαμβάνειν ἀλλήλων]
The sentence changes to the
impersonal form. ἀδύνατον Bodl.
ΔΠ. Οὐδ. ἀδύνατα.
6. ᾿Εγὼ μὲν ---- Καλῶς λέγεις]
“Personesic distribuendze: ᾿Εγὼ
μὲν---ἀποκρίνασθαι : Ti οὖν----ἐσκέ-
Wo: Καλῶς λέγεις : Καὶ τιθῶμέν
γ᾽ αὐτοὺς κατιλ. Hic, ut ubique,
respondentis partes Thezeteto
tribuuntur: sed fraudem fecit
librariis initium sermonis καὶ
τιθῶμέν ye, qui abruptior illis
visus est, non animadvertenti-
bus Hospitis verba ex lis que
supra dixerat continuari.” Bad-
ham. Perhaps: but καὶ τιθῶ-
μεν ye x.7.A. seems too abrupt in
the rejoinder, and in point of
fact it is the Stranger who now
proceeds to “give each answer
at
in succession.”
7. τί οὖν ov] “Suppose you
say Yes to each alternative in
turn, and see what follows in
each several case.”
10. μηδενὶ] Governed by koz-
yvovids.
ΤΙ. eis μηδέν] “ For any re-
sult.”
14. ἔσται πότερον αὐτῶν] “Can
either of them be, without par-
ticipating in Being ?”
17. Ταχὺ δὴ] Compare Theet.
183 a, where the assertion of
absolute relativity is similarly
reduced to nothingness (ro &
ὡς ἔοικεν, avn, εἰ πάντα κινεῖται,
πᾶσα ἀπόκρισις, περὶ ὅτου
ἀποκρίνηται, ὁμοίως ὀρθὴ
οὕτω τ᾽ ἔχειν φάναι καὶ μὴ οὕτω),
and ibid. τότ e.
πάντα
a
av τις
εἶναι,
ἀνάστατα
γέγονεν]
9
a
and reason
of Being,
Motion,
Rest, and
all other
things asin-
communi-
cable with
each other?
Or shall we
bring all
into com-
munion
indiscrimi-
nately? Or,
thirdly,
shall we
say that
some have,
and others
have not,
commu-
nion ?
If we adopt
the first
hypothesis,
Motionand
15 Rest are
non-exist-
ent, for
they have
no commu-
nion with
Being.
Thus hayoe
is made at
once of all
the philoso-
phieswhich
attribute
Being to
Motion, or
to Rest,
whether as
One or
Many.
And all
theories
of compo-
sition or
division,
whether
into an in-
finite or a
fixed num-
ber of ele-
mental
forms, whe-
ther the
union and
partition
are con-
ceived as
alternating
or as ever
going on
together,
are equally
140
my / ε "ὕ “ a ‘\ a
ἀναστατα γέγονεν, WS EOLKEV, GUA TE TOV TO πᾶν Pp. 252
ΠΛΑΤΏΩΏΝΟΣ
΄ Ν lad « Δ ΄ / i ἂν > ”
κινουντῶν και Τῶν WS EV LOTAVT@MVY καὶ OOOL KAT εἴδη
Ao \ ὌΨΑ, « , "7 Φ / 3. Ἂς
Τὰ OVTA KATA TAVUTA WOAVTWS εχοντα ειναι φασιν αει
/ \ @ ,ὔ 5 ΄ cf ‘
TTQUVTES γὰρ OUTOL TO γε εἰναι σπροσάσπτοῦυσιν, οι μὲν
"ὕ ΄σ / e \ 7 e tf
δόντως κινεῖσθαι λέγοντες, οἱ δὲ ὄντως EDTHKOTA
εἰναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
\ \ \ / \
SE. Kai μὴν καὶ ὅσοι τοτὲ μὲν ξυντιθέασι τὰ
7 \ A ΄ ΕΣ > Δ Ν 5 ΓΌΟΝ
πᾶντα, τοτὲ δὲ διαιροῦσιν, εἶἰτε εἰς EV καὶ ἐξ ἐνὸς
3, 2 / yf σι /
10 ἄπειρα ELTE εἰς περᾶς EXOVTA OTOLXELA διαιρούμενοι
τς ᾽ fy i? « / \ = > 7
καὶ ἐκ τούτων συντιθέντες, ὁμοίως μὲν ἐαν ἐν μέρει
a a / « 7 \ Sos ede tf \
τοῦτο τιθῶσι γιγνόμενον, ὁμοίως δὲ καὶ ἐὰν ἀεί, κατὰ
7 7 / Ἂ » / > / y
πάντα ταῦτα λέγοιεν ἂν οὐδέν, εἴπερ μηδεμία ἐστι
ξύμμιξις.
15 ΘΒΑΙ. Ὀρθῶς.
37 / ΕΝ » ’
SE. Ἔτι τοίνυν ἂν αὐτοὶ πάντων καταγελαστο-
δ / € \ an /
TaTa μετίοιεν τὸν λόγον οἱ μηδὲν ἐῶντες κοινωνίᾳ
, e 7] 7, 7)
παθήματος ἑτέρου θάτερον προσαγορεύειν.
“ All theories are hopelessly
unsettled,” or “swept away.”
“The ground is cut away
from all.”
I. ἅμα τε τῶν] Qu. an le-
gend. ra?
2. ὡς ἕν ἱστάντων] Se. τὸ
πᾶν.
kar εἴδη] “In several ab-
stract forms.”
8. Kai μὴν] This sentence
refers wholly to Empedocles
(cf. ἐν μέρει) and Heraclitus (cf.
ἀεί), aS Heindorf justly ob-
serves, unless some of the
earlier Ionians (6. ο. Anaxime-
nes) are included in the words
ἐξ ἑνὸς ἄπειρα.
12. κατὰ πάντα ταῦτα] These
words resume the preceding
clauses εἴτε----συντιθέντες, ὁμοίως
“Tn all or any of these
modes their theory is nothing
worth.” ;
16. Ἔτι τοίνυν] Cf. Euthyd.
303 d: καὶ τόδε ad ἕτερον δημο-
τικόν τι καὶ πρᾷον ἐν τοῖς λόγοις"
ὁπόταν φῆτε μήτε καλὸν εἶναι μη-
δὲν μήτε ἀγαθὸν πρᾶγμα μήτε k.T.A.
- τῷ ὄντι ξυρράπτετε τὰ στόματα
τῶν ἀνθρώπων---ὗτι δὲ οὐ μόνον
τὰ τῶν ἄλλων, ἀλλὰ----καὶ τὰ ὑμέ-
τερα αὐτώ K.T.A.
αὐτοὶ] The very men who
deny predication, with whom
we are now conversing, and on
whose hypothesis the present
argument is built.
17. of μηδὲν ἐῶντες] “ Who
forbid us to call anything, be-
See,
——— (EL.
ὴ
“4
252.
ο
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς;
141
— a 5 , ᾽ ΄,
EE. Τῷ τε εἶναί που περὶ πάντα ἀναγκάζονται
πε Ν “ (el ef Ν “ >
χρῆσθαι καὶ τῷ χωρὶς καὶ τῷ ἄλλων καὶ τῷ καθ
CoN XQ / , Ὁ > na 57 SA
QUTO Kal μυριοις ἑτέροις, ων AKPATELS OVTES εἴργεσθαι
QA Ν / > ΄ / > + /
καὶ μὴ συνάπτειν ἐν τοῖς λόγοις οὐκ ἄλλων δέονται 5
lad / Υ Ν / 7 »
τῶν ἐξελεγξόντων, ἀλλὰ TO λεγόμενον οἴκοθεν τὸν
΄ὔ Se ate) / By ’ Ν ε
πολέμιον καὶ ἐναντιωσόμενον ἔχοντες, ἐντὸς ὑποφθεγ-
/ eA Ν yx > / /
γόμενον ὥσπερ Tov atomov KupuxAca, περιφέροντες
SN he
QEL TTOPEVOVT AL.
cause partaking of some affec-
tion from another thing, by
the name of that other.”
παθ. ἑτ. -- κοιν. τοῦ πάσχειν ὑφ᾽
ἐτ. Cf. supr. 245 a: πάθος τοῦ
ἑνὸς ἔχειν.
(18.) ἑτέρου is governed by πα-
θήματος. Similar language occurs
in the passage of the Philebus
already cited, p. 13 a: ὅτι mpo-
wayopevets
ἑτέρῳ, φήσομεν, ὀνόματι.
2. Τῷ τε εἶναί που] Cf. Theet.
157 b, 196 e, 202 a.
3. ἄλλων] Qu. an legend.
ἀλλήλων ἵ
4. ὧν ἀκρατεῖς ὄντες εἴργεσθαι
καὶ μὴ συνάπτειν ἐν τοῖς λόγοις]
ὧν is governed by εἴργεσθαι, but
probably also connected by at-
traction with ἀκρατεῖς. συν-
ἄπτειν is used absolutely. “ So
that having no power to re-
frain from such expressions, or
to banish connexion from their
discourse.”
6. ἀλλὰ τὸ λεγόμενον͵] “ But
they always carry about their
enemy, who haunts them, as
the saying is, in their own
house, and like the wondrous
EKurycles, has a voice within
them which mocks every syl-
lable they utter.” Compare
κοιν.
> A 2 , el
αὐτὰ, avopola ovTa,
Cratyl. 428 ce, where the ac-
count of self-deception is like
that of self-contradiction here :
ὅταν yap μηδὲ σμικρὸν ἀποστατῇ
ἀλλ᾽ ἀεὶ παρῇ ὁ ἐξαπατήσων, πῶς
Cf. also Gorg. 482
Ὁ: οὔ σοι ὁμολογήσει Καλλικλῆς,
ὦ Καλλίκλεις, ἀλλὰ διαφωνήσει ἐν
ἅπαντι τῷ βίῳ.
8. τὸν ἄτοπον Ἑὐρυκλέα] (See
Aristoph. Vesp. 1014.) Eury-
cles was a ventriloquist pro-
phet. This passage seems to
imply that he made his voice
sound as if from within the
person consulting him; and
this is also suggested by the
Scholiast’s absurd gloss on
ἄτοπον : Tov μὴ ἑδραῖον ἀλλ᾽
ἀεὶ ἐκτοπίζοντα λέγει. The story
told by the Scholiast, that Eu-
rycles suffered from having
given an offensive response to
some one, is probably a mis-
taken attempt to explain the
connexion between ὥσπερ ---
Εὐρύκλεα and οἰκόθεν τὸν πολέ-
μιον.
is that they have their enemy
and their opponent in their
own breast, in the shape of a
voice, which comes from within
them, like the answer of Eury-
cles, who used to speak in those
ov δεινόν ;
The meaning of course
undone, if
all combi-
nation is
denied.
3ut the
most com-
plete dis-
comfiture
attends the
enemies of
predication
themselves.
For they
cannot help
applying to
the subject
of their
discourse
such words
as $£16,1
“apart,”
“from
others,”
“by itself,”
and have
thus an
adversary
within,
who saves
our labour
by convict-
ing them
of self-con-
tradiction
out of
their own
mouths.
But if all
things are
allowed to
have com-
munion,
Motion will
rest and
Rest will
move.
The third
case alone
remains :
that some
things
enter into
combina-
tion, and
some do
not.
142 ITAATQNO2
a / “ / “Ὁ ’
OEAI. Κομιδῇ λέγεις ὁμοιὸν τε καὶ ἀληθές.
τὰ ΄ > - ,
EE. Ti δ᾽, av πάντα ἀλλήλοις ἐῶμεν δύναμιν
ἔχειν ἐπικοινωνίας ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τοῦτο μὲν οἷός τε κἀγὼ διαλύειν.
5 WE. [Ids ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὅτι κίνησίς τε αὐτὴ παντάπασιν ἵσταιτ᾽
Ἂ Ud 3 “ 5
ἂν καὶ στάσις αὖ πάλιν αὐτὴ κινοῖτο, εἴπερ ἐπιγιγνοί-
σθὴην ἐπ᾽ ἀλλήλοιν.
HE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τοῦτό γέ που ταῖς μεγίσταις
το ἀνάγκαις ἀδύνατον, κίνησίν τε ἵστασθαι καὶ στάσιν
κινεῖσθαι.
BEAT. Las γὰρ οὔ:
\
SE. To τρίτον δὴ μόνον λοιπόν.
ΘΈΑΙ. Ναί.
— Ν Χ o 7 , > “-“ x ΄
6 EH. Καὶ μὴν ἕν γέ τι τούτων ἀναγκαῖον, ἢ πάντα
ΩΝ \ x Ν \ 5 / Ν \ Χ !
ἢ μηδὲν ἢ τὰ μὲν ἐθέλειν, τὰ δὲ μὴ συμμίγνυσθαι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Has γὰρ οὔ:
XN
HE. Καὶ μὴν τά ye δύο ἀδύνατον εὑρέθη.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
20 (ΞΕ. Πᾶς ἄρα ὃ βουλόμενος ὀρθῶς ἀποκρίνεσθαι
Ν
\ a lal ,
τὸ λοιπὸν τῶν τριῶν θήσει.
ΘΕΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
EE. Ὅτε δὴ τὰ μὲν ἐθέλει τοῦτο δρᾷν, τὰ δ᾽ οὔ,
who came to him. Cf. Rep. 7,
521 b: οἰκεῖος ὧν καὶ ἔνδον ὁ
ham conj. ἐπιμιγνύσθην. But οὗ
Phileb. 37 ¢ : δόξῃ μὲν ἐπιγίγνε-
τοιοῦτος πόλεμος αὐτούς τε ὄλλυσι
καὶ τὴν ἄλλην πόλιν.
I. ὅμοίον τε καὶ ἀληθές] “Most
true, your image is a very just
one.” Cf. Rep. 8,579 d: Παν-
τάπασιν, ἔφη, ὁμοιότατά τε καὶ
ἀληθέστατα λέγεις.
η. ἐπιγιγνοίσθην ἐπ᾿] ἐπιμι-
γνοίσθην ἐπ᾿, YZ. Hence Bad-
σθον ψεῦδος τε Kat ἀληθές.
9. ταῖς μεγίσταις ἀνάγκαις]
For the plur., compare Rep. 5,
458d: ἐρωτικαῖς ἀνάγκαις: and
for the whole expression, Tim.
87 d: ov καλὸν ὅλον τὸ ζῶον----
ἀξύμμετρον γὰρ ταῖς μεγίσταις
ξυμμετρίαις.
Pp. 2529)
ἃ
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
149
Ἃ - \ / Lg ἃ 7 Ν \
253. σχεδὸν OLOV TA γραμματα πεπονθοτ᾽ ἂν εἰῆ. Kal yap
» U ‘ \ ’ vad Ν ” \ \
ἐκείνων TA μέν ἀναρμοστεῖ που πρὸς ἄλληλα, τὰ δε
/
Evvapporre: .
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς δ᾽ οὔ ;
EE. Τὰ δέ γε φωνήεντα διαφερόντως τῶν ἄλλων 5
Ὁ Ν \ / / a ” Ν
OLOV δεσμὸς διὰ TTQAVT@V KEK @PIKEV, @MOTE AVEV τινος
’ lal > / ε , Ν fas yf Ψ
αὐτῶν ἀδυνατον ἁρμόττειν καὶ τῶν ἄλλων ἕτερον
δ
ETEPO.
ΘΕΑΙ. Kai μάλα ye.
= an @ 53 « ΄ « / \
=E. Πᾶς οὗν οἶδεν ὁποῖα ὁποίοις δυνατὰ κοινω-
la Ἃ γ al tal ,ὔ κω ε fal > ,
νεῖν, ἢ τέχνης δεῖ TH μέλλοντι δρᾷν ἱκανῶς αὐτὰ ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τέχνης.
=E. Ποίας;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τῆς γραμματικῆς.
ΞΕ. Ti δέ; περὶ τοὺς τῶν ὀξέων καὶ βαρέων
> » Ο ε \ \
φθόγγους ap οὐχ οὕτως ; ὁ μὲν τοὺς συγκεραννυ-
1. σχεδὸν οἷον τὰ γράμματα]
The example of letters is
used to symbolize the nature
of the ideas, as in Theet. 202 e
(where it is shewn that the
simple is known before the
complex). Polit. 277, 278 (il-
lustration of the argument
from example). Rep. 3, 402
(education in μουσική). Phileb.
18 (science determining the
infinite). In the Theetetus
and Philebus the parallel il-
lustration from musical notes
is also adduced, as here.
5. Ta δέ ye φωνήεντα---οἷον
deopds] In this the vowels
symbolize the highest ideas, or
eategories, Being, Identity, and
Difference. Compare Theet.
107 d: in the image of the
aviary, ἐνίας δὲ μόνας διὰ πασῶν
ὅπῃ ἂν τύχωσι πετομένας---ὙὙΠΘΓΘ
the same thing is intimated,
and equally without explana-
tion.
7. apudtrew] Neuter verb.
10. Πᾶς οὖν οἶδεν] Compare
Crat. 388 d: πᾶς δὲ τέκτων ἢ ὁ
τὴν τέχνην ἔχων ;
11. δρᾷν ἱκανῶς aira] This
expression has no distinct an-
tecedent. But cf. Thext. 207
d (in a similar connexion),
δρῶντας αὐτά, and note. The
conjectural emendation, ὁρᾷν,
is therefore not absolutely re-
quired ; though, if such were
the true reading, it may easily
have been corrupted from δρᾷν
supr. 252 e.
τό. ὁ---τέχνην ἔχων γιγνώσκειν
“Who has the art of discern-
ing.” For the inf., cf. Theet.
169 a: ὧν δὴ σὺ πέρι αἰτίαν
ἔχεις διαφέρειν. 3
Just as of
the letters
of the al-
phabet
some can
and others
cannot be
combined,
and the
same is
true of mu-
sical notes.
It is also
to be ob-
served,
that the
vowels are
distin-
guished by
the power
which they
have of
entering
into every
combina-
tion, and
being
15 indispen-
sable to all.
And as
none but
the gram-
marian can
tell which
letters, and
none but
the musi-
cian which
notes, may
or may not
be com-
bined, so
none but
the dialec-
tician can
tell what
combina-
tions of
ideas are
possible.
144
‘ ΄ ᾽ / '
μένους τε Kal μὴ τέχνην ἔχων γιγνώσκειν μουσικὸς, P- 253 jj
« \ ‘\ Ν 37
ὁ δὲ μὴ ξυνιεὶς ἄμουσος :
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὕτως.
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
\ “ 3, Χ a \ >
SE. Kai κατὰ τῶν ἄλλων δὴ τεχνῶν καὶ ἀτε-
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς δ᾽ οὔ;
al A c / A
5 XVLOV Τοιαυτὰ ευρησομεν ETEPA.
ΞΕ. Ti δ᾽; ἐπειδὴ καὶ τὰ γένη πρὸς ἄλληλα
\ 5 \ / 27 « / 3? > Ε]
κατὰ ταῦυτα μίξεως EXELY ὡμολογήκαμεν, OP οὐ μετ
5 / Ν ΄σ΄ \ ΄σ / ’
ἐπιστήμης τινὸς ἀναγκαῖον διὰ τῶν λόγων πορεύ-
\ “-“ ΄σ
ιοεσθαι τὸν ὀρθῶς μέλλοντα δείξειν ποῖα ποίοις συμ-
σι ΄ ΄- Ν ΄σ 32) 5 / Ν
φωνεῖ τῶν γενῶν καὶ ποῖα ἄλληλα οὐ δέχεται; καὶ
\ N \ , > , nos 5 , WA
δὴ καὶ διὰ πάντων εἰ συνέχοντα Ταῦτ εστιν, WOTE
/ \ 3 Ἂν ,ὔ 5 r
συμμίγνυσθαι δυνατὰ εἶναι ; καὶ πάλιν ἐν ταῖς διαι-
7 > δι “ Ψ “- ,ὔ 3)
βέσεσιν, ει Οἱ ολων ETEPA TNS διαιρέσεως αιτιᾶ 9
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ οὐκ ἐπιστήμης δεῖ, καὶ σχεδόν
ye ἴσως τῆς μεγίστης ;
4. τεχνῶν καὶ ἀτεχνιῶν] “Arts
and defects οἵ art’—which can
only be determined by refer-
ence to the standard of the
corresponding arts.
For the mode of expression,
which arises from Plato’s love
of complete statement, Hein-
dorf well compares Legg. 2,
653 6: οὐκ ἔχειν αἴσθησιν τῶν
ἐν ταῖς κινήσεσι τάξεων οὐδὲ ἀτα-
ξιῶν, οἷς δὴ ῥυθμὸς ὄνομα καὶ
ἁρμονία. Cf. also infr. 262 ο:
πρᾶξιν οὐδ᾽ ἀπραξίαν.
4. τὰ γένη] The word γένος
is used instead of εἶδος in se-
veral places of these dialogues,
and also in the Parmenides,
Philebus, Timzeus, and Laws.
This is one of several points in
which there appears a transi-
tion in these dialogues towards
the language of Aristotle. See
esp. Parm. 135 Ὁ : ὡς ἔστι γένος
τι ἑκάστου καὶ οὐσία αὐτὴ καθ᾽ αὗ-
τήν. Phileb,12e: γένει μέν ἐστι
πᾶν ἕν, τὰ δὲ μέρη κιτιλ. It will
be observed that the word oc-
curs here at the opening of an
especially Platonic passage.
8. μίξεως] Gen. of respect.
Cf. Rep. 5, 456d: πῶς ἔχεις
δόξης τοῦ τοιοῦδε πέρι. Alib.
11. καὶ δὴ----εἶναι] “ And also
whether there are any kinds
which (like the vowels), being
all-pervading, bind together
these and make them capable
of intermixture.”
12. ταῦτα] Viz. τὰ συμφωνοῦντα
τῶν γενῶν.
14. εἰ δ ὅλων---αἴτια] Antici-
pating the θατέρου φύσις which
is presently discovered, διὰ πάν-
τῶν διεληλυθυΐαν, p. 255.
252.
d
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
145
= 4? S 3 a lal Ss. /
aH. Ti οὖν αὖ viv προσεροῦμεν, © Θεαίτητε,
, a Ν ἊΝ > Ἢ > Ν lal ,
TavTnv ; ἢ πρὸς Διὸς ἐλάθομεν εἰς τὴν τῶν ἐλευ-
4 » / ᾽ / / ς
θέρων ἐμπεσόντες ἐπιστήμην, καὶ κινδυνεύομεν ζη-
an ἣν \ / > Ν
Τουνῖτῖες TOV σοφιστὴν 7 POTEPOV ἀνευρηκέναι TOV
φιλόσοφον ;
OEAI. Πώς λέγεις ;
bai \ \ ’ a >
BE. To κατὰ γένη διαιρεῖσθαι καὶ μήτε ταὐτὸν
5 cod ᾿ - ’ 7 -“ AY ἐπ A
εἶδος ἕτερον ἡγήσασθαι μῆτε ἕτερον ὃν ταὐτὸν μῶν
οὐ τῆς διαλεκτικῆς φήσομεν ἐπιστήμης εἶναι;
GEAI. Ναί, φήσομεν.
EE. Οὐκοῦν 6 γε τοῦτο δυνατὸς δρᾷν μίαν ἰδέαν
A ral ΟΝ CQ / , /
δια πολλῶν, ἐνὸς ἑκάστου κειμένου χωρίς, παντὴ δια-
’, « a is Ν \ ΘΟ
τεταμένην ἱκανῶς διαισθάνεται, καὶ πολλᾶς ἑτέρας
> , € Ν la yay / Ν / 5
ἀλλήλων ὑπὸ μιᾶς ἔξωθεν περιεχομενας, καὶ μίαν αὖ
δὲ ὅλων πολλῶν ἐν ἑνὶ ξυνημμένην, καὶ πολλὰς
2. τὴν τῶν ἐλευθέρων Al-
though the Stranger was not
present at the conversation of
yesterday, he is made to allude
to the description of the philo-
sophic life which Socrates had
then given. Theet. 172, sqq.
Such a failure of the dramatic
element could have no place
in the Charmides, Protagoras,
or Pheedrus, and is rather in
the manner of the Laws.
7. μήτε ταὐτὸν εἶδος ἕτερον---
ταὐτὸν] This closely corresponds
with the account of dialectic in
the Pheedrus, 265 ἃ, e.
τι. OvKodv —ériotacbar|“Then
surely he who can do this is
able clearly to perceive one
form pervading many indivi-
duals which lie apart, and many
forms distinct from one an-
other, comprehended from with-
out by one, and again, one form
U
pervading many such wholes,
and knit together in a single
unity, and many entirely sun-
dered and apart. And this is
to have the science of discern-
ing in each kind wherein things
admit of communion, and
wherein they do not.”
μίαν ἰδέαν διὰ πολλῶν] Com-
pare Phileb. τό d, e; Legg.
12, 965 ¢: ἄρ᾽ οὖν ἀκριβεστέρα
σκέψις θέα τ᾽ ἂν περὶ ὁτουοῦν ὅτῳ-
οὖν γίγνοιτο ἢ τὸ πρὸς μίαν ἰδέαν
ἐκ τῶν πολλῶν καὶ ἀνομοίων δυνα-
τὸν εἶναι βλέπειν.
12. ἑνὸς ἑκάστου κειμένου χωρίς]
Cf. Tim. 83 ὁ : καὶ τὸ μὲν κοινὸν
ὄνομα πᾶσι τούτοις ἤ τινες τῶν
ἰατρῶν που χόλον ἐπωνόμασαν ἢ
καί τις ὧν δυνατὸς εἰς πολλὰ μὲν
καὶ ἀνόμοια βλέπειν, ὁρᾷν δ᾽ ἐν
αὐτοῖς ἕν γένος ἐνὸν ἄξιον ἐπωνυ-
μίας πᾶσι. Pheedr. 265.
15. δ ὅλων πολλῶν] These
ο
In search-
ing for the
Sophist we
have found
the philo-
sopher, the
“ freeman
whom the
truth
makes
free.” For
dialectic
is his pro-
vince, that
is, the art
by which
one form is
seen per-
vading a
scattered
multitude,
and many
distinct
forms as
contained
in one, and
again, one
15 form com-
bined from
many such
general
forms, and
several
universals,
by the
boundaries
of defini-
tion wholly
sundered
from all
else.
This is the
knowledge
of the com-
munionand
incommu-
nicableness
of kinds.
In this
sphere the
philoso-
pher is to
be sought
when
his turn
shall come,
and, like
theSophist,
he is not
easily dis-
146
χωρὶς πάντῃ διωρισμένας.
MAATOQNOS
a ᾽ 4 e
τοῦτο δ᾽ ἐστιν, ἢ TE Ῥ. 253.}}}
a “ / , a / ὃ / \ e
KOLY@VELY EKAOTA δύναται και O77) PB), LAK PLVELV κατα
/ > /
γένος ἐπίστασθαι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τό γε διαλεκτικὸν οὐκ ἄλλῳ
΄ ε 59, \ “ lal Ν /
δώσεις, ὡς ἐγῴμαι, πλὴν τῷ καθαρῶς TE καὶ δικαίως
φιλοσοφοῦντι.
-
ΘΈΑΙ. Πῶς yap av ἄλλῳ δοίη τις ;
Υ
EE. Τὸν μὲν δὴ φιλόσοφον ἐν τοιούτῳ τινὶ τόπῳ
Ν la ἃς yf 3 7 xX lal > ΄σ
Ιοκαὶ νυν και €E7TELTA ἀνευρήσομεν, εαν ζητῶμεν, ἰδεῖν
Ν a a “ XN /
μὲν χαλεπὸν ἐναργῶς καὶ τοῦτον, ἕτερον μὴν τρόπον
“ A an 7 σ ΄
ἢ τε τοῦ σοφιστοῦ χαλεπότης ἢ τε TOUTOU.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς;
ἘΠῊϊ ‘O \ ’ ὃ ὃ ’ ΟῚ \ lat \ yf
pay La. μεν ATTOOLOPADK@V εἰς THY TOV μὴ OVTOS
7 ΄σ ΄ aS x ἣν
το σκοτεινοτητα, τριβῇ προσαπτομενος αὑτῆς, διὰ TO
\ π᾿ ΄ a , 5 ,
OKOTELVOV TOU TOTTOU κατανοῆσαι χαάλεπος. ω) yap 5
wholes are the ideas just men-
tioned, each of which extends
to many individuals. Many
particulars are comprised in
one universal, and many such
universals again unite in one.
(1 5.) ἐν ἑνὶ] Se. ὅλῳ, or, abso-
lutely, “in one.” Cf. Thezt.
157 ἃ: ἐπὶ ἑνός, Legg. 4,718 6:
ἐν ἑνὶ περιλαβόντα οἷόν τινι τύπῳ.
6. καθαρῶς] 1.6. Without ad-
mixture of unphilosophic ele-
ments ; “one who has risen into
the region of pure thought.”
δικαίως, 1.e. neither ἀναξίως (Rep.
5, 495) hor παρανόμως (Ib. 7,
538, 9). For καθαρῶς, cf. Pheedo
65¢, 67a, b, 69 Ὁ. And for
δικαίως, cf. Pheedo 83 a: of δι-
καίως φιλομαθεῖς.
10. καὶ ἔπειτα] Viz. In the
“ Philosopher,” about the pro-
duction of which, however,
some doubt is implied in the
words ἐὰν (ytGpev. Cf. infr, b:
ἂν ἔτι βουλομένοις ἡμῖν 7. From
which it may perhaps be in-
ferred that Plato deliberately
relinquished the task of writ-
ing the Philosophus dialogue.
11. ἕτερον μὴν τρόπον] Se. ἐστὶν
ΟΥ̓ γίγνεται.
15. τριβῇ] τριβὴ (“ knack,”
“rule of thumb,”) is several
times opposed even more
strongly than ἐμπειρία to
knowledge and art, and is
pointedly applied in the Phe-
drus and Gorgias to the so-
phistical rhetoric. Phedr. 260
Θ: οὐκ ἔστι τέχνη, GAN ἄτε-
xvos τριβή. Ib. 270 b. Gorg.
463 Ὁ: οὐκ ἔστι τέχνη, ἀλλ᾽ ἐμ-
πειρία καὶ τριβῆ. See also Phi-
lebus 55 6: τὰς αἰσθήσεις κατα-
μελετᾷν ἐμπειρίᾳ καί τινι τριβῇ,
Ρ. 254:
, 254.
ΣΘΦΙΣΤΗ͂Σ.
ἼΠοικεν.
OEAI.
147
EE. Ὃ δέ ye φιλόσοφος, τῇ Tod ὄντος ἀεὶ διὰ
Lo) / > / Ν Ν Ν 53 a
λογισμῶν προσκείμενος ἰδέᾳ, διὰ TO λαμπρὸν αὖ τῆς
7 ΕῚ a > \ > ω
χώρας οὐδαμῶς εὐπετὴς ὀφθηναι"
τὰ γὰρ τῆς τῶν
πολλῶν ψυχῆς ὄμματα καρτερεῖν πρὸς τὸ θεῖον ἀφο-
a ff
ρῶντα ἀδύνατα.
ΘΙΕΑΙ. Καὶ ταῦτα εἰκὸς οὐχ ἧττον ἐκείνων οὕτως
2,
eXely δ
3 ΄ \ 7 / [4
EE. Οὐκοῦν περὶ μὲν τούτου καὶ τάχα ἐπισκεψό-
/ ΩΝ 3, 2 tS 3 \
μεθα σαφέστερον, av ἔτι βουλομένοις ἡμῖν ἢ" περὶ δὲ
lad a lal e > > / Ν ΕΝ
τοῦ σοφιστοῦ που δῆλον ὡς οὐκ ἀνετέον, πρὶν ἂν
ε ro ἌΝ /
ἱκανῶς αὑτὸν θεασώμεθα.
ταῖς τῆς στοχαστικῆς προσχρω-
μένους δυνάμεσιν (which are
here opposed to the essential
elements of art). The word
probably retains in this place
something of the original sen-
suous meaning: the Sophist,
from frequent contact, knows
how to feel his way in the
dark cave in which he lurks.
And perhaps it is further
hinted that he is the true ma-
terialist who gropes by the
touch (τριβῇ προσαπτόμενος),
and is blind to the light of
heaven.
2. διὰ λογισμῶν] “Through
reasoning.” Opposed to τριβῇ.
Cf. supr. 248 a.
3. προσκείμενος] “ Clinging
to.” Cf. Rep. 6, 490 Ὁ : ἀλλ’
ἴοι Kat οὐκ ἀπαμβλύνοιτο οὐδ᾽ ἀπο-
λήγοι τοῦ ἔρωτος K.-T.) Ib. 511}:
ἵνα μέχρι τοῦ avur οθέτου ἐπὶ τὴν
τοῦ παντὸς ἀρχὴν ἰὼν, ἁψάμενος
αὐτῆς, πάλιν αὖ ἐχόμενον τῶν ἐκεί-
νης ἐχομένων K.T.A.
4. τὰ γὰρ τῆς τῶν πολλῶν]
The image of the cave in the
Republic will occur to every
τ
reader. Cf. esp. Rep. 7, 518:
διτταὶ καὶ ἀπὸ διττῶν γίγνονται
ἐπιταράξεις (1 ἐπιγιγν. ταρ. 1) ὀμ-
μάσιν κιτλ. See also the re-
markable passage in the Laws,
10, 897 d: μὴ τοίνυν ἐξ ἐναντίας
οἷον εἰς ἥλιον ἀποβλέποντες, νύκτα
ἐν μεσημβρίᾳ ἐπαγόμενοι, ποιησώ-
μεθα τὴν ἀπόκρισιν, ὡς νοῦν ποτε
θνητοῖς ὄμμασιν ὀψόμενοί τε καὶ
γνωσόμενοι ἱκανῶς κιτιλ. Com-
pare with the whole passage
Bacon, Advancement of Learn-
ing (Ellis and Spedding’s edi-
tion), vol. ili. p.286: “Were it
not better for a man in a fair
room to set up one great light,
or branching candlestick of
lights, than to go about with a
small watch candle into every
corner 2”
9. καὶ τάχ] For τάχα = mox,
“presently,” cf. Phil. 53e: Τάχα
S—paddov μαθησόμεθα προελθόν-
τος τοῦ λόγου : 4110. The sub-
ject has been already proposed
by Socrates, and will be ex-
amined presently, as soon as
the Sophist and Statesman shall
have been defined.
9
~
σι
μι
cerned: but
for a differ-
ent reason.
The So-
phist lurks
amidst the
darkness of
Not-Being,
of which he
knows the
trick. The
philoso-
pher clings
by the force
of reason to
the Form
of Being,
which is
° dark only
with the
excess of
light, and
because of
the weak-
ness of
mortal
vision.
But for the
present we
must per-
severe in
our effort
to find the
Sophist.
Tie:
Since we
are agreed
that some
kinds ad-
mit of com-
bination
and some
do not, and
this in
various de-
grees, while
148
SEAL. Καλῶς εἶπες.
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
σ ? > \ \ \ fee a” a“ e /
EE. “Or οὖν δὴ τὰ μὲν ἡμῖν τῶν γενῶν @podo-
΄ > / / \ \ / Ν Ν
γηται κοινωνεῖν ἐθέλειν ἀλλήλοις, τὰ δὲ μη, καὶ τὰ
΄ A \ Ν Ν
μὲν ἐπ᾽ ὀλίγον, τὰ δ᾽ ἐπὶ πολλά, τὰ δὲ καὶ διὰ
/ > \ / lol lat / Ν
5 TAVT@V οὐδὲν κωλύειν τοις πᾶάσι κΚεκοινωνῆκεναι, TO
\ \ a / cr , ηὃ
δὴ μετὰ τοῦτο ξυνεπισπώμεθα τῷ λόγῳ τῇδε σκο-
cal \ 7 al ΄σ- 7 \
ποῦντες, μὴ περὶ πάντων τῶν εἰδῶν, ἵνα μὴ ταρατ-
΄ὔ la > \ / Len /
τώμεθα ἐν πολλοῖς, ἀλλὰ προελόμενοι τῶν μεγίστων
7 yy lal \ lal v4 , >
λεγομένων ΑΤΤΟα. TPWTOV μὲν ποιὰ εκᾶστα EOTLY,
2. "Or οὖν---ὡμολόγηται] Join
ὡμολόγηται ἡμῖν.
3. καὶ τὰ μὲν----κεκοινωνηκέναι]
This was not distinctly said,
but was partly implied in what
was said of the vowels, supra
Reha.
4. er ὀλίγον] “To a small
extent.”
ἐπὶ πολλά] “Extending com-
munication to many things.”
6. ξυνεπισπώμεθα τῷ λόγῳ]
The ideas of Being, rest and
motion, which are now chosen
for examination, have been
suggested by the preceding
argument.
7. μὴ περὶ πάντων τῶν εἰδῶν]
Cf. Spinoz. Eth. II. 1: Transeo
jam ad explicanda que ex Dei
sive entis eterni et infiniti
essentia necessario debuerunt
sequi: non quidem omnia (in-
finita enim infinitis modis ex
ipsa debere sequi We.).
iva μὴ ταραττώμεθα ἐν πολ-
λοῖς] A similar reason is ad-
duced for the use of the argu-
ment from Example in Polit.
278 c: ἡ ψυχὴ --- τὰ μὲν αὐτῶν
apy γέ πῃ τῶν συγκράσεων ὀρθῶς
δοξάζει, μετατιθέμενα δὲ εἰς τὰς
yA / 3 4 “ 37 / ad
10 €TELTA κοινωνίας ἀλλήλων πῶς ἔχει δυνάμεως, ἵνα
τῶν πραγμάτων μακρὰς καὶ μὴ
ῥᾳδίας συλλαβὰς ταὐτὰ ταῦτα πά-
λιν ἀγνοεῖ. The contrast in
the text, however, is not be-
tween the simplicity of ideas
and the complexity of facts,
but between the few great
ideas and the multiplicity of
lesser ones.
8. προελόμενοι] Cf. Parm,
143 Ο: ἐὰν προελώμεθα αὐτῶν
εἴτε βούλει τὴν οὐσίαν καὶ τὸ ἕτε-
ρον εἴτε τὴν οὐσίαν καὶ τὸ ἕν εἴτε
τὸ ἕν καὶ τὸ ἕτερον. Phileb. 45 6,
52 6.
10. δυνάμεως] Gen. of respect,
like μίξεως supra. “ How they
stand in respect of capacity of
intercommunion.”
ἵνα τό τε ὄν --- ἀπαλλάττειν
“That, even if we cannot grasp
with perfect clearness the no-
tions of Being and Not-Being,
we may at least exhaust the
argument respecting them, in
so far as the method of the
present inquiry permits, and
try if in any way we can
force the point that Not-Being
is really Not-Being, and take
no harm.”
P: 254}
c
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
149
/ x Ν ἊΣ, τὰν 3 \ , , ,
254. τὸ τε ὃν καὶ μὴ ὃν εἰ μὴ πάσῃ σαφηνείᾳ δυνάμεθα
λαβεῖν, ἀλλ᾽ οὖν λόγου γε ἐνδεεῖς μηδὲν γιγνώμεθα
\ SIAN 5 ὦ ε , ’ / rn A
περὶ αὐτῶν, καθ᾽ ὅσον ὁ τρόπος ἐνδέχεται τῆς νῦν
7 aN » φὰς ’ὔ Ν ν ἊἋ
σκέψεως, ἐὰν apa ἡμῖν πῃ παρεικαθῃ τὸ μὴ ὃν
, «ε Ψ Sy \ ὃ ᾽ >
λέγουσιν ws ἐστιν ὄντως μὴ ov ἀθῴοις ἀπαλ- 5
i
λαττειν.
BEAI. Οὐκοῦν χρή.
eS} ᾽ὔὕ \ a “ Δ A Ν fn
BE. Μέγιστα μὴν τῶν γενῶν, ἃ νῦν δὴ διῆμεν,
, x οὐ ἂν Zz /
TO τε OV QUTO καὶ στάσις καὶ κίνησις.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πολύ γε.
[=| Χ Ν > a > ,
EE. Καὶ μὴν ro ye δύω φαμὲν αὐτοῖν ἀμίκτω
πρὸς ἀλλήλω.
ΘΕΑΙ. Σφόδρα γε.
Ἂ Ν la \ Ν
HE. Τὸ δέ ye ὃν μικτὸν ἀμφοῖν: ἐστὸν γὰρ
ἄμφω που.
ΘΕΑΙ. [las δ᾽ οὔ:
ΞΕ). Τρία δὴ γίγνεται ταῦτα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί μήν ;
— ᾽ An » n oe ΄ \ “-“ oS ’
ΞΕ). Οὐκοῦν αὐτῶν ἕκαστον τοῖν μὲν δυοῖν ἐτερὸν
> ONS > e a > y
ἐστιν, αὐτὸ δ᾽ ἑαυτῷ ταὐτον.
ΘΈΕΑΙ. Οὕτως.
2. λαβεῖν] “To grasp,’—as
in λαβεῖν παρ᾽ ἐμαυτῷ, παρὰ σαυ-
τῷ, Xe.
3. καθ᾽ ὅσον---σκέψεως] Thus
even in the more exact of his
dialogues Plato ever complains
of an imperfect method. Cf.
Rep. 435 d, 506 e, 533 8, Pheedo
85 ¢, Tim. 29 Ὁ.
4. παρεικάθῃ]
κασθῆ.
8. ἃ νῦν δὴ διῇμεν] The ante-
cedent is found in the following
words. ‘The most important
kinds are those which we have
Bodl.
παρει-
just been considering.”
14. ἀμφοῖν] Dative. “ Being
has admixture with both.” Cf.
Legg. 5, 733 d: τίνες οὖν καὶ
πόσοι εἰσὶ βίοι, ὧν πέρι δεῖ mpo-
ελόμενον ---- ἰδόντα ---- ὧν ὡς οἷόν
τ᾽ ἔστιν ἄνθρωπον μακαριώτατα ;
Parm. 129. 6: τὰ εἴδη, οἷ
ὁμοιότητά τε καὶ ἀνομοιότητα καὶ
πλῆθος καὶ τὸ ἕν, καὶ στάσιν καὶ
κίνησιν.
19. Οὐκοῦν----ταὐτόν] Compare
the very similar manipulation
of ideas in Theet. p. 185.
οἷον
it may
be that
some enter
universally
into com-
munion
with all, let
us examine
the nature
of a few
selected
kinds, espe-
cially with
. regard to
their power
of inter-
commu-
nion.
So we may
at least ex-
haust the
argument
about
Being and
Not-Being,
and per-
haps find
out a way
in which
Not-Being
may be
safely de-
clared to be
Not-Being.
Being,
Rest, and
Motion are
20 the highest
kinds. Of
these, Rest
and Motion
are mutu-
ally incom-
municable,
while Being
communi-
cates with
them both.
Thus there
come to be
150
ἘΠ Tl > 5 a “ > ΄ / jee
me Lu. & ΠΤΟΤ QU VUV OUTWS ELPIKALLEV TO TE TAUVTOV Ῥ. 254 ΐ
ΠΛΑΤΩΏΝΟΣ
ν᾿ la / / / \ » / ΄σ \
καὶ θάτερον ; πότερα Ovo γένη τινε αὐτώ, TOV μὲν
o yy / \ > / F > ,
τριῶν ἄλλω, ξυμμιγνυμένω μὴν ἐκείνοις ἐξ ἀνάγκης
OO / Ν Ν / > > > Ν “ « yy
ἄει, καὶ περὶ πέντε AAA οὐ ΠΕΡ τριων ὡς οντῶν
5
three. And 5 αὐτῶν σκεπτέον, ἢ τό TE ταὐτὸν τοῦτο καὶ θάτερον
each is the
same with
itself, but
other than
the remain-.
ing two.
We have
thus men-
tioned two
ec
> /
QUTOUS :
OEAI.
Ἴσως.
ὡς ἐκείνων TL προσαγορεύοντες λανθάνομεν ἡμᾶς Ρ. 25:
— > > δ, \ / , Wa fy?
mE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ov τι μὴν κίνησίς ye καὶ στάσις οὔθ
more kinds, το ἕτερον οὔτε ταὐτόν ἐστι.
unless
Same or
Other can
be identi-
fied with
Being, or
Motion, or
Rest.
But Same
and Other
are predi-
cable both
of Rest and
ΘΕΑΙ. Ios ;
bs Ὅ , a a / / \
= B. TL TEP AV ΚΟινὴ προσείπωμεν KLUNOLW και
, A a7 ’ rn er 5
στασιν, Τοῦτο οὐδέτερον QUTOLY οιον TE εἰναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ti sy;
΄ ΄ ΄ > 7
BE. Kivyois τε στήσεται καὶ στάσις αὖ κινηθη-
σεται.
I. Τί ποτ᾽ αὖ--- θάτερον] Com-
pare the emergence of the ideas
of σφόδρα, ἡρέμα and ποσὸν, and
their relation to each other,
occasioned by the simple words
καὶ σφόδρα ye, in Phileb. 24 6.
2. πότερα--- αὐτώ] Se. λεκτέον.
unemphatic, resuming
ταὐτὸν and θάτερον.
4. καὶ περὶ πέντε] Cf. supr.
2436:
δύο κιτ.λ.
ὡς évrov] For the posi-
tion of ὡς, οἵ. ταὐτὸν ὡς ὄντα
a few lines below, and παισὶν ὡς
οὖσιν ἡμῖν supY. 242 d.
5. ἢ τό τε ταὐτὸν] “Or in
saying Same and Other, are we
unconsciously speaking as of
one of those former ideas ?”
16. περὶ γὰρ---ἐναντίου] Heind.
“ Namalterutrum eorum utrum-
vis (sive motus sive status)
> ‘\
αὐτῶ,
Ν , \ cal 2 δὲ \
καὶ τρία TO πᾶν ἀλλὰ μὴ
\ \ 3 ΄ ΄ « a
περὶ yap ἀμῴοτερα θάτερον ὁποτερονοῦν
quando in utroque inerit (in
motu vel statu) alterum coget
in contrarlam rursus suze na-
turam abire, quoniam hoc alte-
rum contrarii particeps factum
est.” This is right, and has been
wrongly criticised by Badham,
who does not appear to see
that the second θάτερον must
be correlative to the first. But
Heind. and Stallb. do not seem
to have observed that the case
is still general, and is only ap-
plied to ταὐτὸν and θάτερον in
the next sentence. The argu-
ment is this :—Rest and mo-
tion cannot be identified either
with Same or Other. For if
either rest or motion were
identified with anything which
is predicable of both, motion
would rest and rest would
move: inasmuch as that (whe-
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
151
255. γιγνόμενον αὐτοῖν ἀναγκάσει μεταβάλλειν αὖ θάτερον
> > / “ « ΄ / “ " a“
b ἐπὶ τοὐναντίον τῆς αὑτοῦ φύσεως, ATE μετασχὸν τοὺ
/
ἐναντίου.
OEAI. Κομιδῇ γε.
Χ 5, ζω /
HE. Μετέχετον μὴν ἄμφω ταὐτοῦ καὶ θατέρου.
OEAI. Ναί.
= \ / / , , OS) 3) ON
HE. My τοίνυν λέγωμεν κίνησίν γ᾽ εἰναι ταῦτον
x 6 7 δ᾽ > 4
ἢ θάτερον, μηδ αὖ στάσιν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Μὴ γάρ.
53 ἊΝ Ἃ Xx > ΙΝ; -
mE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ apa τὸ ὃν καὶ τὸ ταὐτὸν ὡς EV TLIO
, « nan
διανοητέον ἡμῖν 5
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἴσως.
9 > Χ ΄
ΞΕ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ εἰ τὸ ὃν καὶ τὸ ταὐτὸν μηδὲν διάφορον
/ / 3 7 7 3 f
σημαίνετον, κίνησιν av πάλιν Kal στάσιν ἀμῴοτερα
5 , > ΄ “ ΠΝ 2X ε Ε
ειναι λέγοντες ἀμφοτερα ουτῶς αὐτὰ TAVTOY ὡς OVTA15
προσεροῦμεν.
SEAT, ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τοῦτό γε ἀδύνατον.
μ-ἰ ; 3) ὍΝ Ν XN ΟΝ A 53
=H. ᾿Αδύνατον apa ταῦτον καὶ τὸ ὃν ἕν εἰναι.
ΘΈΑΙ. Σχεδόν.
Motion,
and hence
cannot be
identified
with either.
For being
identified
with one
and then
predicated
of the
other,
either of
them, as
the case
might be,
would
cause Mo-
tion to be
predicated
of Rest, or
Rest of
Motion.
And Being
and Same-
ness are
not one:
else in say-
ing Motion
and Rest
both are,
we should
imply that
they are
both the
same.
Sameness,
HE. Τέταρτον δὴ πρὸς τοῖς τρισὶν εἴδεσιν εἶδος 20 therefore,
Χ 3 ἊΝ a
τὸ ταῦτον τιθῶμεν ;
ther rest or motion) which was
so identified with the common
predicable, becoming thus pre-
dicable of both, will cause the
other (whether motion or rest)
to be changed, as thus parti-
cipating (by the force of predi-
cation) in the opposite nature.
But sameness and difference
are predicable both of motion
and rest. Therefore neither mo-
tion nor rest can be identified
either with sameness or differ-
ence.
7. Μὴ τοίνυν] “ Let us not
therefore identify Same or
Other with motion, nor yet
with rest.” Cf. Phedo 103, 4.
13. ’AAN ei — προσεροῦμεν]
“ But if the words Being and
Sameness have no difference of
meaning, then again in saying
that motion and rest both are
we shall speak of them as being
both the same.”
20. εἶδος] Omitted in Bodl.
A. II., but probably genuine.
The Same is not only separate
from the remaining kinds, but
is itself to be recognized as a
is a fourth
kind, dis-
tinct from
the other
three.
Nor can
Otherness
be identi-
fied with
Being: else
there would
be an abso-
lute Other-
ness, as
there is an
absolute
Being. But
the Other
is always
relative to
an Other.
And so
the Other τὸ
is to be
recognized
as a fifth
kind. And
it is at the
same time
perceived
to extend
to all the
kinds. For 15 €
each of
them has
now been
distin-
guished
from the
152 ITAATONOZ®
SEAL. [avy μὲν οὖν.
— / / Ν 3 con /
ΞΕ, Ti δέ; τὸ θάτερον apa ἡμῖν λεκτέον πέμ-
τ δ ΄σ \ Ν ΕΥ̓ « 7» A > / et ke
πτον ; ἢ τοῦτο Kal TO OV ὡς OU aTTa ὀνοματα ep
CoN /
ἑνὶ γένει διανοεῖσθαι δεῖ ;
ΘΈΑΙ. Tay’ ἄν.
"καὶ > > 3 lal lad 7
ΞΕ. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οἶμαί σε συγχωρεῖν τῶν ὄντων
\ \ > \ > ’ A \ N 7
τὰ μὲν αὐτὰ καθ᾽ αὑτά, τὰ δὲ πρὸς ἀλληλα ἀεὶ
λέγεσθαι.
OEAI. Τί δ᾽ ov;
EE. To δ᾽ ἕτερον ἀεὶ πρὸς ἕτερον. ἦ yap;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὕτως.
= 3 327 5) Ν oN Ν Ν 4 \ 4
=&E. Οὐκ ἂν, εἴ ye τὸ ov Kal τὸ θάτερον μὴ Tap-
πολυ διεφερέτην᾽ ἀλλ᾽ εἴπερ θάτερον ἀμφοῖν μετεῖχε
a 9 A Ψ Ν 5") 3 y , Ny an
TOLV εἰδοῖν ὠσπεέερ TO OV, nV QV ΤΟΤΕ TL KAL TOV
e
σ
a “ 7 5 53
TOUTO O TEP ἐστιν εἶναι.
distinct kind or form. ἐνάριθμον
τῶν πολλῶν ὄντων εἶδος ἕν (infr.
258 c). The Bodleian MS.
errs more often by omission
than by insertion. The dis-
tinction between Being and
Sameness is hardly maintained
in what follows.
6. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οἶμαι----ἢ γάρ ;| “ Of
existences, some are absolute,
some correlative: other is al-
ways relative to other.” Here
absolute and relative are dis-
tinct εἴδη, but are only alluded
to in passing. (Cf. Phileb.
51: ταῦτα yap οὐκ εἶναι πρός τι
καλὰ- ἀλλ᾽ ἀεὶ καλὰ kab’ αὑτά.)
12. Οὐκ ἂν --- εἶναι] “ That
could not be if Being and Other
were not widely different. If
/ “ χ
TEPWY ETEPOV οὐ 7 pos ἔτερον.
΄ \ > ΄σ Ὁ ΄
νῦν δὲ ἀτεχνῶς ἡμῖν
/ Ἃ wi 53 / > ee Say,
ὅ τί περ ἂν ἕτερον ἢ, συμβέβηκεν ἐξ ἀνάγκης ἑτέρου
Other had partaken of both
kinds (absolute and relative),
as Being does, there would have
been a time when some one of
the class of Other things were
Other otherwise than in rela-
tion to Other. But in reality
we find that whatever is Other
must of necessity be what it is
in relation to an Other.” For
the gen. ἑτέρου, ef. Rep. 4, 438 e:
ὅσα ἐστὶν οἷα εἶναί του, and 439
a: οὐ τούτων θήσει τῶν τινὸς
εἶναι ὅπερ ἔστιν. It is ποῦ ob-
served that ταὐτὸν is also a
relative term (πρός τι). But
a thing may be ταὐτὸν in rela-
tion to itself, and so not mpos
ἕτερον ΟΥ̓ πρὸς ἄλληλα. Cf.
Thezt. 185 Ὁ,
Ρ. 255}
TAS
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. ]
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγεις καθάπερ ἔχει.
HE. Πέμπτον δὴ τὴν θατέρου φύσιν λεκτέον ἐν
lal IO. 53 > -
6 τοῖς εἴδεσιν οὖσαν, ἐν οἷς προαιρούμεθα.
256.
ΘΈΑΙ. Ναί.
Lure! Χ ie \ “-“
SE. Καὶ διὰ πάντων γε αὐτὴν αὐτῶν φήσομεν 5
3 a A “ \ “ 5 A
εἰναι διεληλυθυΐαν᾽ ἐν ἕκαστον yap ἕτερον εἶναι TOV
77 A \ « a \
ἄλλων ov διὰ THY αὑτοῦ φύσιν, ἀλλὰ διὰ TO μετέχειν
“ 5. 7 a 7
τῆς ἰδέας τῆς θατέρου.
ΘΈΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
HE. Ὧδε δὴ λέγωμεν ἐπὶ τῶν πέντε καθ᾽ ἕντο
7
ἀναλαμβάνοντες.
ΘΕΑΙ. [las ;
=D II las \ / e yy ’
bey Se POTOV μὲν κινῆσιν, WS EOTL TAVTATTACLW
oS 7 » las /
ἕτερον στάσεως. ἢ πῶς λέγωμεν ;
ΘΈΑΙ. Οὕτως.
΄ 5 ,
mE. Ov στάσις ap ἐστίν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδαμῶς.
Χ ot
BE. Ἔστι δέ ye διὰ τὸ μετέχειν τοῦ ὄντος.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἔστιν.
3. ἐν οἷς προαιρούμεθα] Equi-
valent to ἃ mpoap. ἐν is re-
peated by attraction from the
previous clause. “ Posterius
in his ἐν tanquam e precedente
syllaba natum expungerem, ni
obstaret ejusdem modi exem-
plum apud Xenoph. de Vectig.
iv.13: Am αὐτῶν μὲν οὖν ἔγωγε,
ap ὧν μέλλω λέγειν, οὐδέν τι
ἀξιῶ θαυμάζεσθαι ὡς δυσεύρετόν
τι ἐξευρηκώς." (Heind.)
10. ἐπὶ τῶν πέντε] These five
“chief kinds of Being” are
adopted by Plotinus, who, in
forming his complex notion
of the Highest Truth, prefers
them, in combination with the
triple οὐσία of the Philebus, to
x
the categories of Aristotle.
Ennead V, b. 1, VI, b. 2. He
makes a distinction, which in
Plato is hardly present, be-
tween a suwmmum genus and a
constituent element of absolute
Being.
11. ἀναλαμβάνοντες] ““ Resum-
ing,” a technical word in Pla-
tonic discussion, cf. Thezt.
187 c and note. Perhaps here
used more literally, “ taking
them up to examine them one
by one.”
13. κίνησιν] Se. λέγωμεν.
16. Οὐ στάσις ἄρ᾽ ἐστίν] Here
the Other is for the first time
seen to be identical with Ne-
gation.
rest, not by
reason of
itself, but
through
participa-
tion in the
Form of
Otherness.
Thus, first
of all, Mo-
tion is
Other than
Rest : i.e.
is not Rest.
Yet Motion
is, because
Motion
partakes
of Being.
Again,
Motion is
Other than
the Same:
is not the
Same. Yet
Motion
partakes
of Same-
ness, and
is the same
Motion.
We must
not quarrel
with this
result, that
Motion is
the Same
and not the
Same, for
each ex-
pression is
true, but
in a differ-
entrespect.
Motion is
the same
with itself 5
through
participa-
tion in the
Form of
Sameness,
not the
Same,
through
partaking
of the
Other,
whereby it
isseparated
and be-
comes
Other than
the Form
of the
Same.
Indeed, as
we have
shewn that
in the na-
ture of
things
there must
-
σι
154
EE. Αὖθις δὴ πάλιν ἡ κίνησις ἕτερον ταὐτοῦ P. 256)
> /
εστιν.
OEAI. Σχεδόν.
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
> ‘\ /
=E. Ov ταὐτὸν apa ἐστίν.
GEAI. Οὐ yap οὖν.
\ " 5 9: iN \ Ν /
BE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν αὕτη γ᾽ ἦν ταὐτὸν διὰ τὸ μετέ-
“- 4, " 5 "σ΄
Xe αὖ TAVT αὑτοῦ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ μάλα.
eect \ , \ Sa, 5 Ἀ
ΞΕ. Τὴν κίνησιν δὴ ταὐτὸν τ᾽ εἶναι καὶ μὴ
SN € Nh Ν > /
ιοταῦτὸν ὁμολογητέον καὶ οὐ δυσχεραντέον.
οὐ γὰρ
“ ΕἸ » \ ΘΙ ΩΝ ἐν Χ > / « /
ὁταν εἴπωμεν αὐτὴν ταῦτον καὶ μὴ ταῦτον, ομοιως
See 5 ϑυ τε ΄ \ OY \ Ν 4,
εἰρήκαμεν, ἀλλ᾽ ὁπόταν μὲν ταὐτόν, dia τὴν μέθεξιν
3. τς Ν ε ᾿Ν oe , “ \ \ »
TQUTOUV προς εαὐτὴν οὐτῶ λέγομεν, OTQV δὲ μὴ ταὺυ-
, \ Χ 7 53 Υ 3. δὲ ᾽
τὸν, διὰ τὴν κοινωνίαν αὖ θατέρου, Ov ἣν ἀποχωριζο-
vA 5 a , > » a » > “ὕ ov
μένη ταὐτοῦ γέγονεν οὐκ ἐκεῖνο GAA ἐτερον, ὥστε
᾽ a 3 , , ’ yA
ὀρθῶς αὖ λέγεται πάλιν ov ταῦτον.
SEAT. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
» n xX 7 ’ ᾽ Ν 7
HE. Οὐκοῦν κἂν εἴ πῃ μετελάμβανεν αὐτὴ κίνη-
I. Αὖθις δὴ πάλιν] “ Again.”
Τ. 6. To make a new beginning
from the same point, viz. κί-
νησις.
7. αὐτοῦ Se. τοῦ ταὐτοῦ.
Cf. supr. 254 d, to which ἢν
refers. πάντα is therefore re-
stricted to being, rest, and
motion, as διὰ πάντων---αὐτῶν,
p- 255 ἃ, to the five “kinds.”
αὖ marks the opposition be-
tween the reason now given
and the words ἡ κίνησις ἕτερον
ταὐτοῦ ἐστίν.
10. οὐ δυσχεραντέον] “We must
not quarrel with this contra-
diction ;” cf. Theet. 155a: οὐ
δυσκολαίνοντες. Gorg. 450 6:
ὑπολάβοι ἄν τις, εἰ βούλοιτο δυσ-
χεραίνειν ἐν τοῖς λόγοις.
οὐ γὰρ --- ὁμοίως εἰρήκαμεν]
Cf. Rep. 5, 454 Ὁ: ἐπεσκεψά-
μεθα δὲ οὐδ᾽ ὁπηοῦν τί εἶδος τὸ
τῆς ἑτέρας τε καὶ τῆς αὐτῆς φύ-
σεως καὶ πρὸς τί τεῖνον ὡριζόμεθα
τότε κιτιλ.
13. πρὸς ἑαυτὴν οὕτω λέγομεν]
“We call it so (the same) in
relation to itself.”
ὅταν --- ταὐτόν] “ But when
we speak of it as not the Same,
this is because of the participa-
tion in the Other, whereby it
is severed from the Same, and
has become not that but an
Other, so that again it is rightly
spoken of as not the Same.”
18. αὐτὴ κίνησι5] Here, and
supr. 252 d, distinguished from
the πάθημα κινήσεως. It is im-
)
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ.
/
T POO AYOPEVELY ;
155
OEAI. ᾿Ορθότατά ye, εἴπερ τῶν γενῶν συγχωρη-
σόμεθα τὰ μὲν ἀλλήλοις ἐθέλειν μίγνυσθαι, τὰ δὲ μή.
= Ν \ > / \ ,ὔ 7 > /
GE. Καὶ μὴν ἐπί ye τὴν τούτου πρότερον ἀπό- 5
ΕΥ a a 7 / ε x \
δειξιν ἢ τῶν νῦν ἀφικόμεθα, ἐλέγχοντες ὡς ἔστι κατὰ
7 7
φυσιν ταὐτῃ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Las γὰρ οὔ;
ie \ 7
BE. Λέγωμεν δὴ πάλιν" ἡ κίνησίς ἐστιν ἕτερον
cal if df i? > “-“ > A Ν my
τοῦ ἑτέρου, καθάπερ ταὐτοῦ τε ἣν ἄλλο καὶ τῆς το
,
OTATEDS 5
GEAI. ᾿Αναγκαῖον.
= E Οὐ fod EYAL of) 7 OS ὧν
μ᾿ 1). υχ €TEPOV Ap ἐστι ΤΉ καὶ €TEPOV
νῦν δὴ λόγον.
OEAI. ᾿Αληθῆ.
δι ἘΣ \ x \
aE. Ti οὖν δὴ τὸ pera
a Ψ“ SEN 7, 5 a δὲ
τριῶν ἕτερον αὐτὴν φήσομεν εἶναι, τοῦ δὲ
d μὴ φῶμεν, ὁμολογήσαντες
\ \
Κατὰ TOV
A 53 la \
TOUTO 5 apa TOV μὲν
4
τετάρτου
YN GF , YG
αὐτὰ EVAL πέντε, πέρι ὧν
Ny - > , a
καὶ ἐν οἷς προυθέμεθα σκοπεῖν :
plied that motion does ποῦ
partake of rest. Yet there is
a tendency in this dialogue to
attribute necessity or perma-
nence to the idea of motion.
5. Καὶ μὴν ----ταύτῃ] Supr. 252.
9. ἕτερον rod ἑτέρου] In this
argument motion appears 77
one and the same expression
as other and not other. Cf.
Theet. 165 b,c, compared with
the preceding argument ; and
for a similar refinement on
ἕτερον, ib, 189 6, where, how-
ever, the contradiction is merely
verbal, as in Euthyd. 301.
Having made this step, we
are prepared to understand
x
more easily that motion at
once is and is not.
14. δή] To be taken, not
closely with viv, but with the
whole sentence.
16. dpa τῶν μὲν] ap αὐτῶν,
the reading of the best MSS.,
is probably due to αὐτὴν just
below. dp’ ov, which Bekker
and the Zurich editors ap-
prove, is rightly rejected by
Stallbaum, who reads ἄρα with
seven MSS.
18, αὐτὰ] Se. τὰ γένη.
19. ἐν ois] “ Within the
sphere of which.” as in
Theet. 152 c: ey τε θερμοῖς
καὶ πᾶσι τοῖς τοιούτοις.
>
εν,
2.
~
, Sat x la 5 / Ho
256. σις στάσεως, οὐδὲν AV ἄτοπον NY στάσιμον αὐτὴν be acom-
munion of
kinds, we
should not
be stagger-
ed by find-
ing that
Motion,
qua Mo-
tion, was
stationary,
if there
were any
manner of
commu-
nion be-
tween Mo-
tion and
Rest.
Once more:
Motion is
Other than
the Other,
and so
Other and
not Other
at once.
15
And as we
have spo-
ken of five
kinds,
there re-
mains a
fourth to
be distin-
guished
from Mo-
tion. Mo-
tion is not
Being, but
partakes of τὸς
Being, and
soisandis 5
not in the
most abso-
lute sense.
Thus there
is found an
existence
of Not-
Being, oc-
casioned by
the nature
of the
Other, in
the case of
Motion,
and in that
of each of 15
the kinds,
Being not
excepted.
For Being
156
OEAI.
MAATQNO2
, Ν Ν a “΄“΄ \ /
ἐλάττω Tov ἀριθμὸν τοῦ viv δὴ φανέντος.
ἘῊῚ "Ad “- » \ / “ 53 ~ ΨΝ
bey Hse EWS apa THY κινῆσιν €TEPOV εἰναι του OV-
διαμαχόμενοι λέγωμεν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αδεέστατα μὲν οὖν.
— > “ \ lal « A > +
=E. Οὐκοῦν δὴ σαφῶς ἡ κίνησις ὄντως οὐκ OV
> Ay ὧν > / lal A ’ὔ
ἐστι Και OV, ἐπείπερ TOV OVTOS μετέχει:
ΘΕΑΙ. Σαφεστατά γε.
7 JA 4 Ν \ x 5» /
HE. Ἔστιν apa ἐξ ἀνάγκης τὸ μὴ ov ἐπί TE
, 5S \ 7, \ / \ /
το κινήσεως εἶναι καὶ κατὰ πάντα τὰ γένη. KATH TAVTO
Ν ε ’ὔ J Oo 5 ͵ n~ Wy
yap ἡ θατέρου φύσις €TEPOV ἀπεργαζομένη του OVTOS
σ 5 Ἂ lal “7 \ Ν Ce
ἕκαστον οὐκ OV ποιεῖ, καὶ ξύμπαντα δὴ κατα ταῦτα
“ 5 + 5 ΄σ 3 a x / “ /
οὕτως οὐκ ὄντα ὀρθῶς ἐροῦμεν, καὶ πάλιν, OTL μετέχει
“σ᾿, 5 / Sy 7
TOU OVTOS, ELVAL TE και OVTA.
ΘΈΑΙ. Κινδυνεύει.
σ 77 “ “ Χ ,
mE. Περὶ ἕκαστον apa τῶν εἰδῶν πολὺ μέν ἐστι
ἈΝ 97. + \ ΄ Ν NS
TO ov, ἄπειρον δὲ πλήθει TO μὴ OV.
2. φανέντος] “ Which shewed
itself.” It is implied that the
argument has proceeded, as
usual, without the will of the
speakers ; 1. 6. has not been
developed arbitrarily.
4. Stapaxdpevor] The notion
of violence, and of a conflict
with the Sophist, implied in
βιάζεσθαι and διαμαχητέον, 242 ἃ,
is continued here.
9. Ἔστιν ἄρα] 1. 6. What has
now been said of motion must
be necessarily true of every-
thing except the idea of Being.
Constr. ἔστι---τὸ μὴ ὃν εἶναι,
“Tt is true that that which
is not, is,’ “The existence of
Not-Being is a fact,” “ not
only in the case of motion, but
in every kind. For the nature
of difference, extending to all,
divides each thing from Being,
and makes it not-Being, and
so in this way we shall be
right in saying that all things
whatsoever are not-Being, and
again because they partake in
Being that they are and have
being.”
ΤΙ. ἡ θατέρου φύσις] For the
expression, cf. Parm. 156 6:
ἀλλ᾽ ἡ ἐξαίφνης αὕτη φύσις ἄτο-
πός τις ἐγκάθηται μεταξὺ τῆς κινή-
σεως τε καὶ στάσεως, ἐν χρόνῳ
οὐδενὶ οὖσα, καὶ εἰς ταύτην δὴ καὶ
ἐκ ταύτης τό τε κινούμενον μετα-
βάλλει ἐπὶ τὸ ἑστάναι καὶ τὸ
ἑστὸς ἐπὶ τὸ κινεῖσθαι.
17. ἄπειρον δὲ πλήθει τὸ μὴ ὃν]
The argument is tacitly car-
ried a step in advance. It
Kai πῶς : ἀδύνατον yap συγχωρεῖν p. 256..}
257.
ἘΘΦΙΞΤΉΗΣ. 157
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἔοικεν.
μ- » A SoH ys
HE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ τὸ ὃν αὐτὸ
5 7,
εἰναι λεκτέον.
OEAT. ᾿Ανάγκη.
ΩΝ 77 Cain. 7
SE. Καὶ τὸ ov ap ἡμῖν, ὅσα
A A » y+
Κατὰ TOOQAUTA Οὐκ εστιν.
> cad
EKELVA
a A a
Tov ἄλλων εἐτερον
\ 3 Ὁ A \
yap Οὐκ OV ἐν HEV
SCLIN + > / \ Ν » \ 3 ᾽
αὐτὸ ἐστιν. ἀπέραντα δὲ τὸν ἀριθμὸν τάλλα οὐκ
ΕΣ 5
E€OTLY AU.
ΘΕΑΙ. Σχεδὸν οὕτως.
HE. Οὐκοῦν δὴ καὶ ταῦτα οὐ δυσχεραντέον, ἐπεί- 10
y / » / e ΄σ a / >
περ ἐχει κοινωνίαν ἀλλήλοις ἡ τῶν γενῶν φύσις. εἰ
lal \ - « a cal 3
δέ τις ταῦτα μὴ συγχωρεῖ, πείσας ἡμῶν τοῦς ἔμπρο-
ῇ . / \ \ “
σθεν λογους οὕτω πειθέτω τὰ μετὰ ταῦτα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Δικαιότατα εἴρηκας.
ΞΕ. Ἴδωμεν δὴ καὶ τόδε.
ΘΕΑΙ. To ποῖον ;
— ε , \ Ν᾿ , € y »
ἘΞ. Ozorav τὸ μὴ ov λέγωμεν, ὡς ἔοικεν, οὐκ
3 / 7 a 5) » Do Ὁ /
ἐναντίον TL λέγομεν τοῦ οντος, ἀλλ ἐτερον μόνον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς;
is assumed that the θατέρου
φύσις differentiates each thing
not only from Being in the
abstract, but from every other
existing kind except itself: so
that it is not each in turn.
. ὅσα πέρ -- οὐκ ἔστιν] CF.
Theeet. 171 ἃ (where Protagoras
is put to silence): ὅσῳ πλείους
ois μὴ δοκεῖ ἢ ois δοκεῖ, τοσούτῳ
μᾶλλον οὐκ ἔστιν ἢ ἔστιν.
10. καὶ ταῦτα] “ We must not
quarrel with this, any more
than with the former result.”
καὶ refers to οὐ δυσχεραντέον in
Ῥ. 256 a.
12. meicas—rovs λόγους] The
arguments are half-personi-
fied. For the sentiment, com-
pare Gorg. 472 b; and for
ἡμῶν τοὺς λόγους, SUPY. 239 C:
ἀντιλαμβανόμενος ἡμῶν ἀποστρέ-
ψει τοὺς λόγους.
13. πειθέτω] Se. ἡμᾶς.
By the same means, by
which it is shewn that that-
which-is-not is, the nature of
that-which-is-not is made plain.
Not-Being is not the opposite
of Being, but only other than
Being. This is now further
illustrated. According to the
preceding argument μὴ ὃν must
here include the negation of
Being in the abstract and the
negation of the several kinds
of Being.
/ > \ »”
πέρ ἐστι Ta adda, 5
is Other
than every
remaining
kind, and
as once for
all itself,
but 7s not
times with-
out num-
ber. We
must ac-
cept these
apparent
discrepan-
cies, since
we have as-
serted the
commu-
nion of
kinds. And
whoever
will find
fault with
us, must
first refute
that thesis.
158 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
Ὁ > \ / a
BE. Οἷον ὅταν εἴπωμέν τι μὴ μέγα, τότε μᾶλλόν P- 257.)
/ / κι Ν “Ὁ Ἂς 37 ΄' ΄
τί σοι φαινόμεθα τὸ σμικρὸν ἢ τὸ ἴσον δηλοῦν τῷ
Not-Being, 5
then, or
negative
determina-
tion, is not
contrary to
= a > , > 7 ΄- \ “ ’ὔ
Being, or τῶν ἐπιόντων ὀνομάτων, μᾶλλον δὲ τῶν πραγμάτων Cc
positive \ “ .) ὯΝ / \ > / - ΄“
determina- “περὶ αττ ἂν κέηται Ta ἐπιφθεγγομενα ὕστερον τῆς
tion, but ; τ
only differ- 10 ἀσοφάσεως ὀνόματα.
ent in each ΄ ι =
case froma ΘΈΑΙ. Tavramac: μεν οὖν.
particular [— , \ a a
positive EE. Tode δὲ διανοηθῶμεν, εἰ καὶ σοὶ ξυνδοκεῖ.
determina- \ -
aor OEAI. To ποῖον ;
ῥήματι;
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ πώς;
— > 37 / “ / ’ὔ
ΞΕ. Οὐκ ap’, ἐναντίον ὅταν ἀπόφασις λέγηται
7 r A \ / a
σημαίνειν, συγχωρησόμεθα, τοσοῦτον δὲ μόνον, ὅτι
a y+ / \ \ Ν \ 327) »)
τῶν ἄλλων τι μῆνυει TO μὴ καὶ TO OV προτιθέμενα
2. τῷ ῥήματι] ‘ The expres-
sion.” The word is used with
exactness = the predicate: not
ὀνόματι ΟΥ̓ λόγῳ.
5. ἀπόφασι)] The word oc-
curs only in the Soph., Cra-
tylus, and Apology of Plato;
and in this place signifies not
the negative proposition, but
the negative particle.
7. τῶν ἄλλων τι μηνύει]
Compare Kant, Kritik der cyero γένη, ὅμως δ᾽ ἐπισφραγι-
Reinen Vernunft (Leipzig, σθέντα τῷ τοῦ μᾶλλον καὶ ἐναν- |
1853) page ror. Indefinite τίου γένει, ev ἐφάνη. |
Judgments :—“ Nun habe ich
durch den Satz — die Seele
ist nicht sterblich, zwar der
logischen form nach wirklich
bejaht, indem ich die Seele
in den unbeschrainkten Um-
fang der nicht Sterblichen
Wesen setze. Weil nun von
dem ganzen Umfange mogli-
cher Wesen das _ Sterbliche
einen Theil enthilt, das Nicht
sterbende aber den anderen,
so ist durch meinen Satz nicht
anderes gesagt als dass die
Seele eines von der Unendli-
chem menge Dinge sei, die
librig bleiben wenn ich das
Sterbliche insgesammt weg-
nehme,” τι. 5. w.
The difficulty of conceiving
μὴ ὃν as a γένος is parallel to
that felt in the Philebus about
the ἄπειρον, p. 26 d: καί τοι
πολλά γε Kal TO ἄπειρον παρέ-
8. ὀνομάτων, μᾶλλον δὲ τῶν
mpayparev| The genitives are
governed by τῶν ἄλλων. “The
prefixes od and μὴ point to
something different from the
words which follow them, or
rather from the things which
the words uttered after the
negative import.”
12. Τόδε δὲ διανοηθῶμεν] “ Let
us, now, carry our minds
through this matter.”
᾿ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
EE. Ἢ θατέρου μοι φύσις φαίνεται κατακεκερ-
257.
/ , > ,
ματίσθαι καθάπερ ἐπιστημη.
ΘΕΑΙ. Iles.
, \ ͵
BE. Μία μέν ἐστί που καὶ ἐκείνη, τὸ δ᾽ ἐπί τῳ
/ a o \ »
γιγνόμενον μέρος αὐτῆς ἕκαστον ἀφορισθὲν ἐπωνυ-
/ 3, \ ε a »O/ Χ Ν / >
ἃ μίαν ἰσχει τινὰ ἑαυτῆς ἰδίαν: διὸ πολλαὶ τέχναι τ
εἰσὶ λεγόμεναι καὶ ἐπιστῆμαι.
ry >
. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μ
a la ’
HE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ τὰ τῆς θατέρου φύσεως μορια
a ἂν a
μιᾶς οὔσης ταὐτὸν πέπονθε τοῦτο.
΄’ Co ἊΝ
ΘΕΑΙ. Tay’ ἀν’ ἀλλ᾽ ὅπῃ δὴ λέγωμεν ;
— ͵ = ~ / /
HE. “Hore τῷ καλῷ τι θατέρου μόριον ἀντιτι-
’
θέμενον :
SEAT. Ἔστιν.
— 3 τ 5 7, oe 7 ey 9
EE. Tour’ οὖν ἀνώνυμον ἐροῦμεν ἢ τιν᾽ ἔχον ἐπω-
/
νυμίαν 5
,ὔ ON \ ,
OEHAI. Ἔχον: ὃ yap μὴ καλὸν ἑκάστοτε φθεγ-
7 a 3 y X a / > x “-“
γόμεθα, τοῦτο οὐκ ἄλλου τινὸς ἕτερον ἐστιν ἢ τῆς
A aA ᾽ὔ
τοῦ καλοῦ φύσεως.
EE. Ἴθι νῦν, τόδε μοι λέγε.
ΘΈΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
fj ͵ A
HE. “Addo τι τῶν ὄντων τινὸς ἑνός ] γένους
I. κατακεκερματίσθαι] For a
similar use of this favourite
word, cf. Parm. 144 b: (τὸ ἐν)
κατακεκερμάτισται ἄρα ὡς οἷόντε
σμικρότατα (ἴτ᾽ ἐς σμικρότατα 1)
καὶ μέγιστα καὶ πανταχῶς ὄντα.
4. τὸ δ᾽ ἐπί τῳ γιγνόμενον]
Cf. Rep. 6, 511 ἃ, 6, for this
use of ἐπὶ with the dative.
6. ἑαυτῆς] This is omitted
in one MS. (Par. E.), but is to
be retained. The gender is
πρὸς TO σημαινόμενον, but helped
by τέχναι καὶ ἐπιστῆμαι follow-
ing.
10. ταὐτὸν---τοῦτο] ἐπωνυμίαν
ἰδίαν ἕκαστον ἔχει καὶ πολλά ἐστι.
11. GAN ὅπη δὴ λέγωμεν;]} “But
shall we determine how ?”
The Bodl. has ἀλλοπῃ sin. ace.
22. ἼΑλλο τι---μὴ καλόν] ἑνὸς,
which Hermann retains on the
authority of the Bodleian MS.,
is omitted there as well as in
All. The reasoning seems to
require that the words should
σι
Io
Otherness
or Differ-
ence has
as many
branchesas
Knowledge
has: each
of which is
expressed
by putting
the word
‘not’ be-
fore the
name of
one of the
objects of
knowledge.
Every such
expression
has a real
significance
and de-
notes all
that is dis-
tinguished
from the
object in
question.
160 ITAATOQNOZ
\ / a 3 5 /
ἀφορισθὲν καὶ πρός τι τῶν ὄντων αὖ πάλιν ἀντιτε- p. 257}:
\ o 53 \ /
Bev οὕτω ξυμβέβηκεν εἶναι TO μὴ καλον 5
ΘΈΑΙ. Οὕτως.
EE. “Ovros δὴ πρὸς ὃν [ἡ] ἀντίθεσις, ὡς ἔοικ᾽,
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Ορθότατα.
3 , / Ν Ν /
5 εἶναί {τι συμβαίνει TO μὴ καλόν.
3 a \ / 3 “
BE. Τί οὖν; κατὰ τοῦτον τὸν λόγον apa μᾶλ-
\ Ν Ν δ᾽ κα lad yA - \ Ν
λον μὲν τὸ καλὸν ἡμῖν ἐστὶ τῶν ὄντων, ἧττον δὲ τὸ
μὴ καλόν;
be rendered thus: “ Does not
this constitute the existence of
the Not-Beautiful?” (ἄλλο τι
- οὕτω συμβέβηκεν εἶναι τὸ μὴ
καλόν.) “ 1st, that it is parted
off (ἀφορισθὲν) as belonging to
a certain kind of existences
(τινὸς γένους τῶν ὄντων : for the
gen., cf. Rep. 4, 438 d); 2nd,
that it is set over against
something which exists.” A
simpler rendering of the words
may possibly be right if suffi-
cient stress is laid upon εἶναι.
“The Not-Beautiful, as distin-
guished from a certain kind of
existence, and again as op-
posed to an existing some-
what, has thus an existence of
its own.” But the words αὖ
πάλιν indicate that the τι τῶν
ὄντων is different from the
γένος. The former interpreta-
tion is confirmed by compar-
ing supra 257 ¢ in the cor-
responding partition of know-
ledge: τὸ δ᾽ ἐπί τῳ γιγνόμενον
μέρος αὐτῆς ἕκαστον ἀφορισθέυ----
where ἐπί τῳ γιγνόμενον answers
to the genitive here. Accord-
ing to this rendering, the read-
ing ἑνὸς, although omitted in
the Bodleian MS., is not clearly
wrong.
4. “Ovtos δὴ πρὸς ὃν --- μὴ
καλόν] ἡ is omitted before
ἀντίθεσις in Bodl. AU, and
has been rejected by Stall-
baum and C. F. Hermann: τι
after εἶναι is omitted only in
Flor. c, i, but can hardly be
retained. It was omitted by
Stephanus. If ἡ and τι are
retained, the words must be
construed thus: “Then it re-
sults that the opposition of
the Not-Beautiful” (ἡ ἀντίθεσις,
τὸ μὴ καλὸν, apposition) “is one”
(lit. “something,” τι) “between
being and being.” Omitting
ἡ and τι we should render “ It
results then that the notion
of ‘not-beautiful’ is an oppo-
sition of being to being.”
In the use of ἀντίθεσις here,
as of οὐσία below (p. 258 b),
there is some confusion be-
tween abstract and concrete.
ἀντίθεσις --- cupBaiver] The
Bodl. has ἀντίθεσιν and εἶναί τι.
If ἀντίθεσιν is right, συμβαίνει
is impersonal.
9. μὴ καλόν] Cf. Parm. 160
b: Ti δ᾽ εἴ τις λέγοι, εἰ μέγεθος
μὴ ἔστιν ἢ σμικρότης μὴ ἔστιν
ἤ τι ἄλλο τῶν τοιούτων, ἄρ᾽ ἐφ᾽
ἑκάστου ἂν δηλοῖ ὅτι ἕτερόν τι
λέγει τὸ μὴ ὄν; 1. 6. that the
257.
258.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐδέν.
101
bh ε , oy \ ‘ , κ᾿ \ ΄ NS
EE. Ὁμοίως apa τὸ μὴ μέγα καὶ TO μέγα αὐτὸ
ΩΣ /
εἰναι λεκτέον ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὁμοίως.
— eats \ x \ ͵, a , \
BE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ τὸ μὴ δίκαιον τῷ δικαίῳ κατὰ 5
SX , Χχ \ , A 5 ,
ταὐτὰ θετέον πρὸς TO μηδέν TL μᾶλλον εἶναι θάτερον
θατέρου ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί μήν;
EE. Καὶ τἄλλα δὴ ταύτῃ λέξομεν, ἐπείπερ ἡ θα-
/ , ’ / a 4 3 » 77 \ ay
TEPOU φυσις ἐφάνη τῶν ὄντων οὖσα, ἐκείνης δὲ οὐσης το
» 7 \ τς κ 7 x A \ @ yy
avaykn δὴ καὶ τὰ μόρια αὐτῆς μηδενὸς ἧττον ὄντα
.
τιθέναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πώς yap ov;
ΞΕ). Οὐκοῦν, ὡς ἔοικεν, ἡ τῆς θατέρου μορίου φύ-
Ν ms a δ Ν 2, 3 /
σεως καὶ τῆς τοῦ OVTOS πρὸς ἀλληλα αντικειμένων 15
> J SINNER 3 ΄ 5 a ’ = ey,
ἀντίθεσις οὐδὲν ἧττον, εἰ θέμις εἰπεῖν, αὐτοῦ TOU ὄντος
thing denied (or negatively
predicated) in each case is
different.
2. Ὁμοίως ἄρα] “Then the
not-great must be said to exist
equally with the great.” (αὐτὸ
τὸ μέγα.)
5. τῷ δικαίῳ --- θετέονἸ͵ “ Be
put in the same category with
the just so far as their equally
existing is concerned.” For
the limitation with πρὸς, cf.
Pheedo 75 a: ταὐτὸν yap ἔστιν,
ὦ 3., πρός ye ὃ βούλεται δηλῶσαι
ὁ λόγος.
14. ἡ---ἀντίθεσι.] The order
is ἡ ἀντίθεσις μορίου τῆς θατέρου
φύσεως καὶ (μορίου) τῆς τοῦ ὄντος
The
πρὸς ἄλληλα ἀντικειμένων.
rendering οἵ MHeindorf and
Stallbaum, “oppositio nature
partis alicujus,” is objection-
Y
able, because the expression
θατέρου φύσις has been already
appropriated to the Other in
general. Besides, the argument
does not lead here to the con-
trast of Being and all other
ideas, but to that between ex-
isting things and their nega-
tions. The present is simply
the generalization of the pre-
ceding argument. The mean-
ing is, in other words, that
negation is, equally with affir-
mation, a real determination of
thought.
τό. εἰ θέμις εἰπεῖν]! Another
expression of the awe in which
the idea of Being was held
(on which vid. supra p. 243 ¢) ;
also marking anew the reluc-
tance with which the authority
of Parmenides is impugned.
Thus each
of the parts
of Other
has a real
existence,
and the
opposition
between
the several
parts of
Being and
Other is
also Being.
And such
negative
determina-
tions are
the Not-
Being, of
which we
have been
so long in
search,
Therefore,
as Being
includes all 19 EXOV, ὦ
true deter-
minations
of thought,
Not-Being
is a kind of
Being.
162
IMTAATOQNOZ
> / ᾽ / > > 7, > / / > ‘
ουσια εστιν, οὐκ εναντίον EKELY® σημαινουσα, ἀλλὰ
a / a » /
TOOOUTOV μόνον, €TEPOV εκεινοῦυ.
OEAI. Σαφέστατά γε.
Ee ip: 5 Se (Ἃ 7
ei. 1ἰτἰν οὖν αὐτὴν προσείπωμεν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Δῆλον ὅτι τὸ μὴ ὄν, ὃ διὰ τὸν σοφιστὴν
» al > F353 ΄σ
ἐζητοῦμεν, αὐτὸ ἐστι TOUTO.
mE II / 3 “ 53 y > Ν rad
i τὴς OTEPOV OVY, ὥσπερ ELTTES, ἐστιν οὐδενὸς TOV
» 5 / i} las “ 7
ἄλλων οὐσίας ἐλλειπόμενον, καὶ δεῖ θαρροῦντα ἤδη
/ v4 Ν Wr) 37 Ν « val /
λέγειν ὅτι TO μὴ ὃν βεβαίως ἔστι, THY αὑτοῦ φύσιν
5) “
\ 7΄ὕ 5 ,ὕ N Ν Ν 5 Ν
σπερ TO μέγα ὴν μέγα καὶ TO καλον ἣν καλον
Ν XN \ / * \ 7 % Ν \ \ Ν ΕἾ \
καὶ τὸ μὴ μέγα *{ un μέγα] Ἐ καὶ τὸ μὴ καλὸν “μὴ κα-
/ Me “ \ N Ν \ x‘ ἊΝ 4: 5 Ν
λον)“, οὕτω δὲ καὶ τὸ μὴ ὃν κατὰ ταὐτὸν ἦν τε καὶ
» Ν + > 7 a rn 57 Ἅ) ee
ἐστι μὴ OV, ἐναριθμον τῶν πολλῶν ὄντων Eldos EV;
37 yy Ν » ’ 5 Θ / 5 ’ ay 2
Ἢ τινὰ ETL 7 pos QUTO, ὦ EQITNTE, ATLOTLAV EXOMEV 3
ΘΈΑΙ. Οὐδεμίαν.
8. οὐσίας ἐλλειπόμενον) οὐσίας
is not exactly a genitive of re-
spect, but depends on ἐλλείπ.
in the same construction as
the second genitive in such
expressions aS κλύω σου φώνης
—Oavpato σου τῆς διανοίας.
9. βεβαίως] ““ Incontrover-
tibly.”
ἔστι, τὴν] Edd. ἐστὶ τὴν.
I have changed the accentua-
tion of ἐστι, which does not
seem here to be merely an
auxiliary verb with ἔχον.
ΤΙ, καὶ τὸ μὴ μέγα] The edi-
tors have followed Boeckh in
repeating μὴ μέγα and μὴ καλόν.
This is possibly right, but not
necessary, for the sense is
easily completed by supplying
ἦν, Which is the emphatic word.
12. ἦν τε καὶ ἔστι] He passes
from the ἢν of reference (“ We
found it to be so”) to that of
certainty (“It proves to be
so”). ἔστι is introduced as
more plainly contradicting
Parmenides.
13. ἐνάριθμον --- εἶδος ἕν] CF.
Parm. 160 ¢.
It is to be noticed here that
while the notion of Not-Being
is modified, there is a transi-
tion also in that of Being.
Through communion with Not-
Being, i. e. with the Other or
Difference, both in general and
particular, Beg has become
concrete instead of merely ab-
stract, logical instead of purely
ideal. Being is the sum of
all positive existences, at the
same time having an existence
separate from them (Other
than their’s). Socher observed
this, but had not perceived the
dialectical progress by which
this result is approached.
p- 258
c
258.
d
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
109
ΞΕ. Οἷσθ᾽ οὖν ὅτι Παρμενίδῃ μακροτέρως τῆς We have
ἀπορρήσεως ἠπιστήκαμεν ;
OEAI. Τί δή;
-- “- \ 3 “- 3 va vas e “ > X
mE. Τ] λεῖον ἢ ᾽κεῖνος ἀπεῖπε σκοπεῖν, ἡμεῖς εἰς TO
f 6 3) ᾧ / 5 ὃ / > an
7 poo εν ETL QNTNOQAVTES ATE εἰξαμεν αὐτῷ.
OEAI. [as ;
σ
EE. Ὅτι ὁ μέν πού φησιν,
3 A ’ (πὸ υ) ᾿ la) ™ A at?
ov γὰρ Ky ποτε TOUT tovdaunt εἰναι μή εοντα,
ἀλλὰ σὺ THO ἀφ᾽ ὁδοῦ διζήσιος εἶργε νόημα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγει γὰρ οὖν οὕτως.
μ-ἰ ε lal / » Ud yx \ NGS 97;
mE. Ἥμεϊς δέ ye ov μόνον ws ἔστι τὰ μὴ ὄντα
not only
disobeyed
Parmeni-
des, but
have de-
fined the
Nature of
5 that which
he forbade
us to name,
Theessence
of Not-
Being is
the nega-
tive rela-
tion be-
tween each
existing
kind and
that which
is Other
9 l& \ SD ἃ ΄ 5) SS NTE
ἀπεδείξαμεν, ἀλλὰ Kal TO εἰδος ὃ τυγχάνει OV TOU μὴ *hanit.
ὄντος ἀπεφηνάμεθα: τὴν γὰρ θατέρου φύσιν ἀποδεί-
QL N 7, 5 ΄
ἕαντες ουσαν TE Και κατακεκερματισμέενηὴν ἐπὶ σαντα
Ἂ » δ 27 Ν XN Non σ“ 7
τὰ οντὰα πρὸς aAAANAG, τὸ πρὸς TO OV ἐεκαστον μοριον 15
» “- ΕῚ /, 9 7 » “ «ες 5 \
αὑτῆς ἀντιτιθέμενον ἐτολμήσαμεν εἰπεῖν ὡς αὐτο
a fr» 4 \ Y
TOUTO ἐστιν OVTMS TO fy OV.
GEAI. Kal παντάπασί ye, ὦ Eve, ἀληθέστατά
a ’
μοι δοκοῦμεν εἰρηκέναι.
= N 7 "Ge 3) “ » , an
HE. My τοίνυν ἡμᾶς εἴπῃ τις ὅτι τοὐναντίον TOU 20
I. μακροτέρως τῆς ἀπορρήσεως]
I. 6. ἢ ἀπεῖπεν ἡμῖν.
2. ἠπιστήκαμεν͵] The use of
this word immediately after
ἀπιστία, in a different sense,
deserves to be noted. “We
have carried our disobedience
to Parmenides beyond the let-
ter of his prohibition.”
8. Τοὐδαμῃ 7] I propose to
read τοῦτο φανῇ here, as above,
Ῥ- 237 ἃ, 9. v. διζήμενος occurs
here also as a various reading,
but it does not seem impos-
sible that Plato should choose
Y
to quote the words of Parme-
nides more exactly in one
place than in another.
14. κατακεκερματισμένην | Plato
is fond of this word. For a
parallel use, cf. Parm. 144 ¢.
15. τὸ πρὸς --- ἀντιτιθέμενον |
Join τὸ ὃν ἕκαστον, for which
ef Rep. 5, 480: αὐτὸ ἕκαστον τὸ
ὄν. Cratyl. 389 ὁ: εἰς τὸ ἔργον
ἕκαστον. Compare also τῶν
ὄντων ἑκάστου ὅλου in Theet.
174 ἃ.
20. Μὴ---οὐκ ἔστιν] ‘“ Let no
man, then, say of us that we
9)
a
104
ΠΛΑΤΩΏΝΟΣ
»” \ ‘\ Ἃ » / ΄σ / « ;
ὄντος TO μὴ ὃν ἀποφαινόμενοι τολμῶμεν Eye ὡς p. 458:
ΕΒ ¢ lal \ Ν \ > / \ > ~ /
ἐστιν. NMELS γὰρ πέρι μεν EVAVTLOV τινος αὐτῷ χαι-
’ / Vat ἊΨ "7 / , 5 Ἂ
pew πάλαι λέγομεν, εἰτ᾽ ἐστιν εἰτε μὴ, λόγον EXOV ἢ
Ὗ ΄ oy] A \ cal Sh σῷ 39. \
καὶ παντάπασιν ἄλογον. ὃ δὲ νῦν εἰρήκαμεν εἰναι TO
XN SA Δ iy € > an / 5 [2
5μὴ OV, ἢ πεισάτω τις ὡς οὐ καλῶς λέγομεν ἐλέγξας,
Ἂ , Ἃ 7) lal Ἀ / X= / θά
7) μέχρι TEp αν a VVAT)), EKTEOV και EKELV@D Ka απτερ
ἡμεῖς λεγομεν, ὅτι συμμίγνυταί τε ἀλλήλοις τὰ γένῃ
δ \ / /
καὶ TO τε OV καὶ θάτερον διὰ πάντων καὶ δὲ ἀλλή -
/ XN \ -“ \ lal yy
λων διεληλυθότα τὸ μεν ETEPOY μετασχὸν TOU OVTOS
yy A \\ / Ν / > ‘\ 5 oe oh
IO€GTL μὲν OLA ταυτὴν τὴν μέθεξιν, οὐ μὴν EKELVO YE
-“ » 5 Sac, “ \ a WS wy 4
οὗ μετέσχεν ἀλλ᾽ ἕτερον, ἔτερον δὲ τοῦ ὄντος OV, ἐστι
΄ὕ 5 9 7 5 \ yx. κ ἌΣ >
σαφέστατα ἐξ ἀνάγκης εἶναι μὴ ov’ τὸ δὲ ὃν αὖ
declare Not-Being the contrary
of Being, and dare to affirm
that it exists. We have long
ago shaken hands with the
question of an opposite to
being, whether one exists or
not, and whether this be
capable or wholly incapable of
definition. But for our pre-
sent account of Not-Being, let
a man either refute us and
persuade us that we are in
error, or, so long as he cannot,
he too must say as we Say,
that there is an inter-commu-
nion of the kinds, and that
Being and Difference traverse
all things, and mutually inter-
penetrate, so that the other
partakes of being, and by rea-
son of such participation 1s,
yet is not that of which it
partakes, but an Other: and
being Other than Being, it is
clearly the case, of necessity,
that it is not-Being. While
Being, through partaking of
the Other, must be other than
the remaining kinds, and as
other than all, 7s not each one
of them, and is not all the rest,
but itself only ; so that there
are infinite cases in which
Being again is not, and in like
manner the remaining kinds,
whether taken severally or all
together, in many respects are,
and in many respects are not.”
Cf. Legg. το, 899 ¢: Ἤ διδά-
σκειν ἡμᾶς -- ἢ ἡμῖν πείθεσθαι.
Being is therefore distinguished
from the sum of positive de-
terminations. Compare the
attempt towards the close of
the Theztetus to distinguish
the ἰδέα τῆς συλλαβῆς from the
στοιχεῖα.
2. περὶ μὲν ἐναντίου τινὸς]
As often happens in sentences
begun with περὶ, the syntax is
not quite exact. “ As for an
opposite of Being, we have
long said good-bye to that in-
quiry.”
11. ἔστι σαφέστατα ἐξ ἀνάγκης
εἶνα] These words are re-
peated from 256d. τὸ ἕτερον
is the subject of εἶναι, and (τὸ
P- 259
250.
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
, \ od ΄ » Ἃὃ SA ΄σ
θατέρου μετειληφος ἕτερον τῶν ἄλλων ἂν εἴη γενῶν,
7 > 7 4 ἋΟ » 37) a
ἕτερον δ᾽ ἐκείνων ἁπάντων OV οὐκ ἐστιν ἕκαστον
> an » \ / \ 27 \ > / d Ν
αὐτῶν οὐδὲ ξύμπαντα τὰ ἄλλα πλὴν αὐτὸ, ὥστε τὸ
ey 5 / 3 7 3. Δ / > v
ov ἀναμφισβητήτως αὐ μυρία ἐπὶ μυρίοις οὐκ ἐστι,
5 \ “ σ Ν ,
καὶ τάλλα On καθ᾽ ἕκαστον οὕτω Kal ξύμπαντα TOA- 5
nan \ 57 Lal 327)
λαχῇ μὲν ἐστι, πολλαχῇ δ᾽ οὐκ ἐστιν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αληθῆ.
| ΤΛ Ν , \ a 9 7, 7 >
BE. Kai ταύταις δὴ ταῖς ἐναντιώσεσιν εἴτε ἀπι-
an / > a Ν 7 7 iy τῷ
στεῖ τις, σκεπτέον αὐτῷ καὶ λεκτέον βέλτιον τι τῶν
a ᾽ὔ ͵ Ἷ δ Ἂν Ἂν
νῦν εἰρημένων" εἶτε ὡς τι χαλεπὸν κατανενοηκῶς
\ \ 7 » 7 \
χαίρει τοτὲ μὲν ἐπὶ θάτερα τοτὲ δ᾽ ἐπὶ θάτερα τοὺς
ty) » 3, ‘a “ » /
λόγους ἕλκων, οὐκ ἄξια πολλῆς σπουδῆς ἐσπούδα-
«ε ec a / 7 a \ \ SYA ΄
κεν, ὡς οἱ νῦν λόγοι φασι. τοῦτο μέν γὰρ οὐ τέ τι
Χ Ν Tat 5 ΄σ δ Ν
κομψὸν οὔτε χαλεπὸν εὑρεῖν, ἐκεῖνο δ᾽ ἡδὴ καὶ χαλε-
Ν a Ν 7
TOV ἅμα καὶ καλον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον :;
a / 57 Ν a 7
mE. Ὃ καὶ πρόσθεν εἴρηται, τὸ ταῦτα ἐάσαντα
e \ a / er 3.516 2°
ως δυνατὰ Τοις λεγομένοις οιον Τ εἰναι καθ εκαστον
ἕτερον) εἶναι μὴ ὄν οἵ ἔστιν. The
words ἕτερον τοῦ ὄντος ὅν are ἴῃ
agreement with τὸ ἕτερον.
8. Kai—qaci] “If this ap-
parent contradiction awaken
doubt, let doubt lead to in-
quiry. But if made the occa-
sion of logomachy by men who
delight in working out and
bringing into relief the oppo-
site sides of such antinomies, let
such men learn from the above
argument that it is childish to
mistake the different for the
incompatible.” Mr. Grote ob-
serves that this would be no
unfair description of Plato’s
own procedure in the Parme-
nides. To which it may be
rejoined that, as Mr. Grote
himself points out, the diffi-
culties of the Parmenides are
regarded by their author as a
preparatory exercise, stimu-
lating the mind to further
study, whereas in the case
here supposed the difficulties
are raised for their own sake.
II. τοὺς λόγους ἕλκων] The
picture of men tearing an
argument ‘‘to tatters, to very
rags,’ is one which frequently
occurs. Cf. Phileb. 57 d: τοῖς
δεινοῖς περὶ λόγων ὁλκήν.
14. καὶ χαλεπὸν ἅμα καὶ καλόν]
According to Plato’s favourite
proverb, ὅτι χαλεπὰ τὰ καλά.
18. ὡς δυνατά} Either “as
easily managed” (cf. οὐ χαλεπὸν
supra), or “as possible to be”
Our argu-
ment has
shewn the
worthless-
10 ness of that
easy and
childish
logic which
relies on
the expo-
sure of con-
tradictions,
when com-
pared with
15 that which
is at once
difficult
and valu-
able, the
real criti-
cism of
arguments
according
to their
genuine
meaning.
That ana-
lysis which
makes ab-
solute se-
verance
between
different
forms is at
the oppo-
site pole
from true
philosophy:
for without I
166
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
»Ὰ 7 » » σ΄ “ / ig 3,
ἐλέγχοντ ἐπακολουθεῖν, ὅταν TE τις ἕτερον OV πῇ p. 259}.
δυι 53 ΄-“ \ ao 8' Ἃἃ “Ὁ a > ,
TavTov εἰναι φῇ καὶ ὅταν ταῦτον ὧν ETEpOY, ἐκείνῃ ἃ
Ν bdo) ad [χά / / / Ἀ
καὶ κατ᾽ ἐκεῖνο ὃ φησι τούτων πεπονθέναι πότερον, TO
\ 3. ἂν “ > 7, Cain 7 κ᾿ \ ΄
δὲ ταῦτον ἕτερον ἀποφαίνειν ἁμῇ γέ πῃ καὶ TO θά-
San Ν / \ Ν σ
ὅτερον ταὐτὸν καὶ τὸ μέγα σμικρὸν καὶ τὸ ὅμοιον
5 ΄ / [4 » / Bs /
ἀνόμοιον, καὶ χαίρειν οὕτω TavavTia ἀεὶ προφέροντα
> “- / By , ΕΣ @ > Χ
ἐν τοῖς λογοις, οὐ τέ τις ἐλεγχος οὗτος ἀληθινος
y+ “ 7 \ > / a
ἄρτι TE τῶν ὄντων τινὸς ἐφαπτομένου δῆλος νεογε-
Ν +
νὴς ὧν.
ΘΒΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
—the latter is more probable.
“Tetting these contradictions
alone, as not inconsistent with
the nature of things.” (οὐκ
ἀδύνατα, Par. Εἰ. marg.) In sup-
port of the former (which,
however, is hardly Greek), ef.
Phileb. 14 ἃ : μὴ δεῖν τῶν τοι-
οὕτων ἅπτεσθαι, παιδαριώδη καὶ
ῥάδια καὶ σφόδρα τοῖς λόγοις ἐμ-
πόδια. The word is suspici-
ous, and Badham conj. ἀνήνυτα.
It is more likely that a few
letters have dropt out, e. g.
ταῦτα ἐάσαντα. ὡς δυνατὸν μά-
λιστία.
(18.) οἷον τ᾽ εἶναι ---- πότερον]
“To be able to apply his rea-
son to each particular point in
a discussion, and to bring any
man to the test who says that
what is other in some respect
is the same, or what is the
same is other, by reasoning
with him on that ground and
of that particular relation, in
which he says that either of
these predicates is applicable.”
I. ἐλέγχοντα ἐπακολουθεῖν] Cf.
Rep. 7, 534 6: ὥσπερ ἐν μάχῃ διὰ
πάντων ἐλέγχων διεξιὼν----ἐν πᾶσι
τούτοις ἀπτῶτι τῷ λόγῳ διαπο-
ρεΐηται.
3. κατ᾽ ἐκεῖνο ὅ -- κ. ε. καθ᾽ 6]
The want of this power is
again noted as the defect of
ἀντιλογική ἴῃ Rep. 5, 454 6.
This passage has been curi-
ously mistranslated by Hegel:
Geschichte der Phil. p. 210.
See Introduction to Sophist,
sub finem.
7. οὔ τέ τις ---- νεογενὴς ὧν]
“ This is no real exercise of
reason, but on the face of it
the childish offspring of one
who has but a recent ac-
quaintance with the true ob-
jects of thought.” Cf. Rep. 7,
539 b: of μειρακίσκοι, ὅταν τὸ
πρῶτον λόγων γεύωνται, ὡς παιδιᾷ
αὐτοῖς καταχρῶνται, ἀεὶ εἰς ἀντι-
λογίαν χρώμενοι, καὶ μιμούμενοι
τοὺς ἐξελέγχοντας αὐτοὶ ἄλλους
ἐξελέγχουσι, χαίροντες ὥσπερ σκυ-
λάκια τῷ ἕλκειν τε καὶ σπαράττειν
τὸν πλήσιον ἀεί.
8. veoyevns| Cf. Thezt. 160
€: τοῦτο φῶμεν σὸν εἶναι οἷον
νεογενὲς παίδιον. Perhaps veo-
γενὴς has here the meaning
(which Hegel gives it) = νέου
γέννημα. (Cf. Shakspeare’s
“the baby of a girl”) See
the unusual meaning given to
νυμφευτὴς in Polit. 268 a.
. 250.
. 260,
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
107
μ--ὶ ΄ 5 7 t - Ὧν ἮΝ ν
SE. Καὶ γάρ, ὦ ᾽γαθέ, τὸ γε πᾶν ἀπὸ παντὸς
᾽ ων » / 57 » 3 \ Ν δὴ
ἐπιχειρεῖν ἀποχωρίζειν ἄλλως τε οὐκ ἐμμελὲες καὶ δὴ
Ν ’ > / Ν Ne /
καὶ παντάπασιν ἀμουσοῦυ τινος και ἀφιλοσοφου.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τί δή;
* commu;
nion of
kinds”
there can
be no dis-
course,
i ΄, ,ὕ , ’ N ’ , Ν
HE. Τελεωτάτη πάντων λόγων ἐστὶν ἀφανισις τὸ 5
΄ “ \ , \ Ν Χ > (
διαλύειν ἕκαστον ἀπὸ παντων᾽ διὰ γὰρ τὴν ἀλλήλων
an ΕἸ lal \ e / / « an
τῶν εἰδῶν συμπλοκὴν ὃ λόγος γέγονεν ημίν.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αληθῆ.
Lor! , / e ᾽ ta a \ a
HE. Σκόπει τοίνυν ὡς ἐν καιρῷ νῦν On τοῖς τοι-
/ 7 4& rc Ὡ“
οὕτοις διεμαχόμεθα καὶ προσηναγκαζομεν ἐᾷν ἕτερον
πα /
ἑτέρῳ μίγνυσθαι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πρὸς δὴ τί;
\ \ \ ΄ SS “ 27 a
mE. Πρὸς τὸ τὸν Aoyov ἡμῖν τῶν ὀντων ἕν τι
a 53 / \ / Ν Ν ’
γενῶν εἰναι. τούτου γὰρ στερηθέντες τὸ μέν μεγι-
2. ἐπιχειρεῖν] “To go about
to separate.’ The word is
redundant, as often in Plato:
ewes supra 2395 e. Pheedr.
265 e.
3. ἀμούσου τινός] Because
μουσική is conversant with λό-
you. Cf. Theet. 156 a.
5. Τελεωτάτη---πάντων] This
truth is the key to the present
dialogue,and gives unity to what
seems unconnected. The chief
characteristic of the Sophist is
ἀντιλογική, an art of negation ;
and even the Elenchus, as pro-
fessed by him, has the defect
of being purely negative, and
is valuable only in clearing the
way for positive speculation.
It is by means of this contro-
versial or negative dialectic
that the Sophist eludes us
when we try to fix upon him
the reproach of being a pre-
tender. And Parmenides has
given occasion for this kind of
reasoning, by drawing the line
so sharply between being and
not-being. Of the same nature
was the difficulty we encoun-
tered in considering the ex-
clusive antithesis of rest and
motion. This whole class of
difficulties is solved when we
perceive that positive and ne-
gative are indissolubly united
in the nature of things: and
in particular we are enabled to
transfix the Sophist by proving
to him that negation is applic-
able to thought and speech.
9. τοῖς τοιούτοις] Se.
μηδὲν ἐῶσιν κοινωνίᾳ παθήματος
ἑτέρου θάτερον προσαγορεύειν,
P. 252 ¢.
14. τούτου yap στερηθέντες]
“ For if compelled to relinquish
this, the greatest evil would be
that we must give up philo-
sophy ; but besides this, at
this moment we are required
to agree upon a definition of
τοῖς
Ιο
IML Gb
And at the
present
juncture
we find the
conveni-
ence of
having es-
tablished
this com-
munion, for
our next
business
168
IAATONOS
ΕΥ rn , , , r y
στον φιλοσοφίας av στερηθεῖμεν, ἔτι δ᾽ ἐν τῷ πα- p. 26ς
ὄντι δεῖν Adyou ἡπιβουδιομολογήσασ ας ἘΣ
ρ VTL O€L Oyov μας (ομο ογῆσασ αι Tl TOT €OTLY,
> \ > /, ᾽ \ > 53 Ν ΄ 5Ὸλ
εἰ δε ἀφηρέθημεν αὐτὸ μηδ᾽ εἶναι τὸ παράπαν, οὐδὲν
xX 7 7 “Δ... > 5 » / > JA
av ἐτι Tov λέγειν οἷοι T ἦμεν. ἀφῃρέθημεν δ᾽ ἂν,
is to define 5 εἰ συνεχωρήσαμεν μηδεμίαν εἶναι μίξιν μηδενὶ πρὸς
Discourse,
whereas if
forms were
incommu-
nicable, we
should not
have been
able to
discourse
at all.
The reason
why this
is neces-
sary is that
the Sophist
has yet an-
other hold
onus. He
may assert
that Not-
Being can-
not enter
into Dis-
course.
μηδέν.
OEAI. Ὀρθῶς τοῦτό γε. λόγον δὲ OC ὅ τι νῦν
διομολογητέον οὐκ ἔμαθον.
5 a Gt en AN ΄
EE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ἴσως τῇδ᾽ ἑπόμενος ῥᾷστ᾽ ἂν μάθοις.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῇ:
SE. To μὲν δὴ μὴ ὃν ἡμῖν ἕν τι τῶν ἄλλων γένος
“δ > , \ De ἊΣ /
ov ἀνεφάνη, κατὰ πάντα τὰ ὄντα διεσπαρμένον.
SEAI. Οὕτως.
καὶ > a \ \ a / ,
=H. Οὐκοῦν τὸ μετὰ τοῦτο σκεπτέον εἰ δοξῃ τε
ι
Ν / /
15 Kal λογῳ μίγνυται.
OEAI. Ti dy:
ἘΠῚ Μὴ / \ > “ 4 5 r
i. Min μιγνυμένου μὲν αὑτοῦ TOUTOLS ἀναγκαῖον
ἀληθῆ πάντ᾽ εἶναι, μιγνυμένου δὲ δόξα τε ψευδὴς
[ Ν ΄ : \ \ A Ness, ΄ Xx
γίγνεται καὶ Aoyos’ τὸ yap Ta μὴ οντὰ δοξάζειν ἢ
λόγοις γιγνόμενον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὕτως.
΄ σ᾽ ὦ Ὁ , \ A > , N
20 λέγειν, TOUT ἐστί που TO ψεῦδος, ἐν διανοίᾳ TE καὶ
EE. Ὄντος δέ γε ψεύδους ἐστιν ἀπάτη.
Discourse, whereas, if the very
existence of discourse were
utterly taken from us, I pre-
sume we could not then dis-
course at all” (much less dis-
course upon Discourse).
11. To μὲν δὴ----ἀνεφάνη] Viz.
The application of the notion
of Other to those things from
which Being, or any part of
Being, is distinguished.
12. διεσπαρμένον] Supr. 255
ewan ac:
14. εἰ----μίγνυται)] The way
is now prepared for the con-
tinuation of the argument
which was dropped p. 236 e.
18. δόξα τε ψευδὴς γίγνεται καὶ
λόγος] See, in addition to
passages elsewhere cited, Cra-
tyl. 385-387, 429, 436.
20. ἐν διανοίᾳ ---- γιγνόμενον]
“ Which thus arises in the re-
gion of thought and speech.”
—
J
16)
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 169
In other
words :
Negation
is possible,
but False-
hood is not.
260. OEAI. Ναί
μ-ὶ \ ᾽ Ses.
BE. Kat μὴν ἀπάτης οὔσης εἰδώλων τε καὶ εἰκό-
7 4 7 XN 3
vov ἤδη Kal φαντασίας πάντα ἀνάγκη μεστὰ εἶναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γὰρ ov;
EE. Τὸν δὲ σοφιστὴν ἔφαμεν ἐν τούτῳ που τῷ
σι
Ld / / yy, δὲ / \
ἃ τόπῳ καταπεφευγέναι μέν, ἔξαρνον δὲ γεγονέναι τὸ
,ὔ > 3 aA \ A Δ ἢ 27
παράπαν μηδ᾽ εἶναι ψεῦδος" τὸ γὰρ μὴ ὃν οὔτε δια-
“ ’ δ [4 = > 7 Ν 5 \ 5 lad
νοείσθαί τινα οὔτε λέγειν᾽ οὐσίας yap οὐδὲν οὐδαμῇ
\ XN oN /
_ Τὸ μὴ ὃν μετέχειν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἢν ταῦτα. 1ο
= a / a \ 7 , ny
&E. Nov δέ ye τοῦτο μὲν ἐφάνη μετέχον τοῦ ὄντος,
od / \ 7 2 ἊΟ , 32) ᾽’ὔ 5.ϑ ἃ
ὥστε ταύτῃ μὲν ἴσως οὐκ ἂν μάχοιτο ETL’ τάχα O ἂν
/ fad “ Ν \ / a Ἂς »S \
φαίη τῶν εἰδῶν τὰ μὲν μετέχειν τοῦ μὴ ὄντος, τὰ δ᾽
yf Ν / \ Ν , 53 a » 77
οὔ, καὶ λόγον δὴ καὶ δόξαν εἶναι τῶν οὐ μετεχόντων.
fod X\ 9 wo N Q / 3 ὩΣ \
ὥστε τὴν εἰδωλοποιίκην καὶ φανταστικὴν, εν ἢ φαμεν
"
σι
SEN 5) ᾽ὔ 4. τον ? e , >
αὑτὸν εἶναι, διαμάχοιτ av πάλιν ὡς παντάπασιν οὐκ
yf 3 Χ “ νΝ lA 5 a lal NiO
ἔστιν, ἐπειδὴ δόξα καὶ λόγος οὐ κοινωνεῖ τοῦ μὴ OV-
Ε A \ A ΄ > 5 , τ
τος Ψεῦδος γὰρ τὸ παράπαν οὐκ εἶναι ταύτης μὴ
Hence
Ξ ς γ - , ΄ Pa there arises
πρῶτον καὶ δόξαν καὶ φαντασίαν διερευνητέον ὅ τί 20 the neces-
if > / \ a? 3 7,
συνισταμένης τῆς κοινωνίας. Ola ταῦτ οὖν λόγον
ΟΣ ὍΣ o ΄, Noy fate , a sity of ex-
TOT €OTLY, LWA φανέντων και Τὴν KOLV@VLAVY QAUT@Y = amining
a Ni oy ὃ 56 δὲ ᾿ 58 x speech,
τῷ μὴ OVTL κατίδωμεν, KATLOOVTES OE TO ev OS OV opinion,
3. πάντα---μεστὰ εἶναι] Cf.
Thest. 170 ὁ: καὶ πάντα που
μεστὰ τἀνθρώπινα ζητούντων δι-
δασκάλους τε καὶ ἄρχοντας αὑτῶν
ἘΝ (ὑπῆν: 411 Ὁ,
6. ἔξαρνον δὲ γεγονέναι] ῬΡ.
239-241.
ΤΡ. φανταστικήν] Distinguish-
ed from εἰκαστική, the other
species of εἰδωλοποιϊκή, supr.
p- 236 c.
τό. πάλιν] I.e. As before in
the case of μὴ ὄν.
18. μὴ συνισταμένης |
The
communion is said to unite,
instead of the elements unit-
ing in communion, just as 7
μάχη συνίσταται is put for οἱ
μαχόμενοι συνίστανται εἰς μάχην.
20. δόξαν καὶ φαντασίαν] This
distinction is in advance of the
psychology of the Theztetus.
21. tva—xaridoper] “ That
when we have found them, we
may also observe their com-
munion with Not-Being.”
22. τὸ Ψεῦδος dv] “ That
falsehood exists.”
and imagi-
nation, that
we may see
whether
or no they
partake of
Not-Being.
The So-
phist ap-
pears likely
to prove
a very
Sphinx,
proposing
to us one
riddle after
another.
But we
must not
lose heart ;
and, after
all, his
chief for-
tress is
already
taken.
170
ἀποδεΐξωμεν, ἀποδείξαντες δὲ Tov σοφιστὴν εἰς αὐτὸ p. 261}
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
> ’ y+ ” / > ΕΝ Ce) / >
ἐνδήσωμεν, εἴπερ ἔνοχός ἐστιν, ἢ καὶ ἀπολύσαντες EV
ἄλλῳ γένει ζητῶμεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Κομιδῇ δέ γε, ὦ ξένε, ἔοικεν ἀληθὲς εἶναι
Ἂν Ν Ν \ 51,3 Ν / vA /
5TO περὶ τὸν σοφιστὴν κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς λεχθέν, OTL δυσθη-
ΕΜ Ν 4 ‘ 3 ΄
ρευτον εἰὴ TO γενος. φαίνεται γὰρ οὖν προβλημάτων
/ Ὁ ’ὔ’ 7, a /
γέμειν. ὧν ἐπειδάν TL προβάλῃ, τοῦτο πρότερον ava-
a / \ »., 5 ἄν 3. 8A > 7,
γκαῖον διαμάχεσθαι πρὶν ἐπ᾽ αὐτὸν ἐκεῖνον ἀφικέσθαι.
A \ / \ Ν Ἂ, Ὁ « Ε 32) \
νῦν yap μόγις μὲν TO μὴ ὃν ὡς οὐκ ἐστι προβληθεν
το διιπεράσαμεν, ἕτερον δὲ προβέβληται, καὶ δεῖ δὴ ψεῦ-
2 / ΄
δος ὡς ἔστι καὶ περὶ λόγον καὶ περὶ δόξαν ἀποδεῖξαι,
Ν \ SA σ΄ Ἂς: 9.59. SY Lear - Ε
καὶ μετὰ τοῦτο LOWS ETEPOV, Καὶ ET ἀλλο μετ EKELVO
Ν / « yy 5 \ / /
Kal πέρας, ὡς ἔοικεν, οὐδὲν φανήσεται ποτε.
΄ 5 A
ΣΏ. Θαρρεῖν, ὦ Θεαίτητε, χρὴ Tov καὶ σμικρὸν τι
’, ς \ , Ch oN of 4 \ “ Ἢ
15 δυνάμενον εἰς τὸ πρόσθεν ἀεὶ προϊέναι. τί γὰρ ὃ Y
5 a 3 7 ΕΝ 5 y x \ 3
ἀθυμῶν ἐν τούτοις δρασειεν ἂν ἐν ἄλλοις, ἢ μηδὲν ἐν
5 7 » / X Ν ’ 3 27 5 /
ἐκείνοις ἀνύτων ἢ Kal πάλιν εἰς τούπισθεν ἀπωσθεὶς ;
rn Ν A \ 7 σ “-
σχολῇ που, τὸ κατὰ τὴν παροιμίαν λεγόμενον, ὃ γε
I. αὐτὸ] τὸ ψεῦδος.
2. εἴπερ ἔνοχός ἐστιν] “If he
is liable to be held therein.”
The word, without losing the
legal association, recovers the
original metaphorical — sense.
Cf. πρόχειρον, Theet. τοῦ ἃ,
and note. The same remark
applies to ἀπολύσαντες, “ freeing
him” (at once acquitting and
liberating).
5. kar ἀρχὰς] 218 0, 223 Ὁ,
226 a.
6. προβλημάτων γέμει"] Cf.
Theet. 161 a: οἴει pe λόγων
τινα εἶναι θύλακον καὶ ῥᾳδίως
ἐξελόντα ἐρεῖν ὡς οὐκ αὖ ἔχει
οὕτω ταῦτα.
7. προβάλῃ!β͵Ἵ Referring to
προβλημάτων, Which partly re-
tains the etymological sense.
προβάλλειν is here to throw in
front as a screen or defence.
Cf. Polit. 279 d.
8. διαμάχεσθαι) “To fight
through.” διὰ retaining the
original meaning.
10. προβέβληται] The perf.
pass. is perhaps used here with
middle signification, = “ has
thrown before him ;” but the
word is more probably to be
taken passively: = “ Another
problem is set.”
12. ἴσως ἕτερον] Se. δεήσει
προβληθὲν διαπερᾶσαι.
16. ἐν τούτοις] Se. ἐν οἷς πρό-
εἰσιν.
ἐν ἐκείνοι] Se. τοῖς ἄλλοις.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ. 171
. 26ιτ. τοιοῦτος av ποτε ἕλοι πόλιν. νῦν δ᾽ ἐπεί, ὦ yale,
© χρῦτο ὃ λέγεις διαπεπέρανται, τό τοι μέγιστον ἡμῖν
τεῖχος ἡρημένον ἂν εἴη, τὰ O ἄλλα ἤδη paw καὶ
σμικρότερα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καλῶς εἶπες. 5
ΣῈ. Λόγον δὴ πρῶτον καὶ δύξαν, καθάπερ ἐρρήθη
νῦν δή, λάβωμεν, ἵν ἐναργέστερον ξἀπολογισώμεθαξ,
πότερον αὐτῶν ἅπτεται τὸ μὴ ὃν ἢ παντάπασιν
ἀληθῆ μέν ἐστιν ἀμφότερα ταῦτα, ψεῦδος δὲ οὐδέ-
> 7
ποτε οὐδέτερον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὀρθώς.
Io
, , \ a a N a
HE. Φέρε δή, καθάπερ ἐπὶ τῶν εἰδῶν καὶ TOV oe Ee
»ὲ : i : step mus
γραμμάτων ἐλέγομεν, περὶ τῶν ὀνομάτων πάλιν be to ask
the same
, / , ΄ 7, :
ὡσαύτως ἐπισκεψώμεθα. φαίνεται yap πῃ ταύτῃ question
\ ᾿ , about
TO νῦν ζητούμενον. 15 words
\ Ξ 3 \ Ae eg) , c which we
GEAI. To ποῖον οὖν dn περὶ τῶν ὀνομάτων ὑπα- have al-
/ ready an-
KOUVOTEOYV 5 swered
, , , , yo about the
ΣΕ. Hire πάντα ἀλλήλοις ξυναρμόττει εἴτε μη- letters of
Sas εἶ Ne ἫΝ 9 ΄, εν the alpha-
ey’ εἶτε τὰ μέν ἐθέλει, τὰ δὲ μη. ΤΡ ΕΠ τς
a cyl? 7 \ \ nf \ 4 kinds of
GEAI. Δῆλον τοῦτο ye, ὅτι τὰ μεν ἔθελει, τὰ δ᾽ OV. 20 Being ;
3. ἡρημένον] This use of the
pf pass. of αἱρέω sufficiently
confirms the MS. reading ἡρῆ-
σθαι in Phileb. 66 "ἢ. The
metaphor is suggested by
σχολῇ----ἔλοι πόλιν above.
7. νῦν δή] So also the Bodl.
MS. (not δέ).
*darrohoyto@peba*| MSS. ἀπο-
λογησώμεθα. If the MS. read-
ing were right, the following
clauses would depend on λάβω-
μεν, and there would be a con-
tinuation of the metaphor from
supr. 254 d: ἀθῴοις ἀπαλλάτ-
τειν. Cf. Lege. το, 886 e. But
the correction of Heindorf,
received by Bekker and suc-
ceeding editors, appears so
exactly suited to the context,
that it is here retained. “ That
we may reckon or infer more
clearly.” “That we may have
better data for determining.”
ἀπο aS ἴῃ ἀπεικάζειν, ἀπομαντεύ-
εσθαι.
14. φαίνεται γάρ πῃ ταύτῃ]
Because words are the ele-
ments of speech, as letters
are of syllables, and ideas of
thought.
τό. Τὸ ποῖον --- ὑπακουστέον]
“What question must I an-
swer about names ?”
Z 2
To what
extent do
they admit
ofcombina-
tion ?
Some com-
binations
of words
are signifi-
cant, and
some are
not.
For, as
there are
two chief
parts of
speech :
the verb,
which sig-
nifies ac-
tion, and
the noun,
which de-
notes the
agent,
neither
verbs with-
out nouns
nor nouns
without
verbs can
be strung
together so
as to mean
anything.
172
ITAATQNOZ
FE. To τοιόνδε λέγεις ἴσως, ὅτι τὰ μὲν ἐφεξῆς p. 261.
, ΄ / / \ \ “Ὁ
λεγόμενα καὶ δηλοῦντά τι ξυναρμόττει, τὰ δὲ THe
συνεχείᾳ μηδὲν σημαίνοντα ἀναρμοστεῖ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς τί τοῦτ᾽ εἶπες ;
EE. Ὅπερ φήθην ὑπολαβόντα σε προσομολο-
γεῖν. ἔστι γὰρ ἡμῖν που τῶν τῇ φωνῇ περὶ τὴν οὐ-
σίαν δηλωμάτων διττὸν γένος.
OEAI. Ilas;
EE. To μὲν ὀνόματα, τὸ δὲ ῥήματα κληθέν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Εἰπὲ ἑκάτερον.
EE. Τὸ μὲν ἐπὶ ταῖς πράξεσιν ov δήλωμα ῥῆμά
που λέγομεν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
Χ ΄ 5 5 a Picasa
HE. To δέ γ᾽ er αὖ τοῖς ἐκεῖνα πράττουσι on-
/ 57 \ / > 5
λεγομένων οὐκ ἐστι ποτὲ λόγος, οὐδ᾽ αὖ
15 μεῖον τῆς φωνῆς ἐπιτεθὲν ὄνομα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
= > aA > 3 ΄ \ ,
BE. Οὐκοῦν ἐξ ὀνομάτων μὲν μόνων
συνεχῶς
ῥημάτων
χωρὶς ὀνομάτων λεχθέντων.
OEAI. Ταῦτ᾽ οὐκ ἔμαθον.
H&E. Δῆλον γὰρ ὡς πρὸς ἕτερόν τι βλέπων ἄρτι
9. Τὸ μὲν ὀνόματα, τὸ δὲ ῥή-
ματα κληθέν]ἠ The distinction
of noun and verb is here in-
troduced as something wholly
new. Note that ὄνομα is used
first Im a generic and after-
wards in a specific meaning:
first for “ word” (supr. d) and
then for “ noun.”
II. TO pev—dvopa] “ The
one, which is an expression
standing for actions, we call a
verb : the other, which is an ar-
ticulate mark set on those who
do the actions, we call a noun.”
14. ἐκεῖνα]. The Bodl. MS.
has ἐκείνας (sc. ras πράξεις).
18. ῥημάτων͵]ἢ The genitive
is governed by ἐξ in the pre-
ceding line.
21. Δῆλον γὰρ] “ You must
surely have had something
different in your eye when you
agreed with me. For this is
the very thing I meant in say-
ing that these things (nouns
or verbs) merely strung to-
gether in this way do not
make language.”
p- 2628
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
178
/ A Ν , - “
. 262. ξυνωμολόγεις" ἐπεὶ τοῦτ᾽ αὐτὸ ἐβουλόμην εἰπεῖν, ὅτι
A τ / a > 3) 7,
συνεχως ὧδε λεγόμενα ταῦτα οὐκ ἐστι λογος.
OEAI. [las ;
RE. Οἷον, βαδίζει τρέχει καθεύδει, καὶ τάλλα ὅσα
᾽ὔ 7 «" A 4 3 la) »
πράξεις σημαίνει ῥήματα, κἂν πάντα τις ἐφεξῆς αὖτ
’ iz a 7
εἴπη, λόγον οὐδέν TL μᾶλλον ἀπεργάζεται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γάρ;
SE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ πάλιν ὅταν λέγηται, λέων ἔλα-
σ Ψ » [, a A ΄ὕ 3
bos “T7TOS, OOH TE OVOULATA τῶν TAS πράξεις av
7 > 7 \ \ ’ XN ἈΝ
πραττόντων ὠνομάσθη, καὶ κατὰ ταύτην δὴ τὴν
7 > / 4 / s > 7 \
συνέχειαν οὐδείς πω ζυνέστη λόγος" οὐδεμίαν yap
yf 2 sy? 5 / ΄σ In? > / > \
οὔτε οὕτως OUT ἐκείνως πρᾶξιν οὐδ᾽ ampakiav οὐδὲ
yy? 5 5. Χ Χ y+ o \ 7
οὐσίαν ὄντος οὐδὲ μὴ ὄντος δηλοῖ Ta φωνηθέντα,
3, lod 4 A CL 7
πρὶν av τις τοῖς ὀνόμασι τὰ ῥήματα κεράσῃ᾽ τότε
3 χὰ ΄ Ν ΄ 5 / 3 \ «ς Δ
δ᾽ ἡρμοσέ τε καὶ λόγος ἐγένετο εὐθὺς ἡ πρώτη συμ-
7 XN an , a
πλοκή, σχεδὸν τῶν λόγων ὁ πρῶτος καὶ σμικρό-
Τατος.
2. ταῦτα] Sc. ὀνόματα καὶ
ῥήματα.
5. avr] So the Bodl. MS.,
with ATI. cett. αὖτ᾽.
6. ἀπεργάζεται͵)]͵ The subject
is not τις, but τὰ ῥήματα.
9. ὀνόματα----ὠνομάσθη] Here
also the cogn. accus. becomes
the nominative to the passive
verb.
10. καὶ κατὰ ταύτην --- λόγος]
“No sentence is constructed
by this concatenation any more
that by the former one.”
13. οὐσίαν---μὴ ὄντος] It has
been above shewn that this is
the meaning of every negative
proposition.
15. ἥρμοσε] Se. τὰ φωνηθέντα.
“The elements of speech com-
bine.” The verb is used in a
neuter sense, as below.
ἥρμασέ τε καὶ --- ἐγένετο] For
the aorists cf. Theet. 156 e,
and note. And for the whole
expression, cf. Phileb.47d: μίξις
μία λύπης τε Kal ἡδονῆς ξυμπίπτει
γενομένη.
ἡ πρώτη συμπλοκή! “ The
simplest combination.” In
Theet. 202 it was suggested
that words taken singly had
no signification, but only when
combined. Here the condi-
tions necessary to this combi-
nation are further shewn. It
seems to be implied here that
falsity is only in propositions,
TO ψεῦδος ἐν συνθέσει ἀεὶ, as
Aristotle says (de An. IIT. 6,
§ 2). This was not seen in
Crat. 385 d: Ἔστιν ἄρα ὄνομα
ψεῦδος καὶ ἀληθὲς λέγειν, εἴπερ
καὶ λόγον.
-
Ὁ
The most
elementary
sentence
must con-
TO tain at
least one
of each
kind. And
the sim-
plest com-
bination of
a noun and
verb, such
as “ Man
15 Jearns,” is
at once sig-
nificant,
and this
174 ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
A 7 @
may be ΘΕΑΙ. Ilos ap ὧδε λέγεις ἢ
taken as a pa ΡῈ 5 or , y
type of lan- BE. Ὅταν εἴπῃ τις ἄνθρωπος μανθάνει, λόγον
guage In 3 \ an / / ~
the most εἰναι Sys τοῦτον ἐλάχιστον TE καὶ πρῶτον ;
rudimen- τ
tary form. OEAI. Eyoye.
It is there- ἘΞ “νὸν ” , Ἢ a eh >
fore true 5 &E. Δηλοῖ yap ἤδὴ που τότε περὶ τῶν ὄντων ἢ
that of , 5! , x , Ν » >
words,as γίγνομενων ἢ γεγονότων ἢ μελλόντων, καὶ οὐκ OVO-
of letters ΄ , 5». ΄ / ΄ὔ ᾿Εν
andsounds, μάζέι μόνον, ἀλλά τι περαίνει, συμπλέκων τὰ ρήματα
only cer- ma DL \ ,ὕ nm 9 4 >
taincom. Τοῖς ὀνόμασι. διὸ λέγειν TE αὑτὸν ἀλλ᾽ οὐ μόνον OVO-
binations ΄ " \ δὲ \ a , , κ᾿
ἐπα προ τις μάζειν εἴπομεν, καὶ δὴ καὶ τῷ πλέγματι τούτῷ TO
sible.
Every such 1°
ὄνομα ἐφθεγξάμεθα λόγον.
ene OEAI. ᾿Ορθώς.
a \ ΄ κ , κ
Me HE. Οὕτω δὴ καθάπερ Ta πράγματα τὰ μὲν ἀλ-
, 4 \ ᾽ yf \ Ν \ a “ 53
λήλοις ἥρμοττε, τὰ δ᾽ οὔ, καὶ περὶ τὰ τῆς φωνῆς αὖ
΄σ \ \ / A \\ , lal
σημεῖα τὰ μὲν οὐχ ἄρμόττει, TA δὲ ἁρμόττοντα αὐτῶν
“2
15 λόγον ἀπειργάσατο.
Sono ae:
OEAI. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
Y ,
Moreover, BE. Ἔτι δὴ σμικρὸν τοδε.
every -
proposi- ΘΕΑΙ. To ποῖον ;
tion, even ; Ε a x =
the sim- EE. Λόγον ἀναγκαῖον, ὅταν περ ἢ; Twos εἶναι
plest, has x ,
asubject, 20AOyOV, μὴ δέ τινος ἀδύνατον.
and is of a Ἂ
certain ΘΈΑΙ. Οὕτως.
quality.
> rn Ν NN 3 a
EE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ ποιὸν τινα αὐτὸν εἶναι δεῖ ;
1. ὧδε The adverb is used,
instead of τοῦτο, by a sort of
attraction from πῶς.
4. ἀλλά τι περαίνει)]ξ. “ But
effects or determines some-
thing.” Cf. Thet. 180a: πε-
paveis δὲ οὐδέ ποτε οὐδὲν πρὸς
οὐδένα αὐτῶν.
9. τῷ πλέγματι] The same
metaphor is applied in the
Politicus to the practical com-
binations of the Statesman.
13. τὰ τῆς φωνῆς σημεῖα] “The
vocal marks on things,” i. 6.
words. περὶ -- “ἴῃ the region
of,” 1. 6. “ amongst.”
17. σμικρὸν τόδε] Se. ἴδωμεν or
λάβωμεν. Cf. Polit. 300 a: τί
δὲ τόδε: Compare the similar
ellipse with ὧδε in Τ Θεοῦ. 191 ¢:
ἀλλ᾽ ὧδε.
19. τινὸς εἶναι λόγον] “ Must
have a subject.” Cf. Thezt.
160 a: ᾿Ανάγκη δέ ye ἐμέ τε τινὸς
γίγνεσθαι, ὅταν αἰσθανόμενος γί-
γνωμαι. αἰσθανόμενον γάρ, μηδενὸς
δὲ αἰσθανόμενον ἀδύνατον γίγνεσθαι"
ἐκεῖνό τε τινὶ γίγνεσθαι K.T.A.
p- 264};
. 2626
b
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
BEAT Προς δ᾽ οὗ;
y \ \ an (yr ΄
BE. Προσέχωμεν δὴ τὸν νοῦν ἡμῖν αὐτοῖς.
ΘΕΙΑΙ. Δεῖ γοῦν.
/ 5
BE. Λέξω τοίνυν σοι λόγον, συνθεὶς πρᾶγμα
Le δὲ ὁ , WOW ἐ oe δ᾽ x 5 Xo
πράξει OL OVOMATOS καὶ ρηματος᾽ OTOV av o Aoyos 5
ἢ, σύ μοι φράζειν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ταῦτ᾽ ἔσται κατὰ δύναμιν.
HE. Θεαίτητος κάθηται. μῶν μὴ μακρὸς ὁ λόγος;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὐκ, ἀλλὰ μέτριος.
ΞΕ. Σὸν ἔργον δὴ φράζειν περὶ οὗ τ᾽ ἐστὶ καὶ ιο
o
OTOU.
ΘΕΑΙ. Δῆλον ὅτι περὶ ἐμοῦ τε Kal ἐμός.
ΞΕ. Ti δὲ ὅδ᾽ αὖ:
OEAI. Ποῦς ;
Ὄ fa) \ , 7
HE. Θεαίτητος, ᾧ viv ἐγὼ διαλέγομαι, πέτεται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ τοῦτον οὐδ᾽ ἂν εἷς ἄλλως εἴποι πλὴν
gt ἡ » 95 Ν S 2 a
€MOV Τ ELVAL Και περι ἐμου.
ἊΝ / / vad 9
HE. Ποιὸν δέ ye τινά φαμεν ἀναγκαῖον ἕκαστον
53 an 7
εἰναι τῶν λογων.
ΘΕΑΙ. Nai.
eS y? Ν al /p “-
H&E. Τούτων δὴ ποῖον τινα ἑκάτερον φατέον εἶναι:
2. Προσέχωμεν --- αὐτοῖς] Cf.
supra 233 d: καί μοι προσέχων
τὸν νοῦν εὖ μάλα ἀποκρίνου.
4. πρᾶγμα --- ῥήματος]. The
ὄνομα standing for the πρᾶγμα
and the ῥῆμα for the πρᾶξις,
ut supra.
21. ποῖόν τινα] “Since the
time of Aristotle, the quality
of a proposition has been
understood to designate its
being either affirmative or ne-
gative: that being formal, or
belonging to its form only.
Whether affirmative or nega-
tive, it may be true or false,
and this is doubtless a quality,
but belonging to its matter,
not its form. Plato seems to
have taken no account of the
formal distinction, negative or
affirmative.” Grote’s Plato, vol.
il. p. 448 note. See, however,
supr. 262 ¢, πρᾶξιν οὐδ᾽ ἀπραξίαν,
οὐσίαν ὄντος οὐδὲ μὴ ὄντος. Infr.
265 6: φάσιν τε καὶ ἀπόφασιν.
The possibility of negation has
been already proved: the ques-
tion now is, whether speech or
thought can properly be made
For exam-
ple: “ The-
zetetus is
sitting” is
a proposl-
tion, of
which The-
zetetus is
the subject.
15 “ Theete-
tus here is
flying,” is
another, of
which the
subject is
the same.
But they
differ in
quality.
20 For the one
is mani-
festly false,
the other
true.
The true
proposition
determines
in accord-
ance with
reality.
The false
proposition
also deter-
mines
something,
as if real,
but that
something
is different
from the
reality.
Therefore,
in the se-
cond of the
two in-
stances just
given, The-
zetetus is
made the
subject of
an unreal
determina-
tion, and
of another
predicate,
which is
treated
as if it were
the same
176
ITAATQNOZ
ΘΕΑΙ. Tov μὲν ψευδῆ που, τὸν δὲ ἀληθῆ.
/ \ FeLi « \
BE. Λέγει δὲ αὐτῶν ὁ μὲν ἀληθὴς τὰ ὄντα ws
A Ν cal
€OTL TEPl σου.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ti pny ;
ZE. Ὁ δὲ δὴ ψευδὴς ἕτερα τῶν ὄντων.
GCEAI. Nai.
— \ \ / 3, 3,
HE. Τὰ μὴ ὄντ᾽ ἄρα ὡς ὄντα λέγει.
ΘΈΑΙ. Σχεδόν.
μ»-- 35) 4, + nw
EE. Ὄντων δέ ye ὄντα ἕτερα περὶ σοῦ. πολλὰ
\ > yf
δὲ οὐκ OVTA.
ΘΕΑΙ. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
\ \ y+ 7 OQ. 53 / A
lo μὲν γὰρ εφαμεν OVTA περὶ ἐκαστον εἰναί που, TOAAG
= ἃ “ Χ , a
HE. “Ov ὕστερον δὴ λόγον εἴρηκα περὶ σοῦ,
- ,ὕ 3 Ὁ ec , 7 9. 51 ,
πρωτον μεν», ἐξ ων ὡρισάμεθα τί ποτ εστι Aoyos,
3 / 5 Ν “ ΄-“ 7 2
τ ἀναγκαιότατον αὑτὸν Eva τῶν βραχυτάτων εἰναι.
ΘΕΑΙ. Nov δὴ γοῦν ταύτῃ ξυνωμολογήσαμεν.
7
SE. Ἔπειτα δέ γε τινός.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὕτως.
\ Χ la
HE. Ei δὲ μὴ ἔστι σός, οὐκ ἄλλου ye οὐδενός.
the object of negation, and de-
scribed as false. In the Phile-
bus also (37 e) by the quality
of an opinion is meant truth
or falsity: καὶ ἐγένετο od μόνον
δόξα διὰ ταῦτα ἀλλὰ καὶ ποιά τις
ἑκατέρα.
9. Ὄντων δέ γε ὄντα ἕτερα πέρι
σοῦ] “Really being different
from what really is concerning
you: for we said that in re-
gard to each thing there ex-
ists much that is and much
that is not.” I. 6. the propo-
sition has a real significance,
though a significance which is
different from the true one.
Io. mov is to be construed
ὑπερβάτως with ἔφαμεν. N. B.
It is possible that in the phrase
οὔκουν ὅσοι ye τῶν μεγάλων πού
τι κιτιλ., SUPY. 235 6, που ought
to have been taken ὑπερβάτως
with the whole sentence: = “I
presume you know.”
15. eva τῶν βραχυτάτων εἶναι]
Because a subject and a pre-
dicate are essential to every
sentence.
Ig. Ei δὲ py—ovdevds] The
p- 265]
object of these words, and of ©
ᾧ νῦν ἐγὼ διαλέγομαι supra a, is
to bring out the falsity of the
proposition, by making it per-
fectly clear that Theztetus is
the subject of whom “flying”
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς γάρ;
177
HE. Μηδενὸς δὲ ὧν οὐδ᾽ av λόγος εἴη TO πα-
(2 Ξ > / \ σ “ 3 ΄ 53 ΄
pamav’ ἀπεφῆήναμεν yap ὅτι τῶν ἀδυνάτων ἣν λόγον
” \ 5 ,
ὄντα μηδενὸς εἶναι Aoyov.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Ορθότατα.
ΞΕ. Περὶ δὴ σοῦ λεγόμενα μέντοι θάτερα ὡς τὰ
\
SON Ν \ 5, ε BA , ec yy
αὐτὰ Και μὴ OVTH WS OVTA, TTAVTATTACLY WS EOLKEV
c / / 3) e / 7
ἢ τοιαύτη σύνθεσις ἐκ τε ῥημάτων γιγνομένη καὶ
5 7, yA Ν 5 la / /
ονομάτων ὄντως TE Kal ἀληθῶς γίγνεσθαι λογος
ψευδής.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Αληθέστατα μὲν οὖν.
BE. Τί δὲ 67; διάνοιά τε καὶ δόξα καὶ φαντασία,
is predicated. If the propo-
sition had no subject, it would
not be a proposition, for it
was shewn that every propo-
sition has a subject: but it
belongs to no subject except
Theeetetus. Therefore Theze-
tetus is the subject. This
conclusion is resumed in the
words περὶ δὴ σοῦ λεγόμενα.
Mr. Grote objects that here
and in Theet. 201, Plato, who
decries the “ facts of sense,”
selects an example of which
sense alone can judge. It may
be replied that, in choosing the
simplest examples, he naturally
lights on what is obvious to the
senses. But, first, even in this
case the truth or falsehood is not
given by sense, but by reason-
ing upon sense ; and, secondly,
Plato would have said that
these “sensible analogies” (ai-
σθηταὶ ὁμοιότητες, Polit. 285 6)
were only symbols of the higher
truths of which he spoke.
3. ἦν] The past tense is
used not only because of the
aorist ἀπεφήναμεν, but also to
express that which is unalter-
able.
6. Περὶ δὴ σοῦ] Compare
the similar “ad hominem” il-
lustration at the end of the
Theetetus, p. 209 Ὁ: θὲς γάρ
pe διανοούμενον ὡς ἔστιν οὗτος
Θεαίτητος κιτ.λ.
Περὶ δὴ ---- μέντοι θάτερα |
The position of μέντοι has
caused suspicion as to the
soundness of the text, but may
be accounted for by the em-
phasis on σοῦ, Cf. που supr. b,
and note.
λεγόμενα----σύνθεσι.] For the
constr. cf. Pheedo 69 ὁ : χωριζό-
μενα δὲ φρονήσεως καὶ ἀλλαττόμενα
ἀντὶ ἀλλήλων μὴ σκιαγραφία τις ἢ
ἡ τοιαύτη ἀρετή K.T.A.
7. ὡς ἔοικεν----γίγνεσθαι] The
main verb is attracted into the
relative clause, as in Soph.
Trach. 1238: ἀνὴρ ὅδ᾽, ὡς ἔοι-
κεν, οὐ νέμειν ἐμοὶ φθίνοντι μοῖ-
ραν. Cf. Euthyd. 280d: Δεῖν
ἄρα ὡς ἔοικεν. Phileb. 54 d: οὐκ-
οὖν, ὅπερ ἔλεγον----χάριν ἔχειν δεῖν,
Aa
which be-
longs to
him. And
such a
combina-
tionofnoun
and verb
amounts
5 really and
truly to
falsehood
in speech.
But if
speech may
be false,
so may
thought,
opinion,
and ima-
gining. For
thought
and speech
are the
same, ex-
cept that
thought is
inward and
silent,
while
speech
gives voice
to thought.
Now in
speech
there is
affirmation
and denial:
and the
correspond-
ing deter-
mination
when tak-
ing place
in thought,
is called
Opinion.
And Opin-
ion, when
arising in
a medium
of sensa- χε
tion, is
called Ima-
gining.
178
OEAT. Πώς:
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
“ » ΕΣ “ ει A \ / -“ 4
μῶν οὐκ 76n δῆλον ὅτι ταῦτα τὰ γένη ψευδῆ TE καὶ p. 263.
ἀληθὴ πάνθ᾽ ἡμῶν ἐν ταῖς ψυχαῖς ἐγγίγνεται ;
ie 5, en x “ ΄ / »
EE. SOS εἴσει ῥᾷον, ἂν πρῶτον λάβῃς, τί ποτ
ΘΈΑΙ. Δίδου μόνον.
y , 7 9 > ,
βέστι καὶ τί διαφέρουσιν ἕκαστ᾽ ἀλλήλων.
—_ > - , \ ‘ ͵ >, \
ΜΞ πὰς Οὐκοῦν διάνοια μὲν καὶ Aoyos ταὐτον᾽ πλὴν
7
10 διάνοια;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
« Ἁ 5" \ na a Ν ς \ / 32)
ὁ μὲν ἐντὸς τῆς Ψυχῆς πρὸς αὑτὴν διάλογος ἄνευ
a / ΄ 3 EN econ > ΄
φωνῆς γιγνόμενος τοῦτ᾽ αὐτὸ ἡμῖν ἐπωνομάσθη,
\ ea \ an /
GE. To δέ γ᾽ am’ ἐκείνης ῥεῦμα διὰ τοῦ στόματος
ΘΕΑΙ͂. ᾿Αληθῆ.
ἰὸν μετὰ φθόγγου κέκληται λόγος.
\ / DING ΤῊΝ y+
ΞΕ. Καὶ μὴν ev λογοις αὐτὸ iopev ov.
ΘΕΑΙ. Τὸ ποῖον :
ἘΠῚ, Φάσιν τε καὶ ἀπόφασιν.
4. λάβῃς, τί] αὐτὰ, which
some editors insert between
these two words, is omitted by
the Bodleian, with most other
MSS.
6. Δίδου μόνον] The meta-
phor implied in λάβης is con-
tinued.
7. Οὐκοῦν----ταὐτόν] Cf. Theet.
189 6: τὸ δὲ διανοεῖσθαι ap
ὅπερ ἐγὼ καλεῖς ; Τί καλῶν ; Ad-
γον, ὃν αὐτὴ πρὸς αὑτὴν ἡ ψυχὴ
διεξέρχεται περὶ ὧν ἂν σκοπῆ.
In the present passage, as also
in Phileb. 38 d, (in the ac-
count of 6déa,) the distinction,
as well as the likeness, between
inward and outward language,
is marked out.
12. Τὸ δέ γ᾽ ἀπ᾽ ἐκείνης ῥεῦμα]
Cf. Theet. 206 d: τὴν δόξαν
> ’ 5» \ 4 “ ,
εκτυπουμενον ELS τὴν διὰ του στο-
"Apa λέγεις
ματος ponv. Phileb. 1. 6. : τά
τε πρὸς αὑτὸν ῥήματα ἐντείνας
εἰς φωνὴν πρὸς τὸν παρόντα αὐτὰ
ταῦτ᾽ ἂν πάλιν φθέγξαιτο, καὶ
λόγος δὴ γέγονεν οὕτως ὃ τότε
δόξαν ἐκαλοῦμεν.
15. αὐτὸ] For αὐτὸ, antici-
pating the correlative word,
though less distinctly than
here, cf. Theet. 207 d: εἶτα
ἀμνημονεῖς ἐν τῇ τῶν γραμμάτων
μαθήσει Kar ἀρχὰς σαυτόν τε καὶ
τοὺς ἄλλους δρῶντας αὐτά: Θ.
K7.A, Σ. Ταῦτα
λέγω. Herm. unnecessarily
conj. αὐτοί: Wagner αὖ τόδ᾽.
See also supr. 243 a, ἐκεῖνο,
and 256d, where the antece-
dent of αὐτὰ had not been
distinctly expressed; and ef.
Polit. 262 a: τοῦτό ye—NE. Τὸ
ποῖον 5
p- 263.
p: 264.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
ΘΕΙ͂ΑΙ. Ἴσμεν.
179
“ > a a \ ΄,
HE. Ὅταν οὖν τοῦτο ἐν ψυχῇ κατὰ διάνοιαν
ἐγγίγνηται μετὰ σιγῆς, πλὴν δόξης ἔχεις ὅ τι προσ-
7 » ͵
εἰπῃς QUTO ;
GHAI. Kai πώς;
BE. Ti δ᾽ ὅταν μὴ καθ᾽ αὑτὴν ἀλλὰ δι αἰσθή-
a \ ‘\ a 3 ΄ 3 » er
OES 7apy) Tlvtl TO TOLOUTOY AU πάθος, ap OLOV TE
> “- > la) oS / \ 7
ορθῶς εἰπεῖν ἐτερὸν τι πλὴν φαντασίαν ;
OEAI. Οὐδέν.
HE. Οὐκοῦν ἐπείπερ λόγος ἀληθὴς ἦν καὶ wev-10 Thought
, , » 7 / \ De \ « \
Ons, τούτων δ᾽ ἐφάνη διάνοια μὲν αὐτῆς πρὸς ἑαυτὴν
ψυχῆς διάλογος, δόξα δὲ διανοίας ἀποτελεύτησις,
ἃ , >
b φαίνεται δὲ ὃ λέγομεν σύμμιξις αἰσθήσεως καὶ
δόξης, ἀνάγκη δὴ καὶ τούτων τῷ λόγῳ ξυγγενῶν
yy an ᾽ n yf Ne a9) 07 5
OVT@V ψευδὴ τε αὐτῶν ἐνια καὶ ἐνίοτε εἰναι.
ΘΈΑΙ. Πώς δ᾽ ov ;
EE. Κατανοεῖς οὖν ὅτι πρότερον εὑρέθη ψευδὴς
2. Ὅταν----αὐτὸ] The passage
of the Philebus just quoted is
exactly parallel.
6. μὴ καθ᾽ αὑτὴν] Se. τῇ ψυχῇ.
The distinction here brought
out underlies much of the later
portion of the Thetetus. The
imagination of an absent ob-
ject, which is omitted here, is
described in Phileb. 38.
4. αὖ] This word is to be
taken by an hyperbaton with
the whole clause.
πάθος] Cf. Theet. 193 d:
τὸ τῆς δόξης πάθος.
11. τούτων] Viz. the mental
processes.
12. δόξα δὲ διανοίας ἀποτελεύ-
tnots| This is vividly expressed
in the passage of the Thesetetus
above quoted, p. 190 a: ὅταν
δὲ (ἡ ψυχὴ) dpicaca, εἴτε Bpadv-
τερον, εἴτε καὶ ὀξύτερον ἑπαίξασα,
τὸ αὐτὸ ἤδη φῇ καὶ μὴ διστάζῃ,
δόξαν ταύτην τίθεμεν αὐτῆς.
13. φαίνεται δὲ ὃ λέγομεν
“What we speak of as Imagin-
ing.” The same form of ex-
pression occurs in Theet. 164
b: τὸ δέ ye οὐχ ὁρᾷ οὐκ ἐπίσταται
ἐστιν, εἴπερ καὶ τὸ ὁρᾷ ἐπίσταται.
14. τῷ λύγῳ συγγενῶν ὄντων]
This has been shewn in the
preceding sentences. αὐτῶν is
pleonastic. It is probably im-
plied that mere αἴσθησις is nei-
ther true nor false.
15. wevd7 — εἶναι], This is
shewn by an independent proof
in the case of δόξα in the pas-
sage of the Philebus above
quoted (38 d).
Aa 2
σι
then being
mental self-
colloquy,
Opinion the
completion
of thought,
and Ima-
gining the
meeting-
point of
Opinion
and Sense,
since
speech may
be false, so
also may
these con-
geners’ of
speech.
The search
for false-
hood has
ended
sooner
than we
expected :
and we
may return
with better
courage to
what re-
mains of
our origi-
nal task.
15
180
δόξα Kat λόγος ἢ κατὰ τὴν προσδοκίαν ἣν ἐφοβή- P- 264. ἢ"
ITAATQNOZ
y Ἁ VA /, 57 »
θημεν ἄρτι, μὴ παντάπασιν ἀνήνυτον ἔργον ἐπιβαλ--
“ “
λοίμεθα ζητοῦντες αὐτό:
GCEAI. Κατανοώ.
’ \ ‘ cal
5. EE. Μὴ τοίνυν μηδ᾽ εἰς τὰ λοιπὰ ἀθυμώῶμεν.
>’ 4 an ΄- 3) >
ἐπειδὴ yap πέφανται ταῦτα, TOY ἔμπροσθεν ἀναμνη-
σθῶμεν κατ᾽ εἴδη διαιρέσεων.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ποίων δή ;
EE. Διειλόμεθα τῆς εἰδωλοποιϊκῆς εἴδη δύο, τὴν
OEAI. Nai.
\ 5 Χ \ 72
τομέν εἰκαστικὴν, τὴν δὲ φανταστικὴν.
A \ 3) ΄- ΕἸ
EE. Καὶ τὸν σοφιστὴν εἴπομεν ὡς ἀποροῖμεν εἰς
« / i?
ὁποτέραν θήσομεν.
ΘΈΑΙ. Ἦν ταῦτα.
n ΄σ 7 /
EE. Kai τοῦθ᾽ ἡμῶν ἀπορουμένων ἔτι μείζων
΄ / A n / a ΄
κατεχύθη σκοτοδινία, φανέντος τοῦ λόγου τοῦ πᾶσιν
qn \ 7 / 27
ἀμφισβητοῦντος ὡς οὔτε εἰκὼν οὔτε εἰδωλον οὔτε
, 57 ἊΝ ’ xQr \ Ν la
φάντασμα εἴη TO παράπαν οὐδὲν διὰ TO μηδαμῶς
μηδέποτε μηδαμοῦ ψεῦδος εἶναι.
1. ἣν ἐφοβήθημεν] This cog-
nate accusative of the relative
occurs several times in Plato,
e.g. in Rep. 4,434: viv δ᾽ ἐκ-
τελέσωμεν THY σκέψιν ἣν φήθημεν,
εἰ---ἐπιχειρήσαιμεν θεάσασθαι, ῥᾷον
ἂν ---- κατιδεῖν, Ib. 443 Ὁ: Τέ-
λεον ἄρα ἡμῖν τὸ ἐνύπνιον ὃ ἔφαμεν
ὑποπτεῦσαι κιτιλ. Lege. 2, 666
Ὁ: παιδιᾶν, ἣν ---- τοῖς ἀνθρώποις
ἐδωρήσατο τὸν οἶνον φάρμακον.
2. ἀρτ ἘΣ 2 Ona), ΡΣ
ἐπιβαλλοίμεθα] “ Were im-
posing on ourselves.” Cf. Tim.
48 d: ὡς ὀρθῶς ἐπιχειροῖμ᾽ ἂν
τοσοῦτον ἐπιβαλλόμενος ἔργον.
6. τῶν ἔμπροσθεν ---διαιρέσεωνἾ
The thread of argument is now
completely resumed from supr.
236.
16. κατεχύθη] Cf. Polit. 302 ¢:
τοῦ νῦν ἐπικεχυμένου λόγου κατ᾽
ἀρχάς, Legg. 7, 793 b. The
image here seems to be that
of a cloud or mist. Compare
Hom. 1]. Y. 321: αὐτίκα τῷ μὲν
ἔπειτα Kat ὀφθαλμῶν χέεν ἄχλυν.
Ib. I. 344: κατὰ δ᾽ ὀφθαλμῶν
κέχυτ᾽ ἀχλύς.
φανέντος] Cf. ΤΠοεῦ. 199 c:
δεινότερον μέντοι πάθος ἄλλο παρα-
φαίνεσθαί μοι δοκεῖ.
πᾶσιν] Se. τοῖς λεγομένοις.
1. 6. objecting equally to φαν-
ταστικὴ, εἰκαστική, and εἰδωλο-
ποιϊκή.
t=
». 264.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤῊΣ.
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγεις ἀληθῆ.
ΞΕ. Νῦν δέ γ᾽ ἐπειδὴ πέφανται μὲν λόγος, πέ-
x) 5 ΄ 7, κων ,
φανται δ᾽ οὖσα δόξα ψευδὴς, ἐγχωρεῖ δὴ μιμήματα
a 5 / “
τῶν ὄντων εἶναι καὶ τέχνην ἐκ ταύτης γίγνεσθαι τῆς
181
7,
διαθέσεως ἀπατητικήν,
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿ἜΠγγχχωρεῖ.
\ 3 \ , ,
EE. Καὶ μὴν ὅτι γ᾽ ἦν ὁ σοφιστὴς τούτων πό-
Om A ͵ 53
τερον, διωμολογημένον ἡμῖν ἐν τοῖς πρόσθεν ἦν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ναί.
ἴω “ Χ
HE. Πάλιν τοίνυν ἐπιχειρῶμεν, σχίζοντες διχῇ τὸ 10
\ 7, , \ aN \ EEN
προτεθὲν γένος, πορεύεσθαι κατὰ τοὐπὶ δεξιὰ ἀεὶ
ων ᾽ὔ Sy I, a >) An
μέρος τοῦ τμηθέντος, ἐχόμενοι τῆς τοῦ σοφιστοῦ
, a XN > a \ Ν , /
κοινωνίας, EWS ἂν αὐτοῦ τὰ κοινὰ πάντα περιελόντες,
XN 5 iM 4 if > iy 7 \
τὴν οἰκείαν λιπόντες φύσιν ἐπιδείξωμεν μάλιστα μὲν
Gila 3 a 527 A \ a 7) , a
ἡμῖν αὑτοῖς, ἔπειτα δὲ καὶ τοῖς ἐγγυτάτω γένει τῆς
τοιαύτης μεθόδου πεφυκόσιν.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὀρθῶς.
4. ταύτης τῆς διαθέσεως] Se.
Ψευδοῦς δόξης.
7. τούτων πότερον] “ One or
other of these two things.”
Hither εἰκαστικός or φανταστικός.
10. Πάλιν τοίνυν ͵] “ Let us
therefore go to work again,
and dividing in half each kind
that is set before us, advance,
taking always the right side
of that which has been bisected
last, and clinging fast to that
which holds the Sophist, until,
having peeled off all that is
common to him with others,
we leave only his proper na-
ture, and declare this, first and
chiefly to ourselves, but also to
those besides whose genius is
most near of kin to this sort
of method.” For κατὰ τοὐπὶ
δεξιὰ, cf. Pheedr, 266 a: ὥσπερ
δὲ σώματος ἐξ ἑνὸς διπλᾶ καὶ
ὁμώνυμα πέφυκε, τὰ μὲν σκαιά, τὰ
δὲ δεξιὰ κληθέντα k.T.A.
12. ἐχόμενοι----κοινωνίας} I. 6.
Making the participation of
the Sophist in each kind our
test and clue. The notion of
κοινωνία, when once established,
is well used. Cf. Thezt. 209 ὁ,
μνημεῖον, and note.
15. τοῖς ἐγγυτάτω γένει] Cf,
Soph. Ant. 174: γένους κατ᾽ ἀγ-
χιστεῖα : and for the meaning,
Phedr. 266 Ὁ: τούτων --- αὐ-
τός τε ἐραστής---τῶν διαιρέσεων
καὶ συναγωγῶν----ἐάν τέ τιν᾽ ἄλλον
ἡγήσωμαι δυνατὸν εἰς ἕν καὶ ἐπὶ
πολλὰ πεφυκὸς ὁρᾷν, τοῦτον διώκω
κατόπισθε μετ᾽ ἴχνιον ὥστε θεοῖο.
For ἐπιδείξωμεν, cf. supr. 235 ¢
(where the same thing is spoken
of): ἀποφῆναι τὴν ἄγραν.
Conclu-
sion of I.
After dis-
tinguishing
likeness-
making
into lmage-
making
and phan-
tastic, we
doubted in
which com-
partment
to place the
Sophist,
when there
arose the
more im-
portant
1 doubt,
which we
have just
resolved,
\ > a / > / 7 ,
5KQL ἐμπορίικῃ και τισιν ἐν TOLOUTOLS εἴδεσιν ἐφαντά-
We are
now at li-
berty to
continue
our series
of divisions,
which be-
gan with
the distine-
~ tion of cre-
ative and
acquisitive
art. Our
previous
definitions
were ob-
tained by
following
thesections
of acquisi-
tive art.
But as he
now ap-
pears as an
imitator,
we must
divide crea- 2°
tive art, of
which the
making of
imitations
is obviously
a branch.
1Ιο
15
182 IMAATQNOS
μ-ὶ > ~ , \ > ͵
HE. Οὐκοῦν τότε μὲν ἠρχόμεθα ποιητικὴν καὶ Ρ-. 265:
\
κτητικὴν τέχνην διαιρούμενοι ;
OEAI. Ναί.
— a Ν “-“ ~ » lal
EH. Καὶ τῆς κτητικῆς ἐν θηρευτικῇ καὶ ἀγωνίᾳ
CeO” ἡμῖν ;
ΘΈΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
HE. Νῦν δέ γ᾽ ἐπειδὴ μιμητικὴ περιείληφεν αὐτὸν
7 > ε
τέχνη; δῆλον ὡς αὐτὴν τὴν ποιητικὴν δίχα διαιρετέον
7 « “ >
πρώτην. ἡ γὰρ που μίμησις ποίησίς Tis ἐστιν,
εἰδώλων μέντοι, φαμέν, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ αὐτῶν ἑκάστων. ἢ
7
γάρ;
ΘΈΑΙ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
EE. ΠΠοιητικῆς δὴ πρῶτον δύο ἔστω μέρη.
ΘΕΑΙ. Molo ;
HE. To μὲν θεῖον, τὸ δ᾽ ἀνθρώπινον.
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὔπω μεμάθηκα.
Lara “4 57 “ \ > > a\
SE. ΤΠοιητικὴν, εἴπερ μεμνήμεθα Ta Kar apyas
λεχθέντα, πᾶσαν ἔφαμεν εἶναι δύναμιν, ἥ τις ἂν αἰτία
γίγνηται τοῖς μὴ πρότερον οὖσιν ὕστερον γίγνεσθαι.
CEAI. Μεμνήμεθα.
HE. Zaa δὴ πάντα θνητὰ καὶ φυτά, ὅσα τ᾽ ἐπὶ
rn ’ ΄ Ae > 7 Ge y
γῆς ἐκ σπερμάτων καὶ ῥιζῶν φύεται Kal ὅσα ἀψυχα
I. ἠρχόμεθα---διαιρ. “We be-
gan by dividing.”
5. ἐφαντάζεθ᾽ ἡμῖν] Sic Bodl.
“ We had glimpses of him.”
9. δῆλον ὡς αὐτὴν τὴν ποιητι-
κὴν] “The very art of mak-
11. αὐτῶν ἑκάστων] That this
phrase is vernacular and ποῦ
technical appears from Aesch.
Prom. 952: ἀλλ᾽ αὐθ᾽ ἕκαστ᾽ ἐκ-
φράζε. Compare also Aristotle’s
αὐθέκαστός τις. Eth. N.IV.7, § 4.
ing,’ of which image-making
is a part. We have here an
example of the mental initia-
tive by which the one idea is
found which is afterwards divi-
ded, according to Phileb. 16 e.
18. κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς] P. 219 Ὁ: πᾶν
ὅπερ ἂν μὴ πρότερόν τις ὃν ὕστερον
εἰς οὐσίαν ἄγῃ.
22. φυτά, ὅσα τ’ ----τηκτα] The
notion οἵ φυτὰ is expanded by
an afterthought.
,
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
189
3 Lal / / \ yy “~
Ῥ- 265. ἐν yn ξυνίσταται σώματα τηκτὰ καὶ ἄτηκτα, μῶν
d
ἄλλου τινὸς ἢ θεοῦ δημιουργοῦντος φήσομεν ὕστερον
6 / > Ε ΗΑ ΝΟ la a NAG
γίγνεσθαι πρότερον οὐκ ὄντα; ἢ τῷ τῶν πολλῶν
δόγματι καὶ ῥήματι χρώμενοι ;
ΘΕΑΙ, Ποίῳ:
--- nn; \ 7 Oo AY A 4 λων 9. 7
=H. Te τὴν φύσιν αὐτὰ γεννᾷν ἀπὸ τινος αἰτίας
τ ΄ NC, , , x Ν ΄
QUT OLATNS και QVEV διανοίας φυουσης" 1) μετα λογου
τε καὶ ἐπιστήμης θείας ἀπὸ θεοῦ γιγνομένης ;
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿Εγὼ μὲν ἴσως διὰ τὴν ἡλικίαν πολλάκις
ἀμφότερα μεταδοξαζω: νῦν μὴν βλέπων εἰς σὲ καὶ το
€ , 3, / / Ν ϑ ΩΝ ,
ὑπολαμβάνων οἰεσθαὶ σε κατὰ ye θεὸν αὑτὰ yiyve-
/ Ν > N ,
σθαι, ΤαυτΉ καὶ GUTOS νενομικα.
Creative
art is, 1st,
divine and
human.
For to God,
working by
reason, and
not to any
mere spon-
taneity of
nature, is
to be re-
ferred the
origin of
animals,
vegetables
and mine-
rals.
ΓΞ: a 5 , ΄ ΄
HE. Καλῶς γε, ὦ Θεαίτητε. καὶ εἰ μὲν γέ σε Theetetus,
e , a ᾽ Ν ΒΥ / 2)
ἡγούμεθα τῶν εἰς τὸν ἐπεῖτα χρόνον ἄλλως πως
although
young, is
inclined to
δοξαζόντων εἶναι, viv av τῷ λόγῳ μετὰ πειθοῦς 15 this opin-
9 t γᾳ μ 5 this OF
3 ’, » a r e Fe 5 \ a7
ἀναγκαίας ἐπεχειροῦμεν ποιεῖν Opodoyelv’ ἐπειδὴ δὲ
/ XN / oS Ν y+ a "
σοὺ καταμανθανω ΤῊΡ φύσιν, OTL Καὶ QYVEV τῶν Tap
- > i SEN , 3. 5 Ge a “
ἡμῶν λογων αὑτὴ πρόσεισιν eh ἅπερ νῦν ἕλκεσθαι
I. τὴἠκτὰ καὶ ἄτηκτα] 1.6. Me-
tals and other minerals.
4. χρώμενοι] Se. φήσομεν
γίγνεσθαι.
The following passage con-
tains the same religious spirit
which is more fully expressed
in the Timeeus and in tbe toth
book of the Laws; cf. esp.
Legg. 10, 889-892. Also Phi-
leb. 28 d, e.
II. κατά ye θεόν] ““ At least in
accordance with the nature of
God.”
13. Καλῶς ye, ὦ Θεαίτητε.
With similar warmth in Theet.
185 e there is welcomed the
assertion of the independent
activity of the mind: Καλὸς
yap εἶ, ὦ ©.,—6 yap καλῶς λέγων,
καλός τε κἀγαθός.
15. δοξαζόντων] “Of that class
of persons who in later life
think otherwise.” The present
participle has almost become a
noun, and has lost the tempo-
ral meaning.
μετὰ πειθοῦς ἀναγκαίας] This
“ demonstrative persuasion ”
is advanced in the roth book
of the Laws, where it is
shewn that Mind is prior to
the elements of Nature, and
that the best mind rules. Cf.
esp. pp. 888 e sqq., 891 ¢,
892 b, 896 c, 897 ¢. See also
ibst2,9O7.G: | fam. “Gye:
πειθοῦς ἀναγκαίας] “ The per-
suasion of demonstration.”
ion, and
the Stran-
ger, consi-
dering the
nobility of
his nature,
184 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
5 f , ἢ , \ a 7 ᾽ Ε
thinks it bys, ἐάσω χρόνος γὰρ ἐκ περιττοῦ γίγνοιτ᾽ ἀν. P. 265) |
unneces- 5 κ᾿ , \ \ » 7 κι ᾿ ]
sary, by ἀλλὰ θήσω τὰ μεν φύσει λεγόμενα ποιεῖσθαι θείᾳ
further
argument,
/ \ > » 7 «9 > 7 /
TEXVN), Τα, ὃ €K TOUT@Y VT ἀνθρώπων ξννιστάμενα
to antici-
> / ΩΝ \ lal \ Ν / [4
pate the ἀνθρωπίνῃ, καὶ κατὰ τοῦτον δὴ τὸν λόγον δύο ποιη-
effect of a 7 Ν \ > / 9 Ν \ rn
time. 5 τικῆς γένη, TO μὲν ἀνθρώπινον εἶναι, TO δὲ θεῖον.
ΘΕΑΙ. ᾿᾽Ορθώς.
EE. Τέμνε δὴ δυοῖν οὔσαιν δίχα ἑκατέραν αὖθις.
OEAI. Πώς:
= EB Oi. / \ ἈΝ , / Ἀ
1, (λον tore μὲν κατὰ πλᾶτος τέμνων τὴν ποι-
But, 2ndly,
divine and
human art
are each
divided
into an art
of making τὸ LK . a cs δ \ a
ee epee ts TO) RCCL TOG, YS mn δὲ αὖ κατὰ μῆκος.
OEAI. Τετμησθω.
and an art
of likeness-
fest ‘4 \ DA “ \ 7 ,
=i. Terrapa μὴν αὐτῆς οὕτω τὰ πάντα μέρη
making.
/ / \ \ XN «ε 4 > fe / >
γίγνεται, Ovo μὲν τὰ πρὸς ἡμῶν, ἀνθρώπεια, δύο ὃ
Ss \ AN a an
av Ta πρὸς θεῶν, θεῖα.
13 ΘΒΑΙ. Ναί
μι N 7.33) ee 7 5 ΄ , nN
GE. Ta d€ y ws ἑτέρως αὖ διῃρημένα, μέρος μὲν
A 5 ’ « iA “ 7] >’ / \ 3
ev ad ἑκατέρας τῆς μερίδος αὐτοποιητικὸν, To ὃ
΄ ͵ XN , xX
ὑπολοίπω σχεδὸν μάλιστ᾽ ἂν λεγοίσθην εἰδωλο-
oe 7 ςς A lal \ , e Χ an
TOUKO. καὶ κατὰ ταῦτα On πάλιν ἡ ποιητικὴ διχῇ
20 διαιρεῖται.
OEAI. Λέγε ὅπῃ ἑκατέρα αὖθις.
T. χρόνος yap ἐκ περιττοῦ γί-
yor av] “For to do other-
wise would be to supersede
the work of Time.”
2. ta—gpice] Hither φύσει
has almost the force of an adj.,
as in Rep. 6, 501 b (τὸ φύσει
δίκαιον x.7.A.); and λεγόμενα is
added pleonastically, like the
participle in δεινότητες Soxod-
oa, Theet. 176 d: or, per-
haps better, the infinitive ποι-
εἶσθαι is to be repeated with
λεγόμενα.
9. κατὰ πλάτος ----κατὰ μῆκος]
Compare Pheedr. 266 a, already
quoted.
13. πρὸς ἡμῶν --- πρὸς θεῶν]
“On our side, on the side of
the Gods.”
16. Ta δέ γ᾽ ὡς ἑτέρως] “ Then
as to the divisions which were
made in the other way.” ὡς
is pleonastic, as in ὡς ἀληθῶς.
17. αὐτοποιητικόν] The art of
making the things themselves.
21. Λέγε--- αὖθις] “Tell me
once more how each (ποιητική
θεία, ἀνθρωπίνη) is divided (διαι-
peira).”
/
|
|
aa
p. 266.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
185
— I “ 3 ~ Ὁ
EE. Ἡμεῖς μέν που καὶ τάλλα ζῶα καὶ ἐξ ὧν τὰ
(2) hee) / A 9 \ / ,
πεφυκοτ᾽ ἐστί, πῦρ Kal ὕδωρ καὶ τὰ τούτων ἀδελφά,
a / 7 ΕἾ) > \ /
θεοῦ γεννήματα πάντα ἴσμεν αὐτὰ ἀπειργασμένα
a a “-
εκαστα ἢ TOS ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Οὕτως.
— / 3
ΞΕ, Τούτων δέ γε ἑκάστων εἴδωλα, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ
3 ’ / / a al
αὐτά, παρέπεται, δαιμονίᾳ καὶ ταῦτα μηχανῇ yeyo-
,
VOTQ.
OEAI. Ποῖα;
—= / o σ a) τῷ /
eE..Ta re ev τοῖς ὕπνοις καὶ ὅσα μεθ᾽ ἡμέραν
φανταάσ. ara αὐτοφυῆ λέγεται σκιὰ μὲν ὅταν ἐν τῷ
μ ἢ λέγεται, σκιὰ μ τῷ
Ν / 3 , a \ εἰ γὼ» Ἃ a
πυρὶ σκότος ἐγγίγνηται, διπλοῦν δὲ ἡνίκ ἂν φώς
> aT Neues / Ν \ N Ν a >
οἰκεῖον TE καὶ ἀλλότριον περὶ τὰ AapTTPA καὶ λεῖα εἰς
1. ἐξ ὧν ta] The same use
of the article occurs in a simi-
lar connexion in Protag. 320 6:
καὶ τῶν ὅσα πυρὶ Kal γῇ κεράν-
Ψνυται.
8. αὐτὰ---ἕκαστα] Ut supra:
opposed to ἐκάστων εἴδωλα
infra.
4. mapemera.—infr. ¢, παρα-
κολουθοῦν] So παρακολουθεῖ in
Theet. 158 c, of dreams an-
swering to realities.
11. φαντάσματα αὐτοφυῆ] Na-
tural images, opposed to arti-
ficial ones, such as those of
the painter.
σκιὰ μὲν---διπλοῦν δέ] The
latter word is not forthcoming
in Rep. 6, 510 a: λέγω δὲ τὰς
εἰκόνας πρῶτον μὲν τὰς σκιάς,
ἔπειτα τὰ ἐν τοῖς ὕδασι φαντά-
σματα καὶ ἐν τοῖς ὅσα πυκνά τε
καὶ λεῖα καὶ hava συνέστηκε. For
other observations on optical
reflexion, cf. Thezt.193 c, Tim.
43-
12. The words φῶς οἰκεῖον καὶ
ἀλλότριον----εἰς Ev συνελθόν (“the
light belonging to things bright
and smooth meeting in one
upon their surface with the
light from another object”)
may be illustrated by compar-
ing Tim. 46 a: ἐκ yap τῆς ἐκτὸς
ἐντός τε τοῦ πυρὸς ἑκατέρου κοινω-
νίας, ἐνός τε αὖ περὶ τὴν λειότητα
γενομένου. Objects
which give a perfect reflection,
such as smooth water, polished
metal, &¢., were supposed to
have in them a luminous prin-
ciple which met on the smooth
surface with the light from the
reflected object, just as the fire
in the eye encountered the ex-
ternal fire in the act of vision.
It appears from the same pas-
sage compared with Theeet. l.c.,
that the words τῆς ἔμπροσθεν
εἰωθυίας ὄψεως ἐναντίαν αἴσθησιν
refer to the transposition of
right and left in the reflected
image.
ἑκάστοτε
Bb
10 Divinely
made like-
nesses are,
for in-
stance,
thosewhich
appear in
dreams,
and, in the
day-time,
shadows
and reflec-
tions,
And, as a
house is a
humanly-
made real-
ity, so the
picture of
a house is
a sort of
humanly-
created
waking
dream.
5
Io
186
ὃ “ 3, > /
ev ξυνελθὸν τῆς ἔμπροσθεν εἰωθυίας ὄψεως ἐναντίαν p. 266}).
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
” 4 3 > 76%
αἰσθησιν παρέχον εἰδος ἀπεργάζηται.
ΘΕΑΙ. Δύο γὰρ οὖν ἐστὶ ταῦτα θείας ἔργα
/ > / Ν Ν “- 7
ποιήσεως, αὐτὸ TE καὶ TO παρακολουθοῦν εἰδωλον
« /
EKACTO.
A e / / oh) 5 2 ἈΝ
HE. Τί δὲ τὴν ἡμετέραν τέχνην ; ap οὐκ αὑτὴν
> “ ΄σ “ /
μὲν οἰκίαν οἰκοδομικῇ φήσομεν ποιεῖν, γραφικῇ δέ
- A > / > ΄ >
TW ἑτέραν, οἷον ὄναρ ἀνθρώπινον ἐγρηγορόσιν ἀπειρ-
γασμένην ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
΄ 5 δ \ / \ f
EE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ τάλλα οὕτω κατὰ Ovo διττὰ ἔργα
a c 3 ἴω 7 Ἂ, \ f
TNS ἡμετέρας αὖ ποιητικὴς πράξεως, τὸ μὲν αὐτό,
/ SS \ "7 οι ΟΝ
φαμέν, αὐτουργική, τὸ δὲ εἴδωλον εἰδωλοποιϊκη.
ΘΕΑΙ. Νῦν μᾶλλον ἔμαθον, καὶ τίθημι δύο διχῇ
τ ποιητικῆς εἴδη" θεία μὲν καὶ Τανθρωπίνη κατὰ
᾽ὔ a ΝΥ \ U7 XN A 5 los 35) Χ
θάτερον τμῆμα, κατὰ δὲ θάτερον τὸ μὲν αὐτῶν ον, τὸ
Woe [2 na ,
δὲ ὁμοιωμάτων τινῶν γέννημα.
6. ἡμετέραν] 1. 6. ἀνθρωπίνην.
φήσομεν is to be. supplied from
what follows.
av’tny — oixiav] “A real
house.” Not the ideal house,
as in Rep. το, 597 6: αὐτὴν----
ὃ ἔστι κλίνη.
8. ὄναρ ἀνθρώπινον] I. 6. As
dreams are a kind of divine
pictures, so a picture may be
described as a human dream.
ἐγρηγορόσιν] “ For those who
are awake.”
11. κατὰ δύο] Like καθ᾽ ἕν,
κατ᾽ ὄλιγον. “ By twos.” “In
pairs.” Cf. Thezet. 156 Ὁ.
12. τὸ-- αὐτὸ] “The thing
itself.” The grammar seems to
require αὐτουργικῆ-----οἰδωλοποι-
uns. But there may be a
change of construction from
ἔργα (ἐστι) τῆς ποιητικῆς to av-
τουργική (ἐστι ποιοῦσα) τὸ αὐτό.
Compare the transition imme-
diately below, from ποιητικὴ to
γέννημα, from the art to the
work.
14. δύο διχῇ] “Two in two
ways :” i.e. (a) divine, human ;
(6) reality, shadow.
15. Teiat μὲν καὶ Τἀνθρωπίνη 1]
Probably θείαν μ. κ. ἀνθρωπίνην,
as Heind. observes.
τό. αὐτῶν] “ Of things them-
selves.” Although the fourfold
division, in Rep. 6 sub fin,
of the intelligible and visible is
different and has a different
object, it is prompted by a
fancy very similar to that
which rules in the present
passage.
17. γέννημα] For this use of
the neuter word where the
). 266.
Db. 207.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
187
ΞΕ. Τῆς τοίνυν εἰδωλουργικῆς ἀναμνησθῶμεν ὅτι
ὯΝ \ > f? Ν \ A + 3
TO μεν εἰκαστικον, τὸ δὲ φανταστικὸν ἐμελλεν εἰναι
7 > δι a 57 ἋΟ An Ν a ΕΣ
γένος, εἰ τὸ ψεῦδος ὀντως ὃν ψεῦδος καὶ τῶν ὄντων
oa / i
ἐν TL φανείη πεφυκὸς.
ΘΕΑΙ. Ἦν γὰρ οὖν.
ΞΕ, Οὐκοῦν ἐφάνη τε καὶ διὰ ταῦτα δὴ καταρι-
θμήσομεν αὐτὼ νῦν ἀναμφισβητήτως εἴδη δύο ;
ΘΕΑ,ΑΙ. Ναί.
ΞΕ. To τοίνυν φανταστικὸν αὖθις διορίζωμεν
δίχα.
GEAI. Πη;
τισὶ \ \ > 3 2p , εν \ > A
HH. To μὲν dv ὀργάνων yryvopevov, To δὲ αὐτοῦ
, ε Ν ay a a Ν ΄
TAPEKXOVTOS E€AUTOV Opyavov TOU ποίουντος TO φαν-
τασμα.
ΘΕΑΙ. Πῶς φής:
ἘΠῚ] 9 3 Ν Ν rn , an e =
BE. Ὅταν, οἶμαι, τὸ σὸν σχῆμα τις τῷ EAVTOU
7 / / Ἃ \ a /
χρώμενος σώματι προσομοιον ἢ φωνὴν φωνῇ patve-
σθαι ποιῇ, μίμησις τοῦτο τῆς φανταστικῆς μάλιστα
/ /
κέκληται που.
OEAI. Ναί.
=A M \ δὴ cot See eS , 3
ΕΞ... ἐμήητικον OF) TOUTO αὐτὴς προσείποντες αἀπο-
feminine was rather to be ex-
pected, cf. infr. 267 ¢, μίμημα,
Polit. 289 Ὁ, θρέμμας As the
act sometimes becomes the ob-
ject of the verb (in the con-
struction known . as cognate
accusative), so the noun ex-
pressive of the object is some-
times put for the act. See
General Introduction.
2. ἔμελλεν] P. 236 ἃ, 6.
7. αὐτὼ] Se. εἰκαστικὴ καὶ
φανταστική.
τό. Ὅταν---ποῦ] In this sen-
tence προσόμοιον φαίνεσθαι ποιῇ
is equivalent to ἀφομοιῶται :
cf. φαίνεσθαι ποιεῖν below.
“When any one represents or
nearly represents your appear-
ance by means of his own
body, or your voice by his
voice, imitation is the name
for this branch of the phan-
tastic art.”
17. φωνῇ] Governed by χρώ-
μενος.
21. ἀπονειμώμεθα] “ Part off
for our own share.” Cf, Pheedr.
206 Ὁ, τεμνόμενος.
Bb 2
Next fol-
lows the
distinction,
which was
before pro-
visionally
made, be-
tween
Image-
making
and. Phan-
tastic ; the
creation of
a real and
an appa-
rent like-
ness of a
thing. Of
10 these,phan-
tastic may
be again
divided.
And one
kind is
called
impersona-
tion or
ys mimicry.
Mimicry is
sometimes
with know-
ledge,
188 MAATOQNOZ
νειμώμεθα"
7, ε ΄σ Δ Ν /
καὶ παρέντες ἑτέρῳ συναγαγεῖν τε εἰς Ev καὶ πρέπου- Ὁ
τὸ δ᾽ ἄλλο πᾶν ἀφῶμεν μαλακισθέντες p. 267.
> / > “-“ / > > “
σᾶν ἐπωνυμιὰν ἀποδοῦναί τιν aUT®.
OEFAI.
Νενεμήσθω, τὸ δὲ μεθείσθω.
΄ ‘ A 54 ca) 3 ,
SE. Kai μὴν καὶ τοῦτο ere διπλοῦν, ὦ Θεαίτητε,
ἄξιον ἡγεῖσθαι: δι ἃ δέ, σκόπει.
ΘΕΑΙ. Λέγε.
A / ε \ / a “
ZE. Tov μιμουμένων οἱ μὲν εἰδότες ὃ μιμοῦνται
a 7 ε 3 > »ὼ ἢ"
τοῦτο πράττουσιν, οἱ δ᾽ οὐκ εἰδότες.
/ /
και TOL TWA
sometimes τὸ μείζω διαίρεσιν ἀγνωσίας τε Kal γνώσεως θή-
without.
There are
those, for
COMED 5
OEAI. Θύδεμίαν.
SE. Οὐκοῦν τό γε ἄρτι τ εἰδότων ἦν μί-
papa.
15 μιμήσαιτο.
GEAI. [las δ᾽ ov;
τὸ γὰρ σὸν σχῆμα καὶ σὲ γιγνώσκων ἂν τις
EE. Τί δὲ δικαιοσύνης τὸ σχῆμα καὶ ὅλης ξυλ-
λήβδην ἀρετῆς ; ap οὐκ ἀγνοοῦντες μέν, δοξάζοντες
δέ πῃ, σφόδρα ἐπιχειροῦσι πολλοὶ τὸ δοκοῦν σφίσι
a e CSS >’ r r VA r
20TOUTO ὡς ἐνὸν αὐτοῖς προθυμεῖσθαι φαίνεσθαι ποιεῖν,
7 7 y+ Ν f /
ὁ τι μάλιστα Epyols TE καὶ AOYOLS μιμουμενοι 5
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ πάνυ γε πολλοί.
EE. Μῶν οὖν πάντες
I. μαλακισθέντες] ““ Shrink-
ing from further effort.” Cf.
supY. 241 €: ἀποστησόμεθα viv
μαλθακισθέντες :
9. τοῦτο πράττουσιν ]Ὶ Se.
μιμοῦνται.
13. μίμημα] The result is
again substituted for the act,
as In γέννημα supra 267 a.
17.70 σχῆμα] Governed by pu-
μοῦνται implied in what follows.
18. dp’ οὐκ----μιμούμενοι ;] “Is
- an ΄-“
ἀποτυγχάνουσι τοῦ δοκεῖν
it not notorious that many,
who have no knowledge but
an opinion of some kind about
these things, use all their might
to make it appear that they
have in them that which an-
swers to their own opinion,
impersonating this in actions
and words as far as they can ?”
Cf. Rep. 2, 365 ¢: πρόθυρα μὲν
καὶ σχῆμα κύκλῳ περὶ ἐμαυτὸν
σκιαγραφίαν ἀρετῆς περιγραπτέον.
.. 267.
ᾳ
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 189
53 tal 7 ΕΝ / lad >
εἶναι δίκαιοι μηδαμῶς ὄντες ; ἢ τούτου πᾶν TOU-
/
ναντίον ;
OEAI. Πᾶν.
A oS / /
SE. Μιμητὴν δὴ τοῦτόν ye ἕτερον ἐκείνου λεκτέον
3 Ν lal a /
οἶμαι, TOY ἀγνοοῦντα TOU γιγνώσκοντος.
ΘΕΑΙ. Nai.
/ 3 7 ε , las /
HE. Πόθεν οὖν ὄνομα ἑκατέρῳ τις αὐτῶν λήψεται
7 ἊἋ “ \ δ A ΄ la a
πρέπον ; ἢ δῆλον On χαλεπὸν ov, διότι τῆς τῶν
ἴω > ’ὔ’ 327
γενῶν Kar εἴδη διαιρέσεως παλαιά τις, ὡς ἔοικεν,
/ la 3, / a v >
αἰτία τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν καὶ ἀσύννους παρῆν, ὥστε μηδ
> tal 7 a Ν \ cal > ’
ἐπιχειρεῖν μηδένα διαιρεῖσθαι" καθὸ δὴ τῶν ὀνομάτων
ρος \ , 3 a “ ΄, Ἃ >
ἀνάγκη μὴ σφόδρα εὐπορεῖν. ὅμως δέ, Kay εἰ τολμη-
a 9 XN \ A
porepov εἰρῆσθαι, διαγνώσεως ἕνεκα THY μὲν μετὰ
/ / \ 7 Χ \
δόξης μίμησιν δοξομιμητικὴν προσείπωμεν, τὴν δὲ
μετ᾽ ἐπιστήμης ἱστορικήν τινα μίμησιν.
OEAI. Ἔστω.
ἘΠῚ Θ / U / 5 ε Ν \
peony ατέρῳῷ τοινυν XPYTTEOV O yap σοφιστὴς
39 » n WEA 5 > > 3 an ,
οὐκ ἐν τοῖς εἰδοσιν ἦν, GAN ἐν τοῖς μιμουμέ-
νοις δή.
ΘΕΑΙ. Καὶ μάλα.
ΞΕ. Τὸν δοξομιμητὴν δὴ σκοπώμεθα ὥσπερ
I. μηδαμῶς ὄντες] An under-
current of strong feeling is per-
ceptible here and in σφόδρα
supra, as in Rep. 7, 531 6: ov
yap που δοκοῦσί σοι οἱ ταῦτα δεινοὶ
διαλεκτικοὶ εἶναι.
ἔφη, εἰ μὴ μάλα γέ τινες ὄλιγοι οἷς
ἐγὼ ἐντετύχηκα.
9. παλαιά----παρῆν] Ancient,
and therefore hard to discover
—void of reflection, or com-
prehensive thought, and there-
fore without principles. Com-
pare Bacon’s complaint of the
vagueness of common language
> \ A ">
Οὐ pa τὸν Al,
about physical qualities.
10. ἀσύννου] Cf. Legg. 7,
799 6: καθάπερ οἱ παλαιοὶ τότε
περὶ κιθαρῳδίαν οὕτω πως, ὡς ἔοι-
κεν, ὠνόμασαν, ὥστε τάχ᾽ ἂν οὐδ᾽
ἐκεῖνοι παντάπασί γ᾽ ἀφεστῶτες
εἶεν τοῦ νῦν λεγομένου, Kab” ὕπνον
δὲ οἷόν πού τις ἢ καὶ ὕπαρ ἐγρη-
γορὼς ὠνείρωξε μαντευόμενος αὐτό.
18. οὐκ ἐν τοῖς εἰδόσιν ἦν] Ῥ.
233 d.
ἀλλ᾽ ἐν----δὴ] ‘But he does
appear amongst the class of
imitators.”
instance,
who per-
sonatetheir
own notion
of justice,
without
knowing
what jus-
5 tice really
is. For
this branch
of nimicry,
through
the remiss-
ness of the
first name-
givers, it is
difficult
10 to find a
name.
** Notion-
mimicry 15
the nearest
we can
find. This
also may
be either
innocent,
when the
mimic is
unconsci-
ous of his
ignorance,
or dissem-
bling. Of
the dissem-
bling no-
tion-mimic
there are
two kinds :
one, which
dissembles
before a
multitude ;
the other,
which
makes a
false im-
pression on
individuals
by means
of Eristie
argument ;
in other
words,
the clap-
trap orator,
and—the
Sophist :
x7 > A 7 "Ὁ 7 cal a ΄
5 εὐήθης αὐτῶν ἐστίν, οἰόμενος εἰδέναι ταῦτα ἃ δοξάζει" p. 268
190
/ 7 « ‘ ΕΣ / y> Ww , > . .
σίδηρον, εἴτε ὑγιὴς εἴτε διπλόην eT ἔχων τινα ἐστιν p. 46}
» c ΄-
εν €AUTO.
ΘΕΑΙ. Σκοπῶμεν.
7 / /
BE. "Ἔχει τοίνυν καὶ μάλα συχνήν.
ΠΛΑΤΩΏΝΟΣ
ὁ μὲν γὰρ
Ν \ a \ > ΄σ΄
τὸ δὲ θατέρου σχῆμα διὰ τὴν ἐν τοῖς λόγοις κυλίν-
5, «ε / € ~
Onow ἔχει πολλὴν ὑποψίαν καὶ φόβον ws ἀγνοεῖ
fal aA \ \ yy c xa ΧΝ 5» ,
ταῦτα ἃ πρὸς τοὺς ἄλλους ὡς εἰδως ἐσχηματισται.
7 3 3, ς 2
OEHAI. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν ἔστιν ἑκατέρου γένους ὧν
το εἴρηκας.
15
EH O > A \ \ « A 7, Ν δὲ
1. Οὐκοῦν τὸν pev ἁπλοῦν μιμητὴν τινα, TOY OE
εἰρωνικὸν μιμητὴν θήσομεν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Εἰκὸς γοῦν.
EE. Τούτου δ᾽ αὖ τὸ γένος ἕν ἢ δύο φῶμεν ;
ΘΕΑΙ. Ὅρα σύ.
EE. Σκοπῶ, καί μοι διττὼ καταφαίνεσθόν τινε’
τὸν μὲν δημοσίᾳ τε καὶ μακροῖς λόγοις πρὸς πλήθη
Ν , a N \
δυνατὸν εἰρωνεύεσθαι καθορῶ, τὸν δὲ ἰδίᾳ τε, καὶ
1. εἴτε διπλόην ͵]ὴ Various
figures are employed to give
greater vividness to the notion
of division. Cf. supr. 229 b.
Polit. 259 d: ἂν ἄρα ἐν αὐτῇ
Tb.
260: θεατέον εἴ πὴ διέστηκε. Ib.
φότ: εἴ τινα τομὴν ἔτι ἔχομεν ὑπ-
είκουσαν ἐν τούτῳ. Pheedr. 268 a:
εἰ ἄρα καὶ σοὶ φαίνεται διεστηκὸς
αὐτῶν τὸ ἠτρίον ὥσπερ ἐμοί.
5. αὐτῶν] τῶν δοξομιμητῶν.
6. τὸ δὲ θατέρου σχῆμα---ἐσχη-
μάτισται] ‘ But it is part of
the form in which the other
appears that from the constant
practice of discussion he cannot
but suspect and fear that he
is ignorant of the things which
4 A ,
τινὰ διαφυὴν κατανοήσωμεν.
he wears the appearance before
other men of knowing.” “There
is in his attitude an unmis-
takeable air of misgiving and
fear.”
κυλίνδησιν] Cf. Thest. 172 ¢:
οἱ ev δικαστηρίοις καὶ τοῖς τοιού-
τοις ἐκ νέων κυλινδούμενοι.
9. ἔστιν ---- εἴρηκας 1 “ There
certainly is a character belong-
ing to each of the two kinds
you have described.” Or 6
δοξομιμ. ἔστιν ἑκατέρου γένους.
12. εἰρωνικὸν] “ Hollow, in-
sincere, designing.” εἰρωνικὸς
occurs again (and again in a
bad sense) in Legg. ro, 90ὃ e.
18. ἰδίᾳ re] Se. εἰρωνεύεσθαι
δυνατόν.
ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ. 101
ip. 268. βραχέσι λόγοις ἀναγκάζοντα τὸν προσδιαλεγόμενον
ἐναντιολογεῖν αὐτὸν αὑτῷ.
OEAI. Λέγεις ὀρθότατα.
EE. Τίνα οὖν ἀποφαινώμεθα τὸν μακρολογώτερον
3 “ ἊΝ ΕΣ 7
εἰναι ; πότερα πολιτικὸν ἢ δημολογικὸν : 5
GEAI. Δημολογικόν.
EE. Τί δὲ τὸν ἕτερον ἐροῦμεν ; σοφὸν ἢ σοφι-
[4
στικον :
ΘΕΑΙ. *To* μέν που σοφὸν ἀδύνατον, ἐπείπερ οὐκ
εἰδότα αὐτὸν ἔθεμεν: μιμητὴς δ᾽ ὧν τοῦ σοφοῦ δῆλον
σ 7 > A
OTL TWAPMVULLOV AUTOV TL
ὔὕ o ~ x
μεμαθηκα ore τοῦτον δεῖ
λήψεται, καὶ σχεδὸν ἤδη
vad ’ ad SON
προσειπεῖν ἀληθῶς αὑτὸν
» a Ν i 57 ’
εκεινον τὸν πανταῖτασιν OVTWS σοφιστὴν.
a / lal , 32,
SE. Οὐκοῦν συνδήσομεν αὐτοῦ, καθάπερ ἔμπρο-
EA / » XN “ ΜΝ
σθεν, τοὔνομα συμπλέξαντες amo τελευτῆς ἐπ
ἀρχήν ;
2. ἐναντιολογεῖν] It now ap-
pears how much of the claim
advanced in Ὁ. 231 a is granted
to the Sophist. He is allowed
to possess that portion of the
Eristic art which is not based
on knowledge, but on the prac-
tice of argument. Cf. also
Ῥ. 225 ἃ, 6.
9. *To*] MSS. τόν. Ste-
phanus, followed by the other
editors, corrected this into τὸ,
with great probability.
11. παρωνύμιον] The vague-
ness of this derivation renders
it more correct than Hegel’s
from the imaginary σοφίζειν,
“to make wise,” or Bentham’s,
who took σοφιστὴς for a super-
lative.
12. μεμάθηκα] “I now clearly
understand that this is he whom
I must address as the very man
of whom we are in search, the
unmistakeably real and genuine
Sophist.”
αὐτὸν ἐκεῖνον [7 ‘There is
again a transition from the
name to the thing.
14. καθάπερ ἔμπροσθεν] P.226
a. For ἀπὸ τελευτῆς ἐπ᾽ ἀρχὴν,
cf. Lege. 1, 768 6: τὴν ἀρχὴν
νῦν τελευτῇ προσάψας.
By the process of division
the Sophist is thrust down into
the lowest sphere of imitative
(i.e. unreal) art, much in the
same way in which pleasure
finds the lowest place in the
Philebus ; and poetry, in Rep.
1o, is thrice removed from
truth (597 e), where there is
also the same division of di-
vine and human art. So the
actual Politicians are found
low down amongst the class of
_
μι
ο
192
IMAATQNOS ΣΟΦΙΣΤΗΣ.
SEAI. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
ΞΕ. Tov δὴ τῆς ἐναντιοποιολογικῆς εἰρωνικοῦ
/ “ lal / “ “
μέρους τῆς δοξαστικῆς μιμητικόν, τοῦ φανταστικοῦ
/ > lad " “.“.“- » ΄σ » >
γένους ἀπὸ τῆς εἰδωλοποιϊκῆς ov θεῖον ἀλλ᾽ ἀνθρω-
Ν a , > / > / ‘
5πικὸν τῆς ποιήσεως ἀφωρισμένον ἐν Aoyols TO θαυ-
“ὯΝ 7, , “ “ Ν a
ματοποίικον [LOPLOV, TAUTNS TIS γενεᾶς TE Και αιματος
& x a \ vy \ 3 > / e
os av φῇ Tov ὀντως σοφιστὴν εἶναι, τἀληθέστατα, ὡς
yy > ΄σ
EOLKEV, ἐρει.
ΘΕΑΙ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
servants (Polit. 289 4), and in
the series of transmigrations
given in the Phedrus, 248 6,
the eighth place (between the
artificer and the tyrant) is as-
signed to the life of the So-
phist or the public man.
2. Tov δὴ] I have ven-
tured to retain τὸν against
Schleiermacher, who reads τό,
and to give ἀφωρισμένον a
middle signification. “ The
artist of the contradiction-caus-
ing, conscious section of un-
knowing mimicry, who has
taken for his own the word-
juggling portion of human, not
divine, creation, in the phan-
tastic species of likeness-mak-
ing, such undeniably is the
lineage of the true Sophist.”
Cf. supr. 267 b, ἀπονειμώμεθα.
4. ἀνθρωπικόν, though hardly
occurring elsewhere in Plato,
may be regarded as probably
genuine, because of the affec-
tation of variety and novelty
of diction which pervades the
dialogue.
5. The Bodl. MS. has θαυμα-
στοποιηκὸν, not θαυματοποιητικὸν,
as Gaisford asserts.
6. ταύτης tis—aiparos]| The
words of Glaucus. Il. Z. 211:
ταύτης τοι γενεῆς τε Kal αἵματος
εὔχομαι εἶνα. The derivation
of kind from kind by διαίρεσις
is compared to a genealogy.
Compare the modern idea of
the genealogical derivation of
species from a single type, and
cf. Rep. 8, 547 a: ταύτης τοι
na \ ΄ =) ,
γενεᾶς χρὴ φάναι εἶναι στάσιν.
Ρ. 268.
d
TOAITIKOS.
INTRODUCTION TO THE STATESMAN,
THE contrast between the Sophist and the Philosopher is
paralleled by that between the ideal and actual Statesman.
The one of these is the philosopher under a different aspect,
surveying from above and yet guiding the life of states: the
other, in Plato’s view, is the most sophistical of all sophists
(τὸν πάντων σοφιστῶν μέγιστον γόητα Kal ταύτης τῆς τέχνης ἐμ-
πειρότατον). But in the present inquiry, although this thought
may be detected from the first (see 258 b and note, compared
with 292 b), it is ironically kept back, and instead of starting
from the known characteristics of a class of persons, the speakers
begin by forming an a priori conception of what the States-
man ought to be. In fact, this dialogue, in a different subject-
matter, combines the problem of the Sophistes with that of the
Philosophus, and seeks to determine, not only an existing coun-
terfeit, but an ideal reality. At the same time it is shewn that
the true Statesman and Governor cannot be defined without
reference to the actual, mixed conditions of human things. The
whole is intended by the author to be a study in scientific
method.
Further remarks on the dialogue will be better understood
if they are prefaced with a brief outline of the dialogue itself.
§ 1. It is assumed that the Statesman is master of a science :
and that not a mere handicraft in which the thought cannot
be separated from the work, but a theory, which however, as
a theory of government, has an immediate reference to prac-
tice. This theory must be essentially the same whether applied
to a state or a household, and whether he who holds it be
invested with authority or not. Further, the commands of the
Statesman are not derivative, but issue from himself. These
beg
ly INTRODUCTION
commands aim at controlling a work which affects living erea-
tures in the aggregate. But what living creatures? The
respondent inclines to say “man” at once. But he is warned
to be cautious, lest he be making “a distinction without a
difference.” For what ground is there for supposing that the
distinction between man and the brutes is more rational than
that between Greek and Barbarian, or that man has more
right than any other thinking animal, such as the crane, to
set himself over against all other creatures? By gradual sub-
divisions, much as in the game called “ Animal, vegetable, and
mineral,” the human race is at last determined to be the sphere
of statesmanship: mankind being in the last place distinguished
by a merely mathematical and physical difference from the
pig, or, as bipes implume, from the κουφονόων φῦλα ὀρνίθων.
(258 b—267 c.)
§ 2. The King, then, has been defined as the herdsman,
the nurturer or nourisher of men. But there now appears
this difference between the king and other herdsmen, that, while
the cowherd is everything to his own cattle, there are many
others who, equally with the king, may claim to be the shep-
herds of the human flock. The merchant, husbandman, baker,
gymnast, physician, have all a share in their nurture. In order
to perceive the reason of this difference we must call to our
assistance an ancient tale.
There has been, and will be again, a time when the king is
the shepherd of his people, but not in the present cycle of the
world’s life. For there are alternate cycles, during one of which
the universe is guided by the Divine hand, and then again,
through many ages, the vast round fabric is left to revolve
alone. Of the former time we have a dim tradition in the
fables of the golden age and of the earth-born seed: and in
the latter we and our fathers have been living. Of this “ re-
verse of doom” a trace remains in the story that Zeus once
made the sun and the stars to return from their setting to
their rising. The gifts of Triptolemus and Deméter, Prome-
theus, Hephestus and Athéne, were rendered necessary by
the naked and helpless state of man, when first left, with the
whole universe, to his own guidance. For in that former state
he lived under the care of a Divine shepherd, who was all-
sufficient for his flock: happy if they used their golden hours
TO THE STATESMAN. γ
in the improvement of their reason: otherwise, less happy
than we may be. How great, then, was our error, when we
mistook the Statesman, who is a man of like nurture and
education with his citizens, for the Deity who ruled and tended
mankind under the perfect conditions of that former cycle,
when all things, including man himself, sprang of themselves
from the Earth, and hence there was no property nor any
possession of wives and children. And there is another error
of less moment which the tale makes clear. Our definition is
at once too wide and too narrow: too wide, because including
more than the Statesman; too narrow, because not including
him at all. He is not the feeder of his people, though he
has the care of them. The word “care” would have included
him also. But the general name “care of herds” must be
divided until the King or Statesman is separated from all
rivals and left quite alone.
First, he is distinguished from the shepherd of the theo-
eracy ; next, from the tyrant, who rules by force. The King
or Statesman has the care of willing bipeds. (267 c—276 e.)
§ 3. Still, even with the help of our tale, which grew upon
our hands, we have made an unfinished work. This descrip-
tion is a mere colourless sketch, which must be filled up by
further argument. And for this purpose we must have
recourse to an example. For as children in learning to read
are taught to recognize the letters of words which they know
not, by being shewn the same letters in words which they
know, so the mind is taught the principles of things, which
having seen in one form she fails to recognise in others more
strange and complicated. This will be illustrated by the
example which is now to be chosen.
The art of weaving woollen cloth is one of the simplest we
could name. Yet we might describe it by a long series of
divisions, distinguishing it from the making of other fabrics
and coverings, without, after all, separating it from those arts
to which it is most nearly related. For suppose we had thus
defined it as “the art of working in wool.” Is there not the
process of carding, which is the opposite of weaving together,
and those of spinning and fulling and of darning, all of which
answer to the definition but are none of them included in the
weaver’s art’ Then there is the making of the loom and
vi INTRODUCTION
shuttle and other implements of weaving, which are adminicular
to the art but different from the art itself.
We distinguish, then, arts instrumental from arts operative.
And of arts operative in wool-working there is a further dis-
tinction, also depending on a universal division of the arts
into combining and discriminating. Discriminating processes
in wool-working are carding and one part of the use of the
comb. But wool is combined, (1) By twisting: either hard
with the spindle, to make the warp, or softly with the hand,
to make the woof. (2) By the crossing and intertexture of
the warp and woof, which is weaving. (277 a—283 a.)
δ 3b. Now it may be said that “this is too long;” and
that we might have arrived at the definition without the
intermediate steps.
This leads us into a digression on Excess and Defect. For
want of dialectic, men are apt to confuse that which is more
with that which is too much. Whereas there are two ways
of measuring size and number; one, simply by comparison of
greater and less, the other, by reference to the standard of
what is meet or proper. Without such a standard there could
be no art or science. This is the real meaning of the saying
that the science of measurement embraces all things.
So lamentable are the results of an unphilosophic method.
And this suggests the further reflection, that as each reading
lesson is learnt, not for its own sake, but for the sake of learn-
ing to read, so our present inquiry is not so much on account
of the Statesman as for our improvement in dialectic and in
the alphabet of the ideal world.
From all which we gather that the length of our discussion
is to be judged, not by comparison, but by its meetness or
fitness: and this not with a view to pleasure, nor chiefly to the
ease or rapidity with which the object of search is found, but
by its meetness or fitness to improve men in dialectic and
awaken in them the faculty of invention. (283 b—287 a.)
§ 3c. We now endeavour to apply our example to the dis-
covery of the King. His art is to be separated from those,
adminicular and operative, which, like his own, are necessary
to the life of the city.
The productions of these are divided into seven kinds, viz.
instruments, vessels, seats, shelters, sports, nourishments, and
ΤῸ THE STATESMAN. vil
materials: in none of which is the king’s work discoverable.
Next in the order of possessions come tame animals of every
kind, the art of herding which, including men, has been
already distinguished from that of the king. Lastly, there is
the class of slaves and other servants, amongst whom, strangely,
appears the first glimpse of a character rivalling the king.
Not amongst the slaves, of course, nor amongst tradesmen
(though there is a political science of trade), nor heralds and
other ministers of state. But first the prophet, herald of the
Gods, and the priest who mediates between earth and heaven,
have a kingly air. In Egypt the king must be a priest, and
the Archon-Basileus at Athens performs sacred rites.
At last our eye has caught the stragglers of a tumultuous
throng, who presently sweep into full view—the actual rivals
of the King. (287 b—290 6.)
§ 4. A motley crew, and monstrous to the philosopher’s eye.
Some fierce and cruel as centaurs, some weak but cunning.
These greatest impostors of all sophists do the business of the
state: but, though hard the task, they must be separated
from the true Statesman and King. For of the three forms
of government ordinarily recognized, Monarchy, Democracy,
Oligarchy, with the additional branches of Tyranny and Aristo-
eracy, can it be said that any one is determined by Reason?
How can the difference of many, few or one, of poor or rich,
or even that which we have recognized between persuasion
and force, distinguish the knowing from the ignorant ruler?
True, many cannot have this knowledge, nor can that rude
multitude who call themselves the wealthy or the few. Those
who are indeed the few, whether poor or rich, whether they
rule by force or by persuasion, whether with or without law,
and by whatever means, so long as they rule with knowledge
for the good of the state, are the true rulers, and theirs is the
true form of government. Those forms to which the name is
given are imitations, better or worse, of this one form. (291 a
—293 6.)
ὁ 4b. The Greek mind is shocked by the suggestion that
the true government may be without law. But the sove-
reignty of law is not a perfect substitute for that of a wise
and living will. For general rules, which are in their na-
ture simple, cannot embrace every contingency which may
vill INTRODUCTION
arise in the infinite complexity of human things. The law,
like Creon,
A - “ “ ( SAAT a -“
ἐν ἦθος μοῦνον ἐν αὑτῷ φορεῖ
ὥς φησιν αὐτός, κοὐδὲν ἄλλο, τοῦτ᾽ ὀρθῶς ἔχειν.
Laws are necessary (like rules in the gymnasium), because
the ruler is not able at every moment to be prescribing for
individual cases: and also because the lawgiver will not always
be with his people. But suppose a physician going into a far
country, and writing memoranda for his patients to observe
until his return: should he come back and find that from
some change of climate his prescriptions are no longer suitable,
must he be bound by what he has once written? And if the
true legislator, or one like him, were to come again on earth,
must he be bound by the letter of the old precepts? It is
commonly said, ‘ Let a man persuade his city, and so let him
improve the laws.’ But and if he forces a better law upon his
countrymen, will he be any the less a good lawgiver? The truth
is, that, whether poor or rich, whether with or without law,
whether by persuasion or force, the true statesman is he who
governs wisely, who does what is expedient, and preserves and
makes better those committed to his care. (293 e—297 b.)
§ 46. It was said above, that of the imitations of the true
government some were better, others worse. Here the distine-
tion finds place which we before rejected, between the obser-
vation and neglect of law. In the absence of the true soyve-
reign, it is best for every state to preserve its laws, which
it may be presumed that the first lawgiver made after his
conception of the ideal pattern. This is illustrated by an
imaginary case (with evident allusion to Athens). Suppose
that men, from their experience of the wickedness of physi-
cians and pilots, determined to bind them by edicts, which
they passed in their assembly or in their senate, at the sug-
gestion of any unprofessional adviser who chose to speak, and
regulated thereby the use of drugs and surgical instruments
and the build and navigation of ships in peace and war. Sup-
pose these edicts engraved on lasting marble, and on the no
less lasting monuments of custom and tradition. Suppose,
further, that our medical practitioners and naval captains were
chosen annually in the same assembly, and were lable to be
TO THE STATESMAN. ix
indicted publicly by any citizen so soon as their annual term
expired. A further sanction would be necessary. Were any
found searching into the truth of navigation and medicine
beyond what was written, he must first be set down by public
opinion as a babbling, star-gazing sophist, and then accused in
court of corrupting the youth: and if convicted of persuading
any man to sail or to be healed contrary to the customs, he
must suffer the last penalty: seeing that no man must be
wiser than the laws, which he who runs may read.
The result would be the hopeless extinction of these arts,
and of any others to which this plan should be applied. Yet
is a worse case conceivable: if, when the laws of any art had
been thus laid down, those elected by suffrage or by lot were
to despise the laws and act in defiance of them, not from the
knowledge of any principle, but for the sake of gain or favour.
For though the arts were destroyed, there was in the former
ease a certain ground of experience or probability, which is
thus annihilated.
Hence in the absence of the true lawgiver, the best course
(though only a second best) is to maintain the laws.
This distinction, between constitutional and unconstitutional
government, was previously applied to monarchy and oligarchy,
and is now extended to democracy. Whence there are now
seven so-called forms of government, of which one only de-
serves the name :—scientific monarchy, constitutional mon-
archy, tyranny, aristocracy, oligarchy, constitutional demo-
cracy, unconstitutional democracy. When we contemplate the
six last named, the wonder is that cities should exist at all.
Constitutional monarchy is better than aristocracy, and this is
better than constitutional democracy. Of the remaining three,
unconstitutional democracy, or anarchy, is the least bad, and
tyranny is the worst of all.
But all are to be rejected, as not answering to the object of
our search. The heads of these false governments are not
statesmen but partisans; they are mere phantasms, like the
constitutions which they administer; the most egregious imita-
tors, impostors, and sophists. (297 c—303 b.)
§ 5. The actual statesmen being thus disposed of, the way
is still further cleared towards the unveiling of the true king.
Yet all that we have hitherto gained is negative, except that
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he rules men wisely, according to true principles. Like refiners
of gold, we have purged away baser minerals, but haye not
yet eliminated those precious metals which have the strongest
affinity for the gold. In other words, our definition would
apply equally to the general, the judge, the wise and eloquent
orator, as to the king.
But the art of statecraft has this distinguishing note, that it
directs the functions of the rest, and has a universal working.
The orator knows how to persuade, the judge how incor-
ruptibly to administer the law, the general how to conduct
war successfully: but none except the king or statesman can
determine where persuasion is to be used instead of force,
what the law ought to be, whether war is to be leyied, or
peace preserved. Thus statecraft is, as was before anticipated,
the commanding science, not herself acting, but directing those
who have the power to act. And while each of the rest has
a particular sphere, the office of the king embraces every func-
tion of the common life. (303 c—305 6.)
We have now separated the king or statesman from all who
were likely to be confounded with him. It remains, in accord-
ance with our example, to describe the manner of his work.
What are the warp and woof of the royal fabric? and how is
it woven ?
First, we must note that there are two opposite qualities
which merit praise, courage and gentleness, or, in other words,
quickness and slowness: which, however, if they remain apart
run to excess, and equally become blameable and even de-
structive. Next, that every art of combination, even the
humblest, seeks to bring together elements which have first
been separated from what is worthless. Hence as the art
of carding ministered to weaving, so the kingly art makes use
of education and other tests for purging the good from the bad.
The worst are cast forth by exile or death. The mean and
ignorant are enslaved. Of the rest, the brave and gentle, that
is the hard warp and soft woof, are combined: the eternal part
being compacted with a divine, the mortal with a human, bond.
The divine bond is right opinion confirmed by reason, and this
is implanted in the mind—the divine particula awre—thus
imparting gentleness to the rugged and prudence to the smooth
and yielding nature.
TO THE STATESMAN. x]
This is the most important and difficult branch of the ruling
science. The human bonds are easily imposed where the di-
vine exist. They are the regulations concerning marriage,
whereby the brave and gentle races are physically as well
as mentally crossed and interwoven: though flesh and blood
may find this saying hard.
This having been effected, the offices of state are to be
distributed amongst both kinds: the two natures being in
each case either united in a single person, or equally repre-
sented where more than one officer is required: that the state
may act at once with energy and discretion.
And so there is wrought the perfect web, whereby the true
Statesman holds the whole city together in concord and amity,
and secures for his subjects the happiest life which is possible
for a society of men. (305 e—3TI.)
REMARKS.
I. Dialectical Aspects. Relation to the Sophist.
Amongst many differences of treatment which might be
expected from the change of subject and the fertility of Plato’s
invention, the thoughts on method and the nature of know-
ledge, which were thrown out in the Sophist, are not forgotten,
but indirectly receive further development.
a. The process of divisions has acquired new significance.
The problem is explained to be, “ to distinguish one kind of art
from all others, and by stamping these with a single negative
form, learn to conceive of all science under two heads, namely,
statecraft, and that science which is not statecraft.”’ (258 c.)
This is clearly an application of the view of Not-Being which
had just been given. But it soon appears that the mere
abstract notion of Difference may be capriciously applied. To
distinguish man from other animals, for example, or Greek
from Barbarian, is a merely arbitrary procedure, unless we
have found a rational ground for the distinction, which can
only be done by a method of successive exclusions, each of
which implies a certain knowledge of that which is excluded,
as well as of that which is retained. Even so meagre a defi-
nition of man as that he is a featherless biped implies the
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knowledge of at least two positive qualities of the class of
birds. This thought is not worked out further at the time,
but in the later stages of the argument the complexity of all
real knowledge, implied already in the “ communion of ideas,”
is more fully recognised than elsewhere in Plato. The defi-
nition of the Sun which Socrates on the previous day had
thought sufficient, “that he is the brightest orb that rolls in
Heaven about the earth,’ ὅτι τὸ λαμπρότατόν ἐστι τῶν κατὰ
τὸν οὐρανὸν ἰόντων περὶ γῆν (Thest. 208 4), would not now
satisfy the requirements of the Stranger. “It is not enough
to describe wool-weaving as the greatest and fairest of all
ministries that wait on the working of wool: the other
attendant arts must be carefully stripped from round it.”
(281 c.) That is, each of these must be so far defined as to
exclude weaving. The boundary line must be clearly drawn
from either side. And thus the definition of the Statesman
involves a certain account of the general, the judge, the orator,
as well as a description of the no-constitutions of existing states.
Here is an approach, though a very partial one, to the ideal
of science which is made a test of the happiness or misery
of the children of earth in Saturn’s reign: “learning from
every nature, what each by its proper faculty had perceived
differently from others and could contribute to the treasury
of knowledge.” (272 c.)
So much has been gained from perceiving the correlation
of the positive and negative elements of knowledge. Closely
akin to this was the reaction, which the “‘ Sophist” justified®,
from a merely negative and analytical method of knowledge.
This also is continued in the Statesman. In their zeal for
the method of divisions, the Stranger and his respondent fall
into a natural error. In seeking to be definite they forget to
be comprehensive, and omit a needful generalization. They
divide the science of feeding; whereas the king in this pre-
sent cycle is not a feeder, although he has the care of a
flock. This error is duly exposed and rectified; and it is
further shewn that the distinctions hitherto made have only
brought out a colourless outline of the King. It is from this
point that the more serious portion of the inquiry begins.
ἃ Τελεωτάτη πάντων λόγων ἐστὶν ἀφάνισις τὸ διαχωρίζειν ἕκαστον ἀπὸ πάντων.
Soph. 259 6.
TO THE STATESMAN. xill
b. The generalizing or combining process», the defect of
which had been just noticed, here resumes its proper import-
ance. The ideas on which the definition of the Statesman mainly
turns are drawn from the not very obvious example of cloth-
weaying; and an example is explained to mean the illustra-
tion of some great or unfamiliar truth by the exhibition of the
leading principles of that truth in a simple and familiar case.
We are again reminded of the complexity of the world of
which philosophy speaks to us, and how combinations which
in the abstract are sufficiently understood, become lost when
we endeavour to follow the concrete development of things.
(278 c,d.) We are told that it is only by dialectic (not by
any sensible mean) that the similitude of the highest truths
can be displayed. And as the definition of the weaver is
symbolical of that of the Statesman; so the chief value of this
whole discussion is to shadow forth still higher truths than
those with which it is concerned. (285 d, e.)
What then are the principles suggested by the present
example? First, we are taught the inadequacy of the method
of dichotomies as hitherto pursued. If the view of this
method already stated* is correct, we can easily imagine that
Young Socrates, or let us rather say a pupil of the Academy
at this time, was not prepared for the elaborateness of the
discussion. In fact we have seen him beguiled by the Stranger
into thinking that the journey was ended, when it was not yet
well begun. (265 b.) Plato here shews that the real work of
distinction and comparison, which deserves the name of dialec-
tic, is a more subtle process and goes deeper than the boyish
exercise with which he had as it were broken ground for the
inquiry : though even through this many valuable hints had
been conveyed, seria mista jocis. The difference in this
respect between the earlier and later portions of the dialogue
will be evident to any one who compares the abstract notion
of statesmanship as a commanding theory in p. 260 a, with
the view given in pp. 305, 306 of the relation of the kingly
art to those of the orator, judge, and field-officer. Those
θ᾽ συναγωγή. Cf. 278 ο, ταὐτὸν ἐν pare Bacon’s saying, ‘‘ The strength of
ἑτέρῳ διεσπασμένῳ, δοξαζόμενον ὀρθῶς all sciences is, as the strength of the
καὶ συναχθέν. old man’s faggot, in the bond.”
© See General Introduction. Com-
XLV INTRODUCTION
who make this comparison will not think that the author of
this dialogue believed his definition of bipes implume to be a
serious contribution to the science of human nature. As the
dialogue proceeds the earlier divisions seem to be forgotten,
or to be neglected as a mere scaffolding’, else the analogy
just noticed between p. 260 a and 305 d (οὐκ αὐτὴν δεῖ πράτ-
τειν, GAN ἄρχειν τῶν δυναμένων πράττειν) could hardly have
been overlooked by the speakers themselves.
The imperfection of mere external classifications being thus
recognized, there follows the remark, already quoted, on the
necessity of finding the mutual boundary between the object of
search and all kindred species. (281 c.)
In applymg this to weaving we obtain two fresh thoughts,
which are found valuable for the main argument: the distine-
tion of αἴτια and ξυναίτια, of operative and adminicular arts ;
and the universality of the two great sciences of composition
and division.
The former affords the hint for the elimination from the
work of the king of various arts, without which civil life could
not proceed: the latter is the key-note of the final passage, in
which the last touches are given to the image of the King.
For by help of our example we are enabled to proceed fur-
ther, even after all possible distinctions have been drawn: and
when all rival arts have been stripped away we see in the
royal function the twofold process of division and composition :
division, by which, practically, good citizens are selected,
and theoretically the brave and gentle elements are distin-
guished: composition, by which the diverse materials thus
cleansed and prepared are combined in a smooth and perfect
web. ‘These two are the counterpart of the twofold process of
dialectic, by which the objects of thought are distinguished
and combined according to truth. This process is incidentally
described in a passage of the Politicus already quoted (285
a, b), in which the complex determinations of real knowledge
are contrasted with the off-hand generalizations and distine-
tions of sciolism; and which is in fact an application and
development of the conception of scientific method expressed
in Soph. 259 d.
ἃ Cf. Pheedr. 265 d: τὰ μὲν ἄλλα τῷ ὄντι παιδιᾷ πεπαῖσθαι.
cr ...
TO THE STATESMAN. XV
6. These are the chief points of that instruction in dialectic,
which is commended to us by the Eleatie Stranger as the most
valuable result of the dialogue. We may gather from them
that Plato was at this time striving after a philosophy of the
concrete, and endeavouring to substitute real and fruitful in-
quiry for the barren logical exercitations, the sweeping gene-
ralizations and verbal distinctions of his contemporaries, per-
haps of his own scholars. The aim constantly held before the
mind is the attainment of greater definiteness and fulness,
“This is true, but not explicit or complete ” (ἀληθὲς μὲν οὐ μὴν
σαφές ye οὐδὲ τέλεον) is the repeated complaint. Since it has
been proved in the Sophist that different ideas may have com-
munion or correlation with each other, it becomes the task of
philosophy to discern the threads which connect them. And
nowhere, except in the Philebus and Parmenides, has Plato
buckled to this task more earnestly. In the latter part of the
Pheedrus indeed there is a conception of an art of rhetoric,
which should be based on a complete science of psychology,
the realization of which would far exceed in definiteness and
completeness this somewhat desultory sketch. But it is one
thing to imagine a science, and quite another thing to attempt,
however imperfectly, to work it out. The “splendid ideal”
of the Phedrus, like other intuitions of that dialogue, is an
anticipation rather than an embodiment of method : not neces-
sarily an early anticipation, for if wildness of imagination
marks a jugendschrift, what is to be said of the mythus in the
Statesman? In the sixth book of the Republic there is ex-
pressed a more general conception of the ladder of hypotheses
by which science climbs to the ideal world, whence she de-
scends without the aid of the ladder by the chain of ideas.
But this notion, though implying a connexion of ideas, is still
vague, and gives less promise of the reality of science than the
method employed in the Politicus.
The Republic professes to be intelligible rather than exact,
and to proceed by popular methods. Even the order of the
sciences 15 not worked out as a dialectical problem, though the
seventh book contains passages of great subtilty and depth.
What is wanting in demonstration is “evened o’er” by the
abundance of imagination. But Socrates hints more than once
to Glaucon that there is a “longer way,” which the dialectical
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student must learn to tread. It is possible that we have a
sample of this in the present dialogue, which contains an ela-
borate defence of lengthened argument, and in which Young
Socrates is taken further afield than he had any thought of
going.
This struggle towards definiteness and reality is pro tanto an
approach on Plato’s part to the later philosophy of Aristotle.
But there still remains between them an ineffaceable difference
of character. Plato when most concrete retains an undimin-
ished hold of the universal: οὐρανῷ ἐστήρικτο κάρη καὶ ἐπὶ
χθονὶ βαίνει. The idealizing spirit may be exorcised, “ tamen
usque recurrit.”’ Gliscit intellectus altior. The true king, when
adapting himself to the particular circumstances of his state»
inflicting exile or death on some; uniting others in marriage,
is still the perfectly wise philosopher with his eye fixed on the
pattern in the heavens. Contemplation and action are not
sundered: the knowledge of the universal truth is not sup-
posed to hinder the individual application®.
11. Socratic and Pythagorean Elements.
a. Continuance of the Socratic Spirit. The question here
treated by the Stranger, after being proposed by Socrates, is
almost identical with some of those with which, according to
Xenophon, the real Socrates was most engaged: τί πόλις ; τί
πολιτικός ; τί ἀρχὴ ἀνθρώπων ; τί ἀρχικὸς ἀνθρώπων; And
though his method of search on these topics, as recorded in
the Memorabilia, is much simpler than that here used, it is
evident that Plato has im many instances only followed up the
hints given by his master.
There is, first, the postulate on which the whole dialogue
proceeds, that statesmanship is a science, that knowledge
ought to govern. You would not doubt, says Socrates, whe-
ther to place a skilful or unskilful pilot at the helm (1. 1, 9):
nor would you choose a pilot, or a carpenter, or a flute-player,
as you do your rulers, by casting lots (I. 2,9). (Cf. Polit. 258
Ὁ, 290 e, 292 Ὁ, 298.)
e “And therefore the speculation that all things by a scale did ascend to
was excellent in Parmenides and Plato, Unity.’”—Bacon.
though in them only a speculation,
TO THE STATESMAN.
Xvil
2. The image of a herdsman, under which the king is at
first conceived, common enough certainly in poetry, was one
which Socrates delighted to use. “It is a bad herdsman
(βοῶν ἀγέλης νομεύς) who makes the number of the cattle less,”
was his well-known censure of the thirty tyrants (I. 2, 32).
The coincidence of language here is enough to justify the sup-
position that there is some connexion of thought: although
Plato evidently thinks that there are cases where taking the
heads of citizens may be a purgation of the common weal.
(261 ἃ alib., 293 ἃ.)
3. The distinction of the king and tyrant in Mem. IV. 6,
12‘, is nearly the same with that which Plato accepts pro-
visionally at one stage of the dialogue (277 d); and the same
passage of Xenophon’ expresses what Plato speaks of as the
commonly received mode of characterizing the several forms
of government (291 6). The thought however is here so ob-
vious that it would not be safe to lay much stress on this
coincidence, if taken alone.
4. The general and the judge (στρατηγικός, δικαστικός) are
named by Socrates as next in dignity to the statesman (πολιτι-
Mem. II. 6, 38. Cf. Polit. 305.
But the chief traces of the historical Socrates in this dia-
logue, as in the Sophistes, are the method of definition by
exclusions, and the use of common examples to suggest hypo-
theses: both much extended, and if not systematized, yet
made the objects of reflection and theory; but in their en-
larged features bearing unmistakeably the marks of their first
origin. (See Sophist. sub. init., note on Σωκράτης.)
Turning from the Socrates of Xenophon to the Platonic
Socrates, we find a passage of the Euthydemus, in which the
KOS).
£ Βασιλείαν δὲ καὶ τυραννίδα ἀρχὰς
μὲν ἀμφοτέρας ἡγεῖτο εἶναι, διαφέρειν
δὲ ἀλλήλων ἐνόμιζε. τὴν μὲν γὰρ ἑκόν-
των τε τῶν ἀνθρώπων καὶ κατὰ νόμους
τῶν πόλεων ἀρχὴν, βασιλείαν ἡγεῖτο"
τὴν δὲ ἀκόντων καὶ μὴ κατὰ νόμους,
ἀλλ᾽ ὅπως 6 ἄρχων βούλοιτο, τυραν-
νίδα.
& Καὶ ὅπου μὲν ἐκ τῶν τὰ νόμιμα
ἐπιτελούντων αἱ ἀρχαὶ καθίστανται,
ταύτην τὴν πολιτείαν ἀριστοκρατίαν
ἐνόμιζεν εἶναι ὅπου δ᾽ ἐκ τιμημάτων,
πλουτοκρατίαν᾽ ὅπου δ᾽ ἐκ πάντων δη-
μοκρατίαν.
h Mem. I. 2,37: ᾿Αλλὰ τῶνδέ τοι
σε ἀπέχεσθαι ὦ Σώκρατες, δεήσει, τῶν
σκυτέων καὶ τῶν τεκτόνων καὶ τῶν
χαλκέων: καὶ γὰρ οἶμαι αὐτοὺς ἤδη
κατατετρίῖφθαι διαθρυλλουμένους ὑπὸ
σοῦ ΝΣ καὶ τῶν βουκόλων γε. Cf.
Gorg. 401 a, Sympos, 221 6.
“id
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question here solved by the Stranger is raised, but, Socratico
more, is left unanswered. Some of the elements of the inquiry
are, however, the same as here, and the passage has nearly
the same relation to this dialogue which the opening chapters
of the Protagoras have to the Sophist. (Kuthyd. 289-291.)
« An art is required which can both make and enable us to
use rightly what is made. The art of speech-making is not
this, because the speech-maker is often different from the
speaker. Nor generalship, for that is a kind of hunting: and
the huntsman often does not use what he catches, but delivers
them to others, and so the general yields up his prey to the
statesman. Let us try then the art of the statesman, or the
king. Here we fall into a labyrinth of inquiry (ὥσπερ εἰς
λαβύρινθον ἐμπεσόντες, οἰόμενοι ἤδη ἐπὶ τέλει εἶναι, περικάμ-
ψαντες πάλιν ὥσπερ ἐν ἀρχῇ τῆς ζητήσεως ἀνεφάνημεν ὄντες, καὶ
τοῦ ἴσου δεόμενοι, ὅσουπερ ὅτε τὸ πρῶτον ἐσκοποῦμεν). Tor
when it is admitted that all the other arts yield over their
productions to the political or royal art (which are the same),
and that this art, by determining the use of everything, is the
pilot and saviour of the state, the question rises, what is her
peculiar work ?
“According to a previous agreement, this must be knowledge
of some kind, and this excludes wealth, freedom, peace, and
the like. Say, then, she makes the citizens wise. In what
knowledge does she make them wise, and what use will they
make of their wisdom? ‘Thus the original question returns
in a new form.”
The thing sought for here is the same which the Politicus
professes to find, an absolute principle of life: a speculative
truth which is also the consummation of practical good: a
commanding theory. It was this which Socrates spent his
life in seeking: of which he confessed his ignorance, while he
declared life to be intolerable if it were not known. The
political problem is only a particular instance of the eternal
question, what is true and good?
There is also considerable likeness in the manner of search.
And here it may be remarked that the specializing or indi-
vidualizing effort described in the previous section is a genuine
continuation of the work of Socrates, whose pertinacity in
sticking like a gad-fly to his respondent is most conspicuous,
TO THE STATESMAN. XIX
where he forces men by a fresh question from some generality
in which they would gladly rest (dpyovoa—rl ἀπεργάζεται ;
—riva δὴ ἐπιστήμην ; ἣ τί χρησόμεθα :)
The chief difference is that the Eleatic Stranger works out
an answer to the question, which Socrates asked of Kuthyde-
mus and his brother in vain: not however to the final question,
which Socrates, if true to his vocation, would have still pressed
upon the Stranger, though the problem in the present case
was more limited than in the former. But this difficulty, like
that about the nature of virtue, is evaded rather than solved
by the more complex notion of the state, whose members
have not all the same office.
As im the Republic there is found a place for a virtue in
harmony with reason although lower than reason, so here a
place is found for political happiness (καθ᾽ ὅσον εὐδαίμονι
πέφυκε γίγνεσθαι πόλει). All free citizens are to be trained
so as to think correctly of what is noble, just, and good, and
to give a reason of their opinion (μετὰ βεβαιώσεως). But with
the rulers or law-givers alone exists that perfect consciousness
which is the fountain of right action for the state, and whose
will determines in accordance with reason the use to be made
of all possessions (ὅσα ἔχεται κτήσεως). Other parallels might
be drawn (e.g. from Gorg. 517), shewing that the spirit of
Socrates is still working under the Eleatic mask: and if the
Socratic humour no longer makes perpetual skirmishes, it
lurks in ambush to take the reader by surprise, and is occa-
sionally transformed by the intensity of Plato’s mood into an
almost savage irony. The writer knew well how laughable
was his picture of all things growing backwards in the golden
age; nor could Swift have wished for more than to demonstrate
the close relationship between mankind and the pig.
There is the very genius of satire in the picture of the self-
exaltation of the crane, who looks on man as an inferior
animal; and in the lofty scorn with which the philosopher
professes ignorance of the motley throng of satyrs and centaurs,
who are in fact no other than the princes and potentates of
this world.
Briefly, the object which Socrates set before himself and
others, Plato, when he wrote this dialogue, believed himself
partially to have attained—the science of truth and good: to
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Socrates an ideal only, dwarfing to nothing all actual know-
ledge; to Plato an ideal ever in process of realization through
the activity of reason, when awakened by dialectic to perceive
the existence and follow the relations of ideas.
b. Pythagorean influence. Wherever Plato, especially in
his later dialogues, affirms anything respecting the order of
nature, the destiny of the soul, or the fabric of the state,
there is reason to suspect the influence, more or less controlled
by dialectic, of Pythagorean notions. To a great extent he
used these merely as forms of imagination through which he
could give more lively expression to his thoughts, but there
can be no doubt that this scientific mysticism had an increas-
ine charm for his mind, and had a still greater ascendancy
over his immediate followers. It is less generally admitted
that his dialectic also had a Pythagorean element, and yet it
seems far from improbable that, as he strengthened his belief
in the flux of phenomena by the study of Heraclitus and
Protagoras, and learnt from Parmenides to trust in the fixity
of ideas, so in the “struggle towards the concrete,” of which
the argument of the Politicus is an important step, he may
have been assisted by reading in Philolaus of the eternal
Harmony, whereby the Limit was impressed on the Unlimited,
to the production of a beautiful world. It was seen, in com-
menting on the Thezetetus (p. 201), that the philosophers who
said there was no knowledge of the Simple, but only of the
Complex, were probably Pythagorean. The word κοινωνία,
by which the correlation of ideas is expressed in the Sophist,
occurs in a place of the Gorgias where the Pythagorean
colouring is evident (Gorg. 507 e—508 a). The μεθέξις of
the Parmenides is the μίμασις of the Pythagoreans. And in
the Philebus the κόσμος τις ἀσώματος (πέρας, ἄπειρον, μικτόν,
αἰτία, μέτρον), which forms the spring and framework of the
dialogue, is of a no less unmistakeable character.
In the present dialogue there occurs a direct criticism of
Pythagorean doctrine which affords a good illustration of
Plato’s manner of dealing with the philosophies which most
influenced him. The Stranger is led incidentally to defend
the tediousness of the “longer way,” whose object is not to
give pleasure, or to obtain a speedy result, but to enlighten
the reason. He does so by distinguishing that which is too
τω
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TO THE STATESMAN. xxi
much from that which is more; a distinction which had
escaped even those philosophers who ayerred that the science
of measurement embraces all things. They led the way to
a great truth, which for want of dialectic they could not
work out. It is true that without measure all arts would be
destroyed, but there are two kinds of measure, one simply
relative, another, which is the secret of production, having
reference to the standard of what is meet. Here the Pytha-
gorean doctrine of numbers is brought into contact with the
Socratic ethical idea‘. Aristotle would have said that certain
thinkers acknowledged the formal, but ignored the final cause.
In this passage, as perhaps in the Philebus, 44 ὁ, the Pytha-
goreans are employed as “ diviners” to point the way to the
spring which Plato himself must open.
We pass from this manifest allusion to some less certain
Andications that Plato was at this time playing with the
weapons of this school. There need hardly be mentioned the
ludicrous mathematical definition of man as a biped; or the
doctrine of metempsychosis, or the astronomy passing into
cosmology. We may confine our attention to points less
obvious than these.
The Pythagoreans were the only pre-Socratic school who
set themselves to raise human life towards an ideal standard*.
It can hardly be doubted that they had moral and political
doctrines in the fourth century B.C. But the few fragments
of Philolaus which remain are of a metaphysical and cosmical
turn. We know from Herodotus and Xenophanes that Pytha-
goras taught the immortality and transmigration of the soul;
from Plato that his followers observed a certain rule of life;
and the language of Philolaus, always full of religious fervour,
appears to recognize the Unity of the Supreme Being!. The
Pythagorean fragments even of the age immediately succeed-
ing Plato are of doubtful authority, and are so tinged with
Platonism, that, even if genuine, their value is diminished for
i Compare a saying of Socrates him-
self in the Memorabilia advising μετρι-
érys in the study of λογισμοί, and cf.
Legg. 4, 719 6, σοὶ δ᾽ οὐχ οὕτω ῥητέον
two points, which both appear in this
dialogue—in the mode of teaching by
parable (δι᾽ ὁμοιωμάτων) and in religious
mysticism.
ὡς νῦν εἶπες τὸ μέτριον εἰπών. ἀλλὰ τί 1 ἐντὶ γὰρ 6 ἁγεμὼν καὶ ἄρχων ἅπάν-
τὸ μέτριον καὶ ὁπόσον ἡητέον.
k They coincided with Socrates in
τῶν θεὸς εἷς ἀεὶ ἐών, μόνιμος, ἀκίνατος,
αὐτὸς αὑτῷ ὁμοῖος, ἅτερος τῶν ἄλλων.
ΧΧῚῚ INTRODUCTION
our present purpose. But it seems probable on the whole
that the school at the earlier period of which we speak
combined a ceremonial asceticism with a noble and elevating
morality.
We know that such was the ethical teaching of Empedocles,
who was a Pythagorean in this respect, and who at one time
erles,
Οὐ πέλεται τοῖς μὲν θεμιτὸν τόδε, τοῖς δ᾽ ἀθέμιστον"
ἀλλὰ τὸ μὲν πάντων νόμιμον διά τ᾽ εὐρυμέδοντος
αἰθέρος ἠνεκέως τέταται, διά τ’ ἀπλέτου αὐγῆς,
and presently, with still greater vehemence,
Δειλοί, πανδειλοί, κυάμων ἄπο χεῖρας ἔχεσθεϊα !
1. The idea of an infinite past, and of great cycles of time,
which took such hold of Plato’s imagination, and which he
himself refers to an Egyptian source, was probably common
to him with the Pythagoreans, and if not derived from them,
must have been strengthened by their teaching. According
to Porphyry (V. Pyth. 19), “ Pythagoras” taught that all
events took place in cycles and there was nothing new: ὅτι
κατὰ περιόδους τινὰς τὰ γιγνόμενά ποτε πάλιν γίγνεται, νέον δ᾽
οὐδὲν ἁπλῶς ἐστι. The bearing of this on the “ great mythe”
is sufficiently evident.
2. Plato also held in common with them, and may have
partly received from them, a strong sense of the inevitable
prevalence of evil in the world. It is not likely that he
derived this from Socrates, who complained not of evil but of
ignorance, and who refrained from cosmical speculation: and
this vein of reflection is deepest in his latest works.
Theophrastus (Met. 9. Ritter and Preller, 110) speaks of
Plato and the Pythagoreans as being at one on this subject.
“The nature of the whole, they say, would be impossible
without the existence of an absolute formlessness and indefi-
niteness and disorder (cf. Polit. 273 d, εἰς τὸν τῆς ἀνομοιότητος
ἄπειρον ὄντα τόπον δύῃ), which they oppose to the combination
of the indefinite dyad and the One. This disorder has as it
m Tt is perhaps worth notice that ποιουμένους ἐκείνου μαθητὰς εἶναι μᾶλ -
the σιωπὴ of the Pythagoreans was in λον σιγῶντας θαυμάζουσιν ἢ τοὺς ἐπὶ
some shape contemporary with Plato. τῷ λέγειν μεγίστην δόξαν ἔχοντα.
See Isocrates Busir. 29, τοὺς προσ-
TO THE STATESMAN. XXxlil
were an equal share with the other nature, or even exceeds it.
Hence even God cannot be supposed able to bring all things to
perfection ; but, if he be the cause of things, this is only so far
as nature admits. And perhaps he would not choose to do
so, since there must follow an annihilation of Being, which is
composed of opposites.”
This passage, although probably describing at second-hand
a theory not clearly understood, sufficiently proves that the
prevalence of imperfection was a difficulty much discussed by
the semi-Pythagoreans of the Academy ; and it is this difficulty
which suggests to Plato’s imagination the occasional dereliction
of the world by God. He modifies Pythagorean optimism,
by bringing into prominence another side of their theory.
The disorder out of which the whole was brought into the
present order, the breaking out again of this disorder so as
almost to bring Chaos back again, the fear that but for Divine
interposition the world might founder in the “ infinite abyss
of dissimilitude,” are touches vividly recalling this doctrine.
The Politicus contains another trace of this ἄμορφος φύσις,
which it would appear trifling to notice, did not the dialogue
itself warn us that the commonest things may be examples of
great ideas. This is the mention of raw material amongst the
seven kinds of possessions (288, 9), with the remarkable
appellation τὸ mpwroyevés εἶδος : (compare the πρωτογένεια of
the Orphic Hymns). This, and the well-known passage of the
Timeus, are the chief anticipations in Plato of the Aristotelian
material cause.
3. The doctrine of transmigration was naturally connected
with the prohibition of animal food and a higher than the
ordinary estimate of the relation of the lower animals to man.
In the passage of Porphyry already quoted, it is said that
“ Pythagoras taught” that all animal life is kindred: ὅτι
πάντα τὰ γιγνόμενα ἔμψυχα ὁμογενῆ δεῖ νομίζειν. It is true
that every later testimony on this subject, when philosophy
had been leavened by the direct influence of Egypt and the
East, must be received with caution®; but if this doctrine
1 The often-quoted lines of Xeno- _ still nearer (364,5): ἐνθ᾽ ἦσαν κτίλα
phanes, about Pythagoras and the dog, πάντα καὶ ἀνθρώποισι προσηνῆ φῆρές
shew, however, something of a similar 7° οἰωνοί τε, φιλοφροσύνη τε δεδήει.
tendency. And Empedocles comes
XXIV INTRODUCTION
existed, Plato has used it (1) to point his irony, by telling us
not hastily to distinguish man from the beasts, some of whom
perhaps regard him with the same contempt with which he
looks on them; and (2) to adorn his tale by the circumstance
of man confabulating with the other creatures, when “ there
was nothing wild.”
That abstinence from the flesh of animals was not unknown
in Greece, at least in the way of tradition and theory, is cer-
tain from a remark of Plato’s on the “ Orphic” way of life
(Lege. 6, 782 6), and from the lines in which Empedocles vehe-
mently condemns the opposite practice, on the ground that so
men are devouring their own fiesh and blood®. (Compare
Aristoph. Ran. 1032”.) And it is probable that Plato alludes
to this when he says that the creatures did not eat each other
in the golden age (οὐκ ἣν ἄγριον οὐδὲν οὐδὲ ἀλλήλων ἐδωδαί).
Another prohibition, having evidently the same origin, and
ascribed by Herodotus to the Pythagoreans in common with
the Orphic mystics and the Egyptians, was that against bury-
ing in wool.
Closely allied to these Orphic notions is the idea of purifica-
tion (καθαρμὸς), of which there are several applications in this
dialogue and in the Sophist. (Soph. 226 d; Polit. 293 d, 303
d, 308 c,d. Compare the Pheedo.) Thus the idea of division
or separation as well as that of combination (διάκρισις as well
as σύγκρισις) had a root in the speculations of this school.
4. It remains to notice the most important, but unfortu-
nately the most doubtful, of the points at which this dialogue
touches on Pythagoreanism. The fancies hitherto mentioned
belong to morals and religion. Must not a school which
aimed at influencing states have had a political theory, how-
ever simple?
© Μορφὴν δ᾽ ἀλλάξαντα πατὴρ φίλον υἱὸν ἀείρας
σφάζει ἐπευχόμενος, μέγα νήπιος᾽ ὃς δὲ πορεῦται
λισσόμενος θύοντ᾽" 68 ἀνηκούστησεν ὅὁμοκλέων
σφάξας δ᾽ ἐν μεγάροισι κακὴν ἀλεγύνατο δαῖτα.
ὡς δ᾽ αὕτως πατέρ᾽ υἱὸς ἑλὼν καὶ μητέρα παῖδες,
θυμὸν ἀπορραίσαντε, φίλας κατὰ σάρκας ἔδουσιν"
Οὐ παύσεσθε φόνου δυσηχέος ; οὖκ ἐσορᾶτε
᾿Αλλήλους δάπτοντες ἀκηδείησι νόοιο ;—Hmp. Καθαρμοί.
P Ορφεὺς μὲν γὰρ τελετάς θ᾽ ἡμῖν κατέδειξε φόνων T ἀπέχεσθαι.
TO THE STATESMAN. XXV
Stobzeus has preserved three fragments from a work
Kephantus of Syracuse on Royalty (περὶ βασιλείας) containing
an ideal picture of the true king. Very similar fragments
are quoted by him from works on the same subject by Dioto-
genes the Pythagorean and Sthenidas the Locrian. These
are all later than Plato, and betray the influence of his teach-
ing; but they display with great consistency a phase of
Pythagoreanism which is at least interesting in connexion
with the present dialogue. The true king is pictured as a
kind of God on earth: having the same relation to his sub-
jects which the Supreme Being has to the Cosmos, surveying
them from above with an eye of wisdom (cf. Soph. 216 d),
having for them the same affection which a father has towards
his son, or a shepherd towards his flock, and being revered
by them as the law is revered by those who use it. The city
“imitates” the world and the king imitates the ruler of the
world.
Ἔχει δὲ ὡς θεὸς ποτὶ κόσμον βασιλεὺς ποτὶ πόλιν, καὶ ὡς πόλις
μ ’
ποτὶ κόσμον βασιλεὺς ποτὶ θεόν. “A μὲν γὰρ πόλις ἐκ πολλῶν Kal
διαφερόντων συναρμοσθεῖσα κόσμω σύνταξιν καὶ ἁρμονίαν μεμί-
ie Ν Ἂν 2) SS Υ̓ 5 - \ SEN δ ’ὔ
μαται, ὁ δὲ βασιλεὺς ἀρχὰν ἔχων ἀνυπεύθυνον καὶ αὐτὸς ὧν νόμος
Bs \ 3 5 ὔ , , , >
ἔμψυχος, θεὸς ἐν ἀνθρώποις παρεσχημάτισται. ---- Θεόμιμόν ἐντι
πρᾶγμα βασιλεία. (Diotog. περὶ βασιλείας. Mullach. Fragm.
PP- 534-5-)
Χρὴ τὸν βασιλέα σοφὸν ἣμεν' οὕτω γὰρ ἐσεῖται ἀντίἴτιμος καὶ
N “ / an Ὁ Ν Ν 4, " Ν \ °
ζηλωτὰς TO πράτω θεῶ. Οὗτος yap Kal φύσι ἐντὶ καὶ πρᾶτος
βασιλεύς τε καὶ δυνάστας, ὁ δὲ γενέσι καὶ μιμάσι; καὶ 6 μὲν ἐν
2 \ Δ δ᾽ ε SN c \ ε Ν SEN S f
τῷ παντὶ καὶ ὅλῳ, ὁ δὲ ἐπὶ γᾶς, Kal ὁ μὲν ἀεὶ τὰ πάντα διοι-
Cay Ν ’ IEEN 3 Ca / Ν c 379
κεῖ Te Kal ζώει αὐτὸς ἐν αὑτῷ κεκταμένος τὴν σοφίαν, ὃ δ᾽ ἐν
χρόνῳ ἐπιστάμαν". (Sthenidas Locrus, περὶ βασιλείας. Ibid.
Ρ. 536.) os) ἢ , ἱ :
Ἔκ τούτων κοινὸν ἀγαθὸν εὐαρμοστία τις καὶ τῶν πολλῶν
fal ,
ὁμοφωνία μετὰ πειθοῦς συναδοίσας. Ὃ κατ᾽ ἀρετὰν ἐξάρχων καλέ-
7 ἊΝ ΝΟ ’, ν λίι Ν ’,ὔ
εταί τε βασιλεὺς καὶ ἔντι, ταύταν ἔχων φιλίαν τε καὶ κοινωνίαν
ποτὶ τὼς ὑπ᾽ αὔταυτον, ἅνπερ 6 θεὸς ποτί τε τὸν κόσμον καὶ τὰ ἐν
/ a
αὐτῷ: “Oday δὲ τὰν εὔνοιαν χρὴ παρασκευάζεσθαι πρᾶτον μὲν
- / 7 rn
παρὰ TO βασιλέως ἐς τὼς βασιλευομένως, δεύτερον δὲ Tapa τῶνδε
a Compare with this the θεῖος λόγος of the Phiedo, 85 d: also the Parmenides,
134 ¢.
2
ΧΡ
XXV1 INTRODUCTION
, Ἂν / ε ’ὔ \ εἰ \ ἈΝ
ἐς τὸν βασιλέα, ὁποία γεννάτορος ποτὶ υἱέα καὶ ποτὶ ποίμναν
/ \ , \ / .} fad Ἃ ᾿ \
νομέως Kal νόμω ποτὶ χρωμένως αὐτῷ. (Kephantus, περὶ βασι-
;
λείας. Ibid. p. 537.)
r Ν Μ > /
X6 μὲν θεὸς οὔτε διακόνως ἔχων οὔτε ὑπαρέτας οὔτ᾽ αὖ προστάξι
Ν “ BE) ‘ / A
τινὶ χρώμενος οὐδὲ στεφανῶν ἢ ἀναγορεύων τὼς πειθομένως ἢ
5 / ΩΝ “» / wv 5 > “" 7ὔ ny fy
ἀτιμάζων τὼς ἀπειθέοντας-----ἄρχει----ἀλλ᾽ οἶμαι παρέχων ἀξιομί-
- - lel con € “
ματον ἑωυτὸν ζᾶλον ἐντίθητι πᾶσι τῆς αὑτῷ φύσιος.... Ὁ ὃ
. a n f
ἐπίγῃος Tap ἁμῖν βασιλεὺς πῶς οὐχ ὁμοίως αὐταρκής ; ἀπεικάζων
Ν ε δ “ / Ν
τε γὰρ αὑτόν, ἑνὶ ἂν ἀπεικάσειε τῷ κρατίστῳ, καὶ πάντες ἑαυτὼς
na 5 9? ὁ
πειρώμενοι τούτῳ ὁμοιοῦν βασιλικοὶ ἔσονται" τὰ δ᾽ ὅσα βίας καὶ
ἀνάγκας ἐντὶ τῶν ὑποτεταγμένων, ἐνίοτε ἑκάστῳ τὰν περὶ τὰν
μίμασιν προθυμίαν ἀφαιρέεται: χωρὶς εὐνοίας γὰρ ἀμάχανον ἐξο-
ἴω ΄ c
μοιωθῆναι, ἃ μάλιστα πάντων ἀφανίζει τὸ φοβερόν. “Qs εἴθε ἣν
fad 5» 7 7 \ b) Ν \ Ν a
τὰς ἀνθρωπίνας φύσιος δυνατὸν ἀφελὲν τὸ καὶ πειθοῦς τινας
δέεσθαι. .. . . ἐπειδήπερ πειθὼ ἔργον τί ἐντι παροικέον ἀνάγκᾳ"
, Ν oy Te eon ISEN / / 5) / ,
πράτα yap ad αὑτᾶς αὐτὰ κατεργάζεται τάπερ ἐκείναν διέφυγαν.
/ ’ na “ lat lo ΄σ
“Ὅσα δ᾽ αὐτοφυῶς τῷ καλῷ χρῆται, τούτοις οὐδεμία πειθοῦς αἰδώς"
t μ
ἐπειδήπερ οὐδὲ φόβος ἀνάγκας. ᾿Βνεργάσαιτο δ᾽ ἂν μόνος 6
βασιλεὺς ἀνθρώπω φύσει καὶ τόδε τὸ ἀγαθόν, ὡς διὰ μίμασιν
αὐτῶ τῷ κρέσσονος ποτὶ τὸ δέον ἕπεσθαι. (Ibid. p. 538.) There
is much more to the same purport.
Now are we to suppose that this somewhat crude represen-
tation of what ought to be (resembling perhaps suspiciously
in some features the Stoical wise man) is merely a caricature
of Plato’s philosopher-king, or had both pictures an ante-
cedent in Pythagorean teaching ? However this may be, there
is no mistaking the strong lhkeness between the ideal herein
absolutely set forth, and that which Plato in the Politicus,
according to his manner of treating contemporary views, first
states, then gently sets aside, and in the sequel utilizes in a
modified form. ‘‘ In speaking of the king as the shepherd of
his people, we borrowed the image of majesty from a theo-
cratic time. Yet the true statesman is he who rules with
knowledge, and harmonizes the state, bringing together
the diverse elements of good, and rejecting the bad. He
who does this not merely imitates but reproduces the divine
image.”
On the above data, imperfect as they are, I hazard the
following conjecture: That the idea of the rightful sovereignty
TO THE STATESMAN. XXVI
of wisdom existed in the Pythagorean school before Plato.
That Plato’s Republic, partly inspired by this, had given a
fresh impulse to the same line of thought amongst the Pytha-
gorizing students of the Academy; and that Plato, having
in the Sophistes criticized the speculative idealism of these
friends of his, being himself perhaps somewhat désillusionné,
proceeds to call in question their equally premature idealism
in politics: shewing, first, that a ‘paternal government ”
does not secure happiness unless it rouse intelligence; and,
secondly, that you must “first catch” your ideal king before
you can apply your theory to practice.
Even if this conjecture should prove baseless, it will hardly
be questioned that the analogy which is more than hinted
between the Cosmos and the State (6 ξυμμιμούμενοι καὶ συνε-
πόμενοι K.T.\.—274 4), the “ purification” of the body politic,
and the harmony of divers elements in the web of social life,
are notions having a near affinity to Pythagorean teaching.
Nor would it be rash to affirm the same of the theory of
opposite virtues, which is certainly not Socratic, and is in-
troduced as an unusual saying (οὐκ εἰωθότα λόγον οὐδαμῶς---
306 b).
Speaking generally, the most obvious affinities to Pytha-
goreanism in Plato’s later writings are, 1. An increasingly
religious spirit. 2. Intense interest in all scientific inquiries,
to which the name φιλοσοφία" is now applied. 3. The treat-
ment of ethical questions (as in the Philebus) from a cosmical
point of view. 4. The prevalence of the ideas of harmony,
rhythm, and the like, especially in their application to morals
and politics.
But the Socratic spirit, or rather the mind of Plato
awakened long since by Socrates, shines through the cloud
of Pythagorean fancies (not that these were without intelli-
gence), and reduces them to just proportions by the dry light
of reason, while his imagination turns all that it touches into
gold. If we could compare the Politicus with an entire
writing of Philolaus, Eudoxus, or Speusippus, the probability
is that we should find the difference immense: νοῦν ἔχοντας
ἔνδον τούτους μόνους εὑρήσεις TOV λόγων.
τ Tim. 88 ὁ : μουσικῇ καὶ πάσῃ φιλοσοφίᾳ. Theeet.143 d: γεωμετρικὴν ἥ τινα
ἄλλην φιλοσοφίαν.
ἐδ ὦ
XXVIIl INTRODUCTION
We now turn from these preliminaries to examine Plato’s
thoughts as they are presented to us in this dialogue. And
here there are three topics which chiefly call for remark: the
fable of Cronos; the description of existing constitutions, and,
in connexion with this, the theory of legislation.
Ill. The Myth.
This is not the place for discussing, except incidentally, the
nature of Plato’s myths as a general feature of his writings.
But the solution of several questions which are suggested by
this particular tale may perhaps throw some light on the wider
problem.
(1) What is the motive for interrupting the argument with
this narrative? (2) In how far, or in what sense, does Plato
believe in the truth of his own story? (3) Is there any humour
mingled with the apparent solemnity of tone? (4) What are
the precise ideas to whose working this imaginative creation
is due? (5) Can these ideas be reconciled with those which
Plato has elsewhere expressed ? (6) What effect has the
narration in determining the course of argument which is
pursued in the remainder of the dialogue?
(1.) The chief motive of the fable is to recal the mind from
resting in a merely abstract ideal. “ We are not living in the
golden age :” that is, in forming our conception of true states-
manship we must take account of the imperfect conditions of
the actual world. In order to impress this lesson, the simple
notion of one who should feed his flock like a shepherd is
drawn out at length, embodied in a tale, and associated with
a state of innocence and ease, before man eat bread by the
sweat of his brow, when all creatures lived in harmony. And
still further to point the contrast between the ideal and actual,
the gates of this Eden are closed by the story of a change or
fall, not caused by any antecedent sin or curse, but by the
necessity inherent in created things. An air of probability
and even of historic truth is given to this strange fiction, by
finding in it an explanation of several fragments of early
mythological tradition.
The Stranger admits that he has allowed himself to ex-
tend his fable beyond what was necessary for the argu-
TO THE STATESMAN. ΧΧΙΧ
ment. Hence there is no reason why every detail should be
made to square with the main design. lato, as is his wont,
passes at once from the immediate question to the more
general one, of which it is a part; from the imperfect con-
ditions of human government to the origin and necessity of
evil; so that the cosmical features of the myth grow out of
proportion to the political. But the language with which
the myth is introduced and the after-comment leave no doubt
as to the purpose for which it is inserted. ‘ The king, unlike
other herdsmen, has many rivals, who likewise feed the flock.”
“The reason of this difficulty is that our definition confounds
the king with the Divine shepherd, whereas the statesman of
our age cannot in any sense be a nourisher of his people.”
As the tale proceeds, there is developed a further lesson:
namely, that the simple ideal of a state of innocence is not
only impracticable but incomplete; that a βίος τέλειος, a life
under perfect conditions, is not necessarily the happiest life.
The question is how the life is used: the philosophic spirit
is the one essential of true happiness: even one whose choice
of a life has been restricted, may, if he use opportunity with
all his might, have a tolerable existence (καὶ τελευταίῳ ἐπιόντι,
ξὺν νῷ ἑλομένῳ, συντόνως ζῶντι κεῖται Bios ἀγαπητός, οὐ KaKds—
Rep. 10, 619 Ὁ) : though if the children of Cronos used their
golden time rightly, no doubt they were far happier than we
can be. (Cf. Rep. 6, 497 a: ᾿Αλλά τοι, ἢ δ᾽ ὅς, od τὰ ἐλάχιστα
ἂν διαπραξάμενος ἀπαλλάττοιτο. Οὐδέ γέ, εἶπον, τὰ μέγιστα, μὴ
τυχὼν πολιτείας προσηκούσης" ἐν γὰρ τῇ προσηκούσῃ αὐτός τε
μᾶλλον αὐξήσεται καὶ μετὰ τῶν ἰδίων τὰ κοινὰ σώσει.)
Plato has shewn in two other passages that an ideal formed
by abstracting from existing evils is no sufficient help towards
the conception of political or moral excellence; that virtue is
not to be sought in the unconscious innocence of childhood ;—
once in describing the simple or primitive state in the Republic,
Glaucon’s “city of pigs,’ where ‘man’s life is cheap as
beast’s,” and again in the endeavour to conceive the origin of
society at the opening of the third book of the Laws. But
in the former description man needs defence against the in-
clemency of winter, is not exempt from work, and answers to
the definition of a cooking animal, though his cooking is of the
simplest. In the latter the mountain shepherds whom the
XXX INTRODUCTION
flood of Deucalion spared to be a sort of germ of future
humanity, living peacefully together because they had few
companions and there was enough for all, when there were
neither poor nor rich, nor insolence, nor injustice, nor envy,
but simplicity and good faith, are not set forth as an ideal,
though they are said to be better than men after them, but
are pictured in order to assist the conception of the origin of
law, by imagining a previous state of “patriarchal” govern-
ment in which the habits and traditions of each family were
supreme. Legislation became necessary when these clashed
in the early life of cities’.
Here, on the other hand, Plato has given his fancy free scope
to revel in the details of a spontaneous universal life: where
there is no unsatisfied longing, no effort, no pangs of birth,
no crying of the infant “that he is come to this great stage
of fools',’ no old age, no flesh that sees corruption: the more
unlike his picture is to present realities, the better he attains
his end, by enforcing the necessity (however unwelcome, Legg.
803 Ὁ, ἔστι δὴ τοίνυν τὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων πράγματα μεγάλης μὲν
σπουδῆς οὐκ ἄξια, ἀναγκαῖόν γε μὴν σπουδάζειν, τοῦτο δὲ οὐκ
εὐτυχές) of adapting inquiry as well as practical effort to the
actual lot of man. And by adding a few extravagant or even
grotesque touches, he gives play to his humour, and gently
ridicules those who were content to rest in the simple unap-
plied conception of a paternal king.
The substance of the myth is therefore very similar to the
remark in the Lysis: “ Supposing evil to be done away,
would there be no more hunger or thirst or anything of the
kind ; or would there be hunger, as inseparable from animal
life, but no longer hurtful; and thirst and other desires, but
without bringing harm; or is it absurd to ask what would
happen or not happen then, for who can tell? But one thing
we know, that, in our present state, hunger and other desires
are sometimes productive of evil, but may sometimes be a
means of good.”
(2.) A recent writer on the Myths of Plato" says not only
s A nearer parallel from the Laws Κλαῦσά τε kal κώκυσα, ἰδὼν ἀσυνη-
will be quoted presently. θέα χῶρον.
* Compare with this of Shakspeare u Mr. Westcott in the Contemporary
the fragment of Empedocles, 1. 13, Review for June, 1866.
ΤῸ THE STATESMAN. XXX1
that “ Plato claims that his myths are above all true in
spirit ;’ and that “the central idea of the myth is affirmed
absolutely ;” but also that “in some cases the whole story is
distinctly asserted to be historical’.’ “He” (Plato) “ dis-
claims in fact the title Myth in a disparaging sense for the
stories to which we now apply it. They are,” he says, “ real
narratives (λόγοι) and not myths*, and where he does use the
word, he still maintains the existence of a substantial basis of
fact for such myths as admit of an historical test’.” The
same writer adduces in proof of this the care with which
Plato in the Republic apologizes for his “ Pheenician lie.” Mr.
Grote in a somewhat different tone, but to the same effect,
says of the Critias, ‘“‘ Plato wishes us to believe that the trans-
action is historical. As to particular narratives the line
between truth and fiction was obscurely drawn in his mind.”
These remarks are quoted merely to shew that it is not an
idle question to ask, How far did Plato believe in the literal
truth of the present narration ?
The answer may partly be deduced from two places of the
Republic in which Plato’s own conception of the nature of a
myth is expressed.
a. “ There are two kinds of oral instruction, one false, one
true; and the false must precede the true. For a fable is a
falsehood containing truths.’ He then lays down the rule
for instructive fictions, that they must convey true and just
notions about Divine things and about human life. (Rep. 2,
377°)
b. And one of these true notions about Divine things is,
that God cannot lie: amongst other reasons, because he has
perfect knowledge, and need not have recourse to fables which
he knows to be false, in order to gain an approximate concep-
tion of antiquity, as men are compelled to do (ἐν ταῖς μυθολογίαις
διὰ τὸ μὴ εἰδέναι ὅπῃ τἀληθὲς ἔχει περὶ τῶν παλαιῶν ἀφομοιοῦντες
τῷ ἀληθεῖ τὸ ψεῦδος ὅτι μάλιστα, οὕτω χρήσιμον ποιοῦμεν. Rep.
ΡΟΣ ἢ);
A myth therefore, in the Platonic sense, is a fictitious narra-
tive, (a) conveying true ideas, and (6) in reference to occurrences
v “‘See Timeeus, 20 d, 21 a,d, 26 c. x “Gorgias, 523 a. Compare pp.
x
And so Critias invokes Memory to help 526d, 527 a; Meno, 81 d, e.”
him in relating the whole story.” y “ Politicus, 268 e, 269 a, b.”
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beyond the range of actual knowledge, supplying imagined
probabilites for ascertained facts. The latter is Plato’s version
of the ordinary function of mythology (Critias, p. 110 a, μυθο-
λογία yap ἀναζήτησίς te τῶν παλαιῶν μετὰ σχολῆς ἅμ᾽ ἐπὶ τὰς
πόλεις ἔρχεσθον) : the former is the special condition or limit
which he imposes on its use.
In practice this conception of the myth is further modified,
by the dramatic and poetic form in which Plato’s philosophy
is cast. The myth in the Protagoras, for example, though
closely parallel in some of the details to that in the Politicus,
is meant to convey an idea which Socrates combats and which
Plato evidently does not fully accept. So also the elaborate
myth of Aristophanes in the Symposium contains a phase of
thought about the origin of Love, which is afterwards glanced
at as an hypothesis of little value (Symp. 205 e). And as the
myth is coloured to suit the particular speaker, so it partakes
of the peculiar spirit of the particular dialogue. We hear
nothing in the Pheedrus about the judgment of the dead, nor
in the Republic about the wings of the soul, nor in the Sym-
posium about her previous existence and future life; nor in
the Gorgias about the edict of Lachesis. And if there is not
perfect consistency in these greater matters, there is of course
still more variety in the minor incidents with which Plato’s
fertile imagination when once set to work gives all the distinet-
ness of reality (ἐνάργειαν) to each separate picture. The
harmonist of Piato’s myths would have a task only less
difficult than the rationalist of the old mythology (ἅτε ἀγροικῷ
τινι σοφίᾳ χρώμενος, πολλῆς αὐτῷ σχολῆς δεήσει).
But Plato, like every poet, delights in making his fiction
as like life as possible, and amongst other artifices is the
asseveration of the truth of what is said. When Critias calls
Mnemosyne to his aid, or when Socrates in the boldest part
of the Phedrus says, “ We must speak the truth, especially
since truth is our theme?,” is it possible not to detect a covert
smile? And when the speaker in the Timeus so carefully
traces every link in the chain of tradition by which the tale
of Atlantis had come through Egypt to Solon, and from Solon
to the aged Critias, are we not at once reminded of the words
2 It is of this part that Socrates is somewhat abated, ἔοικε... τὰ μὲν
says afterwards, when his fine frenzy ἄλλα παιδιᾷ πεπαῖσθαι.
TO THE STATESMAN. XXXII
of Phdrus (which by the way have reference to an equally
circumstantial tale), “Ὁ Socrates, you can make Kgyptian
stories or any others with equal ease” ? The words of Socrates
to Callicles, “You will call this a story, but I call it a true
account,” must be interpreted by the remark which follows :
“You will despise this as an old wives’ fable, and indeed it
would be natural to despise my words, if we could find any-
thing better or truer, but in all our inquiries this one principle
remains firm, that we must fly from doing more than from
suffering wrong :” where Socrates insists on the truth, not of
the myth itself, but of the lesson which the myth conveys.
It is probably from the same artistic instinct and with the
same purpose of giving an air of probability to his inventions,
that he founds them, as it is indeed natural he should do,
upon the traditions already familiar to his countrymen. These
formed the common medium through which he could communi-
cate his ideas. He moulds them, indeed, with great ingenuity
to his purposes. Poets had always dealt freely with mythology.
But by appealing to the story of Atreus, or Deucalion, or
Prometheus, for confirmation of some part of his recital, he
seemed to bridge the gulf between the known and unknown.
This practice, as well as the groundwork of Pythagorean
beliefs, with which Plato had, no doubt, strong personal sym-
pathy, gives a degree of consistency to the body of the Platonic
myths which they would not have otherwise. And he assumes
Such an air of simple truthfulness in telling his story, that by this
art concealing art, a certain probability is given to the wildest
imaginations. “ Uncertainties now crown themselves assured.”
It is chiefly in the latest dialogues that the myth is seriously
applied by Plato to the second of the two purposes which he
acknowledges in the Republic, the reproduction of prehistoric
events. There seems to be a transition, or growth, on the
imaginative side of his philosophy corresponding to that
already noticed on the dialectical side: from the abstract to
the concrete, from vague fancies instinct with speculative ideas,
like the procession in the Pheedrus, to supposed facts, like the
war of Athens with Atlantis. He seeks to apply his meta-
physical philosophy, which by this time acknowledged a prin-
ciple of change and production, to the interpretation of the
actual world, and he supplies the defects of experience and
oie
XXX1V INTRODUCTION
observation by the help of imagination. And he claims for
his tales the same degree of truth which he assigns to poetry
(Lege. 3, 682 a): θεῖον yap οὖν δὴ Kal τὸ ποιητικὸν ἐνθεαστικὸν
dv γένος ὑπνῳδοῦν πολλῶν τῶν κατ᾽ ἀλήθειαν γιγνομένων ξύν τισι
Χάρισι καὶ Μούσαις ἐφάπτεται ἑκάστοτε. This tendency may
be illustrated by comparing the Republic, Timeeus, and Laws,
of which the order of sequence is undoubted. The city
founded in the Republic has no local habitation on earth,
unless in some unknown and distant land, “ far enough out of
our ken,” though perhaps such a state may have existed at
some period in the infinite succession of past time. In the
Timeeus and Critias this state is discovered, not far away
in place, but remote in time, the Athens of a forgotten age
contending successfully against a nation who were all that
historical Athens desired to be. The state for which the
Athenian Stranger legislates in the Laws, is a new Cretan
settlement, imaginary of course, but imagined under the
conditions of Plato’s own time.
To return now to the Statesman and to apply some of the
preceding remarks to the myth before us. The main incident,
the change on which all other change depends, is mentioned
nowhere else by Plato. The artistic completeness and unity
of the Great Myth is very striking. Though it differs from
other Platonic myths, it may be said to comprehend them
from a greater imaginative height. He speaks in the Timzeus
of periodic destructions of life upon the earth by earthquake,
fire or flood, and in the Laws the same thing is assumed. But
the reverse movement of the whole universe, the relinguish-
ment of the helm of the great vessel, and the consequent
gradual deterioration of all things, is a conception occurring
nowhere else. Jt is adopted for the occasion, for the enforce-
ment of a particular lesson. The old fable of the autochthones
is one which Plato delights in using. It appears in the Prota-
goras, Symposium, Republic, Sophist, Timeeus, Critias, and
elsewhere. But it is nowhere else imagined that men coming
fullgrown from the earth, go backwards through the stages
of manhood, boyhood, infancy, and so pass away. ‘There is
a picture of a theocracy, founded on the reign of Cronos, in
the Critias and Laws as well as here. But here only the
other animals are placed under Divine superintendence as well
TO THE STATESMAN. XXXV
as man, and a reason is given for the cessation of this form
of government. Again, while here and in the Laws the
Divine guidance is immediate, in the Critias, Hephaestus and
Athena act by creating good men as legislators. These dis-
erepancies are not greater than those previously mentioned,
and therefore cause no suspicion of spuriousness, but they
suffice to shew how little wisdom there would be in taking
Plato’s meaning literally ; or in attributing the care which is
taken to provide a channel through which the tradition may
have been preserved, or the solemn air with which disbelief
is deprecated, to anything but the anxiety of a Defoe or
Swift to make the illusion as complete as possible.
(3.) This leads us to the third question proposed above—Is
there an element of humour in the fable or in the manner of
telling it? If on other grounds we believe Plato to be the
author of the Politicus, we can hardly doubt that there is.
He must have felt the humorousness of making the respondent
answer so promptly to the first statement of the astounding
fact, “‘ All that you say seems extremely probable ;” and he
must have shared the amusement of his reader in contem-
plating the dwindling forms of the earth-born race: just as
Empedocles (however firmly he believed it) must have smiled,
if he had any humour, at his own invention of the κόρσαι
ἀναύχενες, the βραχίονες εὔνιδες ὥμων, the βουγενῆ avdpo-
πρωρα, and ἀνδροφυῆ βούκρανα. Having again alluded to this
singular passage (Polit. 270 d, e). it may be well to take the
opportunity of explaining the motives which seem to have
suggested the addition of this peculiar feature. It has the
twofold effect of giving greater consistency and completeness
to the story, and of pointing the contrast between the two
alternate cycles. A link was needed to combine the change
in the heavenly motion with the production of mankind from
earth, which Plato chose, for a purpose of his own, to associate
with the spontaneous generation of all things in the reign of
Saturn. A hint for this appeared in the description of
Hesiod: “They had no old age: their death was like a
sleep.” Now if, like the heroes of Cadmus, they rose full-
grown from the ground, and saw not grey hairs, since their age
could not stand still, it must go backwards. And this would
be only in accordance with the change in the universal motion,
ie
ΧΧΧΥῚ INTRODUCTION
But the
more naturally the result follows from the premises, the more
effectively it strikes the imagination with the greatness of the
supposed revolution. Hence it is put in the foreground of
the picture, μέγιστον δὲ πόδε κι τ. λ. And here there peeps out
a deeper vein of ironical humour from beneath the matter-of-
course gravity of the narration. “ If ever there is a beneficent
paternal government on earth,’ Plato seems to say, “ it will
be when iron swims and rivers run back to their fountains*.”
But it need not be assumed that he has no sympathy with the
ideal at which he smiles, as being εὐηθέστερον τοῦ δέοντος:
Compare Thezt. 200 Ὁ, γελοίοις περιστερεῶσιν, Rep. 7, 536 Ὁ,
γελοῖον δ᾽ ἔγωγε καὶ ἐν τῷ παρόντι ἔοικα παθεῖν, where Plato
openly laughs at his own enthusiasm.
(4.) But if the myth is poetry and not history, and is even
tinged with humour, what are the serious thoughts which this
strange medium is chosen to convey? There is, first, the main
purpose which has been already described, to lift the imagi-
nation to the conception of a theocracy, and so to remove by
a sort of “ homceopathic” remedy the crudities of a shallow
optimism. Very similar means are used in the Laws to shew
that unlimited monarchy is unsuitable for the present state of
man. But when this principal thought is once admitted, other
reflections crowd in. They are such as the following.
In our present state, evil is inextricably mixed with good:
and is indeed so predominant, that God would seem to have
left the world to itself. For in all that is created, evil is the
necessary consequence of freedom. ‘The practical lesson for
man is that he too is made the guardian of his own life, and
in conjunction with necessity, the builder of his own destiny.
And as the universe and the animal kingdom follow, so far as
they can recall it, the pattern of the Divine cycle, so man
should track out everywhere the vestiges of the Divine wisdom
which still remain»: believing, that although the Creator has
a change of κίνησις followed by a change of γένεσις.
a The notion of “a life which is a σῶμα ἀφομοιούμενα." For the child is
gradual disrobing of the spirit from its
earthly dress,’ which one interpreter
finds here, is well imagined, but is
surely inconsistent with the words,
“ εἰς τὴν τοῦ νεογενοῦς παιδὸς φύσιν
ἄπήει, κατά τε τὴν Ψυχὴν καὶ κατὰ τὸ
not Plato’s type of the unclouded
reason, the “best philosopher, seer
blest”’ of Wordsworth.
b ὅσον ev ἡμῖν ἀθανασίας ἔνεστι,
τούτῳ πειθομένους. Lege. 4, 713 6.
TO THE STATESMAN. ΧΧΧΥῚΙ
entered on His Sabbath of contemplation‘, His eye is still upon
the world and all things in it, and that, being good, He will
not forsake the work of His hands, but will restore His creature
to the fulness of life and immortality in due time.
Meanwhile we may be consoled by the reflection, that a life
under perfect conditions is not a happy life, unless it is spent
in philosophy, and that the philosophic spirit in whatever con-
ditions is the earnest of happiness here and hereafter.
Subordinate to this main argument are several incidental
thoughts :—1. God is not the author of evil. He cannot con-
tradict His own nature. 2. By parity of reasoning, there
cannot be opposite Divine Powers of evil and good. (Is there
here an allusion to Zoroastrianism’) 3. God permits evil, as
the inevitable concomitant of a bodily nature. 4. God is the
only source of life and immortality. 5. In a theocracy there
would be no laws but the Divine Will, no marrying or giving
in marriage, for each new being would be the immediate work
of the Divine Hand. 6. Philosophy is the interrogation of
all natures. 7. Man in his primitive state is weak and de-
fenceless: he receives from Heaven only such gifts and such
instruction as are- indispensable in order that he may improve
these by the exercise of his own invention under the stimulus
of necessity. 8. The idea of transmigration and of the soul
forgetting every thing at birth is assumed as a matter of
course. It need hardly be said that all these thoughts are
“plastic” here; i.e. they are not first thought out and then
figuratively expressed, but emerge together with their symbols
in the united play of reason and imagination.
(5.) Several difficulties occur, even on the above shewing, in
comparing the myth with other utterances of Plato. (a) Can
this picture of the permission of evil be reconciled with the
goodness of the Creator as represented in the Timeus? (ὁ) Is
the relegation of the principle of communism to the golden
age consistent with the fifth book of the Republic, or the dis-
paragement of the education of perfect circumstances with the
ideal of μουσικὴ in the second book ? The answer must be that
these views are not perfectly consistent, but that a probable
reason can be given for each discrepancy.
> ε ~ \ 5 7)
© εἰς τὴν αὑτοῦ περιωπὴν ἀπέστη.
XXXVI INTRODUCTION
a. The Deity of the Timzeus effects all without moving from
his place, and when his commands are given ‘ continues in the
same stay’? The Deity of the Politicus is said in a figure
to leave the helm of the universe and retire to his speculative
height. The Deity of the Timzeus confers an absolute immor-
tality on the stars; the Deity of the Politicus suffers the
whole visible universe to totter on the verge of dissolution.
The universe in the Timeeus, though not exempt from evils,
as a whole is “very good.” The universe in the Politicus
copies the pattern of the Divine movement so clumsily that at
length the good is almost overwhelmed by the evil. That the
same writer could be possessed at different times with views
so divergent, is a fact which may be classed with other “ con-
trasts of prophecy.” It may be partly explained by the pecu-
liar bitterness with which the author, at the time of writing
this dialozue, seems to have looked upon the world. But
there are other reasons. The motive of the piece is m the
one case cosmological, in the other ethical: that is, the Uni-
verse is held up as a mirror to exhibit on a large scale the
condition of man. In the Timeeus therefore the ills which
flesh is heir to have a subordinate place, in the Politicus they
are seen in the greatest prominence; and while in the one
account human action is determined by physical constitution®,
in the other, man, with the Universe, is left to the guidance
of his own will. Further, the direct object of this fable is to
contrast the actual with the ideal, whereas the purpose of the
Timeeus is to exhibit the production of the Cosmos in accord-
ance with the idea of good.
The music of the Timeus is more highly strung’, for there
the movements of the Same and Other are combined in the
formation of the mundane soul, whereas here the opposite
movements take place alternately. This difference is like that
which Plato notices between Heraclitus and Empedocles; of
whom the latter resolved the movements which the former
united. (Symp.187 a, Soph. 242 e.) At least equally discordant
with the Timzeus is the assumption in the Laws that there are
two kinds of soul, one essentially evil, the other good: and
4 Tim. 42e. Compare the fine saying © Tim. 87 sqq.
of Xenophanes, ἄλλ᾽ ἀπάνευθε πόνοιο ! συντονωτέρα.
νόου φρενὶ πάντα κραδαίνει.
TO THE STATESMAN. XXXIX
the distance between man and God is even more emphatically
stated in many passages of this, Plato’s latest writing.
Having noticed the difference, it is right to point out the
resemblance between the two myths. In both, God brings
the Universe in the beginning out of disorder into order, so far
as this is possible for a being which has a bodily frame, though
animated by a soul, both in the form of reason and desire.
He is the father, the composer, the artificer, the source of
immortality, the author of all excellence and beauty in His
creature. And because He is good, He will not see the disso-
lution of that which He has made. Yet constrained by neces-
sity, he permits periodical destructions of living creatures from
the face of the world.
b. The children of Cronos, like the guardians in the Republic,
have no possession of wives and children. Here is a point of
coincidence, and yet of discrepancy: for that which in the
Republic is planned as a scheme possible though difficult, is
here removed into cloud-land. In the Laws also it is reiterated
that the community of wives and children is the condition of
the perfect state; but in that dialogue the laws of marriage
are similar to those sketched out at the conclusion of this,
providing for the intermixture as far as possible of courageous
and gentle breeds. On this point I can only suggest a con-
jecture. Is it possible that Plato had once hoped to see
something like his ideal polity realized, and that his hopes
(by the fall of Dion or otherwise) had been frustrated? This
would account not only for the difference in this particular,
but also for the contrast between the hopefulness of the
Republic and the almost despair of human nature visible in
the Statesman. But this is a speculation to which we shall
have occasion to return. A reason which may be assigned
with greater safety (while not inconsistent with the foregoing)
is the more vivid realization in this dialogue of the actual con-
ditions of human things: and this will also account for the
remaining discrepancy, viz. that while in the Republic great
virtue is assigned to the “surroundings” of childhood and
youth as a means of education, it is left doubtful here whether
the children of the golden age profited by their opportunities
or not. It is true that the two passages do not directly con-
flict with each other, but the one shews a higher estimate of
xl INTRODUCTION
the value of ideal circumstances than the other. (Note espe-
cially the words ἵν᾽ ὥσπερ ἐν ὑγιεινῷ τόπῳ οἰκοῦντες οἱ νέοι ἀπὸ
παντὸς ὠφελῶνται, ὁπόθεν ἂν αὐτοῖς ἀπὸ τῶν καλῶν ἔργων ἢ πρὸς
ὄψιν ἢ πρὸς ἀκοήν τι προσβάλῃ, ὥσπερ αὔρα φέρουσα ἀπὸ χρη-
στῶν τόπων ὑγίειαν, καὶ εὐθὺς ἐκ παίδων λανθάνῃ εἰς ὁμοιότητά τε
καὶ φιλίαν καὶ ξυμφωνίαν τῷ καλῷ λόγῳ ἄγουσα---- 60. 3, 401 ο.)
(6.) Plato often allows a theory which he has formally re-
jected to influence the after-course of the discussion. Thus
in commenting on the Theetetus it was observed that the
theory of “impressions” although discarded is afterwards
applied (209 ¢, πρὶν ἂν ἣ σιμότης αὕτη διάφορόν τι μνημεῖον
παρ᾽ ἐμοὶ ἐνσημηναμένη κατάθηται): and in the Republic the
ideal of a simple life, which Socrates rejects in order to humour
Glaucon, and to account for the existence of a warrior caste,
insensibly returns. It might be thought that when the tale
was ended, and the error of “ too great simplicity” corrected,
we had done with the Divine Shepherd. But the idealizing
impulse is too strong. We have turned our faces resolutely
to look for the Statesman amongst mankind. But the light
which accompanies the search is from a higher world. And
when in comparison with the vision which our eyes have seen,
the actual statesmen of the earth appear contemptible or
monstrous, there still rises before us, in addition to the six
forms of government which experience recognizes, a seventh
form, which is no other than the Divme image». The scenery
of the myth, the alternate cycles, the periodic destructions
from physical causes, the earth-born race, are as though they
had not been, but the ideal of true sovereignty still flits before
the eye of the mindi. This ideal, however, is now connected
with the postulate, that Statesmanship is a science, with which
the dialogue began: and it is sought to realize this with some
reference to the existing conditions of human society.
First, the actual forms of government are shewn not to be
based on any principle of reason; yet it is assumed that, so
far as they are constitutional, they are unconsciously imitating,
8 εὐηθέστερα τοῦ δέοντος. Polit.276e. cipit se dormire, timet excitari, blan-
h Compare Descartes, Meditatio 1, disque illusionibus lente connivet, sic
sub fin. “Nec aliter quam captivus, sponte labor in veteres opiniones.”
qui forte imaginaria libertate fruebatur i Compare the middle and end of
in somniis, quum posted suspicari in- the Pheedrus.
TO THE STATESMAN. xl
though with decreasing accuracy (here the influence of the
myth appears againk), that Divine pattern of which the
sovereignty of knowledge would be a conscious and perfect
imitation. Now a perfect imitation is no longer an imitation,
but the thing itself: and thus we return to our ideal image.
But this ideal is no longer merely abstract. The king as a
commanding artist is seen purging the community of incurably
bad elements, subduing the refractory, and ordering aright
the diversities of excellence which exist amongst his noblest
subjects. His function is defined relatively to that of the
general, the judge, the orator; and the result of his rule is
not described as perfect happiness, but such happiness as is
possible for a community. The separation of Divine and
human which the myth suggests, is for the first time carried
out consistently in the Laws!, where the acknowledgement
reluctantly muttered out in the Politicus is fully made, namely,
that a paternal despotism has only once been realized, viz.,
in the golden age when man lived under a theocracy; but
that human nature under existing conditions is too weak to
bear the temptations incident to absolute power.
IV. The Seven Forms of Government.
The subject of political constitutions is treated differently by
Plato in the Republic and the Laws. In the Republic the
ordinary threefold distinction of oligarchy, democracy, and
despotism is put into the mouth of Thrasymachus, who argues
from this that the strongest govern for their own ends. Plato
himself appends to his picture of the perfect state an ideal
picture of four successive forms of gradual deterioration from
this type, timocracy, oligarchy, democracy, and tyranny ; each
lower than the former, and arising out of it through a natural
development of evil. The ruling principle of the first is
honour, of the second wealth, of the third individual freedom,
of the last passion. This arrangement is no doubt partly
determined by the analogy of the individual, which, in accord-
ance with the plan of the dialogue, is throughout kept promi-
K Polit. 273 Ὁ, τελευτῶν δὲ ἀμβλύ- pressed in the Laws is the religious
τερον. counterpart of the severance of the
1 4,713. The sense of the distance ideal from the actual which is so
of man from God so frequently ex- strongly felt in the Politicus.
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ΧΙ INTRODUCTION
nently in view. In the timocracy, which nearly corresponds
to the Laconian ideal, the spirited element gains predominance,
and is emancipated from the control of the reason. In the
other three forms, Desire, first, of wealth, secondly, of unre-
strained action, thirdly, of gratifying the ruling passion, has
the upper hand.
Three distinct arrangements are adopted in different places
of the Laws, all different from that just mentioned :—
1. The order of historical development. Legg. 3, 676-683.
a. Single families, without written laws. Θεμιστεύει δὲ
ἕκαστος παίδων ἠδ᾽ ἀλόχων οὐδ᾽ ἀλλήλων ἀλέγουσιν.
Ὁ. Patriarchal Government. Βασιλείαν πασῶν δικαιο-
τάατην.
a
. The early life of cities, in which opposite customs are
harmonized by legislation.
ἃ, Maritime cities are built ; the beginning of commerce,
war, sedition.
. Return of the Heraclids. Laconian and Cretan con-
stitutions.
ic)
2. Two prime forms, democracy and monarchy, representing
the tendencies of the West and East. The best constitution
must have an admixture of both, so as to secure order and
liberty. The Laconian and Cretan settlements had this good
fortune. Legg. 3, 691.
3. For the above-named reason, these alone of existing
governments deserve the name of πολιτεία. The four com-
monly named, royalty, aristocracy, democracy, and tyranny,
are not constitutions, but factious coteries (στασιωτεῖαι), which
govern, not for the interest of the state, but, as Thrasymachus
said, for the maintenance of the existing authority. The only
true constitution is that in which, instead of one part of the
city being in subjection to another part, all are together
subject to the rule of reason in the form of law.
In the Politicus we have first an enumeration of the forms
of government according to common notions: then a criticism
of these, followed by a fresh enumeration.
Common opinion is said to acknowledge five forms instead
of the three vaunted by Thrasymachus in Rep. bk. 1. Instead
ΤῸ THE STATESMAN, xl
of his “tyranny” we have the higher generalization of mon-
archy (the word μοναρχία occurs only in the Politicus and the
Laws). This is subdivided into royalty and tyranny, according
as the subjects are willing or unwilling. Instead of his
“aristocracy”? we have the more general ἡ ὑπὸ τῶν ὀλίγων
δυναστεία, (cf. Lege. 710 e, ὀλιγαρχία τὴν τοῦ τοιούτου, 1. 6. τοῦ
νομοθετοῦ, γένεσιν χαλεπώτατα δύναιτ᾽ ἂν προσδέξασθαι: πλεῖστοι
γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ δυνάσται γίγνονται) : which is divided, according to
the principle of wealth on the one hand, and constitutionalism
on the other, into oligarchy and aristocracy “of fair name”
(τὴν εὐώνυμον). The fifth is democracy, which, whether ruling
by gentleness or violence, and whether constitutional or not,
has the same name.
But when tried by the standard of scientific government,
not one of these is found to be based on principle: they are
seen not to be forms of government at all (od πολιτεῖαι), but
only imitations more or less remote of the one true form;
and the men who head them are not statesmen, but partisans,
the phantom-guardians of phantom-states.
Of the imitations however, some are better, some are worse.
And here a principle is admitted which had no place in the
perfect state. The better or worse of the bad states are
distinguished by the observance or defiance of law. All else
is accident, except the original wisdom of the Laws, and the
degree in which they are obeyed. Hence the original classi-
fication is thus modified. First, the scientific state is alone
allowed the name, so that the five are swallowed up in one
(τὰ πέντε ὀνόματα τῶν νῦν λεγομένων πολιτειῶν ἕν μόνον γέγονεν).
But of the false states there are now
I. Monarchy with law, 2. Monarchy without law,
called βασιλεία. Tupavvls.
3. The dynasty of a few 4. The dynasty of a few
observing the laws = defying the laws=
ἀριστοκρατία. ὀλιγαρχία.
5. Democracy with law. 6. Democracy without law.
The true state being kept apart, ὥσπερ θεὸς ἐξ ἀνθρώπων,
the following is the order of excellence, or rather of com-
parative badness amongst the other six :—
ἕω g 2,
xliy INTRODUCTION
1. βασιλεία (τ).
. ἀριστοκρατία (3). 2
. δημοκρατία μετὰ νόμων (5).
. δημοκρατία ἄνευ νόμων (6).
. ὀλιγαρχία (4).
. τυραννίς (2).
Am Af © ὦ
Now this order differs at the first glance in two important
respects from that given in the eighth and ninth books of the
tepublic. These are, first, the addition of βασιλεία as one
of the lower forms, and, secondly, the depression of ὀλιγαρχία
below δημοκρατία. ᾿Αριστοκρατία may be allowed to correspond
to the τιμοκρατία of the Republic. But it so happens that on
both these points there is a corresponding difference between
the Republic and the Laws. For in that dialogue, as we have
seen, βασιλεία (a sort of eastern monarchy is probably intended)
is one of the four forms commonly received to which the Athe-
nian Stranger denies the name of constitution. And demo-
cracy, as one of the two “mother polities” of which monarchy
is the other, is throughout placed before oligarchy, against
which Plato seems latterly to have conceived an increased
enmity. (Hven in the Republic he calls it συχνῶν γέμουσα
κακῶν πολιτεία.)
When we add to these two ροϊηΐβ the coincidences of
language above mentioned (μοναρχία, δυναστεία), a presump-
tion is raised that the doctrine of the Politicus on this subject
is nearer to the Laws than to the Republic.
And on coming a little closer, we see that in the Republic
these distinctions are thought to depend on essential differences
of form (4, 445 ἃ, εἴδη ἔχοντες: 8, 544d, ἣ τις καὶ ἐν εἴδει
διαφανεῖ τινι κεῖται), and to have a natural order of sequence
of which a reason can be given. But in the Politicus they
are seen to be distinguished by no principle, the only real
difference between states being first enlightenment or igno-
rance in the ruler, and next the maintenance or the neglect
of law. And not far removed from this view, though more
adapted to a legislative treatise, is the assertion in the Laws
that the constitutions commonly so called are not constitutions
at all, and that the only true state is that where reason rules
in the form of law. Once more, when in the Politicus the
TO THE STATESMAN. xlv
statesmen of existing states are said to be not what they pro-
fess, but partisans (οὐ πολιτικοὶ ἀλλὰ στασιαστικοί), this comes
very near the remark in the Laws that the radical vice of all
the received forms of government except the Spartan and
Cretan is that one part rules the rest for its own advantage.
They are not constitutions but coteries (οὐ πολιτεῖαι, ἀλλὰ
στασιωτεῖαι).
V. Theory of Legislation.
The presumption thus raised is further confirmed when we
examine the very curious piece of mingled satire and inquiry in
which the distinction between constitutional and unconstitutional
government is illustrated. “If the true sovereign and law-
giver, or a second like him, were on earth,” we are told, “ he
would be above law; which is only an imperfect substitute
for the universal and immediate superintendence of the Per-
feet Will.” The physician is not bound to follow his old pre-
scriptions under altered circumstances. But now he is “ gone
into a far country,” or, as the myth would say, Providence
has left us to ourselves: and men have despaired of finding
their natural ruler, whom, when once found, they would follow
like a swarm of bees. Therefore there is nothing left to them
but to preserve their country’s laws, which, it may be pre-
sumed, were made at first after the Divine pattern, so far as
those who framed them knew. What a poor business this is
at best is shewn by the case of an imaginary state, in which
the arts of navigation and medicine or any others should be
practised according to ancient laws enacted in popular or
oligarchical assemblies at the advice of chance persons. But
when the wretchedness of such a condition has been fully
exhibited, a lower deep is opened, by imagining a state,
whether democratical, oligarchical, or tyrannical, in which
such laws, however imperfect, should be over-borne, not by
higher knowledge, but by private gain or favour. Hence
it is concluded that in the absence of a philosophic ruler, the
best course possible (as a δεύτερος πλοῦς) is a strict observance
of the laws. Now in the Republic, the sanguine founders of
that city in the heavens deliberately dispense with a minute
xlvi INTRODUCTION
code of laws. These are thought unnecessary because in the
greatest thing, viz. education, the whole community will be
spontaneously obedient to the philosopher-king, and in little
things those who have been thus educated will be a law to
themselves; or in any case will be only what education
makes them. The pages in which this thought is expressed
(4, 423 e—427 a), had they not been found in an earlier
writing, might have been taken for a criticism of the Leges.
It is indeed granted, in words which should acquit Plato of
Utopianism (5, 472 b—473 b), that practice can never attain
to the perfection of theory, but the idea of lowering the sails
of theory, in order to try a second course, when the first
is hopeless, does not occur to Socrates, and certainly would be
very far from acceptable to the impetuous Glaucon.
The necessity of this humbler course is somewhat sadly
admitted by the Athenian Stranger in the Laws. He prefaces
the introduction of the very class of regulations (those which
are over and above the rules for nurture and education),
against which Socrates protests in the passage above quoted
(9, 875 a), with the remark that laws are necessary, because
no human being has at once the wisdom to see, and also the
power and the will to do, at every moment what is for the
universal interest, and to make his own interest always
secondary. ‘‘Could one be found theoretically convinced that
whatever was for the public good was on the whole good
for him, yet, if placed in a position of absolute and irrespon-
sible authority, he would be too weak to apply his theory
consistently through a long life. His mortal nature shrinking
from pain and desiring pleasure would darken his judgment
of what is just and good. But if Providence were to send on
earth such a nonpareil, whose nature was suflicient for this
work, he would not need to place himself under the control
of law. (Compare Polit. 295 Ὁ, σχολῇ ἂν ἑαυτῷ θεῖτ᾽ ἐμποδίσ-
ματα γράφων τοὺς λεχθέντας τούτους νόμους.) It is because
Nature has been so niggardly in this particular (νῦν 6¢—od
γὰρ ἔστιν οὐδαμοῦ οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλ᾽ ἢ κατὰ βραχύ) that we are
forced to adopt a course which is only second-best, in enacting
laws, whose application is general only, not universal.”
The reflection which prompts these words, viz. that prac-
tical rules must be accommodated to our experience of human
ΤῸ THE STATESMAN. xlvii
weakness, pervades the whole dialogue, and should always be
present to the reader of the Laws. It does not follow that
Plato has relinquished his ideal of life, because in recommend-
ing a second-best polity to those who have refused his best,
he admits some details which he had once rejected with
seorn™. The feeling with which he does so could not be more
clearly expressed than in the words with which he defends
the admission within certain limits of election by lot: τὸ yap
ἐπιεικὲς καὶ ξύγγνωμον τοῦ τελέου Kal ἀκριβοῦς παρὰ δίκην τὴν
ὀρθήν ἐστι παρατεθραυμένον, ὅταν γίγνηται ".
This procedure follows naturally as a practical result from
the reasoning in the Politicus. If, seeing that the philosopher-
king cannot always be with his people, the only wise course for
states is to maintain their laws, which have an imperfect and
remote reflection of principles of divine government: suppose
an occasion to arise for founding a new state, or some rare
opportunity for remodelling an old one®, what are the laws
which, as the best possible substitute for the continual presence
of an enlightened will, the true law-giver would actually
impose? and what are their reasons and their sanctions?
This is the problem which the Stranger in the Politicus im-
plicitly suggests, but apparently despairs of answering: for
the sketch with which the dialogue ends represents the highest
statesmanship working without the instrumentality of law,
though in a more practical way than in the Republic.
m See esp. Lege. 5, 739 Ὁ: τὸ δ᾽ states builf on foundations which
ἔστιν ὀρθότατα, εἰπεῖν μὲν τὴν ἀρίστην
πολιτείαν καὶ δευτέραν καὶ τρίτην, δοῦ-
ναι δὲ εἰπόντα αἵρεσιν ἑκάστῳ τῷ TiS
συνοικήσεως" κυρίῳ.
n Another admission to which he
confesses himself almost driven (4,
708 e) is, that ‘‘constitutions are not
made, but grow” (as οὐδείς ποτε
ἀνθρώπων οὐδὲν νομοθετεῖ, τύχαι δὲ
καὶ ξυμφοραὶ παντοῖαι πίπτουσαι παν-
τοίως νομοθετοῦσι τὰ πάντα ἡμῖν). Α
noticeable passage, in which human
art occupies only the third place with
Providence and chance. There is an
approach to a similar feeling in Polit.
302 a, where the longevity of many
yeason pronounces ruinous, provokes
the reflection “‘what strength and
tenacity there is in the very nature of
a state” (ὡς ἰσχυρόν τι πόλις ἐστὶ
φύσει).
° This in the Laws is not the rise
of a philosopher-king, but the con-
currence of a well-disposed and intelli-
gent despot with a wise law-giver. It
should be observed that a provision is
made in Legg. 6, 769, 770 (cf. 12,
951), though by no means an adequate
provision, for the constitutional amend-
ment of the law. This is a step in
advance of the political doctrine of the
Statesman.
xlvill INTRODUCTION
An instructive parallel to the teaching of the Politicus
on this subject appears in the Critias, in which three phases
of political life are described, which nearly exemplify the
Eleatic Stranger’s theory. First the people of pre-historic
Athens, whose autochthon founders, created by Hephestus
and Athena, had been inspired by them to order their state?
(as we learn from the opening of the Timzeus) in accordance
with the provisions of the Republic. Next the kings of the
race of Poseidon, each of whom had power of life and death
in his own city, but was bound in his intercourse with the
rest to obey the injunctions of their progenitor, as these had
been recorded by the first of their race. These had remained
unaltered as they were written in the beginning on a tablet
of orichalcum? (a now fabulous metal which abounded in that
realm). On this tablet was added a great curse pronounced
on those who disobeyed: and a great oath, confirmed by the
blood of a bull poured over the tablet, was renewed every five
years: at which time also, in solemn nocturnal conclave, they
condemned those who were convicted of ruling contrary to
the laws. For many generations, so long as they observed
these laws, and while the heroic blood remained in them,
they lived happily enough, and perceiving that virtue is ὅπ.
true road even to earthly welfare, they bore up against the
load of their material prosperity. But a time came when
the human element prevailed and they were overcome by
ambition and the pride of power. Then they seemed out-
wardly most fortunate, but presented a pitiable spectacle to
those who had an eye for deformity of soul. The fragment
of the Critias ends with the resolve of Zeus to chasten them,
but had the tale proceeded, we should have had placed
before us the third companion picture, that of the misery of
a state which, in the absence of a philosophic ruler, has a
code of laws but is disobedient to them. ‘These three con-
ditions, set forth in the Critias, correspond nearly to the forms
which the Politicus recognizes as alone essential: the Republic
is ignorant of the distinction between the second and third:
which, again, are brought into almost exclusive prominence
in the Laws.
P Critias, 109 d. 4 Compare the κύρβεις of Polit. 1. ο.
TO THE STATESMAN. xlix
VI. Relation of the Politicus to the Leges.
τ. The description of the “Royal web” in the concluding
passage of this dialogue is a mere outline; yet if the sketch
is anywhere finished this is not done in the Republic, but in
the Laws. These both contain the idea of binding together
and harmonizing the gentle and fierce elements in human
nature: and the presence of this thought in the Politicus is,
in so far, only a reason for grouping it with these two great
works rather than with the Protagoras or any of the more
Socratic dialogues, in which all virtue is simply referred to
knowledge. But a more definite hypothesis is justified by
a closer inspection. For, while the “divine bond” of know-
ledge is a description so vague as to be equally applicable to
either of the two imaginary schemes of education, the provisions
respecting marriage which constitute the “ human bonds”
have no counterpart in the Republic, while they are re-
peated almost without modification in the Laws. They
imply in fact an accommodation to the existing condition of
mankind which is more in accordance with the spirit of the
latter than of the former dialogue. For what need was
there of uniting by mutual pledges those who never spoke of
“JT” or “mine,” and who felt every grief of every member
of the state with an individual sorrow? What need of
qualifying opposite tendencies by intermarriage, when each
individual, according to the principle on which he was selected
and trained, had by nature and education the harmony of
gentleness and courage within his own breast? This ideal
polity is still acknowledged by the speaker in the Laws to be
the one and only pattern. His object is to propound a second
polity, i.e. a polity only once removed from the former, the
closest imitation of the perfect government that is likely to be
maintained without the presence of a succession of Divine
kings. And his procedure, with the reasons for it, has several
striking points of resemblance to that suggested at the con-
clusion of the present dialogue.
He observes that the purpose of the early legislators was
not war, but peace as the reward of virtue: that in the early
2 Jo:
| INTRODUCTION
life of cities it became necessary to bring together the opposite
qualities of gentleness and fierceness, which, during the patri-
archal period, had become embodied in the traditions of the
different clans. (3, 681 Ὁ, κοσμιωτέρων μὲν κοσμιώτερα, καὶ
ἀνδρικῶν ἀνδρικώτερα. Cf. ib. 6g1 6, of the Spartan constitu-
tion. Compare Polit. 310 6.) And in beginning his own
legislation he compares the work he has to do (almost in the
words of our dialogue) to a web composed of a warp and woof,
of which the warp is stronger and so far better, having a
certain firmness of disposition, but the woof is softer and has
“a certain temperance which gives it smoothness.” (Cf.
Polit. 282 e, 309 b. In the Laws the highest rule is given
to the stronger element.) But there is an earlier process to
be gone through before this is begun. The state must be
purged of all bad elements. Plato thinks worse of human
nature than when he hoped that all children under ten years old
with a few exceptions would receive the print of the new laws.
(Rep. 7, sub. fin.) The purgation of the flock from tainted
members must precede all else. If the legislator have supreme
power, human kindness need not prevent him from taking the
nearest way. Otherwise he may have recourse to the more
“euphemious” plan of emigration. (5, 735. Compare with
this Polit. 293 d, e, 308 b—d.)
Once more, in applying the ideal which annihilates indi-
vidual choice to the matter of marriage, this exhortation is
made to precede the law. ‘The man must choose a partner
not superior to himself in wealth: and, moreover, he who is
conscious of a quick and forward spirit (ἰταμώτερον ἅμα καὶ
θᾶττον τοῦ δέοντος πρὸς πάσας τὰς πράξεις φερόμενον) should
seek alliance with a family of gentle blood (κοσμίων πατέρων
γίγνεσθαι κηδεστήν): and he of the opposite temper should
take the opposite course. For each should choose that
marriage, not which is most pleasant to him, but which is
most expedient for the common weal. Now natural inclination
carries men to mate with their likes: the result of which is
to accumulate differences both of fortune and character, to
the manifest harm of cities. The motive of our injunction is
that the state may be like a well-attempered bowl, in which
the wine sparkles with maddening heat, but is chastened. into
smooth mellowness by the sober influence of a different power.”
TO THE STATESMAN. li
(6, 773.) It would be superfluous to draw out at length the
many close resemblances between this passage and p. 310 of
the Politicus.
2. The affinities of thought and doctrine, as well as of
language, which we have found existing between this dialogue
and the Laws, make it probable that the times of their com-
position were not very far apart: and Socher’s objection, that
the Politicus agrees neither with the Republic nor with earlier
dialogues, is met by the hypothesis that this dialogue is inter-
mediate between the Republic and the Laws. To this, how-
ever, it may be again objected, that while the Politicus and its
immediate predecessor, the Sophistes, are amongst the most
dialectical of the whole series, the very notion of dialectic in
the Platonic sense is absent from the work on which the last
years of Plato’s life were spent. Nor is this peculiarity of his
latest dialogue wholly to be accounted for by the nature of
the subject. Although the method of the Republic is less
exact than that of the Sophist or Philebus, yet the ideal
theory which it contains is professedly made the groundwork
of the political fabric, and Dialectic, as the science of ideas,
and as the roof and crown of the sciences, which are them-
selves viewed in their ideal aspect, is described as the in-
dispensable completion of the education of the ruler. Nor yet
will this further explanation suffice, that the Laws profess to
take a lower ground and starting-point, and to provide only
for what is second-best: and that hence, in the education of
the νομοφύλακες, the principles of the highest method are
economically withheld. For no one can read the tenth book
or the latter part of the seventh book of the Laws without
perceiving that here at least the law-giver is enunciating what
he conceives to be the highest truths. Yet, while much is
said of geometry and astronomy, and of the supremacy of
mind, no hint is given, either here or in the previous reference
to the Republic and the communion of goods, of any ‘“ doctrine
of ideas.” Notions of astronomy and psychology, more or
less definite, asserted with religious warmth, appear to have
taken the place of metaphysical inquiry. The exoteric form
of the discussion, implying a wish to reconcile philosophy to
Greek feeling, is inseparable from the phase of thought which
prompted this desire.
Nw)
li INTRODUCTION
But while nothing is said of the ideas as objects of know-
ledge, there remain frequent traces of the method of division
and combination (διαίρεσις, συναγωγή) as pursued in these dia-
logues. The duty of dividing according to the natural kinds
is enforeed in the following, amongst other passages: 2, 658 a,
μὴ ταχὺ TO τοιοῦτον κρίνωμεν, ἀλλὰ διαιροῦντες αὐτὸ κατὰ μέρη
σκοπώμεθα: 6, 751 ἃ, δύο εἴδη ταῦτα περὶ πολιτείας κόσμον
γιγνόμενα τυγχάνει: 7, 814 6, δύο μὲν αὐτῆς εἴδη χρὴ νομίζειν
elvat.... καὶ πάλιν τοῦ φαύλου τε δύο καὶ τοῦ σπουδαίου δύο
ἕτερα: 10, 895 d, ἔστι που δίχα διαιρούμενον ἐν ἄλλοις τε καὶ
ἐν ἀριθμῷ: 12, 944 Ὁ, σχεδὸν οὖν ἐν τοῖς ὀνείδεσιν ἔχει τινὰ
τομὴν ἣ τούτων τῶν ὀνομάτων ἐπιφορά, where the phraseology
of the Sophistes is repeated. Instances of the converse process,
by which things apparently diverse are brought under one
conception, are 7, 824 a, the description of the various kinds
of θηρευτική, which has several points of resemblance to these
dialogues; 8, 841 ὁ, ἕν γένος ὄν, περιλαβὸν τὰ τρία γένη:
10, 894 b, ὡς ἐν εἴδεσι λαβεῖν : 12, 944 6, καιροὶ λύσεως νέως ἢ
ζῴου τινος, ods ἐντόνους TE καὶ ὑποζώματα καὶ νεύρων ἐπιτόνους,
μίαν οὖσαν φύσιν διεσπαρμένην, πολλαχοῦ πολλοῖς ὀνόμασι προσ-
ayopevovow. Much also of the terminology which arose out of
the definitions of these dialogues is assumed in various places
of the Laws, as has been sufficiently shewn in the General
Introduction.
The anomaly which we are considering will appear less
wonderful, if we review the course which dialectical inquiry
has taken in our two dialogues. The chief result of the
Sophistes was the transition from a somewhat fanciful onto-
logy to a true psychology, from a transcendental to a logical
conception of Being; first as the sum of positive determina-
tions, then as the sum or ideal of true determinations,
whether affirmative or negative. We have seen that this
conception finds legitimate development in the Politicus in
more complex views of knowledge and of the objects of know-
ledge, which must be seen in various aspects and relations
before they are fully known. The true affinities and discre-
pancies of things are perceived by the higher faculty of the
mind, not after a cursory glance at phenomena, but through
a laborious process only made possible after long training.
Science is the comprehension of these deeper resemblances
TO THE STATESMAN. ΠῚ]
and differences: and scientific inquiry is the interrogation of
all nature in order to discover what each kind can contribute
to the store of universal knowledge. The only passages which
remind us of the ontological or transcendental theory of the
ideas are the μετρίου φύσις in p.284, and the contrast between
sensible and logical analogies in p. 286 ἃ. Now the former of
these is the exact expression of the philosophy which seeks to
combine the absolute with the relative, as Plato seeks to com-
bine these in the Philebus; and the latter belongs to the
antithesis between the things of mind and of sense, which is
nowhere more strongly asserted than in the tenth book of the
Laws. Even the ideal standard of τὸ μέτριον is hardly con-
ceived as existing apart from production (284 d, πρὸς τὴν τοῦ
μετρίου γένεσιν). Indeed, throughout the dialogue (see also
Soph. 245 d) the Eleatic opposition between Being and Be-
coming, and also between Knowledge and Opinion, appears to
be softened, and even here and there obliterated.
There is a sense, therefore, in which it may be truly said
that, in these dialogues, metaphysical inquiry has been en-
gaged in “getting rid of metaphysics,” 1. 6. of transcendental
ontology. The idea of scientific method takes the place of
the mere enthusiastic exaltation of the ideas. That method is
still held to be the privilege of a mind fitted by nature and
training to discern ideas; to discern them, however, not merely
in themselves, but amidst the manifold complexities of the real
world.
Hence we need not wonder that in a dialogue later than the
Politicus, the notion of an intellectual region, wholly separated
from that of appearance and opinion, which stands out so
prominently in the Republic, does not reappear.
It is true that the chief interest in the Politicus is dialectical,
in the Laws ethical and religious. But this, at all events, may
be traced partly to the difference between a speculative and a
practical treatise. As Plato himself says of his ideal state,
φύσιν ἔχει πρᾶξιν λέξεως ἧττον ἀληθείας ἐφάπτεσθαι. There is
an analogous contrast between the Phedrus and the Republic.
In the infancy of the sciences, the development of a perfect
method, and its application to a particular subject-matter, were
achievements equally impossible. Practice and theory could
not go hand in hand. As the method was necessarily immature
liv INTRODUCTION
(though rich in anticipative insight), so it was destined -to
remain unrealized. Plato often betrays his consciousness of
this. He fails to seize “waking” the form which he had
pursued “in a dream.” At the same time it is not contended
that the Politicus may not have been produced many years
before the Leges were begun. In that last dialogue the
method of inquiry which, theoretically at least, still rules in
the Statesman and Sophist, has given place to what is virtually
a method of exposition; and the author’s mind seems in both
cases to be wholly possessed by the impulse which is dominant
for the time. It is hardly credible that two such different
modes of handling the same subject should have reigned
simultaneously, and therefore it is best to suppose an interval.
But this supposition does not weaken the force of the cumu-
lative arguments by which it has been now sought to deter-
mine approximately the relative position of this dialogue
amongst the writings of Plato. And in the occasional
abruptness and absence of connexion in the Politicus there are
not wanting symptoms of the approaching loss of dialectical
as well as of artistic freshness and power.
VII. References to the Politicus in Aristotle.
That Aristotle was acquainted with this dialogue appears
from many coincidences of thought and expression. Several
instances, chiefly from the Politics, will occur in the notes.
(See especially, besides the passage mentioned below, Ar. Pol.
I, 1, ὅσοι pév.... μικρὰν πόλιν (cf. Polit. 259 a—c): ibid.,
ἀγελαίου ζώου : ibid. 2 sub fin., 7 δὲ κτητικὴ . -. «- θηρευτική:
ΠῚ ΠΣ Οἷον ean) τ ὁμοίως ἔχειν (cf. Polit. 298): ibid. 7,
TO μὴ κατὰ γράμματα ἄρχειν, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτογνώμονας, ἐπισφαλές:
III, 2, "Eore yap ἀρχὴ Seomoriy ..... διακονικὰς πράξεις (cf.
Polit. 259 c—260 6, 304): ibid. 6, ἰατρὸς δ᾽... . τοῖς εἰδόσιν
(cf. Polit. 259 a): ibid. 8, ὥσπερ γὰρ θεὸν ἐν ἀνθρώποις (οἴ.
Polit. 303 b): ibid. 10, δοκεῖ δὴ τοῖς νομίζουσι - - - « - - ἄρχειν
ἠλίθιον : IV, 12, ἀρχὰς λεκτέον ταύτας, ὅσαις ἀποδέδοται βουλεύ-
σασθαι τε περί τινων καὶ κρῖναι καὶ ἐπιτάξαι, καὶ μάλιστα τοῦτο,
τὸ γὰρ ἐπιτάττειν ἀρχικώτερόν ἐστιν (cf. Polit. 260a): VII, 13, εἰ
TO THE STATESMAN. ly
μὲν tolvuy..... ἄρχειν καὶ ἄρχεσθαι (ef. Polit. 301 4). It is
true that, considering the common atmosphere of philosophical
debate which surrounded both writers, these resemblances do
not amount to proof; but they render it probable that Ari-
stotle had read the dialogue and was familiar with some of its
contents. Hence it is the more strange that in the one place
in which he appears to refer directly to the Politicus, he not
only omits the author’s name (this would be no new pheno-
menon), but gives him the vague designation τις τῶν πρότερον,
“one of those who have preceded me.” The passage occurs
in the second chapter of Book IV, where the question is
raised, which of the declensions (παρεκβάσεις) from the true
forms of government is the least bad? and is as follows:
μετριωτάτην δὲ τὴν δημοκρατίαν. ἤδη μὲν οὖν τις ἀπεφήνατο Kal
τῶν πρότερον οὕτως, οὐ μὴν εἰς ταὐτὸ βλέψας ἡμῖν" ἐκεῖνος μὲν
γὰρ ἔκρινε, πασῶν μὲν οὐσῶν ἐπιεικῶν, οἷον ὀλιγαρχίας τε χρηστῆς
καὶ τῶν ἄλλων, χειρίστην δημοκρατίαν, φαύλων δὲ ἀρίστην. The
superficial relevancy of this to Polit. 303 a, Ὁ is sufficiently
obvious. We may notice, however, that, as usual with him in
quoting Plato, Aristotle has forgotten the connexion. Plato
condemns as strongly as Aristotle all the forms of government
here mentioned. With him also it is a question not of good
and bad, but of degrees of badness: τίς ---τῶν οὐκ ὀρθῶν πολι-
TELOY τούτων ἥκιστα χαλεπὴ συζῆν, πασῶν χαλεπῶν οὐσῶν, καὶ
τίς βαρυτάτη ;—and it may be that Aristotle’s three “right
forms” would have fared no better at his hands. The word
ἐπιεικῶν, which Aristotle attributes to him, is not used at all ;
the nearest approach to such an expression is κοσμίων, which
is explained by νομίμων, and is probably used, as μετριωτάτην
is used by Aristotle, in order to avoid a word implying posi-
tive excellence. For when monarchy is said to be ἀρίστη τῶν
ἕξ, and democracy παρανόμων βελτίστη, this is only in the
same relative sense in which Aristotle uses the words φαύλων
ἀρίστην. Indeed, were Aristotle’s representation true, the
two philosophers would be more nearly at accord: for demo-
eracy would then be described by Plato as the least bad of
three bad forms, each of which is (in this case) the declen-
sion from a species of right government. This kind of inac-
curacy is too common to afford any ground for the con-
jecture that Aristotle is not referring to the Politicus, but
Ιν] INTRODUCTION
to some other writing or utterance of a previous thinker4,
but it lessens the wonder which is naturally excited by the
earcless vagueness of the expression ‘some one in former
time.”
When we consider how much more Aristotle seems to have
relied on the living tradition of Plato’s school than on his
writings for the opinions of Plato; how lax he is in quotation
generally, attributing to Circe the words of Ulysses to his
pilot, and the like; how impersonal he is; how seldom he
names Plato, though often alluding to him; when we re-
member that in all his writings there is no distinct reference
to such a noticeable work as the Parmenides, we need hardly
be surprised if, at the moment of writing these lines, he was
not clearly aware which of all the previous speculators on the
subject of politics had pronounced this opinion. It would be
easy to indulge in further conjecture, but it is needless. The
anomaly remains. The fact is singular, though not unaccount-
able. But, if what has been said in these pages has any force,
this would indeed be slender evidence on which to question the
genuineness of the Statesman. This dialogue is fastened by
too many threads of contrast, as well as of resemblance, to the
place which has been now assigned it in the Platonic canon,
to be dropped from thence by the mere negligence of Plato’s
younger contemporary’.
VIII. The “ Philosopher” dialogue.
The “Statesman” contains a sketch of the real as well of
the counterfeit ruler. The “ Sophist”? was mainly occupied in
proving the existence of a counterfeit of the philosopher. The
last and (according to the “ geometrical” proportion indicated
in Polit. sub. init.) by far the greatest part of the Stranger’s
q This view is, however, worth con-
sidering, and is somewhat favoured by
the expression tis τῶν προτέρων. In
this case, Plato might be included in
ἡμῖν, and Aristotle might, as in so
many other instances, be merely repeat-
ing a doctrine of his master’s,
τ T cannot think that Ueberweg has
made out the theory which he advances
in connexion with this question, viz.,
that when in a quotation of Plato
Aristotle uses the past tense he always
alludes to a spoken utterance.
= ee “Νὰ υ μΩ ὐτὰπν
TO THE STATESMAN. Lyi
task remains: viz. the definition of the true philosopher.
That Plato intended to complete this series with a dialogue
in which the Eleatic Stranger and Thestetus should be the
interlocutors and Soerates the listener appears from the
opening sentences of the “Statesman” compared with Soph.
2147 a, 231 a(?), 253 6, 254 b: although in the two last-named
passages it is possible after the fact to detect a tone of hesita-
tion (ἐὰν ξητῶμεν, dv ἔτι βουλομένοις ἡμῖν ἢ). No such dialogue,
however, and no mention of such a dialogue is extant, and it
is next to impossible that a picture of the ideal philosopher,
drawn by Plato’s hand, should never have received a passing
notice in all literature. But it has been supposed that
although not literally fulfilled, the intention here expressed
may have been carried out by Plato in a different way. It
was the opinion of Schleiermacher that in the Symposium and
Phedo the promised portrait of the philosopher is given to
us in the person of Socrates. It is unnecessary to refute
at length a supposition so gratuitous. The reader of the
preceding pages will perhaps be satisfied with the remark,
that even were the withdrawal of the person of Socrates of no
significance, and could the artistic freshness of Plato’s literary
prime be recalled at will, we cannot suppose that after writing
the Sophistes, he would have returned to the phase of the
ideal theory which is implied in Symp. 211 ¢, ἃ, or in Pheedo
75,100. More plausible but not less baseless is the opinion
of Stallbaum, who finds the missing dialogue in the Parme-
nides. If it were necessary to make the hypothesis at all,
there is no dialogue which could more fitly be drawn into
this group. It contains a criticism and modification of Eleatic
doctrine which presents many analogies to the Sophistes,
and if, as the Politicus teaches, human things are only worth
studying for the sake of dialectical improvement, no better
training than that given in the Parmenides could be desired.
Yet this is regarded by the speaker as a preparatory exercise,
and the result is negative merely. The Parmenides is de-
structive in the same sense in which the Theetetus is destruc-
tive. Now it is very improbable that after giving a definition
of the Sophist and the Statesman with which the speakers
appear satisfied, Plato would have added to these a sceptical
solution of the problem, “ What is the philosopher?” Some
aa
ἵν] INTRODUCTION
glimpses of a positive answer to this question are in fact
afforded us in Soph. 230, 253-4. I am inclined to think,
as has been hinted in the Introduction to the Sophist, that
the most natural place for the Parmenides is between the
Thestetus and the Sophistes: and, at all events, that the
difficulties respecting the coexistence of the ideas with phe-
nomena, of the One with the Many, probably preceded the
solutions of these and cognate difficulties in the Philebus and
Sophist.
It may therefore be concluded that Plato’s ““ Philosopher,”
like Bacon’s sixth book of his Instauratio, was never written.
It is idle to conjecture what, if written, it would have con-
tained. But we may be sure that a truer conception of its
intended scope may be gathered from the few brief hints given
in these dialogues than from the Symposium, Phedo, or
Parmenides.
The chief problem which these hints suggest to us is the
nature of Being, conceived as the true combination and
separation of ideas (Soph. 254). Plato perhaps intended to
draw out at length the notion of dialectic, as he has briefly
sketched this in Soph. 253 d, 259 0, 4, Polit. 285 a-c. He
clearly implies that it would be necessary in order to this
end to establish an idea of order or fitness (τὸ μέτριον). And
other metaphysical conceptions would doubtless have emerged
in the attempt to determine that, which Plato felt to have
so often escaped him, a perfect method (πρὸς τὴν περὶ αὐτὸ
τἀκριβὲς emiderEiv—Polit. 254 ὁ). That this endeavour would
have occupied the main portion of the dialogue there can
be little doubt, and perhaps as little that the arid wastes
of abstract discussion would have been relieved by passages
of luxuriant beauty, in which the glory of the Philosopher
(now finally distinguished from the Sophist and Statesman, in
whose likeness he had often appeared) would have been fully
declared, and the life which surveys from on high the lives
of men (Soph. 216), conversing with every creature to learn
what each has to tell of wisdom (Polit. 272 ὁ), would have
been stripped of all ironical disguise and revealed in true
proportions to the discerning spirit.
Eyen these scanty indications of the intended scope of the
Philosopher perhaps betray one cause why such a dialogue was
TO THE STATESMAN. lix
never written. ΤῸ elaborate a perfect method of knowledge
in the infancy of science was impossible, and it may be that
Plato felt it to be impossible’. Nor does it seem as if in any
age the mind of Plato could have found completeness or repose.
The ideal of science
. “is an arch, wherethro’
Gleams the untravelled world, whose margin fades
For ever.”
And if our hypothesis of the comparatively late origin of
these dialogues is correct, the non-appearance of the Philo-
sopher coincides with and renders more significant the aban-
donment of metaphysical inquiry in the Laws.
s “Res et suprd vires et ultr’y spes nostras collocata.”—Bacon.
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
TA ΤΟΥ ΔΙΑΛΟΓΟΥ͂ TIPOXOITA
ΣΩΚΡΑΤΗΣ, ΘΕΌΔΩΡΟΣ, ΞΈΝΟΣ,
ΣΩΚΡΑΤῊΣ O
Ἢ πολλὴν χάριν ὀφείλω σοι τῆς Θεαιτήτου γνωρί- ς
ΝΕΩΤΈΡΟΣ.
5, / ῳ Α fad ~ 7
σεως, ὦ Θεόδωρε, ἅμα καὶ τῆς τοῦ ξένου.
ΘΕΟ. Τάχα δέ γε, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὀφειλήσεις ταύ-
/ » \ ’ Ν 5 ’ὔ
της τριπλασίαν, ἐπειδὰν τὸν τε πολιτικὸν ἀπεργά-
XN /
σωνταί σοι καὶ TOV φιλοσοφον.
ΣΏ. Εἴεν: οὕτω τοῦτο, ὦ φίλε Θεόδωρε, φήσομεν
3 i? 9 an Χ \
AKNKOOTES εἰναι TOU περὶ λογισμοὺς καὶ τὰ γεωμε-
\ r
TPLKa KPATLOTOV 5
5. Ἦ-- - ξένου] “I owe you a
thousand thanks, Theodorus,
both for the acquaintance I
have made with Theetetus and
with the Stranger,” τῆς Θεαιτή-
του ἅμα καὶ τῆς τοῦ ξένου. Cf.
Theet. 145 6, d, Soph. 216.
γνωρίζω does not occur in Plato
in the causative sense. Hence
the noun probably does not
mean “ your making me ac-
quainted.”
4. Taxa δέ ye] “ And pre-
sently you will owe me three
thousand.” The argument of
the Theetetus is not taken
into the calculation. This helps
to confirm the hypothesis that
there was a considerable inter-
yal between the composition of
the Thezetetus and that of the
Sophist. But perhaps it is
only natural that the speakers
should not refer immediately
to the conversation of the pre-
vious day. Cf. infr. 258 a.
11. ἀκηκοότες εἶναι] The more
frequent use of the auxiliary
verb has been already noticed
as a peculiarity of Plato’s later
style.
* RB
Only a
third part
of our task
is done:
nay, not a
third, for
10 the States-
man rises
above the
Sophist in
value and
the Philo-
sopher
above the
Statesman
in more
than a geo-
metrical
ratio.
ο
2 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
SEO. Πῶς, ὦ Σώκρατες ;
ρου Ν AAG we pp Uae ,
SQ. Τῶν ἀνδρῶν ἕκαστον Ἐθέντος τῆς ἴσης ἀξίας,
A a vad 7 > ) ΄ > cal Ὁ \ Ἁ
οἱ τῇ τιμῇ πλέον ἰἀλληλων) ἀφεστᾶσιν ἢ κατὰ τὴν
ἀναλογίαν τὴν τῆς ὑμετέρας τέχνης.
5 Ν ε / 5 /
GEO. Ed ye νὴ τὸν ἡμέτερον θεὸν, ὦ Σώκρατες,
Roy κ᾿ 7 ‘ ΄ \ >
τὸν Ἄμμωνα, καὶ δικαίως, καὶ πάνυ μεν οὖν μνημονι--
aA 5 / ’ \ Ν \ \ ΄ /
KOS ἐπέπληξάς μοι τὸ περὶ τοὺς λογισμοὺς apap-
τημα.
Ν \ \ » Ν / > - {2 ᾿ ‘
καὶ σὲ μὲν ἀντὶ τούτων εἰσαῦθις μέτειμι TU
δ᾽ ἡμῖν, ὦ ξένε, μηδαμῶς ἀποκάμῃς χαριζόμενος, ἀλλ᾽
Can 5 Ν ἣν 2, if 3, bs
ἑξῆς, €LTE TOV πολιτικὸν ἄνδρα 77 POTEPOV €lTE TOV
φιλόσοφον mpoatpel, προελόμενος dieEedOe.
a 5 7
EE. Ταῦτ᾽, ὦ Θεόδωρε, ποιητέον: ἐπείπερ omak
7 / Ν » 2 caeN
γε ἐγκεχειρήκαμεν, οὐκ ἀποστατέον πρὶν ἂν αὐτῶν
2. Τῶν ἀνδρῶν] Cf. Soph.
221 d: ἠγνοήκαμεν τἀνδρὸς τὸν
ἄνδρα ὄντα ξυγγενῆ. The ideal
Sophist, Statesman, Philoso-
pher, are treated with fami-
larity, as persons with whom
a transaction is being held.
2. *6évros*} All the MSS.
have θέντες, but the correction
of Heindorf is unquestionably
right. The corruption is pro-
bably due to ἀκηκοότες preced-
ing.
Note the variety of expres-
sion in ἀξίας ----τιμῇ.
3. πλέον --- ἀφεστᾶσιν] Cf.
Legg. 4, 722 Ὁ: οὐ διπλῷ θά-
τερα τῶν ἑτέρων διάφορα μόνον
εἰς ἀρετὴν τῆς χρείας. ἀλλήλων
om. Bodl. AT.
4. τὴν τῆς ὑμετέρας τέχνης]
Se. τὴν γεωμετρικήν.
5. τὸν ἡμέτερον θεὸν ---τὸν Ax. |
The reader is thus reminded
that Theodorus is from Cy-
rene.
6. καὶ πάνυ μὲν οὖν μνημονι-
kos] “ And most certainly
with praiseworthy recollection.”
Theodorus commends Socrates
as his pupil for remembering
the principle of geometrical
proportion.
8. καὶ σὲ μὲν] “ Well, I must
seek some other opportunity
for my revenge.”
9. χαριζόμενος] The word re-
cals the politeness of the first
interview, Soph. 217 ¢: τήν ye
πρώτην αἰτησάντων χάριν. Ib. ἃ:
τὸ δ᾽ αὖ σοὶ μὴ χαρίζεσθαι καὶ
τοῖσδε.
ἀλλ᾽ ἑξῆς, εἴτε] For the in-
terruption of the sentence with
etre, οἵ, Theeet. 156 6 : λευκὸν,
εἴτε ξύλον, εἴτε λίθος κ.τ.λ.
12. ποιητέον---ἀποστατέον] For
the apposition, οἵ. Protag. 348
ὃ: τοὺς τοιούτους μοι δοκεῖ χρῆναι
μιμεῖσθαι ἐμέ τε καὶ σέ, καταθεμέ-
νους τοὺς ποιητὰς αὐτοὺς δι᾿ ἡμῶν
αὐτῶν τοὺς λόγους ποιεῖσθαι. The
inferior MSS. insert καὶ before
οὐκ, probably from conjecture.
13. αὐτῶν] “ The matters in
hand.” Compare the frequent
57:
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 9
πρὸς τὸ τέλος ἔλθωμεν.
τοῦδε τί χρὴ δρᾶν με;
ΘΕΟ. Τοῦ πέρι ;
ἀλλὰ γὰρ περὶ Θεαιτήτου
— , δὶ 7 ’ A
SE. Διαναπαύσωμεν αὐτὸν μεταλαβόντες αὐτοῦ
Ν Χ / / Ἃ la
Tov συγγυμναστὴν Tovde Σωκράτη ; ἢ πῶς συμβου- 5
/
Aevels 5
GEO. Καθάπερ εἶπες, μεταλάμβανε:
/ \
veo yap
7 en } / 7 > ,
OVTE poov οἷσ ετὸν TAVTA TOVOY AVATTAVOMEV®.
LQ. Kat μὴν κινδυνεύετον, ὦ ξένε, ἄμφω ποθὲν
> Ν , a4 ,
EOL ξυγγένειαν εἐχέιν τινα.
It is time
that The-
zetetus
should be
relieved :
and his
compa-
nion, the
younger
Socrates,
who has
hitherto
TOV μέν YE οὖν ὑμεῖς 10 been a
\ \ a 7 ,
κατὰ THY τοῦ προσώπου φύσιν ὅμοιον ἐμοὶ φαίνεσθαί
an « Lal e ἴω «ες , 3 e
φατε, τοῦ δ᾽ ἡμῖν ἡ κλῆσις ὁμώνυμος οὖσα καὶ ἡ
a 7ὔ / /,
. πρόσρησις παρέχεταί τινα οἰκειότητα.
δεῖ δὴ τούς
γε ξυγγενεῖς ἡμᾶς ἀεὶ προθύμως διὰ λόγων ἀναγνω-
use of αὐτὰ without a distinct
antecedent in Thucydides.
4. Διαναπαύσωμεν αὐτὸν] “Shall
we relieve him for awhile, by
taking his comrade Socrates
here instead?” Either Thex-
tetus was to be the respondent
in the “ Philosophus,” which
is probable enough, or δια here
receives something of the mean-
ing which it has in διαδέχομαι,
“in turn.”
5. συγγυμναστὴν] Theeet. 144
6: ἄν δ᾽ ἄρα τι τοιοῦτον γένηται
(sc. τῷ μήκει πονῶν ἄχθωμαι) καὶ
τόνδε παραληψόμεθα Σωκράτη, τὸν
Σωκράτους μὲν ὁμώνυμον, ἐμὸν δὲ
ἡλικιωτὴν καὶ συγγυμναστήν, ᾧ
συνδιαπονεῖν μετ᾽ ἐμοῦ τὰ πολλὰ
οὐκ ἀήθες. The word here, like
πάντα πόνον below, implies men-
tal as well as bodily labour.
Cf. Rep. 6, 498 | Ὁ : προϊούσης
δὲ τῆς ἡλικίας ἐν ἡ ἡ ψυχὴ τελει-
οὔσθαι ἃ ἄρχεται, ἐπιτείνειν τὰ ἐκεί-
νῆς γυμνάσια.
* BR
7. νέω yap ὄντε] We per-
ceive in Theodorus something
of the consciousness of the
contrast between youth and
age, which appears also in the
Eleate and in the Athenian
Stranger in the Laws. Cf.
Theeet. 146 b, 162 b.
9. ποθὲν] “ From some cause
or other,” “in some respect.”
Το. τὸν μέν ye — οἰκειότητα]
There is a sort of humour in
the conscious technicality of
the language, (φύσιν----φαίνεσθαι
---κλῆσις---ὁμώνυμος ---πρόσρησις
—oixeidrnra,)which also reminds
us that we are engaged in dia-
lectic.
11. ὅμοιον ἐμοὶ] ΤΊ Θεοῦ. 143 6.
12. ἡμῖν) The plural gives
a more courteous turn to the
expression. The dative, al-
though governed by ὁμώνυμο-----
οἰκειότητα, has something of an
ethical force. Cf. Soph. 216 e.
4. διὰ λόγων] “ By means of
9
~
silent lis-
tener, is
now encou-
raged by
his elder
namesake
to converse
with the
Stranger.
The latter
at once re-
sumes the
leadership
of the dis-
cussion,and
prescribes
the States-
man rather
than the
Philoso-
pher for
the next
subject of
definition,‘
The States-
man, also,
like the
Sophist, is
aman of
art, and the
arts and
sciences
must be
again di-
vided.
+ MAATOQNOZ
picew.
\ / Ν cal ae. / ,
διὰ λόγων καὶ νῦν ἀκήκοα ἀποκριναμένου, Σωκράτους
δὲ οὐδέτερα" δεῖ δὲ σκέψασθαι καὶ τοῦτον.
> Ν \
ἐμοὶ [LEV
5, 3 —) \ \ a ’ /
οὖν εἰσαῦθις, σοὶ δὲ νῦν ἀποκρινέσθω.
SE. Ταῦτ᾽ ἐσται.
7
Σωκράτους ;
ΝΕΟΣ ΣΏΩ. Nai.
Ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀκούεις δὴ
EE. Συγχωρεῖς οὖν οἷς λέγει ;
NE. ΣΏ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
ΞΕ, Οὐ τὰ σὰ κωλύειν φαίνεται, δεῖ δὲ ἴσως ἔτι
Ὁ STEN ,
ἥττον Tapa διακωλύειν.
ἀλλὰ δὴ μετὰ τὸν σοφι-
\ 3 “ ε 3 Ν 7 Χ Xr Ν
στὴν ἀναγκαῖον, ὡς ἐμοὶ φαίνεται, Tov πολιτικὸν
ἄνδρα διαζητεῖν νῷν.
/ / y lal
Kai μοι λέγε, πότερον τῶν
/ SC XV las , x lad
ETLOTHMOVOY TW ἡμῖν καὶ τοῦτον θετέον, ἢ πῶς ;
NE. ΣΏ. Οὕτως.
N a
EE. Tas ἐπιστήμας apa διαληπτέον, ὥσπερ ἡνίκα
\ a > a
TOV 7 POTEPOV EDKOTTOVHEV :
NE. ΣΩ. Τάχ ἄν.
\ Ν \ [4 3 /
HE. Ov μὲν δὴ κατὰ ταὐτὸν ye, ὦ Σώκρατες,
: / / an
20 φαίνεται μοι τμῆμα.
argument,” i.e. as to their men-
tal qualities. Cf. Thezet. 145.
Socrates here shews the same
urbanity as in the opening of
the Theztetus and Sophist.
Compare with the structure of
the sentence and the introduc-
tion of the minor premiss with
δή (δεῖ 67) Theet. 143 d: ool
δὴ οὐκ ὀλίγιστοι πλησιάζουσι----
εἰ δὴ οὖν----δδέως ἂν πυθοίμην.
And for ye, resuming what has
been already said, cf. infr. 260 ¢,
δεσπόζοντά γε.
12. τὸν πολιτικὸν] Bodl. A, pr.
II, πολιτικὸν τὸν. This illustrates
a frequent source of corrup-
tion in MSS., the inversion of
the order of words.
14. The requirement that the
king shall be ἐπιστήμων τινὸς,
the possessor of ἃ perfect
science, is upheld throughout
the dialogue, and hence the
definition of the king excludes
all the actual rulers of existing
communities. The question in
the text is asked not without
ironical allusion to this “ crowd
of satyrs and centaurs” (infr.
303 6), whose art, like that of
the Sophist, proves to be a
mere sham.
καὶ τοῦτον͵] “As well as
Θ ; ἐν οὖν αὐτός Te συνέμιξα χθὲς :
εαἰτήτῳ μὲν οὖν αὐτός μιξα χθὲς p. 25
MOAITIKO®. 5
NE.
cA DE
NE.
cH OF
SO. Tan:
Kar’ ἄλλο.
ΣΏΩ. "Eoue ye.
, lol \ > ‘ > a Ν Ν » /
pyoe; δεῖ yap αὐτὴν ἀνευρεῖν, καὶ χωρὶς ἀφελοντας 5
\ 53 \ ’ \ ip. 3
Thv οὖν πολιτικὴν ἀτραπὸν πῇ τις avev-
> a 50 7 ° »
ἀπὸ τῶν ἄλλων ἰδέαν αὐτῇ μίαν ἐπισφραγίσασθαι,
a x oN JA 5 ᾽
καὶ ταῖς ἄλλαις ἐκτροπαῖς ἐν ἄλλο Eidos ἐπισημηνα-
/ , \ ᾽ / ¢e 5 / /
μένους πάσας τὰς ἐπιστήμας ὡς οὔσας δύο εἴδη δια-
νοηθῆναι τὴν ψυχὴν ἡμῶν ποιῆσαι.
NE. ΣΏ. Τοῦτ᾽ ἤδη σόν, οἶμαι, τὸ ἔργον, ὦ ξένε,
3 ᾽ » > Ἂς /
aAA οὐκ ἐμὸν γίγνεται.
- ᾽ Ky / > Ns 5 ΄
mE. Δεῖ γε μὴν, ὦ Σώκρατες, αὐτὸ εἶναι καὶ σον,
σ » \ Gay ͵7ὔ
ὅταν ἐμῴφανες ἡμῖν γένηται.
the angler (Soph. 210 a) and
the Sophist (Ib. 221 ¢).”
1. Ti μὴν] “What then?”
This less frequent signification
of τί μὴν probably contains the
explanation of the general use
to signify assent. “ What else ?”
=“surely.” Cf. Parm. 139 d:
Ὅτε οὐκ ἐπειδὰν ταὐτὸν γένηταί
τῷ τι, ἕν γίγνεται. ᾿Αλλὰ τί μήν;
κιτιλ. Theet. 142 a: ποῦ μήν;
4. ἀτραπὸν͵]) The Stranger
recurs to the metaphor which
he employed in Soph. 222 a.
This appears clearly from the
word exrporais, which recals ἐκ-
τρέπεσθον (1. 5.) Compare Pheedo
65 b: Κινδυνεύει τοι ὥσπερ ἀτραπός
τις ἡμᾶς ἐκφέρειν ἐν τῇ σκέψει, ὅτι
κιτιλ. The art is identified with
the method of finding the art.
ἡ. ταῖς ἄλλαις ἐκτροπαῖς ---
ποιῆσαι) This is an applica-
tion of the lesson learnt in
the previous dialogue, that for
every positive conception there
is a corresponding negative
expression not signifying the
opposite, but including all that
is other than the positive no-
tion. See esp. Soph. 257 6:
ἄλλο τι τῶν ὄντων τινὸς γένους
ἀφορισθὲν καὶ πρός τι τῶν ὄντων
πάλιν ἀντιτεθὲν οὕτω συμβαίνει
εἶναί τι τὸ μὴ καλόν; The mind
is here viewed as giving her
impress to objects, and not as
receiving impressions from
them (contrast with this the
image of the waxen block in
the Thezetetus). Similar lan-
guage occurs in Phedo 75 d:
περὶ ἁπάντων οἷς ἐπισφραγιζό-
μεθα τοῦτο ὃ ἔστιν. Cf. also
Soph. 253 d.
8. ὡς οὔσας δύο εἴδη] As
constituting two classes or
kinds.
12. καὶ σὸν] I.e. You must
make the distinction your
own, go through the process
for yourself. In his more
systematic dialogues Plato still
insists on the importance of the
learner’s following every step
of an inquiry.
By what
path, then,
does the
Statesman
diverge
from the
beaten way
of know-
ledge in
general ?
It is the
duty alike
IO of ques-
tioner and
respondent
to deter-
mine this,
while part-
ing off all
other by-
ways, and
stamping
them with
a single
negative
form.
The theory
of numbers
is an e€x-
ample of a 5
class of
sciences,
in which
knowledge
is wholly
separable
from ac-
tion.
Whereas in
carpentry
and other
handi-
crafts,
knowledge
is bound
up with
6 MAATOQNOZ
NE. >Q. Καλῶς εἶπες.
=H.
a) " 5 > - > 6 \ \ ld -
p οὖν οὐκ ἀριθμητικὴ μεν Kal τινες ἐτεραι
, ω / Ν “ ΄ / > ἈΝ
TQUT)) OVYYEVELS τέχναι ψιλαὶ TOV πράξεών εἰσι, TO
\ “ / /
δὲ γνῶναι παρέσχοντο μόνον ;
NE. ΣΩ. Ἔστιν οὕτως.
=E Ai δέ Ν Χ 3 Ν ,
pj Le l O€ γε Ζέερι TEKTOVLKHY αὖ Και συμπασαν
d rn / A yf
χειρουργίαν WOOTTEP ἐν ταις πράξεσιν ἐνοῦσαν συμφυ-
Ν 3 [4 / “ Ν
TOV τὴν ἐπιστήμην κέκτηνται, καὶ συναποτελοῦσι τὰ
/ « > 3 a / / > +
γίγνομενᾶ UIT αὐτῶν σωμᾶτα, προτέρον οὐκ οντα.
NE. ΣΩ. Ti phy;
= Eh ΠῚ , 7 , 5 [4 ὃ /
μι 1. QUT) τοινυν συμπασας ETLOTH MAS LALPEL,
\ \ \ / Χ \ /
THY μὲν πρακτικὴν προσειπῶν, THY δὲ μόνον γνω-
/
στικην.
2. ἀριθμητικὴ μὲν --- μόνον]
This in modern language is the
distinction between science and
art. Cf. Phileb. 56, 57.
3. ψιλαὶ τῶν πράξεων] “ Dis-
engaged from practice,” i. e.
abstract. The same word is
used, infr. 299 e, to distinguish
“pure arithmetic” from geo-
metry and astronomy. ἀριθμη-
τικὴ (the theory of numbers,
not arithmetic in the medern
sense, which more nearly an-
swers to λογιστικὴ,) is always
spoken of by Greek philosophers
as the most abstract of the ma-
thematical sciences. EH. g. Ar.
Met. 1. 2: ai ἐξ ἐλαττόνων----τῶν
ἐκ προσθέσεως, ὥσπερ ἀριθμητικὴ
γεωμετρίας. Again, in Theet.
165 a Dialectics are opposed,
as Ψιλοὶ λόγοι, “mere abstrac-
tion,’ to mathematics gene-
rally.
4. παρέσχοντο] For this
‘poetical’ use of the aorist,
ef. Theset. 156 d: ἐγένετο ----
περιεπλήσθη, and note.
6. At δέ γε----κέκτηνται] “ But
in the case of carpentry and
the sister arts, and of every
handicraft, the knowledge is
as it were merged or inherent
in the operations; and they
assist in perfecting the struc-
tures which result from them.”
Note the expression ai (τέχναι)
ἐπιστήμην κέκτηνται. By a fu-
sion of abstract and concrete
common in these dialogues,
the attributes of the artist
are attached to the art. Cf.
Phileb. 44 6: εἰ τὸ BovAnua—
βούλεται.
8. συναποτελοῦσι)] Se. σὺν
ταῖς πράξεσιν. ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν, SC. τῶν
πράξεων.
9. γιγνόμενα --- πρότερον οὐκ
ὄντα! Whereas the objects of
the abstract sciences are never
produced, but exist always.
12. τὴν μὲν] Se. ἐπιστήμην,
1. 86. τῶν ἐπιστημῶν εἶδος. This
helps the transition to the
singular ἐπιστήμης in what fol-
lows.
259.
MOAITIKOS. 7
NE. ΣΩ. “Eorw σοι ταῦθ᾽ ὡς μιᾶς ἐπιστήμης
τῆς ὅλης εἴδη δύο.
μα , > \ ΄
SE. Πότερον οὖν τὸν πολιτικὸν καὶ βασιλέα καὶ
, ν wv? / / « A ΄
δεσπότην καὶ eT οἰκονόμον θήσομεν ὡς ἕν πάντα
A / x / ᾽ὔὕ Sa “ἃ
ταῦυτα 7 POD AYOPEVOVTES, ἢ τοσαῦτας τέχνας QUTGAS 5
εἶναι φῶμεν, ὅσαπερ ὀνόματα ἐρρήθη; Μᾶλλον δέ
cal ied
μοι δεῦρο ἐπου.
NE. ΣΩ. πῇ;
μ-- “ ΕΣ / A , , ΄
EE. Tyde. εἴ τῷ τις τῶν δημοσιευοντων ἰατρῶν
« \ ΄ > / 5. ἘῚ CP 5 > 5»
ἱκανὸς ξυμβουλεύειν ἰδιωτεύων αὐτός, ap οὐκ ἀνα- τὸ
a > lal [é 3, ων 4
γκαῖον αὐτῷ προσαγορεύεσθαι τοὔνομα τῆς τέχνης
ON “ ὩΣ ,
ταῦτον ὅπερ ᾧ συμβουλεύει ;
ΣΟ Nai.
ane Ti δ᾽:
3. Πύτερον οὖν x.7.d.] This
question is closely connected
with the one in hand If
government is an _ abstract
science, then the conditions
under which it is exercised
and the number of the persons
to be governed cannot alter
the principles of government :
and, conversely, if the prin-
ciples are thus altered, it is
not an abstract science.
4. καὶ ἔτ᾽ οἰκονόμον] ἔτι
marks that this is an extreme
step.
θήσομεν --- προσαγορεύοντες |
The participle, although re-
quired to balance the clause
after the introduction of πάντα
ταῦτα, is redundant, as in ἔφη
λέγων.
ἕν πάντα ταῦτα!ὐ Cf. Phileb.
25 d, 4110.
6. Μᾶλλον δέ μοι δεῦρο ἕπου]
This is a natural touch. The
Stranger feels that the ques-
o , , > N
ὅστις βασιλεύοντι χώρας ἀνδρὶ πα-
tion has been put too ab-
strusely for his young re-
spondent.
9. δημοσιευόντων] “ Practis-
ing physicians.” The δημιο-
epyés is opposed to the ἰδιωτής
(ot δημιοεργοὶ ἔασιν, μάντιν ἢ
ἰητῆρα κακῶν). Cf. Ar. Pol. II.
6: Ἰατρὸς δ᾽ ὅτε δημιουργὸς καὶ
6 ἀρχιτεκτονικὸς καὶ τρίτος 6 πε-
παιδευμένος περὶ τὴν τέχνην.
10. ἄρ᾽ οὐκ] “Is it not in-
evitable that he should have
the same professional designa-
tion with the man whom he
advises?” τοὔνομα τῆς τέχνης
(cogn. accus. after προσαγορεύ-
εσθαι) is added for the sake of
ereater precision. It appears
from the Gorgias, p. 455 b,
compared with Xen. Mem. IV.
2,5, that certain public medi-
cal officers were appointed by
the ecclesia of Athens. Stall-
baum thinks that these are
meant by the δημοσιεύοντες
and imme
diately as
sists pro-
duction.
Science,
then, is
either prac-
tical or
theoretical.
To which
branch
does the
Statesman
belong ?
Or, let us
first ask,
Are States-
man, King,
Master,
House-
holder, the
same or
different in
respect of
science ?
One who is
competent
to advise a
physician
deserves
the name of
Physician,
whether he
practises or
not. So one
who can
advise
a king,
though he
may hold
a private
station, is
a king in
knowledge.
Hence the
Statesman
is a king.
8 ITAATQNOS
a ἈΝ > / Δ > / 9 2 3 / »“
ραινεῖν δεινὸς ἰδιώτης ὧν αὐτός, ap οὗ φήσομεν ἔχειν Pp. 2
, \ \ > / a Wi Ν + > Ν
αὐτὸν τὴν ἐπιστήμην ἣν ἐδει τὸν ἄρχοντα αὐτὸν κεκ-
τῆσθαι ;
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Φήσομεν.
RE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν ἣ γε ἀληθινοῦ βασιλέως βασι-
λική:
NE. 30. Nai.
ἘΠῚ ἽΝ / δὲ e 4 ᾽ 3) ay y+
μι. αὐτὴν O€ O ΚεΚΤΉμενος OUK, AV TE AaPX@Ov αν
> ΄ EY ΄ ΄, U4 \ /
T ἰδιώτης ὧν τυγχάνῃ, πάντως κατὰ γε THY τέχνην
ιοαὐτὴν βασιλικὸς ὀρθῶς προσρηθήσεται ;
NE. ΣΏ. Δίκαιον γοῦν.
πὴ ἢ Κ Q ἈΝ ’ y A ὃ , DS ROS,
pe Se αι μὴν OLKOVOLOS YE Καὶ OEOTIOTYNS TAUTOV.
NE. ΣΩ. Ti μήν;
EE. Ti δέ; μεγάλης σχῆμα οἰκήσεως ἢ σμικρᾶς
ἰατροί, but it seems more
probable that the distinction
meant here and in Gorg. 514
d is simply that between one
who practises and one who
does not practise as a phy-
sician — the professional and
the amateur. This is quite
sufficient for the requirements
of the argument. For the form
of expression, cf. Gorg. 474 ¢:
τί δὲ δὴ αἴσχιον 3 πότερον K.T.A.
5. Hye] Se. ἐπιστήμη.
8. Ταύτην δὲ ὁ κεκτημένος]
Note the emphatic position of
ταύτην.
9. τυγχάνῃ is emphatic:
“Whether it be his fortune to
rule or to enjoy a private sta-
tion.”
κατά γε τὴν τέχνην αὐτὴν]
Compare the distinction in
Republic B. I, between the
ruler so-called, and the essen-
tial ruler: esp. 1, 345 6.
5 , + A \ » \ 7,
τε αὖ πόλεως ὄγκος μῶν τι πρὸς ἀρχὴν διοίσετον ;
10. βασιλικός] “ Fit for so-
vereignty,” whether actually
sovereign or not.
14. μεγάλης ---διοίσετον] The
Politics of Aristotle (I. 1.) open
with a criticism of this saying,
in which it may be observed
that the limitation expressed
in the words πρὸς ἀρχὴν is,
overlooked. The difference of
view, however, is real and
characteristic. As in defining
the Good in the Republic;
Plato refers all to a single
principle, while Aristotle holds
that the idea of Good is dif-
erent in different things; so
in the present case, while Plato
asserts that the idea of Go-
vernment must be the same
in the case of a house and
a city, Aristotle contends that
a house is essentially different
from a city, because composed
of different elements (the in-
—
)
ΠΟΛΙΓΙΚΟΣ. 9
NE. ΣΏ. Οὐδέν.
EE. Οὐκοῦν, ὃ νῦν δὴ διεσκοπούμεθα, φανερὸν ὡς
3 / ΄ 3. ΝᾺ ca) / \ 7
ἐπιστήμη μία περὶ πάντ᾽ ἐστὶ ταῦτα. ταύτην δὲ εἶτε
Ν ΕΣ \ 7 > , ᾽
βασιλικὴν εἴτε πολιτικὴν εἴτε οἰκονομικὴν TLS ὀνο-
μάζει, μηδὲν αὐτῷ διαφερώμεθα.
NE. ΣΩ. Τί γάρ;
mE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τόδε γε δῆλον, ὡς βασιλεὺς ἅπας
\ Ν / lal 72 , ’ ay, > \
χέρσι και ξύμπαντι T@ σωμαᾶτι σμικρ ATTA εἰς TO
/ XN > Ν / Ν \ lal a
κατέχειν τὴν ἀρχὴν δύναται πρὸς THY τῆς Ψυχῆς
/ C4
σύνεσιν καὶ ῥώμην.
NE. 30. Δῆλον.
BE. Τῆς δὴ γνωστικῆς μᾶλλον ἢ τῆς χειροτεχνι-
lal Υ, cat Χ ΄σ
κῆς καὶ ὅλως πρακτικῆς βούλει τὸν βασιλέα φῶμεν
y Ὁ
οἰκειότερον εἶναι ;
dividual being the unit of the
family, and the family of the
state), and hence the science of
the management of each must
be different also. They may
be compared analogically, but
must be carefully distinguished.
The point is illustrative of the
difference between the Plato-
nic and the Aristotelian οὐσία,
—the former tending towards
an abstract unity, the latter
towards concrete definiteness
and reality. Cf. Ar. Pol. ITI.
9. The Platonic view had a
germ in Socrates. See Xen.
Mem. III. 4, 12: ἡ yap τῶν
ἰδίων ἐπιμέλεια πλήθει μόνον δια-
φέρει τῆς τῶν κοίνων. Cf. Lege.
3, 681:
μεγάλην ἀποτελοῦντες. Ib. 1, 626
6, 690 a; [Erast. 138 ὁ ;] Meno
73a; Rep. 9, 578 d.
(14.) σχῆμα] The word sug-
gests the imposing appearance
of a stately mansion. Cf.
, Ly
μίαν οἰκίαν κοίνην καὶ
Eurip. Ale. 911 (of the palace
of Admetus): ὦ σχῆμα δόμων,
πῶς εἰσέλθω ;
(15.) πόλεως ὄγκος] So, with
a different shade of meaning,
Rep. 2, 373 Ὁ: (ἡ πόλις) ὄγκου
ἐμπληστέα καὶ πλήθους.
2. ὃ νῦν δὴ διεσκοπούμεθα])
δὴ is omitted in one MS., Ven.
=, and & in another, Par. F.
6. Ti γάρ: “ Why should
we ?”
. ὡς βασιλεὺς amas] Cf.
Ar. Pol. VII. 3: ταύτην δὲ τὴν
περὶ τἀναγκαῖα λεγόμενα ποιεῖν
ἐπίστασθαι τὸν ἄρχοντα οὐκ ἀν-
αγκαῖον, ἀλλὰ χρῆσθαι μᾶλλον"
θάτερον δὲ καὶ ἀνδραποδῶδες.
12. μᾶλλον---οἰκειότερον͵] Cf.
Rep. 1, 331 ¢: ἕν ἀνθ᾽ ἑνὸς οὐκ
ἐλάχιστον ἔγωγε
τοῦτο πλοῦτον χρησιμωτάτην εἶναι
—where the measure of compa-
rison is at some distance from
the adjective, as here.
x» >
αν εις
θείην
ἐς
ee
I
°
And he
who rules
his own
house well
has the
same art of
govern-
ment which
the States-
man has.
Therefore
these forms
of art or
science
differ only
in name.
And it is
clear, at all
events, that
the royal
function is
a work of
mind,
Kingeraft,
or State-
craft, then,
is a theo-
retical
science,
10 ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
NE. ΣΟ Τὴν:
\ 2 \ ‘
SE. "Τὴν ἄρα πολιτικὴν καὶ πολιτικὸν καὶ βασι-
\ \ > Ν « A ΄ cal
λικὴν καὶ βασιλικὸν εἰς ταὐτὸν ὡς EV πάντα ταῦτα
la
ξυνθήσομεν ;
5 ΝΕ. &Q. δῆλον.
Now =E. Οὐκοῦν πορευοίμεθ᾽ ἂν ἑξῆς, εἰ μετὰ ταῦτα
theoretical ᾿ rae ais P ; ip oT, ᾿
scienceis τὴν γνωστικὴν διοριζοιμεθα :
not one Leif ] »; P ( ᾿ ἷ
entire and NE. 2Q. ITavu ye.
perfect — / \ \ “- Ἃ yy > ΒΤ," \
chrysolite, mE. ΤΙρόσεχε δὴ τὸν νοῦν, ἂν apa ἐν αὑτῇ τινὰ
but divides < Σ
into Οὐ] τὸ διαφυὴν κατανοήσωμεν.
cal an
Command- NE. 20. Φραζε ποίαν.
ine. , , la 53 /
3 HE. Τοιάνδε. λογιστική πού τις ἡμῖν ἦν τέχνη.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Ναί.
EE. Té 3 i
bey ae QV γνωστικῶν YE, OlUAl, TAVTATAGL TE-
15 χνῶν.
2. Τὴν ἄρα---ξυνθήσομεν] Be- logical distinctions. Cf. Soph.
cause kingcraft depends en- 229 Ὁ, τομὴν: ib. 268 6, δι-
tirely on knowledge (supra πλοήν. The present image cor-
6, ἀλλὰ μὴν — ῥώμην), and, responds with the language of
in point of the knowledge Phedr. 265 e: τέμνειν --- κατ᾽
required, these arts have been ἄρθρα «.r.X. See also ibid.
shewn to be the same, supra 268 a: εἰ καὶ σοὶ φαίνεται διε-
a,b. There is a slight inex- στηκὸς αὐτῶν τὸ nrpiov, ὥσπερ
actness in πάντα ταῦτα being ἐμοί. Most MSS. have δια-
used for two things (πολι- φυγήν.
τικὴ and βασιλική). This 15 12. ἦν] The past tense
perhaps due to the same implies no reference to any
phrase having occurred above, former passage, but is only
where more than two arts the common form of allu-
were enumerated, p. 258 e. sion to a familiar fact. λο-
10. διαφυὴν] “Any natural γιστικὴ is instanced instead of
parting or cleft.’ The word ἀριθμητικὴ for the sake of va-
is used literally in Phedo 98 ὁ riety. The distinction here
for the ligaments between the introduced by Plato is applied
bones of the human body: τὰ in Ar. Eth. VI. το, ὃ 2, where
ὀστᾶ ἔχει διαφυὰς χωρὶς ἀπ᾿ ἀλλη- wisdom is distinguished from
λων. Every conceivable image intelligence: 7 μὲν γὰρ φρό-
is employed to express the νησις ἐπιτακτική ἐστιν, ἡ δὲ σύν-
“lines and veins” of naturé, εσις κριτικὴ μόνον.
which are the ground of true
Ρ. 259
e€
259.
| 260.
IIOAITIKOS.
NE, >Q. [lds δ᾽ ov;
/ a \ > cal ᾽ “
SE. Τνούσῃ δὲ λογιστικῇ τὴν ἐν τοῖς ἀριθμοῖς
11
διαφορὰν μῶν τι πλέον ἔργον δώσομεν ἢ τὰ γνω-
σθέντα κρῖναι ;
NE. 2Q. Τί μήν ;
EE. Καὶ γὰρ ἀρχιτέκτων γε πᾶς οὐκ αὐτὸς ἐργα-
τικός, ἀλλὰ ἐργατῶν ἄρχων.
NE. ΣΩ. Nai.
EE. Παρεχόμενός γέ που γνῶσιν, ἀλλ᾽ ov χει-
ρουργίαν.
NE. 2Q. Οὕτως.
HE. Δικαίως δὴ μετέχειν ἂν λέγοιτο τῆς γνωστι-
κῆς ἐπιστήμης.
NE. ΣΏ. Πάνυ γε.
HE. Τούτῳ δέ γε, οἶμαι, προσήκει κρίναντι μὴ
τέλος ἔχειν μηδ᾽ ἀπηλλάχθαι, καθάπερ ὁ λογιστὴς
ἀπήλλακτο, προστάττειν δὲ ἑκάστοις τῶν ἐργατῶν
τό γε πρύσφορον, ἕως ἂν ἀπεργάσωνται τὸ προ-
σταχθέν.
2. Τνούσῃ δὲ λογιστικῇ]} “ But
when arithmetic has discerned
the differences amongst num-
bers, shall we give her any
further office than to judge of
that which she has discerned ?”’
Ans. “ How should we?” (ri
μήν 5)
6. Kal yap ἀρχιτέκτων ye πᾶς
kK.T.A.] τί μήν expresses surprise
that the question should have
been asked. An example which
justifies the question is, there-
fore, introduced with γάρ.
“ T asked because there are
branches of theoretical know-
ledge which do not end in
classing the master-carpenter
under γνωστική, when carpen-
try has been placed amongst
the practical sciences. But
this helps to shew that the
“commanding sciences,” al-
though independent of prac-
tice, yet have an immediate
relation to the practical.
18. τό ye πρόσφορον] He is
not wholly engaged in directing
his workmen, nor does he im-
part all his knowledge to each
of them, but he must direct
each in so far as is required
for the particular work ap-
pointed them. This limitation
theory.” There may seem δῦ is expressed by ye.
first sight to be a confusion in
ΤῸΝ
Io
Arith-
metic, for
instance, is
purely cri-
tical: the
Master
Builder, on
the other
hand, while
his busi-
ness is
theory and
not prac-
tice, must
superin-
tend the
application
of his
theory.
12 MAATOQNO®
NE. 2Q. ᾿Ορθώς.
— > a Ἀ \ “ lal /
=E. Οὐκοῦν γνωστικαὶ μὲν αἵ τε τοιαῦται ξύμ-
Nee τ , a a ,
πασαι καὶ ὁπόσαι ξυνέπονται τῇ λογιστικῇ, κρίσει
\ Ν ΄ 7 > 7, J \
δὲ Kal ἐπιτάξει διαφέρετον ἀλλήλοιν τούτω τῷ
7
5 VEVEE ;
/
NE. SQ. Φαίνεσθον.
=E. Ap οὗ 4 ἢ ns εἰ τὸ μὲν
HE. “Ap οὖν συμπάσης τῆς γνωστικῆς εἰ μ
ἊΝ 7 ΝΥ \ ἊΝ /
ἐπιτακτικὸν μέρος, TO δὲ κριτικὸν διαιρούμενοι προ-
/ 5 an “Δ. rn qn
σείποιμεν, ἐμμελῶς av φαῖμεν διῃρῆσθαι ;
ιο NE. 2Q. Κατά γε τὴν ἐμὴν δόξαν.
τος τς EE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τοῖς γε κοινῇ τι πράττουσιν ἀγα-
inction aN: 2
being ad- πῆτον ομονοειν.
mitted, it τῇ pe sae
is easy to NE. 2Q. [los ὃ OU 5
see that ee , ᾿ , ἊΝ oD
the King =H. Tovrov τοίνυν μέχριπερ ἂν αὐτοὶ κοινω-
15 ποῦ ἃ
mere spec- 15 νῶμεν,
tator of the
> f? f
€aTEOV TA YE
TOV
ἄλλων δοξάσματα
/
life of the χαιρειν.
city, but ΔΝ
that his NE, 20. Te pov;
science, a Om Ν
while theo- HE. Φέρε On, ταύταιν ταῖν τέχναιν ἡμῖν τὸν Ba-
retical, is
also com-
manding.§
XN 3 7, 7 yo 9 fa lod »»
σιλικὸν ἐν ποτέρᾳ θετέον ; ap ἐν τῇ κριτικῇ, καθα-
5. yevee] The open form
is probably retained to distin-
guish the dual from the plural
γένη.
4. τὸ μὲν ἐπιτακτικὸν μέρος,
τὸ δὲ κριτικόν] Ar. Pol. IV. 12:
Μάλιστα δὲ, ὡς ἁπλῶς εἰπεῖν,
ἀρχὰς λεκτέον ταύτας, ὅσοις ἀπο-
δέδοται βουλεύσασθαί τε περὶ τι-
νῶν καὶ κρῖναι καὶ ἐπιτάξαι" καὶ
μάλιστα τοῦτο, τὸ γὰρ ἐπιτάττειν
ἀρχικώτερόν ἐστιν. Ib. VII. 5:
ἄρχοντος δ᾽ ἐπίταξις καὶ κρίσις
ἐστίν.
II. Ἀλλὰ μὴν---καίρειν] The
maxim is appropriately bor-
rowed from political science
(for ὁμόνοια is πολιτικὴ φιλία)
in order to assert the indepen-
dence of the dialectical reason.
The same thing is meant as in
Gorgias 472 b, Protag. 331 ¢,
348 a.
19. καθάπερ τινὰ θεατήν] Plato
recurs to the image of the
theatre, which he employed in
Theeet. 173 ¢: οὐδὲ θεατὴς, ὥσ-
περ ποιηταῖς.
The notion οἵ ἐπιτακτικὴ
may be compared with Kant’s
imperative of the reason: an
ideal which has immediate re-
ference to life. In Socrates,
philosophy becomes practical
without losing anything of the
speculative impulse.
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΙΚΟΣ. 15
: 260. me τινὰ θεατήν ; ἢ μᾶλλον τῆς ἐπιτακτικῆς ὡς ὄντα
αὐτὸν τέχνης θήσομεν, δεσπόζοντά γε:
NE. ΣΏ. Πῶς γὰρ οὐ μᾶλλον ;
» , 3 ”
SE. Τὴν ἐπιτακτικὴν δὴ τέχνην πάλιν ἂν εἴη
θεατέον εἴ πη διέ f δοκεῖ τῇδέ θά
εατέον εἰ πῃ διέστηκε. καί μοι δοκεῖ τῇδέ πῃ; καθά- ς
περ ἡ τῶν καπήλων τέχνη τῆς τῶν αὐτοπωλῶν διώ-
’ Ν Ν XN / x aS
ἃ ρισται τέχνης, Kai τὸ βασιλικὸν γένος ἔοικεν ἀπὸ
lad a / », 5 /
τοῦ τῶν κηρύκων γένους apwpio Oa.
NE. 2Q. Tas ;
EE. Πωληθέντα που πρότερον ἔργα ἀλλότρια
παραδεχόμενοι δεύτερον πωλοῦσι πάλιν οἱ κάπηλοι.
NE. ΣΏ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
> an Ν Ν a
EE. Οὐκοῦν καὶ τὸ κηρυκικὸν φῦλον ἐπιταχθέντ᾽
3 / / , ἐλὴν ΤᾺΝ / >
aAAOT pia νοήματα παραδεχόμενον αὐτὸ δεύτερον ἐπι-
7 7 «ς /
TATTEL πάλιν ETEPOLS.
NE. 30. ᾿Αληθέστατα.
ὍΝ S / \
HEH. Τί οὖν ; εἰς ταὐτὸν μίξομεν βασιλικὴν ἑρμη-
νευτικῇ, κελευστικῇς, μαντικῇ, κηρυκικῇ καὶ πολλαῖς
2. δεσπόζοντά ye] As the
word ruler implies. Cf. Soph.
221 ἃ : ὡς παντὸς δεῖ τοιοῦτον
εἶναι τό γε ὄνομα τοῦτο ἔχων.
5. τῇδέ πῃ} Se. διεστηκέναι.
The clause καθάπερ---ἀφωρίσθαι
is in apposition with (or ex-
plains) τῇδέ πῃ διεστηκέναι, and
the notion οἵ δοκεῖ is resumed
in ἔοικεν.
6. αὐτοπωλῶν] g MSS. have
αὐτοπώλων.
13. Οὐκοῦν — ἑτέροι.] The
change from ἐπιταχθὲν τἀλλότρια
to ἐπιταχθέντ᾽ ἀλλότρια iS 80
slight and so necessary as
hardly to deserve notice were
not the former received by
Bekker and defended by Stall-
baum. The plural ἐπιταχθέντα
and the absence of the article
are both required by the paral-
lelism to πωληθέντα-- ἀλλότρια
in the previous sentence.
is not pleonastic but emphatic.
“The heralds themselves give
orders in their turn.”
17. μίξομεν]! Bodl. Am. F.
Bekk. Tur. μίξωμεν. The other
MSS. and edd. have μίξομεν.
The point can hardly be deter-
mined, and the change either
way is extremely slight. With
Stallbaum, I am inclined to
prefer μίξομεν, as more dis-
tinctly pointing to a negative
answer.
Sie 28
αὐυτοι
10 But com-
manding
science is
distin-
guished
into origi-
nal and
derived,
much as
the manu-
15 facturer
is distin-
guished
from the re-
tail dealer.
This sepa-
rates the
king from
the herald,
the inter-
preter, the
prophet,
and others
whose duty
it may
often be to
issue com-
mands.
14 ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
ε ἢ , , 7 a , /
ETEPQAls TOUTO@V τέχναις συγγενεσιν, αι συμπᾶσαι TO Pp. 26
5 ἃ , "7 x , ΄ Ἴ:
γ᾽ ἐπιτάττειν ἔχουσιν ; ἢ βούλει, καθάπερ εἰκάζομεν
΄-“ / Ν SYA , > Ἀ Ν Ν
νῦν On, καὶ τοὔνομα παρεικάσωμεν, ἐπειδὴ καὶ σχεδὸν
3 / Ἃ £ Ν ἴω » ΄“- /
QYV@VVUEOV OV τυγχάνει TO τῶν αὐτεπιτακτῶων γενος,
Ν / ἴω / Ν \ lal /
δκαὶ ταύτῃ ταῦτα διελώμεθα, TO μεν τῶν βασιλέων
/ ᾽ ἃ > Χ / lal \ »
γένος εἰς τὴν αὐτεπιτακτικὴν θέντες, τοῦ δὲ ἄλλου
XN / BA a ΄σ
παντὸς ἀμελήσαντες, ὄνομα ἕτερον αὐτοῖς παραχω-
i? 7 7 An \ 27 “ « lol
ρήσαντες θέσθαι τινὰ ; τοῦ yap ἄρχοντος EVEKA ἡμιν
«ε 7 5 > > a
ἡ μέθοδος ἣν, ἀλλ᾽ οὐχὶ τοῦ ἐναντίου.
NE. 2Q. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
"Τὰ Οὐ a 5 δὴ lal 7 » hy ye!
ΚΞ Ὡς Οὐκοῦν ἐπειδὴ τοῦτο μετρίως ἀφέστηκεν ἀπ᾽
5 / 5 / \ XN > /
ἐκείνων, ἀλλοτριοτητι διορισθὲν προς οἰκειοτΉΤα,
an SIN 7 53 lo 3 ΧΩ 7
τοῦτο αὑτὸ πάλιν αὖ διαιρεῖν ἀναγκαῖον, εἴ τινα
Χ y yf e / 9 ’,
ΤΟμὴν ETL EXOMEV υπεικουσᾶν EV TOUT® 5
NE. =O. Πάνυ ye.
I. τούτων τέχναις συγγενέσιν
The order is τέχναις συγγενέσιν
τούτων. Many other instances
of inversion might have been
noticed.
τὸ y ἐπιτάττειν] 1. 6. by
whatever further characteristic
they may be distinguished.
2. καθάπερ εἰκάζομεν ---- παρει-
κάσωμεν] ‘Shall we form the
name analogically, inaccordance
with the comparison which we
made just now’—viz. between
the king and the αὐτοπωλής 4
ἡ. ἕτερον---τινα] Lit. “ Step-
ping aside for some other to
give them a name.” ‘The ac-
cusative before θέσθαι is pre-
ferred to the dative after
παραχωρήσαντες to avoid the
collision of two datives (ἑτέρῳ
αὐτοῖς). There is a slight irony
in παραχωρήσαντες, “ yielding
the merit to another.” Cf.
Soph. 267 b, Prot. 336 ¢
11. Οὐκοῦν---οἰκειότητα] Since
then this kind has been dis-
tinguished from the rest with
tolerable clearness, being de-
fined by contrasting what
comes from others with that
which originates with oneself.
13. εἴ Either “to divide,
if we can find a line of sec-
tion :” or, perhaps better, “ to
divide, and see whether we can
find a line of section.”
Twa τομὴν --- ἔχομεν] This
phraseology reappears in Lege.
11, 944 Ὁ: ἔχει τινα τομὴν 7
τούτων τῶν ὀνομάτων ἐπιφορά.
14. τομὴν] Cf. supr. p. 259
d, διαφυὴν, and note.
ὑπείκουσαν] “ Yielding” to
the sharp instrument of di-
vision, the “ dividing edge”
of thought. Cf Tim. 62 b:
σκληρὰ δέ, ὅσοις ἂν ἡμῶν ἡ σὰρξ
ὑπείκῃ.
Ρ. 261,
f
,
261.
IIOAITIKO2.
EE. Καὶ μὴν φαινόμεθα eye" ἀλλ᾽ ἐπακολουθῶν
/
συντεμνε.
NE. ΣΩ. Πῇ;
ΞΕ. Πάντας ὁπόσους ἂν ἄρχοντας διανοηθῶμεν
15
, , 5 ἘΠ ἢ ΄ /
ἐπιτάξει προσχρωμένους, Up οὐχ εὑρήσομεν γενέσεώς 5
-“ 4
τινος EVEKA προσταττοντᾶς 9
NE. 2Q. Πώς δ᾽ οὔ;
ΞΕ. Καὶ μὴν τά γε γιγνόμενα πάντα δίχα δια-
lal 7 /
λαβεῖν ov παντάπασι χαλεπόν.
NE. ΣΩ. πῇ;
\ \ a ,
EE. Ta μὲν ἄψυχα αὐτῶν ἐστί που ξυμπάντων,
τὰ δ᾽ ἔμψυχα.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Nai.
ἘΠῚ a / δέ 5 lol Ν “ an /
μι. OUTOLS OE YE AUTOLS TO TOV γνώστικου μέρος
5 \ 32) 57) 7 /, lol
ἐπιτακτίκον OV, εἴπερ βουλόμεθα τέμνειν, τεμοῦμεν.
NE. ΣΏ. Κατὰ τί:
aE To \ aN a a > , / >
pe I. O μέν ἔπι TALS τῶν ἀψύχων γενέσεσιν αυὖυ"
Aa , \ SR SEN rn “- ’ 7 φ᾽ an
τοῦ τάσσοντες, TO δ᾽ ἐπὶ ταῖς TOV ἐμψύχων. Kal πᾶν
οὕτως ἤδη διαιρήσεται δίχα.
NE. ΣΏ. Παντάπασί γε.
= \ \ / Sas , Ν
ΞΕ. To μὲν τοίνυν αὐτῶν παραλίπωμεν, τὸ
δ᾽
γι , 7 5) 7 Ni
ἀναλάβωμεν, ἀναλαβόντες δὲ μερισώμεθα εἰς Ovo TO
4
συμπαν.
I. ἐπακολουθῶν σύντεμνε |
“ Follow and divide with me.”
Cf. Soph. 228 c.
5. γενέσεώς τινος ἕνεκα] “ For
the sake of some production.”
The word γένεσις in Plato’s
later dialogues acquires a wide
generality of meaning. Com-
pare the following passages :
Soph. 235 e; Polit. 282 d,
283 d, 294 Ὁ: Phileb. 26 d,
ease lim 29d. ers) 10,
889 a, 892 ὁ, II, 920 6.
14. Τούτοις ---οΟὐτοῖς)] Se. τῷ
ἀψύχῳ τε καὶ ἐμψύχῳ. Cf. supr.
260a: κρίσει----καὶ ἐπιτάξει. infr.
264 6: τῷ πτηνῷ τε καὶ πεζῷ.
17. Τὸ μὲν----αὐτοῦ] “The one
segment of it” (rod τῆς γνω-
στικῆς μέρους ἐπιτακτικοῦ).
18. ταῖς τῶν ἐμψύχων] Se. γε-
“The processes which
affect living creatures.”
22. τὸ σύμπαν Epexegetic
in apposition with τὸ δέ.
νέσεσι.
10
15
20
There isa
further dis-
tinction.
All com-
mands is-
sued by a
sovereign
intend the
doing or
making of
something.
Now the
objects of
all produc-
tion, and
therefore of
works com-
manded,
are inani-
mate, like
those of
the master
builder, or
animate,
as are the
subjects of
the king.
But the
production
and nur-
ture of ani-
mals may
be cared
for either
singly or
in herds.
The States-
man is not
a groom,
but aherds-
man. And
whether we
give to this
latter
branch of
animal-
tending
the name
of herding,
or οἵ feed-
ing in
flocks, it
matters
little.
W ord-
catching
is not the
way to get
rich in
thoughts.
16 MAATOQNOZ
NE. ΣΩΏ. Λέγεις δ᾽ αὐτοῖν ἀναληπτέον εἶναι πό- p.2
τερον ;
-— , Ν Ν \ Gea 5 /
mE. [lavrws που τὸ περὶ Ta (oa ἐπιτακτικον.
> \ \ , “ lad > / > /
ov yap δὴ τὸ ye τῆς βασιλικῆς ἐπιστημὴς ἐστι ποτε
σ΄ > ΄ » a - > , > \
5 TOV ἀψύχων ἐπιστατοῦν, οἷον ἀρχιτεκτονικον, ἄλλα
/ > lal / Ν Ν Ε \ a \
YVEVVQALOTEPOV, EV τοις ζώοις και πέρι αὐτὰ TAVTA ΤῊΡ
/ /
δύναμιν ἀεὶ κεκτημένον.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Ὀρθῶς.
HE. Τήν γε μὴν τῶν ζώων γένεσιν καὶ τροφὴν
\ ΄ of ! 5 \ \ \
IoTHY μέν τις ἂν ἴδοι μονοτροφίαν οὖσαν, THY δὲ κοινὴν
ἴω 3 lad 5 7 7 . /
τῶν ev ταῖς ἀγέλαις θρεμμάτων ἐπιμέλειαν.
NE. ΣΏ. Ὀρθῶς.
HE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐ μὴν τόν γε πολιτικὸν εὑρήσομεν
7 “ ’ +S € Ἢ
ἰδιοτρόφον, ὥσπερ βοηλάτην ἢ τινα ἱπποκόμον, ἀλλ᾽
15 ἱπποφορβῷ τε καὶ βουφορβῷ μᾶλλον προσεοικότα.
NE. 30. Φαίνεταί γε δὴ ῥηθὲν νῦν.
EE. Πότερον οὖν τῆς ζωοτροφίας τὴν τῶν ξυμ-
πόλλων κοινὴν τροφὴν ἀγελαιοτροφίαν ἢ κοινοτροφι-
΄ 5 /
κήν τινα ὀνομάζωμεν ;
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. ‘Ozorepov ἂν ἐν τῷ λόγῳ συμβαίνῃ.
ΞΕ. Καλῶς γε, ὦ Σώκρατες" κἂν διαφυλάξῃς τὸ
ἣν ,’ὔ Py 4 ΕῚ / vA 3 Ἂς
μὴ σπουδάζειν ἔτι TOLS ονομᾶσι, πλουσιώτερος €lS TO
9. γένεσιν καὶ τροφὴν] The
ambiguity οἵ the word γένεσις
helps to conceal the error of
confusing the king with the
shepherd, which affords so
much matter for discussion in
what follows.
14. βοηλάτην] One who drives
an ox: as, for instance, in
ploughing.
τό. Φαίνεται----ῥ(ηθὲν viv] Cf.
Soph. 226 ἃ: Σχεδὸν οὕτω viv
λεχθὲν φαίνεται, Rep. 7, 525 d,
ἐννοῶ ῥηθέντος κιτ.λ., and com-
pare the Homeric ῥεχθὲν δέ τε
νήπιος ἔγνω.
21. τὸ μὴ σπουδάζειν ἐπὶ τοῖς
ὀνόμασι 1 Plato frequently
dwells on the danger of being
imposed on in philosophy by
words; and alludes to the viti-
ating effect which a love of ver-
bal distinction had on his con-
temporaries. Cf. e. g. Theet.
166 Ὁ, 177 8, 184 ¢3.- Soph.
218 c; Rep. 5, 454 a.
22. πλουσιώτερος εἰς TO γῆρας]
Unlike the ὀψιμαθεῖς of Soph.
|
261.
ITOAITIKO®. 17
a , ΄σ \ ~
γῆρας ἀναφανήσει φρονήσεως. viv δὲ τοῦτο μέν,
’ ’ , \ \ ,
καθαπερ διακελεύει, ποιητέον᾽ τὴν δὲ ἀγελαιοτροφι-
\ Lob yaa} al tal / > / Ἀ 7
κὴν ap ἐννοεῖς πῇ τις δίδυμον ἀποφήνας τὸ ζητούμε-
\ - “ , /
νον ev διπλασίοισι τὰ νῦν ἐν τοῖς ἡμίσεσιν εἰς τότε
7 < lal
ποιήσει ζητεῖσθαι ; 5
’ val a \
NE. 2Q. Προθυμήσομαι. καί μοι δοκεῖ τῶν μὲν
> , Ἐπ 5 σι \ 5 , ”
ἀνθρώπων ἑτέρα τις εἶναι, τῶν δὲ αὖ θηρίων addy
7
τροφὴ.
/
SE. Παντάπασί ye προθυμότατα καὶ ἀνδρειότατα
/ Χ la / > fal \ /
Ompnoa. μὴ μέντοι TovTO ye εἰσαῦθις κατὰ δύναμιν το
πάσχωμεν.
NE. 2Q. Τὸ ποῖον ;
SE. Μὴ σμικρὸν μόριον ἕν πρὸς μεγάλα καὶ
πολλὰ ἀφαιρῶμεν, μηδὲ εἴδους χωρίς: ἀλλὰ τὸ μέ.
But how
shall we
divide the
herdsman’s
art? Shall
we say at
once that
there is one
kind that
deals with
men, and
another
with
brutes ?
This is to
assume too
much. For
what is the
ground of
our distine-
tion be-
tween men
and brutes?
We must
proceed
more gra-
dually :
Ww 3) ᾽ὔ , \ \ a . 4s
pos ἅμα «idos ἐχέτω. κάλλιστον μὲν yap ἀπὸ τῶν 15 ‘ividing
ἄλλων εὐθὺς διαχωρίζειν τὸ ζητούμενον, ἂν ὀρθῶς
251 b, who are perhaps thought
of here. Cf. Phedr. sub. fin.:
πλούσιον δὲ νομίζοιμι τὸν σοφόν.
2. ἀγελαιοτροφικὴν] He again
varies the word in accordance
with the preceding remark.
“Do you perceive a way in
which, by shewing the art of
herding to be twofold, one
may cause what is now sought
amongst twice the number of
things to be then sought
amongst half that number ?”
τοῖς mp. the half, i.e. of the
double number.
4. διπλασίοισι] So H. Most
MSS. have διπλασίοις ἡ (Bodl.7).
The Ionic form of the dative
plural (which occurs again infr.
304 6) is one of the many co-
incidences in point of language
between this dialogue and the
Laws.
I4. TO μέρος ἅμα εἶδος ἐχέτω]
The spirit of this passage may
be compared with Phedr. 265
Θὲ: κατ᾽ εἴδη τέμνειν,----καὶ μὴ ἐπι-
χειρεῖν καταγνύναι μέρος μηδὲν :
Phileb. 14 6: τὰ μέλη τε καὶ
ἅμα μέρη διελὼν τῷ λόγῳ. Rep.
4, 445 d: ὅσοι---πολιτειῶν τρό--
ποι εἰσὶν εἴδη ἔχοντες. The true
dialectician is he who hits
upon the real divisions of
things : and the real divisions
are those which a true dialec-
tician would make. It is diffi-
cult to say in how far the
“form” here spoken of is ob-
jective, and how far subjective.
As we should say, “do not
divide without a principle of
division.”
τό. ἂν ὀρθῶς ἔχῃ] “If your
division proves to be the right
one.” Young Socrates is allowed
=p
each kind
as nearly
as we can
in half, and
making
sure that
we can
assign a
rational
principle
for each
distinction.
Thus
our coun-
trymen
make a
great as-
sumption
when they
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/ > / Ν ΄ > Ν es) > /
ιαίρεσιν ἐπέσπευσας TOV λόγον, ἰδὼν ἐπ᾿ ἀνθρώπους
/
πορευόμενον.
3 ΄σ΄ >
ἀλλὰ yap, ὦ ire, λεπτουργεῖν οὐκ
/ /
ἀσφαλές, διὰ μέσων δὲ ἀσφαλέστερον ἰέναι τέμνον-
™~ > 4 ΄ an
5τας, Kal μᾶλλον ἰδέαις av τις προστυγχάνοι. τοῦτο
δὲ διαφέρει τὸ πᾶν πρὸς τὰς ζητήσεις.
NE. ΣΩ. Πῶς, ὦ ξένε, λέγεις τοῦτο ;
ΞῈ. Πειρατέον ἔτι σαφέστερον φράζειν εὐνοίᾳ
“ a , 5) Σ / > “ \ 53 ~
τῆς ons φύσεως, ὦ Σώκρατες. ἐν τῷ μεν οὖν παρε-
/ \ na a
IOGTHKOTL TH νῦν δηλῶσαι
μηδὲν ἐνδεῶς ἀδύνατον"
/ / lal / Che val
ἐπιχειρητέον δέ TL καὶ σμικρῷ πλέον αὐτὸ προαγαγεῖν
’ Ν / / oS
εἰς TO πρόσθεν σαφηνείας ένεκα.
NE. ΣΏ. Ποῖον οὖν δὴ es διαιρουμένους
ἡμᾶς οὐκ ὀρθῶς ἄρτι δρᾷν ;
to fall into a natural error,
for the sake of illustrating the
difference between the right
and the wrong method.
1. καθάπερ---ἔχειν] Se. ὀρθῶς.
2. ἐπέσπευσας ---- πορευόμενον]
“You hastened the steps of the
inquiry when you saw them
directed towards mankind.”
“The Argument” is still per-
sonified.
ἐπέσπευσας τὸν λόγον] Cf.
Legg. 2, 658 ἃ: μὴ ταχὺ τὸ
τοιοῦτον κρινώμεθα, ἀλλὰ διαι-
ροῦντες κατὰ μέρη σκοπώμεθα.
3. λεπτουργεῖν] ‘To make
short work.” “To cut off too
small a piece.”
5. τοῦτο δὲ διαφέρει τὸ πᾶν]
Here, as in the latter part of
the Pheedrus, the Idea is the
true form, not separated from
the matter, but discerned by
dialectic amongst particulars :
the objective element in each
determination of thought.
8. εὐνοίᾳ τῆς ons φύσεως, ὦ
Σώκρατες] Cf. Thet. 185 ;
Soph. 266 ; Parm. 130: where
the capacity of the hearer is
likewise made the measure of
the enunciation of some great
truth. In Rep. 7, 529 e, on
the contrary, “dear Glaucon”
is not thought capable of fol-
lowing the most abstract ac-
count of dialectic. In the
present passage also Plato
breaks off abruptly: “It is
impossible to explain it per-
fectly at this present juncture.”
ἐν τῷ παρεστηκότι Ta νῦν. Per-
haps all such discussions were
reserved for the “ Philosophus ;”
and this may be one reason
why that dialogue was never
written.
Il. προαγαγεῖν] Cf. Ar. Pol.
TIT. 7: καλῶς δ᾽ ἔχει καὶ νῦν
ἀναλαβόντας αὐτὰ προαγαγεῖν.
13. Ποῖον] Governed by οὐκ
ὁρθως ---- δρᾷν, “ What mistake
do you say we have just made
in our divisions ?”
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 19
ἕ ec 3 7 > , Le
262. wa. Τοιόνδε, οἷον εἴ τις τἀνθρώπινον ἐπιχειρήσας divide
/ / , A , Σ τῆ mankin«
d δίχα διελέσθαι γένος διαιροῖ καθάπερ οἱ πολλοὶ τῶν _ into Greek
» ΄ , \ \ ε Ν 4 A Ae ant Barba-
ἐνθάδε διανέμουσι, TO μὲν Ἑλληνικὸν ὡς ἐν ἀπὸ rian, and
so would
, 3 a / / \ o a
πάντων ἀφαιροῦντες χωρίς, σύμπασι δὲ τοῖς ἄλλοις any one
, > , 5 ν > , Ὗ > , who divi-
yeveoly, απειροις ουσι και ἀμικτοῖς και ἀσυμφώνοις 5 ded num-
\ “ON ἮΝ β ΄, β - r , , bers into
7 pos a Uj] a, ap apov Le K NOEL 7 POO ELTTOVTES ten thou-
oars A , \ / A N , A ὀνας sand and
αὐτο, διὰ ταύτην THY μίαν κλῆσιν καὶ γένος EV AUTO all besides
5 A ΕΣ Ν ᾽ / 5 , ten thou-
εἶναι προσδοκῶσιν. ἢ Tov ἀριθμὸν τις αὖ νομίζοι Eo Te:
Ἄν / a ΄ > , ὃ: “ἢ would be
Kar εἰδὴ δύο διαιρεῖν μυριάδα ἀποτεμνόμενος ἀπὸ — more scien-
» « ἃ 5 » / \ lad a Ν tifie to dis-
ὁ πάντων, ὡς ἕν εἶδος ἀποχωρίζων, Kal τῷ λοιπῷ δὴ το tinguish
N , EN ok x \ “ 53 \ ~_» number
παντὶ θέμενος ev ὄνομα, διὰ τὴν κλῆσιν αὖ καὶ TOUT — into odd
’ a , Se? Ne A , ΄ and even,
ἀξιοῖ γένος ἐκείνου χωρὶς ETEPOY EV γίγνεσθαι. KaA- πᾶ man-
aes, FS ᾿ =» kindint
λιον δέ που καὶ μᾶλλον κατ᾽ εἴδη καὶ δίχα διαιροῖτ τς and
female, and
not to in-
ἄν, εἰ τὸν μὲν ἀριθμὸν ἀρτίῳ Kal περιττῷ τις τέμνοι,
3. ἐνθάδε] Se. κατὰ τὴν ‘EX- nor understanding one an-
hada. other’s speech.”
τὸ μὲν ----προσδοκῶσι)]͵ These 8. νομίζοι] “Should use,”
words are explanatory of diave- “be wont,” “adopt the custom
μουσι. Hence, as elsewhere of.” Cf. Legg. 10, 908 6: τὸ
explained, the absence of a θεοὺς νόμιζον ἀμελεῖν εἶδος.
connecting particle, or relative. 9. ἀποτεμνόμενος ] For the
Or perhaps it is better to sup- middle voice, cf. Soph, 287 a,
pose a return from the par- Pheedr. 266 a.
ticiple to the indicative in 13. μᾶλλον---δίχα] Compare
προσδοκῶσι. the stress which is laid on
5. yeveow—npocerrovres αὐτό] the bisection, if possible, of
There is a change of construc- each kind, in Phileb. 16 d:
tion: that at first intended μετὰ μίαν δύο, εἴ πως εἰσί, σκο-
being βάρβαρον ἕν ὄνομα θέμενοι, πεῖν. Cf. supr. 262 a: τὸ (η-
or something of the kind. τούμενον ἐν διπλασίοισι τανῦν ἐν
αὐτὸ, Which resumes συμπ. τ. a. τοῖς ἡμισέσιν εἰς τότε ποιήσει
γεν.; is suggested by the accu- ζητεῖσθαι : an injunction which
sative βάρβαρον. The grammar suggested the rule which the
may, of course, be saved by answer has violated. There
omitting αὐτός But this is is here the same love of pro-
unnecessary: πάλαι γὰρ ἐσμὲν portion and equality which
ἀνάπλεῳ τῶν τοιούτων. appears in Aristotle’s account
ἀμίκτοις καὶ ἀσυμφώνοις] ““Nei- of Justice. See especially his
ther holding any intercourse (or etymology of δικαστὴς, quasi
intermarrying, vid. inf. 265 6) διχαστής.
D2
kK
aS
troduce
such acci-
dental dif-
ferences as
Lydian or
Phrygian
(not to say
Greek),
until he
were ata
loss for a
distinction
which had
a rational
ground.
But, it may
be asked,
how can we
tell when a
division is
accidental
and when
real? This
question is
reserved :
and we re-
turn to the
distinction
of young
Socrates,
between
man and
the brutes.
Which is
just as if
that ra-
tional and
politic ani-
mal the
5
20
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
\ \ 5 a > , , » \ ,
τὸ δὲ ad τῶν ἀνθρώπων γένος ἄρρενι καὶ θήλει, p. 26
\ Ὁ 5, « Ν a
Λυδοὺς δὲ ἢ Φρύγας ἢ Twas ἑτέρους πρὸς ἅπαντας
΄ > 16 / ff) ’ ω 7 [γι Ν
TATTOV ἀποσχίζοι ΤΟΤΕ, ἡνίκα απττόροι yevos αμα και
/ c / « 7 - /
μέρος EUPLOKELV EKATEPOV τῶν σχισθέντων.
NE. 2Q. ᾿Ορθότατα. ἀλλὰ γὰρ τοῦτο αὐτό, ὦ
“-
/ a 57 ΄ » / !
ξένε, πῶς ἂν τις γένος καὶ μέρος ἐναργέστερον yvowN,
ε 5 / 3 oO > /
ὡς av ταὐτὸν ἐστον GAN ἕτερον ἀλλήλοιν ;
5 an an if
EE. Ὦ βέλτιστε ἀνδρῶν, οὐ φαῦλον προστάττεις,
4 «ε “-“ \ Ν “ / lal 4
Σώκρατες. ἡμεῖς μὲν καὶ νῦν μακροτέραν τοῦ δέοντος
’ « ἴω / ἴω
πλέον ἡμᾶς κελεύεις πλανηθῆναι.
> ἊΝ lo / 7 “2 ἊΝ 9 WS.
ιοάπὸ τοῦ προτεθέντος λόγου πεπλανήμεθα, σὺ δ᾽ ETL
A \ 3 “
νυν μεν οὖν, ὥσπερ
3 / > 7 3 a \ ᾽ σ΄ \
ELKOS, ἐπανίωμεν πάλιν ταῦτα δὲ εἰσαῦθις κατα TXO-
Ἂ / θ 7 9 7ὔ i
NV, καθαπερ LXVEVOVTES, μέτιμεν.
Ἂν; \ a /
ov μὴν ἀλλὰ τοῦτο
3 ΄ > a ,
ye ad παντάπασι φύλαξαι, μή ποτε Tap ἐμοῦ δόξῃς
NE. ΣΏ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
SN ΄σ / » /
τ αὐτὸ ἐναργῶς διωρισμένον ἀκηκοέναι.
5.7 o , 3
HH. Eidos τε καὶ μέρος ἕτερον ἀλλήλων εἶναι.
NE. ΣΩ. Τί μήν;
"ἘΞ Ὥ is \ “ 5 Ν ͵7ὔ SLEN
fy ds. 5 €lOOS μὲν OTQAV 7) TOU, Καὶ μέρος QUTO
2. Δυδοὺς δὲ ἢ Φρύγας ἤ τινας
ἑτέρου] There is deep irony
in the substitution of these
despised names (Eur. Alc. 675:
ὦ παῖ, τίν᾽ αὐχεῖς, πότερα Λυδὸν
ἢ Φρύγα κακοῖς ἐλαύνειν ἀργυρώ-
νητον σέθεν) for that of Ἕλληνες
as opposed to Βάρβαροι: and
the same view is continued
presently, where, to shew the
nature of the distinction be-
tween men and beasts, cranes
are put in the place of men,
whom they are supposed in
turn to include amongst the
beasts.
> - 9S a ΄, “ a 3)
"οἀναγκαίον εἶναι τοῦ πράγματος ὅτουπερ ἂν εἰδος
5. τοῦτο αὐτό] Se. λέγε or
page imphed in the question.
13. καθάπερ ixvevovres | Cf.
Theet. 187 6 : οὐκ ἀπὸ καιροῦ
πάλιν ὥσπερ ἴχνος μετελθεῖν.
14. μή ποτε---δόξῃης αὐτὸ] αὐτὸ
is again used with a more dis-
tinct reference to what follows
than to what precedes.
17. érepov] By attraction
for ἕτερα.
19. ‘Qs εἶδος μὲν--- ἀνάγκη] Cf.
Prot. 350 6, where the non-
convertibility of a universal
affirmative is similarly noticed
as a new thought. See also
1263. λέγηται: μέρος δὲ εἶδος οὐδεμία ἀνάγκη. ταύτῃ με
NE. >Q. Tair ἔσται.
NE. 52. Ποῦ:
NE. 30, ᾿Αληθῆ:
καλέσας.
ib. 329d: πότερον---ὥσπερ προσ-
ὦπου τὰ μόρια ---- στόμα τε καὶ
ῥὶς κιτιλ. ἢ ὥσπερ τὰ τοῦ χρυσοῦ
“μόρια κ.τ.λ.
1. μέρος δὲ εἶδος οὐδεμία ἀν-
ayxn| At whatever point divi-
sion is made, that which is cut
off is equally a part. But each
εἶδος, besides being part of a
whole, has a natural unity and
a character distinct from that
of every other part.
6. ὁπόθεν---ἤγαγεν] Cf. Rep.
ὃ, 5643 6: πόθεν δεῦρο ἐξετρα-
πόμεθα:
7. ὅθεν] By attraction for
ἐκεῖθεν ov.
8. μάλα mpodvpas] Supra
262 a: Προθυμότατα διήρησαι.
12. τότ Bodl. ἍΠῚ Τοῦτ:
which would seem plausible
but for the absence of the
ἊἋ al 5 > / /
ἢ Kelvyn μᾶλλον, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀεὶ φάθι λέγειν.
7 / Ν ἣ ~
¢ BE. Φρασον δή μοι TO μετὰ τοῦτο.
΄-΄- f 2 i 7 ς Cal ~ >
ΞΕ. To τῆς ἀποπλανήσεως ὅποθεν ἡμᾶς δεῦρ
5 3 \ \ ΄ “ > Ν Ν
ηγαγεν. οἶμαι μὲν γὰρ μάλιστα, ὅθεν ἐρωτηθεὶς ov
\ > , a / 9 /
τὴν ἀγελαιοτροφίαν ὅπῃ διαιρετέον εἶπες μάλα προ-
/ [Δ] 53 7 7 Ν \ 3 7, oS
θύμως Ov’ εἶναι Gov γένη, TO μὲν ἀνθρώπινον, ἕτε-
\ Κ᾿ γι
ρον δὲ τῶν ἄλλων ξυμπάντων θηρίων ἕν.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 21
crane were
to put
cranes in
one cate-
gory, and
the other
animals,
including
5 men, in
another,
with, it
may be, the
same name
of * brutes.’
Such crude
logic must
be avoided
here.
yy XN , 7 ΄σ
HE. Καὶ ἔμοιγε δὴ τότ᾽ ἐφάνης μέρος ἀφαιρῶν
e ΄σ σ΄ \ Ν 5 7 / ἵν
ἡγεῖσθαι καταλιπεῖν τὸ λοίπὸν αὖ πάντων γένος ἕν,
“ a 5. Ν > ΄ "7 x /
OTL πᾶσι TAUTOV ἐπονομάζειν εσχέρς ονόμα, θηρία
d NE. SQ. ἪΝν καὶ ταῦτα οὕτως.
/ 53 7 ?
SE. To δέ ye, ὦ πάντων ἀνδρειότατε, τάχ᾽ av,
article. μέρος is used empha-
tically as opp. to γένος : a part,
but not necessarily a kind.
13. καταλιπεῖν τὸ λοιπὸν av
πάντων γένος ἕν] “That you
had left in what remained, one
class including all.”
14. ἐπονομάζειν — καλέσας]
Note the redundancy.
17. To δέ ye] ‘‘ Whereas in
truth.” Cf. (amongst many
instances) Legg. 1, 630d: τὸ
δὲ πῶς χρῆν ἡμᾶς λέγειν 5
ὦ πάντων ἀνδρειότατε
also Legg. 10, 905 6.
This passage has a real,
though remote, bearing on
two questions which have been
associated also in recent in-
quiry— the reality of species,
and the relation of man to
the lower animals. Plato,
So
22 ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
"ἢ ’ , ΕῚ / ~ lod - fal Ἀ
εἴ που φρόνιμόν ἐστί τι ζῶον ἕτερον, οἷον δοκεῖ τὸ p. 26
a ΄, yA a yA A E Hoe Sa /
τῶν γεράνων, ἢ TL τοιοῦτον ἄλλο, * κατὰ ταῦτα ἴσως
while believing firmly ἴῃ the
existence of lines of demarca-
tion in Nature corresponding
to the distinctions of science
(not to those of common lan-
guage and opinion), appears,
so far as he has a serious
meaning under the mask of
irony, to recognize the possi-
bility of a closer relationship
between the human _ species
and other animal forms than
is readily acknowledged by
man. The object of the whole
passage, however, from p. 262
a, is, probably, to correct a
misapprehension to which the
reasoning of the Sophist might
give rise. The antithesis of
Being and Not-Being is in the
abstract exhaustive, and the
purely abstract notion of τὸ μὴ
év is perfectly definite. But
in particular inquiries, such as
the present, it is not enough
to distinguish logically, a pri-
ori, between “this” and “all
that is not this.” My con-
ception of “this” gains no-
thing from being opposed to
a wholly indefinite idea in
which there is no unity, and
which is therefore not an
idea. If the process of divi-
sion is to add anything to
knowledge, the conceptions
which exclude each other
must both be clearly seen, and
so must the boundary which
divides them. In other words,
there must be a reasonable
and clearly understood ground
or principle for each dicho-
tomy. The positive as well
as the negative element of the
conception which is rejected
-hended. For
must be recognized, in order
that the negative as well as
the positive content of the
selected notion may be appre-
instance, the
comparative study of Natural
History, Anatomy, and Physi-
ology gives a far more com-
plete notion of man’s physical
nature than is arrived at
through the observation of man
himself, or through the mere
distinction at first hand be-
tween man and the brutes.
1. φρόνιμον----τὸ τῶν γεράνων
The migratory habits of the
crane gave him an important
place in ancient fable. (Hom.
Il. r. 3-7.) Aristotle suggests
the following reasons for sup-
posing the existence of reason
in the crane. De Anim. H. ix.
11: Φρόνιμα δὲ πολλὰ καὶ περὶ
τῶν γεράνων δοκεῖ συμβαίνειν.
ἐκτοπίζουσι γὰρ μακράν, καὶ εἰς
bos πέτονται πρὸς τὸ καθορᾷν τὰ
πόρρω καὶ ἐὰν ἴδωσι νέφη καὶ
χειμέρια, καταπτᾶσαι ἡσυχάζου-
σιν. “Ere δὲ τὸ ἔχειν ἡγεμόνα τε
καὶ τοὺς ἐπισυρίττοντας ἐν τοῖς
ἐσχάτοις, ὥστε κατακούεσθαι τὴν
φωνήν. Ὅταν δὲ καθέζωντιιι, ai
μὲν ἄλλαι ὑπὸ τῇ πτερύγι τὴν
κεφαλὴν ἔχουσαι καθεύδουσιν ἐπὶ
ἑνὸς ποδὸς ἐναλλάξ, ὁ δὲ ἡγεμὼν
γυμνὴν ἔχων τὴν κεφαλὴν mpoopa,
καὶ ὅταν αἴσθηταί τι σημαίνει
βοῶν.
τὸ τῶν γεράνων] Se. γένος,
infr. Or simply -- οἱ γέρανοι.
Cf. supr.: τὸ τῆς ἀποπλανήσεως.
2. * κατὰ ταὐτὰ] MSS. ὃ κατὰ
ταὐτὰ, ὃ, which the Zurich
editors reject and Bekker and
Hermann include in brackets,
is indefensible because inter-
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
23
{ 6 , , N , , \ A /
263. διονομαζοι, καθάπερ Kai σύ, yepavovs μὲν ἕν γένος
> \ ἴω » / Ν a SLAIN « a
ἀντιτιθεν τοῖς ἄλλοις ζώοις καὶ σεμνυνον αὐτὸ EAUTO,
\ \ - > δ > Sia
Ta δὲ ἄλλα μετὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ξυλλιιβὸν εἰς ταὐτὸ
OX 7 Ἁ 7 / / fal
οὐδὲν ἄλλο πλὴν tows θηρία προσείποι. πειραθῶμεν
Ly Ὁ ἴω Lal / / lal
οὖν ἡμεῖς ἐξευλαβεῖσθαι πάνθ᾽ ὁπόσα τοιαῦτα.
NE. ΣΩ. Πῶώς;
\ a Χ ζω /, Υ / ἡ
EE. Μὴ πᾶν τὸ τῶν ζώων γένος διαιρούμενοι, ἵνα
ἧττον αὐτὰ πάσχωμεν.
NE.
cH DR
NE. 50. Τί δή:
EE.
Sv Sy
γάρ:
rupting the sense between ἂν
and διονομάζοι, where the opt. is
required by προσείποι infr. διο-
νομάζοι = distinguish in words.
Note the return to the more
direct constr. in προσείποι.
2. σεμνῦνον --- éavtd] Cf.
Phileb. 28 d: of σοφοί, ἑαυτοὺς
ὄντως σεμνύνοντες.
4. προσείποι] There is a re-
turn from the participial to the
more direct construction.
5. ἐξευλαβεῖσθαι ---- τοιαῦτα |
“ Keep ourselves quite free
from any such error.”
Where the use of compounds
is so frequent, it is unsafe to
lay too much stress on the
meaning of prefixes. Hence
in Soph. 231 ¢ (where see note)
perhaps ἐξαναπνεύσωμεν means
simply “to recover breath,” as
in Pheedr. 254 ©.
7. Μὴ πᾶν τὸ τῶν ζώων διαιρ.]
“ By not making the whole
animal kingdom the object of
DQ. Οὐδὲν yap δεῖ.
\ 3 ΄ ε , ,
Kai yap οὖν Kai τότε ἡμαρτάνετο TAUTN.
΄-“ a 7 ἈΝ Gain 7
Τῆς γνωστικῆς ὅσον ἐπιτακτικὸν ἡμῖν μέρος,
a a ’ὕ » / Ν as
ν που TOU ζωοτροφικοῦ γένους, ἀγελαίων μὴν ζώων.
our (final) division.” 1. 6. By
first subdividing it so as to
deal with a part only.
8. αὐτὰ] Cf. Theet. 207 d:
δρῶντας αὐτά.
9. Οὐδὲν γὰρ δεῖ] Either “ In-
deed we must ποῦ :” or, if οὐδὲν
refers to ἧττον, “We must avoid
it altogether—he (not less liable
but) not at all liable to this
mistake.’’ The former is more
idiomatic.
Το. καὶ τότε] Also in a former
division: viz. 261 d, where
we distinguished ἡ τῶν ἀγελαίων
ζώων ἐπιτακτικη. All animals,
whether gregarious or other-
wise, should have been first dis-
inguished into wild and tame.
12. ὅσον --- μέρος] Sub. ἦν
from next clause.
13. ἀγελαίων μὴν ζώων] Cf.
Legg. 3, 694 6 (Cyrus is spoken
of): ὁ δέ ye πατὴρ αὐτοῖς αὖ
ποίμνια μὲν καὶ πρόβατα καὶ ἀγέλας
ἀνδρῶν τε καὶ ἄλλων πολλῶν πολ-
Io We had
already
erred in the
same direc-
tion when
we spoke of
our “* com-
manding
science” as
concerned
with herd-
ed animals,
For there
is a pre-
vious divi-
sion of ani-
mals into
wild and
tame, and
this we
passed
over. Let
us be more
guarded,
now that
we have
felt the
truth of the
proverb,
«* More
haste,
worse
speed.”
We may
thus arrive
at the same
result, but
it will be
worked out
for us in a
more satis-
factory
way.
5
10
15
24
NE. 2Q. Nai.
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
/ ” Ν / / Ν
EE. Διήρητο τοίνυν ἤδη καὶ τότε ξύμπαν τὸ
ζῶον τῷ τιθασῷ καὶ ἀγρίῳ.
ἐ [ [
\ \ \ “ἢ
τὰ μὲν yap ἐχοντα
/ , “ , \ \ \
τιθασεύεσθαι φύσιν ἥμερα προσείρηται, τὰ δὲ μὴ
ἔχοντα ἄγρια.
NE. 2Q. Καλώς.
HOR
ἡμέροις
ᾧητητέα θρέμμασιν.
NE. 20. Nai.
cA OF
“
ATTAVTA
\\ / 6 Ν a r 5
TAXU YVEYOMEVA Προς Τῇ TOALTLKY).
e na
“Hv δέ ye θηρεύομεν
/ ,’ ΄σ
ἐπιστήμην, ἐν τοῖς
53 Ν 4 τ a > , ‘
ἣν TE καὶ ἐστιν, ETL τοῖς ἀγελαίοις μεν
\ / , y y
Μὴ τοίνυν διαιρώμεθα ὥσπερ τότε, πρὸς
ἀποβλέψαντες, μηδὲ σπεύσαντες, ἵνα δὴ
πεποίηκε γὰρ
A a Ν Ν \ ‘ iv
ἡμᾶς Kal νῦν παθεῖν τὸ κατὰ THY παροιμίαν παθος.
NE. 2Q. [Ποῖον ;
HE. Οὐχ ἡσύχους εὖ διαιροῦντας ἠνυκέναι Bpadv-
τερον.
NE. ΣΩ. Καὶ καλῶς γε, ὦ ξένε, πεποίηκεν.
ZE. Ταῦτ᾽ ἔστω.
πάλιν 6 οὖν ἐξ ἀρχῆς
Χ A / Co) 3) \
20THY κοινοτροφικὴν πειρώμεθα διαιρεῖν: tows yap
καὶ τοῦτο,
Ib. 5, 735: πᾶσαν
ἀγέλην ποιμὴν καὶ BovKodos Tpo-
φεύς τε οὐκ ἄλλως μήποτε ἐπιχει-
ρήσῃ θεραπεύειν.
3. ἔχοντα--φύσι»ν)] “ Whose
nature admitted οἵ domestica-
tion.”
8. ἦν] Cf. 263 e.
μὲν introduces a qualifica-
tion, which would be expressed
in English by an emphasis on
the adjective.
12. ἵνα δὴ] Cf. Theet. 183 a:
iva δὴ---ὀρθὴ φανῇ.
τύ, Οὐχ ἡσύχους---βραδύτερο»]
λὰς ἐκτᾶτο.
ἃ XN a / ε
Ὁ σὺ προθυμεῖ, διαπεραινόμενος ὁ
The proverb (- “ More haste,
worse speed”) seems to be given
verbatim, except that διαιροῦν-
τας is substituted for some more
general word.
εὖ] “ Carefully.”
18. Kal καλῶς ye] Le. “ We
have reason to be glad of the
delay.”
21. τοῦτο αὐτὸ ὃ σὺ mpobupei]
1. 6. the definition of man, as
the object of the statesman’s
art. Supr. 262 Ὁ: ἰδὼν ἐπ᾽ ἀν-
θρώπους πορευόμενον.
διαπεραινόμενος--μηνύσει}] Cf.
Ῥ. 26
Ῥ. 26,
b
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. Q5
264. λόγος αὐτός κάλλιον μηνύσει. καί
φράζε.
NE. ΣΏ. Ποῖον δή ;
μααὶ 4 ν᾽ ΄ >
mE. Tode, εἰ τινων πολλάκις τ δια κη κοῖς: οὐ
σοι
Gregarious
tame ani-
e yap δὴ προστυχής ye αὐτὸς οἷδ᾽ ὅτι γέγονας ταῖς ἐν 5. mals in-
clude
τῷ Νείλῳ τιθασείαις τῶν ἰχθύων καὶ τῶν ἐν ταῖς
shoals of
A , > \ \ ΄ le tye fish and
βασιλικαῖς λίμναις. ἐν μὲν yap κρῆναις TAX ἂν flocks of
geese and
5 7 ’ /
ἴσως εἴης noOnpevos. Crimean
witness the
fishponds
of Egypt
and Baby-
lon and the
plains of
Thessaly.
NE. ΣΏ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν καὶ ταῦτα τεθέαμαι κἀ-
κεῖνα πολλῶν ἀκήκοα. 10
SE. Kal μὴν ynvoBwrias ye καὶ yepavoBwrias,
Legs. 7, 799 6: κἂν ἡ διέξ-
odos αὕτη ὅλη σχοῦσα τέλος ἱκα-
νῶς ἂν μηνύσειε καὶ τὸ νῦν διαπο-
ρούμενον. Arist. Pol. IIT.3: αὐτὸ
yap φανὲν τὸ λεχθὲν ποιεῖ δῆλον.
τῶν ἐν ταῖς β. λίμναι] Se.
ἰχθύων. As if the former phrase
had been ταῖς τῶν ἐν τῷ N.
ἰχθύων τιθασείαις. “I know you
have never had an opportunity
I. avros—pnvioe| Cf. Thest.
200 6: τάχ᾽ ἂν αὐτὸ φήνειε τὸ
(nrovpevov. Phileb.20: προϊὸν δ᾽
ἔτι σαφέστερον δείξει.
4. Τόδε, εἴ τινων] “ This,
whether you have perhaps
heard of it.” Cf. Theeet. 158 c:
τὸ ποῖον ; Ὃ πολλάκις σε οἶμαι
διακηκοέναι ἐρωτώντων κιτιλ. It
does not seem certain whether
πολλάκις is here “ perhaps” (cf.
Laches 194 a, Protag. 361 ὁ,
Polit. infr. 283 b) or “often :”
ef. πολλῶν infr.c. But the for-
mer is more probable.
5- mpooruxns | This word oc-
curs again in the Laws and
Epinomis, and nowhere else
in Plato, or indeed in Greek.
6. τιθασείαι.] This word, an
abstract noun formed from
τιθασεύω, occurs nowhere else
in classical Greek. The plural
of the abstract noun is used to
express the concrete.
of seeing how tame fish are
kept in the Nile and in the
ponds of the Great King.”
II. yepavoBwrias| The flocks
of cranes are probably sug-
gested by the previous mention
of the crane. The crane is
classed with man by Aristotle
as not only ἀγελαῖον but πολιτι-
κὸν ζῶον, the form of his con-
stitution being a monarchy.
De Anim. Hist. I. 1. § 11:
λιτικὰ δ᾽ ἐστὶν ὧν & τι καὶ κοινὸν
γίγνεται πάντων τὸ ἔργον, ὅπερ οὐ
πάντα ποιεῖ τὰ ἀγελαῖα. Ἔστι δὲ
τοιοῦτον ἄνθρωπος, μέλιττα, σφὴξ,
μυρμὴξ, γέρανος.
μὲν ὑφ᾽ ἡγεμόνα ἐστί, τὰ δ᾽ ἄναρχα,
οἷον γέρανος μὲν καὶ τὸ τῶν μελιτ-
τῶν γένος ὑφ᾽ ἡγεμόνα, μυρμήκες
T7O-
,
καὶ τούτων τὰ
δὲ καὶ μυρία ἄλλα ἄναρχα. Com-
pare Plat. Pheedo 82 b: πολι-
τικόν τε Kal ἥμερον γένος, ἢ που
΄“ x ~ x LA
μελιττῶν, ἢ σφηκῶν ἢ μυρμήκων----
x
ἢ TO ἀνθρώπινον.
26 IAATOQNOZ
> Ν \ /, Ν \ ἈΝ ͵
Hence the εἰ καὶ μὴ πεπλάνησαι περὶ τὰ Θετταλικὰ πεδία, p. 264
art of herd-
ing may be
divided
΄, A , 5
πέπυσαι γοῦν καὶ πιστεύεις εἶναι.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Τί μήν:
into sub-
aqueousand ms = , ᾿ Soha? a ;
terrene. SE. Τοῦδ᾽ ἕνεκά τοι πάντα ἠρώτησα ταῦτα, διότι ἃ
And of the a = ’ ; ee eS ἐξ
terrene ὃὅτῆς τῶν ἀγελαίων τροφῆς ἐστι μὲν ἔνυδρον, ἔστι δὲ
creatures, \ ΄
onde Kal ξηροβατικόν.
are fledged. 3 \ 5
Statecraft NE, 2Q. Ἔστι yap οὖν.
is ied 9 > > a , om
Sian τὰ δὰ HE. ἾΑρ᾽ οὖν καὶ σοὶ ξυνδοκεῖ ταύτῃ δεῖν διχα-
dno \ \ , > 7 7,
ΠΗ Cw τὴν κοινοτροφικὴν ἐπιστήμην, ἐφ ἑκατέρῳ τού-
animals: \ , > 05 5 ΄, cu, \ Ἢ
ali. τῶν TO μέρος αὑτῆς ἐπινέμοντας ἑκάτερον, TO μὲν
dividing “ ς \ > ΄ Go ἐν be
these, rea- ετέρον ὑγροτροφικὸν ον ομάζον Tas, TO ὃ ετέρον Enpo
son points (0) ὃ
outalonger ΤΡ οφικον 2
anda short- NE. ΣΩ. "Epocye.
er way.
. = Ν \ Ν X\ S 7 > ?
peared BE. Kat μὴν καὶ τὸ βασιλικὸν οὕτως ov ζητή-
accordance 15 σομεν ὁποτέρας ἐστὶ τῆς τέχνης" δῆλον γὰρ δὴ ε
with the
principles παντί.
tem ND), MBO δ᾽ οἷ:
but, as we Ἢ n
have lei- HE. Πᾶς μὲν δὴ τό γε ξηροτροφικὸν τῆς aye-
sure, we 3 «
may try. λαιοτροφίας διέλοιτ᾽ ἂν φῦλον.
oth—o a
course in 20 NE. 2Q. Πῶς 5
turn: tak- a z a
ing the =E. Τῷ πτηνῷ τε καὶ πεζῷ διορισάμενος.
longer
way first, NE. 30. ᾿Αληθέστατα.
whilst we ΓΞ} , , Q Ὁ μος Sean ς Ἄ
are fresh. SE. Ti δέ; τὸ πολιτικὸν “ὼς περὶ τὸ πεζὸν
4. Τοῦδ᾽ ἕνεκά τοι] Cf. Theeet.
185 d: τοῦδέ τοι ἕνεκα αὐτά σοι
διακριβοῦμαι.
5. (ξηροβωτικόν i) The words
ἐνυδρὸν and ξηροβατικὸν are ap-
plied to birds by Aristotle, in
the only other place where the
latter word occurs in classical
Greek.7 ΕΠ Al vi-g2 ments (ui
vulgd ξηροβιωτικόν).
14. Kat μὴν καὶ---παντί] “ If
we divide thus, we shall also
be saved the trouble of asking
to which art the kingly func-
tion belongs: for this will be
evident to all.”
ποιήσαντες.
23. *as περὶ τὸ πεζὸν] Stall-
baum is wrong in saying that
Bekker took his reading εἰ περὶ
from the majority of MSS.
The following are the varia-
tions, as quoted by him :—e
"
εἴπερ
περὶ; ὥσπερ EL; ἢ ὥσπερ C et
“ ΄
ουτῶς = TOUTO
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 27
εἰπεῖν δοξάζειν οὕτως ;
NE. SQ. "Eyoye.
. 264. ζητητέον ; ἢ οὐκ οἴει καὶ TOV ἀφῤρονεστατον ὡς ἔπος
ΞΕ. Τὴν δὲ πεζονομικήν, καθάπερ ἄρτιον ἀρι-
θμόν, δεῖ τεμνομένην δίχα ἀποφαίνειν.
NE. ΣΏ. Δῆλον.
bomen Ν σ , ad CLA ε
SE. Καὶ μὴν ἐφ᾽ ὁ γε μέρος ὥρμηκεν ἡμῖν ὁ
7 99 » lal / \ al « \ ,
λόγος, ἐπ᾿ ἐκεῖνο δύο τινὲ καθορᾷν ὁδὼ TeTapeva
φαίνεται, τὴν μὲν θάττω, πρὸς μέγα μέρος σμικρὸν
’, Χ Ψ. > “- / A We
διαιρουμένην, τὴν δέ, ὅπερ ἐν τῷ πρόσθεν ἐλέγομεν,
σ -“ o « ΄ And) aS, “
ὅτι δεῖ μεσοτομεῖν ὡς μάλιστα, TOUT εχουσαν μαλ-
265. λον, μακροτέραν γε μήν.
y, 3 « / a
ἔξεστιν OUY, οποτέερᾶν ἂν
βουληθῶμεν, ταύτην πορευθῆναι.
re ἘΠ; ἢ ὥσπερ H; ὥσπερ ἃ ς
i.e. the rest with Stephanus’
ed.) Bekker’s reading, εἰ περὶ
τ. π., ζητητέον, would be more
plausible if καὶ μὴν---οὐ ζητή-
σομεν were immediately pre-
ceding. Heindorf’s, ἢ περὶ τ.
π. ᾧ,, is not improbable in itself,
but has weak MS. confirma-
tion.
If ὡς περὶ is right, this had
probably been corrupted into
ὡσπερεὶ, and hence, through
transposition, the variety. This
reading inyolves ἃ consider-
able ellipse, viz. of ἢ καὶ τοῦτο
δῆλον ; or the like words. Cf.
Soph. 248 d: To δὲ, ὡς, κιτιλ.,
and note.
4. καθάπερ ἄρτιον ἀριθμόν |
Stallb. has adopted Ast’s conj.,
καθάπερ ἄρτι τὸν a., but such a
reference would be superfluous
and without point. The Stran-
ger, as presently appears more
clearly, does not forget the stu-
dies in which young Socrates
has been imbued by Theodorus,
and uses ‘even number’ as a
familiar example of that which
can be halved: the object being
still to divide each class as
nearly as possible in the middle
(μεσοτομεῖν infr., ἐν ἡμίσεσι ---
ζητεῖσθαι supr.). Comp. Legg.
10, 895 6, cited by the Zurich
editors, who are curiously mis-
understood by Stallbaum. The
definition of even number is
there said to be ὁ δίχα διαιρού-
pevos. There is probably no
distinct allusion to the former
mention of ἄρτιον καὶ περιτ-
τόν.
7. ὥρμηκεν] Cf. supr. 262 Ὁ:
ἐπ᾿ ἀνθρώπους πορευόμενον.
8. καθορᾷν----ῴφαίνεται) Se. 6
λόγος, still personified.
II. μεσοτομεῖν] The same love
of ‘measure’ appears as an
ethical notion in Legg. 7, 793
&: τὸν λύπης τε καὶ ἡδονῆς akpa-
τον βίον φεύγειν δεῖν πάντας,
μέσον δέ τινα τέμνειν ἀεί.
Ἐπ 2
28 MAATQNOZ ;
NE. ΣΩ. Ti δέ; ἀμφοτέρας ἀδύνατον ;
ΞΕ. Ἅμα γ᾽, ὦ θαυμαστέ: ἐν μέρει γε μὴν
Ρ. 265.
δῆλον ὅτι δυνατόν.
NE. ΣΩ. Ἔν μέρει τοίνυν ἔγωγε ἀμφοτέρας αἱ- b
5 ροῦμαι.
EE. Ῥάδιον, ἐπειδὴ τὸ λοιπὸν βραχύ. κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς
\ \ A oA a / \ x 5 ᾿
μὴν καὶ μεσοῦσιν ἅμα τῆς πορείας χαλεπὸν av ἣν Ι
a
ε a XN / Fy a > > \ lal / Χ
ἡμῖν τὸ προσταγμα᾽ νῦν δ᾽, ἐπειδὴ δοκεῖ ταύτῃ, τὴν
/ / 57 / \ y+
μακροτέραν πρότερον Ἰωμεν᾽ νεαλέστεροι yap ὄντες
ea 3. ΕΝ ΄ \ \ SS 7, σ
ιοβᾷον αὐτὴν πορευσόμεθα. τὴν δὲ δὴ διαίρεσιν Opa.
NE. 2Q. Λέγε.
Gregarious BE. Ta πεζὰ ἡμῖν τῶν ἡμέρων, ὅσαπερ ἀγελαῖα,
ἜΣ ΝΣ διῃρημένα ἐστὶ φύσει δίχα.
δ οι, ἈΠ, XO, None
eee ΞΕ: Τῷ τῶν μὲν τὴν γένεσιν ἄκερων εἶναι, τῶν
Thisdis δὲ κερασφύρον. 8
τ το ον NE. 3Q. Φαννεται.
eee EE. Τὴν δὴ πεζονομικὴν διελὼν ἀπόδος ἑκατέρῳ
vee σῷ μέρει, λόγῳ χρώμενος. ἂν γὰρ ὀνομάζειν αὐτὰ
2. βουληθῇς, ἔσται σοι περιπεπλεγμένον μᾶλλον τοῦ
΄
δέοντος.
2. ὦ θαυμαστέ] “ What a
thing to ask!” This expres-
sion throws some light on the
common use of ὦ θαυμάσιε.
4. ἀμφοτέρας] πορευθῆναι is
probably to be supplied.
6. ἐπειδὴ---βραχύ] The poor
youth is deceived into thinking
that he is near the end of his
journey : τὸ δ᾽ ἦν ἄρα, ὡς ἔοικε,
προοίμιον.
κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς) This is one of
the expressions which occur
frequently in the Politicus and
Laws.
9. νεαλέστεροι] ‘ While still
fresh.” See Passow or Liddell
and Scott sub. v.
15. τὴν γένεσιν] “ Theirgrowth
or mode of existence.” γένεσις
here almost = φύσις. “In that
some are produced without
horns and others with them.”
18. ἀπόδος] Sc. τὸ προσῆκον,
or τὴν πρόσρησιν, which would
be generally ὄνομα, but here
λόγον. Compare Antisthenes’
sneer, that definition is only a
roundabout way of naming.
20. περιπεπλεγμένον͵] EH. g.
κεροφορονομευτικὴ, κολοβοκερατο-
νομικῆ. “ Using description,
, 265.
d
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
29
NE. 2Q. Πῶς οὖν χρὴ λέγειν ;
ΞΕ. Ὧδε: τῆς πεζονομικῆς ἐπιστήμης δίχα διαι-
72 Ν / / 3 ΄'
ρεθείσης τὸ μόριον θάτερον ἐπὶ τῷ κεροφύρῳ μέρει
ῶ a > ΩΝ > , 6 Ν δὲ “ἤ πρὸς al “-
TE TNS αγελῇς ETLTETAYX al, TO O€ ETEPOV ἐπι T@ TS
4
ἀκεράτου.
NE. ΣΏ. Ταῦτ᾽ ἔστω ταύτῃ λεχθέντα' πάντως
γὰρ ἱκανῶς δεδήλωται.
μ- Ν \ “ \ ἘΠ “Ὁ 3
mE. Καὶ μὴν ὃ γε βασιλεὺς ἡμῖν αὖ κατα-
\ σ XN 5 / A 4
φανὴς ὅτι κολοβὸν ἀγέλην τινὰ κεράτων vo-
/
EVEL.
NE. 2Q. Πῶς yap ov δῆλος ;
=E aN / / θ / Ν 7
me 1}. αὐτὴν τοινὺν κατασραυσάᾶντες, TO γιγνο-
> “ / 3 ~
μενον αὑτῷ πειρώμεθα ἀποδοῦναι.
2
NE. ΣΏ. Πάνυ γε.
EE. Πότερον οὖν βούλει τῷ σχιστῷ τε καὶ τῷ:
/ / ΄- 41 Ὁ Ἃ a 7
καλουμένῳ μώνυχι διαιρεῖν αὐτὴν ἢ τῇ κοινογονίᾳ τε
Ν ἰὃ / 5 θ 7 7
και LOLOYOVLA 5 μᾶν QVELS γὰρ που.
NE. >Q. Τὸ ποῖον ;
HE. Ὅτι τὸ μὲν τῶν
ἐξ ἀλλήλων γεννᾷν.
NE. ΣΟ: Nai.
for should you attempt to name
them, the result would be too
complicated.” The Gaution
would apply still more point-
edly to what follows.
4. τῷ τῆς akepdrov| Se. μέρει.
The genitive of apposition is
used (instead of τῷ ἀκεράτῳ) by
attraction from ἀγέλης prece-
ding.
9. κολοβὸν ---- κεράτων] “A
polled herd.” The gen. after
a privative adj., like ἄχαλκος
ἀσπίδων.
12. τὸ yeyvopevov] “ That
which falls to him.” Cf. Legg.11,
cd Ν + ,
ἱππὼν καὶ OVOV πέφυκεν
920 6: ἰδεῖν λῆμμά τε καὶ ἀνά-
λωμα τί ποτε τῷ καπήλῳ κέρδος
ποιεῖ τὸ μέτριον γράψαντας δὲ,
θεῖναι τὸ γιγνόμενον ἀνάλωμα καὶ
λῆμμα καὶ φυλάττειν. Ib. 12,
949 d: τὸ δὲ νόμισμα γίγνεσθαι
τῇ πόλει. Thue. V. 49: ὁ τῷ
θεῷ γίγνεται αὐτοὶ ὑπὲρ ἐκείνων
nity
ἐκτίσειν.
15. τῷ καλουμένῳ μώνυχι] This
expression indicates the fact
that μῶνυξ was a rare word out
of Homer. The characteristic
of having solid hoofs is found
to be coincident with that of
making hybrids.
5
The king
is the
keeper of
a horuless
Toberd. But
σι
20
hornless
cattle are
again di-
vided by a
double dis-
tinction :
into those
which mix
the breed
and divide
not the
hoof, and
thosewhich
divide the
foot and do
not mix
their breed.
The latter
description
includes
only two
kinds.
For dogs,
though so-
ciable, are
not grega-
rious. The
ground of
distinction
between
these two
should be
obvious to
a friend of
Theztetus
and a geo-
metrician.
Man walks
by a power
of two feet:
theremain-
ing kind is
potentially
represent-
ed by the
Io
30 ITAATQNOZ
HE. To δέ ye λοιπὸν ἔτι τῆς λείας ἀγέλης τῶν
ἡμέρων ἀμιγὲς γένει πρὸς ἄλληλα.
NE. 2Q. Τιὸς δ᾽ ov;
μ--ἰ Ν y > ᾽ ,ὔ 7
ΞΕ. Τί δ᾽; ὁ πολιτικὸς ap ἐπιμέλειαν ἔχειν
/ / “ 7 la
sbaiverar πότερα Kowoyevovs φύσεως ἢ τινος ἰδιο-
γενοῦς ;
NE. ΣΏ. Δῆλον ὅτι τῆς ἀμίκτου.
EE. Ταύτην δὴ δεῖ καθάπερ τὰ ἔμπροσθεν, ὡς
ἔοικεν, ἡμᾶς δίχα διαστέλλειν.
NE. 2Q. Δεῖ γὰρ οὖν.
ΞΕ. Καὶ μὴν τό γε ζῶον, ὅσον 7, i ἀγε-
; ; ἥμερον καὶ aye
λαῖον, σχεδὸν πλὴν γενοῖν δυοῖν πᾶν ἤδη κατακεκερ-
’
ματισται.
N \ a a > 5 7
TO γὰρ Τῶν κυνῶν OUK ἐπάξιον Κατ-
“ 7 ε 3 3 , i
αριθμεῖν γένος ws ev ἀγελαίοις θρέμμασιν.
5 ΝΕ. 20. Οὐ γὰρ οὖν.
διαιροῦμεν ;
\ \ Ἂν
ἀλλὰ τίνι δὴ τὼ δύο
@ ul 4 \
HE. Ὥιπερ καὶ δίκαιόν ye Θεαίτητον τε καὶ σὲ
, χ ᾿ , “
διανέμειν, ἐπειδὴ καὶ γεωμετρίας ἅπτεσθον.
NE. ΣΩ. Τῷ;
ΞΕ. Τῇ διαμέτρῳ δήπου καὶ
μέτρου διαμέτρῳ.
Lament When the horse
and ass are taken from the
hornless cattle.
λείας I. 6. κολοβοκεράτου.
2. ἀμιγὲς γένει] “ Do not mix
their breed.” Dat. of the mode,
like φύσει.
4. ὁ πολιτικὸς ap | For the
late position of the interroga-
tive πότερα in the sentence,
compare Soph. 237 ¢: ἔχειν do-
κοῦμεν ἂν eis τί, and note. Supr.
261 c: Λέγεις δὲ---πότερον. Rep.
9,571 6: Λέγεις δὲ καὶ τίνας ;
17. δίκαιον] “ It is to be ex-
πάλιν τῇ τῆς δια-
pected of you.” Cf Meno 85 6:
δίκαιος yap εἶ εἰδέναι.
20. Τῇ διαμέτρῳ δήπου] The
diameter of the unit square was
the subject of some of the ear-
liest lessons in that geometrical
arithmetic through which alone
numbers had hitherto been stu-
died: and it had been observed
that this diameter is equal to
the square-root of two. Hence,
a foot being always the unit,
this line was known both as 7
διάμετρος and as ἡ διάμετρος 7
δυνάμει δίπους : and it is the
Ῥ. 265,
p. 26
266.
ΤΡ
MOAITIKOX.
NE. >. Πῶς εἶπες ;
/ aA Ν 7 c “ nA
BE. Ἢ φύσις, ἣν τὸ γένος ἡμῶν τῶν
91
» /
ἀνθρώπων
/ a 37 , Ν / / Δ
κέκτηται, μῶν ἄλλως πως εἰς τὴν πορείαν πέφυκεν ἢ
καθάπερ ἡ διάμετρος ἡ δυνάμει δίπους ;
NE. SQ. Οὐκ ἄλλως.
μι \ “ a qn / 7 >
ΜΞ Εἰ. Kai μὴν ἢ ye τοῦ λοιποῦ γένους πάλιν ἐστὶ
abbreviated form of the latter
expression, viz. δίπους δύναμις,
which gives occasion to the
Stranger’s somewhat laborious
pleasantry.
The incommensurability of
this diameter with the side of
the square (of ,/2 with 1) was
one of the most familiar lessons
of this early geometry. Hence,
possibly ὃ, the omission of 2
amongst the προμήκεις ἀριθμοὶ
in the demonstration of Theo-
dorus (Theet. 147 d: τῆς τε τρί.
modos πέρι kal πεντέποδος k.T.d.),
it being taken for granted,
without proof, that the δίπους
δύναμις Was μήκει ov Evpperpos
τῇ ποδιαίᾳ.
While these were still recent
discoveries, philosophers were
led to see fanciful analogies to
them in other departments of
knowledge. Plato here satir-
izes a tendency from which he
was not at this time himself
wholly free. The smile is al-
ready on his face which pre-
sently breaks into a laugh.
Our view has been restricted
to tame gregarious animals :
to tame animals that tread the
ground, that cannot fly, that
have no horns, that divide the
foot: thus oxen, horses, asses
are excluded; dogs are not gre-
garious. What remain? What
but swine and men? Human
progression is measured by the
power of two feet, that of
swine, the only remaining ani-
mal, by the power of four. This
interpretation has been well
supported by Dr. Badham in
the ‘ Epistola’ prefixed to his
edition of the Euthydemus and
Laches.
I. Πῶς εἶπες :)] “ What did
you say?” Expressing a not
very unnatural surprise.
6. ἐστὶ κατὰ δύναμιν αὖ τῆς
ἡμετέρας δυνάμεως διάμετρος] “Is
again potentially expressed by
the diameter of our diameter,”
i.e. the diameter of the square of
which our diameter, ,/ 2, is the
side. As the diameter of the
unit square is 4/2, so the dia-
meter of the square of ,/2 is
/4. This appears, without
the help of arithmetic, from
the following diagram :
ab 1 square foot; ed dia-
meter of αὖ, and side of 2 ft.
square dee; de diameter of
2 ft. square; df square on
de:= 4 square feet.
a As suggested by a favourable critic in the National Review.
diameter
of the
human
power 2 Or
in other
words,
walks by
a power of
5 four feet.
32 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
A
Thus man
is differen-
\ / 3 “ « 7 ΄ /
κατὰ δύναμιν αὖ τῆς ἡμετέρας δυνάμεως διάμετρος, p. 266.
tiated from εἴπερ δυοῖν γέ ἐστι ποδοῖν δὶς πεφυκυῖα.
ΔΕ; NE. ΣΩΏ. Πῶς δ᾽ οὐκ ἔστι; καὶ δὴ καὶ σχεδὸν !
ὃ βούλει δηλοῦν μανθάνω.
This is 5 (ΞΕ. Πρὸς δὴ τούτοις ἕτερον αὖ τι τῶν πρὸς
enough. γέλωτα εὐδοκιμησάντων av, ὦ Σώκρατες, apa καθο-
ΠΝ ρῶμεν ἡμῖν γεγονὸς ἐν τοῖς διῃρημένοις ; ο
that this NE. 2Q. To ποῖον ; |
aaa EE. TavOpdmwov ἡμῶν ἅμα γένος EvveAnyos
creature
Ν / an an 7 ΄΄
should be τὸ καὶ ξυνδεδραμηκὸς γένει τῷ TOV ὄντων γενναιοτάτῳ
eft as
ἈΝ 3 ΄ὕ
και Apa EUXEPEOTATO.
5. ἕτερον av] Those who
have found in these words a
new division, and would intro-
duce here some fresh kind,—
as geese or other domestic fowls
(Ast, Stallbaum), which were
cut off, supr. 264 e, or apes
(Winkelmann), which as tame
animals are hardly ἀγελαῖα θρέμ-
para, unless M. Winkelmann
can find the prototype of Bea-
trice and her apes in classic
story,—were right in supposing
that a distinct step in the ar-
gument must be here indi-
cated. Man has been distin-
guished in terms of mathema-
tical progression from the only
remaining quadruped, the pig.
But it remains to be shewn of
which kind the king is herds-
man. It has been determined
what two kinds are still in
competition. But the result of
their competition remains to
be decided.
τῶν πρὸς γέλωτα εὐδοκιμησάν-
“Which might have
become celebrated as a joke.”
“ ΄- 5 Ν
καὶ ξύνδρομα πεπορευμένος τῷ τῶν ἀνδρῶν αὖ πρὸς
Ν A
TOV εὐχερῆ βίον ἄριστα γεγυμνασμένῳ ;
NE. 3Q. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
— a “ [3 / rae 7
mE. Nov yap, © Σώκρατες, ἐκεῖνο ἐστι κατα-
\ an ὡς « \ Lh Se oS) “ \ Ν \
haves μᾶλλον To pyOev Tor ἐν TH περὶ TOY σοφιστὴν
ᾧγτήσει.
called for. There is no real
difficulty in the codrdination of
γενναιοτάτῳ with εὐχερεστάτῳ,
and the echo in γένει γενν. is
clearly intentional, as in 7) γένει
γενναία coduorixn. The two are
thrown together by lot; they
run a race together : which is
left behind ? Clearly the slower
animal, the pig. But the race
between men and pigs involved
a still more ridiculous race be-
tween two sorts of men, the
king and the swineherd. Thus
his majesty is found contending
for sovereignty with one of his
flock (a phenomenon which will
be repeated presently, cf. 267 e),
and with one who has been most
perfectly trained to lead a life
of careless ease: Ulysses with
that ὄρχαμος ἀνδρῶν Eumeeus.
6. μετὰ τῆς ἀγέλης] 1. 6. τῶν
ἀγελαίων τινίἔ. Cf. Hipp. Maj.
288 d: οὐ κομψὸς ἀλλὰ συρφε-
tos. Infr. 268 a: οὐ μόνον ἀγε-
λαίων ἀνθρώπων ἀλλὰ καὶ τῶν
ἀρχόντων αὐτῶν.
That man should be the con-
gener of the pig is in keeping
with the humour of Theet.
161 Cc: ὅτι πάντων χρημάτων μέ-
τρον ἐστιν ὗς κιτιλ. And the
race between the king and the
swineherd recals another touch
of satire in the same dialogue,
(174 4): βασιλέα ἐγκωμιαζόμενον
—oiov συβώτην.
7. αὖ] 1.6. As the pig was
εὐχερέστατον τῶν θηρίων.
mp. τ. €. β. γεγυμ. 1S an οὐνγ-
moron. For γεγυμνασμένῳ πρὸς,
cf. Lege. 1,626 Ὁ : καλῶς γε ὦ
ξένε, φαίνει μοι γεγυμνάσθαι πρὸς
τὸ διειδέναι τὰ Κρητῶν νόμιμα.
Compare with the preceding
classification the fourfold divi-
sion of living creatures accord-
ing to the four elements in Tim.
40 a: pia μὲν οὐρανίων θεῶν
γένος, ἄλλη δὲ πτηνὸν καὶ depo-
πόρον, τρίτη δὲ ἐνυδρὸν εἶδος,
πεζὸν δὲ καὶ χερσαῖον τέταρτον.
το. Νῦν γάρ] A collateral in-
ference is sometimes stated as
a cause, e.g. Gorg. 454 d: Aj-
λον yap αὖ ὅτι ov ταὐτόν ἐστιν.
Badham would read ye ἄρα in
all such cases.
11. ev τῇ --- ζητήσει] Soph.
x FE
competitor
in the race.
Man wins
the run-
ning-match,
of course.
But this
strange
race be-
tween men
and pigs
is acconl-
panied by
one more
absurd, be-
tween the
10 king and
the swine-
herd, who,
of all his
subjects is
934 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
most com- NE. SQ. To ποῖον ;
pletely 3 ΩΣ = 7 "ὔ
ΠΡ ΡΠ το EE. Ὅτι τῇ τοιᾷδε μεθόδῳ τῶν λόγων οὔτε
a& ΠῚΘ ὁ
/ a 3X / / /
careless σεμνοτέρου μᾶλλον ἐμελησεν ἢ μῆ; TOV TE σμικρο-
ease.
~ . Ia\ > Ν a ya \ >
Certainly, τερον οὐδὲν ἠτίμακε προ TOV μείζονος, ἀεὶ δὲ καθ
as was said
A ce Ν / 5 /
this morn- 5 αὑτὴν περαίνει τἀληθέστατον.
ing, Dialee-
tic prefers NE. yO: Ἔοικεν.
truth to
a ΄' εξ ty “ 3
dignity. EE. Οὐκοῦν pera τοῦτο, ἵνα μή pe φθῆς ἐρω-
τήσας τὴν βραχυτέραν ὁδὸν
" , 53 >, N Ν ἴον
ἥτις τότε ἦν ἐπὶ τὸν τοῦ
/ [χὰ > / / 37
βασιλέως ὅρον, αὐτός σοι πρότερον ἔλθω ;
10 ΝΕ, ΣΩ, Σῴφοδρα γε.
HE. Λέγω δὴ δεῖν τότε
πρὸς [τὸ] τετράπουν γένος
τἀνθρώπινον ἔτι μόνῳ τῷ
/ /, ΄ὔ n
Now for δίποδα ἀγέλην πάλιν τῷ
the shorter a ΄ , \
way. ι5 φυεῖ τέμνειν, τμηθείσης δὲ
εὐθὺς τὸ πεζὸν τῷ δίποδι
a ΄ \
διανεῖμαι, κατιδόντα OE
΄ XN \
πτηνῷ EvverAnxos THY
ψιλῷ Kal τῷ πτερο-
t l
5 lal Ν 2) 27 “
αὐτῆς Kal TOT ἤδη τῆς
ἀνθρωπονομικῆς δηλωθείσης τέχνης, φέροντα τὸν
227 Ὁ, where the spirit of scien-
tific method and that of satire
interpenetrate as they do here,
so that it can be hardly known
which of them is made the
vehicle of the other.
3. ἢ μή] Se. σεμνοτέρου.
11. τότε εὐθὺς τὸ πεζὸν] It is
impossible to explain this pas-
sage so as to acquit the Stran-
ger of inexactness. Hither he
has forgotten that the class of
winged creatures was cut off
(264 e), or he purposely begins
the shorter path from an earlier
point than where he gave no-
tice of the existence of the two
ways. Perhaps the words τότε
εὐθὺς may imply this (ef. supr.
263 6). In any case the word
πεζὸν is used in a different sense
from that in which it occurs
above, where it was opposed to
the same πτηνὰ which it here
includes. πεζόν is therefore =
ξηροβατικὸν, and opposed to
ἔνυδρον, “on land,” not’ on the
ground,” by an ambiguity like
that which belongs to the
same word when applied to
an armament. Cf. infr. 267 b:
πεζονομικόν. This ambiguity
probably gives rise to the in-
exact reference. Compare Rep.
1, 354: ἐμπεσόντος αὖ ὕστερον
Adyou—where the theory spo-
ken of, although discussed later,
had been introduced before the
other. Soph. 223 d, 224 Ὁ:
μεταβλητικήῆ. Such slight inac-
curacies perhaps do not arise
from mere neglect: they are
caused by Plato’s instinctive
avoidance of an over-exactness,
which would be unnatural in
conversation.
Ρ. 266)
Ne
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J
Ι
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, 266. πολιτικὸν καὶ βασιλικόν, οἷον ἡνίοχον εἰς αὐτὴν
267.
/ a A “ / « / «
ἐνστήσαντα, παραδοῦναι τὰς τῆς πόλεως ἡνίας, ὡς
> / Ν » al / 3) a > /
οἰκείας καὶ αὐτῷ ταύτης οὔσης τῆς ἐπιστήμης.
χω Ν / > 7 ΄
NE. ΣΏ. Καλῶς καὶ καθαπερεὶ χρέος ἀπέδωκας
\ ΄ \ > \ @ 7
μοι τὸν λόγον, προσθεὶς τὴν ἐκτροπὴν οἷον τόκον καὶ ς
» 7 » /
ἀναπληρώσας auTov.
EE. Φέρε δή, καὶ ξυνείρωμεν ἐπανελθόντες ἐπὶ
Ν
\ 5 Χ ’ὔ a “- ἫΝ ΄ ΄ » ,
τὴν ἀρχὴν μέχρι THs τελευτῆς Tov λογον τοῦ oOVO-
ματος τῆς τοῦ πολιτικοῦ τέχνης.
NE. 3Q. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
ZE. Τῇ ἧς τοίνυν ἐπιστήμης ἡμῖν ἢ
4H. ins γνωστικῆς τοίνυν emioTnuns ἡμῖν ἣν
De 3. \ ᾽ὔ 3 Les / \ » \
KAT apxas μερος ETLTAKTLKOVY” TOUTOU δὲ ἀπεικασθεν
I. οἷον----ἐνστήσαντα] For the
two participles, cf. Protag. 328
ὁ: ἐλθὼν εἰς ἱερόν, ὀμόσας, ὅσου
ἂν φῇ ἄξια εἶναι τὰ μαθήματα,
τοσοῦτον κατέθηκεν.
2. παραδοῦναι --- ἐπιστήμης]
“To give into his hands the
reins of the state, believing
that they are his, and that this
art belongs to him.” (ταύτης
SC. τῆς ἀνθρωπονομικῆς.)
5. προσθεὶς τὴν ἐκτροπήν] ΟἿ.
Lege.3, 685 a: νῦν οὖν δὴ τοσοῦ-
Tov πλεονεκτοῦμεν τῇ πλάνῃ τοῦ
λόγου.
οἷον τόκον] “ΒΥ way of in-
terest.” Cf. Rep.6, 507 ἃ: βου-
λοίμην ἄν, εἶπον, ἐμέ τε δύνασθαι
ἀποδοῦναι καὶ ὑμᾶς κομίσασθαι,
ἀλλὰ μὴ ὥσπερ νῦν τοὺς τόκους
μόνον. τοῦτον δὲ δὴ οὖν τὸν τόκον
τε καὶ ἔκγονον αὐτοῦ τοῦ ἀγαθοῦ
κομίσασθε. εὐλαβεῖσθε μέντοι, μή
πῃ ἐξαπατήσω ὑμᾶς, κίβδηλον ἀπο-
διδοὺς τὸν λόγον τοῦ τόκου. ava-
πληρώσας αὐτόν 80. τὸν λόγον.
“Having given the tale in
full.” Cf. Symp. 188 6: εἴ τι
ἐξέλιπον, ἀναπληρῶσαι. The
“shorter path” might have
seemed too bare if given
alone.
7. Φέρε δὴ καὶ Evveipoper]
“ Come, now let us proceed to
link together.” Cf. Soph. 224
d: ἴθι viv συναγάγωμεν αὐτό.
For the idiomatic καὶ, cf. Soph.
Aj. 803: εἴ τῳ καὶ λογίζεσθαι
σχολή.
8. τὸν λόγον τοῦ ὀνόματος |
“ The definition of the name.”
The words are emphatically
repeated in order to fami-
liarize the distinction between
λόγος and ὄνομα. Cf. Soph. 218
c: det δὲ det παντὸς πέρι τὸ
πρᾶγμα αὐτὸ μᾶλλον διὰ λόγων
ἢ τοὔνομα μόνον συνομολογή-
σασθαι χωρὶς λόγου.
12. ἀπεικασθὲν] “ Having been
illustrated by an analogy :” viz.
that of the αὐτοπώλεις. Supr.
260 6: ἢ βούλει, καθάπερ εἰκά-
Copev νῦν δή, καὶ τοὔνομα παρεικά-
Cf. Soph. 221 b: ἀπ’
αὐτῆς τῆς πράξεως ἀφομοιωθὲν
τοὔνομα.
σωμεν.
ΕΣ 2
Land-ani-
malsshould
have been
first divided
into biped
and quad-
ruped :
then bipeds
into fledged
and naked.
And, when
man had
been thus
distin-
guished as
the bipes
implume,
the States-
man, as the
man-herd,
should have
been en-
trusted
with the
reins of
govern-
ment.
The argu-
ment, hav-
ing been
amplified
by this
addition,
is recapi-
tulated.
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τὸ μοριον αὐὑτεπιτακτικὸν ἐρρηθη.
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ζωοτροφικὴ δὲ
7 > “ » Ν / “ “
παλιν αὐτεπιτακτιΚὴς οὐ TO σμικρότατον τῶν γενῶν
> - 5 ͵
ἀπεσχίζετο᾽ καὶ ζωοτροφικῆς εἶδος ἀγελαιοτροφικόν,
> tal > 3 ς / al Ν
ἀγελαιοτροφικοῦ δ᾽ αὖ πεζονομικόν. τοῦ δὲ πεζονο-
fol , > / a / /
5MLKOU μάλιστα ἀπετέμνετο τέχνη τῆς ἀκεράτου φυ-
΄, ΄ > 3 x / > 35
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yy va) “ / “" 3 /
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Week 5 / /
TIKYY™ ἐπιστήμην προσαγορεύων.
ἈΝ > ’ ἈΝ /
TO δ᾽ ἀπὸ τούτου
πο “ sea / Ol: ὃ 7 » θ Ἀ ΕΣ
τμὴμα, ἐπὶ ποιμνῃ ὀίποὸι μερος ἀνθρωπονομικον ETL
\ / a 3 5 3, “
λειφθὲν μόνον, τοῦτ᾽ αὐτό ἐστιν ἤδη τὸ ζητηθέν, ἅμα
\ BIN \ N ,
βασιλικὸν Tavto κληθεν καὶ πολιτικον.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
EE. ἾΑρά γ᾽, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀληθῶς ἡμῖν τοῦτο,
4. ἀγελαιοτροφικοῦ δ᾽ αὖ
πεζονομικόν] Vid. supr. 264 6.
The gregarious were first di-
vided into land and water ani-
mals, and then land animals
into fledged and unfledged, to
which latter the word πεζὸν
was applied. These two steps
are here remembered as one
only: the second of the two
distinctions being dropped, and
the word πεζὸν being under-
stood to mean “on land.” This
confirms what has been said
above in the note on p.
266 d.
6. οὐκ ἕλαττον τριπλοῦν] This
is the reading of ten MSS.,
including the best, and is re-
presented in the version of
Ficinus, who probably joimed
TO μέρος οὐκ ἔλαττον (ὄν) (“ par-
tem nequaquam minorem.” Cf.
supr. ov τὸ σμικρότατον τῶν γε-
νῶν), which, however, is in-
consistent with the context,
and hardly grammatical. It
seems most probable that we
have here an unusual construc-
tion, of which another instance
occurs in Legg. 12, 956 e:
ὑφὴν δὲ μὴ πλέον ἔργον γυναικὸς
μιᾶς ἔμμηνον, where there is no
difference of reading. Cf. supr.
265 c. -Three MSS, 22%,
have τριπλοῦ, which Stallbaum
adopts.
8. For γενέσεως, οἵ. supr.
261 d, infr. 271 a.
MSS. μικτοῦ νομευτικῆς. The
correction is due to Boeckh
and Heindorf.
10. ἐπὶ ποίμνῃ δίποδι] This
is the point where the two
ways meet. “ The art of man-
herding being the only portion
left which has to do with
bipeds.”
II. ἅμα---πολιτικόν] Accord-
ing to what was said at first :
259 6.
ΠΟΛΙΡΙΚΟΣ.
Le
γμενον ;
NE. >Q. To ποῖον δή ;
or
oO (
| 7 \ an 7 “ > \ \
267. καθαπερ συ νυν εἰρηκᾶας, Οὐτῶς EOTL καὶ πέτρα-
Ν , « a a ‘
SE. To παντάπασιν ἱκανῶς εἰρῆσθαι τὸ mpo-
But it is
not really
at an end.
/ Ἂ a \ / ε /
τεθέν. ἢ τοῦτ᾽ αὐτὸ Kal μάλιστα ἡ ζήτησις ἐλλείπει, 5
Ν \ / > va) / > \ 7
To Tov λόγον εἰρῆσθαι μέν πως, οὐ μὴν παντάπασί
5 /
ye τελεως ἀπειργάσθαι ;
NE. >Q. [Ids εἶπες ;
μ- 5 \ cr ΄, na?) Da n
BE. Eyo νῷν πειράσομαι τοῦτ᾽ αὐτο, ὃ διανοοῦ -
a 7 a A
μαι νῦν ἔτι μᾶλλον δηλῶσαι.
NE. ΣΏ. Λέγοις av.
EE. Οὐκοῦν τῶν νομευτικῶν ἡμῖν πολλῶν φανει-
a 1) a / 3 « Ν cal
σῶν ἄρτι τεχνῶν μία τις ἣν ἡ πολιτικὴ καὶ μιᾶς
δ > / 5 /
τινος ἀγέλης επιμέλεια ;
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Nai.
ΞΕ). Ταύτην δέ ye διώριζεν ὁ λόγος οὐχ ἵππων
75) 3, ΄
εἶναι τροφὸν οὐδ᾽ ἄλλων θηρίων, ἀλλ᾽ ἀνθρώπων
Ν
κοινοτροφικὴν ἐπιστήμην.
NE. 2Q. Οὕτως.
I. καθάπερ σὺ νῦν εἴρηκας} Se.
παντάπασι. Cf. Soph. 218 a.
“ Have we really (καὶ) done as
you say ?”
4. τὸ προτεθὲν) Cf. Soph. 218
e: τί δῆτα προταξαίμεθ᾽ ἄν.
5. ἢ τοῦτ᾽ αὐτὸ---ἀπειργάσθαι]
“Or is it in this very respect
that our inquiry is especially
defective, that the definition
has in a way been given, but
still has not entirely received
final completion?” Cf. infr.
277 Ὁ : ἀτεχνῶς ὁ λόγος ἡμῖν
ὥσπερ ζῶον---τὴν----ἐνάργειαν οὐκ
ἀπειληφέναι πω.
9. νῷν] Dialectic makes
the subject of inquiry clearer
to both the minds which are
engaged.
πειράσομαι τοῦτ᾽ αὐτὸ “1
will endeavour to do this very
thing, to make my meaning
at this moment clearer for us
both.” 1.6. I will endeavour to
give my present thought, what
I desiderate for the main argu-
ment, a complete expression.
7: οὐδ᾽ ἄλλων θηρίων] He
falls back into the common
parlance for want of a col-
lective word to express “ ani-
mals other than man.” There
is less danger in this, now
that the requisite distinctions
have been made.
10
For, when
the king is
designated
as the Man-
herd, it
must not
be forgot-
ten that he
is unlike
other
herdsmen
in this, that
he is not
alone in
feeding or
in tending
his flock,
but has
many com-
petitors,
such as the
merchant,
husband-
man, baker,
gymnast,
physician.
38
—
τῶν βασιλέων θεασώμεθα.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
EE. Εἴ τις τῶν ἄλλων τῳ, τέχνης ἄλλης ὄνομα
yy ‘al “ aes, 4“. a Ν Ν
δέχων, Kown τῆς ἀγέλης ξύντροφος εἰναι φησὶ καὶ
προσποιεῖται.
NE. ΣΩ. Πῶς φής;
πη ἢ Οἱ ε ᾿, Ν Ν Ν Ν
μ-... (ον οἱ ἐμπόοροι Και γεώργοι Και σιτουργοι
’ὔ ἣν Ἂς 7 Ν a
πάντες, καὶ πρὸς τούτοις γυμνασταὶ καὶ TO TOV
oy a 7 a ΕῚ “ ΄σ Ν \ [} /
ιοἰατρῶν γένος, oia@ oT τοῖς περὶ τὰ ἀνθρώπινα
a By ‘ > / /
νομεῦσιν, ovs πολιτικοὺς ἐκαλέσαμεν, παντάπασι
a λό ὃ 7 5 ΕΝ - , « ΄σ 26
τῷ λόγῳ OlapuaxowT ἂν οὗτοι συμπαντες, WS σφεῖς Ρ. 268
I. Τὸ δὴ τῶν νυμέων] It has
been assumed that the king is
a herdsman of men, but it is
now found necessary to distin-
guish the king from the herds-
man. In this curious form the
imperfect conditions of human
government are indicated.
πάντων] 1.6. All beside the
king.
4. Et tis τῶν ἄλλων τῳ] This
reading, which has been pre-
served in three or four MSS,
(τῷ B, τῷ AFH, τῷ corr. I),
and would have been extremely
probable if due only to conjec-
ture, has been unaccountably
overlooked. τὸ ἄλλης τέχνης
ὄνομα, if not ἃ solecism, is
very harsh Greek, while τὸ τῆς
ἄλλης τ. (SY), repeating the
article, has no meaning. Stall-
baum translates: “ Num quis
reliquorum alius artis nomen
gerens communiter gregis so-
cium sese esse et dicat et si-
mulat,” and adds, that the
meaning of this ought to be
plain to all from what follows.
He probably means that the
king, unlike other artists (it
should be “‘ herdsmen”), is not
distinguishable im some re-
spects when thus defined from
individuals amongst his flock
(the physician, gymnast, etc.).
He runs a race with them, as
he did with the swine-herd.
But this is an extremely
vague way of putting what is
presently explained. Whereas
the above reading makes all
clear, “I mean, whether in
the case of any of the other
herdsmen there be any one,
bearing the name of a differ-
ent art, who professes and pre-
tends to share in common with
him the tending of the herd.”
5. ξύντροφος is to be taken
actively, as appears from τῆς
τροφῆς ἐπιμελοῦντας below, and
συννομῆς infr. 268 6. Cf. Legg.
8, 845 d: οὔτε yap γῆν οὔτε
ἥλιον οὔτε πνεύματα, τοῖς ὕδασι
σύντροφα τῶν ἐκ γῆς ἀναβλασταν-
OVT@Y.
rn ΄ , 3k
12. τῷ λόγῳ διαμάχοιντ᾽ ἂν]
e
i
\ \ σε , 4 ‘
EE. To δὴ τῶν νομέων πάντων διάφορον καὶ τὸ p. 267
io λυ, ἐν τυ εν... .
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
oY
268. τῆς τροφῆς ἐπιμελοῦνται τῆς ἀνθρωπίνης, οὐ μόνον
b
> / 3 / > \ \ a a > /
ἀγελαίων ἀνθρώπων ἀλλὰ καὶ τῆς τῶν ἀρχόντων
ty lal
αὑτῶν 5
NE. 2Q. Οὐκοῦν ὀρθῶς ἂν λέγοιεν ;
EE. Ἴσως. καὶ τοῦτο μὲν ἐπισκεψόμεθα,
"ὔ σ , , Ν
ἰσμεν, ὅτι βουκόλῳ γε οὐδεὶς ἀμφισβητήσει περὶ
/ , lad Χ «
τούτων οὐδενός, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτὸς τῆς ἀγέλης τροφὸς ὁ
’ SIN > , Cy ss - \ Ν
βουῴορβος, αὐτὸς ἰατρός, αὐτὸς οἷον νυμφευτης καὶ
Χ an ᾽ / /
περὶ TOUS τῶν γιγνομένων τόκους Kal λοχείας μόνος
» 7, “ lol
ἐπιστήμων τῆς [LALEVTLKNS.
γ᾽ / ~ Ν.
ἔτι τοίνυν παιδιᾶς καὶ
“ DUG ᾽ a A / , 7,
μουσικὴς εφ σον αὐτοῦ τὰ θρέμματα φύσει perel-
ληφεν, οὐκ ἄλλος κρείττων παραμυθεῖσθαι καὶ κηλῶν
fy 7 3 , φ' Qn na / \
TPQAVVELV, META TE οργανων και ψιλῷ τῷ στόματι Τὴν
“ cal 32) ΄ 7
τῆς αὑτοῦ ποίμνης ἄριστα μεταχειριζόμενος μουσικήν.
Ν ἊΝ Ν a 2) / , € TN /
καὶ δὴ καὶ τῶν ἄλλων πέρι νομέων ὃ αὕτος τρόπος.
7 γάρ:
“Would contend in argument.”
Cf. Theet. 160 e and note; and
see λέγοιεν infra.
(12.) οὗτοι σύμπαντες] Pleo-
nastic resumption.
2. ἀγελαίων] Cf. supr. 260 ¢.
6. βουκόλῳ] So also Bodl.,
omitting τῷ. For aités—airis,
ef. Rep. 2, 383 d.
9. τῶν γιγνομένων] “ The off-
spring from time to time.”
Cf. Thezet. 160 6: μὴ λάθη ἡμᾶς
οὐκ ἄξιον ὃν τροφῆς τὸ γιγνόμενον.
10. ἔτι τοίνυν] “ Nay, even
beyond the sphere of the arts
which were mentioned as com-
peting with the king.”
παιδιᾶς καὶ povoixns| Music
and the arts generally are iro-
nically spoken of as a kind of
child’s-play. Cf. Soph. 224 a,
234 a,b. The genitives are
suggested by ἐπιστήμων, but as
the sentence proceeds are un-
derstood to be governed by
μετείληφε.
11. αὐτοῦ τὰ θρέμματα] “ The
objects of his care.” θρέμματα
has the common meaning of
“creatures” with an etymo-
logical association from the
verbal meaning, as the cattle
are viewed in relation to the
herdsman.
13. μετά τε ὀργάνων καὶ ψιλῷ
τῷ στόματι) The meaning οἵ
ψιλὸς depends on that to which
it is opposed or correlative. In
Legg. 2, 669 d, instrumental
music without the voice is
spoken of as WAH καθαρίσει τε
καὶ αὐλήσει, and is strongly ob-
jected to: while λόγοι ψιλοί in
the same passage are words
without metre, or prose.
15. τῶν ἄλλων πέρι νομέων]
τόδε δὲ 5 Notso the
ox-herd,
who is suf-
ficient in
all things
for his
cattle, to
supply
their wants,
to heal
ΤΟ their sick-
nesses, to
attend
them in the
hour of
marriage
and of
childbirth.
He pro-
vides also
15 for their
amusement
by rustic
melodies,
4.0 ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
sung or NE . ΣΩ. ᾿Ορθότατα.
wl istled, a 3 Clas ε lad
Pree t ΞΕ, Πῶς οὖν ἡμῖν ὁ λόγος ὀρθὸς φανεῖται καὶ
pered to ΓΗ͂Ν ε Ν a ΄, “ ah / Ν
the oaten ἀκέραιος 0 TTEPt TOU βασιλέως, οταν αὐτὸν νομεα και
flute.” And ‘ 5, Ὁ ’ , a , » ἢ
thus do all TPopov ἀγέλης ἀνθρωπίνης θῶμεν μόνον ἐκκρίνοντες
herdsmen
except the
5. μυρίων ἄλλων ἀμφισβητούντων ;
king of > A
men: who NE. 20. Οὐδαμώς.
eae EE. Οὐκοῦν ὀρθῶς ὀλίγον ἔμπροσθεν ἐφοβήθη -
be ade-
« / \ / / tf
quately de- μεν UTOTTTEVOQAVTES μὴ λέγοντες μεν τι τυγχάνοιμεν
fined until
we have
parted off τοῦδ g , > , Ψ Ἀ \ 7
Ἐδὼ ΠΩ δι ἀκριβείας TOV πολιτικον, EWS GV τοὺς περικέχυ
this crowd μέψρυς αὐτῷ καὶ τῆς συννομῆς αὐτῷ ἀντιποιουμένους
of rivals, t ω
and set περιελόντες καὶ χωρίσαντες ἀπ᾽ ἐκείνων καθαρὸν
him forth
alone and μόνον αὐτὸν ἀποφήνωμεν ;
clear. For ᾿
a / > \ > 7 “ΠΑ
σχῆμα βασιλικον, οὐ μην ἀπειργασμένοι γε εἰμὲν πῶ
Either περὶ is pleonastic (ut p. 452 ἃ, of the physician, the
seepe) or the genitive is to be gymnast, and the moneymaker
repeated with τρόπος. disputing the claim of the
3. ἀκέραιος] “ Perfect, with- rhetor to be the agent of the
out a flaw.” “ How is our greatest good for man. ὅτι σοι
definition not impaired by the αὐτίκ᾽ ἂν παρασταῖεν κιτιλ. Also
circumstance, —%” Cf. Rep. ib. 456. A still nearer parallel
I, 342 Ὁ: ἀβλαβὴς καὶ ἀκέραιός occurs in the sixth book of
ἐστιν ὀρθὴ οὖσα (ἡ τέχνη). the Republic, where the true
4. μόνον ἐκκρίνοντες] Cf. infr. philosophers are with difficulty
303 b: πασῶν yap ἐκείνην ye ἐκ- separated from the pretenders
κριτέον. to philosophy. Cf. esp. Rep.
7. ὀλίγον ἔμπροσθεν] 207 ο,. 6,488 c: αὐτοὺς δὲ ἀεὶ τῷ vav-
ἐφοβήθημεν ὑποπτεύσαντες] Cf. κλήρῳ περικεχύσθαι δεομένους
Soph. 264 b. «tA. And see Ar. Pol. IV.
9. σχῆμα βασιλικὸν----δ ἀκρι- 12: Ἔστι δὲ οὐδὲ τοῦτο διορίσαι
βείας τὸν πολιτικόν] “The form ῥάδιον, ποίας δεῖ καλεῖν ἀρχάς" ποὰλ-
we described was indeed royal, λῶν γὰρ ἐπιστατῶν ἡ πολιτικὴ κοι-
but did not accurately corre- νωνία δεῖται.
spond with that of the States- 11. τῆς συννομῆς αὐτῷ ἀντιποι-
man.” It appears presently ουμένους] αὐτῷ is partly the
that we have been imagining ethical dative, and partly go-
the Divine Shepherd of the verned by σὺν : “claiming to
people as he existed in the share with him the task of
golden age. tending the herd.”
10. περικεχυμένους] “ Crowd- 12. καθαρὸν---μόνον] “ Alone
ing in upon him.” Compare and clear.’ Cf. infr. 303 ἃ, 6,
the description in the Gorgias, 304 a.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
41]
NE. ΣΏ. ᾿Ορθότατα μὲν οὖν.
Leng) fa) / 53 ff See / >
HE. Τοῦτο τοίνυν, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἡμῖν ποιητέον, εἰ
ἡ μέλλ πὶ τῷ TEX υ ὃν λό
μὴ μέλλοιμεν ἐπὶ τῷ τέλει καταισχῦναι τὸν λογον.
NE. ΣΏ. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν οὐδαμῶς τοῦτό γε δραστέον.
EE. Πάλιν τοίνυν ἐξ ἄλλης ἀρχῆς δεῖ καθ᾽ ἑτέραν ς
«ε Ν - 7
ὁδὸν πορευθηναί τινα.
ΝΕ. >Q. Ποίαν δή:
ΞΕ, Σχεδὸν παιδιὰν ἐγκερασαμένους" συχνῷ γὰρ
μέρει δεῖ μεγάλου μύθου προσχρήσασθαι, καὶ τὸ
Ni / , > va / / ΣΌΣ My
λοιπὸν On, καθάπερ ἐν τοῖς πρόσθεν, μέρος ἀεὶ μέρους
» / $) Δ) yy > lal Ν /
ἀφαιρουμένους ἐπ᾿ ἄκρον ἀφικνεῖσθαι τὸ ζητούμενον.
᾽ a /
OUKOVY χρὴ:
NE. 2Q. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
2. εἰ μὴ μέλλοιμεν] “ Un-
less we were to—as we feared
we should if we neglected this.”
The optative may be defended
by supposing an attraction from
the preceding optatives: the
past tense being continued in
thought. But it is equally pos-
sible that this attraction (from
τυγχάνοιμεν) may have influ-
enced the scribes. Ast and
Stallb. conj. μέλλομεν.
5. ἐξ ἄλλης ἀρχῆς----καθ᾽ ἕτέ-
ραν ὁδόν] “ From a fresh start-
ing-point, and by another road,”
i.e. approaching the subject
from a different side. The
myth which follows, like the
digression in the Theztetus,
affords a rest after the thorny
path which has been trodden,
and also presents a deeper and
more religious aspect of the
question. Cf. Prot. 317 e: ἡ
αὐτή μοι ἀρχή ἐστιν---ἥπερ ἄρτι.
Arist. Eth: Nic. VII. 1, § 1:
ἄλλην ποιησαμένους ἀρχήν.
8. συχνῷ γὰρ μέρει δεῖ μεγάλου
μύθου προσχρ.] “ We must call
in aid a large portion of a great
cycle of mythology.” The fables
quoted are viewed as fragments
of a larger whole, some part of
which is narrated, and part of
what is narrated is applied to
the purpose of the dialogue.
Cf. Legg. 4,713 a: "Ap οὖν
μύθῳ σμικρά γ᾽ ἔτι προσχρηστέον,
εἰ μέλλομεν ἐμμελῶς πως δηλῶ-
σαι τὸ νῦν ἐρωτώμενον ;
το. μέρος---(ητούμενον͵] Com-
pare Bacon, Nov. Org. II. 16:
“Tum vero post rejectionem
et exclusivam debitis modis
factam, secundo loco, tanquam
in fundo, manebit—forma affir-
mativa, solida, et vera, et bene
terminata.”
11. em ἄκρον ἀφικνεῖσθαι τὸ ¢.]
“To arrive at the object of our
search, as it were to the sum-
mit of a steep ascent.” Cf.
Rep. 7,515 6: διὰ τραχείας τῆς
ἀναβάσεως καὶ ἀνάντους. Tue
mountain-path (ἀτραπός) is kept
with difficulty.
G
this pur-
pose we
must begin
atresh, and
travel by
a different
way: piec-
ing our dis-
cussion
with an an-
cient tale,
before we
resume our
series of
divisions,
and con-
tinue them
until we
reach the
desired
summit,
Think
yourself,
then, a
child again
(youare not
long past
childhood),
and listen
to my tale.
In the time
of Atreus
there hap-
pened a
strange
portent,
which shall
happen
again,
4.2 MAATQNOZ
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ δὴ τῷ μύθῳ μου πάνυ πρόσεχε Tov p. 268 a)
a / ε ΄ ΄ » ον» /
νοῦν, καθάπερ οἱ παῖδες" πάντως ov πολλα εκφεύγεις
\ yA
παιδιὰς ἐτη.
NE. 20.
Λέγοις av.
4
τῶν πολλα
53 3, Va ΄ ’ /
s SE. Ἦν τοίνυν καὶ ἔτι ἔσται τῶν πάλαι λεχθέν--
γ7. \ Ν \ ‘
τε ἄλλα καὶ On καὶ TO περὶ τὴν
a x Vc
"Atpews τε Kal Θυέστου λεχθεῖσαν ἔριν φάσμα.
/ 7 / +f /
ἀκήκοας yap που Kal ἀπομημονεύεις ὃ φασι γενέ-
σθαι τότε.
1. ᾿Αλλὰ δὴ τῷ μύθῳ----καθάπερ
οἱ παῖδε] Cf. Soph. 224 d:
μῦθον---παισὶν ὡς οὖσιν ἡμῖν. So
the myth in the Pheedrus is said
παιδιᾷ πεπαῖσθαι. Pheedr. 265 d.
2. πάντως---ἔτη)]ἡ ‘‘ You are
not many years escaped from
play.” Cf. supr. ἃ, παιδιάν. Ste-
phanus (anticipated by a few
MSS.) raised a doubt about
the accent, and read παιδίας :
in defence of which, ef. Legg.
9, 864 d: ἢ radia χρώμενος,
οὐδέ πω τῶν τοιούτων διαφέρων.
He has been followed by some
editors, who translate παιδίας
ἔτη “years of childhood.”
Stallbaum justly replies that
“years of child’s-play” would
only be a more graceful way
of saying the same thing.
But he errs with the rest in
joining παιδιᾶς with ἔτη, al-
though he sees that with this
rendering πολὺ is required
instead of πολλά. The present
is only one of numberless in-
stances of hyperbaton which
occur in these dialogues. Cf.
Soph. 235 a: ὅτι τῶν τῆς παιδιᾶς
μετεχόντων ἐστί τις μερῶν. The
genitive in the MS. reading,
παιδιᾶς, 15, however, ambiguous,
and I have ventured to intro-
duce the plural παιδιὰς, which
exactly suits the context, and
occurs several times in the
Laws. Cf. Ar. Pol. VIII. 2:
Ata τοῦτο δεῖ παιδιὰς εἰσάγεσθαι
καιροφυλακοῦντας τὴν χρῆσιν, ὡς
προσάγοντας φαρμακείας χάριν"
ἄνεσις γὰρ ἡ τοιαύτη κίνησις τῆς
ψυχῆς, καὶ διὰ τὴν ἡδονὴν ἀνά-
παυσις. The word (in common
with many others) has no ac-
cent in the Bodleian MS.
. Ἦν τοίνυν καὶ ἔτι ἔσται
Cf. Thucyd. 1.22 : τῶν γενομένων
---καὶ----μελλόντων ποτὲ αὖθις ἔσ-
εσθαι. “ There really happened,
and shall hereafter happen
again, like many other things
of which ancient tradition has
preserved the record, the por-
tent which appeared in con-
nexion with the legendary
strife of Atreus with Thyestes.”
The word ἦν, like “once upon
a time,” marks the beginning
of a tale. (Phedr. 237 a.) Cf.
Tim. p. 22 ¢: πολλαὶ καὶ κατὰ
πολλὰ φθοραὶ γεγόνασιν καὶ ἔτι
εσονται.
7. φάσμα] “A sudden, un-
expected sight.” Soph. Trach.
508: τετραόρου φάσμα ταύρου.
Cf. Theet. 155 a: τί mor ἐστὶ
ταῦτα Ta φάσματα ἐν ἡμῖν.
LC ΄ ΄΄΄ρ.σπΠ1..........ο-..--΄ ................΄ ».ὄὕ........΄΄΄ὖὃὖΘ-... ............... a
, 268.
IIOAITIKOS.
43
NE, 2Q. To περὶ τῆς χρυσῆς ἀρνὸς ἴσως on-
μεῖον paces.
I. σημεῖον ἢ The form of
the story to which Plato al-
ludes appears to be the same
which is given in one of the
scholia on Eurip. Or. 988 :
“ Hermes revenged the death
of Myrtilus, his son, upon the
Pelopidee, by causing a golden-
fleeced lamb to be born amongst
the flocks of Atreus. When
his claim to the succession was
disputed, Atreus promised to
display the prodigy in proof
that the gods favoured his
right. Thyestes persuaded
Aerope, the wife of Atreus, to
give him the lamb: whence
Atreus was in danger of losing
the kingdom, had not Zeus,
who upheld his claim, made
the sun and the Pleiads to
return from their setting to-
wards their rising.” It is clear
from this in what sense the
lamb is called a “sign” or
“token” (σημεῖον): and how
the greater portent was given
by the god “in bearing witness
to Atreus” (μαρτυρήσας ὁ θεὸς
Ἀτρεῖ). The notion that “the
sun in horror turned his face
from the scene” (also men-
tioned in the Scholia to Eurip-
ides, and frequently alluded to
in the tragedies of Seneca :
see also Hygin. Fab. 88, 258),
although the most commonly
received, appears to be one of
several rationalizing interpre-
tations of the fable. The lines
of Euripides should be quoted
here :—
ὅθεν δόμοισι τοῖς ἐμοῖς
MAO’ ἀρὰ πολύστονος
Μαιάδος τόκου,
τὸ χρυσόμαλλον ἀρνὸς ὅποτ᾽
ἐγένετο τέρας ὀλοὸν ὀλοὸν
λόχευμα ποιμνίοισιν
*Arpéos ἱπποβότα᾽
ὅθεν ἔρις τό τε πτερωτὸν
ἁλίου μετέβαλεν ἅρμα
τὰν πρὸς ἑσπέραν κέλευθον
οὐρανοῦ μεθαρμόσασα
μονόπωλον ἐς ἀῶ,
ἑπταπόρου τε δρόμημα Πλειάδος
εἰς ὁδὸν ἄλλαν Ζεὺς μεταβάλλει.
See also ejusd. El. 734, where
the truth of the same legend
is questioned. The “ golden
lamb” seems to have been
known, with variations, to the
author of the cyclic poem
Alemeeonis and to Pherecydes
(Schol. in Eur. loc. cit.), but
it is difficult not to connect
the other portent, as well as
the revolution imagined by
Plato, with the tale told to
Herodotus by the Egyptian
priests, “that in the course
of the 11,340 years during
which Egypt had been a
monarchy, there had been
no god in human shape ; but
the sun had reversed his
course four times, and that
without any convulsions of na-
ture in the land of Egypt.
To which they added, that
before the 11,340 years gods
had ruled in Egypt, one of
whom had been at each time
supreme : of whom Orus, the
son of Osiris, was the last.”
Hdt. ΤΙ. ce. 142, 144. There
is no ground, however, for sup-
posing, as Boeckh (Philol. p.
118) at one time imagined, that
the Egyptians had anticipated
(through the study of their
own monuments) the scientific
theory of the precession of
2 (LD
T do not
mean the
token of
the golden
lamb, but
the return
of the sun
and stars
from their
setting to-
wards their
rising,
whereby
Zeus bore
witness to
the right of
the king.
You have
heard also
of the
“ Saturnia
regna :”
5
Io
ΕΠ
ZE. Οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλὰ τὸ περὶ τῆς μεταβολῆς δύ- p. 469}}
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
᾽ὔ Ν » lal « / A a » A
σεώς TE καὶ ἀνατολῆς ἡλίου καὶ τῶν ἄλλων GaOTPOV,
« Ἵ, “ \ > / “-“ > - ΄ ᾿,
ὡς apa ὅθεν μεν ἀνατέλλει νῦν, εἰς τοῦτον TOTE TOV
/ / 7 ™ ὟΝ / / A Ν
τόπον ἐδύετο, ἀνέτελλε δ᾽ ἐκ τοῦ ἐναντίου, τότε δὲ δὴ
/ yy c \ > - / > Ν “ιν γιὰ
μαρτυρῆσας ἄρα ὁ θεὸς Ατρεῖ μετέβαλεν αὑτὸ emt TO
νῦν σχῆμα.
ΝΕ. ΣΏ. Λέγεται γὰρ οὖν δὴ καὶ τοῦτο.
EE. Καὶ μὴν αὖ καὶ τήν γε βασιλείαν ἣν ἦρξε
Κρόνος πολλῶν ἀκηκόαμεν.
NE. ΣΩ. Πλείστων μὲν οὖν.
ΞῈ. Τί δὲ; τὸ τοὺς ἔμπροσθεν φύεσθαι γηγενεῖς
καὶ μὴ ἐξ ἀλλήλων γεννᾶσθαι ;
the equinoxes. The reason
advanced by Plato himself may
possibly have given rise to the
fancy in the first instance.
«ς All that is visible must suffer
change.” Compare Seneca, Ep.
71. § 11: “Quid enim muta-
tionis periculo exceptum ? Non
terra, non ccelum, non totus
hic rerum omnium contextus,
quamvis Deo agente ducatur.
Non semper tenebit hune or-
dinem, sed illum ex hoc cursu
aliquis dies dejiciet.”
(2.) φράζει] “ Your words
import, perchance, the token
which depended on the golden
lamb.”
2. τῶν ἄλλων ἄστρων] The
Pleiades are mentioned in the
story.
3. ὡς ἄρα---τὸ νῦν σχῆμα)
Plato here improves upon the
original legend, in which the
sun only changed his course
for a single day.
5. αὐτὸ] The rising and set-
ting of the sun and stars con-
sidered as one phenomenon.
8. Καὶ μὴν αὖ As in the
Theetetus three different
theories, so here three distinct
fables are woven together.
ἣν ἦρξε Kpovos] Familiar
to the Greek mind from the
poem of Hesiod, perhaps also
from the Orphic hymns, and
celebrated in the festival of the
Kpoua. The linesfrom the‘ W orks
and Days’ seem to have been
present to Plato’s mind, r11-
122: of μὲν ἐπὶ Κρόνου ἦσαν, ὅτ᾽
οὐρανῷ ἐμβασίλευεν" [ ὡς δὲ θεοὶ
ζώεσκον, ἀκηδέα θυμὸν ἔχοντες, |
νόσφιν ἄτερ τε πόνων καὶ οἰζύος"
οὐδέ τι δειλὸν | γῆρας ἐπῆν, αἰεὶ δὲ
πόδας καὶ χεῖρας ὁμοῖοι | τέρποντ᾽
ἐν θαλίῃσι, κακῶν ἔκτοσθεν ἁπάν-
tov’ | θνῆσκον δ᾽ ὡς ὕπνῳ δεδμη-
μένοι: ἐσθλὰ δὲ πάντα | τοῖσιν ἔην"
κάρπον δ᾽ ἔφερε ζείδωρος ἄρουρα |
αὐτομάτη πολλόν τε καὶ ἄφθονον"
οἱ δ᾽ ἐθελημοὶ ἥσυχοι ἔργα νέ-
μοντο σὺν ἐσθλοῖσιν πολέεσσιν" |
αὐτὰρ ἐπειδὴ τοῦτο γένος κατὰ
γαῖα κάλυψεν, τοὶ μὲν δαίμονές
εἰσι Διὸς μεγάλου διὰ βουλὰς, |
ἐσθλοὶ ἐπιχθόνιοι, φύλακες θνη-
τῶν ἀνθρώπων.
ΤΙ, τοὺς ἔμπροσθεν φύεσθαι γη-
|
NE eee
269.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
NE. ΣΩ. Καὶ τοῦτο ἕν τῶν πάλαι λεχθέντων.
ΞῈ an / » \ , > > ΄σ
ΜΞ Εἰ. Ταῦτα τοίνυν ἐστι μεν ξύμπαντα εκ TAUTOU
i Χ / “ / \ / yy
πάθους, καὶ σρρὸος TOUVTOLS ETEPA μυριὰ και TOUTWV ETL
6 / ὃ Ν δὲ / AnO \ Ν » ω
αυμαστοτερα, OLA δὲ χρόνου πληθος τὰ μεν αὐτῶν
> id \ \ / 5) Ν “
ἀπέσβηκε, τὰ δὲ διεσπαρμένα εἴρηται χωρὶς ἕκαστα ξ
> / ἃ a / 7 Ἀ Ψ
ἀπ᾿ ἀλλήλων. ὃ δ᾽ ἐστὶ πᾶσι τούτοις αἴτιον τὸ παά-
5] a \ Ν ᾽ Χ “
θος, οὐδεὶς εἴρηκε, νῦν δὲ δὴ λεκτέον" εἰς γὰρ τὴν τοῦ
βασιλέως ἀπόδειξιν πρέψει ῥηθέν.
NE. ΣΏ. Καλλιστ᾽ εἶπες, καὶ λέγε μηδὲν ἐλλεί-
σῶν.
μα > 7 »y XN \ a / \ \ SiN
mE. “Akovois av. τὸ yap πᾶν TOOE TOTE μὲν AUTOS
ε \ πὸ 1 ςς a ΚΣ
ὁ θεὸς ξυμποδηγεῖ πορευόμενον καὶ συγκυκλεῖ, τοτὲ ὃ
yeveis| “ That the earlier race of
men had their generation from
Earth.” Plato is fond of this no-
tion, which, as usual, he colours
variously with his own imagina-
tion. Cf.Symp.190b, r91¢; Rep.
3,414 ; Soph. 248 c; Prot.320¢;
Tim. 23 e; Critias toge. The
fable spoke simply of earth-born
men. Plato finds in this a hint
for his “ Phoenician” tale of an
earlier and more perfect mode
of generation. He seems to
blend together Hesiod’s children
of the earth and the army of
Cadmus. See also Ar. Pol. 1.5:
τοὺς πρώτους, εἴτε γηγενεῖς ἦσαν,
εἴτε ἐκ φθορᾶς τινὸς ἐσώθησαν.
2. ἐκ ταὐτοῦ πάθους] “ These
all arise out of one and the same
occurrence” (viz. the reversal
of the motion of the Cosmos).
4. διὰ δὲ χρόνου πλῆθος] Com-
pare the way in which proba-
bility is given to the myth of
Atlantis in Tim. 21 d: διὰ δὲ
χρόνον καὶ φθορὰν τῶν ἐργασαμέ-
νων οὐ διήρκεσε δεῦρο ὁ λόγος.
5. διεσπαρμένα! As in the
case of the three or four fables
to which allusion is made.
6. τὸ πάθος] The article is
used because of ταὐτοῦ πάθους
preceding.
8. πρέψει ῥηθέν] “The tell-
ing will be finely suited to our
object of displaying the nature
of the king.”
11. τὸ --- πᾶν τόδε] “ This
universe.” As in Tim. 29 6:
γένεσιν kal τὸ πᾶν τόδε.
αὐτὸς ὁ θεό] The mono-
theism of this passage. 15 more
express than that of the Ti-
meus. (Cf. infr. 271 ἃ.) Or
the article may be accounted
for by supposing the Timzeus
already written.
12. ξυμποδηγεῖι | The word
ποδηγῶ (to guide) occurs only
here and in Legg. το, 899 a
(of the spirit which determines
the motion of the sun). ξυμ-
ποδηγεῖ πορευόμενον καὶ συγκυκλεῖ
= “assists with his guidance as
it moves and helps to roll the
circling sphere.” The universe
has an independent principle
of motion, which, however,
during the better cycle, is di-
10
and, once
more, how
there were
giants in
old days,
the off-
spring of
the Earth.
These scat-
tered frag-
ments of
tradition
arise from
one and
the same
circum-
stance.
The uni-
verse is at
one time
turned by
God, but
at certain
periods is
relinquish-
ed by him,
and turns
itself in the
opposite
direction.
For none
but the
most Divine
things are
without
change.
But the
universe,
being vi-
sible, is of
a lower
40 ΠΛΑΤΏΩΏΝΟΣ
39 A “ ΄ ,ὔ ΄- / > “ f
ἀνῆκεν, ὅταν αἱ περίοδοι τοῦ προσήκοντος αὐτῷ μέ- P- 264),
J / A / Ν \ ΄ > /
τρον εἰληήφωσιν ἤδη χρόνου, TO δὲ πάλιν αὐτόματον
᾽ > / ΄ σι » Ν ΄ ᾿
εἰς TAVAVTLA περιαγεται, ζῶον ὃν καὶ φρονησιν εἰλη-
Ν > 4 ΄ ite. 9. Δ x lal \
χοὸς εκ του συναρμοσᾶντος AUTO KAT αρχᾶς. TOUTO δὲ
/
γέγονεν.
» “ Ν » , ἊἋ SOF, ὃ \ iO ’ , ΄ JA
5 AUTO, TO QGVATTAALVY LEVAL, OLA TO ἐξ αναγκὴς ἐμφυτον
NE. ΣΏΩ. Διὰ τὸ ποῖον δή:
—_ \ \ SIN \ ε , y 3. νᾶ .
ΞΕ. To κατὰ ταῦτα καὶ ὡσαύτως ἐχειν ἀεὶ καὶ
θυ Ἂν 5 ἴω ΄ 7 / ΄
TQUTOV εἰναι TOLS TTAVTWV θειοτάτοις TPOONKEL μονοῖς,
Lk \ / > / “ 7 A A >
ιοσώματος δὲ φύσις ov ταύτης τῆς τάξεως. ὃν δὲ οὐ-
ἈΝ Ν / ’ ΄ ΄σ \
pavov Kal κόσμον ἐπωνομάκαμεν, πολλῶν μὲν καὶ
U Ν a / / XN
μακαρίων παρὰ τοῦ γεννήσαντος μετείληφεν, ἀτὰρ
3 On 7 / Ν ΄ 06 DS
ουν ἡ KEKOLYMV7)KE γε και σωμάτος. OUVEV αὐτῷ με
rected and impelled by God.
Cf. the interpretation of Hera-
clitus by Ain. Gaz. (quoted by
Lassalle, I. 124) : ᾿Επεὶ κάματος
αὐτῇ (τῇ ψυχῇ) τῷ δημιουργῷ
συνέπεσθαι καὶ ἄνω μετὰ τοῦ θεοῦ
τόδε τὸ πᾶν συμπεριπολεῖν καὶ ὑπ᾽
ἐκείνου τετάχθαι καὶ ἄρχεσθαι, διὰ
τοῦτο τῇ τοῦ ἠρεμεῖν ἐπιθυμίᾳ καὶ
ἀρχῆς ἐλπίδι κάτω φησὶ τὴν Ψυχὴν
φέρεσθαι.
1. ἀνῆκεν] The poetical aor-
ist, used because a point of
time is spoken of. Cf. Theeet.
150 C: μαιεύεσθαι pe ὁ θεὸς
ἀναγκάζει, γεννᾷν δὲ ἀπεκώλυσεν.
ὅταν ---- χρόνου] “ When the
number of revolutions which
make up the time appointed
for the world have now reached
their consummation.” Note
the hyperbaton of χρόνου, and
compare the “number of the
state” in Rep. 8, 546, esp. the
words ὅταν περιτροπαὶ ἑκάστοις
κύκλων περιφορὰς ξυνάπτωσι.
2. τὸ de] Se. τὸ πᾶν τόδε.
3. ζῶον ὃν) This is added
to explain αὐτόματον. Compare
Tim. 30 b: νοῦν μὲν ἐν ψυχῆ,
ψυχὴν δὲ ἐν σώματι ξυνιστὰς τὸ
πᾶν ξυνετεκταίνετο — οὕτως οὖν
δὴ --- δεῖ λέγειν τόνδε τὸν κόσμον
ζῶον ἔμψυχον ἔννουν τε τῇ ἀλη-
θείᾳ διὰ τὴν τοῦ θεοῦ γενέσθαι
πρόνοιαν.
καὶ φρόνησιν | Cf. Soph.248 6:
μηδὲ ὧῆν αὐτὸ μηδὲ φρονεῖν ;
10. οὐ---τάξεως] “Is of ἃ dif-
ferent order.” Cf. Phileb. 49 ec:
ἡ δὲ ἀσθενὴς (ἄγνοια) ἡμῖν τὴν τῶν
γελοίων ἡμῖν εἴληχε τάξιν τε καὶ
φύσιν.
οὐρανὸν καὶ κόσμον] Cf. Pheedr.
2456: πάντα τε οὐρανὸν πᾶσάν
τε γένεσιν.
12. παρὰ τοῦ γεννήσαντος) Cf.
Tim. 37 6: 6 γεννήσας πατήρ.
ἀτὰρ οὖν---σώματος)])͵ In the
Timeus also the body is the
source of all imperfection, 86 b:
τὰ δὲ περὶ ψυχὴν (νυσήματα) διὰ
σώματος ἕξιν τοιάδε.
13. καὶ σώματος] Cf. Tim.
32 €: σωματοειδὲς δὲ δὴ---δεῖ τὸ
γενόμενον εἶναι.
|
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 47
> , \ \ , ‘ =
69. ταβολῆς ἀμοίρῳ γίγνεσθαι διὰ παντὸς ἀδύνατον, κατὰ grade. Yet
py ; act = Ε priest (ae β , « it has the
δυναμίν γε μὴν 0 τι μάλιστα ἐν τῷ αὐτῷ κατὰ ταὐτὰ least possi
e change
, \ m \ ‘ , y “ 5
μίαν φορὰν κινεῖται" διὸ τὴν ἀνακύκλησιν εἴληχεν, ὃ of motion,
, a A , , when t 1e€
τι σμικροτάτην τῆς Ταὑτοῦ κινήσεως παράλλαξιν. direction
Ὁ ΟΝ VRE \ , ann \ 3 4 . of Its rota-
αὐτὸ δὲ ἑαυτὸ στρέφειν ἀεὶ σχεδὸν οὐδενὶ δυνατὸν 5 tion is το-
\ a = , 5 , ε , versed.
πλὴν TO TOV κινούμενων αὖ πάντων ἡγουμένῳ. Kl- Nowitcan-
ye τῷ ! ΐ
I. κατὰ δύναμίν γε μὴν---κινεῖ-
ται] Compare Laws 7, 821 ¢, d,
where it is said to be impious
to attribute an inconstant mo-
tion to the sun, moon, and
planets. So in the Timzus
(p. 37) Time is created in
order to bring the creature
as near as possible to the Eter-
nal archetype.
3. διὸ ---- παράλλαξιν͵] Only
the most Divine things can
be always alike. The Uni-
verse, having a body, must
suffer change. It moves as
nearly as possible always in the
same way (but cannot attain
perfectly even to this): “ Where-
fore it hath allotted to it a
reverse revolution, as the least
possible alteration of its mo-
tion.” The reasoning would be
more complete if for αὑτοῦ we
might read ταὐτοῦ. Cf. Tim. 36
d, 39b,¢. ἀνακύκλησιν = τὸ ἀνάπα-
λιν ἰέναι supr. This meaning is
required by the context here
and in Rep. το, 617 b, ἐπανακυ-
κλούμενον : Tim. 40 ὁ, ἐπανακυ-
κλήσεις : Lb. 37 a, ἀνακυκλουμένη,
in all which places a retrograde
motion isin question. The force
of the preposition seems to have
been lost in the use of the word
by later writers. A homely il-
lustration of Plato’s meaning
may be taken from the game
of cup and ball: in which, in
order to ensure a steady mo-
tion, the ball is spun from
right to left, and the player
waits until it has begun to re-
volye in the opposite direc-
tion. The resilience of the
string, which is the cause of
this, would correspond to the
blind impulse (ξύμφυτος ἐπι-
θυμία) which makes the uni-
verse rebound.
6. τῶν κινουμένων αὖ πάντων
ἡγουμένῳ] The language of
Plato respecting the relation
of the individual to the uni-
versal soul is not consistent.
In the Timeeus the former is
a “particle” taken from the
latter. In the Republic and
Phedrus, and less clearly in
the Pheedo, the individual per-
sonality of each soul is re-
cognized. Yet in the passage
of the Pheedrus there are some
expressions in which the na-
ture of the soul is generalized.
Cf. also Legg. 10, 894 6: τῶν
δὴ δέκα μάλιστα ἡμῖν κινήσεων
τίν ἂν προκρίναιμεν ὀρθότατα
πασῶν ἐρρωμενεστάτην τε εἶναι
καὶ πρακτικὴν διαφερόντως ; Μυ-
ρίῳ ἀνάγκη που διαφέρειν τὴν
αὐτὴν αὑτὴν δυναμένην κινεῖν. Ib.
12, 966e: ὃ περὶ τὴν ψυχὴν
ἐλέγομεν, ὡς πρεσβύτατον τε καὶ
θείοτατόν ἐστι πάντων ὧν κίνησις
γένεσιν παραλαβοῦσα ἀέναον οὐ-
σίαν ἐπόρισεν.
αὖ implies a contrast be-
tween the divinest of all things
not move
itself al-
ways: for
that is the
privilege
of mind.
Nor can
mind ori-
ginate
opposite
move-
ments.
Hence the
universe is
not always
48
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νεῖν δὲ τούτῳ τοτὲ μὲν ἄλλως, αὖθις δὲ ἐναντίως οὐ Ρ. 2
ITAATQNOZ
/ > / \ / ‘\ U 4 92%
θέμις. ἐκ πάντων δὴ τούτων τὸν KOT LOY μήτε αὐτὸν
\ , 7 ε Ν Des, Nes 9 ὦ 9 ey Et Ν
χρὴ φάναι στρέφειν ἑαυτὸν ἀεί, μήτ᾽ αὖ ὅλον ἀεὶ ὑπο
a / \ , /
θεοῦ στρέφεσθαι διττὰς καὶ ἐναντίας περιαγωγάς, μήτ᾽
> , \ \ ~ ε nee) , /
sav Ovo τινὲ θεὼ φρονοῦντε ἑαυτοῖς ἐναντία στρέφειν
> / > ᾽ “ ᾽7 > / Ν / / \
auTov, ἀλλ, ὅπερ ἄρτι ἐρρήθη καὶ μόνον λοιπὸν, TOTE
μὲν ὑπ᾽ ἄλλης συμποδηγεῖσθαι θείας αἰτίας, τὸ ζῇν
΄ 5 , Ν ΄ > / >
πάλιν ἐπικτώμενον καὶ λαμβάνοντα ἀθανασίαν ἐπι-
and the leader of all that is
in motion. As the former
alone can remain always the
same, so the latter alone can
revolve spontaneously for ever.
The phraseology _ recals
Pheedr. 245 6, where there is
a similar appearance of demon-
stration. See esp. the words
ἀλλὰ καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις ὅσα κινεῖται
τοῦτο πηγὴ καὶ ἀρχὴ κινήσεως.
A comparison of the above
passages leaves little doubt that
by the Leader of Motion
here is meant Pure Soul in
general, of which the Deity,
who sustains the universe, is
a particular example. ‘The
doctrine of the multiplicity
of independent souls (Rep. το,
611 a) is here left out of view.
The argument may be thus
stated. All that is bodily
must suffer change. The Uni-
verse suffers the least possible
change (or “ diverges least from
the motion of the same”) in
revolving on an axis in one
plane opposite ways alter-
nately. But the Universe can-
not always be the cause of its
own motion: only Pure Soul
moves spontaneously for ever.
Nor can Soul be the cause of
diverse and opposite motions.
Hence the mighty fabric is not
self-moved always, nor always
moved by God: nor by two
Gods alternately, for, as before
stated, spirit cannot be op-
posed to spirit. There re-
mains only the case which has
been given.
7. τὸ ζῆν πάλιν ἐπικτώμενον
“ Receiving a new influx of
life.”
8. λαμβάνοντα ἀθανασίαν ἐπι-
σκευαστὴν | The world re-
news her immortality, which
she receives afresh from her
Creator’s hand. ἐπισκευαστὴν
= repaired, refitted. The
word is omitted in Ast’s Lexi-
con (edition of 1835). Cf.
Legg. 5, 738 Ὁ: ot? ἂν καινὴν
ἐξ ἀρχῆς τις ποιῇ οὔτ᾽ ἂν παλαιὰν
διεφθαρμένην ἐπισκευάζηται (πό-
λιν). The World grown old,
like Milton’s hermit-soul, now
«« Prunes her feathers and lets go
her wings,”
which, in following her own
blind will,
«Were all-to ruffled and some-
times impaired.”
ἀθανασίαν) Not merely ex-
emption from death, but good-
ness, the one immortal thing.
Cf. Legg. 4, 713 €: dco ev
ἡμῖν ἀθανασίας ἔνεστι, τούτῳ πει-
θομένους.
> AE ‘ »"
ἀθανασίαν ---- παρὰ τοῦ δημι-
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 49
| A \ a : -~ < Bs
270. σκευαστὴν παρὰ TOV δημιουργοῦ, τοτε 0, νεθῇ,
> e Ν Ci ON 7 \ Ν > / ΄ δ
Ot ἑαυτὸν αὐτὸν ἰέναι, κατὰ καιρὸν ἀφεθέντα τοιοῦτον -
“ δὰ κι , \ /
ὥστε ἀνάπαλιν πορεύεσθαι πολλὰς περιόδων μυρι-
id \ Ν 7 Ἃ Ν > / SELLS
adas διὰ TO μέγιστον ὃν καὶ ἰσορροπώτατον ἐπὶ
7 lad δ "
σμικροτάτου βαῖνον ποδὸς ἰέναι.
ουργοῦ] Here, as in Tim. 41 a,
the universe is entirely de-
pendent upon the Creator for
immortality. The word δημι-
ουργός in Plato is equivalent to
6 ξυνιστὰς, ὁ Evvappdoas, ὁ γεν-
νήσας, and has only the faintest
trace of the mystic solemnity
with which it was afterwards
invested.
2. dv ἑαυτὸν! Eusebius has
ἑαυτοῦ, and the reading of the
Bodleian (with Δ ΠῚ), δι éavrov
eavtov (sic Bod].), perhaps indi-
cates some confusion. But δι᾽
ἑαυτὸν, signifying that the world
at such a time is the ultimate
cause of his own motion, is not
certainly wrong. Cf. Legg. ro,
903 6: μεταβάλλει---δι᾿ ἑαυτὴν ἢ
δι ἑτέραν ψυχήν.
κατὰ καιρὸν ἀφεθέντα τοιοῦ-
τον] “Being let go at sucha
favourable moment.” It is
true that supposing the mo-
tion equable, every moment
would be, mechanically speak-
ing, alike. But then other
causes, besides those merely
mechanical, are imagined. The
σύμφυτος ἐπιθυμία is not a me-
chanical cause. Compare the
“opposite powers” of motion
attributed in the Timzeus (38 d)
to the circle of Mercury and
Venus and that of the Sun.
Two conditions, then, contri-
bute to make possible the
length of the succeeding period
—the state of the innate im-
pulse at the time at which the
“engine is reversed,” and the
shape and position of the
whole mass. The redundant
form of the sentence in which
both these conditions are ex-
pressed is characteristic of the
later manner of Plato. Stall-
baum has not chosen to ex-
plain his objection to this way
of taking the words.
3. πολλὰς περιόδων μυριάδας]
“ Many times ten thousand re-
volutions,” 1. 6. days, since the
diurnal revolution is the one
most naturally attributed to
the whole Heaven. Cf. Theset.
153 C: ἕως μὲν ἂν ἡ περίφορὰ
ἢ κινουμένη καὶ 6 ἥλιος. ‘Tim.
39 c: νὺξ μὲν οὖν ἡμέρα τε γέ-
γονεν---ἡἧ τῆς μιᾶς καὶ φρονιμω-
τάτης κυκλήσεως περίοδος.
4. ἰσορροπώτατον] Because it
is the most perfect sphere.
ἐπὶ σμικροτάτου βαῖνον πο-
dds] Moving on the smallest
pivot—in fact, a mathemati-
cal point—in modern lan-
guage, the celestial south pole.
Like the Indian tortoise, the
Universe has no surface on
which to rest. The image of
the top, used for another pur-
pose in Rep. 4, 436 d (ὅταν ἐν
τῷ αὐτῷ πήξαντες τὸ κέντρον
περιφέρωνται), has probably sug-
gested this expression. The Uni-
verse is like a great humming-
top when “sleeping.” Cf.
Legg. 10, 893 d: καὶ τότε μὲν
ἔστιν ὅτε βάσιν ἑνὸς κεκτημένα
τινὸς κέντρου.
*H
self-moved:
nor moved
opposite
ways,
either by
one Deity
or more
than one,
5 for mind
cannot be
opposed to
mind, But,
which
alone re-
mains, it is
at one time
guided by
its Divine
Author,
and re-
ceives from
him a re-
newal of
life and im-
mortality.
And again,
* being let
go at the
most au-
spicious
moment,
it makes
countless
revolutions
50 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Φαίνεταί γ᾽ οὖν δὴ καὶ μάλα εἰκότως p. 276
εἰρῆσθαι πάνθ᾽ ὅσα διελήλυθας.
ΞῈ. Λογισάμενοι δὴ ξυννοήσωμεν τὸ πάθος ἐκ
σι A ΄ ἃ / ” 3 “
τῶν νῦν λεχθέντων, ὃ πάντων ἔφαμεν εἶναι τῶν θαυ-
NE. =Q. Τὸ ποῖον ;
an 5») yA \ 5 \ ~ ? > /
5 μαστῶν αἴτιον. ἐστι yap οὖν δὴ TOUT αὐτο.
\ “ \ \ \ > A an
EE. To τὴν τοῦ παντὸς φορὰν τοτὲ μὲν ἐφ ἃ νῦν
“ \ /
κυκλεῖται φέρεσθαι, τοτὲ δ᾽ ἐπὶ τἀναντία.
NE. ΣΏ. Πῶς δή;
EE. Ταύτην τὴν μεταβολὴν ἡγεῖσθαι δεῖ τῶν περὶ
Ν » Ν 7 A a 3
TOV OUPQVOV γιγνομένων τρόπων TIAGO WV εἰναι με-
/ / “2
γίστην καὶ τελεωτάτην τροπὴν.
NE. ΣΩ. Ἔοικε γοῦν.
I. μάλα εἰκότως] The Stranger
has indeed spoken with an ap-
pearance of artless simplicity
well*calculated to impose on
the imagination of youth.
3. ΔΛογισάμενοι δὴ] “ Let us,
reasoning on what has now
been said, try to comprehend,
in all its bearings, the fact
which we described as the
cause of all the phenomena
that have excited our wonder.”
7. φορὰν --- φέρεσθαι) CF.
Theet. 153 d: ἡ περιφορὰ 7
κινουμένη. Lege. 10, 906 b: αἱ
--- ᾳφῆμαί φασιν.
9. Πῶς 67;] Badh. “ Hee
omnia adeo lucida explicata
sunt, ut mireris cur Socrates
etiamnum heereat, et per illa
πῶς δὴ Yrespondeat. Neque
vero Hospes dubitantem do-
cere dignatur, sed ulterius
pergit.” One point, however,
was not made clear, namely,
how the change of the direc-
tion of revolution was the
cause of the other two tradi-
tions : and it is this which the
Stranger (though beginning ἄν-
wbéy ποθεν ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς) proceeds
to explain.
10. τῶν περὶ τὸν οὐρανὸν γιγνο-
μένων τροπῶν] The τροπὴ ἡλίου,
or solstice, is the change in
the apparent motion of the
sun’s place on the horizon at
rising and setting. Hom. Od.
0, 404 ; Plat. Lege. 12, 945 d.
The word τροπὴ is here gene-
ralized and extended so as to
include every cardinal change
in the celestial motions: in
the same lofty spirit in which
the Great Year (τέλεος ἐνιαυτὸς)
is spoken of in the Timeeus,
or as we speak of the year of
Saturn or Uranus. The word
seems to be used in the same
general sense in Tim. 39 d:
τῶν ἄστρων ὅσα bt οὐρανοῦ πο-
ρευόμενα ἔσχε τροπάς. Compare
also Ar. de Ceelo II. 14, § 1,
who says that if the Earth has
a double motion there must be
τροπαὶ also of the fixed stars.
b
y’
*|
| 270,
IIOAITIKOS.
51
HE. Μεγίστας τοίνυν καὶ μεταβολὰς χρὴ νομίζειν
/ / o vad a a
γίγνεσθαι τότε τοῖς ἐντὸς ἡμῖν οἰκοῦσιν αὐτοῦ.
Ξ ͵
NE. 2Q. Καὶ τοῦτ᾽ εἰκός.
HE. Μεταβολὰς δὲ μεγάλας καὶ πολλὰς καὶ παν-
/ / my) 7 \ val /
Tolas συμφερομένας ap οὐκ ἴσμεν THY τῶν ζώων
/ “ a ’ /
φύσιν ὅτι χαλεπῶς ἀνέχεται 5
NE. ΣΩ. Πώς δ᾽ ov;
fn U / /
HE. Φθοραὶ τοίνυν ἐξ ἀνάγκης τότε μέγισται
, a 5, \ Ν a
ξυμβαίνουσι τῶν τε ἄλλων ζώων, καὶ δὴ Kal TO TOV
> ,ὕ ΄ὔ a ἢ ΄, \ \ ,
ἀνθρώπων γένος ὀλίγον τι περιλείπεται. περὶ δὲ τού-
Ε / \ \
τους ἄλλα τε παθήματα πολλὰ Kai θαυμαστὰ καὶ
\ / ΄ \ / ἈΝ ἐξ
καινὰ ξυμπίπτει, μέγιστον δὲ τόδε καὶ ξυνεπόμενον
lal a Ν ᾽ 7 7 “ e a 2.
TH τοῦ παντὸς ἀνειλίζει, τότε ὅταν ἡ τῆς νῦν καθε-
/ / Ie
στηκυίας ἐναντία γίγνηται τροπή.
NE. ΣΩ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
2. τοῖς ἐντὸς ἡμῖν οἰκοῦσιν
avrov| ‘This is one of the in-
versions or alternations of
words with which these dia-
logues abound.
5. συμφερομένας] “ Coming
on together,’ as in_ hostile
array. Cf. Theet.152e: συμ-
φερέσθων. Ib. 153 a: τοσοῦτον
στρατόπεδον. “When sorrows
come, they come not single
spies, but in battalions.”
9. τῶν τε ἄλλων --- περιλεί-
metal] The sentence returns
to the indicative mood al-
though redundant, because the
last clause contains the prin-
cipal statement. Cf. Thuc.
VI. 32: ἐλέχθησαν τοιοίδε λόγοι
ἀπό τε ἄλλων ---καὶ “Ἑρμοκράτης
ὁ Ἕρμωνος- ἔλεγε τοιάδε.
ΤΟ. τούτους] Sc. τοὺς τῶν ἀν-
θρώπων περιλειπομένους. γένος
om. pr. I.
11. ἀλλά τε παθήματα---μέγι-
στον δὲ τόδε] Cf. Tim. 20 a:
Τίμαιός τε---- Κριτίαν 5¢—, alib.
12. ξυμπίπτει] “ Coincide.”
The meaning of év is promi-
nent, as in ξυμφερομένους.
Evverdpevov| Following the
analogy of the world’s un-
twisting. Consentaneous with
the rebound and reverse mo-
tion of the Great Whole.
13. ὅταν ἡ τῆς νῦν--- τροπή]
τῆς νῦν καθεστηκυίας, 50. τροπῆς,
which, like the plural τροπαῖς
below, 271 6, signifies not only
the “turn,” but the cycle of
movement which follows. The
double meaning of the English
word “revolution” nearly cor-
responds to this ambiguity of
τροπή. ‘* When there occurs
the transition to the cycle
opposite to that in which we
live.”
En Ὁ
I
ο
by itself,
like a huge
and per-
fectly-ba-
lanced top,
revolving
on the
finest peg.
This
change is,
as it were,
the solstice
of the great
year. And
this crown-
ing change
involves
many lesser
changes,
destructive
to the
animal
economy.
Hence
many crea-
tures per-
ish, and of
mankind
also but
few are
left. And
on these
few there
passes a
mighty
change.
As the
movement
of the
world, so
52 ITAATQNO2
A ε , δ, 3 5 /
EE. “Hv ἡλικίαν ἕκαστον εἶχε τῶν ζώων, αὕτη p. 270}:
A \ ” ΄ / “ὦ 3
πρῶτον μεν €0T?) πάντων, καὶ ἐπαύσατο σαν OOOV nV
Ν Ἀ > ΄ / /
θνητὸν ἐπὶ TO γεραίτερον ἰδεῖν πορευόμενον, μεταβαλ-
\ ΄ / - 4 Ν .
λον δὲ πάλιν ἐπὶ τοὐναντίον οἷον νεώτερον καὶ ἅπα-
/ / “-“ \ / ΄
δλώτερον ἐφύετο. καὶ τῶν μὲν πρεσβυτέρων αἱ λευκαὶ
7 ἴω > 3 / ΄ Ν
τρίχες ἐμελαίνοντο, τῶν δ᾽ αὖ γενειώντων αἱ παρειαὶ
τ. ἡλικίαν ͵]Ὶ͵ ““ Condition, or
appearance, in respect of youth
or age.” Cf. Euthyd. 271 b:
μάλα πολὺ — ἐπιδεδωκέναι μοι
ἔδοξε kal—ov πολύ τι τὴν ἡλικίαν
διαφέρειν Κριτοβούλου. This use
of the word affords a point of
transition to the meaning of
‘Ssize or “stature.” Cf. Hdt.
AUB Ὁ; AVE Seite
2. ἐπαύσατο --- πορευόμενον |
* All that is mortal ceases at
such a time to advance towards
amore ancient look.” τὸ yepai-
τερον ἰδεῖν, “ that which is more
aged to look upon.” Cf. Pheedr.
253 d: λευκὸς ἰδεῖν. Tim. 52 ἃ:
παντοδαπὴν ---ἰδεῖν. Soph. Aid.
Col. 327: δυσμορ᾽ ὁρᾷν.
4. οἷον νεώτερον] “ Younger
to all appearance.”
Badham conj. ἰόν, which is
free from objection. But οἷον
νεώτερον exactly expresses
“younger in appearance,
though not in years,’ and
corresponds with γεραίτερον
ἰδεῖν supr. The instance of
οἷον with an adj., given by
Passow, ai οἷον συνεχεῖς κινή-
σεις, is from a late authority
(Schol. Ap. Rh. 3, 1018). But
the use is so closely analogous
to other uses as hardly to
need defence. Cf. infr. 277 ¢:
τὴν--οἷον τοῖς φαρμάκοις καὶ τῇ
συγκράσει τῶν χρωμάτων ἐνάρ-
γειαν.
5. ἐφύετο] He proceeds as
if he were narrating what hap-
pened on one of these oceasions
in former time—say at the be-
ginning of the cycle preceding
ours. Cf. εἶχε supr. ἃ.
6. yeverovrov| The form
γενειάω is less distinctly incep-
tive than γενειάσκω, which oc-
curs, Symp. 180 dee the
cheeks of bearded men grew
smooth, and restored each man
to his former bloom ; and the
youth’s ‘ crescent nature’ grow-
ing smooth, and dwindling day
by day and night by night,
returned, both in mind and
body, to the character and
likeness of infancy, and then
began to vanish away, and
presently was no more seen.”
This process, which in any
case seems to have been rapid,
only occupied a few days
where life had been sud-
denly and violently extin-
guished. These cases seem to
be thought different from
those of natural death: pro-
bably because, in the latter,
dissolution was imagined, as
it had been more gradual, to
be more complete; so that
earth could at once be mixed
with kindred earth. That
Plato is fully aware of the lu-
dicrous aspect of all this will be
obvious to any one who com-
pares the speech of Aristophanes
in the Sympos., 190-193. The
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
53
/ ΄ὔ \ a “ Ὁ
270. λεαινομεναι πάλιν ἐπὶ τὴν παρελθοῦσαν ὠραν ἐκα-
1771.
/ a \ « Pa \ /
στον καθίστασαν, τῶν δὲ ἡβώντων Ta σώματα λεαι-
“ Ν > « / Ν ,
νομενὰα και σμικροτεέρα καθ ἡμερᾶαν και VUKTQ €K-
7 , / ἈΝ a A Ν
στην γιγνόμενα πάλιν εἰς τὴν τοῦ νεογενοῦς παιδὸς
͵ > , ΄ \ \ ζ \ \ a
φύσιν ἀπῇει, κατά TE THY ψυχὴν καὶ κατὰ TO σῶμα 5
> / N > > a yA /
ἀφομοιούμενα᾽ τὸ δ᾽ ἐντεῦθεν On μαραινόμενα κο-
΄σ Ν ’ὔ lal iy
μιδῇ τὸ πάμπαν ἐξηφανίζετο. τῶν δ᾽ ad βιαίως
/ > ΄σ ΄ / Ἂν A ΄ ἴω
τελευτώντων ἐν τῷ τότε χρόνῳ τὸ τοῦ νεκροῦ σῶμα),
3 \ a 7 , \ 7, 57 >
ταῦτα ταῦτα πάσχον παθήματα διὰ τάχους, ἀδηλον ἐν
, / e /
ὀλίγαις ἡμέραις διεφθείρετο.
NE. 2Q. Γένεσις δὲ δὴ τίς ror’ ἦν, ὦ ξένε, Gov;
Ν / / Δ ἴω
καὶ τίνα τρόπον ἐξ ἀλλήλων ἐγεννῶντο ;
a 53 / “ N \ >
EE. Δῆλον, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὅτι TO μὲν ἐξ ἀλλήλων
> 3 3 fa , / /, Ν \ \
οὐκ ἣν ἐν TH τότε φύσει γεννώμενον, TO δὲ δὴ γηγε-
\ 5 , ΄ὔ ,ὕ 79 93 \ Mic
ves εἶναι ποτε γένος λεχθέν, TOUT ἣν TO κατ ἐκεῖνον
φθορὰ, which follows the great
τροπὴ, has now been described,
and we are next informed as
to the mode in which the
Earth replenishes herself. The
existing generation being thus
“compounded with dust,” the
Earth, which had previously
lain fallow, began to produce
her crop of heroes.
6. ἀφομοιούμενα] Badham
ingeniously conjectures ἀπο-
pecovmeva. But the ellipse is
easily borne.
ἡ. τῶν τελευτώντων ---τὸ τοῦ
νεκροῦ [σῶμα]}] For the redun-
dant genitive with the change
of number, cf. Phedo 62 a:
οὐδέ ποτε τυγχάνει τῷ ἀνθρώπῳ
--ἔστιν ὅτε καὶ οἷς, Where much
needless difficulty has arisen.
The notion of the backward
eurrent being communicated
to the process of animal life
illustrates the ancient concep-
tion of motion as including
change. σῶμα om. Bodl. ΔΗ.
13. TO—e£ ἀλλήλων ---γεννώ-
μενον] Sc. γένος, or perhaps,
as sometimes happens, the ac-
tion of the verb is made the
subject of the passive voice.
For this, cf. Soph. 221 a: τὸ
—dvacrewpevov. In that case
the concrete is put for the ab-
stract — τὸ γεννώμενον for τὸ
γεννᾶσθαι.
14. ἐν τῇ τότε φύσει] “ Had
no place in the course οὗ na-
ture which then obtained.”
For a similar use of φύσις, cf.
Pheedo 103 b: τὸ ἐν τῇ φύσει.
τὸ - γηγενὲς εἶναί ποτε γενος
λεχθὲν] “The earth-born race,
of whose former existence we
have heard.”
15. τοῦτ᾽ ἦν] “ Was this, was
that which we have just hinted
at and are now to describe.” 1.6.
τὸ ἐν τῇ τότε φύσει γεννώμενον.
the order
of the ages
of man, is
reversed.
And, at
the time
when the
world re-
turns under
the Divine
care, old
age is done
away, and
men pass
through
maturity
and youth
to child-
10 hood and
infancy,
and so pass
away.
And in
harmony
with the
same move-
ment, the
bodies of
15 those who
slept in
earth arise
again.
This was
the giant
brood, of
whose last
relics the
memory
has been
preserved
to us by
those who
grew up
at the
beginning
of this pre-
sent cycle.
54:
TOV χρόνον ἐκ γῆς πάλιν ἀναστρεφόμενον, ἀπεμνὴ- p. 271)
ITAATQNOZ
/ Ace vad ¢ / / σ΄“ /
μονεύετο δὲ ὑπὸ TOV ἡμετέρων προγόνων TOV πρώτων,
δ x / \ lal / ΄σ Ν tan
οἱ τελευτώσῃ μὲν τῇ προτέρᾳ περιφορᾷ Tov ἑξῆς
/ / “ \ \
χρόνον ἐγειτόνουν, τῆσδε δὲ κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς ἐφύοντο"
/ \ - / > / , € la cal
5TOUT@Y yap οὗτοι κήρυκες ἐγένονθ᾽ ἡμῖν τῶν λόγων,
A a « Ν lad > > “ > a Ν Ν
οἱ νῦν ὑπὸ πολλῶν οὐκ ορθῶς ἀπιστοῦνται. TO yap
᾽ “ 5 \ lal / 7 ΄
ἐντεῦθεν, οἶμαι, χρὴ Evvvoelv. ἐχόμενον yap ἐστι τῷ
Χ / 3. ΟΝ \ A XN "57 / >
Tous πρεσβύτας ἐπὶ τὴν τοῦ παιδὸς ἰέναι φύσιν, εκ
a , 5 ΄ Ns a ΄
τῶν τετελευτηκότων αὖ, κειμένων δὲ ἐν γῇ, πάλιν
I. ἐκ γῆς πάλιν ἀναστρεφόμε-
vov] The bodies which Earth
has absorbed she gives forth
again to be the habitations of
other souls. It appears cer-
tain from infr. 273 (however
strange the conception) that
the γηγενεῖς are born like the
army of Cadmus, in full matu-
rity, and then follow the stages
which are here described:
first attaining to early man-
hood, then to youthful prime,
and then to childhood, and so
disappearing from the Earth :
old age being literally un-
known, as in the description
of Hesiod.
3. mepipdpal _ Not “ period”
but “revolution” = the time
during which the Universe
revolved in the former way.
Cf. supr. a, τῇ τότε φύσει: infr.
274 6, Tov ἐκ τῆς νῦν περιφορᾶς
καὶ γενέσεως βασιλέα.
4. ἐγειτόνουν] “ Were neigh-
bours to” —i.e. next in point of
time. Our first ancestors lived
in the times immediately suc-
ceeding the end of the former
motion. ἔτι νεωστὶ τοῦ Διὸς τὴν
ἀρχὴν ἔχοντος, Gorg. 523 Ὁ.
5. τούτων γὰρ οὗτοι κήρυκε----
τῶν λόγων] Compare the care
which is taken, in Tim. 22, 23,
to account for the preservation
in Egypt of the legend of
Atlantis, and the disappear-
ance of the same in Greece.
6. ὑπὸ πολλῶν---ἀπιστοῦνται]
Cf. Pheedr. 229 6: σὺ τοῦτο πεί-
Get τὸ μυθολόγημα ἀληθὲς εἶναι ;
K.T.A,
τὸ yap — συννοεῖν] “ For
we must seek to comprehend,
methinks, that which follows
what has now been said.”
7. ἐχόμενον γάρ ἐστι τῷ] The
dative after ἐχόμενον is curious,
but ἐχόμενόν ἐστι is not quite
the same as ἔχεται : and the
change of τῷ into τοῦ (if a
change were required) would
be easier and also better than
Stallbaum’s conjecture of ἕπο-
μενον for ἐχόμενον. “ For it is
of a piece with (hangs together
with) the aged men’s returning
to the nature of infancy that
from the dead also,” &e.
8. ἐκ τῶν τετελευτηκότων ---
φυομένου] The irregularity of
the construction is caused by a
feeling that the dead persons
are not the same with those who
rise. This does not, however,
prevent the sentence from con-
tinuing as if τοὺς τετελευτ-
a
ΠΟΛΙΓΙΚΟΣ. 5D
3 “ 7 ᾽ 7 AY 4
a7i. ἐκεῖ ξυνισταμένους Kal avaBiockopEvovs,|* | τῇ τροπῃ
7 7 lal /
συνανακυκλουμένης εἰς τἀναντία τῆς γενέσεως, καὶ
a Ν \ ΄σ ἊΝ / » fe ᾽ /
γηγενεῖς On κατὰ τοῦτον τὸν λόγον ἐξ ἀνάγκης φυο-
/ oS γ΄ yf Ν Ν > / “ \
μένους, OVTWS EX ELV ΤτΤουνομὰ και TOV ογον, οσοὺς μὴ
Ν ᾽ an ᾽ 327) lal > /
Geos αὐτῶν εἰς ἀλλην μοῖραν ἐκόμισεν.
nxéras were the subject. Cf.
Theet. 182 b: ἀλλ᾽ ἐξ ἀμφο-
τέρων πρὸς ἄλληλα συγγιγνομένων
τὰς αἰσθήσεις καὶ τὰ αἰσθητὰ ἀπο-
τίκτοντα τὰ μὲν ποιὰ ἄττα γίγνε-
σθαι, τὰ δὲ aicGavdpeva—where
see note. So that the γηγενεῖς are
composed of the elements
which have been restored to
Earth from the life of the for-
mer cycle. The word γηγενεῖς
is a “tertiary predicate.”
“Being born by generation
from the Earth.”
I. ἀναβιωσκομένους]
ing to life again.” This, as
afterwards appears, is the
quickening of a soul which
has been “sown” into the
earth, infr. 272 8.
ἕπεσθαι, which is commonly
inserted before τῇ τροπῇ, is
omitted in Bodl. At. The word
is unnecessary, and is very likely
to have been added, from con-
jecture, by some one who
thought the apodosis too long
deferred.
2. cvvavaxukdouperns| Stall-
baum, following a hint of
Schleiermacher, writes cvvava-
κυκλουμένους, Which he finds in
one MS. (Zittav). But this only
increases the obscurity, for the
“ Com-
phrase εἰς τἀναντία τῆς γενέσεως ᾿
is hardly intelligible. Téveous
is here used in the widest and
most abstract sense for the
general process of Nature, the
current of which is reversed
with the motion of the Sphere
ge of mo-
old erow
(τῇ τροπῇ =the chan
tion), whence the g
young, and the buried rise
from earth again: diminution
taking the place of growth,
and generation of decay. See,
for a parallel notion in mo-
dern poetry, “The thoughts
of men are widened with the
process of the Suns ;” and cf.
infr. 273 6: τὴν ἐπὶ τὴν νῦν γένε-
σιν ὁδόν. 274 6: τῆς νῦν περι-
φορᾶς καὶ γενέσεως. Also Pheedv.
245 6: πάντα τε οὐρανὸν πᾶσαν
See also Tim. 82 c:
ὅταν ἀνάπαλιν ἡ γένεσις τούτων πο-
΄
τε γένεσιν.
ρεΐηται, τότε ταῦτα διαφθείρεται.
Badham, rejecting ἕπεσθαι,
conj. ἥκειν for ἐκεῖ. But cf. Prot.
320 d: τυποῦσιν αὐτὰ (sc. τὰ
θνητὰ γένη) θεοὶ γῆς ἔνδον ἐκ γῆς
καὶ πυρὸς μίξαντες κιτ.Ὰλ.
4. τοὔνομα καὶ τὸν λόγον] Se.
For ἔχειν,
> / 53 ΄σ
φὴς εἰναι δυνάμεως, πότερον ἐν ἐκείναις ἣν ταῖς τρο-
΄' Δ rn \ \ \ “ ΕΒ Ν
παῖς ἢ ἐν ταῖσδε; τὴν μὲν γὰρ τῶν ἄστρων τε καὶ
ταῖς τροπαῖς γίγνεσθαι.
βἡλίου μεταβολὴν δῆλον ὡς ἐν ἑκατέραις ξυμπίπτει
EE. Καλῶς τῷ λόγῳ ξυμπαρηκολούθηκας. 0 δ᾽
a 7 3 / / lal
ἤρου περὶ τοῦ TavTa αὐτόματα γίγνεσθαι τοῖς av-
/ a “ “ > A / la
θρώποις, ἥκιστα τῆς νῦν ἐστὶ καθεστηκυίας φορᾶς,
> 3: VS: Ν a “ yy ͵ \ Sars
ἀλλ nv καὶ τοῦτο τῆς ἐμπροσθεν. TOTE yap αὑτὴης
πρῶτον τῆς κυκλήσεως ἦρχεν ἐπιμελούμενος ὅλης ὃ
/ al \ / 3. A eX “
θεός,----[ὡς νῦν κατὰ τόπους ταὐτὸν τοῦτο, ὑπὸ θεῶν
2. ἀλλὰ δὴ τὸν βίον] The
fable of the γηγενεῖς has been
applied: the application of
the story of Atreus is evi-
dent: it only now remains to
find a place for the legend of
the golden age: when κάρπον
ἔφερε ζείδωρος ἀρουρὰ αὐτομάτη.
In that former cycle the spon-
taneous productiveness of the
Earth was as apparent in the
vegetable as in the animal
kingdom.
3. ταῖς τροπαῖς) The plural
marks the concrete form of
expression, as In μέσαι νύκτες.
10. αὐτῆς---κυκλήσεως) “ For
first the whole revolution was
itself guided by the Divine
care.” αὐτῆς gives emphasis to
κυκλήσεως as Opposed to τὰ ζῶα.
I. e. The universal movement
which involves all else.
11. ἐπιμελούμενος] It is per-
haps implied that he acts only
through the inferior deities.
12. tos νῦν --- διειλημμένα]
The general meaning of this ap-
pears from infr. 272 6 : οἱ κατὰ
τοὺς τόπους συνάρχοντες τῷ με-
γίστῳ δαίμονι θεοί. But the
exact construction is not ob-
vious. Stallbaum proposes to
read ὡς δὲ viv—mavr ἦν---διει-
λημμένα. The words as they
stand, however, will afford the
same sense without any tor-
ture, by supposing μέρη to be,
like τὸν κολοφῶνα in Theet.
153 6, or δύο μέρη infr. 283 ¢, a
cognate accusative in apposi-
tion, expressing the mode of
the action of ἦρχε. “ The
parts of the universe every
way being divided under the
rule of deities, just as is now
the case in certain parts.” (ὡς
νῦν κατὰ τόπους ταὐτὸν τοῦτο SC.
γίγνεται.) This last idea, though
hardly consistent with the gene-
ral spirit of the myth, receives
some illustration from Legg. 5,
74 6, where the superiority of
the inhabitants of particular re-
gions is attributed to a Divine
influence: ὡς ois θεία τις ἐπί-
πνοια καὶ δαιμόνων λήξεις εἶεν.
Compare Milton, Comus,18—29.
Pheedo 111 ο: καὶ δὴ θεῶν ἕδη
—ev οἷς τῷ ὄντι οἰκητὰς θεοὺς
d
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. oT
271. ἀρχόντων πάντῃ τὰ τοῦ κόσμου μέρη διειλημμένα.
Ν ‘ Ν \ “- Ν / Ν > / - a
καὶ On καὶ τὰ ζῶα κατὰ γένη καὶ ἀγέλας οἷον νομεῖς
σι 7 , > / > ’ o
θεῖοι διειλήφεσαν δαίμονες, αὐτάρκης εἰς πάντα ἕκα-
ΕἸ Ἃ - τ yf σ“ se αν
στος εκαστοις WY OLS AUTOS ἐεἐνέμεέν, WOTE OUT ay plov
53 5ῸΝ 3, / / “ / I,”
ἦν οὐδὲν οὔτε ἀλλήλων ἐδωδαί, πόλεμος TE οὐκ ἐνὴν 8
5ῸΝ , Ν ’΄ 57 ΒΝ “ /
οὐδὲ στάσις TO παράπαν᾽ ἄλλα θ᾽ ὅσα τῆς τοιαύτης
/ « / 7»
ἐστὶ κατακοσμήσεως ἑπόμενα, μυρί
δ By
av em λεγειν.
> 5 ΄σ ’ \ > /
τὸ δ᾽ οὖν τῶν ἀνθρώπων λεχθὲν αὐτομάτου πέρι βίου
Ν Ν , 5
διὰ τὸ τοιόνδε εἰρηται.
εἶναι. For διειλημμένα, οἵ. Ar.
Pol. VII. 6: βλέψας---πρὸς πᾶ-
σαν τὴν οἰκουμένην, ὡς διείληπται
τοῖς ἔθνεσιν. Cf. also Critias
109 b: Θεοὶ---ἅπασαν γῆν ποτε
κατὰ τοὺς τόπους διελάγχανον οὐ
κατὰ ἔριν. For ταὐτὸν τοῦτο, cf.
infr. 308 6: ταὐτὸν δή μοι τοῦθ᾽
ἡ βασιλικὴ φαίνεται κιτιλ. Lege
4, 713 6.. Le. as now there is
a presiding deity in the Sun,
the Earth, the Sea, and in sacred
groves, &c., so then no place
was devoid of the Divine Pre-
sence and control: πάντα da-
μόνων πληρῆ, as Thales said,
not θεῶν ἔρημα εἶναι πάντα (Plat.
Legg. 10, 908 6). It must be
admitted that the text is not
wholly free from suspicion. Cf.
infr. 272 6: οἱ κατὰ τοὺς τόπους,
and note. Qu. an. legend.
ὡσαύτως δ᾽ αὖ κατὰ τόπους κ-τ.λ. 2
αὐτως being dropped from ho-
moioteleuton, the remaining
letters, δ᾽ αὖ, might easily be
corrupted into νῦν. The go-
vernment of μέρη 1s in this case
less harsh: the clause ὑπὸ θεῶν
-Οδιείλημμένα being explanatory
of κατὰ τόπους ταὐτὸν τοῦτο (86.
ἔδρα, 1. 6. ἦρχεν ἐπιμελούμενος τοῦ
κόσμου).
2. καὶ ἀγέλας] As the subdi-
Ν yy 3 \ Sew
θεὸς ἐνεμεν αὐτοὺς αὑτὸς
visions of each tribe. The word
recals the previous discussion.
3. διειλήφεσαν | Answering
to διειλημμένα. As the parts
of the universe generally were
distributed to several gods, so
the lesser deities had the tribes
of animals distributed amongst
them. θεῖοι is to be joined with
δαίμονες.
adtapkys| Not self-sufficing,
“ but sufficient of himself ;” =
αὐτὸς ἀρκῶν. Cf. supr. 268 a.
5. οὔτε ἀλλήλων ἐδωδαί] This
thought is probably associated
with the Orphie abstinence
from animal food.
6. τῆς τοιαύτης] Se. θείας.
7. κατακοσμήσεω] The ge-
nitive is accounted for by
supposing the participle to be
added pleonastically. ‘“ What
belongs to this mode of ten-
dance and is consonant there-
to.” Cf. however Rep. 6, 504
b: τῶν----προειρημένων ἐπομένας
ἀποδείξεις.
8. τὸ δ᾽ οὖν] “And accord-
ingly (to return to the point)
the tradition that mankind in
particular had a spontaneous
subsistence is to be accounted
for in the following way.”
9. θεὸς ---- ἐπιστατῶν |
The
a!
Deities,
each of
whom was
all-suffi-
cient for
his own
flock in all
things.
Then was
nothing
wild: no
devouring
one an-
other: no
war or dis-
cord of any
kind. All
was order-
ed as you
might ex-
pect under
a Divine
sway.
Hence
amongst
mankind
there was
no code of
ordinances,
for the Di-
vine Will
was their
law: nor
possession
58
> ΄σ 4 an » lal Δ
ἐπιστατῶν, καθάπερ νῦν ἀνθρωποι, ζῶον ον
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
/ ϑ, / / « od /
θειότερον, ἄλλα γένη φαυλότερα αὑτῶν vopevovor.
’ ’ / rovut 4 > 3 Oe /
νέμοντος δὲ ἐκείνου πολιτεῖαί TE οὐκ ἦσαν οὐδὲ KTN-
a 7 ᾽ tad Ν » 7,
σεις γυναικῶν καὶ παίδων" ἐκ γῆς yap ἀνεβιώσκοντο
΄ 7O\ / a fd > Ν Ν \
5 TAVTES, οὐδὲν μεμνημένοι τῶν πρόσθεν. ἀλλὰ TA μεν
cal > 5 / \ λὼ 9 / 5 3 /
τοιαῦτα ἀπῆν πᾶντα, καρποὺς Oe ἀφθονους εἰχον amo
τε δένδρων καὶ πολλῆς ὕλης ἄλλης, οὐχ ὑπὸ γεωργίας
/ ᾽ > > / > / “ -
φυομένους, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτομάτης ἀναδιδούσης τῆς γῆς.
OX \ Ν 57 lal Ν Ν I,
γυμνοὶ δὲ καὶ ἀστρωτοι θυραυλοῦντες τὰ TOAAG ἐνέ-
same belief in a past theo-
cracy is expressed in the Laws,
with a similar allusion to the
Saturnia regna, and is used to
point the same lesson,—that a
paternal government, as man-
kind are now constituted, is a
visionary dream, and that the
rule of Law, devised by rea-
son, which is all which re-
mains to us of Divine guid-
ance, is the best available
substitute ; 4, 713 Οἱ οἷον νῦν
ἡμεῖς δρῶμεν τοῖς ποιμνίοισι καὶ
ὅσων ἥμεροΐ εἰσιν ἀγέλαι ov βοῦς
βοῶν οὐδὲ αἶγας αἰγῶν ἄρχοντας
ποιοῦμεν αὐτοῖσί τινας, ἀλλ᾽ ἡμεῖς
αὐτῶν δεσπόζομεν, ἄμεινον ἐκείνων
γένος. ταὐτὸν δὴ καὶ ὁ θεὸς ἄρα
καὶ φιλάνθρωπος ὧν τὸ γένος
ἄμεινον ἡμῶν ἐφίστη τὸ τῶν δαι-
μόνων, ὃ διὰ πολλῆς μὲν αὐτοῖς
ῥᾳστώνης πολλῆς δ᾽ ἣμιν ἐπιμε-
λούμενον ἡμῶν, εἰρήνην τε καὶ αἰδῶ
καὶ εὐνομίαν καὶ ἀφθονίαν δίκης
παρεχόμενον ἀστασίαστα καὶ ev-
δαίμονα τὰ τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀπειρ-
γάζετο γένη.
I. ἐπιστατῶν] Cf. Gorg. 523
C: οἱ ἐπιμελῆται.
3. πολιτεῖαι] Forms οὗ go-
vernment are rendered super-
fluous by the presence of a
Supreme Will.
τε] The apodosis is broken
off through the expansion of this
clause by an afterthought, and
is resumed in κάρπους δὲ infr.
Compare with this passage the
description in the Protagoras,
p. 321, of the state of man be-
fore the introduction of the
arts of life; and Glaucon’s ὑῶν
πόλις in the Republic, 2,372. The
absence of property and mar-
riage in the perfect state is again
mentioned in the well-known
passage of the Laws, 5, 739.
4. ἀνεβιώσκοντο] Rising from
the dust of former generations.
Cf. supr. 271 b.
5. οὐδὲν μεμνημένοι] Hay-
ing been steeped in the river
of forgetfulness, Rep. 10,621 e:
and therefore ignorant of all
previous relationships.
6. ἀπό te δένδρων͵; Cf. Hes.
Op. et D. 233 : ἰθυδίκαισι per’
ἀνδρασι τοῖσι φέρει μὲν γαῖα
πολὺν βίον, οὔρεσι δὲ δρῦς [ ἄκρη
μέν τε φέρει βαλάνους, μέσση δὲ
μελίσσας κιτιλ.; and Hom. Od.
T. 111: φέρῃσι τε γαῖα μέλαινα
πυροὺς καὶ κριθὰς, βρίθησι τε δέν-
δρεα καρπῷ, quoted elsewhere
by Plato, Rep. 2, 363.
9. ἐνέμοντο] “ Lived under
their shepherd’s care.”
ἕτερον Pp. 271...
Ρ. 272
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 59
‘\ \ ΄- « a val A >
272. μοντο TO γὰρ τῶν @Mpov αὐτοῖς ἄλυπον ἐκέκρατο,
‘ \ 3 \ S > / » aN /
μαλακας δὲ εὐνὰς εἶχον ἀναφυομένης ἐκ γῆς πόας
> / \ \ 9S / 5 \ \
b ἀφθόνου. τὸν δὴ βίον, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀκούεις μὲν TOV
lal \ / / A , SIN Ν 3
τῶν ἐπὶ Kpovov' τόνδε δ᾽, ὃν * λόγος ἐπὶ Διὸς εἶναι,
NX ς \ » ὌΝ 5} ω ’ > a x
TOV VUVL TAPOV QvuTos no Onoa. Κριναι ὃ αὐυτοιν TOV 5
» , Brass oN , / Aes ,
εὐδαιμονέστερον ap ἂν δύναιο τε καὶ ἐθελήσειας 5
ΝΕ.
mE.
NE.
SOQ. Οὐδαμῶς.
I. τὸ yap τῶν ὡρῶν] Cf.
Odyss. A. 565-8; Hdt. I. 142;
Plat. Lege. 5, 747.
3. ἀκούεις pev] Subaud.
ἤσθησαι δ᾽ οὐ (“although you
have ποῦ seen’”’).
4. ὃν * λόγος --- εἶναι] ὃν
ὡς CH τὸ Β ὡς cett. This pro-
bably implies the same feeling
of half-credulous or ironical
respect towards the popular
religion which appears in Tim.
40d. To Plato the mythology
of his countrymen was but a
rumour, an echo from the past.
5. παρὼν] “ As an eye-wit-
ness.” So the word is fre-
quently used (pleonastically as
here) by Sophocles, e.g. Cid.
Col. 1587.
κρῖναι δ᾽ — roy εὐδαιμονέστε-
ρον] Compare the judgment
between the just and unjust
life in Rep. 2, 360 d, and _ be-
tween pleasure and knowledge
in Phileb. 52 e.
8. τρόπον τινὰ] 1. 6. hypo-
thetically.
το. Ei pev—ypeias] Compare
with the doubt here expressed
as to the happimess of the
golden age, the rejection in
the Republic (2, 372) of the
Βούλει δῆτα ἐγώ σοι τρόπον τινὰ διακρίνω ;
ΣΏ. Πᾶανυ μὲν οὖν.
᾽ Ἁ / . , Qn /
Ei μεν τοίνυν οἱ τρόφιμοι τοῦ Kpovov, πα- το
simple or primitive state as a
basis for the definition of jus-
tice. The picture of an earthly
paradise has been purposely
heightened, in order to enforce
the remark that this is not the
chief good of man. Cf. Eu-
thyd. 289 Ὁ: οὐδέ ye et τις
ἔστιν ἐπιστήμη, ὥστε ἀθανάτους
ποιεῖν ἄνευ τοῦ ἐπίστασθαι τῇ
ἀθανασίᾳ χρῆσθαι, οὐδὲ ταύτης
ἔοικεν ὄφελος οὐδέν. See also
Lys. 221 6: Πότερον, ἢν δ᾽ ἐγώ,
πρὸς Διός, ἐὰν τὸ κακὸν ἀπόληται,
οὐδὲ πεινῆν ἔτι ἔσται οὐδὲ διψῆν,
οὐδὲ ἄλλο οὐδὲν τῶν τοιούτων
κιτιλ. The identification of
the king with the shepherd,
and the notion of a theocracy,
to which Plato here inclines,
but which he rejects as un-
suited to the present state of
man, seem to be of Pythago-
rean origin. Cf. Pythagor. Fr.
ὃ 2. (Mullach p. 533): Ἔχει δὲ
καὶ ws θεὸς ποτὶ κόσμον βασιλεὺς
πρὸς πόλιν, καὶ ὡς πόλις ποτὶ κόσ-
μον, βασιλεὺς πρὸς θεόν. ἁ μὲν γὰρ
πόλις ἐκ πολλῶν καὶ διαφερόντων
συναρμοσθεῖσα κόσμω σύνταξιν
καὶ ἁρμονίαν μεμίμαται, ὁ δὲ βα-
σιλεὺς ἀρχὰν ἔχων ἀνυπεύθυνον,
καὶ αὐτὸς dv νόμος ἔμψυχος, θεὸς
θη ὦ
of wives
and chil-
dren, for
they sprang
from Earth,
not know-
ing whence
they came.
Contrast
their life,
devoid of
care, in a
perfect cli-
mate, tak-
ing no more
thought for
raiment
than the
lilies of the
field, with
our state in
this present
Jovian
cycle, and
say which
is the hap-
piest.
Or rather,
shall I tell
you that
this de-
pends on
60
ρούσης αὐτοῖς οὕτω πολλῆς σχολῆς Kal δυνάμεως p. 272})
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
πρὺς τὸ μὴ μόνον ἀνθρώποις ἀλλὰ καὶ θηρίοις διὰ
λόγων δύνασθαι ξυγγίγνεσθαι, κατεχρῶντο τούτοις
/ pax ® if / / . >
ξύμπασιν ἐπὶ φιλοσοφίαν, μετά τε θηρίων καὶ μετ
» ΄ a 7 \ /
5aAAnA@Y ὁμιλοῦντες, καὶ πυνθανόμενοι παρὰ πάσης
’ 5] “ 57 / 3) BA ΄
φύσεως εἴ τινά τις ἰδίαν δύναμιν ἔχουσα ῃσθετο τι
διάφορον τῶν ἄλλων εἰς συναγυρμὸν φρονήσεως,
ἐν ἀνθρώποις παρεσχημάτισται.
Ibid. § 3, p. 535: θεόμιμόν
ἐντι πρᾶγμα βασιλεία. These
fragments, however, belong to
a later time. See Introduction
to the Statesman, § 3. It is
left uncertain what deity had
charge of the human race. But
the notion of Deity is so far
generalized that this matters
little. See, however, the words
τῶν ἐπὶ Kpdvov—oi τρόφιμοι τοῦ
Κρόνου.
(9.) of τρόφιμοι τοῦ Κρόνου]
“The flock or charge (lit.
‘nurslings’) of Κρόνος." The
name is peculiarly applicable
in the present case, where the
Deity in charge not only go-
verns, but attends to all the
varied wants of those whom
he governs, αὐτάρκης ὧν ois
αὐτὸς νέμει. So also in Rep.
and Laws, those for whose
education the speakers are
providing are spoken of by
the same affectionate name.
Rep. 7, 520 d: ᾿Απειθήσουσιν
ἡμῖν ot τρόφιμοι ; Lege. 7, 804
a: ταὐτὸν δὴ καὶ τοὺς ἡμετέρους
τροφίμους δεῖ.
2. ἀλλὰ καὶ Onpios|] The
traces of this in the regular
mythology were few. (Cf.
however, the stories of Procne,
Philomela, and the like.) But
the Fables of Aisop, and the
cycle to which they belonged
— partly invented to please
the childish imagination, but
probably not without sugges-
tions from Egypt and the East
—were sufficient to suggest
the idea to Plato. See also
Porphyr. V. Pythag. το : (Πυθα-
yopas φησὶν) ὅτι πάντα τὰ γιγνό-
μενα ἔμψυχα ὁμογενῆ δεῖ νομίζειν.
5. καὶ πυνθανόμενοι] Τῇ other
creatures besides man could
tell their experience, science
would rest on a wider basis.
7. εἰς συναγυρμὸν φρονήσεως]
“To contribute to the store of
wisdom.” (Cf. Legg. 8, 845 e:
idap —auvayuprév.) The idea
that knowledge comprises all
the actual relations of things,
and arises only from the in-
terrogation of the most varied
experience, belongs to the
maturity of Plato’s thought.
Cf. Soph. 259 ἃ For πᾶσα
Φύσις, cf. Rep. 2, 359 ¢: 6
πᾶσα φύσις διώκειν πέφυκεν ὡς
ἀγαθόν. The close and friendly
intercourse with Nature, which
Plato here imagines, is well
described in the little German
fable ‘The Story without an
Ἐπα. One point of coinci-
dence may be quoted—when
the child goes to sleep in the
cave, the grass springs up spon-
taneously to make his pillow.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
61
ἣν, a a cf , / Ν » 7
472. εὔκριτον ὅτι τῶν νῦν οἱ τότε μυρίῳ πρὸς εὐδαιμονίαν
/ > \ 3 / / Ὁ Ν lal
διέφερον, εἰ δὲ ἐμπιπλάμενοι σίτων ἅδην καὶ ποτῶν
διελέγοντο πρὸς ἀλλήλους καὶ τὰ θηρία μύθους, οἷα
\ Ν A A ν Dit a 7 Ν a “
d δὴ καὶ τὰ νῦν περὶ αὐτῶν λέγονται, καὶ τοῦτο, ὡς γε
\ \ SiN / ’ » Ν 7. ΕἾ
κατὰ τὴν ἐμὴν δόξαν ἀποφήνασθαι, καὶ μάλ᾽ εὔκρι-
ῳ ’ 5 a \ > ἴω “ a‘ [eat Ἔ π
τον. ὅμως δ᾽ οὖν ταῦτα μὲν ἀφώμεν, EWS αν ἡμιν
᾿ς ec Ἃ -“ / « / \ >
μηνυτὴς τις LKaVOS avn, ποτέρως οἱ τότε Tas ἐπιθὺυ-
Ὥ / a “ a /
μίας εἶχον περί TE ἐπιστημῶν καὶ τῆς τῶν λόγων
7 3 @ Ν “ \ 50 > 7 a x
χβειας ου ενεκὰ τὸν μυσον ηγειραμεν, TOUTO €K:=
if? / ἊΝ Χ a) > \ 4 /
TEOV, ἵνα TO μετὰ τοῦτο εἰς TO πρόσθεν περαίνωμεν.
> \ \ / / / > / \
Ἐπειδὴ yap πάντων τούτων χρόνος ἐτελεώθη καὶ
μεταβολὴν ἔδει γίγνεσθαι καὶ δὴ καὶ τὸ γήινον ἠδὴ
a lA ΄ «ε a lal
πᾶν ἀνήλωτο γένος, πάσας ἑκάστης τῆς ψυχῆς τὰς
The same conception of in-
quiry, as a conversation with
the object of study, appears in
Legs. a 689 e: πάσας ὡς ἔπος
εἰπεῖν διηρώτηκα τὰς κοινωνίας.
“ Inquiring from every nature,
to see if one having some
peculiar power had perceived
something different from the
rest which might be gathered
into wisdom’s treasury.”
2. ef δὲ ἐμπιπλάμενοι---] ΟἿ,
Legg. 7, 807 d: τοῖς δὴ ταύτῃ
κεκοσμημένοις ἄρα οὐδὲν λειπόμε-
νόν ἐστιν καὶ παντάπασιν προσῆ-
κον, ἀλλ᾽ ἐν τρόπῳ βοσκήματος
ἕκαστον πιαινόμενον αὐτῶν δεῖ
ὧν. Rep. 3, 407 a,b: ὁ δὲ δὴ
πλούσιος --- οὐδὲν ἔχει τοιοῦτον
ἔργον προκείμενον, οὗ ἀναγκαζο-
μένῳ ἀπέχεσθαι ἀβίωτον.
3. οἷα] Flor. b. Ven. Ξ. οἷοι.
In either case μῦθοι is to be sup-
plied as the subject of λέγονται.
6. δ᾽ οὖν But to resume.
7. ποτέρως] The clause de-
pends on the verbal notion in
μηνυτὴς.
9. τὸν μῦθον ἠγείραμεν] “ We
have waked from long slumber
a ghost which seems unwilling
to be laid.” Cf. Rep. 5,346a:
ὅσον λόγον πάλιν κινεῖτε περὶ τῆς
πολιτείας !—ov« ἴστε ὅσον ἑσμὸν
λόγων ἐπεγείρετε.
10. ἵνα---περαίνωμεν] “ That
we may get forward with what
is still before us.” Cf. Rep. τ,
346 a: ἵνα τι kal περαίνωμεν.
11. πάντων τούτων χρόνος]
“The time required for all
that has been described.”
12. ede | Cf Prot. 321 ΟΣ
ἡ εἱμαρμένη ἡμέρα παρῆν ev 7 ἔδει
καὶ ἄνθρωπον ἐξιέναι ἐκ γῆς εἰς
φῶς. Compare Emped. vy. 66--
69: Αὐτὰρ ἐπεὶ μέγα Neikos evi
μελέεσσιν ἐθρέφθη | ἐς τιμάς τ᾽
ἀνόρουσε, τελειομένοιο χρόνοιο, |
ὅ σφιν ἀμοιβαῖος πλατέος παρελή-
λαται Ὅρκου.
τὸ γήινον ---- γένος] ‘ The
race whose generation was
from the Earth.”
13. πάσας — ἀποδεδωκυίας |
“ Having completed her pro-
the way in
which the
nurslings
of Saturn
employed
their gold-
en time.
Now when
that cycle
was at an
end, and
each soul
had ful-
filled the
number of
her births
from Earth,
the pilot
of the Uni-
verse let go
the helm.
Rebound-
ing with a
shock, the
mighty
mass caus-
ed a new
s > 8 ὃ 7, “ 3 νι ἢ θέ jj
γενέσεις ἀποδεδωκυίας, OTH ἣν εκάστῃ προσταχθέν, p. “72
per cycle of births.” For Pla-
to’s doctrine of transmigra-
tion, see Pheedo 82, 113, 114;
Rep. 10,618-620; Pheedr. 248,
249; Tim. 42. According to
the Phedrus (248 6), the pe-
riod here spoken of must be at
least 10,000 years. Empe-
docles and Pindar speak of
30,000. Tpis μὲν μυρίας ὥρας
ἀπὸ μακάρων ἀλαλῆσθαι.
I. ὅσα---πεσούσης] “ Having
fallen in so many sowings into
the earth as it was appointed
unto each (to fall) :” i.e. having
been sown in earth so many
times. These words have oc-
casioned some difficulty. Cor-
narius, followed as usual by
Stephanus, read καὶ ὅσα, but
the clause is explanatory of
the preceding, and hence the
asyndeton. (Modestus cau-
tusque quum alias tum in
Platone criticus Stephanus,
interdum tamen, ubi Ficinum
Cornariumye temeré sequitur,
aded sui est dissimilis vix ut vi-
rum agnoscas. Heindorf.) Most
MSS. have προσταχθέντος αὐτά.
Badh. con}. ὅσα ἢν ἑκάστῃ τὰ προσ-
ταχθέντα, τοσαῦτα εἰς γήινα σπέρ-
ματα εἰσδύσης. And the Zurich
editors, adopting a conjecture
of Sauppe’s, read γῆς σπέρματα
(“having fallen into so many
germs of earth”). But the clod
cannot be called a germ until
united with a soul. The soul
is rather the seed implanted in
the earth. Stallbaum suggests
two renderings, making τοσαῦτα
σπέρματα equivalent either to
κατὰ τοσαῦτα σπέρματα, OF tO ὡς
τοσαῦτα σπέρματα, the accusative
in the latter case being put for
the genitive by attraction from
ITAATQNOZ
ὅσα. The latter alternative is
to be rejected, not only because
of the harshness of this attrac-
tion, but because no one who
wished to say “a soul must be
born so many times from the
earth,” would think of expres-
sing himself thus, “a soul
must fall into the earth as so
many seeds.” In the former
Stallbaum has perhaps (for he
speaks obscurely) indicated the
true rendering : according to
which σπέρματα retains more
than usual of a verbal signi-
fication (ef. the unusual mean-
ing of θρέμμα, inf. 289 b), and
is in the accusative cognate
after πεσούσης, while εἰς γῆν
depends partly on πεσούσης,
but directly and chiefly on
σπέρματα. The sense becomes
clear when σπαρείσης is substi-
tuted in thought for πεσούσης.
If Plato had written τοσαῦτα
εἰς γῆν σπέρματα σπαρείσης (or
πτώματα πεσούσης, οἷ. Aisch.
Prom. 921), there could have
been no doubt as to his mean-
ing. Cf Legg. 8, 841 d:
dura δὲ παλλακῶν σπέρματα μὴ
σπείρειν, μηδὲ ἄγονα ἀρρένων παρά
φυσιν : and compare Tim. 41 6:
δέοι δὲ σπαρείσας αὐτὰς (τὰς ψυχάς)
εἰς τὰ προσήκοντα ἑκάσταις ἕκαστα
ὄργανα χρόνου φῦναι ζώων τὸ
θεοσεβέστατον. Ib. 42 d: ἔσπειρε
τοὺς μὲν εἰς γῆν, τοὺς δ᾽ εἰς σελή-
νην, τοὺς δ᾽ εἰς τἄλλα ὅσα ὄργανα
χρόνου. τὸ δὲ μετὰ τὸν σπόρον
τοῖς νέοις παρέδωκε θεοῖς σώματα
πλάττειν θνητά κιτ.ιλ. Thus the
souls are sown into the earth
and there a body is given to
each. The verbal meaning of
σπέρμα (=the act of sowing,
not the seed,) occurs in Hes.
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a “ / / / \ a
272. τοσαῦτα εἰς γῆν σπέρματα πεσούσης, τότε δὴ τοῦ
\ ς A , - , 7 » ΄ὕ
παντὸς ὃ μὲν κυβερνήτης, οἷον πηδαλίων οἴακος ἀφέ-
\ « a \ > 7] Ν \ \
μενος, εἰς τὴν αὑτοῦ περιωπὴν ἀπέστη, Tov δὲ δὴ
[ / > / C / Ν /
κόσμον πάλιν ἀνέστρεφεν εἱμαρμένη τε Kal ξύμφυτος
» / 7 3 τ Ν \ / 7
ἐπιθυμία. TaVvTES οὖν οἱ κατὰ τοὺς τόπους συνάρχον-
Op. et D. 779, σπέρματος ἄρξα-
σθαι, and Soph. Cid. Tyr.
1246, μνήμην παλαιῶν σπερμά-
τῶν ἔχουσα. See Passow’s Lex.
s. v. Although the imagery
is different, the word πεσούσης
recals not only the passage of
the Timzeus just quoted (41 e),
but the prime calamity of the
soul described in the Phedrus.
The above rendering is also
given by (Οὐ. F. Hermann. This
additional reason for the ter-
mination of the cycle gives fresh
plausibility to the story.
I. τοῦ παντὸς ὁ μὲν κυβερνή-
tys| τοῦ παντὸς heads the sen-
tence, displacing μὲν, because
the Universe is the real sub-
ject of all that follows.
2. πηδαλίων οἴακος] “ The
tiller of the helm.” The otaé
was the part of the steering
apparatus next the steersman’s
hand (Pollux, I. 89: οἵ. Aisch.
Ag. 649, οἴακος θιγών).
3. εἰς τὴν αὑτοῦ περιωπὴν
ἀπέστη] ““ Retired to his own
pinnacle of contemplation.”
Cigebliome see 9. 25, ὅθι;
Od. K. 146. The conception
of the Timeus is more ele-
vated (42 e): καὶ 6 μὲν δὴ
ἅπαντα ταῦτα διατάξας ἔμενεν ἐν
τῷ ἑαυτοῦ κατὰ τρόπον ἤθει.
Though the idea of place is
almost entirely absent here,
it may be remembered that
the central fire of the Pytha-
goreans was called Διὸς φυλακή:
and we may recal the νῶτον τοῦ
ovpavod, which is the vantage-
ground of speculation in the
Pheedrus.
4. εἱμαρμένη] Cf. ἔδει above,
and the necessity pointed out
inp. 269 d,e. Cf Tim. 47 e,
566. : μεμιγμένη yap οὖν ἡ τοῦδε
τοῦ κόσμου γένεσις ἐξ ἀνάγκης
τε καὶ νοῦ συστάσεως ἐγεννήθη.
σύμφυτος ἐπιθυμία] This “in-
nate proclivity” may be com-
pared with the blind principle
of spontaneous motion alluded
to in Tim. 30 a: πᾶν ὅσον ἢν
ὁρατὸν παραλαβὼν οὐχ ἡσυχίαν
ἄγον ἀλλὰ κινούμενον πλημμελῶς
καὶ ἀτάκτως. It is to be ob-
served that this has a direction
opposite to the will of God.
5. οἱ κατὰ τοὺς τόπους---θεοὶ]
It is evident from this that the
government of the several re-
gions was not wholly commit-
ted to the subordinate deities.
The Divine operation, imme-
diate on the whole, was at
once immediate and mediate
in every part. If the text of
251 e is sound, there is a false
echo in κατὰ τοὺς rérovs—since
κατὰ τύπους, in the former pas-
sage as it now stands expresses
the partial nature of the Divine
superintendence in the present,
and not its distribution in the
former, cycle. The language
resembles Pheedr. 246 e: τῷ δ᾽
ἕπεται otpatia θεῶν τε καὶ δαι-
μόνων κατὰ ἕνδεκα μέρη κεκοσμη-
destruction
of all kinds
of life: till,
settling by
degrees
into his
own path,
he followed,
as far as
memory
served, his
father’s in-
struction.
But he
forgot this
by degrees,
from being
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΄ ͵ ὃ 7, θ / / "ὃ \ fo
TES τῷ μεγίστῳ Oalpovl CEol, yvovTEes 10H TO γιγνο- Pp. 27
ΠΛΑΤΩΏΝΟΣ
heres: 5 \ / A ͵ a we
μενον, ἀφίεσαν αὖ Ta μέρη TOV κοσμου τῆς αὐτῶν
» /
ἐπιμελείας.
ὁ δὲ μεταστρεφόμενος καὶ ξυμβάλλων, p. 27)
ἀρχῆς τε καὶ τελευτῆς ἐναντίαν ὁρμὴν ὁρμηθείς, σει-
ΒΥ 53 Ν /
enclosed in ὅσμὸν πολὺν ἐν ἑαυτῷ ποιῶν, ἄλλην αὖ φθοραν ζώων
“muddy
ae of
decay,”
which
clung to
him from
the chaos
out of
which he
was at first
\ ΄σ /
παντοίων ἀπειργάσατο. μετὰ δὲ ταῦτα προελθόντος
΄ ΄ / / Ν “ yy
ἱκανοῦ χρόνου, θορύβων τε καὶ ταραχῆς ἤδη παυ-
7 \ vat a / » / oy
μενος καὶ τῶν σεισμῶν, γαλήνης ἐπιλαβόμενος εἰς
XN ’ / / Ν « ΄σ /
τε τὸν εἰωθότα δρόμον τὸν ἑαυτοῦ κατακοσμούμενος
μένη----τῶν δ᾽ ἄλλων ὅσοι ἐν τῷ
τῶν δώδεκα ἀριθμῷ τεταγμένοι
θεοὶ ἄρχοντες, ἡγοῦνται κατὰ τάξιν
ἣν ἕκαστος ἐτάχθη. ξυμβάλλων
se. ἑαυτῷ :—“ coming together
with a shock :” οἵ, Theophr. de
Sensu I: τοὺς τύπους ἀνάγκη
συμβάλλειν ἑαυτοῖς, Soph. Cid.
Col. gor:
συμβάλλουσιν ἐμπόρων ὁδοί. Hom.
Tl. π. 565. And compare the
frequent use of συμβάλλω in
Hdt. to express conflict in war.
I. τῷ μεγίστῳ δαίμονι θεοί]
Badham conjectures τῷ με-
γίστῳ δαίμονες ew. Cf. supr.
270d; ifr: 274 b, Leg gg. 8,
848 6; θεῶν τε καὶ τῶν ἑπομένων
θεοῖς δαιμόνων. Ib. 7, 821 a:
τὸν μέγιστον θεὸν καὶ ὅλον τὸν
κόσμον. See however supr.
271 d,e, where δαίμων and θεός
are interchanged.
4. ἀρχῆς Te καὶ TeA. — ὀρμη-
θείς] “ Having received an im-
pulse opposite, both in respect
of beginning and end,”’—the
πόθεν ‘and the ol. This of
course happens when a circular
motion is reversed: and aggra-
vates the violence of the imme-
diate shock. Had the world
“gone off at a tangent,” the
ἔνθα δίστομοι μάλιστα
ΕἸ » / Ν 7 ΒΩ Sy oN - 5 ec ΄σ
10 €L, ἐπιμέλειαν και Κρᾶτος EX@V QUTOS τῶν εν αὐτῷ b
beginning would have been the
former end, but the end not
the former beginning.
5. ἄλλην αὖ φθοράν] Supr.
270 6.
8. εἰς τὸν εἰωθότα δρόμον] The
vibrations are supposed to
cause a temporary perturba-
tion or nutation of the cir-
cular motion, as in a top that
is not “asleep.”
The notion of vast cycles is
assumed in the Laws. Cf. 3,
680 a, where the first survi-
vors of the flood are called οἱ
ἐν τούτῳ τῷ μέρει τῆς περιόδου
γεγονότες. Ib. 6, 782 ἃ: πόλεων
συστάσεις καὶ φθορὰς καὶ ἐπιτηδεύ-
ματα παντοῖα ταξέως τε καὶ ἀταξίας
καὶ βρώσεος καὶ πωμάτων τε ἅμα καὶ
βρωμάτων ἐπιθυμήματα παντοδαπὰ
πάντως καὶ περὶ πᾶσαν τὴν γὴν
οἰόμεθα γεγονέναι, καὶ
στροφὰς ὡρῶν παντοίας, ἐν αἷς
τὰ ζῶα μεταβάλλειν αὑτῶν παμ-
πληθεῖς μεταβολὰς εἰκός;
εἴς τε---κατακοσμούμενος] ‘Set-
tling down into his accus-
tomed course.” Cf. Rep. 8,
500 a: αἰδοῦς τινος ἐγγενομένης
ἐν τῇ τοῦ νέου ψυχῇ---κατεκοσμήθη
πάλιν. Supr. 271 6. Qu. an.
omittend. τε ?
a 2 >
ap OUK
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μνημονεύων διδαχὴν εἰς δύναμιν.
Ay, Ε fal ‘ a A Ν >
273. TE καὶ ἑαυτοῦ, τὴν τοῦ δημιουργοῦ καὶ πατρὸς ἀπο-
> \ \
κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς μεν
ΩΣ > / lal \ 4
οὖν ἀκριβέστερον ἀπετέλει, τελευτῶν δὲ ἀμβλύτερον.
΄ \ > rc Ν \ vad ,
τούτων δὲ αὐτῷ TO TwparoEdes τῆς συγκράσεως
+ \ a / \ / ΄ σ
αἴτιον, τὸ τῆς πάλαι ποτὲ φύσεως ξύντροφον, ὅτι 5
[3 Dy / > ! Ν > Ν r ,
πολλῆς nv μετέχον ἀταξίας πρὶν εἰς τὸν νῦν κοσμον
> / ‘\ \ \ ZS , 7 Ν
ἀφικέσθαι. παρὰ μὲν γὰρ τοῦ συνθέντος πᾶντα τα
\ Dp \ \ 2 yY sd “
καλὰ κέκτηται παρὰ δὲ τῆς ἔμπροσθεν ἕξεως, ὅσα
λ Ν Ν χὃ > > ἴω / al ξ 5 ΜᾺ
χὰ εἐσὰ και AOLKA EV ουρᾶνῳ γίγνεται, ταυτα ἐς EKEL
SI / 3) Ν an - 3 , \
vns αὐτὸς τε ἔχει Kal τοῖς ζώοις ἐναπεργάζεται. μετὰ
\ 3 a β 7ὔ ἈΝ ζ 7 3 ς a
Mev οὖν του KU EpvynTOV τὰ (wa τρέφων εν αὐτῷ
σμικρὰ μὲν φλαῦρα, μεγάλα δὲ ἐνέτικτεν ἀγαθά"
/ \ / / > lad
χωριζόμενος δὲ ἐκείνου τὸν ἐγγύτατα χρόνον ἀεὶ τῆς
1. πατρὸς) Cf. Tim. 28 e,
47 ἃ. The word is used here
for the sake of the metaphor,
“Calling to mind his father’s
instruction ;? as in Tim. 42 6:
νοήσαντες οἱ παῖδες τὴν τοῦ πα-
τρὸς διάταξιν, μιμούμενοι τὸν
σφέτερον δημιοῦργον.
3. ἀμβλύτερον]! “ With less
sharpness and precision,” as if
making an inferior copy of
some masterpiece of sculpture
or painting, or, “ with dimin-
ished powers,” “ with less in-
sight,” “with less keenness of
vision.” The latter is more
probable.
4. τούτων δὲ --- ἀφικέσθαι |
“ Now this falling off comes to
the world from the _ bodily
element of her composition,
which was inherent in her pri-
mal nature, since this partook
of much disorder, before at-
taining the present organised
form.” Cf. Tim. 30 a: say
ὅσον ἦν ὁρατὸν παραλαβὼν οὐχ
c , oy 5) \ ΄
ἡσυχίαν ἄγον ἀλλὰ κινούμενον
πλημμελῶς καὶ ἀτάκτως, εἰς τάξιν
αὐτὸ ἤγαγεν ἐκ τῆς ἀταξίας. ὅτι----
ἀφικέσθαι is epexegetic of the
previous clause. For the iden-
tity of the ὁρατὸν and ceparo-
evdes, cf. Pheedo 80c¢: τὸ épa-
τὸν αὐτοῦ τὸ σῶμα. Several
MSS., including ΔΙ, have μέ-
τοχον.
ὃ, παρὰ δὲ τῆς ἔμπροσθεν
ἕξεως] Thus a time is ima-
gined before the alternate cy-
cles began. Compare the
thought in Rep. το, 613, of
the just man: ὅσα ye ἀπὸ θεῶν
γίγνεται, πάντα γίγνεθαι ὡς οἷον
TE ἄριστα, εἰ μή τι ἀναγκαῖον
αὐτῷ κακὸν ἐκ προτέρας ἁμαρτίας
ὑπῆρχεν.
παρὰ δὲ -- ἕξεως, ἐξ ἐκείνης]
The expression at first cor-
responds to παρὰ pev—rod συν-
θέντος, but when resumed for
the sake of emphasis in a pro-
nominal form, is more strictly
adapted to the immediate con-
text.
13. τὸν ἐγγύτατα χρόνον ἀεὶ
*K
brought by
his Crea-
tor: from
whom he
derives all
that he has
of good :
and in con-
junction
with whom,
in that
former
cycle, the
evil within
him is re-
duced to a
minimum.
But that
guiding
hand being
withdrawn,
as forget-
fulness in-
creases the
ancient
anarchy
gradually
returns,
until the
world and
all depend-
ent organ-
isms are in
danger of
ruin.
Wherefore
then the
first dis-
poser of the
world, lest
he should
founder in
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> / / , ΄ of \ fal
ἀφέσεως κάλλιστα πάντα διάγει, προϊόντος δὲ τοῦ p. 27:
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
χρόνου καὶ λήθης ἐγγιγνομένης ἐν αὐτῷ μᾶλλον καὶ
/ Ἀ lad qn / /
δυναστεύει TO τῆς παλαιᾶς ἀναρμοστίας πάθος, τε-
a ΄σ vad / \ \
λευτῶντος δὲ ἐξανθεῖ τοῦ χρόνου καὶ σμικρὰ μὲν
’ 7 Ν \ ‘ lal > / lal ’
stayaba, πολλὴν δὲ THY τῶν ἐναντίων κρᾶσιν ἐπεγκε-
ραννύμενος ἐπὶ διαφθορᾶς κίνδυνον αὑτοῦ τε ἀφι-
=~ ΩΝ a > e ΄σ Ν Ν Ν 13, 2. Ν ε
κνεῖται καὶ τῶν ἐν αὑτῷ. διὸ δὴ καὶ TOT HON θεὸς ὁ
UA > / an > > / 3) /
κοσμήσας αὐτὸν, καθορῶν ev ἀπορίαις ὄντα, κηδό-
μενος, ἵνα μὴ χειμασθεὶς ὑπὸ ταραχῆς διαλυθεὶς εἰς
τῆς ἀφέσεως] Proximum quod-
que ab remissione tempus.
2. μᾶλλον καὶ - πάθος] “The
influence of the old habit of
disorder also gains a greater
ascendancy.” Plato’s use of
πάθος, as of γένεσις, is often
dificult to render from its
generality. Cf. Theet. 193 d.
4. ἐξανθεῖ] “Breaks out
into full bloom.” Se. τὸ τῆς
dvappootias πάθος. Cf. infr.
310 d: τελευτῶσα δὲ ἐξανθεῖν
παντάπασιν μανίαις. Aesch. Pers.
821.: ὕβρις yap ἐξανθοῦσ᾽ ἐκάρ-
mace σταχὺν ἄτης. So Stallb. and
Passow s.v. In what follows,
the sentence returns to the ge-
neral subject, 6 κόσμος. The
other rendering, however, de-
serves notice ; in which 6 κόσ-
pos is the subject of ἐξανθεῖ,
which is explained to mean
“leaves blossoming,’ “ ceases
to produce anything good.”
5. πολλὴν ----ἐπεγκεραννύμενος]
“ Administering evil to itself
in large measure.” ἐπεγκεραν-
vopevos, lit. “ pouring into itself
additionally.” The world is a
great vessel, in which differ-
ent elements are mixed: and
during this cycle is itself the
author of the mixture. (κρᾶσιν,
abstract for concrete). Or per-
haps the participle is passive,
“ Receiving large admixture of
evil.” (The passive of a verb
which governs the dative in
the active voice appears in
Rep. 1, 337 a, and Legg. ΤΙ,
925 8, 926 a, 937b.) For
the image, cf. Rep. 8, 562 c¢ :
πόλις ἐλευθερίας διψήσασα κακῶν
οἰνοχύων προστατούντων τύχῃ
καιλ. For the force of the
prefix in ἐπεγκεραννύμενος, cf.
ἐπεγχέω, 6. g. Asch. Ag. 1137.
6. διαφθορᾶς] This word,
if alone, would have been
passive, but by the addition
of the genitives is turned to
an active meaning.
8. κηδόμενος ἵνα pn] “In
care for the world that it may
not” ἄορ. A similar feeling
appears in Legg. 2, 653 ¢:
θεοὶ δὲ οἰκτείραντες τὸ τῶν ἀνθρώ-
mov ἐπίπονον πεφυκὸς γένος ---
Μούσας ᾿Απόλλωνά τε μουσηγέτην
καὶ Διόνυσον ξυνεορταστὰς ἔδοσαν,
iv’ ἐπανορθῶνται τὰς τροφὰς γενο-
μένας ἐν ταῖς ἑορταῖς μετὰ θεῶν.
9. ἵνα py — bin] “ Lest
being tost with tempest it
might be shaken in pieces and
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ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 67
273: τὸν τῆς ἀνομοιότητος ἄπειρον ὄντα τύπον δύῃ, πάλιν
ἐφεδρος αὐτοῦ τῶν πηδαλίων γιγνόμενος, τὰ νοσή-
σαντα καὶ λυθέντα ἐν τῇ καθ᾽ ἑαυτὸν προτέρᾳ περι-
"ὃ Ψ ᾿ εἴ 1 ἐπανορθῶν ἀθάνατον
ὁδῳ στρέψας, κοσμεῖ τε καὶ ἐπανορθῶ
NN Wk) / 3 / - \ a /
QUTOV και aynpav ἀπεργάζεται. TOUTO μὲν ουν τέλος 5
« ΄ 7 \ Ὁ Ὁ aks \ a ,ὕ > /
ἁπάντων εἴρηται. τὸ δ᾽ ἐπὶ THY τοῦ βασιλέως ἀπο-
« Ν » las 7 ε 7 al /
δειξιν ἱκανὸν ἐκ τοῦ πρόσθεν ἁπτομένοις τοῦ λόγου.
΄ὕ \ 5 a , \ ἌΝ χ =
στρεφθέντος yap av τοῦ κοσμου THY ἐπὶ THY νῦν
f SENN x a ξ , 5 ΄ Ψ \
γένεσιν ὁδὸν TO TS ἡλικίας av παλιν ἱστατο καὶ
founder in the abyss of dis-
similitude.” For a glimpse of
the darkening path towards
this limbo of “chaos come
again,” see Parm. 165 ; Tim.
48 e-52 ἃ. In the chaos of
Anaxagoras, the ὁμοιομέρειαι
were at least latent; but to
this new and worse chaos even
this degree of consistency is
denied. The words ἄπειρον
ὄντα recall Pythagorean asso-
ciations.
I. τόπον has been objected
to. Stallbaum would read
πόντον, and M. Wagner, in the
Rheinische Museum, has sug-
gested τυπόν, which is too ab-
stract for the context (χει-
μασθεὶς--- δύῃ). Stallbaum’s ob-
jection (Displicet istud τόπον,
quo metaphor elegantia pes-
sumdatur) forgets the differ-
ence between metaphor and
allegory. The vagueness of τό-
πος in Plato’s use (= “region”)
exactly suits the passage. ΟἿ.
Theet. 176 a; Phedr. 247 ¢,
274 ἃ; Soph. 254 a; Rep.
G508) ce 7510}: 532d: τ;
614 ο.
πάλιν ---- γιγνόμενος] “ Again
presiding at the helm.” ἔφεδρος
not = “successor,” (Ast. Lex.
v.,) but according to the
tragic use with the genitive,
“seated on or at.”
3. ἐν τῇ---περιόδῳ] “ In the
former circuit which the world
made by himself.” καθ᾽ ἑαυτὸν
depends on the verbal notion
in περιόδῳ.
4. στρέψας] “ Having re-
versed.” Not only arresting
decay, but causing growth :
τῇ τροπῇ συνανακυκλουμένης εἰς
τἀναντία τῆς γενέσεως, as before.
5. τέλος ἁπάντων εἴρηται] Our
account of each recurring cycle
is complete. ‘“ The wheel is
brought full circle.”
7. ἱκανὸν] Subaud. ἡμῖν
λέγειν.
ἐκ τοῦ πρόσθεν ἁπτομένοις
τοῦ λόγου] “Taking hold of
the story by the previous
part.” I. 6. attaching what
we have to say to an earlier
point in the fable, viz. the
φθορά mentioned in 273 a, as
ensuing on the change from
the obedient to the self-di-
rected movement of the world.
ὃ. τὴν -- ὁδόν] “ Towards
the present operation οἵ na-
ture.” Cf. note on γενέσεως,
supr. 271 b.
Ke
the abyss
of dissimili-
tude, re-
verses the
process of
decay, and
restores
him to im-
mortal
youth.
The wheel
is thus
brought
full cirele :
but for our
present
purpose
we must
revert to
the begin«
ning of the
period in
which we
live: when,
the uni-
verse being
left to it-
self, the
bodies that
were dwin-
dling began
to grow,
and those
which had
just sprung
in full ma-
turity from
the Earth,
put on grey
locks, and
went be-
neath the
ground.
Then, as
68
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
\ , / > o / \ \ Ν c Ν
καινὰ τἀναντία ἀπεδίδου τοῖς τότε. τὰ μὲν yap υπο Pp. 278}
/ x, 7 ΄ > / a“ 4
σμικρότητος ὀλίγου δέοντα ἠφανίσθαι τῶν ζώων
> / \ > > lal ΄σ΄ ͵ὕ \ /
ηὐξάνετο, τὰ δ᾽ ἐκ γῆς νεογενῆ σώματα πολιὰ φύντα
΄ > U > - / Ν Ε᾽ ΄
πάλιν ἀποθνήσκοντα εἰς γὴν κατῃει. καὶ τάλλα TE
’, / > ,
επᾶντα μετέβαλλεν, ἀπομιμούμενα καὶ ξυνακολου-
a ἴω A Ν / Ν \ Ν Ν Sed
θοῦντα τῷ τοῦ παντὸς παθήματι, Kal δὴ καὶ TO τῆς
/ 5 /
κυήσεως καὶ γεννήσεως Kal τροφῆς μίμημα συνείπετο
ἴω a Ga) > 7, > \ fen OL5:3' 5, ~ >
τοις πάσιν UIT avayKnsS. οὐ yap ἐξῆν eT ἐν YN δι
lol \ 4
ἑτέρων συνιστάντων φύεσθαι ζῶον, ἀλλὰ καθάπερ
a / 4 » ΄ 9S “ « ων
Io TO KOO L@ TT POOETETAKTO AUTOKPATOPA ELVAL TIS AVTOV
/ o ᾽ν ᾿ (γον δὰ - ΄ ᾽ vad
πορείας, οὕτω δὴ KATA ταὐτὰ καὶ τοῖς μέρεσιν αὑτοῖς
5 «ε lad GY oly ny 5. , Ν “
dt αὑτῶν, καθ᾽ ὅσον οἷόν T ἦν, φύειν τε καὶ γεννᾷν
/ 7 ce SS “ ες / > “
καὶ τρέφειν προσετάττετο ὑπὸ τῆς ὁμοίας ἀγωγῆς.
οὗ δὲ ἕνεκα 0 λό 0 ἃς, ἐπ᾿ αὐτῷ νῦν ἐσμὲν
ὁ λόγος ὥρμηκε πᾶς, ET ATE μ
I. καινὰ---τότε] ‘“ Made an
opposite inversion of the phe-
nomena.”
Ta μὲν yap—karje| Those
who according to the previous
order had risen from earth in
full maturity, and had passed
through the stages of youth
and childhood, and were on
the point of disappearing from
the earth, returned to child-
hood, youth, and manhood ;
while those who had been
lately born, and were there-
fore in full maturity, instead
of becoming more youthful,
passed into old age and died
and went below the ground—
so preparing the soil for the
next crop of earth-born men.
3. νεογενῆ] It is to be re-
membered that they are al-
ready full-grown.
πολιὰ φύντα ῇ]Ὶ “ Having
grown grey.” The aorist re-
tains the temporal significa-
tion.
6. τὸ--μίμημα] 1. 6. τὸ τῆς
-- τροφῆς μεμιμημένον συνείπετο.
dv ἐτέρων συνιστάντων] Se. θεῶν.
Cf. Tim. 43a; Protag. 320d.
9. φύεσθαι ζῶον] Bodl. ALY
ζώων.
13. ὑπὸ τῆς ὁμοίας ἀγωγῆς] By
a similar entrainement, by an
eddy from the same current.
Cf. Phedr. 238 ὁ: νικήσασα
ἀγωγῇ. Rep. 10,604b: ἐναντίας
δὲ ἀγωγῆς γιγνομένης ἐν τῷ av-
θρώπῳ. As the world is moved,
so human beings are brought
together, by destiny and innate
desire (εἱμαρμένη καὶ σύμφυτος
ἐπιθυμία) : οὐ γεωμετρικαῖς ἀλλ᾽
ἐρωτικαῖς ἀνάγκαι. (Rep. 5,
458 d.)
14. ἐπ᾽ αὐτῷ---ἐσμὲν] Cf. Rep.
5, 473 6: ἐπ᾽ αὐτὸ (v.1. αὐτῶ)
δὴ εἶμι ὁ τῷ μεγίστῳ προσεικάζο-
μὲν κύματι: Ib. 7, 532¢: er
p- 274
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
09
274. ἤδη. περὶ μὲν γὰρ τῶν ἄλλων θηρίων πολλὰ ἂν καὶ
μακρὰ διεξελθεῖν γίγνοιτο, ἐξ ὧν ἕκαστα καὶ Ov as
αἰτίας μεταβέβληκε: περὶ δὲ ἀνθρώπων βραχύτερα
= a /
καὶ μᾶλλον προσήκοντα.
“ Ν a
τῆς γὰρ τοῦ κεκτημένου
καὶ νέμοντος ἡμᾶς δαίμονος ἀπερημωθέντες ἐπιμε- 5
a lal 3 7 \ \ ,
λείας, τῶν πολλῶν αὖ θηρίων, ὅσα χαλεπὰ Tas φύ-
5 / > \ - yay
σεις ἦν, ἀπαγριωθέντων, αὐτοὶ de ἀσθενεῖς ἄνθρωποι
A ὦ , ΄ ,ὕ ee | IA N
καὶ ἀφύλακτοι γεγονοτες, διηρπάζοντο ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν, καὶ
“4 / Ν a \ ἊΝ / 3
€T ἀμήχανοι καὶ ἄτεχνοι κατὰ τοὺς πρώτους ἦσαν
χρόνους, ἅτε τῆς μὲν αὐτομάτης τροφῆς ἐπίιλελοι- το
/ / \ > > , , \ \
TTVLAS, πορίζεσθαι δὲ οὐκ ἐπιστάμενοί πω διὰ τὸ
Χ Pg
μηδεμίαν αὐτοὺς χρείαν πρότερον ἀναγκάζειν. ἐκ
7 ἊΝ 5 7 > / 53 “ Ν
τούτων πάντων ἐν μεγάλαις ἀπορίαις ἦσαν. ὅθεν δὴ
τὰ πάλαι λεχθέντα παρὰ θεῶν δῶρα ἡμῖν δεδώρηται
> - Ν “ \
per ἀναγκαίας διδαχῆς καὶ παιδεύσεως, πῦρ μὲν
παρὰ ἸΠρομηθέως, τέχναι δὲ παρ᾽ Ἡφαίστου καὶ τῆς
αὐτῷ γίγνεται τῷ τοῦ νοητοῦ τέ-
ε ε
Ae. Soph. Cid. Rex. 1168:
πρὸς αὐτῷ γ᾽ εἰμὶ TO δείνῳ λέγειν.
6. αὖ] Used here almost as
a conjunction.
χαλεπὰ] The opposite of
tractable: fierce and unman-
ageable. Cf. Rep. 6, 493 b,
500 a; bis. Legg. 11, 922 b,
950 b.
7. ἀσθενεῖς ---- καὶ ἀφύλακτοι]
The myth at this point touches
closely on that of Protagoras.
Prot. 321 6: τὸν δὲ ἄνθρωπον
γυμνόν τε καὶ ἀνυπόδητον καὶ
ἄστρωτον καὶ ἄοπλον. The whole
passage, giving an account of
the origin of the arts of life,
should be carefully compared
with this.
11. διὰ τὸ μηδεμίαν ---- avay-
xa¢ew| “ Because no previous
necessity had driven them to
invention.” Cf. Thet. 149 c:
ἡ ἀνθρωπίνη φύσις ἀσθενεστέρα ἢ
λαβεῖν τέχνην ὧν ἂν ἢ ἄπειρος.
14. τὰ πάλαι λεχθέντα! Still
more of the existing fragments
of mythology are incorporated
into the Great Myth.
15. pet ἀναγκαίας διδαχῆς]
The Deity “left not himself
without witness.” The parts
of the Universe were left to
guide themselves as far as was
possible (εἰς δύναμιν, supr. 273
a); but in their extreme need,
such Divine instruction as they
could not do without (ἀναγκαίας)
was still afforded them.
16. καὶ τῆς συντέχνου]! CF.
Prot. 321 6: τὸ τῆς ᾿Αθηνᾶς καὶ
Ἡφαίστου οἴκημα τὸ κοινόν, ἐν ᾧ
ἐφιλοτεχνείτην. Legg. 11, 921
d: Ἡφαίστου καὶ Ἀθηνᾶς ἱέρον
τὸ τῶν δημιουργῶν γένος, οἱ τὸν
the world
was self-
impelled,
so the races
of animals
were left to
propagate
themselves,
And men,
being de-
serted by
their Di-
vine Shep-
herd, were
torn by the
now savage
beasts,
while the
earth no
longer gave
them spon-
taneous
sustenance,
W hence
the gods,
whostill ho-
vered near,
gave them
fire, mecha-
nical arts,
the vine,
the olive,
the sustain-
ing corn,
accompa-
nied with
such in-
struction
as was
indispen-
sable: and
thereafter
left them to
themselves.
Such is the
fable which
we must
now apply.
The myth
has brought
to light the
15
70
ΠΛΑΤΏΩΝΟΣ
, ΄ \ 5 N ‘ . Ἂμ 7
συντέχνου, σπέρματα de αὖ καὶ puta παρ ἄλλων
Ν ΄ ’ € / Ν > / /
καὶ πάνθ᾽ ὁπόσα τὸν ἀνθρώπινον βίον συγκατε-
/ > / / > Χ Ν \ ᾽ “
σκεύακεν, ἐκ τούτων γέγονεν, ἐπειδὴ τὸ μὲν ἐκ θεῶν,
ὅπερ ἐρρήθη νῦν δή, τῆς ἐπιμελείας ἐπέλιπεν ἀνθρώ-
᾽ ς ta A / ‘ Ν \
ὅπους, Ot ἑαυτῶν δὲ ἔδει THY TE διαγωγὴν καὶ τὴν
> / > Ν « cal y / ad ec
ἐπιμέλειαν αὐτοὺς αὑτῶν exe καθάπερ ὁλος ὁ
7, Ὁ 7 , ‘ OWS
Koo MOS, @ ξυμμιμούμενοι καὶ ξυνεπόμενοι τὸν ἀεὶ
/ A \ “ , \ > / ἴω / Ν
χρόνον νῦν μὲν οὕτω, τότε δὲ ἐκείνως ζῶμέν τε καὶ
, Ν Χ \ \ a , / > /
φυόμεθα. Kai τὸ μὲν On τοῦ μύθου τέλος ἐχέτω,
/ δὲ EN / θ Ν Ν ὃ ΄σ
ιοχρήσιμον O€ αὐτὸν ποιησομεθα πρὸς TO κατιόειν
od ¢ ΄ > ΄ Χ Ρ ΄ Ny
ὅσον ἡμάρτομεν ἀποφηνάμενοι Tov βασιλικὸν τε καὶ
Χ lal / /
πολιτικὸν ἐν τῷ πρόσθε λογῳ.
NE. ΣΩΏ. Πῶς οὖν καὶ πόσον ἁμάρτημα φὴς εἶναι
γεγονὸς ἡμῖν ;
EE. Τῇ μὲν βραχύτερον, τῇ δὲ μάλα γενναῖον
\ A ΄ ἂν / Ἃ “,
καὶ πολλῷ μεῖζον καὶ πλέον ἢ τότε.
βίον ἡμῖν ξυγκατεσκευάκασι τέ-
χναις.
I. map ἄλλων ]Ϊ Demeter
and Cora, Triptolemus, Diony-
sus. Cf. Legg. 7, 782 b.
3. TO—ek OeGv—rtis ἐπιμε-
λείας] Double constr. with the
article, τῆς émm. being added
epexegetically. Cf. supr. 271
€: τὸ τῶν avOpamov λεχθὲν αὐ-
τομάτου περὶ βίου.
7. ᾧ ξυμμιμούμενοι καὶ ξυνε-
mopevat] Cf. supr. 2736 : ἀπο-
μιμούμενα καὶ ξυνακολουθοῦντα----
μίμημα συνείπετο, Evy. appears
to be added by a sort οἵ at-
traction from ξυνεπ., by which
the dative is in the first in-
stance governed. It may per-
haps occur to the student to
render ξυμμιμούμενοι “helping
the Universe to imitate (the
movement of the Divine
Hand) :” comparing supr. 273
a: τὴν τοῦ δημιουργοῦ καὶ πα-
τρὸς ἀπομνημονεύων διδαχὴν εἰς
δύναμιν, and infra 293 6, 297 6.
And this sense would not be
unsuitable to this expression
taken singly, and to τὸ τῆς---
τροφῆς μίμημα. But these words
cannot be interpreted apart
from the previous phrase, peré-
βαλλεν ἀπομιμούμενα καὶ ξυνακο-
λουθοῦντα τῷ τοῦ παντὸς παθήματι,
which can only be rendered in
one way.
9. τέλος ἐχέτω] Cf. Phedo
71 Ὁ; Legg. 4, 717 6.
II. ὅσον ἡμάρτομεν] Cf. 268
b,c: πῶς ἂν οὖν ἡμῖν ὁ λόγος
ὀρθὸς φανεῖται καὶ ἀκέραιος ὁ περὶ
τοῦ βασιλέως κ.τ.λ.
15. Τῇ μὲν βραχύτερον] “ Our
—o
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 71
274. NE. ΣΏΩ. [los ; real grava-
ἘΞ Ψ \ ᾿ ͵ Ν 5 ἘΞ ᾿ς men of our
BE. Ὅτι μὲν ἐρωτώμενοι Tov ἐκ τῆς νῦν περι- error.
ἊΣ x ἢ ; ἕ ἐξ τ 4 Our defini-
φορᾶς καὶ γενέσεως βασιλέα καὶ πολιτικὸν τὸν ἐκ tion of the
ruler of the
a 5 ie / / ΄σ / > /
τῆς ἐναντίας περιόδου ποιμένα τῆς τότε ἀνθρωπίνης state is not
mistake in one way is less im-
portant” (than in another of
which we are now to speak
—not Bp. ἢ τότε).
(15.) μάλα γενναῖον] “We have
erred on a grand scale, and
our error is much more serious
and important than I then af-
firmed it to be.” Cf. Phedr.
257 6: συχνὸν διαμαρτάνεις. γεν-
ναῖος is often used with reference
to size, cf. Rep. 2, 372 b. Our
object was not only to shew
that the king has many rivals
᾿ amongst his flock, but also to
see an image of the “ king in
his beauty,” and to establish
his sole authority above other
artists. The image is found,
however, to transcend the re-
ality of the office in the present
order of the world, in which
the statesmen are not Gods
but men, whose natures and
training are not far different
from those whom they seek to
rule.
(16.) τότε] Se. ἔφην. In
speaking of the king as the
herdsman of men we erred in
two ways—first, while truly as-
serting that his rule extended
to the whole state, we did not
sufficiently define the man-
ner of his rule; so that our
definition included some func-
tions which belong to other
craftsmen : and secondly, which
is of more importance, we con-
fused the Statesman of this
present cycle with the Divine
shepherd of the golden age.
2. τὸν ἐκ τῆς νῦν--- γενέσεως
βασιλέα] Cf. Legg. 5, 740 a,
where the community of goods
is said to be μεῖζον ἢ κατὰ τὴν
νῦν γένεσιν καὶ τροφὴν καὶ παί-
ΤΌ. 9, 853 6: ἐπειδὴ δὲ
3 ΄ c ‘ 4
ov, καθάπερ οἱ παλαιοὶ νομοθέται
δευσιν.
θεῶν παισὶ νομοθετούμενοι τοῖς
ἥρωσιν, ὡς 6 νῦν λόγος, αὐτοί τ᾽
ἐκ θεῶν ὄντες ἄλλοις τε ἐκ τοιού-
τῶν γεγονόσιν ἐνομοθέτουν, ἀλλ᾽
ἀνθρωποί τε καὶ ἀνθρώπων σπέρ-
μασι νομοθετοῦμεν τὰ νῦν, ἀνεμέ-
σητον δὴ φοβεῖσθαι κ-.τ.λ.
The same thought is present
also in Legg. 10, 906: τὰς τῶν
φυλάκων ψυχὰς--κυνῶν ἢ Tas τῶν
νομέων ἢ---τὰς τῶν παντάπασιν
ἀκροτάτων δεσποτῶν. Compare
also Parm. 134 d: Οὐκοῦν εἰ
παρὰ τῷ θεῷ αὐτὴ ἐστὶν ἡ ἀκριβε-
στάτη δεσποτεία καὶ αὐτὴ ἡ ἀκρι-
βεστάτη ἐπιστήμη κιτιλ. Arist.
Pol. III. 8: ὥσπερ θεὸν ἐν ἀν-
θρώποις εἰκὸς εἶναι τὸν τοιοῦτον
(τὸν διαφέροντα κατ᾽ ἀρετῆς ὑπερ-
βολήν).
6. παρηνέχθημεν)ὺ “ Went
astray.” Cf. Phileb. 60 d: εἰ δέ
γε παρηνέχθημέν τι τότε, νῦν
ὁστισοῦν ἐπαναλαβὼν ὀρθότερον
εἰπάτω.
| SEE 5} \ a \ amet. - , merely in-
275. ayeAns εἴπομεν, καὶ ταῦτα θεὸν ἀντὶ θνητοῦ, ταὐυτ 5 adequate,
\ ΄ 7, Banco! Si asc ΄ Ξ as we fear-
μεν πάμπολυ παρηνέχθημεν" OTL δὲ ξυμπασὴς τῆς ed, but,
, » > N » 7ὔ of \ / what is
πόλεως ἄρχοντα αὑτὸν ἀπεφήναμεν, OVTWVA δὲ τρόπον — more se-
rious, we
have con-
fused the
modern
Statesman
with the
Divine
Shepherd,
The myth
was intro-
duced that
we might
see ina
clearer
light the
image of
the king.
72 ITAATQNOZ
ov διείπομεν, ταύτῃ δὲ αὖ TO μὲν λεχθὲν ἀληθές, οὐ p. 27. 1]
μὴν ὅλον γε οὐδὲ σαφὲς ἐρρήθη, διὸ καὶ βραχύτερον
x ee) a c 7
7) ΚΑΤ €EKELVO ἡ μαρτήκαμεν.
NE. 50. ᾿Δληδῃ.
ἘΠῚ Δ a / Ν / ε » ὃ /
ee J. ει TOLVUY TOV τρόπον, WS EOLKE, OLOPLOAVTAS
ω > ad vad / “ / Ν Ἀ
τῆς apxns τῆς πόλεως οὕτω τελέως τον πολιτικὸν
ἡμῖν εἰρῆσθαι προσδοκᾷν.
NE. 20. Kados.
BE. Διὰ ταῦτα μὴν καὶ τὸν μῦθον παρεθέμεθα,
“ bd / Ν “ > / Χ ΄, «
τοΐἵνα ἐνδείζαιτο περὶ τῆς ἀγελαιοτροφίας μὴ μόνον ws
/ Ey Ata) Aa lal / \ ΄
πάντες αὐτῆς ἀμφισβητοῦσι τῷ ζητουμένῳ τὰ νῦν,
» Ν > “ ΤΣ > / 5) ΟΣ
ἀλλὰ κἀκεῖνον αὐτὸν ἐναργέστερον ἴδοιμεν, ὃν προσ-
if / \ XN 7 / Ν
KEL, μόνον κατὰ TO παράδειγμα ποιμέενῶν TE Και
/ a ’ / > , ya =
BovkoAwy τῆς ἀνθρωπίνης ἐπιμελειαν ἔχοντα τροφῆς,
NE. ΣΩ. Ὀρθῶς.
EE. Οἶμαι δέ γ᾽, ὦ
I. ταύτῃ δὲ αὖ] δὲ repeated
in the apodosis.
τὸ μὲν--- ἀληθὲ] This was
said previously, p. 268 ὁ: οὐ
μέντοι ἀπειργασμένοι ye εἶμέν πω
δύ ἀκριβείας k.T.d.
6. τῆς ἀρχῆς τῆς πόλεως] “Οἵ
his rule over the city.” In
what follows, it is shewn that,
although distinguished from
others, his function is still su-
preme.
9. παρεθέμεθα] “Introduced.”
Cf. Phileb. 46 b: οὐ μὴν Φιλήβου
γε ἕνεκα παρεθέμην τὸν λόγον.
Phedo 65 6: μήτε τὴν ὄψιν
παραθέμενος ἐν τῷ διανοεῖσθαι.
10. ἵνα ἐνδείξαιτο----κμὴ μόνον----
ἀλλ᾽ ἴδοιμεν] The structure of
the sentence is slightly altered
by the change of subject.
/ / a an /
15 TOUTOU [LOVOV ἀξιωθῆναι του προσρηματος.
if > \ f
Σώκρατες, τοῦτο μὲν ἔτι
Il. τῷ ζητουμένῳ τανῦν] 1. 6.
τῷ πολιτικῷ. For a similar
formal allusion to the subject
of inquiry, cf. Soph. 2230: οὐ
fe τι φαύλης μέτοχόν ἐστι τέχνης
τὸ νῦν ζητούμενον, ἀλλ᾽ εὖ μάλα
ποικίλης. Phileb. 50 b: τὰ νῦν
πολλάκις λεγόμενα. Cf. Gorg.
451 6: οὐδέν πω σαφές. Tim.
49 a: εἴρηται μὲν τἀληθές, δεῖ δ᾽
ἐναργέστερον εἰπεῖν περὶαὐτοῦ.
12. ὃν προσήκει, μόνον---προσ-
ρήματος] “Τὸ whom it belongs,
having, in accordance with our
image, alone of shepherds and
herdsmen the care of human
nurture, alone to be thought
worthy of this title.” The
order of the words is pecu-
liar, as is the case frequently
throughout these dialogues.
|
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ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
79
ἮΝ ΕἾ \ 5 - \ a
γ75. μεῖζον ἢ κατὰ βασιλέα εἶναι TO σχῆμα τὸ τοῦ θείου
[4 \ > > / “ + \ rn
© νομέως, τοὺς δ᾽ ἐνθαδε νῦν ὄντας πολιτικοὺς τοῖς
3 / ε ͵ 9 “- \ \ /
ἀρχομένοις ὁμοίους TE εἰναι μᾶλλον πολὺ Tas φύσεις
Ν , / / ‘
καὶ παραπλησιαίτερον παιδείας μετειληφέναι καὶ
τροφῆς.
NE. >Q. Πάντως που.
a iy \ \ Ἃ 7 3,
mE. Ζητητέοι γε μὴν οὐδὲν ἂν εἴησαν οὔθ᾽
ἴοι δ a af? “ wpaty ΓΤ , ,
nTTOV οὔτε μᾶλλον, εἰθ οὕτως EIT ἐκείνως πεφυ-
κασιν.
NE. ΣΏ. Πώς γὰρ οὔ;
EE. Tide δὴ πάλιν ἐπανέλθωμεν. ἣν γὰρ ἔφαμεν
3 Χ \ 53 / > Ν 7 » \
αὐτεπιτακτικὴν μὲν εἶναι [τέχνην] ἐπὶ ζώοις, οὐ μὴν
ἰδί χλλὰ a NX > aN xy ὡς
ἰοιὰ γε a a KOLWY) THY ἐπιμέελείαν εχουσᾶν,. και
, on , » θὺ 3 λ 7 7ὕ
προσείπομεν δὴ τότε εὐθὺς ἀγελαιοτροφικὴην,---μέ-
μνησαι γάρ :
NE. ΣΩ. Nai.
EE. Ταύτης τοίνυν πη διημαρτάνομεν. τὸν yap
Ν > a ’ >” 5 7
πολιτικὸν οὐδαμοῦ συνελάβομεν οὐδ᾽ ὠνομάσαμεν,
» 3 e a a N A > / 3 Ly
ἀλλ᾽ ημᾶς ἐλαθε κατὰ τὴν ὀνομασίαν ἐκφυγῶν.
NE. 2Q. Πώς;
= “ \ / ΄ / las \
HE. Τοῦ τὰς ἀγέλας ἑκάστας τρέφειν τοῖς μὲν
yA a / val lod ω \
ἄλλοις TOU πᾶσι μέτεστι νομεῦσι, τῷ πολιτικῷ δὲ
3. μᾶλλον πολὺ] So all the
MSS. except Ven. "Ξ., which,
with the old editions, has πολὺ
μᾶλλον. ‘The inversion is per-
fectly in keeping with the ge-
neral style. For τῆς, supra, most
MSS. have τόν. And the Bodl.
has ἐπιμελείας, with ATI.
4. Ζητητέοι-- πεφύκασιν] Ac-
cording to the principle laid
down in Soph. 227 b, and re-
peated supr. 266 d, that de
minimus ceque ac de maximis
curat scientia.
11. ἐπανέλθωμεν] “ Let us re-
trace our steps.”
14. ἀγελαιοτροφικήν |
262 6.
17. Ταύτης --- διημαρτάνομεν]
“Our error lay somewhere in
this.” The genitive is governed
by πῃ; and not by the verb.
IQ. κατὰ τὴν ὀνομασίαν] The
verbal noun ὀνομ. occurs here
for the first time in Greek
literature.
Supr.
ae
But the
form that
we have
seen is
higher than
the states-
men of the
earth, who
are but
men.
On retra-
cing our
steps, we
find that
we gave
too narrow
a designa-
tion to the
15 art which
is sove-
relon over
living crea-
tures.
An “art of
nurture”
does not
include the
Statesman
at all,
though the
name ap-
plies to all
other
herdsmen.
We should
have spo-
ken more
generally
of an art
of tending.
And then
by follow-
ing the
same series
of divisions 15 &
we before
employed,
74
MAATOQNOZ
> \ 3, / ΄“ “ > ih
οὐ μετὸν ἐπηνέγκαμεν τοὔνομα, δέον τῶν κοινῶν ET- p. 47}
ἐνεγκεῖν τι ξύμπασιν.
NE. ΣΏΩ. ᾿Αληθῆ λέγεις, εἴπερ ἐτύγχανε γε OV.
EE. Πῶς δ᾽ οὐκ ἦν τό γε θεραπεύειν ποῦ πᾶσι
skowvov, μηδὲν διορισθείσης τροφῆς μηδέ τινος ἄλλης
πραγματείας ; ἀλλ᾽ ἢ τινα ἀγελαιοκομικὴν ἢ θερα-
Ν Ἃ / > \ 3. a > ’
TEVTLKYY ἢ Και τινα ἐπιμελητικὴν αὐτὴν ονομασασιν,
«ε ἈΝ / 5 Ta) / Ν 3
ως KATA TAVTOYV, ἐξὴν περικαλυπτειν καὶ τὸν πολι-
Χ “ la yy » \ lad mn 3 5 /
τικὸν ἅμα τοῖς ἄλλοις, ἐπειδὴ [δεῖν] τοῦτ᾽ ἐσήμαινεν
100 λόγος.
NE. ΣΏ. Ὀρθῶς. ἀλλ᾽ ἡ μετὰ τοῦτο διαίρεσις
5 7 / ae 17, > +
αὖ TWA τρόπον ἐγίγνετ ἂν;
EE. Κατὰ ταὐτὰ καθ᾽ ἅπερ ἔμπροσθεν διῃρού-
\ Ἂν σ΄ a
μεθα τὴν ἀγελαιοτροφικὴν πεζοῖς τε καὶ ἀπτῆσι, καὶ
»
7 ΄ > lal » fe
μίκτοις TE καὶ AKEPATOLS, τοῖς αὐτοῖς ἂν που τούτοις
/ Ν Ν 7 a Ν
διαιρούμενοι καὶ τὴν ἀγελαιοκομικὴν τὴν τε νῦν καὶ
2. ξύμπασιν] Governed by
κοινῶν.
3. ὄν] Se. κοινόν τι.
4. ἦν---ἐξῆν----ἐσήμαινεν] The
imperfect is used because we
are imagining what might have
been done.
6. θεραπευτικὴν----ἐπιμελητικὴν]
The prefix ἀγελαιο- is to be
resumed in thought with each
of these words.
8. ὡς κατὰ πάντων] “ For the
general expression” —“ for the
generic name.”
9. [δεῖν] τοῦτο] Se. ποιεῖν.
δεῖν om. Bodl. ΔΠ.
12. ἐγίγνετ] Bodl. ἐγγίγνετ᾽.
13. Κατὰ ravta—rois αὐτοῖς]
Note the resumption.
15. ἀμίκτοις Te καὶ ἀκεράτοις]
Thus the twofold distinction is
resumed. Supr. 265 d.
τοῖς αὐτοῖς ---ἐν τῷ λόγῳ]
“ Dividing by means of these
same differences the care of
herds also, we should have
comprehended in the terms of
our definition alike the present
kingship (τὴν νῦν βασιλείαν) and
the royal dignity which existed
in the time of Kronos.” Al-
though the former term ex-
cluded one of these, that now
employed includes them both.
16. ἀγελαιοκομικὴν -js] A va-
rious reading in both places is
-vopix-. The word ἀγελαιοκομική
is of course invented for the
occasion, ἀγελαιοκόμος would
be derived, like ἱπποκόμος (vy.
supr. 261 d), from κομεῖν or κο-
μίζειν, in the sense of “tend-
ing.”
“ Tf the name had been thus
expressed under the form of
tendance, we clearly should not
e
Ρ. 27
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 75
Ν ᾽ 3 5
76. τὴν ἐπὶ Κρόνου βασιλείαν περιειληφότες ἂν ἦμεν we should
lave in-
ὁμοίως ἐν τῷ λόγῳ. cluded al
= ‘ a Divine anc
NE. 30. Φαίνεται: ζητῶ δὲ αὖ τί τὸ μετὰ τοῦτο ; human
a o ° ~ ra > sovereigns
HE. Δῆλον ore λεχθέντος οὕτω τοῦ τῆς ἀγελαιο- under one
form.
cal > , > 37 / > « lal /
κομικῆς ὀνόματος οὐκ ἂν ποτ᾽ ἐγένεθ᾽ ἡμῖν TO τινας 5
) lot « In > 4 Ἃ 7 ᾿ 7
ἀμφισβητεῖν ὡς οὐδ᾽ ἐπιμέλεια τὸ παράπαν ἐστίν,
ὥσπερ τότε δικαίως ἠμφισβητήθη μηδεμίαν εἶναι
/ aN / / a a
τέχνην ἐν ἡμῖν ἀξίαν τούτου τοῦ θρεπτικοῦ προσ-
Α > > iy - “ woes
ρήματος" εἰ δ᾽ οὖν τις εἴη, πολλοῖς πρότερον αὐτῆς
\ ca) LA yx “ /
καὶ μᾶλλον προσήκειν ἢ τινι τῶν βασιλέων. 10
NE. 2Q. ‘Opéas.
— > / / ’ ΄
BE. ᾿Επιμέλεια δέ γε ἀνθρωπίνης συμπάσης κοι-
/ > / Ἂ » , ΡΥ, cal Ν
νωνίας οὐδεμία ἂν ἐθελήσειεν ἑτέρα μᾶλλον καὶ
/ > “ ΄ \ 4
προτέρα τῆς βασιλικῆς φάναι καὶ κατὰ πάντων
; at a
ἀνθρώπων ἀρχῆς εἶναι τέχνη. 15
NE. 30. Λέγεις ὀρθῶς.
by \ a / 3 5 »
HE. Μετὰ ταῦτα δέ γε, ὦ Σώκρατες, ap ἐννο-
a σ ἊΝ ᾽ “ Χ fas / XN 53
οὔμεν OTL πρὸς αὐτῷ δὴ τῷ τέλει συχνὸν αὖ διημαρ-
7
TQVETO :
have been troubled with the
objection that there was no
sort of care of men, as it was
then fairly objected that we
had no art amongst us which
merited this attribute of nur-
ture, and, moreover, if there
was, there were many who
might claim a share in such
an art more easily than a
king.”
5. eyeve?’] So the Bodleian
as well as the Coislinian MS.
12. ᾿Επιμέλεια δέ γε---- τέχνη]
MSN. πραοτέρα: in the Bodl.
without any accent. “ But
there is none” (i.e. no art:
τέχνη is understood from what
precedes and follows) “ which
rather and sooner than king-
craft, would claim to be a
mode of tendance of human
society as a whole, and to be
an art of sovereignty over-
taking all men.” προτέρα for
mpaotépa would be almost re-
quired by the context (πρότερον
—kal μᾶλλον, supr.) even if any
good meaning could be given
to the latter word. Stallbaum
makes the last word, τέχνη, the
subject, and joins ἐπιμέλεια dp-
x7s—but ἐπιμέλεια and ἀρχὴ are
co-ordinate, and not interde-
pendent.
18. πρὸς ait@—7@ τέλει] The
former error has been detected
in an early stage of the process
ἘΣ, 2
But we
made the
further
error of
neglecting
to divide
this.
76
NE. >Q. To ποῖον:
MAATOQNOZ
« 9 > “ f
EE. Τόδε, ὡς ap εἰ καὶ διενοήθημεν 6 τι μά-
κι 3 5 \
Lista τῆς δίποδος ἀγέλης εἶναί τινα θρεπτικὴν
» val c a 3, A >
τέχνην, οὐδέν TL μᾶλλον ἡμᾶς ἔδει βασιλικὴν av-
᾿Ξ \ > x Ν \ e > /
ὅτὴν εὐθὺς καὶ πολιτικὴν ὡς ἀποτετελεσμένην προσ--
/
αγορευειν.
ΝΗ ΣΟ ἫΝ μη]:
EE. Πρῶτον μὲν, ὃ Ἐλέγομεν Ἑ, τοὔνομα μετα-
͵ Ἂν Ν 3 / a)
σκευωρήσασθαι, πρὸς τὴν ἐπιμέλειαν μᾶλλον προσ-
/ x \ 7 y / ΄, A ᾽
1oayayovTas ἢ τὴν τροφὴν, ἔπειτα ταύτην τέμνειν" οὐ
ap σμικρὰς ἂν ἔχοι τμήσεις ἔτι.
γὰρ σμικρ χοι τμή
ΝΕ. ΣΏ. Ποίας:
of division: that now to be
named is an omission with
which we were chargeable at
the close. Supr. 267 α.
(18.) συχνὸν διημαρτάνετο |
“We erred largely.” Cf, Pheedr.
257 ©: συχνὸν διαμαρτάνεις.
2. Τόδε — προσαγορεύειν |
“ This was our mistake, that it
might be said (ἄρα) that how-
ever clear we were as to the
existence of a nurturing art,
we were not therefore justified
in at once calling this by the
names of ‘ kingcraft’ and ‘state-
craft,’ as if perfectly defined.”
7. Ti μὴν ;) Se. ἔδει ; “ Why,
what ought we to have done Ὁ
See note on τί μὴν ; supr.
258 b.
8. Πρῶτον μὲν ὃ ἔλέγομεν Ἔ]
Bodl. AT. ἐλέγομεν : cett. ὃ ἐλέγ-
ομεν. Cf, Rep. 3, 402 c: ἄρ᾽
οὖν, ὃ λέγω, πρὸς θεῶν, οὕτως
οὐδὲ μουσικοὶ πρότερον ἐσόμεθα---.
Ib. 5, 464 6: ἄρ᾽ οὖν οὐχ, ὅπερ
λέγω, τά τε πρόσθεν εἰρημένα καὶ
τὰ νῦν λεγόμενα ἔτι μᾶλλον ἀπερ-
γάζεται αὐτοὺς ἀληθινοὺς φύ-
λακας; Lege. 3,681 b: εἰς τοὺς
παῖδας ἀποτυπουμένους καὶ παίδων
παῖδας, ὃ λέγομεν, ἥκειν κιτ.λ,
Compare Thezt. 188 ¢: 6 @-
τοῦμεν : Where Bodl. ΔΠ. give
ἐζητοῦμεν.
μετασκευωρήσασθαι] Se. ἔδει.
“We ought first, as we are
now saying, to have remo-
delled the name.” The word
is ἅπαξ λεγόμενον, and it is a
little difficult to catch the exact
shade of association which sug-
gested it. The literal meaning
is “to rearrange furniture :”
and the word is perhaps chosen
because this step is prepara-
tory to the real business in
hand, since names are the fur-
niture or utensils (σκεύη) of
thought. Cf. Rep. 7,540 6: δια-
σκευωρήσονται THY ἑαυτῶν πόλιν.
9. ἐπιμέλεια»"͵ὴ The word is
used technically by Aristotle,
Pol. VII. 14: σχεδὸν δὴ πάντα
ταῦτα συμβαίνει κατὰ μίαν ἐπιμέ-
λειαν.
10. ταύτην] Se. τὴν οὕτω μετω-
νομασμένην (ἐπιμελητικὴν) τέχνην.
γ6.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. Yi
HE. “He τε τὸν θεῖον av που διειλόμεθα νομέα
χωρὶς καὶ τὸν ἀνθρώπινον ἐπιμελητήν.
NE. 2Q. ᾿Ορθῶς.
RE. Αὖθις δέ ye τὴν ἀπονεμηθεῖσαν ἐπιμελητικὴν
δίχα τέμνειν ἀναγκαῖον ἦν.
ΝΗ ΣΟ. Tir ;
EE. Τῷ βιαίῳ τε καὶ ἑκουσίῳ.
NE. >Q. Τί δή;
= Ν 7 Χ / « 7,
mE. Καὶ tavrn που τὸ πρότερον ἁμαρτάνοντες
5» / a / > STEN / \ ,
εὐηθέστερα τοῦ δέοντος εἰς TavTov βασιλέα καὶ TU-
ραννον ξυνέθεμεν, ἀνομοιοτάτους ὄντας αὐτούς τε καὶ
τὸν τῆς ἀρχῆς ἑκατέρου τρόπον.
NE. ΣΏ. ᾿Αληθῆ.
HE. Νῦν δέ γε πάλιν ἐπανορθούμενοι, καθάπερ
τ" \ > / 5 \ / ΄
εἶπον, τὴν ἀνθρωπίνην ἐπιμελητικὴν δίχα διαιρώμεθα,
a , \ ¢ “
τῷ βιαίῳ τε καὶ EKOVOLO ;
“4 3
NE. 30. Πᾶανυ μὲν οὖν.
SE. Καὶ τὴν μέν γέ που τῶν βιαίων τυραννικήν,
\ WaeG 4 Nie / / 3 Χ
τὴν δὲ ἑκούσιον καὶ ἑκουσίων διποδων ἀγελαιοκομικὴν
I. “He τε--- Αὖθις δέ ye] The
correspondence of clauses is
not strictly preserved.
4. ἀπονεμηθεῖσαν] 1. 6. “ As-
signed to the human ruler.”
The word is partly suggested
by a false echo from νομέα.
6. Τίνι----ἑκουσίῳ] “ By what
mark of distinction? That be-
tween the compulsory and the
voluntary.” Cf. 265 d:
σχιστῷ καὶ--μώνυχι, alib.
10. εὐηθέστερα τοῦ δέοντος |
“ With undesirable simplicity 1"
a simplicity that might cost
us dear. Cf. Rep. 3, 409 a:
εὐηθεῖς — καὶ εὐεξαπάτητοι ὑπὸ
τῶν ἀδίκων. Ib. το, 598 d.
τῷ
c
II. αὐτούς τε καὶ τὸν--τρόπον]
“ Most unlike in themselves,
as also the mode of either’s
government is most unlike.”
Cf. Symp. 221 ἃ: οἷος---οὑτοσὶ
γέγονε τὴν ἀτοπίαν ἄνθρωπος, καὶ
αὐτὸς καὶ οἱ λόγοι αὐτοῦ.
15. ἀνθρωπίνην ἐπιμελητικὴν |
“The human art of superin-
tendence” as distinguished from
the Divine.
18. τὴν--- τῶν βιαίων] “ The
superintendence of the violent.”
The genitives βιαίων and ἑκου-
σίων are different, the former
pointing to the rulers, the latter
to the persons ruled.
1g. τὴν δὲ---ζ(ώων} “That tend-
We should
have dis-
tinguished,
first, the
Divine
Shepherd
from the
human
ruler, and
then, the
king of a
willing
people from
the tyrant
ofunwilling
subjects,
than which
no differ-
ence can be
greater,
But this
is not all.
Even with
the cum-
brous help
of our
Ἂ « ἴω a Y
5QV μιν OUTWS EXELV
78
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
-/ , ΄ Ν "7 3 / “r
ζώων προσειπόντες πολιτικὴν, TOY ἔχοντα αὖ τέχνην P+ 2.17’
/ > 5, 4 / Ν
ταύτην καὶ ἐπιμέλειαν ὄντως ὄντα βασιλέα καὶ πολι-
\ > ͵7
τικὸν ἀποφαινώμεθα ;
΄ Ψ /
NE. 2Q. Καὶ κινδυνεύει γε, ὦ Eeve, τελέως
δειξις.
EE. Καλῶς av, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἡμῖν ἔχοι.
« Ν Ν Ν > /
ἡ περὶ TOV πολιτικον ἄἅπο-
δεῖ δὲ
Χ Ν a 2 \ > Ν \ “ pu
μὴ σοὶ μόνῳ ταῦτα, ἀλλὰ καἀμοὶ μετὰ TOV κοινῃ
- a \ ΄, Ν ce. y /
ξυνδοκεῖν. νῦν δὲ κατά ye τὴν ἐμὴν οὔπω φαίνεται
/ ἊΝ a a 27 > \ /
pens fa- τοτέλεον ὁ βασιλεὺς ἡμῖν σχῆμα ἔχειν, ἀλλὰ καθάπερ
Θ
we
have only
obtained
a shadowy
outline of
our subject.
> Ν Ν Ν a, / /
ἀνδριαντοποιοὶ παρα καιρον E€VLOTE σπεύδοντες πλείω
/ “ ° lo y > /
καὶ μείζω τοῦ δέοντος ἕκαστα τῶν ἔργων ἐπεμβαλλό-
/ lat « rn fod Χ x “
μενοι βραδύνουσι, καὶ νῦν ἡμεῖς, ἵνα δὴ πρὸς τῷ
\ νΝ rn J Ν “ yy
ταχὺ Kal μεγαλοπρεπῶς δηλώσαιμεν TO τῆς εμ-
ance of animals in herds whose
principle is voluntary and
whose subjects are bipeds hay-
ing free will.”
8. κοίνῃῇ! Cf. supr. 260 Ὁ:
τούτου τοίνυν (τοῦ ὁμονοεῖν) pé-
χριπερ ἂν αὐτοὶ κοινωνῶμεν, ἐατέον
τά γε τῶν ἄλλων δοξάσματα χαί-
ρειν. 2586: τοῦτο ἤδη σον,
οἶμαι, τὸ ἔργον, ὦ ξένε, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ
ἐμὸν γίγνεται. Ξ. Δεῖ ye μὴν----
αὐτὸ εἶναι καὶ σόν.
9. κατά γε τὴν ἐμήν CF.
Phileb. 41 b.
11. πλείω καὶ μείζω is governed
by ἐπεμβ., and does not agree
with ἕκαστα τῶν ἔργων, which is
governed by βραδύνουσι.
12. ἕκαστα τῶν ἔργων] Badh.
conj. τῷ ἔργῳ. But there is no
need of change if the words
are taken alternately, as often
in these dialogues, and βραδυν.
be transitive :—Spadvvovow ék-
15mpoobev ἁμάρτημα διεξόδου, TH βασιλεῖ νομίσαντες
αστα τῶν ἔργων ἐπεμβαλλόμενοι
μείζω καὶ πλέω τοῦ δέοντος. Τῇ
this is thought harsh, I should
prefer to read ἑκάστοις.
emepBardopevac | ““ Throw-
ing in additional material.”
Cf. Tim. 51 d: οὔτ᾽ ἐπὶ λόγου
μήκει πάρεργον ἄλλο μῆκος ἐπεμ-
βλητέον. The middle voice sig-
nifies “‘into their own work.”
13. ἵνα πρὸς τῷ ταχὺ καὶ peya-
λοπρεπῶς] “That not only with
speed but with magnificence.”
πρὸς τῷ ταχὺ Sc. δηλῶσαι. πρὸς
τῷ ταχεῖ would be a more
usual expression, but the ad-
verb is suggested by the suc-
ceeding adverb.
14. τὸ---διεξόδου] Stallbaum
well compares Tim. 39 d: πρὸς
τὴν τῆς διαιωνίας μίμησιν φύσεως.
Ib. 506, Hipp. Maj. 300 «.
15. βασιλεῖ] Governed partly
by πρέπειν, partly by ποιεῖσθαι.
Ρ. 2;
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 79
77. πρέπειν μεγάλα παραδείγματα ποιεῖσθαι, θαυμαστὸν
᾿ 3 ΄ὔ fal / / a / ’
ὄγκον ἀράμενοι τοῦ μύθου, μείζονι τοῦ δέοντος ἠναγ-
κάσθημεν αὐτοῦ μέρει προσχρήσασθαι. διὸ μακρο-
΄ ‘ Day? ΄ N ΄ a
τεραν Τὴν ἀπόδειξιν πεποιίηκαμὲεν καὶ πᾶντως T@
> > ΄σ « /
μύθῳ τέλος οὐκ ἐπέθεμεν, ἀλλ᾽ ἀτεχνῶς ὁ doyoss
ΩΣ “ las \ 54 \ \ yy
ἡμῖν ὥσπερ ζῶον τὴν ἔξωθεν μὲν περιγραφὴν ἔοικεν
« a 4 ἊΝ \ - cad Δ Ν “
ἱκανῶς ἔχειν, τὴν δὲ οἷον τοῖς φαρμάκοις καὶ τῇ
’ὔ’ ray / , , >
Ov/YKpacel TOV χρωμαάτῶν EVAPYELAV OUK ἀπειλη-
I, θαυμαστὸν ὄγκον----τοῦ μύ-
θου] “Taking up in the fable,
as if were, a monstrous lump,
we have been obliged to use
more of it than was good for
our purpose.” The image of
the statuary (or modeller) is
continued. But there is also
in ὄγκον ἀράμενοι an association
from the other meaning of dy-
κον αἴρειν, to assume a lofty
vein. Cf, Soph. Aj.129: μηδ᾽
ὄγκον ἄρῃς μηδέν᾽.
2. τοῦ μύθου is a genitive of
apposition or of respect. Cf.
Protag. 329 a: δολιχὸν κατα-
τείνας τοῦ λόγου.
4. πάντως] “ With all,” like
the Homeric ἔμπης.
6. ὥσπερ ζῶον] “ Like a pic-
ture” of some living thing.
The illustration passes from
statuary to painting.
7. τῇ συγκράσει τῶν χρωμά-
των] “Harmony of colour.”
Cf. Legg. 6, 768 ¢: οἷον περι-
γραφή τις ἔξωθεν περιγεγραμμένη
τὰ μὲν εἴρηκε, τὰ δ᾽ ἀπολείπει
σχεδόν. Ib. ἃ : τὸ δὲ ὅλον καὶ
ἀκριβὲς περὶ ἑνός τε καὶ πάντων
τῶν κατὰ πόλιν καὶ πολιτικὴν
πᾶσαν διοικήσεων οὐκ ἔστι γενέ-
σθαι σαφές, πρὶν ἂν ἡ διέξοδος
ἀπ᾽ ἀρχῆς τά τε δεύτερα καὶ τὰ
μέσα καὶ πάντα μέρη τὰ ἑαυτῆς
ἀπολαβοῦσα πρὸς τέλος ἀφίκηται.
Ib. 769 b: καθάπερ ζωγράφων
οὐδὲν πέρας ἔχειν ἡ πραγματεία
δοκεῖ περὶ ἕκαστον τῶν ζώων, ἀλλ᾽
ἢ τοῦ χραίνειν ἢ ἀποχραίνειν, ἢ
6 τι δὴ καλοῦσι τὸ τοιοῦτον οἱ
ζωγράφων παῖδες, οὐκ ἄν ποτε μοι
δοκεῖ παύσασθαι κοσμοῦσα, ὥστ᾽
ἐπίδοσιν μηκέτ᾽ ἔχειν εἰς τὸ καλ-
λίω τε καὶ φανερώτερα γίγνεσθαι
τὰ γεγραμμέναυ The question,
How far is the requirement
of artistic proportion appli-
eable to philosophical dis-
course? is partly suggested
here, and is fully discussed in
the sequel.
Plato’s contempt of the mere
artist comes out in the same
passage (769 c): ἐντριβὴς----οὐδα-
μῶς γέγονα τῇ τοιαύτῃ τέχνῃ.
ΑΘ. Καὶ οὐδέν γε ἐβλάβης. Com-
pare Soph. 234.
8. ἐνάργειαν] “ Distinctness.”
Here, as in Theext. 203 Ὁ,
the Bodl., with ΔΠ., has ἐνεργ.
—the more familiar word.
The word expresses the way
in which the parts come out
in relief (ὥστε ζωοὶ βροτοί) as
the last touches are added to
a painting.
Aristotle uses the same
combination of metaphors to
describe the necessary imper-
80 ITAATOQNOZ
φέναι πω. γραφῆς δὲ καὶ συμπάσης χειρουργίας Ρ. 27)"
/ Ν / 5 ΄- ue ΄- /
λέξει καὶ λόγῳ δηλοῦν πᾶν ζῶον μᾶλλον πρέπει
va δ a x J \
τοῖς δυναμένοις ἕπεσθαι: τοῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοις διὰ χειρουρ-
γιῶν.
5s NE. SQ. Τοῦτο μὲν
φὴς ἱκανῶς εἰρῆσθαι, δήλωσον.
5 θῶ » “ δὲ Ci 2 5,
ορθως omy O€ ἡμιν οὕπω
No great
thing can
be made
clear with- p ᾿ nae ᾿ a ᾿ ΕΥ̓ Ψ
out exam- VEVEL yap μων EKAOTOS OLOY ονὰρ εἰδὼς ATTAVTA
ples. Even p95 8 ; Ψ τ é a
the nature 107 QVYT αὐ παλιν WOTEP ὕπαρ αγνοειν.
ΞῈ. Χαλεπόν, ὦ δαιμόνιε, μὴ παραδείγμασι χρώ- ἃ
“ 3 / / “ /
μενον ἱκανῶς ἐνδείκνυσθαί τι τῶν μειζόνων. κινδὺυ-
fection of an Ethical discourse :
ἀμυδρῶς καὶ τύπῳ τἀληθὲς ἐνδεί-
κνυσθαι ---τὰ καλῶς ἔχοντα τῇ
περιγραφῇ.
For what follows, οἵ. Gorg.
450 Ὁ: τῶν μὲν ἄλλων τεχνῶν διὰ
χειρουργίας ἐστὶν ἡ ἐπιστήμη.
2. λέξει καὶ λόγῳ] λέξις 15
introduced because λόγος does
not sufficiently express a pro-
6688.
πᾶν ζῶον] And _ therefore
human society, which is a liy-
ing organism.
3. τοῖς δυναμένοις] Governed
by δηλοῦν.
τοῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοις διὰ χειρουρ-
γιῶν] “To the other sort the
creatures may be shewn through
works of art.” This is a good
illustration of Plato’s manner
of displaying both sides, even
when a subject is mentioned
by the way, and when one side
only is required for his pur-
pose. Cf. Rep. 7, 520 6, Legg.
1,632 d: τοῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοις ἡμῖν
οὐδαμῶς ἐστι καταφανῆ.
7. Xaderov—rti τῶν μειζόνων]
This remark is preparatory to
the example of the art of weay-
ing; which, however, is not
introduced till p. 279, a di-
gression on the nature of Ex-
ample being put between. The
thought is one of frequent
occurrence. Phedr. 262 ¢: ὡς
νῦν ye Ψιλῶς πως λέγομεν, οὐχ
ἔχοντες ἱκανὰ παραδείγματα. Soph.
219 ὍΞΕ:
λων δεῖ διαπονεῖσθαι ---- πρότερον
βού-
λει δῆτα περὶ τινὸς τῶν φαύλων
μετιόντες πειραθῶμεν παράδειγμα
αὐτὸ θέσθαι τοῦ μείζονος : In
the Laws the use of Example
is recognized as a necessary
preliminary to discourse. 1,632
6: ὅπως δ᾽ ἂν τὸ πρῶτον διεξέλ-
θωμεν, πειρασόμεθα αὐτὸ παρά-
Sevypa θέμενοι καὶ τἄλλα οὕτω
a > > “- ΄
ὅσα δ᾽ αὖ τῶν μεγά-
5 Ξ = =
ἐν σμικροῖς---δεῖν μελετᾶν.
διαμυθολογοῦντες παραμύθια ποιή-
σασθαι τῆς ὁδοῦ.
9. οἷον ὄναρ εἰδὼς ἅπαντα]
Compare Lys. 218 ¢: κινδυ-
νεύομν ὄναρ πεπλουτηκέναι.
Thezt. 208 b: ὄναρ δὴ---ἐπλου-
τήσαμεν (“In sleep a king, in
waking, no such matter”). A
similar feeling appears in Phi-
leb. 16 b: οὐ μὴν ἔστι καλλίων
ὁδὸς οὐδ᾽ ἂν γένοιτο, ἣς ἐγὼ ἐρα-
στὴς μέν εἰμι ἀεί, πολλάκις δέ με
ἤδη διαφυγοῦσα ἔρημόν τε καὶ
277:
e
78.
IIOAITIKO2.
8]
NE. >Q. Πῶς τοῦτ᾽ εἶπες ;
μ- Ν Yh) ΦΧ ἢ YY , ᾽ A 7
mE. Kati par ἀτόπως ἐοικὰ ye ἐν τῷ παροντι
a) 5 7 > € a
κινήσας TO περὶ τῆς ἐπιστήμης πάθος ἐν ἡμῖν.
NE. 50. Τί δή;
5 ΄ 5 \
BE. Παραδείγματος, ὦ μακάριε, αὖ μοι καὶ TO
παράδειγμα αὐτὸ δεδέηκεν.
NE. ΣΏ. Τί οὖν ; λέγε μηδὲν ἐμοῦ γε ἕνεκα
ἀποκνῶν.
, δ / oa 3 -
HE. Λεκτέον, ἐπειδὴ καὶ σὺ γε ἕτοιμος ἀκολουθεῖν.
N » vad 7 oS yy 4
τους γὰρ ποὺυ παῖδας ἰσμεν, ὁταν ἄρτι γραμμάτων
3 /
EMTELPOL γίγνωνται----
NE. 2Q. To ποῖον ;
BE. Ὅτι τῶν στοιχείων ἕκαστον ἐν ταῖς βραχυ-
᾽ὔ φ ff a lal ta Lal ᾽ὔ
τάταις καὶ ῥάσταις τῶν συλλαβῶν ἱκανῶς διαισθά-
νονται, καὶ τἀληθῆ φράζειν περὶ ἐκεῖνα δυνατοὶ
γίγνονται.
NE. 30. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ:
ἄπορον κατέστησεν : with which
compare Legg. 2, 6546: εἰ δὲ
ταῦθ᾽ ἡμᾶς διαφυγόντα οἰχήσεται.
Pheedo 89 Ὁ, : ἐάν περ γε ἡμῖν
6 λόγος τελευτήσῃ καὶ μὴ δυνώμεθα
αὐτὸν ἀναβιώσασθαι.
3. τὸ περὶ τῆς ἐπιστήμης πά-
Gos] Cf. τὸ τῆς δόξης πάθος,
Theet. 193 d. “After a strange
fashion, it would seem, I have
now touched upon the expe-
rience of our minds in regard
to knowledge.” For the par-
ticiple with ἔοικα, cf. Xen. Hell.
Vi 3, ro (Passow, Lex. 5: v.
ἔοικα), and for κινήσας, cf. infr.
297 ©: κινήσας τις τοῦτον τὸν
λόγον. Theeet. 163 a: τὰ πολλὰ
καὶ ἄτοπα ταῦτα ἐκινήσαμεν.
5. Παραδείγματος] The illus-
*
tration to be drawn presently
from boys learning their let-
ters is an example of what is
meant by Example.
μηδὲν ---- ἀποκνῶν] I. 6.
Don't be afraid of seeming
tedious to me.
9. σύ ye] So also the Bodl.
MS., where the omission of ye,
noted by Gaisford, is after ἐμοῦ
in the previous line, perhaps
caused by λέγε preceding.
13. ἐν ταῖς βραχυτάταις καὶ
ῥάσταις τῶν συλλαβῶν] See
the same illustration more
fully drawn out in Rep. 3, 402
ce, where however the notion
of syllables is not distinctly
present ; Thezt. 206 a, 207,
208 ; Phileb. 17.
M
wn
of example,
it would
seem, is no
exception
to this rule,
We know,
then, that
to children
learn to
read by
being re-
ferred from
syllables
which they
cannot
spell to
others havy-
15 ing the
same let-
ters, which
they al-
ready
know.
82
EE. Ταὐτὰ δέ γε ταῦτα ἐν ἄλλαις ἀμφιγνοοῦντες Pp. 27];
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
πάλιν δόξη τε ψεύδονται καὶ λόγῳ.
NE. 2Q. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
μαι 3 3 Δ en 0, 5 ἢ
ΞΕ. ‘Ap οὖν οὐχ ὧδε ῥᾷστον καὶ κάλλιστον ἐπά-
> \ \ / /
5 yew QUTOUS ἐπι TA PNT γιγνώσκομενα 3
NES Os Moss
—E "A , a » 98 5 a > - > Ν
joy Ls. VAYELW πρῶτον €7 €EKELVA EV OLS Ταῦτα
ταῦτα ὀρθῶς ἐδόξαζον, ἀναγαγόντας δὲ τιθέναι παρὰ
\ , / Ν ΄ »
τὰ μήπω γιγνωσκόμενα, καὶ παραβαάλλοντας ἐνδεικ-
’ὔ Ν 5 ἂν € / \ / > » /
1O YUVAL THY αὐτὴν ὁμοιότητα καὶ φύσιν ἐν ἀμφοτέραις
3 An a , Ay na a
οὖσαν ταῖς συμπλοκαῖς, μέχριπερ ἂν πᾶσι τοῖς ἀγνο-
ουμένοις τὰ δοξαζόμενα ἀληθῶς παρατιθέμενα δειχθῇ,
δειχθέντα δέ, παραδείγμαθ᾽ οὕτω γιγνόμενα, ποιήσῃ
lal / / ͵ » , lol
TOV στοιχειῶν TAVT@V ἕκαστον εν πασαις TALS συλ-
oa ἊΝ \ o ε a 2) “ yy XN
15AaPais, TO μὲν ἐτερον ws τῶν ἄλλων ETEPOY OV, TO
\ Sea ε XN SPAN XN » Ν e “
δὲ TQUTOV ὡς ταὐτὸν αει KATA ταῦτα εαὐτῷ σροσα-
γορεύεσθαι.
NE. ΣΩ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
I. Ταὐτὰ δέ γε ταῦτα] CT.
Theset. 207 6 : ὅταν---Θεαίτητον
γράφων τις θῆτα καὶ εἶ--γράψῃ,
καὶ αὖ Θεόδωρον ἐπιχειρῶν γρά-
φειν ταῦ καὶ εἶ--- ράψη.
2. δόξῃ τε ψεύδονται καὶ λόγῳ]
The possibility of which two-
fold phenomenon has been
proved with some difficulty
this morning. Soph. 262-264.
4. ῥᾷστον καὶ κάλλιστον] Se.
ἐστίν.
8. τιθέναι] Se. τὰ ἐν οἷς ὀρ-
θῶς ἐδόξαζον.
\ DEN ς , ‘
IO. τὴν αὑτὴν opotoTnTa Kal
giow] “The same kindred
form and nature.” ὁἍὁμοιότης
here = ὁμοῖον εἶδος. Cf. Pheedo
"ἢ a: ἐνθάδε---τὴν αὑτοῖς ὁμοι-
ὄτητα τῆς διαγωγῆς ἀεὶ ἕξουσιν.
τὴν αὐτὴν ὁμοιότητα -- ὁμοῖον τῆς
αὐτῆς ἰδέας πάθος.
ἐν ἀμφοτέραις ταῖς συμπλο-
xais]| The same letter in two
different combinations or syl-
lables (i.e. the same idea or
law in two widely different
things). Cf. Soph. 253, 261.
11. μέχριπερ---δειχθῇ] “ Until
the things of which they think
truly (supr. ἐν ois ταὐτὰ ταῦτα
ὀρθῶς ἐδόξαζον) have been shewn
in comparison with all the
things which they do not
know.” There is a slight al-
lusion to the etymology of
παρά-δειγμα.
15. τὸ μὲν ἕτερον---προσαγο-
ρεύεσθαι)])͵ Cf. Rep. 3, 402 6;
Theet. 207 ; Soph. 259 d.
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
83
jn > o qn .Y e ΄ / A
ΜΞ, Οὐκοῦν τοῦτο μὲν ἱκανῶς συνειληφαμεν, ort
/ , / / e , Ἃ >
παραδείγματός γ᾽ ἐστὶ τότε γένεσις, ὁπόταν ὃν ταὐ-
ὩΣ > Cas. / / bd a Ν
τὸν, ἐν ἑτέρῳ διεσπασμένῳ δοξαζόμενον ὀρθῶς καὶ
συναχθὲν, περὶ ἑκάτερον ὡς συνάμφω μίαν ἀληθῆ
δόξαν ἀποτελῇ ;
NE. ΣΏΩ. Φαίνεται.
μα ΄ Ἂ > ’ Saw a Corn «
BE. Θαυμαζοιμεν ἂν οὖν εἰ ταὐτὸν τοῦτο ἡμῶν ἡ
2. ὁπόταν--- ἀποτελῇ} ‘ When
that which is the same in
another separate thing, and
which is rightly conceived, is
brought into comparison, and
so effects one true opinion
about each of the two things
which are thus regarded in
one view.”
3. διεσπασμένῳ] Cf. Soph.
253 d: μίαν ἰδέαν διὰ πολλῶν,
ἑνὸς ἑκάστου κειμένου γωρίς,
πάντῃ διατεταμένην.
4. συναχθὲν)] / Ass re “ yy /
ToTe μὲν ὑπ ἀληθείας περὶ ἐν EKaTTOV ἐν τισι συνι-
\ \ Ν “ ᾽ one 53 /
σταται, TOTE δὲ περὶ ἅπαντα ἐν ἑτέροις αὖ φέρεται,
\ \ \ 9 νοὶ a 7 A , > -
και TH μὲν αὐτῶν ἀμῃ γε ΤῊ TOV συγκράσεων ορθῶς
΄ς ΄ > > val ¥
5 δοξάζει, μετατιθέμενα δ᾽ εἰς τὰς τῶν πραγμάτων
\\ \ ΄ \ /
μακρὰς καὶ μὴ padlovs συλλαβὰς ταὐτὰ ταῦτα πάλιν
ἀγνοεῖ ;
NE. 3Q. Καὶ θαυμαστὸν γε οὐδέν.
EE. Πῶς fyapt, ὦ φίλε, δύναιτ᾽ ἄν τις ἀρχό-
> \ - > a >
™ iopevos ἀπὸ δόξης ψευδοῦς, ἐπί τι τῆς ἀληθείας καὶ
μικρὸν μέρος ἀφικόμενος κτήσασθαι φρόνησιν ;
NE. ΣΩ. Σχεδὸν οὐδαμῶς.
ΞΕ. Οὐκοῦν ταῦτα εἰ ταύτῃ πέφυκεν, οὐδὲν δὴ
La) ἊΝ 7, Ἂ ΄σ \
πλημμελοῖμεν ἂν ἐγώ TE καὶ σὺ πρῶτον μὲν ἐπιχει-
7ὔ “ 7 EK Wated \ , >
rspyoavTes ὅλου παραδείγματος ἰδεῖν τὴν φύσιν ἐν
“ \ / XAA ὃ / Bs δὲ
σμικρῷ κατα μέρος a @ Tapa εἰγμᾶτι, μετα [s
sist and are compounded of
them. In the same manner,
to inquire the form of a lion,
of an oak, of gold—nay, of
water, of air—is a vain pur-
suit ; but to inquire the forms
of sense, of voluntary motion,
of vegetation, of colours, of
gravity and levity, of density,
of tenuity, of heat, of cold, and
all other natures and qualities,
which like an alphabet are not
many, and of which the es-
sences upheld by matter of all
creatures do consist,—to in-
quire, I say, the true forms of
these, is that part of meta-
physique which I now define
On
I. τὰ τῶν πάντων στοιχεῖα]
“ The alphabet of things,” 1. 6.
the ideas. Cf. Thezt. 201 sqq.
2. τό τε pev—epera] Cf.
Phileb. 15: τότε μὲν ἐπὶ θάτερα
κυκλῶν καὶ συμφύρων εἰς ἕν, τότε
δὲ πάλιν ἀνελίττων καὶ διαμε-
ρίζων.
9. Πῶς tyapt] Stallbaum
is probably right in conj. πῶς
ap —.
15. ὅλου] The “whole” is
often put by Plato for the
universal, to which κατὰ μέρος
is here opposed as the par-
ticular. Cf. Rep. 6, 491 ¢:
AaBod τοίνυν, ἦν δ᾽ ἐγώ; ὅλου
Thest. 178 a:
παντὸς τις τοῦ εἴδους
Ib. 182 b: κατὰ
αὐτοῦ ὀρθῶς.
εἰ περὶ
ἐρωτῴη K.T.A.
μέρη οὖν ἄκουε.
τό. ἄλλῳ] Other, as the par-
ticular is other than the ge-
neral. ;
peta δὲ ταῦτα μέλλοντες ---Ἶ
“ Intending, however, after-
wards to bring the same na-
d
278.
270.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 85
a / > A Ν a 7 / *»
ταῦτα μέλλοντες, ἐπὶ TO τοῦ βασιλέως μέγιστον ὃν
SIN 5 ἢ / / / \
ταὐτὸν «dos am ἐλαττόνων φέροντές ποθεν, διὰ
/ > a 5 \ “- \ /
παραδείγματος ἐπιχειρεῖν αὖ τὴν τῶν κατὰ πόλιν
/ / to o Oy /
θεραπείαν τέχνῃ γνωρίζειν, ἵνα ὕπαρ ἀντ᾽ ὀνείρατος
Ca /
ἡμῖν γίγνηται;
΄ ᾿ 5 A
NE. 2Q. avy μὲν οὖν opdas.
μααὶ i“ \ Ν " , ,ὔ
BE. Ἰ]άλιν δὴ τὸν ἔμπροσθεν λόγον ἀναληπτέον,
¢ 3 δὴ “ B λ lat / ia) Ν \ 5A
ὡς ἐπειδὴ τῷ βασιλικῷ γένει τῆς περὶ Tas πόλεις
3 / > a a 7 >
ἐπιμελείας ἀμφισβητοῦσι μυρίοι, δεῖ δὴ πάντας ἀπο-
,ὔ , / a κ᾿ \ \
χωρίζειν τούτους καὶ μόνον ἐκεῖνον λιπεῖν. Kal πρὸς το
a XN 7 yf a N οὐ μὰ
τοῦτο δὴ παραδείγματος ἔφαμεν δεῖν τινὸς ἡμίν.
7
NE, 2Q. Kai μάλα.
“ ΄ 3, 32) \ 5 ‘
BE. Τί δῆτα παράδειγμά τις av, ἔχον THY αὐτὴν
πὸ , /
Ἐπολιτικῇ ὃ πραγματείαν, σμικρότατον παραθέμενος
ε la Ἃ “ S / / \ /
ἱκανῶς av εὕροι TO ζητούμενον ; βούλει πρὸς Διός,
53 Ἅ » / ΄ “ y ᾽ >
ὦ Σώκρατες, εἰ μὴ TL πρόχειρον ἕτερον ἔχομεν, ἀλλ
3 7 \ ’ὔ, 5
οὖν τὴν γε ὑφαντικὴν προελώμεθα ; καὶ ταύτην, εἰ
a \ a i \ \
δοκεῖ, μὴ πᾶσαν 3 ἀποχρήσει yap ἴσως ἡ περὶ τὰ EK
A , « ΄' ΄ \ Ἂ Coa a N
TOV ἐρίων VpaTpaTa τάχα yap ἂν ἡμῖν καὶ τοῦτο TO
“ See / \ ἃ /
μέρος αὐτῆς μαρτυρήσειε προαιρεθὲν 0 βουλομεθα.
NE. 2Q. Τί γὰρ ov;
ture from some lesser subject
to bear on the most important
nature of the king, and to
endeavour—.” The construc-
tion is determined by a sort
of attraction from the previous
participle.
I, μέγιστον ὃν ταὐτὸν εἶδος]
Cf. Rep. 4, 435 a: 6 γε ταὐτὸν
ἄν τις προσέιποι μεῖζόν τε καὶ
ἔλαττον.
3. τῶν κατὰ πόλιν] Mase.
4. ὕπαρ ἀντ᾽ ὀνείρατος] Cf.
supr. 277 d.
\ a , >
7. τὸν ἔμπροσθεν λόγον ava-
ληπτέον] P. 268d: ἕως ἂν τοὺς
τῆς
ἀντιποιουμένους
περικεχυμένους καὶ
συννομῆς
περιελόντες καὶ χωρίσαντες ἀπ᾽
καθαρὸν μόνον ἐκεῖνον
ἀποφήνωμεν. Also 275-277.
TO. ἐκεῖνον] τὸν βασιλέα im-
plied in τῷ βασιλικῷ γένει.
14. ἔπολιτικ ] MSS. πολιτι-
κήν. The correction occurred
also to Ast and Stallbaum.
20. μαρτυρήσειε προαιρεθὲν |
The participle, as ἴῃ πρέψει
ῥηθὲν, supr. 269 6, and the
like.
αὐτῷ
αὐτῷ
> ,
EKELV@V
illustrate
for us this
point of
method,
and pre-
pare the
way for a
more en-
lightened
view of the
States-
man’s
office.
Reverting
then to
what has
been pre-
viously
said, that
we must
try to clear
away from
the King
the crowd
of rival
artists, we
select as an
example
the art of
weaving
woollen
cloth.
Aswe have
already
done in the
case of
statecraft,
let us di-
vide the
arts and
sciences
until we
come in
sight of
what we
seek.
We do
this briefly,
so as to
bring the
. I
question to
the same
point at
which we
have left
the parallel
inquiry.
Of produc-
tions and
~ / 7 A \
possessions, 15 σόλεμον ὁπλίσματα, τὰ δε
some are
for action,
some for
protection.
86 ΠΛΑΤΩ͂ΝΟΣ
EE. Τί δῆτα οὐ, καθάπερ ἐν τοῖς ἔμπροσθεν τέ- p. 296)"
΄- “ / lal
μνοντες μέρη μερῶν ἕκαστον διηρούμεθα, καὶ νῦν
ε 4“ ὦ al > td \
περὶ ὑφαντικὴν ταὐτὸν τοῦτο ἐδράσαμεν, καὶ κατὰ
σ \ / Ν /
δύναμιν ὅ TL μάλιστα διὰ βραχέων ταχὺ πᾶντ᾽ ἐπελ-
μ μ
/ , ” 5s Ν a /
5θοντες πάλιν ἤλθομεν ἐπὶ TO νῦν χρήσιμον ;
“ /
NE, 20. [as λέγεις ;
> ‘ / / /
ΞΕ. Αὐτὴν τὴν διέξοδον ἀπόκρισίν σοι ποιή-
σομαι.
NE. ΣΩ. Καλλιστ᾽ εἶπες.
μααὶ 3 / id CoS € / a
ο ἐπ, “Kore τοίνυν πάντα ἡμῖν ὅποσα δημιουργοῦ-
Ν / Ν \ (4 “ 5 Ἂν \
μεν Kal κτώμεθα, TA μὲν ἕνεκα τοῦ ποιεῖν τι, τὰ δὲ
a Ν 7, / Ν la / ‘\
τοῦ μὴ πάσχειν ἀμυντὴηρια᾽ καὶ TOV ἀμυντηρίων τὰ
\ > ΄ Ν las ΄ \ \
μὲν ἀλεξιφάρμακα καὶ θεῖα καὶ ἀνθρώπινα, τὰ δὲ
, lal \ 7 \ \ Ν \ ἢ
προβλήματα τῶν δὲ προβλημάτων τὰ μέν πρὸς τὸν
, na
φράγματα: Kal τῶν
/ A \\ ΄ὔ A \ XN
φραγμάτων Ta μὲν παραπετάσματα, τὰ δὲ πρὸς
I. Τί οὐ -- ἐδράσαμεν | Οἵ,
Soph. 251 6. Phileb. 54 ὁ.
. κατὰ δύναμιν----διὰ βραχέων]
talismans or of drugs.
14. τῶν d€—ovvoera] “ De-
fences from the weather are
This is fulfilled in the follow-
ing sentence, in which the
method of dichotomies is ex-
emplified as it were in short
hand. Perhaps also there is
here a sly anticipation of
the length to which the illus-
tration is allowed to run,
which is made the occasion of
comment afterwards.
7. Αὐτὴν --- ποιήσομαι] Cf.
Soph. 250 a: πειράσομαι δρᾷν
τοῦτο ἐρωτῶν σε καθάπερ ἐκείνους
τότε, ἵνα ἅμα τι καὶ προΐωμεν.
10. δημιουργοῦμεν καὶ κτώμεθα]
ποιητική and κτητική (Soph. 219)
are thus combined.
13. ἀλεξιφάρμακα καὶ θεῖα καὶ
ἀνθρώπινα] Preventives divine
and human—in the form of
housing and body-shelter: of
the latter sort are mats and
envelopments ; which are of
one piece or of several. Those
of several pieces are stitched
or otherwise compacted, of
vegetable fibre or of hair or
wool: and of these some are
felted together with the help
of water and earth, while some
are compacted of themselves.”
τό. παραπετάσματα] “ Cur-
tains—to shut out the view.”
Hesych. : παραπετάσματα, παρα-
Cf. Prot. 316 e:
ταῖς τέχναις ταύταις παραπετά-
σμασιν ἐχρήσαντο. The word is
used also by Herodotus of the
Persian hangings found in the
tent of Mardonius at Plateea.
καλύμματα.
9:
280
MOAITIKO®X. 87
Χεη ῶναν καὶ κατ ἀλεξητήρια: τῶν δὲ ἀλεξητη-
ρίων τὰ μὲν στεγανμαπα; τὰ δὲ σκεπάσματα᾽ καὶ
τῶν σκεπασμάτων ὑποπετάσματα μὲν ἄλλα, περι-
ἊΝ \ “ / \ \ \
καλύμματα δὲ ἕτερα᾽ περικαλυμμάτων δὲ τὰ μὲν
ε / ,ὔ We i a Ν / \
ὁλοσχιστα, σύνθετα δὲ ἕτερα" τῶν δὲ συνθέτων TA
\ ’ \ > 7 ΄ ΄ a
μέν τρητὰ, τὰ δὲ ἄνευ τρήσεως TVVOETA καὶ TOV
3 / \ \ / “ > a \ \ /
ἀτρητων τὰ μέν νεύρινα φυτῶν EK γῆς; τὰ δε τρίχινα"
fal \ / \ \ “ Ν “ , \ \
τῶν δὲ τριχίνων τὰ μὲν ὕδασι καὶ γῇ κολλητά, τὰ δὲ
Daa - / \ - > a « a
αὐτὰ αὑτοῖς συνδετά. τουτοισὶ δὴ τοῖς EK τῶν εαυτοῖς
/ > , \ ΄,
συνδουμένων ἐργασθεῖσιν ἀμυντηρίοις καὶ σκεπάσ -
NS \ 4 « ’ / \ \ -
μασι TO μὲν ὄνομα ἱμάτια ἐκαλέσαμεν" τὴν δὲ τῶν
/ / > / / “ /
ἱματίων μάλιστα ἐπιμελουμένην τέχνην, ὥσπερ τότε
‘SS a / \ By, 4 Ν - 7
τὴν τῆς πόλεως πολιτικὴν εἴπομεν, οὕτω καὶ νῦν ταύ-
/ a a 7 ec
τὴν προσείπωμεν ἀπ᾽ αὐτοῦ τοῦ πράγματος ἱματι-
/
ουργικὴν᾽
«- , 5 / 7 53 / \\ /
ἱματίων ἐργασίᾳ μέγιστον ἣν μόριον, μηδὲν διαφέρειν
“ δὲ Se i σ SN a a
φῶμεν δὲ Kat ὑφαντικην, ὅσον ἐπὶ TH τῶν
7. The genitive φυτῶν de-
pends on ἐστὶ, which is to be
supplied, but at the same time
defines more particularly the
idea of νεύρινον, “of fibres,
from plants.”
9. τούτοισι] Several MSS.
have τουτοισί: but this is a
case where the dwrior lectio is
preferable.
to. ἀμυντηρίοις | Cf. Lege,
11,920 6: οἱ τὰ τῶν δημιουργῶν
Oe Cie τέχναισιν ἑτέραις ἀμυν-
τηρίοις ἔργα.
15. ὅσον] This can hardly
mean “Inasmuch as.” In
Rep. 1, 328 d, which Ast com-
pares (Lex. s. v.), ὅσον is
distinctly an accusative of
measure, and is answered by
τοσοῦτον, which could not be
introduced here without de-
stroying the sense. And if so
- the making of clothes.”
rendered, the words must be
understood to anticipate what
is brought out afterwards,
that weaving is only a part of
the making of clothes. This
should be kept in the back-
ground here. The word al-
ludes to what is said above
and explained immediately be-
low, that only a part of the
art of weaving is concerned
with making woollen gar-
ments. 279 b: καὶ ταύτην, εἰ
δοκεῖ, μὴ πᾶσαν κιτιλ. This is
confirmed by ἦν. “Δὐ least
that very large portion of this
art which we saw to be for
ὅσον
therefore limits the subject οἵ
διαφέρειν.
ἐπὶ] As in Gorg. 463 6:
τέτταρα ταῦτα μύρια ἐπὶ τέτταρσιν
πράγμασιν, 8110.
σι
σι
Protections
are prophy-
lacties and
defences.
Defences
are armour
and bar-
riers. Bar-
riers are
screens and
weather-
stops. Wea-
ther-stops
are shelter
and clothes.
Clothes are
rugs and
integu-
ments. In-
teguments
are of one
piece or
composite,
The compo-
site are
stitched or
otherwise
combined.
Those un-
stitched
are of
vegetable
fibre or of
hair. Those
of hair are
compacted
with earth
and water,
or com-
bined of
their own
substance
without
such help.
These last
are called
clothing :
and the
art which
tends on
these may
be called
cloth-
making :
which dif-
fers from
the weay-
ing of wool,
as the King ;5
and the
Statesman
δῶ
πλὴν ὀνόματι ταύτης τῆς ἱματιουργικῆς, καθάπερ p. “8
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
> o / \ \ ~ “
κακεῖ TOTE τὴν βασιλικὴν τῆς πολιτικῆς.
NE. 2Q. ᾿Ορθότατα γε.
cal “ \
EE. To pera τοῦτο δὴ συλλογισώμεθα, ὅτι τὴν
cd / « \ “ ε ΄- ΄ ΚΑ ἊΝ © 4
5uatiov ὑφαντικὴν οὕτω ῥηθεῖσαν Tis TAX ἂν ἱκανῶς
εἰρῆσθαι δόξειε, μὴ δυνάμενος Evvvoeiv ὅτι τῶν μὲν
> ΝΝ a 357) / ΄σ \ εν
ἐγγὺς ξυνεργῶν οὔπω διώρισται, πολλῶν δὲ ἑτέρων
ξυγγενῶν ἀπεμερίσθη.
NE. 2Q. Ποίων, εἰπέ, ξυγγενῶν ;
EE. Οὐχ ἕσπου τοῖς λεχθεῖσιν, ὡς φαίνει" πάλιν
3 ξ yy 3 / 3 Uj 5 Χ “ >
OUV +7 €ouKev ETTAVLTEOV APKOMEVOVY ἀπὸ τελευτῆς. ει
\ lal \ b / \ \ / >
yap ξυννοεῖς THY οἰκειότητα, THY μὲν διετέμομεν ἀπ
a A ΄ \ cr / ,
αὐτῆς νῦν On, THY τῶν στρωμάτων σύνθεσιν, περι-
βολῇ χωρίζοντες καὶ ὑποβολῇ.
NE. >Q. Μανθαάνω.
μι Ν \ \ » a / ιν / Ν
EH. Kat μὴν τὴν ἐκ τῶν λίνων καὶ σπάρτων καὶ
2. κἀκεῖ τότε] 250 b,c. See
also 274 6.
4. συλλογισώμεθα] “ Let us
reflect.” “Let us think, put-
ting together what has been
said.” Or, perhaps, “Com-
paring this argument with the
preceding.” As the definition
of the king seemed to be com-
plete, at the end of the first
series of divisions, so might
the definition of the weaver at
this point. Yet neither has
been distinguished from his
ereatest rivals.
10. πάλιν οὖν ΤΊ ἔοικεν ἐπανι-
τέον] Hither ὡς ἔοικεν or ἔπανι-
τέον εἶναι Seems to be required.
II. ἀρχόμενον ἀπὸ τελευτῆς]
“ Beginning from the end.”
As in resuming the “ gene-
alogy” of the Sophist, 226 a,
ib. 268. This order is not
strictly followed, however, un-
less the “end” includes all
from καὶ σκεπασμάτων
downwards.
εἰ ξυννοεῖς τὴν οἰκειότητα]
Young Socrates’ question, Ποίων
— ξυγγενῶν : shewed that he
had not observed the likeness
or kindred, e. g. between ἐσθὴς
and στρώματα.
12. τὴν μὲν διετέμομεν] μὲν 15
answered by καὶ μὴν.
τὴν μὲν -- ὑποβολῇ] “ We
just now cut off from the
weaving of garments that of
bed clothes, distinguishing
them by the one being put
under us and the other round.
13. περιβολῇ καὶ ὑποβολῇ] Supr.
ὑποπετάσματα μὲν ἄλλα, περικα-
λύμματα δὲ ἕτερα.
τῶν
Cc
HMOAITIKOS.
δὺ
/ « ὦ a "7 σ΄ \ 7 7
80. πάντων, oTOTAa φυτῶν apTL νεῦρα κατὰ λογον εἴπο-
/ a ’ / / ᾽ κε
μεν, δημιουργίαν πᾶσαν ἀφείλομεν᾽ τήν T αὖ πιλη-
Χ ΄ὔ Ν lol ε lal
τικὴν ἀφωρισάμεθα Kal THY TH τρήσει καὶ ῥαφῇ
χρωμένην σύνθεσιν, ἧς ἡ πλείστη σκυτοτομική.
NE. ΣΏ. Πανυ μὲν οὖν.
= Ν / Χ lal « / /
SE. Kat τοίνυν τὴν τῶν ὁλοσχίστων σκεπασμα-
/ 4 \ a
Tov θεραπείαν, δερματουργικὴν, Kal τὰς τῶν στεγασ -
’ “ 5 5) fa) SS GY “ Ν
μάτων, ὅσαι TE ἐν οἰκοδομικῇ καὶ ὅλῃ τεκτονικῇ καὶ
» ΕΣ / e /
ἐν ἄλλαις τέχναις ῥευμάτων στεκτικαὶ γίγνονται,
» / “ Ν \ \ Ν
συμπάσας ἀφείλομεν, ὅσαι τε περὶ Tas κλοπᾶς καὶ
\ Bi LE ὃ λ δ ΠᾺΡ / /
Tas La T pa ELS OLAKDAUTLKA epya παρέχονται τέχναι
΄ὔ ΄ >
φραγμάτων, περί τε γένεσιν ἐπιθηματουργίας οὖσαι
Ν “ lad >
Kal Tas τῶν θυρωμάτων πήξεις, γομφωτικῆς ἀπονεμ-
1. φυτῶν νεῦρα---εἴπομεν] Viz.
in saying νεύρινα φυτῶν supr.
κατὰ λόγον] Following ana-
logy.
8. ὅσαι te—vylyvovra] I.e.
ὅσαι τε ἐν OLKOO. kK. OA. TEKTOV. στε-
κτικαὶ (OY στεγαστικαὶ) γίγνονται,
καὶ ὅσαι ἐν ἄλλαις τεχν. ῥευμάτων
στεκτ. γιγν.
9. ῥευμάτων στεκτικαὶ] “ Hous-
ing” is not an adequate trans-
lation of στεγαστική, as this
includes the damming of rivers
and the lke: “the art of
making wind-and-water-tight.”’
Many of the words in this
passage are quoted, with others
from the Politicus, by Pollux,
Onomasticon 7, 208-10, who
adds : etre σπουδάζων ἔχρητο τοῖς
ὀνόμασιν, εἴτε καὶ μή---λέγω δὲ,
διὰ τὸ ἐν ἐνίοις τῶν ὀνομάτων βιαι-
ότερον χρῆσθαι.
10. ὅσαι τε-- τέχνης] “And all
the arts which produce pre-
ventive barriers, as against
theft and violence, such as are
the process of lid-makingand the
eS
fixing of doors, being separate
portions of the art of joining.”
The order is ὅσαι τέχναι παρέ-
χονται---διακωλυτικὰ ἔργα φραγμά-
The genitive of apposi-
tion again recals the language
of tragedy. This class was not
strictly included in the παραπε-
τάσματα of the previous enume-
ration,
13. γομφωτικῆς ἀπονεμηθεῖσθαι
μόρια τέχνης] Hither “set apart
as portions of the joiner’s art,”
or “haying had assigned to
them several portions of the
joiner’s art.” For the latter,
ef. infr. 281 ¢: μεγάλα δὲ (μέρη)
καὶ σφίσιν αὐταῖς ἀπονέμουσαι.
The use of the passive would
then be analogous to πιστεύ-
ομαί τι, “1 am entrusted with
something”—a trace of which
occurs as early as Plat. Ep. I.
309 a: διοικῶν τὴν ὑμετέραν ap-
των.
χήν πεπιστεύμενος πάντων μά-
λιστα. Other instances in
which a noun which would
have followed the active verb
N
σι
differed, in
name only.
But though
the defini-
tion is spe-
cious, we
see on re-
flection
that the
art has still
to be dis-
tinguished
from those
most akin
to it. Se-
veral kin-
dred arts
have in-
deed been
parted off,
such as the
making of
bedclothes,
of skins, of
linen cloth,
and rush-
matting, of
felt, of
shoes, of
houses and
dams, of
lids and
doors, of
90
a « \ ? /
ηθεῖσαι μόρια τέχνης" τήν τε ὁπλοποιικὴν ἀπετεμο- P. 21}
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
μεθα, μεγάλης καὶ παντοίας τῆς προβληματουργικῆς
a 5 / Ξ Ν Ν \ Ν ‘
τμῆμα οὖσαν δυνάμεως" καὶ On καὶ THY μαγευτικὴν
5 = / > > \ > ἈΝ
τὴν περὶ τὰ ἀλεξιφάρμακα κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς εὐθὺς διω-
, / Ν 7, ε ὃ / ya
armour, all δρισάμεθα ξύμπασαν, και λελοίπαμεν, ως ὀξαιμεν αν».
of which
are in-
cluded in
the cate-
gory of
defences.
The art of
magical
charms was
early re-
jected, so
that one
only art,
that of de-
fying wea-
ther by the
production
ofa woollen
Ν Ν ς lal \ / > ΄σ
αὐτὴν τὴν ζητηθεῖσαν ἀμυντικὴν χειμώνων, ἐρεοῦ προ-
βλήματος ἐργαστικήν, ὄνομα δὲ ὑφαντικὴν λεχθεῖσαν.
NE, ΣΏ. Ἔοικε γὰρ οὖν.
> > 3, ΄ 53 5 a
HE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐκ ἔστι πω τέλεον, ὦ παῖ, τοῦτο λε-
« > > “- “ ~ ς 7 » /
ολεγμένον. O γὰρ εν ἀρχῇ της τῶν LUaTLOV εργασιᾶς
΄ / > / « a ΄σ /
ἁπτόμενος τοὐναντίον ὑφῇ δρᾷν φαίνεται.
NESS OM ilast
EE. To μὲν τῆς ὑφῆς
in the dative case is made the
subject of the the passive verb,
are Lege. 11, 925 6: τοὺς ἐπι-
ταττυμένους. Lb.g26 a: τοῖς νομο-
θετουμένοις (mase.). Ib. 937: ἐὰν
ἐπισκήφθῃ. Rep.1,337 ἃ: ἐλεεῖ-
σθαι----μᾶλλον---ἢ χαλεπαίνεσθαι.
For a generalization similar
to those in the present pas-
sage, cf. Lege. 12, 944 ὁ : και-
ροὶ---λύσεως---νέως ἢ ζώου τινος,
ovs ἐντόνους τε καὶ ὑποζώματα καὶ
νεύρων ἐπιτόνους μίαν οὖσαν φύ-
σιν διεσπαρμένην, πολλαχοῦ πολ-
λοῖς ὀνόμασι προσαγορεύουσιν.
3. payevtexny | The word
μαγεία and the almost equally
rare word ἀλεξιφάρμακον occur
move: ΠΡ ΤΡ Ὁ ΠΣ ΡΣ
There is a slight inaccuracy
of reference in putting toge-
ther the ὁλόσχιστα σκεπάσματα
and the στεγάσματα, the former
of which came after, while the
latter preceded, the mention
of στρωματὰ.
7. λεχθεῖσαν] The participle
is added, as in tragic poetry,
- πλοκή.
ene? 5 ,
συμπλοκὴ τις ἐστι που.
to round the sense. Cf. Soph.
Trach. 1: ἀρχαῖος φανείς.
9. τέλεον λελεγμένον] CF.
supr. 271 a: ἄδηλον διεφθείρετο.
II. τοὐναντίον ὑφῇ If we
compare Soph. 226 b, where
the process of carding is made
the symbol of the Elenchus
(a figure which may have
partly suggested this), it will
not seem fanciful to suppose
an allusion here to the logical
process of διαίρεσις, which, as
was shewn in the Sophist, is
imperfect without the converse
process of συναγωγή or συμ-
The work of the
Statesman also has these two
elements, in common with
every art that is based on
knowledge. Cf. infr. 308 ο:
πᾶσα ἐπιστήμη πανταχοῦ τὰ μὲν
μοχθηρὰ εἰς δύναμιν ἀποβάλλει,
τὰ δ᾽ ἐπιτήδεια καὶ χρηστὰ ἔλα-
Bev, ἐκ τούτων δὲ καὶ ὁμοίων καὶ
ἀνομοίων ὄντων, πάντ᾽ εἰς ἕν αὐτὰ
ξυνάγουσα, μίαν τινὰ δύναμιν καὶ
ἰδέαν δημιουργεῖ.
MOAITIKOS. 91
por. NE. SQ. Nai.
| BE. To δέ ye τῶν συνεστώτων καὶ συμπεπιλὴη-
μένων διαλυτική.
NE. ΣΏ. Τὸ ποῖον δή ;
ΞΕ. To τῆς τοῦ Eaivovros τέχνης ἔργον. ἢ τὴν
ξαντικὴν τολμήσομεν ὑφαντικὴν καὶ τὸν ξάντην ὡς
ὄντα ὑφάντην καλεῖν ;
NE. 20. Οὐδαμώς.
EE. Kat μὴν τήν ye αὖ στήμονος ἐργαστικὴν καὶ
κρόκης εἴ τις ὑφαντικὴν προσαγορεύει, παράδοξόν τε
καὶ ψεῦδος ὄνομα λέγει.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Hes γὰρ οὔ;
ΞΕ. Τί δέ; κναφευτικὴν σύμπασαν καὶ τὴν
ἀκεστικὴν πότερα μηδεμίαν ἐπιμέλειαν μηδέ τινα
θεραπείαν ἐσθῆτος θῶμεν, ἢ καὶ ταύτας πάσας ὡς
ὑφαντικὰς λέζομεν ;
NE. SQ. Οὐδαμώς.
EE. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τῆς ye θεραπείας ἀμφισβητή-
Ὁ 7 Ν a 7, lo a
σουσιν QAUTAL ξύμπασαι καὶ TNS γένέεσέεως TiS TOY
ε 7ὔ lal ΄σ lal 7 , \
ἱματίων τῇ τῆς ὑφαντικῆς δυνάμει, μέγιστον μὲν 20
/ » / ὃ ὃ a aN δὲ Ν / ᾽ la
μέρος ἐκείνῃ διδοῦσαι, μεγάλα δὲ καὶ σφίσιν αὐταῖς
/
ἀπονέμουσαι.
NE, ΣΏ. Πάνυ γε.
ρικήν καλεῖς, ἡ ἂν ἢ περὶ λόγους ;
17. Οὐδαμῶς] Se. ὑφαντικάς.
Only the latter half of the
2. Τὸ δέ γε---διαλυτική] Se.
ἐν ἀρχῇ τῆς τῶν ἱμάτιων
δρώμενόν ἐστι πρᾶξις
τὸ δέ γε
ἐργασίας
διαλυτική.
13. κναφευτικήν͵] Cf. Gorg.
491 a: σκυτέας τε καὶ μαγείρους
λέγων καὶ ἰατροὺς οὐδὲν παύει.
Soph. 227 ἃ.
16. ὑφαντικάς 1 Cf. Gorg.
450 Ὁ: τί δή ποτε τὰς ἄλλας
τέχνας οὐ ῥητορικὰς καλεῖς, οὔσας
περὶ λόγους, εἴπερ ταυτην ῥητο-
question is answered: hence
Socrates calls attention to the
former part, with ἀλλὰ piy—
ὝξαστΑ
18. τῆς --- θεραπείας] For
the construction without περί,
ef. infr. 275 b, 279 a, Phileb.
22 C: τῶν νικητηρίων οὐκ ἀμ-
φισβητῶ πω ὑπὲρ νοῦ.
FN 2
5
defence (by
name weav-
ing), would
seem to be
left.
The defini-
tion, how-
ever, is not
yet com-
plete.
Other pro-
cesses be-
sides weav-
ing are
engaged in
the making
of cloth.
10 Forcarding
or
is not com-
bination
but. divi-
sion. Nor
are spin-
ning and
weaving
to be con-
founded.
Once more,
fulling and
darning are
processes
concerned
with cloth,
from which
weaving
must be
distin-
guished.
Here are
several
rival arts,
whose land-
marks must
be placed
with care,
To which
must be
added those
which forge
the wea-
ver’s tools,
and which
may be
viewed as
adminicu-
lar. The
definition
of weaving
in wool will
not be com-
Q2
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
ec > cad \ C « -“
δημιουργοὺς τέχνας, Oc ὧν ἀποτελεῖται τὰ τῆς ὑφῆς
ΕΣ “ \ / / 32 f
εργα, δοκεῖν ΧΡῊ TO γε συναιτίιας εἰναι προσποιή-
Ν “2 ΄,
σασθαι παντὸς ὑφάσματος.
NE. ΣΏ. ᾿Ορθότατα.
/ 3 « ΄σ “ . “ ,
mE. Πότερον οὖν ἡμῖν ὁ περὶ τῆς ὑφαντικῆς λο-
@ / 7] tg fol 3,
γος, οὗ προειλόμεθα μέρους, ἱκανῶς ἔσται διωρισ-
9 >
/ aN
μενος, ἐὰν
\ ΄σ > va « / Ν
ἂρ auTnv τῶν ἐεπιμελειῶν, ὁπόσαι περὶ
\ > a 3 “ 9} X / Ν /
τὴν ἐρεᾶν ἐσθῆτα, εἰς THY καλλίστην καὶ μεγίστην
2. δύ ὧν] Se. ἐργαλείων.
3. τό γε--- προσποιήσασθαι
“ Lay claim to be at least co-
operative causes :” cf. ἀμφισ-
βητήσουσιν supr.
7. οὗ προειλόμεθα pepovs] An
explanatory limitation. “ The
art of weaving, that part of it
which we selected :” supr. 279
Ὁ: τοῦτο τὸ μέρος αὐτῆς ---προαι-
ρεθέν. The second noun limits
the first, with which it is in
apposition : as In such expres-
sions as of ᾿Αθηναῖοι----οἱ στρατη-
γοί in Thucydides.
8. ὁπόσαι --- τιθῶμεν) The
reading of most MSS., εἰς τὴν
καλλίστην, is sufficiently de-
fended by Soph. 235 a (where
see note); Tim. 57e: κώῴώησιν
δὲ εἰς ἀνωμαλότητα ἀεὶ τιθῶμεν.
Legg. 867 Ὁ : εἰς εἴκόνα που
θῶμεν. For the omission of
the substantive verb after
ὁπόσος, which frequently hap-
pens, cf. infr. 285 a: πάνθ᾽
ὁπόσα evtexva. The Zurich
which is
The Bodl.,
editors read εἰσί,
found in Flor. 1.
with A, has εἰς γῆν.
9. εἰς τὴν καλλίστην καὶ peyio-
τὴν πασῶν | This recals the
example by which the last
hypothesis concerning know-
ledge in the Theztetus is il-
lustrated (p. 207 d): τὸ ἔχειν τι
σημεῖον εἰπεῖν ᾧ TOY ἁπάντων
διαφέρει τὸ ἐρωτώμενον---οἷον---
ἡλίου πέρι ἱκανὸν οἶμαί σοι εἶναι
ἀποδέξασθαι ὅτι τὸ λαμπρότατόν
ἐστι τῶν κατὰ τὸν οὐρανὸν ἰόντων
περὶ γῆν. Since that definition
was given, the argument of the
“‘Sophist” has intervened. We
now see that it is not enough
to describe the sun as different
in brightness from other hea-
venly bodies. These other
bodies, which are τού the sun,
have a nature of their own,
which is defined by and de-
fines their difference from the
sun. Ido not know the sun,
or any other thing, therefore,
until I have determined the
exact limit between each of
these other natures and the
one in question. Comp. Legg.
6, 768 d: τὸ δὲ ὅλον καὶ ἀκριβὲς
we qn \ a ᾽ὔ aA r 4 de>
iu, Ovkovy μετὰ TaUTa ποιήτεον O Λέγομεν, ιν 5
ἐφεξῆς ἡμῖν ὁ λόγος ἴῃ ;
NE. 3Q. Πῶς δ᾽ ov;
«
΄σ a δ \ x ’ >
81. πασῶν τιθῶμεν ; ἢ λέγοιμεν μὲν av τι ἀληθές, οὐ
=a Il la \ / δύ / yf \
wey Lue P@TOV μεν TOLYUY OVO τέχνας ουσὰς πέρι
4 Ἁ / /
πάντα τὰ δρώμενα θεασώμεθα.
NE. ΣΩ. Twas ;
ἘΠῚ Τὴ \ a “ > / \
»- Le HV μὲν TS γενέσεως OVO QV ξυναίτιον, ΤΡ
> SEEN yt
δ᾽ αὐτὴν αἰτίαν.
NE. 2Q. [las ;
EE. Ὅσαι μὲν τὸ πρᾶγμα αὐτὸ μὴ δημιουργοῦσι,
> \ , yf ,
ταῖς δὲ δημιουργούσαις ὄργανα παρασκευάζουσιν, 15
52 N Τὰ 5 a» / XN
ὧν μὴ παραγενομένων οὐκ ἂν ποτε ἐργασθείη TO
/ «ς ΄ lo a 7 \
προστεταγμένον EKAOTY TOV τέχνων. Ταῦτας μὲν
,ὔ \ \ SN \ n ’ 7
ξυναιτίους, τὰς δὲ αὐτὸ τὸ πρᾶγμα ἀπεργαζομένας
ot)
QITLAS.
NE. 3Q. "Ἔχει γοῦν λόγον.
a XN \ \ 7,
BE. Mera τοῦτο δὴ τὰς μὲν περί τε aTpaKTous
Ν / Nae UN, 2 a a Ν \
καὶ κερκίδας καὶ ὁπόσα ἄλλα ὄργανα τῆς περὶ τὰ
/ , las 7 ,
ἀμφιέσματα γενέσεως κοινωνεῖ, πάσας ξυναιτίους
2. πρὶν αὖ So all the
MSS. except SY. αὖ is suffi-
ciently in point: and for the
omission of ἂν (more common
in tragedy), cf. Tim. 57 b:
πρὶν---ἐκφυγῇς, where there is
no good reason to suspect the
text.
8. δύο --- τέχνα] The dis-
tinction between cause and
condition, which is the essen-
tial point in this part of the
argument, is also stated in
Phedo 99 a, b; Phileb. 27 a;
Tim. 46 Ὁ; d.
22. τῆς περὶ τὰ ἀμφιέσματα
γενέσεως ]͵ Cf. Soph. 251 6:
τῆς περὶ φρόνησιν κτήσεως. “ All
the instruments that share in
the operations for producing
clothes.”
plete until
all these
have been
parted off.
We must
not be con-
tented with
saying that
it is the
noblest of
the indus-
tries which
have to do
with wool-
len cloth,
First, then,
we may
draw a uni-
versal dis-
tinction
between
productive
and admi-
nicular
arts; and
then apply
this distine-
tion to the
case in
point.
Washing,
mending,
and other
furbishing
of clothes,
carding,
spinning,
20 and the
other em-
ployments
operose
Minervee
included
under wool-
working,
are pro-
ductive
arts.
94: IAATQNOS
/ \ ἃ > \ / \ /
εἴπωμεν, τὰς δὲ αὐτὰ θεραπευούσας καὶ δημιουργού- p. 2
> /
σας αἰτιας :
NE. ΣΩ. ᾿Ορθότατα.
ZE. Tov αἰτιῶν δὴ πλυντικὴν μὲν καὶ ἀκεστικὴν Pp. 488
Βκαὶ πᾶσαν τὴν περὶ ταῦτα θεραπευτικήν, πο.
οὔσης τῆς κοσμητικῆς τοὐνταῦθα αὐτῆς μύριον, εἰκὸς
7 ’ > Lag rat ΄ ͵7ὔ
μάλιστα περιλαμβάνειν ὀνομάζοντας πᾶν τῇ τέχνῃ
τῇ κναφευτικῇ.
NE. 2Q. KadAds.
EE. Kal μὴν *€avricn® ye καὶ
Ἐγηστικὴ Ἔ καὶ
7 3 Ν Ν Χ / 5 A nm “ “-“
παντα αὖ τὰ περὶ τὴν ποίησιν αὐτὴν τῆς ἐσθῆτος ἧς
/ / 7 / 3 / lal « Ν /
λέγομεν μέρη, μία TIS ἐστι τέχνη τῶν ὑπο πάντων
λεγομένων, ἡ ταλασιουργική.
I. αὐτὰ] Se. τὰ ἀμφιέσματα.
4. Τῶν αἰτιῶν ---- πλυντικήν]
The partitive genitive, as in
τῆς γνωστικῆς ὅσον ἐπιτακτικὸν,
supr. 263 6; τὰ πεζὰ τῶν ἡμέρων,
supr. 265 b.
5. πολλῆς ---- μόριον] Appo-
sition. The genitive is not
absolute, but is resumed in
αὐτῆς because of the interven-
tion of the participle. See
Thest. 155 6, and note.
ἡ. περιλαμβάνειν----κναφευτικῇ]
The dative is governed by
περιλαμβάνειν, Which ὀνομάζοντας
explains. Cf. Soph. 225 a:
τῷ---σώματι πρὸς σώματα γιγ-
νομένῳ--- ὄνομα λέγειν τι τοιοῦ-
τον τιθεμένους οἷον βιαστικόν.
Phedr. 273 6; Theet. 148 6;
Soph. 226 6. The accusative
πᾶν depends on the participle
and the infinitive taken toge-
ther.
πᾶν] Agreeing with μόριον,
and of course including πλυντι-
κὴν, ἀκεστικήν K.T.A,
το. ἔξαντικὴ" ἕνηστική"} MSS.
ξαντικὴν----νηστικὴν. The correc
tion is due to Stephanus.
II. ἧς λέγομεν] Se. τῆς ἐρεᾶς.
12. μία τίς ἐστι τέχνη] “ Form
a single art which is one of
those universally acknow-
ledged, that of working in
wool.” Cf. Legg. 7; 805 e:
κερκίδων ἄρχειν καὶ πάσης ταλα-
σίας. ἐστι follows the num-
ber of the nearest word, and
is also assisted by the neuter
plural μέρη. Cf infr. b, πᾶν
τοῦτο, and 284 6, 288 d: Χρυ-
σόν τε καὶ ἄργυρον καὶ πάνθ᾽
ὁπόσα μεταλλεύεται K.T.A. — καὶ
φλοιστικὴ ---- καὶ ὅσαι --- εἰσὶ
τέχναι" ἕν δὲ αὐτὸ προσαγορεύομεν
πᾶν. Where αὐτὸ, referring to
all the preceding nominatives,
is made singular by ἕν.
τῶν --- λεγομένων͵] “ Used
in common parlance,” so that
it is needless to invent a
technical name. Cf. Soph.
220d: ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν τῶν περὶ τὴν
Ως, «δ
!
Ι
b
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 95
482. ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Πῶς γὰρ ov ;
EE. Τὴς δὴ ταλασιουργικῆς δύο τμήματά ἐστον,
/ c 7 “ ΄- / /
καὶ τούτοιν ἑκάτερον ἅμα δυοῖν πεφύκατον τέχναιν
μέρη.
NE. 3Q. Πώς:
μοὶ Ν \ Ν ὡς Ν a n
HEH. To μὲν ξαντικὸν καὶ τὸ τῆς κερκιστικῆς
Ψ Qe?
\ > / > /
ἥμισυ καὶ ὅσα τὰ ξυγκείμενα ἀπ᾿ ἀλλήλων ἀφίστησι,
“-“ a A ¢ a / td Heo)
πᾶν τοῦτο ὡς ἕν φράζειν τῆς TE ταλασιουργίας αὐτῆς
» / Ν ΄ \ ἈΝ 7 cacy yy
€OTL TOU, Και μεγάλα τινε κατὰ TAVTA μιν στὴν
/ « / /
τέχνα, ἡ συγκριτικὴ TE καὶ διακριτική----
NE. ΣΩ. Ναί
θήραν πυρευτικὴν ῥηθῆναι συμ-
βέβηκεν. The Stranger loves to
parade the commonness of his
examples. For the genitive,
cf. Rep. το, 615 d: ἐθεασόμεθα
—kal τοῦτο τῶν δείνων θεαμάτων.
An art acknowledged by all
men is distinguished from one
for which a name has to be
invented, such as δοξομιμητική
in the Sophist.
3. τούτοιν ἑκάτερον---πεφύκα-
τον] The dual verb is used
because τούτοιν ἑκάτερον = τούτω
ἕκατερον, Which is rather sug-
gested by the plural μέρη.
Cf. infr. 284 6: διαφέρον ἀλλή-
ow. “And these are parts,
each of them of two arts at
once :” viz. the one of rada-
σιουργικὴ and συγκριτικὴ, the
other of ταλασ. and διακριτ.
6. τὸ τῆς κερκιστικῆς ἡμισύ]
The use of the κερκὶς or
“comb” was partly to drive
the threads of the woof close
together, but partly also (as
appears from Cratyl. 388 a)
to keep the threads of the
warp and woof (here especially
the warp, infr. στήμοσι) dis-
tinct. This latter “half” of
the use of the comb belongs
to διακριτική, ‘ divisive art.”
9. μεγάλα τινὲ --- διακριτική |
The course of the sentence is
interrupted by the introduc-
tion of this clause. The words
should have run, τῆς τε ταλα-
σιουργίας αὐτῆς ἔστι που καὶ τῆς
διακριτικῆς. But the last word
required explanation, which is
conversationally interposed.
Ci oma Oda th 424-4 5):
alib. Soph. Cid. Col. 471-
473: Ο. Grav δὲ τοῦτο χεῦμ᾽
ἀκήρατον λάβω: X. κρατῆρές
εἰσιν, ἀνδρὸς εὔχειρος τέχνη, ὧν
κρᾶτ᾽ ἔρεψον καὶ λαβὰς ἀμφιστό-
μους. Hjusd. Trach. 750-75
“sy? ec 3 , > ᾿»{Ἰ
ὅθ᾽ εἷρπε----ἀκτή τις---ἐστιν, ἔνθα
-- βώμους ὁρίζει ---- οὗ νιν ---
ἐσεῖδον.
9. ἤστην] “There are two
comprehensive arts of univer-
sal application, with which we
are familiar.” Cf. Soph. 228
e: ἐγενέσθην. Ib. 258 6: ἦν τε
ν»»-»
καὶ ἔστι. Compare the frequent
use of the perfect : 6. g. νενόμικα
Soph. 557 ὃ 59 ἂν 5ύη ἢ
infr. 293 b.
Now of
wool-work-
ing there
are two
chief kinds,
each falling
under one
of the two
great cate-
gories of
division
and compo-
sition.
Carding
and one
use of the
comb be-
long to
wool-work-
ing and
division.
But our
concern is
with that
part of
wool-work-
ing which
is a part of
composi-
tion: of
which one
kind twists
and the
other inter-
laces.
96
SE. Ths τοίνυν Sle puna 1) TE ξαντικῇ καὶ τὰ p. 284 ἢ
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
νῦν δὴ ῥηθέντα ἅπαντά ἐστιν; ἡ γὰρ ἐν ἐρίοις τε καὶ ©
στήμοσι διακριτική, κερκίδι μὲν ἄλλον τρόπον γιγ-
/ \ 9 yy “ > / 5 /
νομένη, χερσὶ δὲ ἕτερον, ETXEV OTA ἀρτίως ὀνόματα
βἐρρήθη.
NE. ΣΩ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
ΞΕ. Αὖθις δὴ πάλιν συγκριτικῆς μόριον ἅμα καὶ
7 > CY. was / / “ Ν
ταλασιουργίας ἐν αὑτῇ γιγνόμενον λαβωμεν" σα δὲ
τῆς διακριτικῆς ἦν αὐτόθι, “μεθιῶμεν᾽" ξύμπαντα, δίχα
a If
κριτικῷ τμηματι.
ΝΕ. 2Q. Διῃρήσθω.
’, \ / “
τοτέμνοντες τὴν ταλασιουργίαν διακριτικῷ τε καὶ συγ-
μ- x XN 5
EE. To συγκριτικὸν τοίνυν αὖ σοι καὶ ταλασι-
2. ἐν ἐρίοις τε καὶ στήμοσι]
ξαντική being employed with
the former, τὸ τῆς κερκιστικῆς
ἡμισύ with the latter.
3. kepxidv] Viz. in the case
of the warp.
4. χερσὶ] In that of the
raw wool.
ἔσχεν ---- ὀνόματα] Cf. Soph.
227 ἃ, ὄνοματα ἔσχεν, and note.
Tim. 39 ἃ: ὅσα δὲ οὐρανοῦ
πορευόμενα ἔσχε τροπάς.
8. ἐν αὐτῇ γιγνόμενον] “ Find-
ing place therein :” viz. ἐν τῇ
ταλασιουργίᾳ, which is the ge-
neral subject. “'To be referred
thither as contained therein :”
as when a segment of one
circle is contained in another
circle. Stallbaum punctuates
before αὐτόθι, which he trans-
lates Hic statim, an emphatic
sense, which in Attic Greek
is generally reserved for αὐτοῦ,
“ Let us now turn and take a
part of the process of wool-
working, which is at the same
time a part of composition ;
and let us dismiss (μεθιῶμεν)
all the parts of division which
we found there (ἦν αὐτόθι, sc.
ἐν αὐτῇ), separating the art
into two halves, distinguished
by composition and division.”
MSS. μετίωμεν. No attempt
is made to “follow up” (pe-
tievat) the divisions of διακρι-
tixn. Probably therefore for
μετίωμεν we should read μεθι-
ὦμεν or μεθῶμεν, as Hermann
has already seen. The present
tense agrees better with réuvov-
which is in immediate
construction with it. The
pres. subj. occurs Phileb. 62
d: pe&io. It is surprising
that Dr. Badham should prefer
μετῇμεν to this. Cf. Soph. 267
b: τὸ δ᾽ ἄλλο πᾶν ἀφῶμεν pa-
λακισθέντες---μεθείσθω.
13. Τὸ συγκριτικὸν----διαιρετέον]
“You must again, Socrates,
divide the part which belongs
at once to combination and to
wool-working.”
TES,
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 97
8 \ o , 53 , ’ ”
702, ουργικον Apa μόριον, @ Σώκρατες, διαιρετέον, εἰπεὲρ
d
e “Ὁ / \ - « \ ΄
ἱκανῶς μέλλομεν τὴν προρρηθεῖσαν ὑφαντικὴν αἱ-
ρήσειν.
NE. 2Q. Οὐκοῦν χρή.
HE. Χρὴ μὲν οὖν" καὶ λέγωμέν γε αὐτῆς τὸ μὲν 5
5 , Ν \ ,
εἰναι OTPETTLKOV, TO δὲ συμπλεκτικον.
NE. 2Q. ἾΑρ᾽ οὖν μανθάνω ; δοκεῖς γάρ μοι τὸ
\ \ lal 2 / /
πέρι THY TOV στήμονος ἐργασίαν λέγειν στρέτπτικον.
HE. Οὐ μόνον γε, ἀλλὰ καὶ κρόκης. ἢ γένεσιν The warp,
57 / De) e /
aOTpopoy τινα αὐτῆς εὑρήσομεν ;
ΝΕ. ΣΏ. Οὐδαμώς.
EK A {7 δὴ Ν 7 € ’ : 57 \
μα 1... ἰορίσαι 1) Και TOUTOLV EKATEPOV lows yap
« ‘ yy 4 ,
0 διορισμὸς ἐγκαιρος ἂν σοι γένοιτο.
NE. ΣΩ. πῇ;
HE. Τῇδε. τῶν περὶ ξαντικὴν ἔργων μηκυνθέν τε x5
N Ν , , 5 ͵ 4
καὶ σχὸν πλάτος λέγομεν εἰναι καταγμὰ τι;
NE. ΣΏ. Ναί.
\
EE. Τούτου δὴ τὸ μὲν ἀτράκτῳ τε στραφὲν καὶ
Ἃ “ ip \ XN a
στερεὸν νῆμα γενόμενον στήμονα μὲν φάθι TO νῆμα,
8. τοῦ στήμονος] The woof
has not yet been mentioned.
Cf. supr.: ἐν στήμοσι.
9. ἀλλὰ καὶ κρόκης ] The
woof was more loosely spun:
hence, as well as for the rea-
son just given, (that no men-
tion had been made of the
woof,) Young Socrates’ over-
sight is more excusable.
γένεσιν---εὑρήσομεν 3] “ Shall
we find any mode of producing
it without twisting ?”
15. τῶν περὶ ξαντικὴν ἔργων
τι is to be supplied from below.
It often happens in these dia-
logues that a word is contrived
to “pay a double debt.” Cf. infr,
226 Ὁ: τοῦ σοφιστοῦ πέρι k.T.X.
τό. σχὸν πλάτος] Cf. supr. ec,
note on ἔσχεν.
κάταγμα] The word is used
by Sophocles, Trach. 695, and
the corresponding verb κατάγειν
occurs in Soph. 226 ὁ : ξαίνειν,
κατάγειν, κερκίζειν.
18. ἀτράκτῳ] It would ap-
pear from this that the woof
was spun by the hand without
the use of the spindle.
19. στερεὸν νῆμα] Probably
hinting at a derivation for
στημτ-ων, Quasi στερρονημ-.
στήμονα----στημονονητικὴν] The
sentence becomes irregular from
expansion. The Bodl. has στη-
povoyntixny with AZILEY.
* oO
and also
10 the woof,
are made
by twist-
ing. Hence
spinning
is distin-
guished
into two
branches :
the one
producing
a compact
and hard,
the other
a looser
and softer,
yarn—each
being pro-
portioned
to the other
with a view
to the final
result,
These dis-
tinctions
bring the
art of wool-
98
\
/
τικην.
NE. ΣΩ. Ὀρθῶς.
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
δ 3 \ \ \ ΄
EE. Ὅσα δέ γε αὖ τὴν μὲν συστροφὴν χαύνην
5 λαμβάνει, τῇ δὲ τοῦ στήμονος ἐμπλέζει πρὸς τὴν τῆς
/ « \ 5 \ / 5,
γνάψεως ὁλκὴν ἐμμέτρως τὴν μαλακότητα ἰσχει,
3, ΤΩ / \ \ / 34) We ΄
TQUT ἀρὰ κροκὴν μεν τὰ νηθέντα, τὴν δὲ ἐπιτεταγμε-
> o 5 ’, NIA νων. \ la
νὴν αὐτοῖς εἶναι τέχνην *TwWwa™ KpokovyTiKny φῶμεν.
NE. ΣΏ. ᾿Ορθότατα.
EE. Καὶ μὴν τό γε τῆς ὑφαντικῆς μέρος ὃ προὺ-
θέμεθα, παντί που δῆλον ἤδη.
I. αὐτὰ] Se. τὰ ταύτης τῆς
συστροφῆς (viz. τῆς νήσεωςῚ) ἔργα.
Vague neut. pl.: cf. Theset.
207 6.
4. χαύνην͵ῇ Used literally
— “ open” (from χαίνω). Cf.
Aristoph. Ay. 819; Passow,
ex. s. v-
5. τῇ δὲ Tov—itoye] “ But
have a softness proportioned
to the intertexture of the
woof, with a view to the de-
gree of force to be used in
dressing the cloth.” So the
gentle and brave natures are
combined with a view to their
profiting by the rubs which
give the finishing touches to
a state. Cf. infr. 310. The
reading of =, τοῦ κναφέως, de-
serves consideration.
8. χτινὰκ 7 MSS., τήν : Κὶ
om. Cf. Theset.172e: ubi vulg.
τὴν: four MSS., τινα. Soph.
218 c: τέχνη τις κτητικηῆ. Ib.
220 €: τριοδοντία τις. κροκο-
yntikn 18 ἅπαξ λεγόμενον, hence
the article is out of place.
10. μέρος ὃ πρ.] Se. τὸ τῆς
ἐρεᾶς ἐσθῆτος ὑφαντικόν.
τὸ γὰρ συγκριτικῆς
11. τὸ γὰρ---ὑφαντικήν] “ For
when one part of the composi-
tion contained in wool-working
creates a fabric by the direct
intertexture of warp and woof,
we call the whole result wool-
len cloth, and the art which
presides over this we call
weaving.” Lit. “ That portion
of the combining branch of
wool-working (which finds
place) when” &e. Cf. supr.
282 ¢. Or, perhaps, “ When
the branch of the art of com-
bination which is contained in
wool-working creates” ὅσο. In
the latter case the genitive is
either (1) gen. of apposition,
like τινὸς γένους in Soph. 257 6:
or (2) τῆς is genitive by attrac-
tion to συγκριτικῆς for τὸ, “ the
part of composition included
in wool-working :” or (3) there
may be a transition from the
former to the latter meaning :
1. 6, συγκριτικῆς is at first par-
titive, but as resumed with τῆς,
is the genitive of apposition.
But the meaning given above
is the most natural, and is not
;
\ ’ ’ \ / 3
τὴν δὲ ἀπευθύνουσαν αὐτὰ τέχνην εἶναι στημονονῆή- Ῥ. 48"
Ρ. 28
TIOAITIKO®. 99
a > / / “ » ‘ ,
τῆς ἐν ταλασιουργίᾳ μόριον ὅταν εὐθυπλοκίᾳ κρόκης
ἈΝ / 3 / vA ἊΝ \ \
καὶ στήμονος ἀπεργάζηται πλέγμα, TO μὲν πλεχθὲν
ξύμπαν ἐσθῆτα ἐρεᾶν, τὴν δὲ ἐπὶ τούτῳ τέχνην οὖσαν
ε /
προσαγορεύομεν ὑφαντικήν.
J
NE. 2Q. ᾿Ορθότατα.
[5 / ΄ 3 δ ΄
ΞΕ. Kiev’ τί δή ποτε οὖν οὐκ εὐθὺς ἀπεκρινάμεθα
\ 53 / / .
πλεκτικὴν εἶναι κρόκης καὶ στήμονος ὑφαντικήν,
\ 7 ,ὔ 7 /
ἀλλὰ περιήλθομεν ἐν κύκλῳ πάμπολλα διοριζόμενοι
»
μάτην:
NE. ΣΏ. Οὔκουν ἔμοιγε, ὦ
ῥηθέντων ἔδοξε ῥηθῆναι.
(ate 7 » \ lal
ξένε, μάτην οὐδὲν τῶν
/ , \ 7 3,
HEH. Kai θαυμαστὸν γε οὐδέν: ἀλλὰ τάχ᾽ ay,
5 ΄ , Ν ΝΥΝ , \ =
ὦ μακάριε, δόξειε. πρὸς δὴ TO νόσημα TO τοιοῦτον,
DY) y ΄, Ψ Ties, \ \
av apa πολλάκις ὕστερον ἐπίῃ--- θαυμαστὸν yap
7 YA “/ VY 7
οὐδέν--- λόγον ἀκουσόὸν τινα προσήκοντα περὶ TaVv-
ἴω , lol
τῶν τῶν τοιούτων ῥηθῆναι.
,
NE. 2Q. Λέγε μόνον.
— na , 3/ a ’ ε
EE. Πρῶτον τοίνυν ἴδωμεν πᾶσαν τήν τε ὑπερ-
Ni \ 37. ¢ \ 7 a
βολὴν Kat τὴν ἔλλειψιν, ἵνα κατὰ Aoyoy ἐπαινῶμεν
/ \ / a / 7
καὶ ψέγωμεν TA μακρότερα τοῦ δέοντος ἑκάστοτε
, Ν 3 / \ \ ΄
λεγόμενα καὶ τἀναντία περὶ tas τοιάσδε δια-
τριβας.
the less probable for being
somewhat involved. ἡ ἐν ταλα-
σιουργίᾳ συγκριτική τηιιϑὺ in this
case be supplied as the subject
of ἀπεργάζηται.
6. τί δή more] This raises
the whole question of the uti-
lity of the present method, for
which see General Introduc-
tion. Cf. also Gorg. 453, 454.
13. τὸ νόσημα τὸ T.| Se. τὸ
δόξαι ἄττα μάτην ῥηθῆναι.
14. πολλάκις] “ Haply, as it
very likely may.” Cf. Pheedr.
238 6: ἐὰν ἄρα πολλάκις νυμφό-
ληπτος προϊόντος τοῦ λόγου γένω-
μαι, μὴ θαυμάσῃς.
21. τἀναντία] 1. 6. βραχύτερα
τοῦ δέοντος.
περὶ τὰς τοιάσδε διατριβάς |
These words depend on ἐπαι-
νῶμεν καὶ ψέγωμεν as well as on
héyoueva. ‘That with refer-
ence to such interviews as this
we may apportion praise and
blame reasonably to the argu-
ments used in them.” (Cf.
Phedr, 234 e: Ti δέ: kat
* OQ 2
10
15
20
weaving
into clearer
light: as
that part
of the com-
position
included
in wool-
working in
which a
webismade
by the di-
rect inter-
texture of
woof and
warp.
But why
could we
not say at
once that
weaving
was the
intertex-
ture of
warp and
woot 7
Lest some
one should
think our
labourvain,
let us exa-
mine the
whole ques-
tion of
length and
brevity.
100 MAATQNO®
NE. 2Q. Οὐκοῦν χρή.
» al ΄ / ΄ ΄ 53
BE. Περὶ δὴ τούτων αὐτῶν ὁ λόγος ἡμῖν, οἶμαι,
p. 28:0}
/ > “ ᾿᾽
γιγνόμενος ὀρθῶς ἂν γίγνοιτο.
NE. ΣΩ. Τίνων ;
— / 7 Ν " εν 4
5 ΞΕ. Mnkous τε πέρι καὶ βραχύτητος καὶ maons
« ΄Ὁ 3 « 7 \
ὑπεροχῆς τε Kal ἐλλείψεως. ἡ yap Tov μετρητικὴ ἃ
περὶ πάντ᾽ ἐστὶ ταῦτα.
NE. 2Q. Ναί.
|
4 Ἁ , / lal A \
There are EE. Διέλωμεν τοίνυν αὐτὴν δύο μέρη" δεῖ yap δὴ
two kinds Nl eae ͵
of excess: 10 7TPOS ὃ νῦν σπεύδομεν.
one merel , δ \ , is
relative, z NE ΣΏ. Λέγοις ἂν τὴν διαίρεσιν omy.
the other
ΞΕ. Tyde τὸ μὲν κατὰ τὴν πρὸς ἄλληλα μεγέ-
ταύτῃ δεῖ ὑπ᾽ ἐμοῦ τε καὶ σοῦ τὸν
λόγον ἐπαινεθῆναι, ὡς τὰ δέοντα
εἰρηκότος τοῦ ποιητοῦ, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ
ἐκείνῃ μόνον, ὅτι σαφῆ καὶ στρογ-
γύλα κ-.τ.λ.
5. Μήκους τε πέρι----ἐλλείψεως |
For an application of the fol-
lowing idea, cf. Legg. 4,719 d:
οὔσης yap ταφῆς τῆς μὲν ὑπερβε-
βλημένης τῆς δὲ ἐλλειπούσης τῆς
δὲ μετρίας. Ib. 722 a: τὰ γὰρ
βέλτιστα, ἀλλ’ οὐ τὰ βραχύτατα
Tim, 82
a: τὸ τῶν νόσων ὅθεν ξυνίσταται,
δηλόν που καὶ παντί---γῆς πυρὸς
ὕδατός τε καὶ ἀέρος, τούτων 7
παρὰ φύσιν πλεονεξία καὶ ἔνδεια.
Theset. 172 6: καὶ διὰ μακρῶν ἢ
βραχέων μέλει οὐδὲν λέγειν, ἂν
μόνον τύχωσι τοῦ ὄντος.
6. ἡ γάρ mov] So the Bodl.,
with T=: cett. ἢ.
μετρητική] Cf. Phileb. sub
fin. The first mention of pe-
τρητικὴ is in the Protagoras,
where it has not been suffi-
ciently observed that the ‘utili-
tarian’ hypothesis is only used
as a means to bring Protagoras
οὐδὲ τὰ μήκη τιμητέον.
to acknowledge that virtue is
science. Thus expediency is
the point of transition from
the arbitrary to the just, as in
Theset. 178 τὸ ὠφέλιμον is the
point of transition from the
apparent to the real good.
9. δύο μέρη] For the accus.,
cf. Hdt. VI. 100: ἐφρόνεον δι-
φασίας ἰδέας.
10. πρὸς ὁ] I. 6.,πρὸς τοῦτο ὃ.
Cf. Theeet. 177 6: τοῦτο δέ που
σκῶμμ᾽ ἂν εἴη πρὸς ὃ λέγομεν.
II. ὅπῃ] Se. διαιρετέον. Cf.
Soph. did. Tyr. 926, Aj. 103,
874.
12. The words τὴν πρὸς ἄλ-
Ana μεγέθους καὶ σμικρότητος
κοινωνίαν are not free from
doubt. For they may mean
either “the mutual communion
of greatness and littleness,”
(where the article seems to be
required,) or “ the participa-
tion (of things) in greatness
and littleness relatively to one
another.” The latter is right ;
although the former meaning
may not unnaturally suggest
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 101
/ ‘ a
83. θους καὶ σμικρότητος κοινωνίαν, TO δὲ κατὰ τὴν τῆς — referenceto
the stand-
γενέσεως ἀναγκαίαν οὐσίαν. ard of what
a ΄ is Meet:
NE. 2Q. Ids λέγεις ; the More
oy lal -“ 4 d the
mE. ΓΑρ᾽ οὐ κατὰ φύσιν δοκεῖ σοι TO μεῖζον Too Much.
ἊΝ « vad ΄ / ΩΝ al ΄,
μηδενὸς ἑτέρου δεῖν μεῖζον λέγειν ἢ τοῦ ἐλάττονος, -
3, 3 “ / yf. A \
καὶ τοὔλαττον αὖ Tov μείζονος ἔλαττον, ἄλλου δὲ
μηδενός ;
NE. ΣΩ. "Ἐμοιγε.
eH. Ti δέ; τὸ τὴν
itself to a reader of the So-
phist, where the κοινωνία chiefly
spoken of is the mutual com-
munion of ideas. Compare
with this whole passage Phzedo
too, 101. Note that τὸ μεῖζον
-- τὸ μεγέθους κοινώνουν πρὸς τὸ
And τὸ ἔλαττον = τὸ
σμικρότητος κοινώνουν πρὸς τὸ
μεῖζον.
1. τὸ δὲ --- οὐσία"Ζζυ These
words are meant to be enig-
matical, like the definition
of rhetoric as πολιτικῆς μορίου
εἴδωλον in Gorg. 463 d, or as
τῆς τῶν ἐπῳδῶν τέχνης μόριον In
Euthyd.289e. (ἀνάπαυλα γὰρ τῆς
σπουδῆς γίγνεται ἐνίοτε ἡ παιδιά,
Phileb. 30 6.) But they are
less clearly explained in what
follows. They seem to be
connected with the assertion
that a standard is necessary
to the existence of the pro-
ductions of art (infr. 284 a,
b), and may probably be ren-
dered “ according to the other-
wise impossible existence of
production.” ἀναγκαίαν is then
used in the same sense as in
Rep. 2, 369 6: εἴη δ᾽ ἂν ἡ avay-
καιοτάτη πόλις ἐκ τεττάρων ἢ πέντε
ἀνδρῶν. “A city could not
ἔλαττον.
a / ΄
τοῦ μετρίου φύσιν ὑπερ-
possibly consist of less than
four or five men.” And γένεσις
is a general word for the ope-
rations of all the arts. Cf.
Soph. 235 8, Phileb. 27 a.
Compare Legg. 10, 9093 d:
κατὰ δύναμιν τὴν τῆς κοινῆς γενέ-
σεως. I.e. “So far as it was
possible that both should be
combined.” Translate, therefore
—‘“ TI divide the art of measur-
ing in the following way. One
part is determined by the fact
that things partake of great-
ness and smallness relatively
to each other: the other by
this, that without it the exist-
ence of production would be
impossible.” A similar verbal
use of the word οὐσία occurs
immediately below (e, οὐσίας)
and in p. 285 b: γένους τινὸς
οὐσίᾳ. The meaning of this
passage will appear more
clearly on comparing Phileb.
25d, 26 ὁ:
9. Ti δέ;--- ἀγαθοὶ ;| “ But,
again, shall we not say that
there is really found that
which exceeds or is exceeded
by the nature of the Meet, in
words, or, if so be, in deeds,
and that herein consists the
102
΄, ε / « δ τ τ "
βάλλον καὶ ὑπερβαλλόμενον ὑπ᾽ αὐτῆς ἐν λόγοις εἴτε p. 28}!
ΠΛΑΤΩΏΝΟΣ
Ν > »y Ye > 9 / « "7 ΄
και εν εργοις ap οὐκ GU λέξομεν ως OVTWS γίγνο-
a , ͵ ΄ ra cd Ἂς
μενον, ἐν ᾧ καὶ διαφέρουσι μάλιστα ἡμῶν οἵ τε κακοὶ
Ν ἘῸΝ /
καὶ οἱ ἀγαθοί ;
NE. ΣΏ. Paiverac.
\ 3, / > / Ν / o
GE. Aurras ἄρα ταῦτας οὐσίας καὶ κρίσεις τοῦ
val lal / 5 ,’ > e y+
μεγάλου Kal τοῦ σμικροῦ θετέον, ἀλλ᾽ οὐχ ὡς ἐφαμεν
3, Ν 3, vad 2 3. la) 7
ἄρτι πρὸς ἄλληλα μόνον δεῖν, ἀλλ᾽ ὥσπερ νῦν εἴρη-
ται μᾶλλον τὴν μὲν πρὸς ἄλληλα λεκτέον, τὴν δ᾽ αὖ
\ Ν ΄ὕ Ὄ δὲ “ bei; 3 OX
ιοπρὸς TO μέτριον. οὗ δὲ ἕνεκα, μαθεῖν ap av βου-
λοίμεθα ;
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Τί μήν:
chief mark of difference be-
tween bad men and good?”
Compare Rep. 1, 349, where
it is shewn that the good and
wise man does not aim at
“more” but at “what is
meet.”
“When workmen strive to do
better than well
They do confound their skill in
coyetousness.”
(9.) τοῦ μετρίου φύσιν] Com-
pare the θατέρου φύσις of the
Sophist, the ἀΐδιος φύσις of the
Philebus, and the ἐξαίφνης φύ-
σις of the Parmenides. The
word φύσις expresses the more
concrete or determinate con-
ception of the Idea.
6. Arras ἄρα---Θετέον] “ We
must therefore assume that
great and small exist and are
discerned in these two ways, in-
stead of following what we just
now said, that one must only
judge or speak of them (δεῖν
sc. κρίνειν implied in κρίσεις,
or perhaps λέγειν from supr.
d) relatively to each other :
instead of this we must speak
rather in accordance with what
has just fallen from us, of one
mode of their existence which
is mutually relative, and of an-
other which is relative to an
ideal standard.” The minute-
ness of the antithesis, ἀλλὰ----
οὐχ---ἀλλὰ, and the explicit re-
sumption of the first clause
with the second ἀλλά, make the
sentence rather tortuous, but
the meaning is clear. In the
words ἀλλὰ----δεῖν the chief pre-
dicate is absorbed, as frequently
happens, in the relative clause.
Cf. Phileb. 54 d: ὅπερ---εἶπον
— dev.
10. οὗ δ᾽ ἕνεκα] Plato’s dia-
lectical subtleties have gene-
rally an end beyond them-
selves. Here the end is the
vindication of the Arts, in
order to establish an Art of
Rule. Cf. Theet. 184 d: rod δέ
τοι ἕνεκα αὐτά σοι διακριβῶμαι.
βουλοίμεθα]! The first per-
son is used, as more gentle
than the second,
o_o SSG
84.
MOAITIKO®. 103
’ Ν \ o \ “- ,
HE. Ei πρὸς μηδὲν ἕτερον τὴν Tov μείζονος ἐάσει
Ἂ Ν 3 ᾽ 3, \ \ Ν
τις φύσιν ἢ πρὸς τοὔλαττον, οὐκ ἔσται ποτὲ πρὸς τὸ
/ 53 ,
μέτριον. ἢ yap;
NE. ΣΏΩ. Οὕτως.
μι > na \ / LEN Ν " 5 3
mE. Οὐκοῦν ras τέχνας τε αὑτὰς καὶ τάργα av-
a , τι “ ἐκ 7 ἴω / Ν Ἀ
τῶν ξύμπαντα * διολοῦμεν ὃ τούτῳ τῷ λόγῳ, καὶ δὴ
\ / al \ Χ « σ΄
καὶ τὴν ζητουμένην νῦν πολιτικὴν καὶ τὴν ῥηθεῖσαν
- Χ lal “ \ a
ὑφαντικὴν ἀφανιοῦμεν ; ἅπασαι yap αἱ τοιαῦταί που
ἘΝ lal / / Ν ay > « 5 ΕΝ
TO τοῦ μετρίου πλέον καὶ ἔλαττον οὐχ ὡς οὐκ OV
ΕΝ Ν A / ᾽ὔὕ
ἀλλ᾽ ὡς ὃν χαλεπὸν περὶ τὰς πράξεις παραφυλάτ-
N ip \ na , \ , 7,
τουσι, και TOUT@ δὴ T@ TpoT@ TO μέτρον σώζουσαι
Ζ, > \ \ Ne ΄
πάντα ἀγαθὰ καὶ καλὰ ἀπεργάζονται.
NE. ΣΟ. Τί μήν:
ἴω ὮΝ \ XN / 77
HE. Οὐκοῦν ἂν τὴν πολιτικὴν ἀφανίσωμεν, ἀπο-
1. ἐάσει] “ Will admit.” Sc.
εἶναι, to be supplied from ἔσται
infr., for which ellipse οἵ.
Thezet. 195 d: ἀμφότερά ye κιν-
δυνεύει ὁ λόγος οὐκ ἐάσειν (50. εἶναι
or αἱρεῖσθαι).
5. τὰς τέχνας τε] τε iS an-
swered by καὶ δὴ καὶ : αὐτὰς καὶ
τἄργα αὐτῶν ξύμπαντα is epexe-
getic of τέχνας.
6. * διολοῦμεν x | MSS. διε-
hodpev. The correction is due to
Bekker.
8. ἅπασαι yap |
Cf. Arist.
’ Eth. Nic. V. 4,12: ἐστι δὲ καὶ
ἐπὶ τῶν ἄλλων τέχνων τοῦτο. ἀν-
ηροῦντο γὰρ ἂν, εἰ μὴ ὁ ποιῶν καὶ
ὅσον καὶ οἷον K.T.X.
το. ὡς ὃν χαλεπὸν] “ As being
baneful.” Badham objects to
χαλεπὸν on the ground that
this adj. placed absolutely can
only mean “ difficult to ob-
tain :” and conjectures χαλεπῶς
— παραφυλάττουσ. But cf.
Symp. 176 ἃ: ὅτι χαλεπὸν τοῖς
ἀνθρώποις ἣ μεθη ἐστί. Ib. 204:
αὐτὸ γὰρ τοῦτο χαλεπὸν ἀμαθία.
Infr. 308 a: Χαλεπὸν εἶπες καὶ
δεινὸν πάθος. For παραφ. cf.
Lege. 4, 715 a.
The distinction between the
two kinds of μετρητικὴ is not
present in Protagoras, p. 357.
ὡς ὃν χαλεπὸν περὶ Tas πράξεις
παραφυλάττουσι] περὶ τὰς πραξ.
has a double reference to xan.
and παραφ., like περὶ τὰς---δια-
τριβάς supr. 283 6. Cf. Prot.
315 d: 6 τι--- πονηρὸν περὶ τὸ
σῶμα.
12. πάντα --- ἀπεργάζονται |
Compare the rhythm of Rep. 8,
546 C: πάντα προσήγορα καὶ ῥητὰ
πρὸς ἄλληλα ἀπέφηναν, and for
the expression, Legg. 4, 711 d,
6, 780 6: πάντα ἀγαθὰ ἀπερ-
γάζεται. Ib. 783 6. Tim. 50 6.
14. ἀφανίσωμεν] Cf. Soph.
240 C: ὃς ἂν ἐπιστήμην---ἀφανί-
ζων ἰσχυρίζηται περί τινος ὅπη-
ovy.
σι
Without
such a
standard
as is here
postulated,
the arts
and their
produc-
tions would
be destroy-
10 ed, or ra-
ther made
impossible.
For it is by
keeping
just mea-
surement
that the
arts per-
form their
functions,
Shall we
then, as in
defining
the Sophist
we forced
the point
that Not-
Being has
Being, now
demon-
strate that
excess 15
not merely
relative,
but has
sometimes
referenceto
a standard ?
Without
this the
art of
statesman-
ship must
perish with
all the
other arts.
And yet
104
pos ἡμῖν ἡ μετὰ τοῦτο ἔσται ζητησις τῆς βασιλικῆς p. 28}
ἐπιστήμης ;
ΝΕ. ΣΏ. Καὶ μάλα.
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
ho 53 Z 2 Ἂ a
&E. Tlorepov οὖν, καθάπερ ev τῷ σοφιστῇ προσ-
΄ 5 \ Ν 7 \ ‘ 5
βηναγκασαμεν εἶναι TO μὴ OV, ἐπειδὴ κατὰ τοῦτο
ὃ 7 ΕΣ δι « , “ Ν an Ν / 3
ιέφυγεν ἡμᾶς ὁ λόγος, οὕτω καὶ νῦν TO πλέον αὖ
ΑΛ \ ’ \
καὶ ἐλαττον HET PITA 7 POO AVAYKAOTEOV γίγνεσθαι μῆ
XN 37) » »"Ζ
πρὸς ἄλληλα μόνον ἀλλὰ καὶ πρὸς τὴν τοῦ μετρίου
ρ UY]
, > \ \ ω y+ x yf ?
γένεσιν ; ov yap On δυνατὸν ye οὔτε πολιτικὸν OUT
yy \ a Ν \ ΄ 5 ῇ 3
τοἄλλον τινὰ τῶν περὶ τὰς πράζεις ἐπιστήμονα ἄναμ-
φισβητήτως γεγονέναι τούτου μὴ ξυνομολογηθέντος.
NE. ΣΏ. Οὐκοῦν καὶ viv 6 τι μάλιστα χρὴ ταὐ-
Ν lad
TOV TTOLELV.
μααὶ ,ὔ 53 ᾽ὔ ϑι al \ a Sy
BE. Πλέον, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἔτι τοῦτο TO ἔργον ἢ
» la / 3 / / \ a rf
15 KELVO’ καί TOL κἀκείνου γε μεμνήμεθα TO μῆκος ὅσον
53 9 5. ἰξ , \ ἣν ΄ὔ N x A \
nv. ἀλλ᾽ ὑποτίθεσθαι μὲν TO TOLOVOE περὶ αὑτῶν καὶ
’
μάλα δίκαιον.
4. ἐν τῷ σοφιστῇ] ‘In treat-
ing of the Sophist.” A form
of reference like ἐν τῇ παραβολῇ
τῶν βίων, Phileb. 33 Ὁ : ἐν τοῦ
σκήπτρου τῇ παραδόσει. Thue.
I. το.
5. ἐπειδὴ ---λόγος] “ Because
at this point the question
eluded our grasp.”
8. mpos—mpos] There is a
slight variation in the mean-
ing of πρός. “ Not only in com-
parison with each other, but
with a view to the production
of that which is meet.” Τὸ
μέτριον is the result of the ap-
plication of μέτρον to produc-
tion.
9. γένεσιν] Cf. supr. 283 d.
The frequent use of the word
γένεσις, in the most general
sense, is one of the character-
istic points of diction which
connect this dialogue with
Philebus, Timzeus, and Laws.
7?
οὔτ᾽ ἄλλον τινὰ---- γεγονέναι]
Eight MSS. (including the
best) have τὸν, but τῶν is pro-
bably right ; because the ad-
verb seems to require that
ἐπιστήμονα should be taken
after γεγονέναι. “Neither the
Statesman nor any other artist
of those concerned with action
can be proved an artist beyond
dispute.” Cf. infr. 293 Ὁ:
ἀληθῶς ἐπιστήμονας Kat ov δο-
κοῦντας μόνον.
14. Πλέον----ἢ ᾿κεῖν]Ὶ There
is a further task indicated in
Lege. 4,719 6: σοὶ δ᾽ οὐχ οὕτω
ῥητέον, ὡς νῦν εἶπες μέτριον εἰπών,
ἀλλὰ τί τὸ μέτριον καὶ ὁπόσον
ῥητέον.
li,
ἱ
i 84.
ἃ
IIOAITIKOS.
NE, >Q. To ποῖον ;
105
μ- eA 7 - a
EE. Ὡς ποτε δεήσει τοῦ viv λεχθέντος πρὸς τὴν
2. Ὥς more δεήσει --- ἔσται
ποτέ] It has been thought that
this passage is seriously cor-
rupt: but when 6 τι (or ὃ) is
rendered as a pronoun, and
either καὶ introduced before
μεῖζον, with six MSS., or re read
for τι (or τέ τι, with Hermann),
the words as they stand give
a better meaning, and one
more suited to the context,
than any which it has been
proposed to substitute. “ That
some day there will be need
of that which has now been
mentioned” (the proof that
“more” and “less” are relative
to a standard of right measure
as well as to each other, supr.
b) “for the demonstration of the
highest problem of all.” (αὐτὸ
τἀκριβές is that absolute prin-
ciple which is essential to and
identical with perfection of
method. Cf. 1 Alc. 130 ἃ:
αὐτὸ τὸ αὐτό). “ But (to dwell
only on) what is fairly and
sufficiently shewn for our pre-
sent purpose, this argument,
T think, comes grandly to our
aid, that we must alike believe
in the existence of the arts,
and at the same time (ἅμα),
in a greater and less being
measured, not only in relation
to each other, but with a view
to the production of the mean.
For if the latter is true the
former is true (for ἐκεῖνα, cf.
Thezet. 207 d, αὐτὰ, and note),
and if the former exist, the
latter is the case ; and if either
is not, neither will ever be.”
This explanation is substan-
tially the same as Stallbaum’s.
It appears from the Philebus
that the absolute standard
(μέτρον) was closely allied in
Plato’s mind with Reason and
the Idea of Good. The de-
monstration of the “very ex-
actness of truth” is probably
reserved for the “ Philosophus.”
Even in the dialectical dia-
logues Plato complains of an
imperfect method. For 6 τι
almost = 6,=“ a thing which,”
cf. Gorg. 508 d: ὁ δὲ δὴ ἐμὸς,
ὅστις πολλάκις μὲν ἤδη εἴρηται
οὐδὲν δὲ κωλύει καὶ ἔτι λέγε-
σθαι οὔ φημι κιτλ. The in-
definite relative is used be-
cause the antecedent is only
determined as the sentence
proceeds. “ But as for that
which,” &e. And for the
clause in apposition, cf. Thezet.
158 Ὁ: ὃ πολλάκις. infr. 293 a.
A similar looseness of con-
struction occurs in Gorg. 4540:
ἀλλ᾽ ἵνα μὴ θαυμάσῃς--- ὅπερ yap
λέγω κιτιλ. For the notion of
ἀκρίβεια, cf. Rep. 4,435¢-e, 504.
Comp. esp. with πρὸς τὰ νῦν,
435 d:
ἀξίως. 504 b: τῶν---ἔμπροσθεν
ἑπομένας ἀποδείξει. For περὶ
αὐτὸ τἀκριβὲς, οἵ. Rep. 7, 525 a:
ἡ περὶ τὸ ἕν μάθησις. The Bod-
leian has δείκνυται, with most
other MSS.
The distinction here brought
out obviously resembles and
may have suggested that drawn
by Aristotle in Eth. Nic. 11.
between the absolute and re-
lative mean. But what is
absolute in Aristotle is rela-
tive in Plato. Aristotle’s
πλέον, ἔλαττον, αὐτὸ τὸ
τῶν τε προειρημένων
’
Κατ
* p
this 15. a
harder
piece of
work than
that.
We may
content
ourselves
for the pre-
sent with
the indirect
proof, that
if more and
less are not
thus mea-
sured with
reference
to what is
meet and
proper, no
art can
ever exist.
Hence we
may pro-
ceed to di-
vide the
art of mea-
surement,
making
one seg-
ment to
consist of
Io
106
7 EEN > > / δ \ Ν \ ΄σ
περὶ αὐτὸ τἀκριβὲς ἀπόδειξιν. O τι δὲ πρὸς τὰ νῦν p. 28
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
καλῶς καὶ ἱκανῶς δείκνυται,----δοκεῖ μοι βοηθεῖν με-
A ΄ ΄ @ « / c yy «. /
γαλοπρέπῶς ἡμῖν οὗτος ὁ Aoyos, ὡς apa NHynTEOoV
ε , \ , ΄, 5 Ν nel “
ὁμοίως τὰς τέχνας πάσας εἶναι [καὶ] μεῖζον τι ἅμα
3, - \ 5) / > \
5 καὶ ἔλαττον μετρεῖσθαι μὴ πρὸς ἄλληλα μόνον ἀλλὰ
ἈΝ Ἁ a / / \
καὶ πρὸς τὴν τοῦ μετρίου γένεσιν. τούτου TE γὰρ
7 a yf / “ μ ᾿ς, fa)
ὄντος ἐκεῖνα ἔστι κἀκείνων οὐσῶν ἐστι καὶ τοῦτο,
\ Ne, / / ’ / > al BA
μὴ δὲ OVTOS ποτέρου τουτῶν οὐδέτερον αὐτῶν EOTAL
/
TTOTE.
τοῦτο:
NE. ΣΩ. Τοῦτο μὲν ὀρθῶς" ἀλλὰ τί δὴ τὸ μετὰ
ΞΕ. Δῆλον ὅτι διαιροῖμεν ἂν τὴν μετρητικήν,
/ 3 / ΄ / 4 A \
καθάπερ ἐρρήθη, ταύτῃ δίχα τέμνοντες, ἕν μὲν τι-
͵ 3 Lal / 7 vA «ες ἢ Ν
θέντες αὑτῆς μοριον ξυμπάσας τέχνας, ὁποσαι τον
πρᾶγμα are here viewed as
πρὸς ἄλληλα μόνον. Aristotle’s
πρὸς ἡμᾶς is Plato’s πρὸς τὴν
τοῦ μετρίου γένεσιν, where the
appeal is to an absolute stand-
ard. This difference strikes
deeply into the character of
each philosophy. Vid. supr.
note on 259 b. It should be
noticed that Plato does not
speak of a mean in the former
case, but only of excess and
defect, and that Aristotle’s
subjective mean is connected
with his distinction between
virtue and the arts, which
must be regarded as a forward
step in ethical inquiry. Com-
pare Legg. 5, 757 a (where we
seem to find the point of tran-
sition from the Platonic to the
Aristotelian μεσότης) : τοῖς γὰρ
ἀνίσοις τὰ ἴσα ἄνισα γίγνοιτ᾽ ἂν,
εἰ μὴ τυγχάνοι τοῦ μέτρου.
_ 2, βοηθεῖν μεγαλοπρεπῶς] ΟἿ,
Theet. 168 c: μεγαλειότερον ἂν
τοῖς αὑτοῦ ἐβοήθησεν.
4. ὁμοίως — γένεσιν | Cf.
Pheedo 76 6: εἰς καλόν γε κατα-
φεύγει ὃ λόγος, εἰς τὸ ὁμοίως εἶναι
τήν τε ψυχὴν ἡμῶν πρὶν γενέσθαι
ἡμᾶς καὶ τὴν οὐσίαν ἣν δὴ σὺ νῦν
λέγεις. A direct proof of the
existence of such a standard is
still to seek. But it is enough
for our purpose that no art
can exist without it.
μεῖζόν τι ἅμα καὶ €datrov|
“ There is a greater and less
whose measure is not merely
relative.” 1 6: {Uhismisigone
kind of “ greater” and “less.”
But perhaps καὶ should be re-
jected and re read for τι. Cf.
Theet. 195 6: λιθωδές τε.
MSS. τι.
8. ποτέρου] “ Hither,” “ one
or other.” ;
13. ἕν μὲν μόριον----τὸ δ᾽ ἕτερον]
According to the reasoning of
this passage, the former are
clearly subordinate to the latter.
MOAITIKO?2.
107
84. ἀριθμὸν καὶ μήκη καὶ βάθη καὶ πλάτη καὶ ταχύτητας
SS > , a ‘\ eo « / Ἁ
πρὸς τοὐναντίον μετροῦσι, τὸ δὲ ἕτερον, ὁπόσαι πρὸς
‘\ / Ν ἈΝ / Ν XN Ν Ν Ν /
TO μέτριον καὶ TO πρέπον καὶ TOY καιρὸν καὶ TO δέον
Ν , ΠΕ / 5" s ΄ 3 / las > ΄
καὶ πανθ᾽ ὁπόσα εἰς TO μέσον ἀπῳκίσθη τῶν ἐσχά-
TOV.
NE. ΣΩ. Καὶ μέγα γ᾽ ἑκάτερον τμῆμα εἶπες, καὶ
πολὺ διαφέρον ἀλλήλοιν.
pF ἃ \ , 5 7 , ,
mE. Ὃ yap ἐνίοτε, ὦ Σώκρατες, οἰόμενοι δή τι
N ’ ΄ ΄
σοφὸν φραζειν πολλοὶ τῶν κομψῶν λέγουσιν, ὡς
a \ Z, XN / ~ >
Apa μετρητικὴ περὶ πάντ᾽ ἐστὶ τὰ γιγνόμενα, TOUT
SEN Ν a \ Ἃ ’ / \ \
αὐτὸ τὸ νῦν λεχθὲν ov τυγχάνει. μετρήσεως μὲν yap
if , fp « / 3,
δή Twa τρόπον πάνθ᾽ ὁπόσα evTexva peTeiAnhe διὰ
τ. ταχύτητας.] The Bodleian,
with AZIIS, has παχύτητας, οἵ.
infr. 299 6, where the intro-
duction of παχέσιν would be
more intelligible than of πα-
χύτητας here, but the MS. au-
thority is slight. The tran-
sition from solid quantity to
speed is less obvious and more
Platonic and philosophical than
that from depth and breadth
to thickness: and density
(which Stallbaum speaks of)
can hardly be in question. See
the connexion between solid
geometry and astronomy (as
φορὰν οὖσαν βάθους) in Rep. 7,
528 foll. See esp. 529 ἃ: τῶν
δ᾽ ἀληθινῶν πολὺ ἐνδεῖν, ἃς τὸ dv
τάχος καὶ ἡ οὖσα βραδυτὴς ἐν τῷ
ἀληθινῷ ἀριθμῷ καὶ πᾶσι τοῖς
ἀληθινοῖς σχήμασι φοράς τε πρὸς
ἄλληλα φέρεται καὶ τὰ ἐνόντα
φέρει. Where the distinction
of the two kinds of astronomy
is essentially analogous to that
suggested here. Also Legg. 7,
820 sqq., 10, 896 d: μήκους
σωμάτων καὶ πλάτους Kat βάθους
καὶ ῥώμης.
4. ἀπῳκίσθη] “Have removed
their abode”—as to a safe dis-
tance from evil. The word
seems to have been adopted
by the Pythagoreans. See
Mullach. Pyth. Fr. p. 537: ov
μακρὰν οὐδ᾽ ἀπῳκισμένως. (Tic-
phantus ap. Stob.)
Q. πολλοὶ τῶν κομψῶν] Evi-
dently the Pythagoreans, who
are spoken of in similar terms
in Gorg. 4030: κομψὸς ἀνήρ,
ἴσως Σικελός τις ἢ Ἰταλικός. Crat.
405 d: as
φασιν of κομψοὶ περὶ μουσικὴν
καὶ ἀστρονομίαν, ἁρμονίᾳ τινι πο-
λεῖ ἅμα πάντα.
II. τὸ νῦν λεχθέν] That there
could be no γένεσις without the
μέτριον, Which is the first em-
bodiment of τὸ μέτρον, ef.
Phileb. sub. fin. and 55 e.
12. διὰ δὲ τὸ μὴ----περιβάληται]
“ But from never having been
habituated to distinguish every
subject of inquiry according to
real forms, they not only jumble
indiscriminately, from a notion
that they resemble each other,
these widely different things,
τ! a
οτι TavuTa πάντα,
those arts
which mea-
sure the
size and
number of
objects in
relation to
each other,
and one of
those which
measure
with refer-
ence to a
mean or
standard.
This is the
truth which
underlies
the doc-
trine that
all is
measure-
ment.”
But, for
want of the
power of
distin-
guishing
kinds, the
authors of
this doc-
trine con-
fuse the
More and
the Too
Much, and
elsewhere
distinguish
inoppor-
tunely.
Whereas
one ought [9
not to rest
short of any
real dis-
tinction, or
108
ITAATOQNOS
ταῦτά τε τοσοῦτον διαφέροντα ξυμβάλλουσιν εὐθὺς
Ε] > Χ “ > / 3 ’
εἰς TAVTOV OMOLA νομίσαντες, καὶ τοὐναντίον αὖ τού-
a ° , \ - /
Tov δρῶσιν, ἕτερα ov κατὰ μέρη διαιροῦντες, δέον,
“ \ Ν ΄ a / ”
SoTay μὲν THY τῶν πολλῶν τις πρότερον αἰσθηται
/ \ / Ν Ἂ » » “κ᾿ \
κοινωνίαν, μὴ προαφίστασθαι πρὶν ἂν ἐν αὐτῇ Tas
ὃ Ν 10 / « ,ὔ > 16 “ Ν
ιαφορᾶς l ἢ σπασαᾶς, οποσαίπερ εν εἰθεσι κεινται, TAS
\ 5 \ ᾽ / “ ᾽ ,
δὲ αὖ παντοδαπὰς ἀνομοιότητας, ὅταν ev πλήθεσιν
ὀφθῶσι, μὴ δυνατὸν εἶναι δυσωπούμενον παύεσθαι,
Ἂ ΄ Ν vad > ‘ a ε /
πρὶν ἂν ξύμπαντα τὰ οἰκεῖα ἐντὸς μιᾶς ὁμοιότητος
Y / Χ > / ΄ “ \
ἔρξας γένους τινὸς οὐσίᾳ περιβάληται. ταῦτα μεν
5 « a U , Ν Ν “ 3 /
οὖν ἱκανῶς περι TE τούτων καὶ περὶ τῶν ἐλλείψεων
but fall into the converse error
of distinguishing other things
not according to their real di-
visions: whereas the right way
is, when one has first perceived
a common nature running
through a great variety of
things, not to desist till one
has seen all the differences
which subsist within that na-
ture, and which constitute dis-
tinct kinds, and on the other
hand, not to be able to look
contentedly upon the endless
diversity which has been seen
in a multitude of objects, until
one has brought all kindred
objects within the pale of a
single resemblance, and invest-
ed them with the real nature
of a single kind.”
I. τὸ μὴ κατ᾽ εἴδη] Cf. Rep.
5, 454 a, Pheedr. 265 6.
5. ὅταν τις τῶν
κοινωνίαν ͵ἢὴἠ This “ divinatio”
seems always to be assumed as
the first step in a dialectical
inquiry. Cf. Phileb. 16 ἃ: μίαν
5» , A x c ’ la
ἰδέαν περὶ παντὸς ἑκάστοτε θεμέ-
πολλῶν ----
κ ΄ 7
vous ζητεῖν" εὑρήσειν γὰρ ἔνουσαν.
7. ὁπόσαιπερΊ,͵Ἡ This is the
same thing which is expressed
in the Philebus (16 d, e) in the
words μέχριπερ ἂν τὸ κατ᾽ ἀρχὰς
ἕν μὴ ὅτι ἕν καὶ πολλὰ καὶ ἄπειρά
ἐστι μόνον ton τις, ἀλλὰ καὶ ὁπόσα.
ἐν εἴδεσι κεῖνται) Cf. Rep.
8, 544 ἃ: ἥτις καὶ ἐν εἴδει δια-
φανεῖ τινι κεῖται.
8. ἐν πλήθεσιν] “ Numbers,”
or “multitudes,” he cannot say
classes because they are not
yet classified. Cf. Theet.157 ¢:
ᾧ δὴ ἀθροίσματι ἄνθρωπόν τε τί-
θενται καὶ λίθον x.7.r., and the
ὄγκοι of the Parmenides, 164, 5.
This process corresponds to
that described in Phileb.18 a—d.
9. δυσωπούμενον] “ Looking
upon with discomfort or dis-
like.” Cf. infr. 291 b, e.
11. γένους τινὸς οὐσίᾳ] “ With
the reality (dasein) of a genus.”
οὐσία is used in nearly the
same sense as supra 284 bis.
Ξ- τῷ γένος τι εἰναι.
The latter half of this de-
scription (from τὰς δὲ αὖ) is the
opposite of the second error
mentioned above.
\ \ \ > 5, / ~ :
δὲ τὸ μὴ κατ᾽ εἴδη συνειθίσθαι σκοπεῖν διαιρουμένους p. 28 β
‘|
ΠΟΛΙΓΙΚΟΣ.
109
] i ᾿ “
85. καὶ ὑπερβολῶν εἰρήσθω: φυλάττωμεν δὲ μόνον ὅτι
’ὔ » > na na
α Ovo γένη περὶ αὐτὰ ἐξεύρηται τῆς μετρητικῆς Kal
ad φαμεν αὖτ᾽ εἶναι μεμνώμεθα.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Μεμνησόμεθα.
Ν al \ ἈΝ "
ΞΕ). Μετὰ τοῦτον δὴ τὸν λόγον ἕτερον προσδε-
/, ἐν > ΄σ a , Ν Ν ΄
ξώμεθα πέρι αὐτῶν Τε Τῶν ζητουμένων και πέρι TT a—
“ » - lol / a
ons τῆς ἐν τοῖς τοιοῖσδε λόγοις διατριβῆς.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
_E E7 τ eon Ν Ν ΄,
myth. He τις ἀνέροιτο ἡμᾶς τὴν πέρι γραμματὰα
,ὔ a , « , « aA
συνουσιὰν TOY μανθανοντων, OTTOTOVY TLS Οοτιουν
y+ > a 77 3 Ν i) 7] > an
ὄνομα ἐρωτηθῇ τίνων ἐστὶ γραμμάτων, πότερον αὐτῷ
7 a / δὰ [4 CAEN oS a
τότε φώμεν γίγνεσθαι τὴν ζήτησιν ἑνὸς ἕνεκα μᾶλλον
a 7 3 fod 7, Ν ,
τοῦ προβληθέντος ἢ τοῦ περὶ πάντα τὰ προβαλλό-
μενα γραμματικωτέρῳ γίγνεσθαι ;
NE. ΣΏ. Δῆλον ὅτι τοῦ περὶ ἅπαντα.
BE. Τί δ᾽ αὖ νῦν ἡμῖν ἡ περὶ τοῦ πολιτικοῦ
/ “ἶἤ » a / 7 lal
Cytnow ; €vexa αὐτοῦ τούτου προβέβληται μᾶλ-
1. φυλάττωμεν] Let us fix
this in our minds. Cf. infr.
207 ἃ: μέχριπερ ἂν ἕν μέγα φυ-
λάττωσιν κοτιλ.
9. Et τις--ογίγνεσθαι :] “Were
one to ask us of the intercourse
of students in grammar (with
their teacher), when one of
them is asked to spell a word,
whether shall we say that the
inquiry in which he then en-
gages is for the sake of the
single problem thus set before
him, or for the sake of be-
coming more expert in all
orthographical problems ?”
The question which is the
object of ἀνέροιτο is to be
sought in πότερον φῶμεν k.t.d.,
which is the apodosis of the
sentence: just as when part
of a relative clause becomes
absorbed in the antecedent.
“ If we were asked of the in-
tercourse of learners with their
teachers about their letters,
when one of them is asked of
what letters any noun is com-
posed, whether shall we say
that his study at such a time
is for the sake of the parti-
cular question, or for the sake
of his becoming more expert
in such subjects generally ?”
Compare the structure of Soph.
237 b: εἰ σπουδῆ δέοι x.7.X.
10. συνουσίαν is used in some-
thing of a technical sense.
16. Ti δ᾽ αὖ] For the punce-
tuation, ef. Phedr. 234 d: ri
σοι φαίνεται----ὁ λόγος ; οὐχ ὑπερ-
φυῶς --- εἰρῆσθαι ;
5
10
15
omit any
real gene-
ralization.
One more
observation
by the way.
Gramma-
tical ques-
tions have
an end be-
yond them-
selves,
that of
making
eramma-
rians. So
the present
inquiry has
an end be-
yond itself,
that of
making us
better dia-
lecticians,
Still less is
such an art
as weaving
to be fol-
lowed for
its own
sake. But
(though
few are
aware of
this) the
highest
things have
no sensible
mean
through
which they
can be ex-
plained, but
areshadow-
ed forth by
110
MAATOQNOZ
δ ΄ , ᾿ / /
Aov ἢ τοῦ περὶ πάντα διαλεκτικωτέροις γίγνε- P-
σθαι ;
NE. ΣΏΩ. Καὶ τοῦτο δῆλον ὅτι τοῦ περὶ πάντα.
ΞΕ. Ἦ που τὸν τῆς ὑφαντικῆς γε λόγον αὐτῆς
/ a / > Ν Ὁ ᾽ / ΄σ yy
sTavTns ἕνεκα θηρεύειν οὐδεὶς av eOeAnoee νοῦν ἔχων.
> ᾽ δὶ \ 7 7 “ la \ “
ard, οἰμαι, τοὺς πλείστους λέληθεν OTL τοῖς μεν τῶν
Ε « , ἘΠ ΡΞ / f /
ὄντων ῥᾳδίως καταμαθεῖν Ἑαἰσθηταί ἢ τινες ὁμοιότητες
, aA >a\ Ων A cd > lad
πεφύκασιν, as οὐδὲν χαλέπον δηλοῦν, ὅταν αὑτῶν τις
βουληθῇ τῷ λό ἰτοῦ ' ἡ μετὰ πρα-
ουλησῃ τῷ λογον αἰτουντι πέρι TOV μὴ μετὰ TPA
τογμάτων ἀλλὰ χωρὶς λόγου ῥᾳδίως ἐνδείξασθαι" τοῖς
> 3 / 3 Ν ΄ > y 2)
δ᾽ αὖ μέγιστοις οὔὐσι και τιμιωτατοιῖς οὐκ ἐστιν εἴδω-
> \ \ \ 5 > ᾽ lal
λον οὐδὲν πρὸς τοὺς ἀνθρώπους εἰργασμένον ἐναργῶς,
οὗ δειχθέντος τὴν τοῦ πυνθανομένου ψυχὴν ὃ βουλό-
> ΄ Ν lon > , /
μενος ἀποπληρῶσαι, πρὸς τῶν αἰσθησεῶν τινα προσ-
4. Ἦ mov] This is not really
inconsistent with Soph. 227 a:
τῇ τῶν λόγων μεθόδῳ σπογγιστι-
κῆς ἢ φαρμακοποσίας οὐδὲν ἧττον
οὐδέ τι μᾶλλον τυγχάνει μέλον.
In both cases it is the method
alone which gives importance
to the particular subject.
6. ἀλλ᾽, οἶμαι, ---- λεγόμενα |
“ But I think that it has es-
caped most men, that, while
some things are endued with
resemblances which are sensi-
ble, and therefore easily known,
which there is no difficulty in
shewing, when one wishes to
point out any of them (re un-
derstood from περί τοῦ) to any
one who asks about it, with
no trouble, but easily, without
argument, — there are also
things, and those the greatest,
and of priceless worth, which
have no image wrought so as
to strike human perceptions,
by pointing to which he who
would content the mind of
an inquirer, shall fully satisfy
him by imprinting this on
some one of his _ senses.
Wherefore one ought to study
to be able to give and receive
a rational account of every-
thing, for things bodiless, which
are the fairest and the greatest
things, for the sake of which
all that is now said is spoken,
are made clearly manifest by
reason alone.” Cf. supr. 277 ¢.
7. MSS. αἰσθητικαὶ.
10. ῥᾳδίως καταμαθεῖν] Per-
haps padios should be read,
with Hermann and Badham.
Badham further conjectures ais
οὐδὲν χαλεπὸν 6 TL ἂν αὐτῶν τις
βουληθῇ τῷ Δ. α.---ἐνδείξασθαι.
But the whole sentence is la-
boured and pleonastic, so that
there is little cause for omit-
ting an inconvenient word.
.....................ὕ0.....-..ὕ....ὕὅὄὕᾧ
Ῥ. 28
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 11]
86. αρμόττων, ἱκανῶς πληρώσει. διὸ δεῖ μελετᾷν λόγον
Cle \ 3 A \ 7 A \
ἑκάστου δυνατὸν εἶναι δοῦναι καὶ. δέξασθαι: τὰ yap
> ’ὔ / ΒΥ Ν / / /
ἀσώματα, κάλλιστα OVTA καὶ μέγιστα, Aoy@ μονον,
37 A > \ “ /, \ oa
ἄλλῳ δὲ οὐδενὶ σαφῶς δείκνυται, τούτων δὲ ἕνεκα
’ὔ’ > > Ν A a / Cus eo) lad > ΄
TaVT ἐστὶ τὰ νῦν λεγομενα. ρᾷων δ᾽ ἐν τοῖς €AaT-
« / Ἂς ͵ lal Ὁ Ν \
Tool ἢ μελέτη παντὸς πέρι μᾶλλον ἢ περὶ TA
/
μείζω.
4 5 53
NE. ΣΩ. Καλλιστ᾽ εἶπες.
- 7 ͵ > « a Ass
HE. Ὧν τοίνυν χάριν ἅπανθ᾽ ἡμῖν ταῦτ᾽ ἐρρήθη
‘ / a
περὶ τούτων, μνησθῶμεν.
NE. ΣΩ. Τώων ;
ἘΠῚ T , - > v4 OLS oS fad
i. Lavrns τε οὐχ ἥκιστα αὑτῆς EVEKA TIS
δυσχερείας, ἣν Ἱπερὶ τὴν μακρολογίαν τὴν περὶ
τὴν ὑφαντικὴν ἀπεδεξάμεθα δυσχερῶς, καὶ τὴν περὶ
5. ῥάων--μᾶλλον ἢ] Cf. Pro-
tag. 317 6 : καὶ εὐλάβειαν ταύτην
οἶμαι βελτίω ἐκείνης εἶναι, τὸ ὁμο-
λογεῖν μᾶλλον ἢ ἔξαρνον εἶναι.
12. Ταύτης τε---λέγοιμεν] The
construction is obscured by
the attraction of the latter
part of the sentence into the
relative clause. Strict syntax
would require ταύτης te—xal
τῆς (δυσχερείας) περὶ τὴν (μακρο-
λογίαν) περὶ τὴν τοῦ παντὸς K.T.X.:
instead of which the latter
clause, with what follows, is
made to depend on ἀπεδεξάμεθα
δυσχερῶς, with which the re-
mainder of the sentence, ἐννοοῦν-
τες- καὶ- -ἐπεπλήξαμεν k.T.A., 15
also connected.
3. ἣν Ὑ περὶ ἡ τὴν μακρολο-
γίαν] Hermann suggests ἥνπερ.
Wagner, Rheinische Museum,
vol. xii. (1857) p. 309, prefers
ἧπερ. This avoids the collo-
cation of the two accusatives,
which is the objection to ἥνπερ.
But ἣν is unobjectionable. ΟἿ,
Soph. 264 b: τὴν προσδοκίαν ἣν
ἐφοβήθημεν, and note. Gore.
509 6: ταύτην εἶναι τὴν αἱσ-
χίστην βοήθειαν μὴ δύνασθαι βυ-
Also Legg. 2, 666 Ὁ:
τὴν ----παιδιὰν, ἣν τοῖς ἀνθρώποις
ἐπίκουρον τῆς τοῦ γήρως αὐστηρό-
τῆτος ἐδωρήσατο τὸν οἶνον φάρ-
μακον. And περὶ also may be
defended if we suppose ἀπε-
δεξάμεθα δυσχερῶς (SC. τὴν μακ-
ρολογίαν) to be substituted for
ἐδυσχεράναμεν. Such a change
in the form of a sentence will
not astonish the attentive stu-
dent of these dialogues.
Plato here seems determined
to “ bestow all his tediousness”
on his critics, whoever they
were.
μακρολογίαν͵͵ “ Lengthiness
in argument,” not in speech, as
in Gorg. 461 d, alib.
14. ἀπεδεξάμεθα δυσχερῶς (se.
τὴν μακρολογίαν) is unexpectedly
ηθεῖν.
σι
analogies
which can
only be ex-
pressed in
argument.
Let us
recal the
Io motive of
this digres-
sion. It
was chiefly
to calm the
disquiet
which we
felt at the
length to
which our
remarks on
weaving,as
well as the
mythwhich
preceded,
and the
discussion
on the na-
ture of the
Sophist,had
been spun:
by shewing
that length
was not
lengthiness
unless ex-
ceeding
what is
meet.
112
\ a Ν > Ἀ ΄ ΄
τὴν τοῦ παντὸς ἀνείλιξιν καὶ τὴν τοῦ σοφιστοῦ Ρ. 8}.
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
/ “ a \ JA > > a [2 37
πέρι τῆς τοῦ μὴ ὄντος οὐσίας, ἐννοοῦντες ὡς ἔσχε
oe / a Pa Jes , \ a > ,
μῆκος πλέον, Kal ἐπὶ τούτοις On πᾶσιν ἐπεπλήξαμεν
Caw ΕἸ a a ‘
ἡμῖν αὐτοῖς, δείσαντες μὴ περίεργα ἅμα καὶ μακρὰ
/ σὰ 9 5 » a \ / a
5 λέγοιμεν. iv οὖν εἰσαῦθις μηδὲν πασχωμεν τοιου--
/ ov / \ / lal > lal
TOV, τούτων ἕνεκα πάντων τὰ πρόσθεν νῷν εἰρῆσθαι
φάθι.
NE. >Q. Ταῦτ᾽ ἐσται.
λέγε ἑξῆς μόνον.
EE. Λέγω τοίνυν ὅτι χρὴ δὴ μεμνημένους ἐμὲ καὶ
A ΄ ΄- ’ὔ / / e ,
100€ τῶν νῦν εἰρημένων TOV TE Ψόγον ἑκάστοτε καὶ
yy ω , ad “4 - a»
ἔπαινον ποιεῖσθαι βραχυτητος apa καὶ μήκους ὧν ἂν
ἀεὶ πέρι λέγωμεν, μὴ πρὸς ἄλληλα τὰ μήκη κρί-
ΕἸ \ a “ / a /
νοντες, ἀλλὰ κατὰ TO τῆς μετρητικὴς μέρος, O TOTE
By ΕΞ a ἈΝ \ 7
ἐφαμεν δεῖν μεμνῆσθαι, πρὸς τὸ πρέπον.
ΝΕ. 50. Ὀρθῶς.
ἘΠῚ O ᾽ / ἡδὲ Ν a ψ + ΝΥ
ey th. U TOLVVY OVOE TPOS ΤΟῦΤΟ TTAVTA. οὔτέ γὰρ
substituted for ἐδυσχεράναμεν :
hence the introduction οἵ
περί.
I. ἀνείλιξιν |] Supr. 269 6.
τὴν (SC. μακρολογίαν).
τοῦ σοφιστοῦ πέρι] It is
better to take πέρι thus with
τοῦ σοφιστοῦ, in which case it
can easily be resumed with the
explanatory words τῆς τοῦ μὴ
ὄντος οὐσίας. Otherwise the
preceding dialogue would be
referred to as ὁ σοφιστής, a
form of reference which has
no parallel in Plato. Cf. supr.
284 Ὁ: ἐν τῷ σοφιστῇ, and
note.
6. τούτων --- πάντων͵] “‘ The
above-mentioned and all simi-
lar arguments.”’
13. τότε] Supr. 284, 255.
14. μεμνῆσθαι) One is at first
sight inclined to read perpei-
σθαι, after the conjecture of
Schleiermacher, and to sup-
pose that an error has grown
out of μνησθῶμεν, μεμνημένους
above. But the text is seen
to be perfectly sound when a
comma is placed after μεμνῆ-
σθαι, and πρὸς τὸ πρέπον is thus
joined with τὰ μήκη κρίνοντες.
The opening of the next speech
favours this view. And in
support of μεμνῆσθαι, ef. supr.
284 6: ὑποτίθεσθαι ὥς ποτε δε-
ήσει τοῦ νῦν λεχθέντος. 285 Ὁ:
φυλάττωμεν .---ὅτε δύο γένη τῆς
μετρητικῆς ----καὶ ἅ φαμεν αὐτὰς
εἶναι μεμνώμεθα. Ν. Σ. μεμνησό-
μεθα.
16. Οὐ τοίνυν οὐδὲ πρὸς τοῦτο
πάντα] “Νού, however, even
with a view to this in all
things. The standard by which
arguments are to be measured
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
118
86. πρὸς τὴν ἡδονὴν μήκους ἁρμόττοντος οὐδὲν προσδεη-
΄ \ > " ΄, , , 5 \
σομεθα, πλὴν εἰ μὴ πάρεργον TL TO TE αὖ πρὸς
δ a / / e » en Ν
τὴν τοῦ προβληθέντος CTTW, WS ἂν ρᾷστα Kat
΄ὔ “ 7 > ᾽ » lal « Ἧ
τάχιστα εὕροιμεν, δεύτερον ἀλλ᾽ οὐ πρῶτον ὁ λόγος
’ lal / \ \ / Ν a
ἀγαπᾷν παραγγέλλει, πολὺ δὲ μάλιστα καὶ πρῶτον 5
\ ΄, TUE a = > » \ 5
τὴν μέθοδον αὐτὴν τιμᾷν τοῦ κατ᾽ εἰδὴ δυνατὸν εἶναι
διαιρεῖν, καὶ δὴ καὶ λόγον, ἄν τε παμμήκης λεχθεὶς
is that which is becoming
or suitable, not with a view
to pleasure, or persuasion,
or gracefulness, but to the
awakening of reason and the
furtherance of truth.” Cf.
Lege. 2, 655 ὁ: λέγουσί ye οἱ
πλεῖστοι μουσικῆς ὀρθότητα εἶναι
τὴν ἡδονὴν ταῖς ψυχαῖς πορίζουσαν
δύναμιν" ἀλλὰ τοῦτο μὲν οὔτε ἀν-
εκτὸν οὔτε ὅσιον τὸ παράπαν φθέγ-
γεσθαι. We might be disposed
to conjecture πάντῃ, but πάντα
is used elsewhere adverbially.
Soph. 233 a: ὡς εἰσὶ πάντα πάν-
τῶν αὐτοὶ σοφώτατοι.
(16.) οὔτε γὰρ---λόγων] “ For
first we shall have no need
of a length that is suitable
for pleasure, unless merely by
the way: and our argument
further enjoins that we esteem
only as of secondary import-
ance that which helps investi-
gation and facilitates and
hastens discovery, but that
we should prize by far most
highly, and in the first place,
the method itself and the
power of dividing according
to the real species, and feel
an interest in that discourse
which makes the hearer more
inventive, whether it be brief
or interminable alike: more-
over, that the man who blames
lengthiness (ἀδολεσχίαν) in this
*
kind of intercourse, and is in-
tolerant of circuitous digres-
sions, ought not so quickly
and all at once to have done
when he has blamed the dis-
course as long, but should con-
sider that it is his duty to shew
further that a shorter one would
have made those conversing
better reasoners, and would
have improyed their power of
finding a mode of declaring
realities by speech: all other
blames and praises, made with
reference to any other stand-
ard, our argument bids us dis-
regard and to seem deaf to any
such remarks.”
I. μήκους ἁρμόττοντος] Cf.
Phileb. 36 d: χαίρειν δεῖ λέγειν
τοῖς ἄλλους μήκεσιν ἢ καὶ ὁτῳοῦν
τῶν παρὰ τὸ προσῆκον λεγομένων.
Ib. 28d. Rep. 5; 450}, Legg.
1, 640 a, Ὁ
2. πλὴν εἰ μὴ See Lobeck
ad Phrynich. p. 459, who ad-
duces Ar. de An. I. 3: πλὴν εἰ
μὴ κατὰ συμβεβηκός. The greater
frequency of the expression in
later Greek throws some doubt
on the few instances of it in
Attie Greek which, like the pre-
sent, have full MS. authority.
τό τε] Se. μῆκος ἅρμοττον.
6. τὴν μέθοδον ---τοῦ----δυνατὸν
εἶναι] Cf. Ale. 115 b: κατὰ τὴν
ἐπιχείρησιν τοῦ σῶσαι ods ἔδει,
Q
And yet
not “meet”
for plea-
sure, nor
even for
discovery,
but for the
end of de-
veloping
the dialec-
tical me-
thod and
of making
men inven-
tive rea-
soners,
To return,
and apply
our ex-
ample.
Kingeraft
has been
distin-
guished
from other
arts of tend-
ing ani-
mals in
herds.
But there
remain
those arts,
both opera-
tive and
assistant,
which are
found
within the
state.
114
Ν » / ε / > /
TOV GQKOVOQAVTA E€UPETLKWMTEPOV ἀπεργάζηται,
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ὃ (Ce ὶ τῷ μή δὲν ἀγανακτεῖν. ἄν τ᾽ αὖ
σπουδάζειν καὶ τῷ μήκει μηδὲν ἄγ .
37
/ «
βραχύτερος, ὡσαύτως" ἔτι
3 Ν / Ν
δ᾽ αὖ πρὸς τούτοις τὸν
Ν Ν / / / /
περὶ Tas τοιάσδε συνουσίας ψέγοντα λόγων μηκη
\ / / > > / σ
skal τὰς ἐν κύκλῳ περιόδους οὐκ ἀποδεχόμενον, OTL
\ Ν ΄ \ , \ δ᾽ Ov ὕτω
χρὴ TOV TOLOVTOV μὴ πάνυ τάαάχυ PHO EVUUS OV
« \ \ / 3
μεθιέναι ψέξαντα μόνον ὡς μακρὰ τὰ λεχθέντα, ἀλλὰ
> rn / >
καὶ προσαποφαίνειν οἴεσθαι δεῖν ws βραχύτερα av
/ \ / ΄ /
VYEVOMEVA TOVS DVVOVTAS ἀπειργάζετο διαλεκτικωτε-
ω “ 57 / vA ε /
10 pous καὶ τῆς τῶν ὄντων λογῳ δηλώσεως εὑρετικωτε-
lal \ 32) Ν 5, 357 / Ν
ρους, τῶν δὲ ἄλλων καὶ πρὸς GAN ἀττα ψόγων καὶ
\ / \ Ν ΄ > ,
ἐπαίνων μηδὲν φροντίζειν μηδὲ TO παράπαν ἀκούειν
΄ a / /
δοκεῖν τῶν τοιούτων λόγων.
ἊΝ / \ vA
Kat τούτων pev aris,
/ lal N \ \ Χ Ἂ
εἰ καὶ σοὶ ταύτῃ ξυνδοκεῖ: πρὸς δὲ δὴ τὸν πολιτικὸν
ροντες τὸ παράδειγμα.
3, ᾽ὔ a ς ΄σ > lal 7
15 ἴωμεν πάλιν, τῆς προρρηθείσης ὑφαντικῆς αὐτῷ φέ-
a 3 > aA
NE. ΣΏ. Καλῶς εἶπες, καὶ ποιῶμεν ἃ λέγεις.
an / 5 a « x σ
EE. Οὐκοῦν ἀπὸ γε τῶν πολλῶν ὁ βασιλεὺς ὅσαι
I. τοῦτον σπουδάζειν] This
construction appears in Gorg.
500 6: ov τί ἂν μᾶλλον σπουδά-
σειέ τις, aS well as in Soph.
251 0, 259 c. Compare Legg.
7,792 6: ὁ μὲν yap ἐμὸς δὴ
λόγος οὔθ᾽ ἡδονάς φησι δεῖν διώκειν
τὸν ὀρθὸν βίον οὔτ᾽ αὖ τὸ παράπαν
φεύγειν τὰς λύπας, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτὸ
ἀσπάζεσθαι τὸ μέσον, ὃ νῦν δὴ
προσεῖπον ὡς ἵλεων ὀνομάσας.
2. ἄν τ᾿ αὖ βραχύτερος] Se.
Aex Geis.
5. τὸν----ψέγοντα] We seem to
detect in these words an apolo-
getic tone. Comp. Gorg. 453 b.
5. ὅτι χρὴ τὸν τοιοῦτον] These
words depend immediately on
ὁ λόγος παραγγέλλει.
6. πάνυ ταχὺ] Bodl. πανταχυ.
7. μεθιέναι] Cf. Phileb. τό 6:
εἰς τὸ ἄπειρον μεθέντα χαίρειν ἐᾷν.
10. τῆς---δηλώσεως}] This is
probably a genitive of respect.
λόγῳ depends on the verbal
meaning in δηλώσεως.
12. φροντίζειν again depends
on παραγγέλλει.
15. αὐτῷ φέροντες τὸ παρά-
δειγμα] “Applying to him
( = ἐπιφέροντες) our example.”
Cf. supr. 278 e. The dative
is probably dativus commodi,
“Bringing for his benefit.”
Hence there is perhaps a touch
of liveliness in the omission of
the preposition.
18. Οὐκοῦν ἀπὸ ye TOV πολλῶν]
Supr. 276 a.
ὅσαι ξύννομοι]
Se.
τέχναι.
Se
ee
τοῦτον p. 2k
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 115
287. ξύννομοι, μᾶλλον δὲ ἀπὸ πασῶν τῶν περὶ τὰς ἀγέλας
διακεχώρισται. λοιπαὶ δέ, φαμέν, αἱ κατὰ πόλιν αὐ-
τὴν τῶν τε ξυναιτίων καὶ τῶν αἰτίων, ἃς πρώτας ἀπ᾽
ἀλλήλων διαιρετέον.
NE. ΣΩ. ᾿Ορθῶς. 5
EE. Otc οὖν ὅτι χαλεπὸν αὐτὰς τεμεῖν δίχα ;
ΝΣ > / 3 “A » @ ΕΣ
τὸ δ᾽ αἴτιον, ὡς οἶμαι, προϊοῦσιν οὐχ ἧττον εἐσται
καταφανές.
NE. ΣΏ. Οὐκοῦν χρὴ δρᾷν οὕτως.
\ , 4 ῪἷΝ Φ ε a 7
HE. Κατὰ μέλη τοίνυν αὐτὰς οἷον ἱερεῖον διαιρώ- 10 These, for
μεθα, ἐπειδὴ δίχα ἀδυνατοῦμεν. δεῖ γὰρ εἰς τὸν ἐγγύ-
“ , ( > x τι
TATA ὃ τι μάλιστα τέμνειν ἀριθμον ἀεί.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Πῶς οὖν ποιῶμεν τὰ νῦν ;
aD "CO yy 4) ε / / 57
bey Le σπέερ EMTPOOVEV, OTTO AL TAPELXOVTO ορ-
Ν \ « / / ,ὔ / 4 ἢ
γανα περὶ τὴν ὑφαντικὴν, πάσας δήπου τότε ἐτίθεμεν
ς ἢ
ως συναιτιους.
NE. >Q. Nai.
~ \ Χ \ “-“ yA \ ἴω
ΞΕ. Καὶ νῦν δὴ ταὐτὸν μὲν τοῦτο, ἔτι δὲ μᾶλλον
“That occupy part of the same
field :” with a slight etymolo-
gical allusion to νομευτική. The
comparison of infr. 289 b shews,
however, that the word is not
to be taken actively or accented
ξυννόμοι.
7. τὸ δ᾽ αἴτιον---καταφανὲς |
I. 6. The enumeration itself
(αὐτὴ ἡ διέξοδος) will shew that
the analysis cannot be carried
further.
9. δρᾷν οὕτως] προϊέναι.
10. οἷον ἱερεῖον] Cf. Pheedr.
265 €: καὶ μὴ ἐπιχειρεῖν κατα-
γνύναι μέρος μηδὲν κακοῦ μαγείρου
τρόπῳ χρώμενον. The same image
occurs in Emped. Fr. 1. 86:
γνῶθι διατμηθέντος eve σπλάγ-
χνοισι λόγοιο, with a further
allusion to divination.
ΤΙ. det yap] Cf. once more
Phileb. τό d: δύο, εἴπως εἰσί,
σκοπεῖν, εἰ δὲ μὴ, τρεῖς ἤ τιν᾽ ἄλλον
ἀριθμόν.
15. δήπου] Bod. δέ που.
18. ταὐτὸν μὲν τοῦτο, ἔτι δὲ
μᾶλλον] For the slight inex-
actness of μὲν and δὲ, ef. Thezt.
150 b: τὸ μὲν τῶν μαιῶν τοσοῦ-
τον, ἔλαττον δὲ τοῦ ἐμοῦ δράματος.
ἔτι δὲ μᾶλλον] Because they
are no less indispensable, and
are still less to be confounded
with the art itself. Cf Rep.
2, 370 ὁ: 6 yap γεωργός, ὡς
ἔοικεν, οὐκ αὐτὸς ποιήσεται ἑαυτῷ
τὸ ἄροτρον K.T.X.
ΕἼ
Q 2
reasons
which will
appear as
we proceed,
do not ad-
mit of di-
chotomy,
but must
be carved,
15 like a sacri-
fice, in
several
joints.
There are,
first, in-
struments ;
110
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
ἢ τόθ᾽ ἡμῖν ποιητέον. ὅσαι γὰρ σμικρὸν ἢ μέγα τι Pp. 28 "7:
n \ / A , ΄ /
δημιουργοῦσι κατὰ πολιν ὄργανον. θετέον ἁπάσας
μ ἢ
, ε " / oy \ ΄, >
TAVUTAS WS OVOAS συναιτιους. ανεὺ yap TOUT@MVY Οὐκ
" / / > Or , , ’ 3
ἂν ποτε γένοιτο πόλις οὐδὲ πολιτικὴ, τούτων δ᾽ αὖ
5 βασιλικῆς ἔργον τέχνης οὐδέν που θήσομεν.
NE. 2Q. Οὐ yap.
EE. Kat μὲν δὴ χαλεπὸν ἐπιχειροῦμεν δρᾷν
3 / a > ‘ a iy Ν ie ἃ
ἀποχωρίζοντες τοῦτο ἀπὸ τῶν ἄλλων τὸ γένος
“4 \ 3 > yy
ὃ TL yap οὖν TOY ὀντων
y id S e /
*eorw ὡς Ἐ evos γέ
7 , “- / U
Secondly, τοτίνος ὄργανον εἰποντα δοκεῖν εἰρηκέναι TL πιθανον.
“ Δ ὦ 3 ω » / , 3,
ομως δὲ ετέρον αὖ TOV εν πόλει Κτήηματων εἰπῶμεν
τόδε.
NE. ΣΩ. Τὸ ποῖον :
ἘΠῚ ‘O » y / \ δύ yy >
Hu, ἃς οὐκ ἐστι ταυτὴν THY ουναμιν EXOV. OV
4. τούτων δ᾽ αὖ — θήσομεν]
“Nor, again, shall we rank
any one of these things as a
function of the regal art.”
9. 6 τι yap οὖν --- πιθανόν |
The words as they stand in
the MSS. (ὡς ἔστιν ἑνός γέ τι-
νος ὄργανον) give no construc-
tion to δοκεῖν. Stephanus
read ἔστι for ὅ,τι, which can-
not be spared. Ast supplied
det; Stallbaum, ἀνάγκη; Her-
mann omits os; Wagner, in
Rheinsch. Mus. vol. xii. (1857)
p- 307, reads δοκεῖ. The com-
parison of Legg. 4, 709 b—ro δ᾽
ἔστι περί τε ναυτιλίαν καὶ κυβερ-
νητικὴν καὶ ἰατρικὴν καὶ στρατη-
γικὴν πάντα ταῦτ᾽ εἰπόντα δοκεῖν
εὖ λέγειν. ἀλλὰ γὰρ ὁμοίως καὶ
τόδε ἔστι λέγοντα εὖ λέγειν--
leaves no doubt that Hermann’s
(which is nearly that of Ste-
phanus) is the right method.
But os is to be retained by
being placed after ἔστιν. Cf.
Legg. 6, 768 c: ἃ δὴ φαμὲν ov’
ὡς ἀρχὰς οὔθ᾽ ὡς μὴ ῥάδιον εἰ-
πόντα ἀναμφισβητήτως εἰρηκέναι.
Crat. 404 b: Δημητὴρ φαίνεται
—os μητὴρ κεκλῆσθαι, and supr.
ἐτίθεμεν ὡς συναιτίους, infr. 289 6,
201 ἃ, supr. 281 a, b, Pheedo
99 Ὁ. For the position of ἔστι,
cf. Legg. 6, 769 ὁ: οἷός τε εἰς
TO πρόσθεν ἔσται φαιδρύνων ποι-
εἶν ἐπιδιδόναι. Bodl. MS. ὡς ἐστι
without accent.
11. εἴπωμεν τόδε] “ Let us say
what follows regarding another
of the possessions that are in
a city.” “Say what?” “That it
has not this power” (i. 6. is not
πολιτικήῆ. Cf. infr.: καὶ τῇ ζητου-
μένῃ γε προσῆκον οὐδὲν ἀτεχνῶς
ἐπιστήμῃ). “ For it is not com-
pacted with a view to being
employed in production, as was
the case with the genus imstru-
ment, but for the preservation
or retention of what has been
made,”
d
a,
Mente
ΠΟΛΙΓΙΚΟΣ.
117
87 ‘ AY / Ses, / ba y
- Yap ἐπι YEVETEWS αἰτιᾷ πήγνυται, καῦύαπερ οργᾶνον,
ἀλλ᾽ ἕνεκα τοῦ δημιουργηθέντος σωτηρίας.
NE. SQ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
HE. Τοῦτο ὃ δὴ ξηροῖς καὶ ὑγροῖς [καὶ ἐμπύροις
NS 3 / Ἂν 9 > / 5 4
kai ἀπύροις)] παντοδαπὸν εἰδος ἐργασθέν, ἀγγεῖον 5
+O Ont μιᾷ κλήσει προσφθεγγόμεθα, καὶ μάλα γε
N 5 “ἧς ΄ ec ©}
συχνὸν εἰδος Kal TH ζητουμένῃ γε, ὡς οἰμαι, προσ-
“Ὁ Ia\ a /
NkKov οὐδὲν ἀτεχνῶς ἐπιστήμῃ.
NE. ΣΩ. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ;
6 5 ΄ὕ
SE. Τούτων δὴ τρίτον ἕτερον εἶδος κτημάτων
[4 / \ Ν y Ν
πάμπολυ κατοπτέον πεζὸν καὶ ἐνυδρον καὶ πολυ-
I. ἐπὶ γενέσεως αἰτίᾳ] “Ῥτο-
ductionis causa.” ἐπὶ as in ἐπὶ
τέχνῃ μανθάνει. in
ὧν δὴ σὺ πέρι αἰτίαν ἔχεις δια-
φέρειν. 1. 6. With the view of
having production referred to
them.
4. Τοῦτο ---- προσφθεγγόμεθα]
This place also appears easily re-
mediable by rejecting the second
ὃ δή, which is either a gloss or a
clerical error. Stallb. is wrong
in saying that two arts must
be developed here. (How would
he distinguish ἐργαλεῖον from
ὄργανον ?) The ὄργανον has been
already distinguished, though
with difficulty, as a separate
kind, being lightly passed over
because already spoken of under
ὑφαντική, and that here named
(ἀγγεῖον) has been previously
spoken of as ἕτερον, “a second.”
The next is therefore properly
introduced as τρίτον.
[καὶ ἐμπύροις καὶ ἀπύροι-ς]]
For things prepared by fire
and not so prepared. Thus
caldrons and pitchers are both
included. In Legg. 3, 679 a,
αἰτία as
σκευῶν ἐμπύρων te Kal ἀπύρων,
the distinction is made between
pottery and wickerwork, the
former of which is baked and
will bear heat.
9. Πῶς yap ov;] Se. εἴπωμεν
ὡς οὐκ ἐστι ταύτην τὴν δύναμιν
ἔχον. This form of assent to ἃ
negative proposition has been
questioned, and πῶς yap, πῶς
yap οὖν, πῶς yap ἄν, suggested.
But for a similar inexactness
in reply, if this be inexactness,
cf. Gorg. 467 6: ἾΔρ᾽ οὖν ἔστι
τι τῶν ὄντων, ὃ οὐχὶ ἤτοι ἀγαθόν
γ᾽ ἐστὶν ἢ κακὸν ἢ μεταξὺ τούτων,
οὔτε ἀγαθὸν οὔτε κακόν ; Π. πολλὴ
ἀνάγκη, ὦ Σ. (SC. μὴ εἶναί τι τῶν
ὄντων ὃ ete.
10. Τούτων δὴ ---- γιγνόμενον |
“ And there is a third kind
of possessions, different from
these and very extensive, which
we must descry, on land and
on water, perambulatory and
stationary, honourable and dis-
honoured, to which one name
is given, because it is always
intended to be sat upon, and
is a seat for some one.”
10 Thirdly,
platforms,
or vehicles ;
Fourthly,
defences ;
Fifthly,
sports ;
118 MAATQNOZ
\ Ν ’ \ Ν / Ν » Δ
mAaves καὶ ἀπλανὲς καὶ μῶν ἐλευ ἄτιμον, ἕν δὲ
ὄνομα ἔχον, διότι πᾶν ἔνεκά τινος ἐφέδρας ἐστί, θᾶκος
ἀεί τινι γιγνόμενον.
NE. 2Q. Τὸ ποῖον ;
5. SE. "Oynua αὐτό που λέγομεν, οὐ πάνυ πολιτι-
mo A a \ lad \
κῆς ἔργον, ἀλλὰ μᾶλλον πολὺ τεκτονικῆς καὶ κερα-
μικῆς καὶ χαλκοτυπικῆς.
᾽ὔ
NE. 2Q. Μανθάνω.
— / \ / opt) oS 9 ,
mE. Ti δὲ τέταρτον ; ap ἕτερον εἶναι τούτων
/ > a \ - BD lal Mf e /
10 AEKTEOV, ἐν ᾧ τὰ πλεῖστα ἐστι τῶν πάλαι ῥηθέντων,
3 Ip / Ν lad σ \ Χ Ν /
ἐσθής τε ξύμπασα Kal τῶν ὅπλων TO πολὺ καὶ τείχη
7 > “ ΄ Uf Ν / Ν
πάντα θ᾽ ὅσα γηινα περιβλήματα καὶ λίθινα, καὶ
/ oS les \ Ge bs ΄ ’ a
μυρία ἕτερα ; προβολῆς de ἕνεκα ξυμπάντων αὑτῶν
x ο ΄ ΄
εἰργασμένων δικαιότατ᾽ ἂν ὅλον προσαγορεύοιτο πρό-
a a / o Ἵ
τόβλημα, καὶ πολλῷ μᾶλλον τέχνης οἰκοδομικῆς ἐργον
«᾿ an N a 7 95 oN 9 , x
Kal ὑφαντικῆς τὸ πλεῖστον νομίζοιτ᾽ ἂν ὀρθότερον ἢ
πολιτικῆς.
, \ 5
NE. 2Q. Tavu μεν οὖν.
Ni: Ἂ /
GE. Πέμπτον δὲ ap ἂν ἐθέλοιμεν τὸ περὶ Tov
, Ν Ν lat NCH 7 ,
20KOT LOY καὶ γραφικὴν θεῖναι Kal ὅσα ταύτῃ προσχρώ-
la / lod €
μενα καὶ μουσικῇ μιμήματα τελεῖται, πρὸς τὰς ἡδονὰς
I. τίμιον καὶ ἄτιμον] Cf. προ- g. Τί δὲ τέταρτον :1] Cf. Gorg.
εδρία, πρῶτον ξύλον. Hom. Il. 474 6: τί δὲ δὴ αἴσχιον ; πότερον
Μ. 311: τετιμήμεσθα μάλιστα κ.οτ.λ.
ἕδρῃ τε κρέασίν te κιτιλ. Dio 10. τῶν πάλαι ῥηθέντων] Supr.
Cass. 58,18: ἕδραι τε ἄτιμοι kat 270, 280.
στάσεις ἐπονείδιστοι. II. τῶν ὅπλων τὸ πολύ] Le.
6. μᾶλλον πολὺ] Cf. supr. Defensive armour.
275 ¢, and note. 16. τὸ πλεῖστον ͵]͵ “ Most,”
κεραμικῆ) The exact bear- not “all.” Not ὁπλοποιϊκή, for
ing of this would be more evi- example.
dent if we knew more of the ὀρθότερον pleonastically re-
details of Greek life. sumes πολὺ μᾶλλον, as suiting
7. χαλκοτυπικῆς) By which better with νομίζοιτ᾽ ἄν.
chariots, for example, are made.
--
i
|
|
cane a ἀεαιΞ Ἐπ
zz = See ον
pr ποτα ας :..........-----ς- -᾽- - ὠἘ --- 5 ὀἧὈὀ-Ὀο-- --- --.-ς-ς--.------.---------.
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
/ « al 5 /
288. μόνον ἡμῶν ἀπειργασμένα, δικαίως
περιληφθέντα ἑνί;
NE. ΣΩ. Ποίῳ ;
119
“δ ᾽ ͵
αν ονομαᾶτι
Ρ" / ΄ ΄,
HE. Παίγνιόν ποὺ τι λέγεται.
NE. ΣΏ. Τί μήν ;
=! r a 7 / a + “ /
=H. Tovro τοίνυν τούτοις ἕν ὄνομα ἅπασι πρέψει
lal 3 > n 7
προσαγορευθέν: ov yap σπουδῆς οὐδὲν αὐτῶν χάριν,
A 7 7 rn
ἀλλὰ παιδιᾶς ἕνεκα πάντα δρᾶται.
NE. 2Q. Καὶ τοῦτο σον ἔτι μανθάνω.
5
SE. To δὲ πᾶσι τούτοις σώματα παρέχον, ἐξ ὧν το Sixthly,
καὶ ἐν οἷς δημιουργοῦσιν ὁπόσαι τῶν τεχνῶν νῦν εἴ-
\ 3 ἴω ε ΄
ρηνται, παντοδαπὸν εἰδος, πολλῶν ἑτέρων τεχνῶν
» yf 5.3 5 “ ,
ἔκγονον ὃν, ap οὐχ ἐκτον θησομεν ;
4. Παιίγνιόν πού τι] ‘There
is such ἃ word in use as
‘ child’s-play.’” Cf. Soph. 226
Ὁ: λέγομεν. We have here
the larger kind, of which μι-
μητική is part. Cf. Soph. 234
b: παιδιᾶς δὲ ἔχεις ἥ τι τεχνι-
κώτερον ἢ καὶ χαριέστερον εἶδος
ἢ τὸ μιμητικόν :
10. Τὸ δὲ πᾶσι τούτοις σώματα
παρέχον] This (if earlier than
the Timzus) is probably a
nearer approach than philo-
sophy had hitherto made to
the distinction of matter and
form, of which the doctrine of
elements in the earlier Greek
philosophy was the anticipa-
tion. The ἄπειρον of the Phi-
lebus (see esp. 25 6) is a more
abstract mode of the same
conception, taken from Pytha-
gorean philosophy (ef. ib. 54 ¢:
γενέσεως μὲν ἕνεκα φάρμακά τε
καὶ πάντα ὄργανα καὶ πᾶσαν ὑλὴν
παρατίθεσθαι πᾶσιν) : and the
notion of formless matter oc-
curs once again in the Timzus,
in a passage of which the germ
may be found in the text, 49 a:
νῦν δ᾽ ὁ λόγος ἔοικεν εἰσαναγ-
κάζειν χαλεπὸν καὶ ἀμυδρὸν εἶδος
ἐπιχειρεῖν λόγοις ἐμφανίσαι. τίνα
οὖν ἔχον δύναμιν καὶ φύσιν αὐτὸ
ὑποληπτέον 2
πάσης εἶναι γενέσεως ὑποδοχὴν
αὐτό, οἷον te Ὅλ (Cf, Ars
Rokk (8):
πότερον ὡς ἡ repaid) TH
ὑφαντικῇ, ἢ ὡς ἡ χαλκουργικὴ TH
τοιάνδε μάλιστα,
αἱ re Cs ‘
GE Gh Gan seatiayy
> Poy > \ c ’
ἀνδριαντοποιΐᾳ' οὐ γὰρ ὡσαύτως
ς ~ > >? c \ als
ὑπηρετοῦσιν, ἀλλ᾿ ἡ μὲν ὄργανα
δὲ
ὑποκείμενον, ἐξ οὗ τι
ἔργον, ὑφάντῃ
μὲν ἔρια, ἀνδριαντοποιῷ δὲ χαλκόν.
11. ἐν οἷς] Matter is that
in which art works as well as
out of which art produces. Cf.
Phileb. 59 d: καθάπερ δημιουρ-
yots ἡμῖν,
δημιουργεῖν τι, παρακεῖσθαι.
12.
γονον oy |
παρέχει, ἡ δὲ THY ὕλην. λέγω
ὕλην τὸ
> “ -
ἀποτελεῖται οἷον
- BD ἘΣ “
ἐξ ὧν ἢ ἐν οἷς δεῖ
πολλῶν ἑτέρων τεχνῶν ἔκ-
Hence it appears
materials,
(which
should
have been
put first :)
120
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Ποῖον δὴ λέγεις ;
» Ν / , « ’
EE. Χρυσόν τε καὶ ἄργυρον καὶ πανθ᾽ ὁπόσα
NA / Va ὃ \ Ν Ν & /
μέτα €VETAL, και OOH ὀρυοτομικῇ Και κουρα υμπᾶασα
/ / “ Ν ‘el Ν »
TEMVOVO A παρέχει TEKTOVLKY) και πλεκτικῇ»; και ετι
‘ ΄- > / / /
5 φλοιστικὴ φυτῶν τε Kal ἐμψύχων δέρματα σωμάτων
A / NG / Ν \ ΚΤ,
περιαιρουσα σκυτοτΤομικῆ. Καὶ OOAL TE pl TA TOLAVT
> a / ΄σ
εἰσὶ τέχναι, καὶ φελλῶν καὶ βύβλων καὶ δεσμῶν
» a / XN
ἐργαστικαί, παρέσχον δημιουργεῖν σύνθετα ἐκ μὴ
/ yA “ ἃ \ > τ 7
συντιθεμένων εἴδη γενῶν. ἐν δὲ αὐτὸ προσαγορεύωμεν
“ Ν \ b) / te] Ἂς »45“.’
τοπτᾶν τὸ TpwToyeves ἀνθρώποις κτῆμα, καὶ ἀξυνθετον
Ν a > / » ΄σ y y
καὶ βασιλικῆς ἐπιστήμης οὐδαμῶς ἔργον OV.
that matter is a relative no-
tion: for which thought, see
also Tim. 49 b, e.
2. Χρυσόν — yevav] “I
mean gold and silver and
all mineral productions, and
all that wood-cutting and
every sort of cutting provides
for the arts of carpentry
and plaiting ; and all wherein
the process of barking, strip-
ping off the cuticle of plants,
and the currier’s art, denud-
ing animals of theirs, and the
other arts connected with such
produce, that manufacture
corks and papyrus and fasten-
ings, provide for the manufac-
ture of composite species from
simple kinds.” Note the rhythm
of the concluding words.
The structure resembles
Soph. 227 a: καὶ τῶν ἀψύχων
σωμάτων (καθάρσεις), ὧν γναφευ-
τικὴ καὶ ξύμπασα κοσμητικὴ τὴν ἐπι-
μέλειαν παρεχομένη κατὰ σμικρὰ,
πολλὰ καὶ γελοῖα δοκοῦντα ὀνόματα
So here: καὶ φλοιστικὴ
- περιαιροῦσα k.T.A. παρέσχον.
The words from καὶ downwards
aa
EO XEV.
are part of the relative clause,
though not to be construed
strictly with ὅσα. Compare
the order of words in Legg. 6,
779 d: πάντα ὅσα διδασκαλεῖα
κατεσκευασμένα περιμένει τοὺς
φοιτητὰς καὶ θεατὰς θέατρα. Ib.
8734: ἐν τοῖς τῶν δώδεκα ὁρίοισι
μερῶν.
3. κουρά] Τὰ. g. the cutting
of osiers and brushwood, the
mowing of grass and reaping
of straw, the cropping of
horses’ and camels’ hair, the
shearing of sheep.
7. δεσμῶν] Such as glue
and thread.
10. TO πρωτογενὲς ἀνθρώποις
κτῆμα] The first-born of hu-
man possessions, because ne-
cessary to the production of
all else. The word is a rare
one, and occurs in the Orphie
verses, where also Nature
(φύσις) is called πρωτογένεια.
It seems probable that Plato
had this, in common with
other terms employed in these
dialogues, from a Pythagorean
source.
a
ΠΟΛΙΓΙΚΟΣ.
NE. ΣΩΏ. Καλώς.
—_ \ \ ΄“ a a a ὦ , ἈΝ
BE. Τὴν δὴ τῆς τροφῆς κτῆσιν, καὶ ὅσα εἰς τὸ
σῶμα ξυγκαταμιγνύμενα ἑαυτῶν μέρεσι μέρη σώμα-
> Ν ΄ / if 7 /
Tos εἰς TO θεραπεῦσαί τινα δύναμιν εἴληχε, λεκτέον
121
Y > 7, uN / ε vad τὶ
ἕβδομον ὀνομάσαντας αὐτὸ ξύμπαν ἡμῶν εἶναι τρο-
/ (4 7 yy » rod
hov, εἰ μὴ τι κάλλιον ἔχομεν ἄλλο θέσθαι. γεωργικῇ
\ \ ied Ν “ > ” ἊΝ
δὲ καὶ θηρευτικῇ καὶ γυμναστικῇ καὶ ἰατρικῇ καὶ
tal cal / / ’ DY
μαγειρικῇ πᾶν ὑποτιθέντες ὀρθότερον ἀποδώσομεν ἢ
τῇ πολιτικῇ.
NE. 20. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ;
N o / Χ
mE. Σχεδὸν τοίνυν ὅσα ἔχεται κτήσεως, πλὴν
a ἘΠΕ Σ ΄ > ΄ ε \ 5 /
TOV ἡμέρων ζώων, εν TOUTOLS ETTTA οἶμαι γένεσιν
» 7 , LS \ , \ 3 \
εἰρῆσθαι. σκόπει δέ; ἣν yap δικαιότατα μὲν av τεθὲν
> > \ Ν \ 5 \ \ an 5
KQT αρχᾶς ΤΟ πρρῶώτογεένες εἰδος, μέτα δὲ TOUTO Op-
yavov, ἀγγεῖον, ὄχημα, πρόβλημα, παίγνιον, θρέμμα.
, \ 7 Χ
παραλείπομεν δὲ εἴ τι μὴ
3. ἑαυτῶν μέρεσι] The po-
sition of ἑαυτῶν μέρεσιν, which
is for the sake of emphasis,
determines the order of the
following words. The whole is
a periphrasis for φάρμακα.
μέρη σώματος εἰς τὸ θερα-
πεῦσαι δύναμίν τινα] Note the
inversion : for δυν. τ. εἰς τὸ θερ.
σώματος μέρη.
7. γυμναστικῇ] Because the
trainer prescribes a certain
diet.
11. ὅσα ἔχεται κτήσεως] ΟἿ.
Theet. 145 a: ὅσα τε παιδείας
ἔχεται, alib.
12. ἣν γὰρ] “ For we had,
what would rightly have been
placed first, the primitial kind.”
15. θρέμμα] “ Nourishment.”
This meaning is not noticed in
the Lexicons, but Stallbaum
ΩΣ
μέγα λέληθεν εἴς τι τού-
well compares the use of γέν-
νῆμα in Soph. 266 ἃ. Both
uses originate in the “ cog-
nate” object of the active
becoming the subject of the
passive voice. θρέμμα retains
a verbal signification also in
Lege. 7, 789 b: τρέφουσιν —
ὀρνίθων θρέμματα.
16. παραλείπομεν----συμφωνήσει]
“But we pass over whatever
insignificant kind may have
escaped us, which may pos-
sibly be made to fit into one
of these, for instance, -the na-
ture of coins, seals, and stamps
of all sorts.” [μέγα], which
Bodl. Vat. Ven. M1 omit, is re-
tained, not as genuine, but as
possibly preserving the trace
of a lost reading, perhaps of
μόγις, suggested by Stallbaum.
R
Seventhly,
nourish-
ments.
σι
Το
Into these
seven kinds
all posses-
sions ex-
cept living
creatures
can, by
hook or
15 by crook,
be distri-
buted.
Animate
posses-
sions, with
the excep-
tion of
slaves,were
previously
included in
the art of
tending
herds.
There
remains
therefore
the class of
servants,
amongst
whom to
look for the 19
nearest
rivals of
the king.
But slaves,
who are
servants in
122 ITAATQNOZ
των {{μεγὰ]} δυνατὸν ἁρμόττειν, οἷον ἡ τοῦ νομί- p. 8}
᾽ / Ν / Ν Ν lal
σματος ἰδέα καὶ σφραγίδων καὶ παντὸς χαρακτῆρος.
/ \ > > ΄ rc Ia\ 32) /
γένος TE yap εν AUTOLS TAVUTA οὐδὲν Exel μέγα ξύν-
> \ \ \ > / \ \ > yy
νομον, ἀλλὰ τὰ pev εἰς KOTMOVY, τὰ δὲ εἰς ὄργανα
/ / σ \ ’ὔ e , ͵7
δβίᾳ μέν, ὅμως δὲ πάντως €AKopeva συμφωνήσει.
\ \ Ν / “ “ ε / Ν ΄
τὰ δὲ περὶ ζώων κτῆσιν τῶν ἡμέρων, πλὴν δούλων,
ἡ πρότερον ἀγελαιοτροφικὴ διαμερισθεῖσα πάντα
εἰληφυΐα ἀναφαίνεται.
NE. ΣΩ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
EE. Τὸ δὲ δὴ δούλων καὶ πάντων ὑπηρετῶν λοιπόν,
> - Ν / \ Ν 3 ωΝἪἮ x ,
εν OLS που και μαντεύομαι TOUS TrEpl QUTO TO πλέγμα
ἀμφισβητοῦντας τῷ βασιλεῖ καταφανεῖς γενήσεσθαι,
, a c , ΄ \ κ᾿ \ 7,
καθαπερ τοῖς ὑφάνταις τοτε τοὺς περὶ τὸ νήθειν TE
3. γένος--συμφωνήσει] “ For
these, while they have not in
them the nature of any exten-
sive kind which can be classed
along with them, yet can, by
hook or by crook, be made to
harmonize, though not without
some violence, either with the
ornaments or the instruments
of life.”
τε γὰρ — adda] δὲ and
even μέντοι and ἀλλὰ may
sometimes follow re, when the
opposition between two paral-
lel clauses is thought of as
the sentence proceeds. Cf.
Pheedo 63 ¢: παρὰ ἄνδρας τε---
ὅτι μέντοι mapa θεούς, where
however μὲν is interposed, and
Theeet. 143 ©: περὶ αὑτοῦ τε ἢ
αὖ περὶ τὸν ἀποκρινομένου. The
two clauses here answer to μὴ
μέγα and δυνατὸν ἁρμόττειν supr.
4. εἰς κόσμον] Which is a de-
partment of παίγνιον : 288 ο.
5. Bia μέν---Κὅἥμως δὲ] Cf.
Rep. 10, 607 6: βίᾳ μὲν, ὅμως
δὲ ἀπέχονται, and Soph. Ant.
ITI16: οἴμοι μόλις μὲν, καρδίας
δ᾽ ἐξίσταμαι τὸ δρᾷν, τε is used
because their not being refer-
rible to an important class is
one of the two reasons for
omitting them.
7. ἡ πρότερον ἀγελαιοτροφικὴ
διαμερισθεῖσαΪ ~=Note the in-
verted order.
II, ἐν ois που] “Somewhere
amongst whom.”
τοὺς περὶ αὐτὸ τὸ πλέγμαϊ
He refers to the difficulty
about the king in the language
of the example of weaving:
i.e. those who dispute with the
king about the fabric of the
web itself and not only about
the instruments of the manu-
facture. Cf. 268, 281; and
vid. infr. 305 6: πάντα ξυνυ-
φαίνουσαν ὀρθότατα --- τὴν δὴ
βασιλικὴν συμπλοκήν.
13. τοῖς ὑφάνταις] Se. ἀμφισ-
βητοῦντας φαίνεσθαι.
:
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 123
\ , “ yy 7 ε ” ,
289. καὶ ξαίνειν καὶ ὅσα ἄλλα εἴπομεν. οἱ δ᾽ ἄλλοι πάν-
τες, ὡς συναίτιοι λεχθέντες, ἅμα τοῖς ἔργοις τοῖς νῦν
δὴ ῥηθεῖσιν ἀνήλωνται καὶ ἀπεχωρίσθησαν ἀπὸ βα-
σιλικῆς τε καὶ πολιτικῆς πράξεως.
NE. 2Q. Ἔοικασι γοῦν.
EE. Ἴθι δὴ σκεψώμεθα τοὺς λοιπούς, προσ-
ελθόντες ἐγγύθεν, ἵν᾿ αὐτοὺς εἰδῶμεν βεβαιότερον.
NE. 2Q. Οὐκοῦν χρή.
SE. Τοὺς μὲν δὴ μεγίστους ὑπηρέτας, ὡς ἐνθένδε
ἰδεῖν, τοὐναντίον ἔχοντας εὑρίσκομεν οἷς ὑπωπτεύσα-
μεν ἐπιτήδευμα καὶ πάθος.
NE. ΣΩ. Twas :
ΞΕ, Tous ὠνητούς τε καὶ τῷ τρόπῳ τούτῳ κτη-
τούς" ods ἀναμφισβητήτως δούλους ἔχομεν εἰπεῖν,
ἥκιστα βασιλικῆς μεταποιουμένους τέχνης.
NE. ΣΏ. [los δ᾽ οὔ:
mE. Τί δέ; τῶν ἐλευθέρων ὅσοι τοῖς νῦν δὴ ῥη-
9. μεγίστους----ὡς ἐνθένδε ἰδεῖν]
“The greatest—as seen from
where we now stand.” 1. 6.
the greatest servants, because
most essentially such, this
being the only measure which
our method allows. Cf. infr,
303 6, for the same use of
τῷ καλῶς δουλεῦσαι μᾶλλον ἢ τῷ
καλῶς ἄρξαι. Ib. 763 a: αὐτοὶ
dv αὑτῶν διανοηθήτωσαν ὡς βιω-
σόμενοι διακονοῦντές τε καὶ δια-
κονούμενοι ἑαυτοῖς.
10. οἷς] = ἐκείνοις ἃ. Plural,
because of the two antecedents,
ἐπιτήδευμα καὶ πάθος.
μέγιστος. Also Phileb. 45 a: 11. καὶ πάθος] “ And feel-
μέγισται τῶν ἡδονῶν. Legg. 1, ing,” viz. ambition.
e ‘ > ~ , Cm “A δ c ~ >
630 a: τους εν τῷ βεγίστῷ ; 17. τοῖς νυν δὴ ῥηθεῖσιν εἰς
πολέμῳ γιγνομενους αριστοῦυς ὑπηρετικήν | Qu. an legend.
διαφανῶς. The contempt here ὑπηρεσίαν See, however, Eu-
thyphr. 13 ἃ. “To the task of
ministering to those just now
mentioned” (the artificers of
the seven kinds of posses-
sions). All trade, especially
in money, is viewed by the
Greek philosophers as essenti-
implied for διακονία may be
contrasted with a striking pas-
sage of the Laws, where the
power of ministering to them-
selves and others is made es-
sential to the officers of state,
6, 762 6: καλλωπίζεσθαι χρὴ
Ὁ ἢ
2
2
15
the highest
degree,
have no-
thing in
common
with the
king. Nor
have those
freemen
who en-
gage as
birelings
in the ser-
vile opera-
tions of
trade.
124
΄- , [ὦ \ e / « Ἁ / ve
θεῖσιν εἰς ὑπηρετικὴν EKOVTES αὑτοὺς τάττουσι, τὰ TE p. 28 9.
ITAATQNOD
/ Ν Ν “- » lal A /
γεωργίας καὶ τὰ τῶν ἄλλων τεχνῶν ἔργα διακομίζον -
aid) ..9 / Ai 3 lal « \ yes) ,
Tes ἐπ ἀλλήλους καὶ ἀνισοῦντες, OL μὲν KAT ἀγορᾶς,
ε / > , > ͵ὕ \ /
οἱ δὲ πόλιν ἐκ πόλεως ἀλλάττοντες κατὰ θάλατταν
ἵν Sa / , Ν 53 Ν ae. ‘ ee.
5 καὶ πεζῇ, νομισμά TE πρὸς τάλλα καὶ AUTO πρὸς AUTO
¢ 5 5» / A
διαμείβοντες, ods ἀργυραμοιβούς τε Kal ἐμπόρους καὶ
» 7 a lal
ναυκλήρους καὶ καπήλους ἐπωνομάκαμεν, μῶν τῆς
an ΕἸ /
πολιτικῆς ἀμφισβητήσουσί τι;
NE. 2Q. Tay’ ἂν ἴσως τῆς γε τῶν ἐμπορευτικῶν.
ΙΟ
EE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐ μήν, οὕς γε ὁρῶμεν μισθωτοὺς καὶ
a a « , lal /
Onras πᾶσιν ἑτοιμότατα ὑπηρετοῦντας, μὴ ποτε βα-
΄ / v4
OLALKNS μεταποιουμένους εὕρωμεν.
ally inferior to other forms of
industry. Cf. Rep. 2, 371 b:
Καὶ δὴ τῶν ἄλλων διακόνων που
τῶν τε εἰσαξόντων καὶ ἐξαξόντων
ἕκαστα. οὗτοι δέ εἰσιν ἔμποροι.
Ib. α: εἰσὶν οἱ τοῦτο ὁρῶντες
ἑαυτοὺς ἐπὶ τὴν διακονίαν τάτ-
τουσι ταύτην, ἐν μὲν ταῖς ὀρθῶς
οἰκουμέναις πόλεσι σχεδόν τι οἱ
ἀσθενέστατοι τὰ σώματα καὶ
ἀχρεῖοί τι ἄλλο ἔργον πράττειν. ---
αὕτη ἄρα ἡ χρεία καπήλων ἡμῖν
γένεσιν ἐμποιεῖ τῇ πόλει. ἢ οὐ
καπήλους πρὸς
ὠνήν τε καὶ πρᾶσιν διακονοῦντας ;
and for πόλιν ἐκ πόλεως in this
connexion, cf. Soph. 224 b,
and note.
The statesmen are viewed
as διάκονοι in the Gorgias,
p. 517. Cf. Theet. 175 e:
τορῶς τε καὶ ὄξεως διακονεῖν.
Legg. 8,831 e (of the influ-
ence of commerce) : ἐμπόρους τε
καὶ ναυκλήρους καὶ διακόνους πάν-
τως τοὺς φύσει κοσμίους τῶν ἀν-
θρώπων ἀπεργαζομένη.
I. τά τε — διαμείβοντες |
“ Bringing over to each other
A ‘
καλοῦμεν τοὺς
and equalizing the work of the
husbandman and of the other
artificers (ἐπ᾽ ἀλλήλους, 56. τοὺς
γεωργούς, &e.): some in the
market-place and some trans-
ferring them from city to city
by sea and land, exchanging
money for other commodities,
and these for money.”
3. ἀνισοῦντε) This seems
to point to a doctrine of ex-
change approaching to that of
Aristotle in Eth. Nie. V.
4. πόλιν -- ἀλλάττοντε)]) Cf.
Soph. 224 b, and note. The
words are usually taken to
mean “going from city to
city ;” for which cf. Theet.
181d: χώραν ἐκ χώρας pera-
βάλλῃ.
9. τῆς γε τῶν ἐμπορευτικῶν
(sc. πολιτικῆς)}] “ The science
of directing commercial inter-
course.” The merchant may
profess political economy, but
not statesmanship or political
science.
το. καὶ θῆτας] Cf. Euthyphr.
Hae:
Ρ. 28
..........».................- - Ἐς.
IIOAITIKO2. 125
290. NE. SQ; ΠΠὡς γαρ; Then hee
᾿ 2 δι aes are public
RE. Τί δὲ ἄρα τοὺς τὰ τοιάδε διακονοῦντας ἡμῖν semua
8ucn as
ἑκάστοτε: heralds
and scribes,
who are
NE. 2Q. Τὰ ποῖα εἶπες καὶ τίνας ;
= n x 2 ς , not to be
b ΞΕ. Ὧν τὸ κηρυκικὸν ἔθνος, ὅσοι τε περὶ γράμ- 5 confound-
x ; ; Ξ i, ed with the
ματα σοφοὶ γίγνονται πολλάκις ὑπηρετήησαντες, rulers. Yet,
N Γ ACs Bo 5 n 5 \ zs however
καὶ πολλ᾽ ἄττα ἕτερα περὶ Tas apxas διαπονεῖσθαι strange the
Α “ ͵ὕ , 7 5 7 thought
τινὲς ἕτεροι πάνδεινοι, TL τούτους αὖ λέζομεν ; that the
claimants
for the art
of rule are
10 to be found
amongst
NE. 2Q. Ὅπερ εἶπες viv, ὑπηρέτας, ἀλλ᾽ οὐκ av-
Pp » UMNPETAS,
\ la “ a»
τοὺς ἐν ταῖς πόλεσιν ἄρχοντας.
=! > > / 53 / / \ 5
BE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ οὐ μὴν, οἰμαί γε, ἐνύπνιον ἰδὼν εἶπον
servants,
; , \ , 3 it was
ταὐτῃ πῇ φανήσεσθαι τοὺς διαφερόντως ἀμφισβη- το mere
> a ἮΝ a , / ὃ ey dream.
τοῦντας τῆς πολιτικῆς. καί TOL σφόδρα YE ἄτοπον ἂν There are
5 / X a , D ¢ a other pub-
ο εἶναι δόξειε τὸ ᾧηγτεῖν τούτους ἐν ὑπηρετικῇ μοιρᾳ τὰ εν ΡοΣ
ἢ ters whom
τινι. Τὸ we have
aN 53 not yet
NE. 2Q. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν. που
7 Ν 3 , > Ν .
HE. "Ere δὴ προσμίξωμεν ἐγγύτερον ἐπὶ τοὺς ΤῊΘ priest,
, ΄ὕ τ Ν ἘΝῚ Ὁ \ s diates be-
{ATT @ βεβασαν ὌΠ ous. εἰσὶ δὲ οἵ ἦν I eS ra gods
+ ΄ » , oa 3S + and men
EXGVTES τινος STDS OUGID! Be ptO Se AE ae
if / a 5
ap ποὺ νομίζονται παρὰ θεῶν ἀνθρώποις. 20 prophet,
Yap 7 μ ζ Ὥ ρ = who inter-
2. Tovs—Otakovodvras] Ne. εὕ- ΤΙ. AAN od—polpa τινί] “Yet
popev or λέξομεν.
5. περὶ γράμματα 7 H.g. the
public γραμματεῖς at Athens.
6. copoi—innperncarres| Cf.
Legg. 4, 720 Ὁ: ἐάν τέ γ᾽ ἐλεύ-
θεροι ὦσιν ἐάν τε δοῦλοι, κατ᾽ ἐπί-
ταξιν δὲ τῶν δεσποτῶν καὶ θεωρίαν
καὶ κατ᾽ ἐμπειρίαν τὴν τέχνην κτῶνται.
7. καὶ πόλλ᾽ ἄττα---πάνδεινοι]
* And certain others most
accomplished in performing
many other processes con-
nected with government.”
9. Ὅπερ εἶπες] Supr. ὑπηρε-
τήσαντας.
I am convinced it was no
mere dream which prompted
me to say that somewhere
hereabouts would appear the
men who above others put in
an opposing claim to the poli-
tical art—though it may in-
deed be thought very absurd
to look for these in any servile
department.”
17. προσμίξωμεν ἐγγύτερον |
Cf. Thezet. 179 ¢: προσιτέον οὖν
ἐγγυτέρω.
19. τινος --- μόριον] “ A por-
tion of ἃ kind of servile
prets the
will of hea-
ven,assume
an impos-
ing atti-
tude. In
Heypt the
king must
always be 5 7Q@pa
a priest,
and the
Archon-
Basileus at
Athens
performs
the most
ancient
sacrifices.
At last,
then, we
have hit
upon a
trace of
those whom
we seek.
These
archon-
kings,
elected by
lot, belong
with their
ministers
toa certain
motley
and shift-
ing throng:
some of
126 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
NE. ΣΟ Nai.
EE. Καὶ μὴν καὶ τὸ τῶν ἱερέων αὖ γένος, ὡς TO
νόμιμόν φησι, παρὰ μὲν ἡμῶν δωρεὰς θεοῖς διὰ θυ-
al > a , > \ a > / “Ὁ
σιῶν ἐπιστῆμον ἐστι κατὰ νοῦν ἐκείνοις δωρεῖσθαι,
Ν
\ > / « lal > lad lad lal 7
δὲ ἐκείνων ἡμῖν εὐχαῖς κτῆσιν ἀγαθῶν αἰτή- ἃ
fal \ / / 3 ὔ /
σασθαι. ταῦτα de διακόνου τέχνης ἐστί που μόρια
ἀμφότερα.
NE. 2Q. Paivera γοῦν.
— 7 / “ ey,
ZE.” Hon τοίνυν μοι δοκοῦμεν οἷόν ye τινος ἴχνους
x43 δ / 7 \ \ \ “
τοέφ᾽ ὃ πορευόμεθα προσάπτεσθαι. τὸ γὰρ δὴ τῶν
ς 7 “ Ν \ ΄σ΄ , 5 7 i;
ἱερέων σχημαὰ καὶ TO τῶν μάντεων εὖ μάλα Ppovn-
ματος πληροῦται καὶ δόξαν σεμνὴν λαμβάνει διὰ τὸ
/ 6 lod 3 , Cd Ν \ Αἴ
μέγεῦος των ἐγχειρημάτων, WOTE περὶ μεν Διγυπτον
οὐδ᾽ ἔξεστι βασιλέα χωρὶς ἱερατικῆς ἄρχειν, ἀλλ᾽ ἐὰν
yy Ν , J 5 yy / ,
τἄρα Kal τύχῃ πρότερον ἐξ ἄλλου γένους βιασάμενος,
A 3 a > a 5 STEN Χ
ὕστερον ἀναγκαῖον εἰς τοῦτο εἰστελεῖσθαι αὑτὸν τὸ
γένος. ἔτι δὲ καὶ τῶν Ελλήνων πολλαχοῦ ταῖς με-
/ a Ν / a A An
γίσταις ἀρχαῖς τὰ μέγιστα τῶν περὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα
, “ ΔΟ / 7 3, \
θύματα εὕροι τις av προσταττόμενα θύειν. καὶ On
art,” viz. of that of the inter-
preter, who is a species of
servant.
2. ὡς TO νόμιμόν φησι] The
irony of this appears from
Legg. 10, 906, Rep. 2, 364 e.
4. κατὰ νοῦν éxewous] CF.
Soph. id. Col. 1768: κατὰ
νοῦν κείνῳ, where the expres-
sion conveys a similar reveren-
tial feeling.
9. οἷόν γέ twos txvovs] Cf.
Rep. 4, 432 d: κινδυνεύομέν τι
ἔχειν ἴχνος.
10. τὸ yap—yevos] “ For we
see that the priest and prophet
assume an attitude of proud
importance, and have im-
pressed mankind with awe, on
account of the greatness of
their undertakings, so that in
Egypt it is not lawful for a
king to reign without the
priesthood, but if it should so
happen that he has previously
forced his way to the throne
from some other caste, it is
necessary that he be after-
wards initiated into this.”
18, τὰ μέγιστα----θύματα] “The
most important sacrifices con-
nected with such things,” viz.
with propitiation. Qu. an le-
gend. θυμάτων 1
Ρ.2 |
—
~m—
δε τ σεν 65.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
\ SING. A , ov a A , . a
90. καὶ Tap ὑμῖν οὐχ ἠκιστα δῆλον ὃ λέγω" τῷ
] / rn - \ ,
λαχόντι βασιλεῖ φασὶ τῇδε τὰ σεμνότατα Kal
197
γὰρ
μά-
λιστα πάτρια τῶν ἀρχαίων θυσιῶν ἀποδεδόσθαι.
NE. ΣΏΩ, Καὶ πάνυ γε.
Χ \ /
HE. Τούτους re τοίνυν τοὺς κληρωτοὺς βασιλέας 5
vA Ν 7 AGP να / Sey / aS
Aa και ἱερέας; και υπηρετας αὐτῶν καὶι τινὰ ETEPOV
΄, “, 7 A "7 ΄, a
πάμπολυν ὄχλον σκεπτέον, OS ἄρτι καταδηλος νῦν
« lal / a yf
ἡμῖν γέγονεν ἀποχωρισθέντων τῶν ἔμπροσθεν.
NE. 3Q. Tivas αὐτοὺς καὶ λέγεις ;
/ \ YY
HE. Καὶ μάλα τινὰς ἀτόπους.
NE, 50. Τί δή;
, , , SN 7 ,ὕἷ
HE. Παμφυλὸόν τι γένος αὐτῶν ὡς γε ἄρτι σκο-
’ὔἅ / Ν \ \ / - 3
πουμένῳ φαίνεται. πολλοὶ μὲν yap λέουσι τῶν av-
2. τῇδε] “Here in Athens.”
Cf. the Rex Saerificulus at
Rome. He might have in-
stanced Agamemnon in Ho-
in Greek
mer and Theseus
tragedy. τῶ
τὰ σεμνότατα καὶ μάλιστα
πάτρια] He presided at the
Lenean or older Dionysia:
superintended the mysteries
and games called λαμπαδηφο-
piat, and had to offer up sacri-
fices and prayers in the Eleu-
sinium, both at Athens and
Eleusis. (Smith’s Dict. of Ant.,
s. v. Archon.)
5. κληρωτοὺς] Following up
the notion of λαχόντι. In men-
tioning the ἄρχων βασιλεὺς we
have at last hit upon one of
the real pretenders to political
power.
6. καὶ ὑπηρέτας αὐτῶν] Cf.
Ar. Pol. IV. 12: ἔστι δὲ οὐδὲ
“ , e/ , -
τοῦτο διορίσαι ῥᾳδιον, ποίας δεῖ
ε > (Fe a \ >
καλεῖν ἀρχάς᾽ πολλῶν γὰρ ἐπι-
στατῶν ἡ πολιτικὴ κοινωνία δεῖ-
"»
OUTE
ται διόπερ πάντας τοὺς
αἱρετοὺς οὔτε τοὺς κληρωτοὺς
ἄρχοντας θετέον, οἷον τοὺς ἱερεῖς
πρῶτον.
ὑπηρετὰὲ αὐτῶν ἢ] The λο-
γογράφοι are perhaps included,
who furnished public speakers
with arguments.
9. Tivas—xai| Cf. Theet.
πόσα:
χάνει ὄν.
ὃ τι δήποτε καὶ τυγ-
Euthyd. 271 a: Ὃπό-
τερον καὶ ἐρωτᾷς, ὦ Κρίτων ;
13. πολλοὶ --- θηρίοις 7 Le.
“Some strong and fierce, some
weak and cunning.” Compare
Bacon, Ady. of Learning, Ellis’
ed., p. 394. ‘And although
we have said that the use of
this doctrine (of Elenches) is
for redargution, yet it is mani-
fest the degenerate and cor-
rupt use is for caption and
contradiction : which passeth
for a great faculty, and no
doubt is of very great advant-
age: though the difference be
good which was made between
whom, like
lions and
Centaurs,
are fierce
and strong;
others
weak and
cunning,
like Satyrs.
Yet their
strange-
ness is only
the igno-
rance of
an unfami-
liar vision.
The mon-
sters just
described
are no
other than
the band
who man-
age the
affairs of
states.
128 ITAATQNOZ
n » ΄ ΄ cu
δρῶν εἴξασι καὶ Kevravpous καὶ τοιούτοισιν ἑτέροις, p- 29 i!
΄ \ / a / Ν
πάμπολλοι δὲ Σατύροις καὶ τοῖς ἀσθενέσι καὶ πολυ- b
/ / \ \ ’ / ΕῚ 7
τρόποις θηρίοις" ταχὺ δὲ μεταλλάττουσι Tas τε ἰδέας
Ν ‘ / > ’ / Ν / a
καὶ τὴν δύναμιν εἰς ἀλλήλους. καὶ μέντοι μοι νῦν,
om / 4 “ Υ̓͂ ‘ ᾿, ᾿
5@ Σώκρατες, ἄρτι δοκῶ κατανενοηκέναι τοὺς ἂν- ᾿
This is
Arch-So-
phist, the
Opas.
NE. 50. Λέγοις av’ ἔοικας yap ἀτοπόν τι καθ-
ορᾶν.
=E N Le ἊΝ Ν ΒΩ » ᾿ val
EE. Nai: τὸ yap ἀτοπον ἐξ ayvoias πᾶσι συμ-
/ Ν Ν \ Ν a aN a "ἊΝ ε
το βαίνει. καὶ yap δὴ καὶ νῦν αὐτὸς τοῦτο ἐπαθον
5 7 > , \ Ν Ν A lal "2
ἐξαίφνης ἠμφεγνόησα κατιδὼν τὸν περὶ τὰ τῶν πὸ-
λεων πράγματα χορόν.
NE. >Q. Ποῖον:
EE. Tov πάντων τῶν
orators and sophisters, that
the one is as the greyhound,
which hath the advantage in
the race, and the other as the
hare, which hath her advantage
in the turn, so as it is the
advantage to the weaker crea-
ture.” And cf. Legg. 6, 781
a: τὸ θηλὺ ἐπικλοπώτερον διὰ τὸ
ἀσθενές.
4. καὶ pevtor—avdpas] “ And
come, I do think I now this
moment have perceived the na-
ture of the men.”
7. ἔοικας — kabopav] 1. 6.
“ Judging from your looks.”
Cf. Soph. Ant. 20: δηλοῖς γάρ
TL καλχαίνουσ᾽ ἔπος. Legg. 3
810 €: τί ποτε τοῦτ᾽ ὦ ξένε,
φαίνει πρὸς σαυτὸν ὄντως ἠπορη-
Kas λέγειν ;
The principle of election by
lot, which Plato ridicules here,
is admitted within very narrow
limits in the Laws. Cf. Lege.
3, 690d: Θεοφιλῆ δέ ye καὶ
rn / /
σοφιστῶν μέγιστον γόητα
εὐφιλῆ τινα λέγοντες ἑβδόμην ap-
χὴν (compare the seven forms
of government and seven c¢a-
tegories of possession in the
Politicus) εἰς κλῆρόν τινα προ-
ἄγομεν κ.τ.λ.
. τὸ γὰρ ἄτοπον ἐξ ἀγνοίας]
Cf. Arist. Met. I. 2. 982b: ὁ &
ἀπορῶν καὶ θαυμάζων οἴεται ay-
νοεῖν.
10. αὐτὸς τοῦτο ἔπαθον] “1
myself fell into this snare,”
viz. of thinking strange what
was only strange to me. The
Stranger is like the philoso-
pher as described in the Thez-
tetus, who knows nothing of
public assemblies or the de-
tails of civic life. For πάσχω
in this sense, ef. Soph. 232 a,
Ar. Pol. IV. 7: τοῦτο πάσχουσιν
οἱ λέγοντες διὰ TO μεμῖχθαι καλῶς.
11. ἐξαίφνης belongs by an
hyperbaton to κατιδών.
14. Tov—ydnta] Cf. Soph.
235 a: els γόητα μὲν δὴ καὶ μι-
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
129
ἈΝ , aA 7 , A κ a
ΟἹ, και TQAUTNS TS TEXVNS ἐμπειρότατον᾽ OV ἀπὸ TOV
ww + “-“ \ al ,
OVT@S OVTMY πολιτικῶν καὶ βασιλικῶν καίπερ παγ-
7 57 - > / ᾽ “-“
χάλεπον ὄντα ἀφαιρεῖν ἀφαιρετέον, εἰ μέλλομεν ἰδεῖν
ἐναργῶς τὸ ζητούμενον.
NE. ΣΏ. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν τοῦτό γε οὐκ ἀνετέον.
HE. Οὔκουν δὴ κατά γε τὴν ἐμήν. καί μοι φράζε
τόδε.
NE. >Q. Τὸ ποῖον ;
= 5 > 3 7 a od ἘΝ a
BE. “Ap ov μοναρχία τῶν πολιτικῶν ἡμῖν ἀρχῶν
2 Ν /
ἐστὶ μια:
NE. 2Q. Ναί.
=A) K \ \ , 3) yx 5 x
py te αι μετὰ μοναρχιᾶν εἴποι TLS AV, οιμαι, ΤῊΡν
ΘΙ ΘΝ, a ON Se ͵
ὕπο τῶν ολίγων δυναστείαν.
NE. 2Q. Ids δ᾽ οὔ;
H&E. Τρίτον δὲ σχῆμα πολιτείας οὐχ ἡ τοῦ πλή-
θους ἀρχή, δημοκρατία τοὔνομα κληθεῖσα ;
NE. ΣΩ. Πάνυ γε.
σ΄ > 3 vad > / / \\
mE. Τρεῖς δ᾽ οὖσαι μῶν ov πέντε τρόπον τινὰ
/ / 3 ἐ an yf SN ε ων ΕῚ 7
γίγνονται, δύο ἐξ ἑαυτῶν ἄλλα πρὸς αὑταῖς ὀνόματα
TLKTOVOAL 5
μητὴν apa θετέον τινα. The sin-
cular after χόρον is curious, but
this is only one more instance
of the transition from the class
to the ideal individual, which
we have had frequent occasion
to notice.
I. ταύτης τῆς τέχνης ἐμπειρό-
τατον] Sc. τῆς σοφιστικῆς. Cf.
Gorg. 465d: φύρονται ἐν τῷ
αὐτῷ καὶ περὶ ταὐτὰ σοφισταὶ καὶ
ῥήτορες, καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν ὅτι χρή-
σωνται οὔτε αὐτοὶ ἑαυτοῖς οὔτε οἱ
ἄλλοι ἄνθρωποι τούτοις.
5. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν] “ Well, we
must not relax our efforts in
regard to this.”
Se. τὸ ἐναργῶς ἰδεῖν
τὸ ζητούμενον.
6. κατά γε τὴν ἐμήν] Cf. supr.
27 a.
13. ὑπὸ τῶν ὀλίγων] Depend-
ing on the verbal notion in
δυναστείαν. Cf. Rep. 2, 359 a:
τὸ ὑπὸ τοῦ νόμου ἐπίταγμα.
19. δύο----τίκτουσαι)]7Π So the
three categories of the Sophist,
Being, Rest, and Motion, be-
came five through generating,
“by their own dialectic,” the
categories of Sameness and
Difference.
τοῦτο]
χ
5
5
sie)
μι
σι
impostor of
impostors,
who must
be sepa-
rated, how-
ever diffi-
cult the
task, from
the true
Statesman
and King.
We com-
monly
speak of
three forms
of govern-
ment, mon-
archy, oli-
garchy,and
democracy.
And the
distinctions
of compul-
sion and
freedom,
poverty
and wealth,
observance
of the laws
and law-
lessness,
give rise to
the further
division
of mon-
archy into
royalty and
20 tyranny,
and of oli-
garchy into
aristocracy
and pluto-
cracy.
The same
distine-
tions no
doubt arise
in demo-
cracy, but
without
changing
the name,
Thus the
common
way of
thinking
recognizes
five forms.
But is any
one of these
based on a
real prin-
ciple ?
For we
have as-
sumed from
the first
that there
is a science
of govern-
ment.
130
NE. Q. Ποῖα δή;
— \ \ « / 5»
=E. Πρὸς τὸ βίαιόν που καὶ ἑκούσιον ἀποσκο- 6
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
a a ΄σ Ν / Ν
ποῦντες νῦν, καὶ πενίαν καὶ πλοῦτον, καὶ νόμον καὶ
᾽ / > > vad / “ « ΄ὔ cr
ἀνομίαν, EV αὐταῖς γιγνόμενα, διπλὴν εκατέραν τοῖν
a "τι \ 7, ec
5 δυοῖν διαιροῦντες μοναρχίαν μὲν προσαγορεύουσιν ws
, > “ ‘ \
δύο παρεχομένην εἴδη δυοῖν ὀνόμασι, τυραννίδι, TO δὲ
βασιλικῇ.
NE. 20. Ti pny;
SE. Τὴν δὲ ὑπὸ ὀλίγων ye ἑκάστοτε κρατηθεῖσαν
J > / Ss 2 /
IOTOAL ἀριστοκρατίᾳ καὶ ολιγαρχίᾳ.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Καὶ πάνυ ye.
, , ΄ ΩΣ τὶ ee Che
mE. Δημοκρατίας ye μὴν, ἐὰν τ᾽ οὖν βιαίως ἐάν
« / lat ἊΝ > / 3 / \ “Ὁ
τε ἑκουσίως τῶν τὰς οὐσίας ἐχόντων τὸ πλῆθος
57 “ \ DY δ / 3 ia /
ἀρχῇ. Kal ἐὰν TE τοὺς νόμους ἀκριβῶς φυλάττον
μεταλλάττειν.
NE. ΣΏΩ. ᾿Αληθῆ.
EE. Τί οὖν ; οἰόμεθά
3. νῦν] “ According to pre-
sent notions.” Cf. Soph. 236 a.
In Rep. 8, 9, we have the
picture of four imperfect states,
Timocracy, Oligarchy, Demo-
eracy, and Tyranny, nearly cor-
responding to the four which
are distinguished from Kingly
Monarchy here. But the esti-
mate of each, and the mode in
which their relation to the
ideal government is conceived,
are very different in the two
passages. Plato is avowedly
speaking here according to
the common opinion. The
acknowledgment that, after all,
democracy, under legal con-
ditions, is the least bad, is a
27 , 7 oy > Ν x, ἢ 37
ιϑέαν τε μῆ, πάντως τοὔνομα οὐδεὶς αὐτῆς εἴωθε
2 na nan
τινα TOUT@Y TOY πολιτειῶν
point of approximation to the
Laws. See the Introduction to
the Statesman.
πενίαν καὶ πλοῦτον] Wealth
being the mark of the tyrant
and oligarch, as distinguished
from the king and the aristo-
crat, as well as from the
people.
6. τυραννίδι, τὸ δὲ βασιλικῇ]
Cf. Soph. 221 6: νευστικοῦ μέ-
ρους, τὸ δὲ πεζοῦ τέμνοντες (where
see note). Phedo 105 e:
Δμουσον, ἔφη, τὸ δὲ ἄδικον. τὸ,
Se. εἶδος.
10. ἀρ. καὶ ὀλιγ.7 Se. διαιροῦσιν.
15. αὐτῆς] Resuming δημο-
κρατίας, which is placed at the
beginning for emphasis.
Ρ. 29}
p- 29
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 151
» ‘ 53 , ΄- “ « σι δὺς
92. ὀρθὴν εἶναι τούτοις τοῖς ὅροις ὁρισθεῖσαν, ἑνὶ καὶ
ον Ν - Ν ΄ Ν / Ν ad
ολίγοις καὶ πολλοῖς, καὶ πλούτῳ καὶ πενίᾳ, καὶ τῷ
/ Ν «ε / Ν \ 4 Ν yA
βιαίῳ καὶ ἑκουσίῳ, καὶ μετὰ γραμμάτων καὶ ἄνευ
/ / /
νόμων ξυμβαίνουσαν γίγνεσθαι ;
» NE. 3Q. Τί γὰρ δὴ καὶ κωλύει ;
5
EE. Σκόπει δὴ σαφέστερον, τῇδε ἑπόμενος.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Πῃ:
— eae / \ / / > a
ΞΕ. Τῷ ῥηθέντι κατὰ πρώτας πότερον ἐμμενοῦμεν
ἢ διαφωνήσομεν ;
NE. ΣΏ. Τῷ δὴ ποίῳ λέγεις ; 10
= A \ \ “ “ 5
SE. Τὴν βασιλικὴν ἀρχὴν τῶν ἐπιστημῶν εἶναί
y >
τινα ἐεφαμεν, οἶμαι.
NEO. Ναί.
— / 2 « a A \
ΞΕ. Καὶ τούτων ye οὐχ ἁπασῶν, ἀλλὰ κριτικὴν
uA Ἂν Ν. 3 Ἂ » “ BA Uf
δήπου τινὰ καὶ ἐπιστατικὴν ἐκ τῶν ἄλλων προειλό- 15
μεθα.
2. τῷ βιαίῳ καὶ ἑκουσίῳ] CE
Arist. Pol. III. 1: ὡς ἐνίας τῶν
πολιτειῶν τῷ κρατεῖν οὔσας, ἀλλ᾽
οὐ διὰ τὸ κοίνῃ συμφέρειν.
3. καὶ--- γίγνεσθαι] Plato re-
verts to the main construction
(here participial) instead of add-
ing another dependent clause.
The words pera—ypapparav—
γίγνεσθαι stand in apposition to
τούτοις---ὁρισθεῖσαν.
μετὰ γραμμάτων καὶ ἄνευ νό-
pov] Note the variety of ex-
pression. The laws are spoken
of with some contempt as
mere γράμματα, and are thus
compared to written rules of
art. Compare Phedr. 258 a,
Gorg. 451 b: of ἐν τῷ δήμῳ
συγγραφόμενοι. Lege. 9, 858 ¢:
γράμματα μέν που καὶ ἐν γράμμασι
λόγοι καὶ ἄλλων εἰσὶ πολλῶν ἐν
st
“Ss
ταῖς πόλεσι γεγραμμένοι, γράμματα
δὲ καὶ τὰ τοῦ νομοθέτου καὶ λόγοι.
Ib. 9ο57 ¢. The expression is
often used also by Aristotle in
the Politics.
8. κατὰ πρώτας] A parallel
idiom to κατὰ μόνας. κατὰ as in
κατ᾽ ἀρχάς. Some such word as
ὑποθέσεις may be here supplied.
11. τῶν ἐπιστημῶν εἶναί τινα]
Supr. 258 b.
14. KpiTikny τινα καὶ ἐπιστατι-
knv| ‘One which is at once
critical and commanding.” This
appears from 260 a, where,
however, κριτική, or rather γνω-
στική, and ἐπιτακτικὴ, are the
terms opposed. Compare supr.
ΠΡ Ca ΘΟΡΠ 225 "Κ΄ “5110
where there is a similar verbal
inexactness of reference.
2
But scien-
{πῆς go-
vernment
is not se-
cured by
the rulers
being
many, few
or one,
rich or
poor, or by
their rule
being com-
pulsory or
voluntary.
We have
still, then,
to discover
under
which of
these forms
there is
contained
132
NE, 2Q. Nai.
mE. Kak τῆς
2, \ \ ὡς / Ν Ν al \ ‘\
ἔργοις, τὴν δὲ ἐπὶ ζώοις. καὶ κατὰ τοῦτον δὴ τὸν
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
> a ‘ \ ee. 5 /
ἐπιστατικῆς τὴν μὲν ἐπ ἀψύχοις
/ / Ver ROS / » ,
τρόπον μερίζοντες δεῦρ᾽ ἀεὶ προεληλύθαμεν, ἐπιστή-
᾽ , \ “ ϑὦ ge a
5 ns οὐκ ἐπιλανθανόμενοι, TO δ᾽ ἥτις οὐχ ἱκανῶς TH
΄ὔ /
δυνάμενοι διακριβώσασθαι.
NE. 2Q. Λέγεις ὀρθῶς.
"ΠῚ ay n°? SN / Ὁ. 5 a [2 \ “
μ- Le OUT αὐτο Τοινυν αρ εννόοουμέεν, OTL TOV ορον
/ \ / \ Χ « / xa\ Ν
οὐκ ὀλίγους οὐδὲ πολλούς, οὐδὲ τὸ ἑκούσιον οὐδὲ τὸ
» / > \ / > \ a / Ν
το ἀκούσιον, οὐδὲ πενίαν οὐδὲ πλοῦτον γίγνεσθαι περὶ
5 “ / 5 4 5 id + 5
αὐτῶν χρεὼν, ἀλλα τινα ἐπιστήμην ; εἴπερ ἀκολου-
θήσομεν τοῖς πρόσθεν :
NE. ΣΩ. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν
ποιεῖν.
σὰ πο 5. ἡ \
TOUTO γε ἀδύνατον μὴ
» » Χ an A 7
SE. “EE ἀνάγκης δὴ viv τοῦτο οὕτω σκεπτέον,
> / \ / 5 / / /
ἐν τίνι ποτὲ τούτων ἐπιστήμη ξυμβαίνει γίγνεσθαι
Ν 2 » 3 a N a , \
περὶ ἀνθρώπων ἀρχῆς, σχεδὸν τῆς χαλεπωτατης καὶ
μεγίστης κτήσασθαι.
/ , 5 /
σώμεθα τίνας ἀφαιρετέον
2. τὴν μὲν----τὴν δὲ] προειλό-
μεθα cannot be repeated here,
but some notion contained in
this verb, such as ἐθέμεθα, must
be supplied.
5. τὸ δ᾽ a7ymis| aan e fameAeschi:
Prom. 765: τί δ᾽ ὅντιν᾽ ;
8. τὸν ὅρον] “ The distin-
guishing principle of the state.”
Cf. supr. τούτοις τοῖς ὅροις. Rep.
8,551 ΘΟ: ὅρος αὐτῆς (τῆς ὀλι-
γαρχίας) οἷός ἐστιν. Lege. τ, 626
b: ὃν γὰρ ὅρον ἔθου τῆς εὖ πολι-
τευομένης πόλεως.
11. αὐτῶν͵] Neut.
13. τοῦτό γε] Se. ἀκουλουθεῖν
τοῖς πρόσθεν.
δεῖ γὰρ ἰδεῖν αὐτήν, ἵνα θεα-
3 ἈΝ “ /
amo Tov φρονιμου βασι-
16. ἐν τίνι ποτὲ τούτων] For
the irony of this, compare the
Search for Justice in the State,
Rep. 2, 363 ὃ:
πλείων ἂν δικαιοσύνη ἐν τῷ μείζονι
ἐνείη καὶ ῥάων καταμαθεῖν. Ib.
5.13.6:
17. ἀνθ. ἀρχῆς, τῆς χαλεπωτά-
της ---κτήσασθα) There is a
strong emphasis on ἀνθρώπων.
Cf. Theet. 174 ἃ : δυσκολώτερον
δὲ ἐκείνων ζῶον Kai ἐπιβουλότερον
ποιμαίνειν τε καὶ βδάλλειν νο-
μίζει αὐτούς. See also Xen.
Cyrop. I. 1.
18. αὐτήν] Se. τὴν περὶ ἀν.
ἄρχ. ἐπιστήμην.
+ ’
Ισως τοινυν
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
VO
»)» ἃ a \ 3 Ν Ν 7
02. λέως, οἱ προσποιοῦνται μεν εἰναι πολιτικοὶ καὶ πεί-
93
.
> \ lal
θουσι πολλούς, εἰσὶ δὲ ovdapas.
NE, ΣΩΏ. Δεῖ γὰρ δὴ ποιεῖν τοῦτο, ὡς ὁ λόγος
ἡμῖν προείρηκεν.
an 3 a lal , / /
HE. Μῶν οὖν δοκεῖ πλῆθος ye ἐν πόλει ταὐτὴν 5
Ἀ / \ “Cy 7
τὴν ἐπιστήμην δυνατὸν εἰναι κτήσασθαι ;
NE. ΣΩ. Καὶ πώς;
mE. ᾿Αλλ᾽ dpa ἐν χιλιάνδρῳ πόλει δυνατὸν ἑκα-
,. ὮΝ Ν 2 Sa c a /
TOV TWAS ἢ Καὶ TEVTYKOVTA αὐτὴν lKAV@S KT1)-
σασθαι:
NE. 30. ‘Paorn μέντ᾽ ἂν οὕτω γ᾽ εἴη πασῶν τῶν
“ 5) N 7 - 3,
τεχνῶν" ἴσμεν γὰρ ὅτι χιλίων ἀνδρῶν ἄκροι πεττευ-
a7 Ν \ > ° + σ
ταὶ τοσοῦτοι πρὸς τοὺς ἐν τοῖς ἄλλοις “λλησιν οὐκ
δ , / 7 Ν a
ἂν γένοιντο ποτε, μὴ TL δὴ βασιλεῖς ye.
δεῖ γὰρ δὴ
/ Χ \ yf 3 ῇ ΒΩ 9 ¥
Tov γε τὴν βασιλικὴν ἔχοντα ἐπιστήμην, ἂν T ἄρχῃ
Ν aN , N ὮΝ y / “
καὶ ἐὰν pln, κατὰ τὸν ἐμπροσθε λόγον ὅμως βασι-
XN ,
λικὸν προσαγορεύεσθαι.
= aA ᾽ , clus, VS
EE. Καλῶς ἀπεμνημόνευσας. ἑπόμενον δὲ οἶμαι
, δὰ δ > bn; 3 Χ δ ΟΣ \ Ν δύ
τούτῳ τὴν μὲν ορθην ἀρχὴν περὶ Eva τινὰ καὶ OVO
5. πλῆθός γε] “The people
at least.” I.e. “ Whoever else
has wisdom, do you think the
masses have it?” Cf. Rep. 6,
494 a: φιλόσοφον μὲν apa—
πλῆθος ἀδύνατον εἶναι.
13. τοσοῦτοι] Se. ἕκατον ἢ πεν-
τήκοντα.
πρὸς--“Βλλησιν] “ First-rate
as compared with those in
the rest of Greece.” Even
these few are still judged,
therefore, by a relative stand-
ard.
14. μή τι δὴ---γε1] Cf. Dem.
ΘΙ: ἢ 29: δ᾽ αὐτὸν
ἀργοῦντα οὐδὲ τοῖς φίλοις ἐπιτάτ-
τειν ὑπὲρ αὐτοῦ τι ποιεῖν, μήτι γε
> “᾿
OUK €EVL
δὴ τοῖς θεοῖς (Passow, 5. v. μή).
Compare Rep. 2, 374: ἢ οὕτω
ῥάδιον ὥστε---ἄξια. And for the
general tenour of this passage,
Rep. 4, 428, Cratyl. 389 a:
ὁ νομοθέτης, ὃς δὴ τῶν δημιουρ-
γῶν σπανιώτατος ἐν ἀνθρώποις
γίγνεται.
16. κατὰ τὸν ἔμπροσθε λόγον]
Viz. 259 a.
18. ἑπόμενον ---τούτῳ] These
words are in apposition.
19. τὴν μὲν ὀρθὴν ἀρχὴν] The
context shews that ἀρχή is used
here generally of all authority.
Cf. Rep. 1, 342 6: οὐδ᾽ ἄλλος
οὐδεὶς ἐν οὐδεμίᾳ ἀρχῆ.
περὶ ἕνα τινὰ καὶ δύο]
Cf.
the hardest
of all ae-
quisitions,
the art of
governing
men, be-
fore we can
clear away
the rival
impostors
from the
true king,
The mul-
titude
cannot
have this
science.
Nor can
fifty in a
thousand
be found
possessed
of it.
The true
rulers,
then, if
more than
one, must
needs be
very few.
And whe-
ther they
be rich or
poor, whe-
ther their
subjects be
willing or
unwilling,
whether
they go-
vern with
or without
law, we
must es-
teem them
as such, so
long as
they rule
according
to the prin-
ciples of
their art,
134
Ν ΄ » σ΄ σ΄ Ν
καὶ παντάπασιν ὀλίγους δεῖ ζητεῖν, ὅταν ὀρθὴ γί- p.m
γνηται.
ΝΕ ΣΟΙ μὴν;
MAATOQNOZ
— / / SEF C257 x7 ᾽ /
ΞΕ, Τούτους δέ ye, ἐάν τε EKOVT@Y ἐὰν TE ἀκον-
ΕΣ Δ, ‘ 4 5 Ν yy
5 TMV αρχῶώσιν, εαν TE κατὰ γραμμᾶτα εαν TE ανεὺυ
/ Ν xX A Ὁ /
γραμμάτων, καὶ ἐὰν πλουτοῦντες ἢ TEVOMEVOL, νομι-
/ “ ΄ «ε 7 ‘ LA « cal
στέον. WOTTEP VUV nyovpeba, κατὰ TEXVHVY NVTWOVV
ἈΝ 3, \ \ [χά
ἀρχὴν ἄρχοντας. τοὺς ἰατροὺς δὲ οὐχ ἥκιστα νενομί-
Ἄ « / Cir 37 ec la al
καμεν, ἐᾶν TE ἑκόντας ἐὰν TE ἄκοντας ἡμᾶς ἰῶνται,
/ 3 / 327) a» ’ /
τοτέμνοντες ἢ καίοντες ἡ τινα ἄλλην ἀλγηδόνα προσ-
ἅπτοντες, καὶ ἐὰν κατὰ γράμματα ἢ χωρὶς γραμμά-
NIN / y Ἂ 7 ΄ »ῸΝ
τῶν. καὶ EGY TTEVIITES OVTES ἢ πλούσιοι, TTAVT@S οὐδὲν
- > / oS Ἂ » fal /
YTTOV LAT POVS φαμεν, εῶσπεέερ ἂν ἐπιστάτουντες TEXYNs
Phileb. 66 Ὁ : περὶ μέτρον καὶ τὸ
μέτριον καὶ ὅποσα χρὴ τοιαῦτα
νομίζειν τὴν ἀΐδιον ἡρῆσθαι φύσιν.
6. πλουτοῦντες ἢ πενόμενοι]
Cf. τ Ale. 107 ©: ἄν τε πένης ἄν
τε πλούσιος 7 ὁ παραινῶν οὐδὲν
διοίσει᾽ Αθηναίοις ὅταν----βουλεύων-
ται πῶς ἂν ὑγιαίνοιεν, ἀλλὰ ζητοῦ-
σιν ἰατρὸν εἶναι τὸν σύμβουλον.
νομιστέον---ἄρχοντας] ἄρχοντας
is to be taken twice in con-
struing. “They must be es-
teemed as rulers, whatever rule
it be which they conduct ac-
cording to art.”
8. νενομίκαμεν͵]ἢ[]ἠ The verb is
resumed in φάμεν below. Cf.
Soph. 230 ¢, d: νομίζοντες γὰρ
ὦ παῖ---πλείω δὲ py, and note.
ἰατρούς is to be repeated in
thought after νενομίκαμεν : or the
verb is perhaps used absolutely,
as in νομίζειν θεούς. Cf. Rep. 5,
476 ὦ Gorg. 466 b. “ And
physicians more especially we
allow to rank as such, whether
they heal us with or against
our will, by incision or cautery,
or by the application of any
other pain,” (these words τέμνον-
τες---προσάπτοντες are explana-
tory of ἄκοντας,) “with or with-
out written precepts, in po-
verty or wealth,—in every case
we call them equally physi-
cians, so long as those who
minister preside according to
art over that to which they
minister, and preserve the same
by purging and reducing, or
by adding flesh, if only they
do this for the good of the
bodies which they make better
from being worse.” (Perhaps
however the sentence was at
first intended to run νενομίκα-
μεν ----φάναι = “‘ We are accus-
tomed—to speak,” ἅς.) The
meaning is further perplexed
by the redundancy of ἂν μόνον in
the same construction as ἕωσ-
περ av with σώζωσιν. Compare
Rep. 7, 529 b: ἐγὼ yap ad—
μανθάνῃ.
᾿
|
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 195
/ 5) y , / "} iN ᾽ ,
καθαίροντες εἴτε ἀλλως ἰσχναίνοντες εἴτε καὶ αὐξά-
a‘ / pyres δ, Ὁ vad ἴω a , 7
νοντες, ἂν μόνον ἐπ᾿ ἀγαθῷ τῷ τῶν σωμάτων, βελτίω
lal / td / o
ποίιουντες ἐκ χέεέίρονων, σώζωσιν οι θεραπεύοντες ἕκα-
Ν / , / € 9 Ν
στοι τὰ θεραπευόμενα. ταύτῃ θήσομεν, ὡς οἰμαι, καὶ
> »” A “ > \ 3 7 » va Ν
οὐκ ἄλλῃ, τοῦτον ὅρον ὀρθὸν εἶναι μονον ἰατρικῆς καὶ 5
ἄλλης ἡστινοσοῦν ἀρχῆς.
NE. 20. Κομιδῇ μὲν οὖν.
μ---ἰὶ ᾽ a \ : A ε "7 ͵,
GE. ᾿Αναγκαῖον δὴ καὶ πολιτειῶν, ὡς ἔοικε, ταύ-
> Ν 7 cy ἧς / / >
τὴν ὀρθὴν διαφερόντως εἶναι καὶ μονὴν πολιτείαν, ἐν
@ A ἘΠ Ν ey > a ᾽ ΄
ἢ τις GV EVPLOKOL τοὺς ἀρχονταὰς ἀληθῶς ἐπιστήμονας
κ᾿ > > , ΄ \ , 27
καὶ οὐ δοκοῦντας μόνον, ἐᾶν TE KATA νόμους ἐᾶν TE
A / A Cee Oe Ἃ
ἄνευ νόμων ἄρχωσι, καὶ ἑκόντων καὶ ἀκόντων, ἢ πε-
/ ‘ a % 7 e 7 > A
YOMEVOL ἢ πλουτοῦντες" τούτων ὑπολογιστέον οὐδὲν
3 a 3 » 3 7 » /
οὐδαμῶς εἶναι κατ᾽ οὐδεμίαν ὀρθότητα.
NE. 2Q. Καλώς.
— Ν 7 , 3 , \
GE. Καὶ ἐάν τέ ye ἀποκτιννύντες Twas
“Ὁ Ν
ἢ καὶ
» fe , - Χ ΄ 3,
ἐκβάλλοντες καθαίρωσιν ἐπ᾿ ἀγαθῷ τὴν πολιν, εἴτε
ΩΝ / © / a Υ͂ /
καὶ ἀποικίας οἷον σμήνη μελιττῶν ἐκπέμποντές ποι
4. ταύτῃ----ἄλλῃ] “ This, and
no other, will be our decision,
that ”—.
5. τοῦτον ὅρον] Se. τὸ
τέχνῃ καὶ ἐπ᾿ ἀγαθῷ ἄρχειν
τῶν ἀρχομένων. The doctrine
of this passage coincides with
Hege. 45 cf. esp. 712 e: ἃς δ᾽
ὠνομάκαμεν νῦν, οὐκ εἰσὶ πολιτεῖαι,
πολέων δὲ οἰκήσεις δεσποζομένων
τε καὶ δουλευουσῶν μέρεσιν ἑαυτῶν
Ib. γ13 Ὁ: ἀρχή τε καὶ
οἴκησις----ἐπὶ Κρόνου pad εὐδαί-
μῶν, is μίμημα ἔχουσά ἐστιν ἥτις
τῶν νῦν ἄριστα οἰκεῖται. Ib. 715
b. Compare the rejection of the
false pleasures in Phileb. 51 a.
τοῦτον---ἀρχῆη}] This clause
is an explanatory resumption
of ταύτῃ.
τισίν.
9. καὶ μόνην πολιτείαν] “ And
alone deserving of the name.”
11. δοκοῦντας] I. 6. ἐπιστή-
μονας δοκοῦντας, like δεινότητες
δοκοῦσαι in Theet. 176 d.
12. καὶ----καὶ] “Whether—or.”
Note the variety of expres-
s1on.
13. ὑπολογιστέον] Cf. Rep.
I, 341 d: οὐδὲν, οἶμαι, τοῦτο
ὑπολογιστέον, ὅτι πλεῖ ἐν TH νηΐ,
οὐδ᾽ ἐστὶ κλητέος ναύτης" οὐ γὰρ
κατὰ τὸ πλεῖν κυβερνήτης καλεῖται
ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὴν τέχνην καὶ τὴν τῶν
ναυτῶν ἀρχήν.
16. ἀποκτίννυντες ---- ἐκβάλλον-
tes] Cf. Gorg. 468.
17. καθαίρωσιν] Cf. Legg. 5,
735, Rep. 7, 540 6.
ο
σι
whatever
that art
may be.
That is the
only true
form of go-
vernment,
which has
scientific
rulers.
And as the
physician
is no less
esteemed,
whether he
heal us
with or
without our
will and by
whatever
means ; so
the ruler
is no less
a ruler,
though his
subjects be
unwilling,
if he suc-
ceed in
preserving
them and
making
them better
men ; whe-
ther he
have re-
course to
banish-
ment, or
emizration,
or the im-
portation
of fresh
citizens.
Young
Socrates is
scandalized
by the pro-
position
that there
may be
good go-
vermment
without
law. He is
answered,
that al-
though le-
gislation
is certainly
a function
of the king,
yet the best ,
conceiy-
able go-
vernment
would be
the supre-
macy, not
of the laws,
σι
190
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
ee -
/ -“ » / 4 AL
σμικροτέραν ποιῶσιν, ἢ τινας ἐπεισαγομενοί ποθεν p. ay’
y 357 / ΄- > ‘\ 57
ἄλλους ἔξωθεν, πολίτας ποιοῦντες, αὑτὴν αὔξωσιν,
aS Ἃ > / Ν a / tf
ἕωσπερ ἂν ἐπιστήμῃ καὶ τῷ δικαίῳ προσχρώμενοι,
/ > / / a \ /
σώζοντες, εκ χείρονος βελτίω ποιῶσι κατα δύναμιν,
/ vA Ν \ \ / cd Cr.
5STAUTNVY ΤΟΤΕ Καὶ KATH τοὺς Τοιουτοὺυς ορους μιν
, \ 53 td / “ \
μόνην ὀρθὴν πολιτείαν εἶναι ῥητέον. ὅσας de ἄλλας
/ » / > Sy 7 / Ν
λέγομεν, οὐ γνησίας οὐδ᾽ ὄντως οὔσας λεκτέον, ἀλλὰ
μεμιμημένας ταύτην, ἃς. μὲν ὡς εὐνόμους λέγομεν,
> \ ! Ν \ 7 Ν \
ἐπὶ Ta καλλίω, Tas δὲ ἄλλας ἐπὶ τὰ αἰσχίονα με-
10 μιμῆσθαι.
ΝΕ. 2Q. Τὰ μὲν ἄλλα, ὦ ξένε, μετρίως ἔοικεν
‘end Ν \ Ἂς SA / fal yy
εἰρῆσθαι: τὸ δὲ Kal ἄνευ νόμων δεῖν ἄρχειν χαλε-
/ ’ / > /
πώτερον ἀκούειν ἐρρηθη.
ΞΕ. Σμικρόν γε ἔφθης με ἐρόμενος, ὦ Σώκρατες.
ay i“ / a / 5
ἔμελλον yap σε διερωτήσειν ταῦτα πότερον ἀποδέχει
7 yy Ν / a / lo) \
πάντα, ἢ τι καὶ δυσχεραίνεις τῶν λεχθέντων" νῦν δὲ
+ XN (vf a / Ν ἣν val lal
ἤδη φανερὸν ore τοῦτο βουλησομεθα τὸ περὶ τῆς τῶν
δ᾽ ’ ᾽ i? Ε) / lol « ΄σ
ἄνευ νόμων ἀρχόντων ὀρθότητος διελθεῖν ἡμᾶς.
I. σμικροτέραν ποιῶσιν] This
answers to ἰσχναίνοντες above.
3. ἐπιστήμῃ καὶ τῷ δικαίῳ]
Which in regard to politics
are the same. Cf. Thezet. 150
a: ἀλλὰ διὰ τὴν ἄδικόν τε καὶ
ἄτεχνον ξυναγωγήν κ.τ.λ.
ie λέγομεν] Se. πολιτείας.
9. ἐπὶ τὰ αἰσχίονα] ΟἿ.
Phileb. 40 6: ἡδοναὶ μεμιμη-
μέναι τὰς ἀληθεῖς ἐπὶ τὰ γελοι-
ότερα.
μεμιμῆσθαι | There is a
return from the participial to
the direct construction. In
the above sentences there is
assumed the same analogy be-
tween the individual and the
state, the body natural and the
body politic, which is largely
applied in the Republic. The
notion of “the physician in-
creasing the body” is obviously
suggested by the parallel of the
state.
12, τὸ δὲ---ἐρρήθη] The formal
courtesy of these words, like
much else in this dialogue, ap-
proaches the style of the Laws.
17. θουλησόμεθα---διελθεῖν ἡμᾶς]
The first person being used for
the second (cf. Thezet. sub fin.,
κυοῦμεν. Supr. 283 6: ap’ av
βουλοίμεθα), the subject of Bou-
λησόμεθα is not the same as
that of διελθεῖν, hence the accus.
ἡμᾶς.
τῆς--- ὀρθότητος] “ The right-
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 597
NE. ΣΩ. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ;
A o A a
SE. 'Τρόπον τινὰ μέντοι δῆλον ὅτι τῆς βασιλικῆς
> Ν « 7 Ν τ > \ /
ἐστὶν ἢ vomoberiKn? τὸ δ᾽ ἄριστον οὐ τοὺς vopous
> 3, Ν Ν ’ὔ
ἐστὶν ἰσχύειν, ἀλλ᾽ ἄνδρα τὸν μετὰ φρονήσεως βασι-
/ 5 ©
Auxov. οἰσθ᾽ orn;
ι
NE. ΣΩ. Πῇ δὴ λέγεις:
— ov , » , , ¥
EE. Ὅτι νύμος οὐκ av ποτε δύναιτο τὸ τε ἄριστον
Ν Χ i? 3 lo lal “ Χ \
καὶ TO δικαιότατον ἀκριβῶς πᾶσιν ἅμα περιλαβὼν TO
΄ὔ e \ 5 Me ~
βελτιστον ἐπιτάττειν αἱ yap ἀνομοιότητες τῶν TE
ness of rulers without laws.”
I. e. How it can ever be right
to govern without laws ?
2. μέντοι] “ Certainly.” Giv-
ing assent to something which
qualifies the foregoing asser-
tion ; as in Soph. 245 Ὁ: ἀλη-
θέστατα μέντοι λέγεις. Symp.
176 b: τοῦτο μέντοι εὖ λέγεις.
4. ἀλλ᾽ ἄνδρα --- βασιλικόν]
“ But the man who, having
wisdom, is capable of sovereign
rule.”
5. ὅπῃ] Se. ἀριστόν ἐστιν.
η. Ὅτι] ““ Because.”
Ὅτι νόμος οὐκ ἂν δύναιτοϊ ΟἿ,
Arist. Pol. ΠῚ 10: ᾿Αρχὴ δ᾽
ἐστὶ τῆς ζητήσεως αὕτη, πότερον
συμφέρει μᾶλλον ὑπὸ τοῦ ἀρίστου
ἀνδρὸς βασιλεύεσθαι ἢ ὑπὸ τῶν
ἀρίστων νόμων.
νομίζουσι συμφέρειν βασιλεύεσθαι
τὸ καθόλου μόνον ὁ νόμος λέγειν,
ἀλλ’ οὐ πρὸς τὰ προσπίπτοντα
Δοκεῖ δὴ τοῖς
> ~ ΄
ἐπιτάττειν" ὥστ᾽ ἐν ὁποιᾳοῦν τέχνῃ
" > ,
τὸ κατὰ γράμματα ἄρχειν ἠλίθιον.
Κ ἊΝ 15 Αἱ , \ \ U
αἱ ἐν Αἰγύπτῳ μετὰ τὴν τετρή
ae ς ἘΠ ΤΣ ΠΕ τα
μερον κινεῖν ἔξεστι τοῖς ἰατροῖς"
ἐὰν δὲ πρότερον, ἐπὶ τῷ αὐτοῦ
, 3 r r
κινδύνῳ. ᾿Αλλὰ μὴν κἀκεῖνον δεῖ
ς , A , ‘A ,
ὑπάρχειν τὸν λόγον τὸν καθόλου
κ + > i
τοῖς ἄρχουσι κρεῖττον δ᾽ ᾧ μὴ
πρόσεστι τὸ παθητικὸν ὅλως, ἢ ᾧ
συμφιές.
~ ‘ > ΄ ~
To μεν οὖν νόμῳ τοῦτο
ε ε
οὐχ ὑπάρχει, Ψυχὴν δ᾽ ἀνθρωπίνην
ἀνάγκη τοῦτ᾽ ἔχειν πᾶσαν. "ANN
ἴσως ἄν φαίη τις ὡς ἀντὶ τούτου
βουλεύσεται περὶ τῶν καθ᾽ ἕκαστα
κάλλιον. Aristotle concludes
that there must be a lawgiver
and laws: which, however,
must not be absolute where
they do not rightly apply. And
there must obviously be an au-
thority to determine cases not
provided for by the laws.
Should this authority be many,
few, or one? The many are
more difficult to corrupt—as
much water is less easily fouled
than littl—but are less likely
to care for the preservation of
existing laws. One is better
than a few, because the few
are hable to division. See
Plat. Legg. 9, 875.
7. τό τε ἄριστον----ἐπιτάττειν
The dative πᾶσιν depends
equally on περιλαβὼν and ἐπι-
τάττειν. Having comprehended
exactly what is noblest and
most righteous for all, at once
to appoint what is best for all.
9. ai yap ἀνομοιότητες ἡντι-
νοῦν] “ For the dissimilarities
both of men and actions, and
what may be termed the abso-
lute unrest of human things,
ὡς T
but of a
wise and
soverelon
will, The
reason 15
that a fixed
law can
never be
exactly
applicable
to the infi-
nite variety
and com-
plexity of
human
affairs.
5
Law is like
a stupid
and wilful
man, who
insists at
all hazards,
in spite of
circum-
stances, on
obedience
to his com-
mands.
15
W hence
arises,then,
the neces-
sity of ma-
king laws? 20
This is
shewn by
an ex-
ample.
138
> / Ν lal / Ν Ν / /
ἀνθρώπων καὶ TOV πράξεων καὶ τὸ μηδέποτε μηδέν, Ρ. 26
ε Μ“ἷ > a «ς / 4 σ > / Iat
WS €7TOS ELTTELV, NTVXLAV αγειν Τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων οὐδεν
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\ , > / xm OC an aA
τὸν χρόνον ἀποφαίνεσθαι τέχνην οὐδ᾽ ἡντινοῦν. ταῦτα
δὴ συγχωροῦμέν που ;
ΝΠ ΣΟ, 7 μην:
« vad Ν
HE. Τὸν δέ γε νόμον ὁρῶμεν σχεδὸν ἐπ᾽ αὐτὸ
Lal / “ \ 577 3 / Ν
τοῦτο ξυντείνοντα, ὥσπερ τινὰ ἄνθρωπον αὐθάδη καὶ
» ‘a Ν / \ an lal Ν Ν
ἀμαθῆ καὶ μηδένα μηδὲν ἐῶντα ποιεῖν παρὰ τὴν
3, / \ XN / δ Ἐς Δ.
ἄρα τῷ ξυμβαίνῃ βέλτιον παρὰ Tov λογον ὃν avTos
> 7
ETETAEED.
NE. 2Q. ᾿Αληθῆ: ποιεῖ yap ἀτεχνῶς, καθάπερ
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
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10 €AUTOU τάξιν, μηδ ETEPOT AV μηδένα, μηδ᾽ av τι νέον
Sy an ε ,ὔ ς« α ΕἸΣ
εἰρῆκας νυν, O νομος ἡμιν εκαστοις.
» an DS 2 SS \ jf
EE. Οὐκοῦν ἀδύνατον εὖ ἔχειν πρὸς τὰ μηδέποτε
ε vad NS \ ἊΝ / ε a
ἁπλᾶ TO Ola παντὸς γιγνόμενον ἁπλοῦν ;
NE. >Q. Κινδυνεύει.
Q , , > 5 ᾽ A =
ZE. Διὰ τί δή ποτ᾽ οὖν ἀναγκαῖον νομοθετεῖν,
3 , 5 > / « 7 5 Tj /
ἐπειδηπερ οὐκ ὀρθότατον ὁ νόμος ; ἀνευρετέον τούτου
XN
/
τὴν αἰτίαν.
NE. 50. Ti uty;
| 5) a Ν τ 5 > / - Se.
=. Οὐκοῦν καὶ παρ ὑμῖν εἰσι τινες, οἷαι καὶ ἐν
(join μηδὲν τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων,)
suffer no art whatever to lay
down in any matter any simple
rule which shall be applicable
to all cases for all time.” Cf.
Theeet. 180 a.
4. ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ τοῦτο] Se. τὸ
ἁπλοῦν τι ἀποφήνασθαι περὶ ἀπάν-
τῶν καὶ ἐπὶ πάντα τὸν χρόνον.
ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸ τοῦτο ξυντείνοντα]
“ Bending all his energies to
this.”
8. ὥσπερ k.T.A.|
Hi. g. the
Creon of Sophocles. Cf. Antig.
795-723.
10. μηδ᾽ av τι----ἐπέταξεν] “ Not
even if some fresh thing, differ-
ent from the terms of his en-
actment, should happen to be
better for some individual.”
For συμβαίνῃ βέλτιον, cf. infr.
295 C: συμβαινόντων ἄλλων Bed-
τιόνων τοῖς κάμνουσιν.
16. διὰ παντὸς] Se. τοῦ χρόνον.
22. Οὐκοῦν καὶ παρ᾽ ὑμῖν] This
is one of the places where we
c
d
|
ἡ
!
a]
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
139
y+ / > > , ",
94. ἄλλαις πόλεσιν, ἀθρύων ἀνθρώπων ἀσκήσεις, εἴτε
Ν ,ὔ 3, 3, o
πρὸς δρόμον εἴτε πρὸς ἄλλο τι, φιλονεικίας ἕνεκα ;
NE. 2Q. Καὶ πάνυ γε πολλαί.
μ- ἴω ἴω
HE. Φέρε νῦν ἀναλάβωμεν πάλιν μνήμῃ τὰς τῶν
4 / , ᾽ va / >
τέχνῃ γυμναζόντων ἐπιτάξεις EV ταῖς τοιαύταις ἀρ-
χαΐῖς.
NE. ΣΩ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
al ͵ vay > - lal »
EE. Ὅτι λεπτουργεῖν οὐκ ἐγχωρεῖν ἡγοῦνται καθ
a “ a 7 Ν a « 7
ενα EKAOTOY, T@ σώματι TO 7 POO1)KOV EKAOT@ 7 POO ~
7 3 \ / / “ « ΒΝ Ν
τάττοντες, ἀλλὰ παχύτερον οἴονται δεῖν ὡς ἐπὶ τὸ
miss the dramatic liveliness of
Plato’s earlier style. The scene
of these dialogues is a paleestra.
But this can hardly have been
present to the author’s mind
when these words were written.
Unless the Stranger is sup-
posed, like the philosophers in
the Theztetus, to be wholly
ignorant of what is going on
around him.
I. ἀθρόων --- ἀσκήσει) Cf.
Legg. 12, 942 ὁ: ἀθρόον ἀεὶ καὶ
ἅμα καὶ κοινὸν τὸν βίον ὃ τι μά-
λιστα πᾶσι πάντων γίγνεσθαι.
ἀσκήσεις The abstract word
is used, as supr. 264 b: τιθα-
σείαις τῶν ἰχθύων --- χηνοβωτίας
--γερανοβωτίας.
4. ἀναλάβωμεν ---- μνήμῃ,: CF.
Phileb. 34 b.
5. ἀρχαῖς] The word is used
in the most general sense. Cf.
Rep. 1, 345 €: ἔν τε πολιτικῇ
καὶ ἰδιωτικῇἢ ἀρχῆ. Ib. 343 d:
πᾶσαν ἀρχὴν, καθ᾽ ὅσον ἀρχή.
And for the plur., οἵ. Prot.
354 Ὁ: σωτήριαι καὶ ἄλλων ἀρχαί.
Supr. 293 ¢, alib.
7. Τὸ ποῖον ;|
spect ?”
8. λεπτουργεῖν] “To work in
*
“ In what re-
T
minute detail.” The word is
used above, 262 b, of dividing
too minutely at the beginning
of an inquiry. The only other
passage where the word oc-
curs in classical Greek is Eur.
Hippol. 923, where it is ap-
plied to subtlety in discourse.
Another coincidence between
the language of these dia-
logues and that of the trage-
dians.
10. παχύτερον] Opposed to
λεπτουργεῖν. “In larger masses.
More in the gross.” Cf. supr.
277 a-c. Contrast Aristotle’s
view, that the work of the
gymnast and physician regards
the individual—padrkov δ᾽ ἴσως
τὴν τοῦδε, Kad’ ἕκαστον yap ἰα-
Eth. Nic. I. 4.
παχύτερον --- ὡς ἐπὶ τὸ πολὺ]
We find an echo of these words
in the language of Aristotle,
ἘΠ INGE 1 τς:
\ 4 0:9 ΄ ΄
περὶ τοιούτων καὶ ἐκ τοιούτων λέ-
,
TPEVEL,
: Εἰ
ἀγαπητὸν οὖν
γοντας παχυλῶς καὶ τύπῳ τἀληθὲς
ἐνδείκνυσθαι, καὶ περὶ τῶν ὡς ἐπὶ
τὸ πολὺ καὶ ἐκ τοιούτων λέ-
γοντας τοιαῦτα καὶ συμπεραίνε-
σθαι.
Ὁ
“-
σι
He who
trains men
for athletic
contests
does not
adapt his
precepts to
each indi-
vidual case,
(that would
be impos-
sible,) but
is con-
tented with
preseribing
general
rules.
140 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
Ἀ τας \ Ν ΄- Cal “
πολὺ καὶ ἐπὶ πολλοὺς τὴν τοῦ λυσιτελοῦντος τοῖς p
/ lal ἾΊ Se
σώμασι ποιεῖσθαι τάξιν.
NE. 2Q. Καλώς.
Ν / Ν » / ΄ /
mE. Aw δὴ ye καὶ ἴσους πόνους viv διδόντες
5 ΄ “ \ ᾽ a “ \ Ν ,
5 ἀθρόοις ἅμα μὲν ἐξορμῶσιν, ἅμα δὲ Kal καταπαύουσι
/ / 7 “ Ν 3.8 7
δρόμου καὶ πάλης Kal πάντων TOV κατὰ τὰ σώματα
[2
πόνων.
NE. ΣΩ. Ἔστι ταῦτα.
‘ Lev \ ,ὔ / (3 7 Ν “
poe SE. Καὶ τὸν νομοθέτην τοίνυν ἡγώμεθα, Tov ταῖ-
giver, being 5 7 5 7 es 7 , τ ἐΞ
unable to ro σὰν ἀγέλαις ἐπιστατήσοντα τοῦ δικαίου πέρι καὶ τῶν
provide for
every case,
enactswhat ee ὃ ἢ Ἢ 4 a Pec
isgenerally σέσθαι πᾶσιν ἀθρόοις προστάττοντα ἀκριβῶς ἐνὶ
tor the
mpos ἀλλήλους ξυμβολαίων, μή ποθ᾽ ἱκανὸν γενή-
€ 7 Ν la 3 ΄
best. ἑκάστῳ TO προσῆκον ἀποδιδόναι.
Ν a ΄
NE. 2Q. To γοῦν εἰκὸς.
μ--ἰ Ν A a a 53 Ν διὰ
15 ΚΞ δ. ᾿Αλλὰ τὸ τοῖς πολλοῖς γε, οἶμαι, καὶ ὡς ἐπὶ
\ \ ε , 7 XN
TO πολὺ καί πως οὑτωσὶ παχυτέρως ἑκάστοις TOV
΄ , N 3 , ‘ > \ Ν >
νόμον θησει, καὶ ἐν ypappaowv ἀποδιδοὺς καὶ ἐν
3 7 / Ne, n
ἀγραμμάτοις, πατρίοις δὲ ἔθεσι νομοθετῶν.
NE. 2Q. Ὀρθώς.
— 9 an 7 A \ ¥ X ,
He who 20 EE. ᾿Ορθῶς μέντοι. πῶς yap ἂν τις ikavos ye-
could pro- 5 910 3 , σ \ / SN
vide for VolT av ποτε, ὦ Σώκρατες, ὥστε διὰ βίου ἀεὶ παρα-
every case, 7 ates 5 , \
could do καθήμενος ἑκάστῳ Ov ἀκριβείας προστάττειν TO προσ-
50, while ~ = x Ν “ “- ΡΞ κ᾿
present, NKOV ; ἐπεὶ TOUT ἂν δυνατὸς ὧν, ὡς οἶμαι, TOV τὴν
1. τὴν --- τάξ.] “To pre- 12. maow] The dative de-
scribe what is profitable for the
body.”
4. νῦν] “As the matter
stands.” Cf. supr. 291 e.
9. ταῖσιν ayedas| The lonic
form of the dat. plur. occurs
four times in this dialogue
(supr. 261 6, διπλασίοισι : 201 a,
τοιούτοισιν : infr. 304 6, ἑπομέ-
νοισιν), and often in the Timzeus
and Laws.
pends partly on ἱκανὸν and
partly on προστάττοντα ἀποδι-
δόναι.
15. τὸ τοῖς πολλοῖς γε] Se.
προσῆκον.
16. ἑκάστοις]
tion.”
17. ἀποδιδοὺς “ Exhibiting ;
prescribing.” Cf. supr. ἀποδι-
δόναι.
“ To each na-
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 141
Ν A ” > ΄, 4 7
95. βασιλικὴν ὁστισοῦν ὄντως ἐπιστήμην εἰληφότων,
σχολῇ ποτ᾽ ἂν ἑαυτῷ θεῖτ᾽ ἐμποδίσματα γράφων
τοὺς λεχθέντας τούτους νόμους.
NE. ΣΏ. Ἔκ τῶν νῦν γοῦν, ὦ ἕένε, εἰρημένων.
EE. Μᾶλλον δέ γε, ὦ βέλτιστε, ἐκ τῶν μελλόν- 5
των ῥηθήσεσθαι.
NE. 2Q. Τίνων δή;
ΞΕ. Τῶν τοιῶνδε. εἴπωμεν γὰρ δὴ πρός γε ἡμᾶς
αὐτοὺς ἰατρὸν μέλλοντα ἢ καί τινα γυμναστικὸν ἀπο-
lal \ 5 4 a / / c
δημεῖν καὶ ἀπέσεσθαι τῶν θεραπευομένων TvYXVOY, ὡς 10
7 ΄ \ / / \
οἴοιτο, χρόνον, μὴ μνημονεύσειν οἰηθέντα τὰ προστα-
/ Χ / Ἃ ἊΝ ’ὔ c
χθέντα τοὺς γυμναζομένους ἢ τοὺς κάμνοντας, ὑπο-
/ 7 Ων 5. » ΄ ΕΝ a
μνήματα γράφειν ἂν ἐθέλειν αὐτοῖς, ἢ πῶς ;
NE. 2Q. Οὕτως.
HE. Ti δέ; εἰ παρὰ δόξαν ἐλάττω χρόνον ἀπο- is
, χὰ ΄ CYS) 3 EN “-“ Ν
δημήσας ἔλθοι πάλιν, ap οὐκ ἂν παρ᾽ ἐκεῖνα τὰ
γράμματα τολμήσειεν ἄλλα ὑποθέσθαι, ξυμβαινον-
v / a , N , ᾿
Tov ἄλλων βελτιόνων τοῖς κάμνουσι διὰ πνεύματα ἢ
aN \ \ / “ ᾽ Χ ,
τι καὶ ἄλλο παρὰ τὴν ἐλπίδα τῶν ἐκ Διὸς ἑτέρως
3. τοὺς λεχθέντας τούτους νό-
pous|] Cf. infr. 299 c: εἰς δή
τι δικαστήριον, where there is
the same distant way of
speaking of what is familiarly
known.
8. εἴπωμεν---ἰατρὸν κιτ.λ.1 Cf.
Rep. 6, 488: νοήσωμεν --- vav-
κληρον κιτιλ. Theet. 159 Ὁ:
λέγωμεν δὴ ἐμέ τε καὶ σὲ κιτ.λ.
“Tet us put to ourselves the
case of a physician, ὅσο.
9. ἀποδημεῖν] The passage
recals the expression of Scrip-
ture: “ Going into a far coun-
try.” .The case of Solon is
probably in Plato’s mind.
10. ὡς οἴοιτο] The optative
is similarly used in putting a
supposed case, Rep. 2, 360 b:
οὐδεὶς ἂν γένοιτο, ὡς δόξειεν, ov-
Tas ἀδαμάντινος.
13. ἐθέλειν) Governed by
εἴπωμεν, which must be repeated
in thought.
15. Ti δέ ; εἰ] Bodl. τί δὴ.
16. παρ᾽ ἐκεῖνα----ὑποθέσθαι |
“To suggest other things not
contemplated in his former
prescriptions.”
18. διὰ πνεύματα---γενόμενα |
“On account of winds or other
heavenly influences which have
come unexpectedly out of the
usual course.” Note the alter-
nation of words.
by word
of mouth,
and would
not need to
hamper
himself
with writ-
ten laws.
But if such
anone were
going into
a far coun-
try, he
would pre-
scribe, like
a wise phy-
sician, what
on the
whole was
likely to be
for the best.
Yet, should
the physi-
cian come
back sooner
than he
expected,
would he
not venture
to contra-
vene his
own ordi-
nance, if
some un-
expected
change of
climate or
some other
circum-
stance
made a
different
course ex-
pedient for
his pa-
tients ?
And were
the law-
giver, or
another
like him,
to come
again on
earth, shall
he not be
Io
142
a > , 7 “- 4 ἃ ε “
πως τῶν εἰωθότων γενόμενα, καρτερῶν δ᾽ ἂν ἡγοῖτο P- 2)
MAATQNOZ
rad ‘ > 7 Ν > σ΄, 4 /
δεῖν μὴ ἐκβαίνειν τὰ apxaie ποτε νομοθετηθέντα punTeE
Φ ΩΝ , 3, / Ν / “
αὐτὸν προστάττοντα ἄλλα PTE τὸν κάμνοντα ἕτερα
ad \ \ / “- «ς lal 7
τολμῶντα παρὰ τὰ γραφέντα δρᾶν, ως TAUVTH OVTA
> \ Ν 6 ΄ὔ \ \ « 4 If 4
5ἰατρικὰ καὶ ὑγιεινά, Ta δὲ ἑτέρως γιγνόμενα νοσώδη
» »Μἶ > ἴω Ἂς “ vy 5»
ΤΕ καὶ ουκ εντέεχνᾶ 5 ἢ πᾶν TO TOLOUTOV EV Ye ΕΖ Γ-
/ “- ν > la / Ν “
στημῃ ξυμβαῖνον καὶ ἀληθεῖ τέχνῃ περὶ ἅπαντα
΄ / Ἂ ε , 7 lal ΄
παντάπασι γέλως av Ο μέγιστος γίγνοιτο τῶν TOLOU-
/
τῶν νομοθετημάτων 5
NE. ΣΏ. Παντάπασι μὲν οὖν.
΄σ Ν 3, Ν
EE. Τῷ δὲ τὰ δίκαια δὴ καὶ ἄδικα καὶ καλὰ καὶ
> \ Ν » \ Ν \ / Ν yy
αἰσχρὰ καὶ ἀγαθὰ καὶ κακὰ γράψαντι καὶ ἀγραῴφα
/ Qn Lal > 7 > / «ε ἤ
νομοθετησαντι ταῖς τῶν ἀνθρώπων ἀγέλαις, ὁπόσαι
\ Uy ΄ , \ \ ΄-
κατὰ πόλιν ἐν ἑκάσταις νομεύονται κατὰ τοὺς τῶν
I. καρτερῶν ---νομοθετημάτων ; |
“ But would think it right,
both for himself and the sick
man, stubbornly to avoid trans-
gressing the ancient laws once
given, he giving no new com-
mandment, and his patient not
daring to do otherwise than
was prescribed, accounting this
the medicinal and wholesome
course, any deviation from
which is inartistic and un-
wholesome: or would every
such proceeding in the case of
a science or genuine art, in
any circumstances involve such
lawgiving in the most utter
ridicule ?”
2. Ta ἀρχαῖα vopobernberta |
1. 6. τὰ ἀπ᾿ ἀρχῆς voy. The par-
ticiple, as in Soph. Trach. τ:
ἀρχαῖος φανείς.
6. ἢ πᾶν τὸ τοιοῦτον---τέχνῃ]
What is at first expressed ge-
, ΄ x « Ν 7 ΄ y
Isypayavrwy νόμους, ἂν ὁ μετὰ τέχνης γράψας ἢ
nerally in the nominative is
resumed in the genitive in a
more particular form, by a
change of construction like
that in Hom. Il. Z. 510: 6 &
ἀγλαϊῆφι πεποιθὼς ῥίμφα € γοῦνα
φέρει. Pheedr. 229 6. Cf. Rep.
4,434 ἃ, 7, 521 a, Legg. 6,
751 b: rov—dpyas ἀνεπιτηδείους
ἐπιστῆσαι ----γέλως ἂν πάμπολυς
ξυμβαίνοι. Pheedo 69 ο, Lach.
185 a, Xen. Mem. I. 2.
7. ἀληθεῖ τέχνῃ True art,
either as opposed to ἐμπειρία,
mere practice, which pretends
to the name of art, or as op-
posed to the profession with-
out the reality of art.
περὶ ἅπαντα belongs to ξύμ-
βαινον, παντάπασι ἴο γίγνοιτο.
14. νομεύονται] ‘Are herded,”
but with a play on νόμος. Cf.
Lege. 4,714 a: τὴν τοῦ νοῦ δια-
νομὴν ἐπονομάζοντες νόμον.
}
|
:
ΠΟΛΙΤΓΊΚΟΣ.
142
Ny “ σ“ 4.17 . »»" \ \ a
195. Tis ἕτερος ὅμοιος ἀφίκηται, μὴ ἐξέστω On Tapa ταῦτα
eg , Ὰ lal Ν > / »ῸΝ
οὔ. ἐτερα προσταττειν ; ἢ καὶ τοῦτο τὸ ἀπόρρημα οὐδεν
fe ν Ἃ » 7) a > θ , x vad / -
TTOV ἂν EKELYOU ΤΊ) αλῇ ειᾷ γέλοιον φαίνοιτο 3
NE SO. Τὶ μήν:
μ- 3 53 a , 7 Ν \
HE. Οἰσθ᾽ οὖν ἐπὶ τῷ τοιούτῳ λόγον τὸν Tapas
-“ σ΄ /
τῶν πολλῶν λεγόμενον 5
ΝΠ SQ.
ΞΕ. Καὶ
3 lal lal ᾽ “
Οὐκ ἐννοῶ νῦν γ᾽ οὕτως.
μὴν εὐπρεπής. φασὶ γὰρ δὴ δεῖν, εἴ τις
7,ὔ \ \ a yy / ἢ
γιγνώσκει παρὰ τοὺς τῶν ἐμπροσθεν βελτίους νομους,
rn \ « a / “ἤ /
νομοθετεῖν τὴν ἑαυτοῦ πόλιν ἕκαστον πείσαντα,
δὲ μή.
NE. 3Q. Τί οὖν; οὐκ ὀρθῶς ;
EE. Ἴσως.
ἂν δ᾽ οὖν μὴ πείθων τις βιάζηται τὸ
/ > / / 5, “ / ay \
βέλτιον, ἀπόκριναι, τί τοὔνομα τῆς βίας ἐσται; My
/ \ a 3 ΄
μέντοι πω, περὶ δὲ τῶν ἔμπροσθεν πρότερον.
NE. SQ. Ποῖον δὴ λέγεις ;
I. τις ἕτερος ὅμοιος] 1. 6. A
new lawgiver. Compare Legg.
11,026 α: ἢ μὴν παρόντα καὶ
ζῶντα αὐτὸν τὸν νομοθέτην μήποτ᾽
ἂν ἀναγκάσαι πράττειν οὕτω.
μὴ ἐξέστω δὴ] “~ Must he
really not be permitted?” Cf.
Rep. 1, 357: μὴ ἀποκρίνωμαι ;
Lege. 7, 800 6: ἐπανερωτῶ ----εἰ
Sane ἡμῖν----κείσθω. Ib.6,719
€: πότερον ---- μηδὲν ---- προσαγο-
ρεύῃ---ἀλλὰ----τρέπηται :---ἔξεσται
corr. F.
2. 7—aivorro :] “ Or would
this prohibition not seem in
reality to the full as ridiculous
as the former one ?”
‘8. φασὶ yap δὴ de] Cf.
Lege. 784 ¢. Pseudo-Zaleue.
ap. Stob. (Mullach. p. 543 b):
᾿Εὰν δέ τις βούληται τῶν κειμένων
νόμων κινεῖν ἢ ἄλλον εἰσφέρειν
νόμον, εἰς βρόχον εἴρας τὸν τρά-
xndov λεγέτω τοῖς πολλοῖς περὶ
καὶ ἐὰν μὲν ψηφιζομένων
δόξη λελύσθαι τὸν νόμον ἢ ὑπάρ-
χειν τὸν εἰσφερόμενον, καὶ αὐτὸν
ἀθῷον εἶναι" ἐὰν δὲ ὁ προ πα DOE
pales, δοκῇ καλῶς ἔχειν ἢ ὁ εἰσ-
φερόμενος, ἢ ἄδικος, τεθνάναι τὸν
κινοῦντα ἢ εἰσφέροντα νόμον, ἐπι-
σπασθέντος τοῦ βρόχου.
9. τῶν ἔμπροσθεν]
men of former time.
10. νομοθετεῖν----μή] “That he
should legislate when he has
persuaded his own state, but
not otherwise.”
15. περὶ δὲ τῶν ἔμπροσθεν πρό-
τερον] “ But answer me first
with regard to our previous
instances, 1. 6. the physician,
&e.”
αὐτοῦ"
Of the
permitted
to change
his own
appoint-
ment ?
The cur-
rent saying
is specious
enough :
“Let aman
wil over
his state
to accept
ἄλλως Io new laws,
and then
let him im-
pose them.”
But sup-
ose he
force them
on her ac-
ceptance,
what shall
15 be said?
If a physi-
cian forced
a patient
to do con-
trary to
prescrip-
tion, and
the treat-
ment so
forced were
best, would
it be called
unwhole-
some treat-
ment ?
No more
should the
proceeding
of one who
forces a
state to do
a great
right con-
trary to the
laws be
called un-
righteous.
Nor does it 15
make any
144
3, 3 \ ‘ , /
BE. "Av τις apa μὴ πείθων τὸν ἰατρευόμενον, p. 29
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
ἔχων δὲ ὀρθῶς τὴν τέχνην, παρὰ τὰ γεγραμμένα βέλ--
᾽ , δ κι κ ” ” ΕΣ ‘
τιον ἀναγκαζῃ δρᾷν παῖδα ἢ τινα ἄνδρα ἢ καὶ
“ / ΕἾ ΞὉ, / » / μ | >
γυναίκα, TL τούνομα τῆς Plas εσται ταύτης ; ap ov
κι σι Τὶ Ν \ \ 7 , ε ΄
5πᾶν μᾶλλον ἢ τὸ Tapa τὴν τέχνην λεγόμενον ἀμαρ-
Ν a \ / > lal 5 ΄σ aA
τημα TO νοσῶδες ; Kal πάντα ορθῶς εἰπεῖν ἐστι
΄ a β θέ \ \ a pe “
7 POTEPOV T@ ἰασῦεντι πέρι TO TOLOVTOV “σπλὴν OTL
/ Ν ΕΣ / « ἈΝ a /
νοσώδη καὶ ἀτεχνα πέπονθεν ὑπὸ τῶν βιασαμένων
ἰατρῶν ;
NE, ΣΏ. ᾿Αληθέστατα λέγεις.
EE. Τί δὲ ἡμῖν δὴ τὸ παρὰ τὴν πολιτικὴν τέχνην
c , / / 3 σαν > Ν > ‘ Ν
αμαρτὴμα λεγόμενον €OTLY 5 ap Ov TO alo x pov Kat
Ἂν \ +S
κακὸν καὶ QOLKOV 3
NE. 2Q. Παντάπασί ye.
ΜΞ ΕΣ.
I. "Av τις ἄρα μὴ πείθων τὸν
ἰατρευόμενον] Cf. 1,6ρο..5,684 6:
Καὶ μὴν τοῦτό γε οἱ πολλοὶ προσ-
τάττουσι τοῖς νομοθέταις, ὅπως
τοιούτους θήσουσι τοὺς νόμους οὺς
ἕκοντες οἱ δῆμοι καὶ τὰ πλήθη δέ-
fovrar, καθάπερ ἂν εἴ τις γυμνα-
σταῖς ἢ ἰατροῖς προστάττοι μεθ᾽
ἡδονῆς θεραπεύειν τε καὶ ἰᾶσθαι τὰ
θεραπευόμενα σώματα.
ἄρα] “ According to the
theory we are considering.”
5. mav—vooades| “ Anything
rather than the error which is
spoken of as a violation of the
art, namely unwholesome treat-
ment.”
6. καὶ mavra—iatpov| “And
the man who has been com-
pelled in such a case has a
right to say anything sooner
than that he has suffered un-
wholesome and _ unscientific
treatment from the physicians
‘ov δὴ βιασθέντων παρὰ τὰ γεγραμμένα
who compelled him.”
11. Ti δὲ---ἐστιν] “ But what
is the error which is named as
a violation of the political
art 1"
15. Τῶν δὴ ---βιασαμένων)] A
redundant and irregular sen-
tence. The first genitive is
resumed in τῶν τοιούτων go-
verned by Ψόγον, which is an
accusative without an explicit
construction, but governed by
εἰπὲ implied in φέρε. The words
μέλλει, καταγελαστότατος, αὐτῷ, 1D.
what follows, are to be referred
to ψόγον, which the pronoun
αὐτῷ resumes in a more definite
construction. “ Now in the
case of those who are compelled
to do contrary to written and
hereditary laws, other things
more just and better and no-
bler than their former doings,
say again of the exclaimer of
yh
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
145
A 7 an “ / > Ν
6 ὃ Ν /
290. και TAT Pla pav ἑτέρα δικαιότερα καὶ ἀμεινὼ και
7 an » , a ΄σ΄ 7 53
ἃ καλλίω τῶν ἐμπροσθεν, φέρε, τὸν τῶν τοιούτων αὖ
΄ A a 7 / “τ ol) > / Ν
ψόγον περὶ τῆς τοιαύτης βίας, ap, εἰ μέλλει μὴ
/ 53 7 / » a a
καταγελαστότατος εἶναι πάντων, πάντα αὐτῷ μᾶλλον
/ ἘΝ ον Ν «ε Ν yy
λεκτέον ἑκάστοτε, πλὴν ὡς αἰσχρὰ καὶ ἀδικα καὶ :
\ / « 7 ε \ a
kaka πεπονθασιν οἱ βιασθέντες ὑπὸ τῶν βιασα-
/
μένων 5
NE. 3Q. ᾿Αληθέστατα λέγεις.
ME. ᾿Αλλ᾽ apa ἐὰν μὲν πλούσιος 6 βιασάμενος ἢ
το μ HD
Ou Ἃ » y+ 7 7 A / > 7
Kala, ἂν δ᾽ apa πένης, ἀδικα τὰ βιασθέντα ἐστίν ;
δ Ὁ / x Ν / 7 Ἂ / »
ἢ κἂν πείσας κἂν μὴ πείσας τις, πλούσιος ἢ πένης; ἢ
\ , x Ν ΄, avi , K
κατὰ γράμματα ἢ παρὰ γράμματα, Opa τα ξύμφορα ἢ
a a \ Q A Ν “ cy , :
τοῦτον δεῖ καὶ περὶ ταῦτα TOV ὅρον εἶναι τὸν γε ἀλη-
such men about such violence,
must not this, to avoid being
utterly absurd, say everything
rather, on each occasion, than
that those who are compelled
have suffered what is dishon-
ourable and unjust and evil at
the hands of those who com-
pelled them ?”
Cf. Lege. 9,875 ¢: ἐπεὶ ταῦτα
εἴποτε Tis ἄνθρωπος, φύσει ἱκανός,
θείᾳ μοίρᾳ γεννηθεὶς, παραλαβεῖν
δυνατὸς εἴη, νόμων οὐδὲν ἂν δέοιτο
τῶν ἀρξόντων ἑαυτοῦ. ἐπιστήμης
γὰρ οὔτε νόμος οὔτε τάξις οὐδεμία
κρείττων, οὐδὲ θέμις ἐστὶ νοῦν οὐ-
δενὸς ὑπήκοον οὐδὲ δοῦλον ἀλλὰ
πάντων ἄρχοντα εἶναι, εἴπερ ἀλη-
θινὸς ἐλεύθερός τε ὄντως ἢ κατὰ
φύσιν.
δαμοῦ οὐδαμῶς, ἀλλ᾽ ἢ κατὰ βραχύ.
διὸ δὴ τὸ δεύτερον αἱρετέον, τάξιν
καὶ νόμον, ἃ δὴ τὸ μὲν ὡς ἐπὶ τὸ
a Se > ΄ > >
νυν O€, OU γαρ εστιν OU-
πολὺ ὁρᾷ καὶ βλέπει, τὸ δ᾽ ἐπὶ πᾶν
ἀδυνατεῖ. Ib. 3, 691 «.
2. φέρε] Cf. Aristoph. Ach.
541. Stallbaum makes ψόγον
dependent on λέγειν δεῖ implied
in λεκτέον. Perhaps rightly :
but cf. infr. 306 e.
12. x τὰ ξύμφορα | Most
MSS. have μὴ ξύμφορα ἢ Evp-
gopa. The rest are divided
between μὴ ξύμφορα ἢ ἀξύμφορα
and μὴ ξύμφορα. The correc-
tion is due to Cornarius. Cf.
Soph. 259 6, δυνατά, for traces
of a similar process of cor-
ruption.
13. τοῦτον---κρείττω] “Herein
consists the rule of right go-
vernment as strictly conceived :
according to which rule the
wise and good man will order
the condition of his subjects.
As the pilot ever watching
over the interest of the ship
and her crew, not laying down
prescriptions, but getting from
his own mind his art for his
law, preserves his comrades on
board ship, so in like manner
a right constitution of a state
would be got from those who
difference
whether he
who does
so be rich
or poor.
The light
of reason
and science
determin-
ing what is
expedient
and just, is
the only
criterion of
good go-
vernment :
and he who
acts by
° this light,
howsoever
his actions
may be de-
scribed, is
the true
ruler.
ae
WN
U
140 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
θινώτατον ὀρθῆς πόλεως διοικήσεως, ὃν ὁ σοφὸς καὶ Ρ. 2:}:᾿
ἀγαθὸς ἀνὴρ διοικήσει τὸ τῶν ἀρχομένων ; ὥσπερ ὃ
κυβερνήτης τὸ τῆς νεὼς καὶ ναυτῶν ἀεὶ ξυμφέρον
΄ » 7 Ν > \ \ / ἡ
παραφυλάττων, οὐ γράμματα τιθεὶς ἀλλὰ τὴν τέχνην P- 26)!
δνόμον παρεχόμενος, σώζει τοὺς συνναύτας, οὕτω καὶ
κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν τρόπον τοῦτον παρὰ τῶν οὕτως ἄρχειν
δυναμένων ὀρθὴ γίγνοιτ᾽ ἂν πολιτεία, τὴν τῆς τέχνης
ῥώμην τῶν νόμων παρεχομένων κρείττω ; καὶ πάντα i
A lal “ yy > » e ’
ποίουσι TOLS ἔμφροσιν αρχουσιν οὐκ ἐστιν ἁμαρτΉμα,
΄ x A , ΄, \ \ = Ν
το μέχριπερ ἂν ἕν μέγα φυλάττωσι, τὸ μετὰ νοῦ καὶ
/ / SN / ΄σ 5 > /
τέχνης δικαιότατον ἀεὶ διανέμοντες τοῖς ἐν TH πόλει, Ὁ
/ 5 Χ (ae A i‘ Aes. / > If
σώζειν τε αὐτοὺς οἷοί TE ὦσι καὶ ἀμείνους ἐκ χειρόνων
» “ Ν ἊΝ 7
ἀποτελεῖν KATA TO OUVATOV ;
That can- NE. ΣΩ. Οὐκ ἐστ᾽ ἀντειπεῖν παρά ye ἃ νῦν
not be ᾿
gainsaid. 15 εἰρηται.
\ ἊΝ “ \ ,
EE. Kai μὴν πρὸς ἐκεῖνα οὐδὲ avtippyreov.
should be able to govern thus,
and should bring to the work a
power in their art superior to
the laws.” For περὶ ταῦτα, cf.
Theaet. 176 c: ubi fors. le-
gend. περὶ τοῦτο.
5. οὕτω--- γίγνοιτ᾽ ἂν πολιτεία]
The clause was at first meant
to be in apposition with ὅρον
εἶναι, but in ytyvour ἂν there is
a return to the direct form.
8. καὶ πάντα ποιοῦσι----δυνατόν]
“Απᾷ the wise governors, what-
ever they do, can do no wrong
so long as they fulfil one great
condition,—so long as by dis-
pensing to the citizens justice
enlightened by reason and
knowledge, they are able to
preserve them, and, so far as
that is possible, to make them
better.”
10. μέχριπερ ἕν μέγα φυλάττω-
σιν} Cf. Rep. 4; 423 6: ἐὰν τὸ
λεγόμενον ἕν μέγα φυλάττωσι.
τὸ μετὰ νοῦ---διανέμοντες] Cf.
Lege. 4, 714 a: τὴν τοῦ νοῦ
διανομὴν ἐπονομάζοντες νόμον.
12. σώζειν τε----καὶ ἀμείνους---
ἀποτελεῖν] For, as Aristotle
afterwards said, the end of a
city is not life merely, but a
good life. Cf. supr. 293.
οἷοί te oot] In apposition
with φυλάττωσι.
14. παρά ye—etpyra| “ At
least in contradiction to what
has now been said.” The re-
spondent wishes to reserve his
opinion on the main point, like
Adeimantus in Rep. 6, 487 b:
πρὸς μὲν ταῦτά σοι οὐδεὶς ἂν οἷός
T εἴη ἀντειπεῖν" ἀλλὰ yap —. Cf.
Gorg. 475 €: οὔ μοι δοκεῖ κατά
γε τοῦτον τὸν λόγον.
16. ἐκεῖνα]! P. 292 6.
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΙΚΟΣ.
147
NE. ΣΏΩ. Τὰ ποῖα εἶπες ;
μ-- ε > y a δ. 216 τ \
BE. Ὡς οὐκ av ποτε πλῆθος οὐδ᾽ ὡντινωνοῦν THY
, Ν > I? el Lm | / \
τοιαύτην λαβὸν ἐπιστήμην οἷον T ἂν γένοιτο μετὰ
a - / \ / Ν
νοῦ διοικεῖν πόλιν, ἀλλὰ περὶ σμικρὸν τι καὶ ὀλίγον
Ἂς Ν A > G / \ / ’ / /
καὶ TO ἐν ἐστι (ζητητέον THY μίαν ἐκείνην πολιτείαν 5
τὴν ὀρθήν, τὰς δ᾽ ἄλλας μιμήματα θετέον, ὥσπερ καὶ
> U / > / \ \ STEN \ /
oAtyov πρότερον ἐρρήθη, Tas μὲν ἐπὶ Ta καλλίονα,
\ συ ς Ν > / / ,
Tas δὲ ἐπὶ Ta αἰσχίω μιμουμενᾶς TAUTHV.
NE. 3Q. Πῶς; τί τοῦτ᾽ εἴρηκας ; οὐδὲ γὰρ ἄρτι
δῆθεν κατέμαθον τὸ περὶ τῶν μιμημάτων.
Ν an 7 ij 7 ΄-
HE. Καὶ μὴν οὐ φαῦλόν γε, ἂν κινήσας τις τοῦ-
Ν if a 7 Ἂν \ ‘
Tov Tov λόγον αὐτοῦ καταβάλῃ Kal μὴ διελθὼν ἐνδεί-
2. οὐδ᾽ ὡντινωνοῦν] 1. 6. Whe-
ther rich or poor.
ἡ. Tas peyv—pipoupevas ταύ-
my] An epexegetic or redun-
dant clause.
9. Πῶς τί τοῦτ᾽ εἴρηκα] Cf.
Legg. 12, 968 ὁ: πῶς τί τοῦτο
εἰρῆσθαι φῶμεν ad; which the
Zurich editors have pointed
differently, putting a mark of
interrogation after més. If
this is right, it should be ap-
plied consistently to all such
expressions, 6. 9. πῶς ; τί τοῦτ᾽
εἶπες ; which is of frequent
occurrence.
ἄρτι P. 293 e.
το. δῆθεν] “I suppose.” He
had accepted the former state-
ment, but is now forced to
confess that he had not under-
stood it. That δῆθεν is not
always ironical appears from
Herod. VI. 138: τί δὴ ἀνδρω-
θέντες δῆθεν ποιήσουσι; and
similar uses of it are more
frequent in later Greek. Schol.
Ν a , ε 7 » /
ἃ ἕζηται τὸ νῦν γιγνόμενον ἁμάρτημα περὶ αὐτό.
Apoll. Rh. (quoted in the Paris
Stephanus): τὸ δῆθεν ποτὲ μὲν
πληρωματικόν, ποτὲ δὲ ἀντὶ τοῦ
δηλαδὴ ἢ ὡς δή. Compare the
use οἵ δήπουθεν, Phileb. 62 6, lon
534 ἃ. Badham, who objects
to the word, very plausibly
conjectures ῥηθέν.
11. Καὶ μὴν---περὶ αὐτό] “And
yet it were a remark of no
little weight, even if one merely
threw it out and left it, without
discussing and making plain
the error which men now com-
mit in this matter.”
ἂν κινήσας — αὐτοῦ κατα-
βάλῃ}] “If, having started this
question, one should leave it
where he took it up.” For
used metaphorically as
ef. Gorg. 490: Ἔχε δὴ
αὐτοῦ
here,
αὐτοῦ.
13. τὸ νῦν ---ἁμάρτημα] 1. 6.
The capricious defiance of law,
which is worse even than the
maintenance of imperfect laws.
See infr. 300 a, b.
TD
I
ο
Still less
can the
former pro-
position,
that scien-
tifie go-
vernment
must of
necessity
be in the
hands of
very few:
and that
the other
forms are
imitations,
more or
less imper-
fect, of this.
This is a
weighty
truth,
especially
when fol-
lowed into
its applica-
tions :
whereby
may be
revealed
the error
into which
politicians
now-a-days
are fallen.
Their best
course is to
follow the
traces of
the perfect
state which
have been
preserved
in laws ;
although
the main-
tenance of
law is only
a second-
best course,
and not
ideally the
best.
This ap-
pears, if we
consider
the origin
of law, as
we may do
under a
familiar
image.
148 MAATQNOZ
NE. ΣΩ. Ποῖον δή ;
EE. Τοιόνδε τι δεῖ γε ζητεῖν, οὐ πάνυ ξύνηθες
οὐδὲ ῥάδιον ἰδεῖν: ὅμως μὴν πειρώμεθα λαβεῖν αὐτό.
φέρε γάρ' ὀρθῆς ἡμῖν μόνης οὔσης ταύτης τῆς πολι-
5τείας, ἣν εἰρήκαμεν, οἶσθ᾽ ὅτι τὰς ἄλλας δεῖ τοῖς
συγγάμμασι χρωμένας
δρώσας τὸ νῦν ἐπαινούμενον, καίπερ οὐκ ὀρθό-
/ a /
TAUTNS οὕτω σώζεσθαι,
A
τατον OV;
NE. ΣΩ. To ποῖον ;
— Ν \ \ / \ / “
10 ΞΕ To παρὰ τοὺς νόμους μηδὲν μηδένα τολμᾷν
a - > a ͵ N lal \ ΄
ποιεῖν τῶν ἐν τῇ πόλει, τὸν τολμῶντα δὲ θανάτῳ
lod a a 4 oy 13 RY,
ζημιοῦσθαι καὶ πᾶσι τοῖς ἐσχάτοις. καὶ TOUT ἐστιν 6
> / Ν ΄΄ > “0 € / > \ \
ὀρθότατα καὶ κάλλιστ᾽ ἔχον, ὡς δεύτερον, ἐπειδὰν TO
πρῶτόν τις μεταθῇ τὸ νῦν δὴ ῥηθέν. ᾧ δὲ τρόπῳ
ρῶτὸν τις μεταθῇ τὸ νῦν δὴ ῥηθέν. ᾧ pore
νώμεθα. ἢ γάρ;
΄ » a ἃ Ν , 3 /
15 γεγονὸς ἐστι τοῦτο ὃ δὴ δεύτερον ἐφήσαμεν, διαπερα-
NE. ΣΩ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
\ \ , >
HE. Eis δὴ τὰς εἰκόνας ἐπανίωμεν παλιν, ais
’ a » ΄ SPUN
αναγκαιον ἀπεικάζειν QEL
20 χοντᾶς.
NE. SQ. Ποίας:
2. δεῖ ye ζητεῖν] “ We must
certainly examine—with what
success we may.”
5. ἣν εἰρήκαμεν] P. 293, viz.
That which is guided by the
consciousness of what is best,
in which, according to the lan-
guage of the Republic, philoso-
phers are kings.
7. οὐκ ὀρθότατον͵] Cf. supr.
294 d: ἐπειδήπερ οὐκ ὀρθότατον
ὁ νόμος.
13. ὡς δεύτερον] Cf. Lege.
9, 875 ὁ, quoted above.
ἐπειδὰν — ῥηθέν] “ When
\ Χ 37
τοὺς βασιλικοὺς ap-
one has withdrawn from the
first and best principle, which
we described just now.”
15. διαπερανώμεθα. ἢ γάρ ;| Cf.
Theet. 173 ¢: λέγωμεν δή, ὡς
ἔοικεν----,
18. ἐπανίωμεν πάλιν] The
image of the physician was
employed above, p. 293. But
the γενναῖος κυβερνήτης seems to
be an echo of Rep. 6, 488 a.
Cf. also Legg. 12, 963 b, and
Arist. Pol. III. 2, where the
virtue of a citizen is inferred
from that of a sailor.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
Ἀ a /
BE. Tov γενναῖον κυβερνήτην καὶ
“ > ΄ > lA
πολλῶν ἀντάξιον ἰατρόν.
149
Ἀ « /
τὸν ἑτέρων
γὰρ δή τι
/
κατίδωμεν
oe 3 ’ὔ > al /
σχημα ἐν TOUTOLS AUTOLS πλασάαμενοι.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Ποῖόν τι:
͵ - , x
HE. Towovde, οἷον εἰ πάντες περὶ αὐτῶν διανοη- 5
a “ / > > ΄ ’ a \
θεῖμεν ὅτι δεινότατα ὑπ᾽ αὐτῶν πάσχομεν. ὃν μὲν
Ἁ Ey ’ y € a , « 7 ,
yap av ἐθελήσωσιν ἡμῶν τούτων EKATEPOL σώζειν,
ὁμοίως δὴ σώζουσιν, ὃν δ᾽ ἂν λωβᾶσθαι βουληθῶσι,
“ 72 "4 ’ὔ
λωβῶνται τέμνοντες καὶ κάοντες καὶ προστάττοντες
᾽ ΄ 7 see \ - 7, -
ἀναλώματα φέρειν map ἑαυτοὺς οἷον φόρους, ὧν το
\ \ > Χ ΄ Ν >a\ > ,
σμικρὰ μὲν εἰς TOY κάμνοντα καὶ οὐδὲν ἀναλίσκουσι,
I. ἑτέρων πολλῶν ἀντάξιον
Hom. Il. A. 514 : Ἰητρὸς γὰρ
ἀνὴρ πολλῶν ἀντάξιος ἄλλων.
2. τι σχῆμα πλασάμενοι] This
expression also recals the pas-
sage of the Republic just cited:
δεῖ ἐκ πολλῶν αὐτὸ ξυναγαγεῖν
εἰκάζοντα.
The unchangeableness of in-
stitutions is less absolutely
fixed in the Laws, where room
is left for partial changes and
adaptations by constitutional
means. Legg. 6, 769: εἴποτε
τις ἐπινοήσειε γράψαι Te ὡς κάλλι-
στον ζῶον καὶ τοῦτ᾽ αὖ μηδέποτε
ἐπὶ τὸ φαυλότερον ἀλλ᾽ ἐπὶ τὸ
βέλτιον ἴσχειν τοῦ ἐπιόντος ἀεὶ
χρόνου, ξυννοεῖς ὅτι θνητὸς ὧν, εἰ
μή τινα καταλείψει διάδοχον ----
οὐ τοιοῦτον τὸ τοῦ νομοθέτου ---
πρῶτον μὲν γράψαι τοὺς νόμους
--Ἴἔπειτα----ἀρ᾽ οἴει τινὰ----ἀγνοεῖν
ὅτι πάμπολλα ἀνάγκη παραλεί-
πεσθαι τοιαῦτα, ἃ δεῖ τινὰ ξυνε-
πόμενον ἐπανορθοῦν ;
3. ἐν τούτοις αὐτοῖς] ἐν of
the material in which one
works ; as supr. 288 c: ἐξ ὧν
Np DS: ὩΣ
καὶ ἐν οἷς.
5. οἷον εἰ) The apodosis is
deferred by the explanation of
this clause, and the sense is
resumed and continued in «i δὴ
κιτιλ., infra.
10. οἷον φόρους] The physi-
cian, as being an image of the
king, is made to assume a
kingly σχῆμα.
11. σμικρὰ---καὶ οὐδὲν] “Little
or nothing.” Cf. Theet. 173 6.
The influence of the following
argument appears in Ar. Pol.
II. 5: ἐπὶ γοῦν τῶν ἀλλῶν em-
στημῶν τοῦτο συνενήνοχεν᾽ οἷον
ἰατρικὴ κινηθεῖσα παρὰ τὰ πάτρια,
καὶ γυμναστικὴ καὶ ὅλως αἱ τέχναι
Ibid. :
Weddos δὲ καὶ τὸ παράδειγμα τὸ
΄“ ‘ « ,
πασαι Και αἱι δυνάμεις.
περὶ τῶν τεχνῶν, οὐ γὰρ ὅμοιον
τὸ κινεῖν τέχνην καὶ νόμον᾽ ὁ γὰρ
νόμος ἰσχὺν οὐδεμίαν ἔχει πρὸς τὸ
πείθεσθαι πλὴν διὰ τὸ ἔθος κ-τ.λ.
Ib. II]. rr: τὸ δὲ τῶν τεχνῶν
εἶναι δοκεῖ παράδειγμα ψεῦδος, ὅτι
τὸ κατὰ γράμματα ἰατρεύεσθαι
φαῦλον... ἐπεὶ καὶ τοὺς ἰατροὺς
ὅταν ὑποπτεύίωσι πεισθέντας τοῖς
ἐχθροῖς διαφθείρειν διὰ κέρδος,
τότε τὴν ἐκ τῶν γραμμάτων θερα-
πείαν ζητήσαιεν ἂν μᾶλλον.
Suppose
men, indig-
nant at the
harm done
by the ca-
price of
physicians
and pilots,
devised a
constraint
for them by
calling an
oligarchi-
cal or de-
mocratic
assembly,
where all
who chose
might
speak, and
the advice
of unpro-
fessional
persons
might often
be pre-
ferred, and
by there
making
decrees
for the re-
culation of
the prac-
tice of na-
vigation
and medi-
cine, which
should be
binding on
those pro-
fessions
for all
time.
150
a 7 wv > / Ν cf ᾽ / “ - Ν
τοῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοις αὐτοί τε καὶ οἱ οἰκέται χρῶνται' καὶ p. 2%
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
\ κ᾿ A ἦν \ A x ,
δὴ καὶ τελευτῶντες ἢ παρὰ Evyyevov ἢ Tapa τινων Ὁ
ἐχθρῶν τοῦ κάμνοντος χρήματα μισθὸν λαμβάνοντες
» /
ATTOKTLYVUGOLV.
6 5 ΄- 7 a
οἵ T αὖ κυβερνῆται μυρία ἕτερα τοι-
ω » 6 / / yf » “
5. αῦτα ἐργάζονται, καταλείποντές τε ἔκ τινος ἐπιβουλῆς
> lol lal if 7 ΄-
ἐν ταῖς ἀναγωγαῖς ἐρήμους, καὶ σφάλματα ποιοῦντες
> a ΄ > ΄, 9 \ ,
ἐν τοῖς πελάγεσιν ἐκβάλλουσιν εἰς THY θάλατταν, Kal
led “ > \ ΄ /
ἕτερα κακουργοῦσιν. εἰ On ταῦτα διανοηθέντες βου-
/ Ν 3 o / / a
λευσαίμεθα περὶ αὐτῶν βουλὴν τινα, τούτων τῶν
lal 3 3, ’
τοτζέχνων μηκέτι ἐπιτρέπειν ἄρχειν αὐτοκράτορι μηδε-
τέρᾳ μήτ᾽ οὖν δούλων μήτ᾽ ἐλευθέρων, ξυλλέξαι δὲ
5 y «ε na > a x / XN “ ἊἋ
ἐκκλησίαν ἡμῶν αὑτῶν, ἢ ξύμπαντα τὸν δῆμον ἢ
\ 7 (2 ΕῚ ΄- \ ΩΝ ΕΣ lal Ν a
Tous πλουσίους μόνον, ἐξεῖναι δὲ Kal ἰδιωτῶν Kal τῶν
yy a / a Ἂς Ν /
ἄλλων δημιουργῶν περί TE πλοῦ καὶ περὶ νόσων
I. τοῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοι] The phy-
sician’s fee is glanced at also
in Rep. 1, 341 ¢: ὁ τῷ ἀκριβεῖ
λόγῳ iarpos—adrepov χρηματι-
στῆς ἐστιν ἢ τῶν καμνόντων θερα-
πευτής ; καὶ λέγε τὸν τῷ ὄντι
ἰατρὸν ὄντα.
2. ἢ---ἤ τινων] Supr. 261 ἃ:
ὥσπερ βοηλάτην ἤ τινα ἱππόκομον,
et passim.
7. ἐκβάλλουσιν] Note the re-
turn from the participle to the
indicative.
10. pndetépa] Bodl. pnderepa
(sic).
11. μήτ᾽ οὖν δούλων μήτ᾽ ἐλευ-
θέρων] “No, not over slaves,
still less freemen.” See the
picture of the slave physician
of slaves in Legg. 4, 720.
13. ἐξεῖναι 5€ — δημιουργῶν |
Sub. ὠτινιοῦν, Cf. Prot. 319 ἃ,
Gorg. 456.
καὶ ἰδιωτῶν καὶ
ἄλλων
τῶν
τὸ γνώμην ξυμβαλέσθαι, καθ᾽ ὅ τι χρὴ τοῖς φαρμάκοις
δημιουργῶν] “ Other,” 1. 6. than
physicians and pilots. Cf.
Protag. 319 ¢, d.
15. καθ᾽ ὃ τι χρὴ---ἔτερα τοι-
atta] “ What is to be the me-
thod of using drugs and sur-
gical instruments in our treat-
ment of the sick, and vessels
also, and the tackling of ves-
sels in navigation, and in en-
countering dangers, whether
those incident to the voyage
in the shape of winds and
waves, or in encountering an
affray with pirates, or perhaps
the necessity of fighting at
sea with old-fashioned galleys
against an armada of the like
build.” The words πρὸς ras—
τοιαῦτα, though in point of
meaning explanatory of περὶ
τοὺς κινδύνους, return to the
construction with καθ᾽ ὅτι χρὴ
--χρῆσθαι----τοῖς πλοίοις.
, ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. hi
ῷῳτ
---
. a Ν lal cal 7 ἈΝ \ 4
18.208. ἡμᾶς Kal τοῖς ἰατρικοῖς ὀργάνοις πρὸς τοὺς κάμνοντας
ΗΝ Ν Ν a / a A
d χρῆσθαι, καὶ δὴ καὶ τοῖς πλοίοις τε αὐτοῖς καὶ τοῖς
lal 7 ’ \ lal Ν
ναυτικοῖς ὀργάνοις εἰς τὴν τῶν πλοίων χρείαν καὶ
ni \ / 7 Ν SAN Ν σι
περὶ τοὺς κινδύνους τοὺς τε πρὸς αὑτὸν τὸν πλοῦν
ἜΣ \ ΄ ΄ κ \ \ a =
ἀνέμων καὶ θαλάττης πέρι καὶ πρὸς Tas τοῖς λῃσταῖς 5
» 4 Ν aX rn 37 / a
ἐντεύξεις, καὶ ἐὰν ναυμαχεῖν apa δέῃ που μακροῖς
/ Ν a a ‘\ \ 4 , 4s
πλοίοις προς ETEPA τοιαῦτα τὰ δε τῳ πληθει δοξαντα
/ / nN a a #7 3
περὶ τούτων, εἴτε τινῶν ἰατρῶν καὶ κυβερνητῶν εἴτ
a» a {/ / > /
ἄλλων ἰδιωτῶν ξυμβουλευόντων, γράψαντας ἐν KUp-
/ Ν / \ \ ΩΝ 3) ΄
βεσί τισι καὶ στήλαις, τὰ δὲ καὶ ἀγραφα πάτρια ιο
7 ay, NX rn? BA / Ν 3)
e θεμένους ἐθη, κατὰ ταῦτ ON πᾶντα τὸν ἐπειτα
’ \ “- ΄
χρόνον ναυτίλλεσθαι καὶ τὰς τῶν καμνόντων θερα-
, a
πείας ποιεῖσθαι.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Κομιδῇ γε εἴρηκας aroma.
EE. Kar ἐνιαυτὸν δέ γε ἄρχοντας καθίστασθαι
> , " » a / 5 > a /
τοῦ πλήθους, Eire EK τῶν πλουσίων ETE EK τοῦ δήμου
7 A AY ΄, ͵ \ \
παντὸς, ὃς av κληρούμενος λαγχάνῃ" τοὺς δὲ κατα-
The present is of course a
wholly imaginary case. The
ἰατρῶν αἵρεσις alluded to in the
Gorgias, 455 b, is not the de-
cision of the question who are
to be physicians, but the selec-
tion of certain physicians for
some public duty connected
with their profession. Cf. Ar.
Pol. III. 6: ὥσπερ οὖν ἰατρὸν δεῖ
διδόναι τὰς εὐθύνας ἐν ἰατροῖς, οὕτω
τοὺς ἄλλους ἐν τοῖς ὁμοίοις.
6. μακροῖς πλοίοις] The most
antiquated kind of fighting
vessel, of which Plato speaks
as an English writer of the
present day might of the old
three-decker. He imagines the
effect of perpetuating such a
mode of warfare in written
laws, like those of “ the Medes
and Persians, which alter not.”
In the same spirit he recals the
old word κύρβεσι just below.
8. εἴτ᾽ ἄλλων ἰδιωτῶν] “ Or
else private citizens.” The
Platonic use of ἄλλος already
noticed. Cf. Gorg. 473 ¢: ὑπὸ
τῶν πολιτῶν καὶ TOV ἄλλων ξένων.
11. ἤδη τὸν ἔπειτα χρόνον ναυ-
τίλλεσθα)] Cf. Soph. Antig.
717: ὑπτίοις κάτω στρέψας τὸ
λοιπὸν σέλμασιν ναυτΐλλεται.
15- δέ γε] “ Yes, and more-
over.”
17. 6s—Aayyavy] This seems
to refer only to ἐκ τοῦ δήμου
παντὸς, see infr, 6 : ἢ τῶν---λα-
χόντας.
The practical and speculative
physician are again contrasted
in illustration of the lawgiver’s
15 Then sup-
pose them
to elect
annually,
either by
vote or lot,
those to
whom au-
thority in
each de-
partment
should be
given.
Who, when
their term
of office had
expired,
might be
summoned
before an
unprofes-
sional
court, and
perhaps
condemned
and pun-
ished for
breaking
the written
regulations
in their art.
Not con-
tent with
this, sup-
pose them
to enact,
that who-
ever is
found in-
quiring
15
152
IAATQNOZ
στάντας ἄρχοντας ἄρχειν κατὰ τὰ γράμματα κυβερ- p. 26},
a \ al Ν /
νῶντας τὰς ναῦς καὶ TOUS κάμνοντας ἰωμένους.
NE. 2Q. Ταῦτ᾽ ἔτι χαλεπώτερα.
πὴ ἢ Θ a δὴ ν Ν A ΄- « / > δὰ
ei. €@ O77) Και TO μετὰ Ταῦτα ETTOMEVOV., ETTELOAV
ἈΝ Ν cal > / ε / € ᾽ Ν 54“. 7
5γὰρ δὴ τῶν ἀρχοντῶν EKAOTOLS O ενίαυτος ἐξέλθῃ,
, ᾽ὔ / > ΄-“ ΕΥ a
δεησει δικαστήρια καθίσαντας ἀνδρῶν, ἢ τῶν πλου-
/ » / X / 53 a 74 \
σίων ἐκ προκρίσεως ἢ ξύμπαντος αὖ τοῦ δήμου Tous
/ > / 7 * JA Ν
λαχόντας, εἰς τούτους εἰσάγειν τοὺς ἀρξαντας καὶ
» , - \ Ν / € > \
εὐθύνειν, κατηγορεῖν δὲ τὸν βουλόμενον ὡς οὐ κατὰ
\ 7 Ν > \ ’ , \ a Ia\
τοτὰ γράμματα τὸν ἐνιαυτὸν ἐκυβέρνησε τὰς ναῦς οὐδὲ
\ \ \ “- / 4 \ Ena \
κατὰ Ta παλαιὰ τῶν προγόνων ἔθη: Ta αὐτὰ δὲ
an Ν lol \ 7 ’ὔ © >
ταῦτα καὶ περὶ τῶν τοὺς κάμνοντας ἰωμένων. ὧν ὃ
x a “ σ“ Ν cad δ... at \
av καταψηφισθῇ, τιμᾷν ὃ TL χρὴ παθεῖν αὐτῶν τινὰς
ΩΝ > ,
ῃ ἀποτίνειν.
NE. ΣΩ. Οὐκοῦν ὅ γ᾽ ἐθέλων καὶ ἑκὼν ἐν τοῖς
΄ YA ΄ ’ x lal 7
τοιούτοις ἄρχειν δικαιότατ᾽ ἂν ὁτιοῦν πάσχοι καὶ
/
ἀποτίνοι.
EE. Καὶ τοίνυν ἔτι δεήσει θέσθαι νόμον ἐπὶ πᾶσι
art in Legg. 9, 857 d. The
“slave” says to the true phy-
siclan: ὦ μῶρε, οὐκ ἰατρεύεις τὸν
νοσοῦντα, ἀλλὰ σχεδὸν παιδεύεις,
ὡς ἰατρὸν ἀλλ᾽ οὐχ ὡς ὑγιῆ δεό-
μενον γίγνεσθαι.
10. ἐκυβέρνησε]͵ He passes
from the general enactment to
the form of indictment in a
particular case.
11. τὰ αὐτὰ δὲ ταῦτα] For the
ellipse, cf. Thezt.148 b: καὶ
περὶ τὰ στερεὰ ἄλλο τοιοῦτον.
13. τιμᾷν --- ἀποτίνεν 1 Cf.
Legg. 8, 843 b, 9, 875 d, 4110.
15. καὶ ἑκὼν] “To hold office
amongst such people, at least
when he has the choice.” Com-
pare the representation in the
Republic (1, 347, 7, 521) of the
unwillingness of good men to
rule. καὶ implies that there are
cases in which a good man may
be compelled to rule.
18. Kal τοίνυν ἔτι]
further still.”
Καὶ τοίνυν--- δεήσει] Cf. Legg.
1,634 d,e (the Athenian is ad-
dressing the Cretan and Spar-
tan): ὑμῖν μὲν yap—eis τῶν καλ-
λίστων ἂν εἴη νόμων μὴ ζητεῖν τῶν
νέων μηδένα ἐᾷν ποῖα καλῶς αὐτῶν
ἢ μὴ καλῶς ἔχει, μιᾷ δὲ φωνῇ καὶ
ἐξ ἑνὸς στόματος πάντας συμφω-
νεῖν ὡς πάντα καλῶς κεῖται θέντων
θεῶν κιτιλ. And for the ex-
pression, Legg. 5, 741 6: πρὸς
τούτοις δ᾽ ἔτι νόμος ἕπεται πᾶσι
τούτοις.
“ Well,
Pp: 29)
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ. 153
, yy Ν Ν ‘ ΕἸ Ν
99. τούτοις, ἂν τις κυβερνητικὴν καὶ τὸ ναυτικὸν ἢ TO
ε Ν a) a i Ν ΄ ΄ Ν
ὑγίεινον καὶ ἰατρικῆς ἀλήθειαν περὶ πνεύματα τε καὶ
\ \ “ \ \ ΄
θερμὰ καὶ ψυχρὰ ζητῶν φαίνηται παρὰ τὰ γράμματα
, a \ “- “ \
καὶ σοφιζόμενος ὁτιοῦν περὶ τὰ τοιαῦτα, πρῶτον μὲν
’ Ν \ τ. \ ,
μήτε ἰατρικὸν αὐτὸν μήτε κυβερνητικὸν ὀνομάζειν
\ 4 / \ / Sf?
ἀλλὰ μετεωρολόγον, ἀδολέσχην τινὰ σοφιστὴν, εἰθ
3, 7
as διαφθείροντα ἄλλους νεωτέρους καὶ ἀναπείθοντα
7 lal lal \ \ /
ἐπιτίθεσθαι κυβερνητικῇ Kal ἰατρικῇ μὴ κατὰ νόμους,
γι. / ἴω a
ἀλλ᾽ αὐτοκράτορας ἄρχειν τῶν πλοίων καὶ τῶν voo-
/ / > , Ν ΄ -
οὐντων, γραψάμενον εἰσάγειν τὸν βουλόμενον, οἷς
», » 4 7 ΕΝ \ \ \
ἔξεστιν, εἰς δή τι δικαστήριον. ἂν δὲ παρὰ τοὺς
2 Ν \ 4 7 / 3, /
νόμους Kal τὰ γεγραμμένα δόξῃ πείθειν εἴτε νέους
” , , a > ΄ 5. Ν A
εἴτε πρεσβύτας, κολάζειν τοῖς ἐσχάτοις. οὐδὲν yap
2. πνεύματα! ‘* Winds,” as
affecting health. Cf. supra
205 d: ξυμβαινόντων ἄλλων Bed-
τιόνων τοῖς κάμνουσι διὰ πνεύματα
7 τι καὶ ἄλλο.
καὶ θερμὰ καὶ ψυχρά] 1. 6. the
more general inquiry which in-
cludes the subject of winds.
6. petewpoddyov, ἀδολέσχην
τινὰ σοφιστήν ͵ἢ] See the well-
known passage, Rep. 6, 488 6:
τὸν ὡς ἀληθῶς κυβερνητικὸν οὐχ
ἡγεῖ ἂν τῷ ὄντι μετεωροσκόπον τε
καὶ ἀδολέσχην καὶ ἄχρηστόν σφισι
καλεῖσθαι ὑπὸ τῶν ἐν ταῖς οὕτω
κατεσκευασμέναις ναυσὶ πλωτήρων.
The phrase τὰ μετεωρὰ πράγματα
would apply equally to the
winds, the subjects of the phy-
sician’s study, and the stars,
which the true pilot must un-
derstand.
μετεωρολόγον ---- διαφθείροντα
ἄλλους νεωτέρους----μὴ κατὰ νό-
μους] The indictments of Ari-
stophanes and Meletus against
Socrates are here combined.
In both clauses there is perhaps
an allusion to the death of So-
crates. Cf. also Soph. 225 e.
7. ws διαφθείροντα! This de-
pends on γραψάμενον.
9. αὐτοκράτορας]
208 6.
αὐτοκράτορας ἄρχειν 7 CF,
Ar. Pol. I. 6: διόπερ οὐκ αὐὖτο-
γνώμονας βέλτιον κρίνειν, ἀλλὰ
Cf. supra
κατὰ τὰ γράμματα καὶ τοὺς νόμους.
Tbe 7:
ἄρχειν depends immediately
on πείθειν, and is codrdinate
with ἐπιτίθεσθαι, though ἀλλὰ
strictly requires some construc-
tion dependent on ἐπιτ., 6. g.
the participle ἄρχοντας,
ΤΟ. τὸν βουλόμενον, ois ἔξεστιν
“ Whoever will of those who
have the legal power.”
11. εἰς δή τι δικαστήριον] ΟἿ,
Meno 81 ὁ: τελευτᾷν, ὃ δὴ ἀπο-
θνήσκειν καλοῦσιν.
12. γεγραμμένα] Se. γράμματα
περὶ τούτων.
13. οὐδὲν yap δεῖν] ““ΕῸΣ no
pc
σι
Io
into the
truth of
medicine
and navi-
gation, and
is therein
κε wise be-
yond what
is written,”
he shall
first be
called no
artist, but
a dreamer
ora prating
sophister,
and then
be publicly
indicted of
corrupting
the youth,
and per-
suading
them to
address
themselves
to these
sciences in
a manner
contrary to
the laws.
Lastly, if
he be found
guilty his
punish-
ment shall
be extreme.
For no one
needs be
wiser than
the laws,
which he
who runs
may read,
both on the
public mo-
numents,
and in the
voice of
eustom.
154
MAATQNOZ
vad fal 53 > / \ ’ “
δεῖν τῶν νόμων εἶναι σοφώτερον᾽ οὐδένα γὰρ ἀγνοεῖν P- 26,5}
ἰ
Us , Ν \ Ν « Ν Ia \ Ν
TO τε ἰατρικὸν καὶ τὸ ὑγιεινὸν οὐδὲ τὸ κυβερνητικὸν
καὶ ναυτικόν" ἐξεῖναι γὰρ τῷ βουλομένῳ μανθάνειν
sere UG, feos
Ἢ , 3, “ ‘ ΄
γεγραμμένα καὶ πάτρια ἔθη κείμενα. ταῦτα δὴ περί
’ \ / / “ἤὕ c tA
STE ταῦτας τὰς ἐπιστήμας εἰ γίγνοιτο οὕτως ws λέγο-
3 a /
μεν, ὦ Σώκρατες, καὶ στρατηγικῆς καὶ ξυμπάσης
ἡστινοσοῦν θηρευτικῆς καὶ γραφικῆς ἢ ξυμπάσης
«ε a a ἴω /
μέρος ὁτιοῦν μιμητικῆς Kal τεκτονικῆς καὶ ξυνόλης
a Ἃ ΄- / Ν x Ν
ὁποιασοῦν σκευουργίας ἢ καὶ γεωργίας καὶ τῆς περὶ
\ \ Ey ε , 3
ιοτὰ φυτὰ Evvodns τέχνης, ἢ καί τινα ἱπποφορβίαν αὖ
κατὰ συγγράμματα θεασαίμεθα γιγνομένην ἢ Evp-
\ ΕΝ Ν oD lal ad /
πασαν ἀγελαιοκομικὴν ἢ μαντικὴν ἢ πᾶν ὃ TL μέρος
one need be wiser than the
laws.” οὐδὲν is adverbial. The
inevitableness of the philoso-
pher’s fate is again stated in
the Gorgias, p. 521.
4. kat πάτρια ἔθη] These
are described in Legg. 7,
USS)
ταῦτα δὴ περί----κατὰ τέχνην ;|
“Tf such were the proce-
dure, Socrates, about these
sciences, and about generalship
and the other kinds of hunt-
ing, or painting and every
department of imitative art,
or carpentry and every handi-
eraft, or husbandry and_ all
vegetable culture, or were we
to see an art of horsebreeding,
or the tending of any herd
conducted according to written
rules, or soothsaying, or any
other ministerial function, or
draught-playing, or any other
science conversant with num-
bers, whether simple, or square,
or cube, or comprising motion
—what aspect would be pre-
sented by a world in which
everything was done in this
way, in which written pre-
scriptions took the place of
scientific principles ?”
The Stranger takes every
opportunity to exercise his
pupil in recognizing the
“ kindred ” between divers
arts. Many threads of pre-
vious discussion are here
taken up.
6. στρατηγικῆς Kat — θηρευ-
τικῆς | CE. Sophy) 222 ane
robe Πὰς
7. γραφικῆς ἢ ----μέρος ὁτιοῦν
He reverts to the accusative
after περὶ (ταύτας τὰς ἐπιστήμας
supr.) in order to avoid the
confusion of a double genitive.
For the μέρη τῆς μιμητικῆς, cf
Soph. 235 6.
9. okevovpyias| Soph. 219 a.
γεωργία! Ibid.
ΤΟ. ἱπποφ.--ἀγελαιοκομ.] Su-
pra 261 ἃ, 276 ἃ.
12. μαντικὴν----διακον.] Supra
290 6.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
155
; ὃ \ / ΕῪ / “Δ / >
99. διακονικὴ περιείληφεν, ἢ πεττείαν ἢ ξύμπασαν apt-
/ 4 5 . 5) ΄ 7
© θμητικήν, ψιλήν, εἴτε ἐπίπεδον εἴτε ἐν βάθεσιν εἴτε ἐν
’ 53 / 4 lal “
τάχέεσιν ουσαν που,---περὶ ATTAVTA TAVTA OVTW πτρατ-
/ / 7 \ /
τόμενα τί ToT ἄν φανείη, κατὰ συγγράμματα γιγνό-
aN A /
MEV και μὴ KATA ΤΕΧΡΉΡ 9
NE. ΣΏ. Δῆλον ὅτι πᾶσαι αἱ τέχναι παντελῶς
δ > i? CS \ xAa\ > a / See sy,
av ἀπολοινθ᾽ ἡμῖν, καὶ οὐδὲ εἰσαῦθις γένοιντ᾽ ἂν ποτε
\ Ν 3 7 al ΄- ΄ “ «
διὰ TOV OTOK@AVOVTA TOUTOV Gyre νομον" WOTE O
/ aA Ν lal / > Ν , 5) cn 5 ͵
βίος, ὧν καὶ νῦν χάλεπος, εἰς TOV χρόνον ἐκεῖνον αβι-
/ Ἂ XN /
ὠτὸς γίγνοιτ᾽ ἂν τὸ παράπαν.
1. πεττείαν] Infr. 292 6.
πεττείαν ---- ἀριθμητικήν |
Legg. 7, 820 d:
πεττεία καὶ ταῦτα ἀλλήλων τὰ pa-
θήματα οὐ πάμπολυ κεχωρίσθαι.
ἀριθμητικήν, ψιλὴν ---- ἐν τάχε-
ow] Supra 258 c, 284 6.
> pak}
2. eit ἐν βάθεσιν εἴτ᾽ ἐν τάχε-
Cf.
»ὕ a 4
€OLKE YOUV ἢ TE
ow] Τάχεσιν Par. E; πάσχεσιν
ParH. Cf.supr. 284 τ »ταχύτητας,
and note: 294 d, παχύτερον : ubi
Par. F, ταχύτερον. Arithmetic
here includes mathematics, pure
and mixed. Cf. Legs. 5 1466:
νομίσαντα πρὸς πάντα εἶναι χρησί-
μους τὰς τῶν ἀριθμῶν διανομὰς
καὶ ποικίλσεις, ὅσα τε αὐτοὶ ἐν
ἑαυτοῖς ποικίλλονται καὶ ὅσα ἐν
μήκεσι καὶ ἐν βαθέσι ποικίλματα,
καὶ δὴ καὶ ἐν φθόγγοις καὶ κινήσεσι
ταῖς τε κατὰ τὴν εὐθυπορίαν τῆς
ἄνω καὶ κάτω φορᾶς καὶ τῆς κύκλῳ
περιφορᾶς. (The last clause
affords a further comment on
ταχέσιν.)
3. οὕτω πραττόμενα] Imper-
sonal. For the form οἵ sen-
tence, cf. Rep. 4, 434 a: τέκτων
—ravta τἄλλα μεταλλαττόμενα,
dpa σοι ἄν τι δοκεῖ κιτλ. In
connexion with this passage,
: slapaa :
see Gorgias 455 Ὁ:
> cal c ,ὔ ε fod , 4
ἰατρῶν αἱρέσεως ἢ τῇ πόλει σύλλο-
γος ἢ περὶ ναυπηγῶν ἢ περὶ ἄλλου
A a Ww >
τινὸς δημιουργικοῦ ἔθνους, ἄλλο τι
x , ec \ > ΄
ἢ τότε ὁ ῥητορικὸς οὐ συμβουλεύ-
a ‘ a > c ΄ «
σει, δῆλον γὰρ ὅτι ἐν ἑκάστῃ αἷ-
ρέσει τὸν τεχνικώτατον δεῖ αἱρεῖ-
σθαι.
a 4
oTav Tepe
4. κατὰ συγγράμματα γιγνό-
μενα] Contrast with this the
praise of the Egyptian conven-
tionality in art, Legg. 2,656 6:
ΑΘ. παρὰ ταῦτ᾽ οὐκ ἐξῆν οὔτε ζωγρά-
φοις οὔτ᾽ ἄλλοις ὅσοι σχήματα καὶ
ὁποῖ᾽ atta ἀπεργάζονται καινοτο-
μεῖν οὐδ᾽ ἐπινοεῖν ἄλλ᾽ ἄττα ἢ τὰ
πάτρια, οὐδὲ νῦν ἔξεστιν, οὔτ᾽ ἐν
τούτοις οὔτ᾽ ἐν μουσικῇ ξυμπάσῃ.
σκοπῶν δ᾽ εὑρήσεις αὐτόθι τὸ μυριο-
στὸν ἔτος γεγραμμένα ἢ τετυπωμένα,
οὐχ ὡς ἔπος εἰπεῖν μυριοστὸν ἀλλ᾽
ὄντως, τῶν νῦν δεδημιουργημένων
οὔτε τι καλλίονα οὔτ᾽ αἰσχίω, τὴν
αὐτὴν δὲ ἀπειργασμένα.
ΚΛ. Θαυμαστὸν λέγεις. ΑΘ. Νομο-
θετικὸν μὲν οὖν καὶ πολιτικὸν ὑπερ-
βαλλόντως.
6. Δῆλον ---τὸ παράπαν, infr.
ἄρα οὐ --- κακόν, ἁμαρτήματος ----
ξυγγραμμάτων] Note the tragic
cadence of these clauses.
τέχνην
*x 2
10
What
would be
the result
of this pro-
cedure, if
applied to
these or
any other
arts ?
Theywould
simply be
destroyed,
and that
without
hope of re-
covery : so
that life
would be
an intole-
rable bur-
den.
But things
would fall
into still
greater
confusion,
if the men
appointed
under such
156
/ / >, ‘ 7 A
EE. Ti δὲ τόδε ; εἰ κατὰ συγγράμματα μὲν ἀν- Pp. 361}
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
’ - ΄- ΕἸ ) ἢ ΄
αγκαάζοιμεν ἕκαστον γίγνεσθαι τῶν εἰρημένων καὶ τοῖς
͵, ε a > lal Ν /
συγγράμμασιν ἡμῶν ἐπιστατεῖν τὸν χειροτονηθέντα
Ἂ » - \ \ fal
ἢ λαχόντα ἐκ τύχης, οὗτος δὲ μηδὲν φροντίζων τῶν
Vd Δ oa / » 7 /
enactments 5 γραμμάτων ἢ κέρδους ἕνεκέν τινος ἢ χάριτος ἰδίας
disregard-
ed them,
not in the
interest of
science,
but of
their own
private
wishes.
For the
laws have
at least
some basis
of experi-
ence and
of plausible
counsel.
Hence if
laws are
made, it
is best,
though
only second
best, that
they should
be en-
forced.
a > o fa) a \ /
Tapa ταῦτα ἐπιχειροῖ δρᾷν ἕτερα, μηδὲν γιγνώσκων,
53 » A an a“ / a Ἃ yy a
apa. OU TOU KQKOU TOU πρόσθεν μεῖζον αν ετι TOUTO
tf /
γίγνοιτο κακον 5
NE. 30. ᾿Αληθέστατα.
=E Il \\ XN 53 \ , Ν » /
poy Ls. apa γὰρ OLUAaL τοὺς VO{LOUS TOUS EK πειρᾶς
“ 7 / / 4
πολλῆς κειμένους καί τινων ξυμβούλων ἕκαστα χα-
᾽ὔ / 4 a
ριέντως ξυμβουλευσάντων καὶ πεισάντων θέσθαι τὸ
“ € Ν - lal las « if
πλῆθος, ὁ Tapa ταῦτα τολμῶν δρᾷν, ἁμαρτήματος
ε ΄ , 3 / > /
ἁμάρτημα πολλαπλάσιον ἀπεργαζόμενος, ἀνατρέποι
a Ἂ a 7 / a
15 77ACQV QV πρᾶξιν ἔτι μειζόνως τῶν ξυγγραμμάτων.
NE. ΣΩΏ. Πώς & οὐ μελλει;
EE. Διὰ ταῦτα δὴ τοῖς περὶ ὁτουοῦν νόμους καὶ
ξυγγράμματα τιθεμένοις δεύτερος πλοῦς τὸ παρὰ
ταῦτα μήτε ἕνα μήτε πλῆθος μηδὲν μηδέποτε ἐᾷν
2000GV μηδ᾽ ὁτιοῦν.
PEy μὴ
10. Παρὰ γὰρ οἶμαι] The
sentence begins with an under-
stood subject, viz. οὗτος supra,
but as the πρότασις lengthens
this is forgotten, and hence, in
resuming, the article is intro-
duced :
δρᾶν.
II. χαριέντως} [. 6. by right
opinion without science. Cf.
Ar. Eth. Nic. I. 3: oi—xapi-
έστεροι.
Pseudo-Zaleuc. ap. Stob.(Mul-
lach. Ὁ. 543 8): τῶν δὲ κειμένων νό-
pov ἐάν τις δοκῇ μὴ καλῶς κεῖσθαι,
6 παρὰ ταῦτα τολμῶν
μετατιθέναι ἐπὶ τὸ βέλτιον. μεν-
ὄντων δὲ, πάντας πειθαρχεῖν᾽ ὡς
ὑπ’ ἀνθρώπων μὲν ἡττᾶσθαι τοῦς
κειμένους νόμους οὐ καλὸν οὐδὲ
συμφέρον, ὑπὸ δὲ νόμου βελτίονος
ἡττώμενον κατακρατεῖσθαι καὶ κα-
λὸν καὶ συμφέρον.
18. δεύτερος πλοῦς] Cf. Pheedo
99 b; Phileb. 19 ¢, 596; Az:
ἜΠΗ. Nic. V. 2.0; Rol Wali
2,6. After failing to make one
course, we tack and try an-
other.
19. πλῆθος μηδὲν] None,
whether rich or poor. Cf.
infr. 300 6: τὸ τῶν πλουσίων
πλῆθος. Note the emphatic
accumulation of negatives.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
NE. ΣΏ. Ὀρθῶς.
= O ’ a , \ x . / n 7
4. Ovkovy μιμήματα μεν ἂν EKATT@V ταῦτα EL)
157
“-“ > , \ \ “ Ε / > / 3
τῆς ἀληθείας, τὰ παρὰ τῶν εἰδότων εἰς δύναμιν εἶναι
/
γεγραμμένα ;
NE. SQ. Πῶς δ᾽ οὔ ;
i \\ » / 32) Ν 57
ΞΕ. Καὶ μὴν τόν γε εἰδότα ἔφαμεν, τὸν ὄντως
λιτικόν, εἰ 7060 | ἢ τέ λλὰ
πολιτικὸν, εἰ μεμνήμεθα, ποιήσειν τῇ τέχνῃ TOAAG
\ « a val ΄“ 7 \
εἰς THY αὑτοῦ πρᾶξιν τῶν γραμμάτων οὐδὲν φρον-
,ὔ ¢€ / δ᾽, > > lal / / \ \
τίζοντα, ὁπόταν ἄλλ αὐτῷ βελτίω δόξη παρα τᾶ γε-
, ΠΣ € a 5 / a
γραμμένα vp αὑτοῦ Kal ἐπεσταλμένα ἀποῦσί τισιν.
NE. ΣΩ. Ἔφαμεν γάρ.
π- “ « a - oN “ a
ΜΞ Εἰ. Οὐκοῦν ἀνὴρ ὁστισοῦν εἷς ἢ πλῆθος ὁτιοῦν,
ray Ἃ ΄ / 7
OlS AV VOMOL KELLMEVOL τυγχάνωσι,
Ἂ > 7 a ε ,
ἂν ETLXELPHTwWOL ποιεῖν ὡς βέλτιον
\ a o
παρὰ TAVTA ὁ TL
oS + SN
ETEPOV OV, TAVTOV
δρῶσι κατὰ δύναμιν ὕπερ ὁ ἀληθινὸς ἐκεῖνος ;
NE. ΣΩ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
με 5 3 3 9 \ » 7 + \
=H. “Ap οὖν εἰ μὲν ἀνεπιστήμονες ὄντες TO TOL-
πὸ nr a \
οὗτον Oper, μιμεῖσθαι μεν
2. μιμήματα ---- τῆς ἀληθείας |
Compare the account in Rep.
6, 500, 501, of the procedure
of the πολιτειῶν ζώγραφοι. The
word γεγραμμένα here contains
associations both from writing
(cf. γράμματα above and ἐπε-
σταλμένα below) and painting,
as appears from the word
μιμήματα.
ἑκάστων----τῆς ἀληθείας] For
the structure of this, οἵ.
Phedo 65 d: τῶν ἄλλων...
ἁπάντων τῆς οὐσίας.
3. παρὰ τῶν εἰδότων] From
the lips of those who know :
i.e. dictated by them. Cf. Soph.
Oed. Tyr. 285: παρ᾽ οὗ τις ἂν
σκοπῶν. Sc. τῶν χαριέντως ξυμ-
βουλευσάντων supr. Cf. infr.
ΕΝ > “ Ν » /
ἂν ἐπιχειροῖεν TO ἀληθές,
305 C: παρὰ νομοθέτου βασι-
λέως.
εἰς δύναμιν εἶναι] Like
τὸ νῦν εἶναι, Rep. 6, 506 6.
Protag. 317 a. Crat. 396 6:
TO μὲν τήμερον εἶναι.
10. ἀποῦσί τισιν] 1. 6. For
men from whom he should be
absent. The present is used by
anticipation for the future, as
in Soph. 265 d: τῶν eis τὸν
ἔπειτα χρόνον ἄλλως πως δοξα-
ζόντων. Or, perhaps, because
the injunctions continued in
force during his absence.
13. mapa ταῦτα---ὔν] “When-
ever they do contrary to what
is written in their laws, in the
belief that another course is
better.”
Io
Such insti-
tutions are
at least an
imitation
of the
truth. But
15 whoever
contra-
venes them
for the
sake of the
general
good, as-
sumes the
158 ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
ἣ Η “- ΣΝ , a a ΜΔ, a
function of μιμοῖντ ἂν μέντοι πᾶν κακῶς" εἰ δ᾽ EVTEXVOL, τοῦτο
the law- > » ” ͵ > ? yas, \ ᾽ ΄
giver. οὐκ ἐστιν ἐτι μίμημα, ἀλλ᾽ αὐτὸ TO ἀληθέστατον
Only we ane
have seen EKELVO 5
that no Σ
mass of NE. 2Q. Πάντως που.
men, either ἘΞ ᾿ ἣν , € , in
poor 5 ili. Καὶ μὴν ἐμπροσθὲ ye ὡμολογημένον ἡμῖν
rich, is
a \ a 476 A \ 5
competent Κεῖται μηδὲν πλῆθος μηδ᾽ ἡντινοῦν δυνατὸν εἶναι Aa-
to do this. a ,
And if an βεῖν TEXYNV.
individual “ i
Teen NE, 3Q. Κεῖται yap οὖν.
aaa EE. Οὐκοῦν εἰ μὲν ἔστι βασιλική τις τέχνη, TO
Bere 10T@V πλουσίων πλῆθος καὶ ὃ ξύμπας δῆμος οὐκ ἂν
pen ne ΠΌΤΕ λάβοι τὴν πολιτικὴν ταύτην ἐπιστήμην.
nearest a \ Oy
oe ee ee λαός |
ἘΣ ΕΠ HE. Δεῖ δὴ τὰς τοιαύτας γε, ὡς ἔοικε, πολιτείας,
ΡΝ ἜΣΕΙ ΄, = \ \ , \ -" res
torightgo- εἰ μέλλουσι καλῶς τὴν ἀληθινὴν ἐκείνην τὴν τοῦ ἑνὸς
vernment
by states, Σ 7 » τ A } cf :
by stag, τὸ μετά τέχνης ἄρχοντος πολιτείαν εἰς δυναμιν μιμησα-
the strict σθαι O€MOTE κειμένων αὐτοῖς τῶν VO δὲ
observance abel) Wis εἰμ ie Ἢ 5 me ae μῆοεν
of the laws σριεῖν Tapa τὰ γεγραμμένα καὶ πάτρια ἔθη.
and cus- ρ γέγραμμ ρ μ)
toms of NE. 30. Καλλιστ᾽ εἴρηκας.
their fore- ὩΣ “7 ὧν β " ᾿ A
ee HE. Ὅταν apa ol πλούσιοι ταύτην μιμῶνται,
YY hen Θ
Ἂ ’ 35 / ἴω Χ ᾽ὔ
rich do so, 20TOTE ἀριστοκρατίαν καλοῦμεν τὴν τοιαύτην πολι-
it 15 arl- a! Beas Q νι i x ; 5
stocracy; τείαν᾽ omoTay δὲ τῶν νόμων μὴ φροντίζωσιν, ὀλι-
when they ;
neglect the γαρχίαν.
laws, it is ‘
oligarchy. NE. >Q. Κινδυνεύει.
When one — NRT 5 a » Nee
rules ac- HE. Kai μὴν ὁπόταν αὖ *ris* εἷς ἀρχῃ κατὰ vo-
cording to , δ > , , =
law, itis 25 MOUS, μιμούμενος TOV ἐπιστήμονα, βασιλέα καλοῦ-
royalty ; > l > 7 N 2 9 7 ΕΣ
ean μεν, ov διορίζοντες ὀνόματι Tov μετ᾽ ἐπιστήμης ἢ
spite of ὃ , Nt a
law, falsely δόξης κατὰ νόμους μοναρχοῦντα.
1. πᾶν] Cogn. or ady. ace. 24. αὖ κτις κα 1 MSS. αὖθις.
as in πᾶν τοὐναντίον. Cf. Legg. The correction is due to
4, 718 6: πᾶν ἀγαπητόν. Badham. Cf., however, Soph.
2. οὐκ---ἔτι μίμημα] Cf.Soph. Trach. 1234: μητρὶ μὲν θανεῖν
240 a: ἕτερον δὲ λέγεις τοιοῦτον ---σοί τ᾽ αὖθις ὡς ἔχεις ἔχειν.
ἀληθινόν ; Cratyl. 432 ¢. 26. ἢ δόξης κατὰ νόμους] The
Ρ. 30}}
e
—————————
p- 301
΄
™
ol.
MOAITIKOS.
NE. 2Q. Κινδυνεύομεν.
=A O 3 an 3) 37 > / yA x -
μ᾿. υκουν καν TLS ἀρὰ ἐπισΤΉμων οντῶς ὧν εἰς
yf ty / 5 ον \ Ν > \
ἄρχῃ. πάντως TO γε ὄνομα ταῦτον βασιλεὺς καὶ οὐδὲν
σ “ > aA \ \ / > /
ἕτερον προσρηθήσεται" Ov ἃ δὴ τὰ πέντε ὀνόματα
a ΄“ / - A / jf
τῶν νῦν λεγομένων πολιτειῶν EV μόνον γέγονεν.
ΝΕ. ΣΏ. Ἔοικε γοῦν.
μ- / > of / \ / / i EY
EE. Ti δ᾽ ὅταν μήτε κατὰ νόμους μῆτε κατὰ €On
΄ - yf “-“ \ og τ
TT party Tls εἰς aPpX@V, TT POO TTOLNT At δὲ WOTTEP O €7TL-
στήμων, OS ἄρα παρὰ τὰ γεγραμμένα TO ye βέλ-
΄ 3) v > / Ν y+ 7,
TLOTOV ποιητέον, ἢ δέ τις ἐπιθυμία καὶ ayVOLa τουτοῦυ
words κατὰ νόμους are a limita-
tion of μετὰ δόξης----μοναρχοῦντα,
not of ἐπιστήμης, and distin-
guish the constitutional mo-
narch from the tyrant.
4. OC ἃ δὴ----γέγονεν] “ Where-
fore we have found that the
five names of the constitutions,
of which men now speak,
are resolved into one only.”
Badham corrects A (i.e. τέτταρα)
δὴ τὰ πέντε ὀνόματα τῶν λε-
γομένων πολιτειῶν μόνον γέγονεν.
But how can the five have be-
come four, when the fifth kind
immediately reappears; and
all five are enumerated just
below? It is true that the
distinction of knowledge or
ignorance (or of the better
and worse imitation of know-
ledge) is substituted for the
distinction between persuasion
and force. But this applies in
a Measure to ἀριστοκρατία and
ὀλιγαρχία as well as to βασιλεία
and τύραννις. The true βασιλεὺς
is only introduced here in
order to define the tyrant who
affects to act the same part ;
and the words δ ἅ-- γέγονεν
recall the assertion of supr.
293 ὁ, that the government of
knowledge was the only go-
vernment (διαφερόντως ὀρθὴν καὶ
μόνην πολιτείαν), and the rest
not governments but imita-
tions of government, some
better and some worse. Cf.
also supr. 300 6: τὴν ἀληθίνην
ἐκείνην, THY τοῦ ἑνός. μετὰ τέχνης
ἄρχοντος. infr. :
μόναρχον. 302 6: τὴν ὀρθὴν ζη-
τοῦσι τοῦτο TO τμῆμα οὐκ TV
χρήσιμον. For νῦν, οἵ. 291 6:
πρὸς τὸ βίαιόν που καὶ ἑκούσιον
A a > ~
TOV €Va εκεινον
ἀποσκοποῦντες νῦν---προσαγορεύ-
ουσιν. Lege. 4, 714 Ὁ: πολιτειῶν
--- ἄρτι διεληλύθαμεν ὅσα λέγου-
σιν οἱ πολλοί.
8. προσποιῆται --- ἐπιστήμων |
Se. πράττειν. Compare the el-
lipse of the infinitive after φαί-
νομαι, εἶδον, &e.
ὥσπερ ὁ ἐπιστήμων) Se. πράτ-
τειν.
9. τό γε βέλτιστον] 7. 6.
Although in all else the laws
be observed.
10. ἐπιθυμία τε καὶ ἀγνοια----
ἡγουμένη] Cf. Rep. 8, 554 Ὁ:
οὐ γὰρ ἂν τυφλὸν ἡγεμόνα τοῦ
χοροῦ ἐστήσατο καὶ ἐτίμα μάλιστα.
Compare also the picture of
5
affecting
wisdom,
tyranny.
And when
one rules
by wisdom,
and is su-
perior to
the laws,
this too is
royalty, but
in a sense
which an-
nihilates
the other
so-called
govern-
ments,
The reason
of these
forms is,
that the
true mon-
arch is no-
where to
be found :
and men,
despairing
of his ad-
vent, have
had re-
course to
convention
and law.
—
160 MAATQNO> |
- / ξ΄ cad > / Ν -“
τοῦ μιμήματος ἡγουμένη, μῶν οὐ τότε τὸν τοιοῦτον Ῥ. 3011:
- /
ἕκαστον τύραννον κλητέον ; |
/
NE. 20. Ti pv;
- a \ / , , ͵, Ἀ
ΞΕ. Οὕτω δὴ τύραννος τε γέγονε, φαμέν, καὶ
\ Ν > / \ > / Ν
5 βασιλεὺς καὶ ὀλιγαρχία καὶ ἀριστοκρατία καὶ δημο-
/ ΄ A > ΄, Ν “ ἈΠ a)
κρατία, δυσχερανάντων τῶν ἀνθρώπων TOV Eva ἐκεῖ-
/ , / “ /
νον μόναρχον, καὶ ἀπιστησάντων μηδένα τῆς TOLAVTNS
> ΄“ ΕΥ x ͵ , cd > / Ν
ἀρχῆς ἄξιον ἂν γενέσθαι ποτέ, ὥστε ἐθέλειν καὶ ἃ
Ν 3 \ o / + \
δυνατὸν εἶναι μετὰ ἀρετῆς καὶ ἐπιστήμης ἄρχοντα τὰ
/ ͵ / lal ΄σ lal 4
10 δίκαια καὶ ὅσια διανέμειν ὀρθῶς πᾶσι, λωβᾶσθαι δὲ
Ν 5 / Ν lad a x nm ¢ /
καὶ ἀποκτιννύναι καὶ κακοῦν ὃν ἂν βουληθῇ ἑκάστοτε
ε a / / > a - / Cal /
ἡμῶν" ἐπεὶ γενόμενόν γ᾽ ἂν οἷον λέγομεν, ἀγαπᾶσθαί
Ἂ Ν 5 a a ’ ΄, > \
TE ἂν καὶ οἰκεῖν διακυβερνῶντα εὐδαιμόνως ὀρθὴν
lat 7 /
ἀκριβῶς μόνον πολιτείαν.
an > 2,
ι5 ΝΕ. ΣΏΩ. Ios & οὔ;
= > ΄, ee > "7 , ε \
BE. Nov δέ ye ὅποτε οὐκ ἐστι γιγνόμενος, ὡς δὴ
΄ὕ 3 ΖΞ: ὯΝ r \ @ > ,ὔ
φαμέν, ἐν ταῖς πόλεσι βασιλεὺς οἷος ἐν σμήνεσιν
ἐμφύεται, τό τε σῶμα εὐθὺς καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν διαφέρων e
the individual in a state οἵ
“tyranny” in book 9, esp. 572
6, Sqq.
4. καὶ βασιλεὺς] In the former
of the two senses mentioned
above.
7. καὶ ἀπιστησάντων]] Com-
pare the language of Aristotle
and of Plato himself in the
Laws, already quoted supr.,
notes on pp. 294, 296.
10. λωβᾶσθαι de] Se. ἡγου-
μένων πάντα twa ἂν, supplied
from ἀπιστησάντων μηδένα ἄν,
supr. Cf. Soph. Ant. 263:
alib.
12. ἀγαπᾶσθαι —adv| He
would be welcomed. Cf. Rep.
6, 499 6: Ὦ μακάριε, ἢν δ᾽ ἐγὼ,
μὴ πάνυ οὕτω τῶν πολλῶν κα-
τηγόρει, ἀλλοίαν τοι δόξαν ἕξουσιν
κιτ.λ.
14. μόνον] Masculine. Note
the inverted order and tragic
rhythm.
τό. ὁπότε οὐκ ἔστι γιγνόμενος]
“Since there does not arise a
king in states as in hives (at
least so we think), one un-
mistakeably surpassing both in
body and mind, it follows that
we are obliged to meet and
make enactments.” For this
meaning of ὁπότε = quoniam,
οἵ, Euthyd. 297 d, and com-
pare Ar. Pol. IIT. 8.
18. τό τε σῶμα εὐθὺς] 1. 6.
At the first glance, before his
ΠΟΛΙΓΙΚΟΣ.
161
ΟἹ. εἷς, δεῖ δὴ συνελθόντας Evyypappara γράφειν, ὡς
A / Ν “ ᾽ ΄ /
ἔοικε, μεταθέοντας τὰ τῆς ἀληθεστάτης πολιτείας
ἴχνη.
NE. 3Q. Κωνδυνεύει.
SE. Θαυμάζομεν δῆτα, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἐν ταῖς τοι-
/ / oe / / \ Ν
αὑταῖς πολιτείαις ὅσα ξυμβαίνει γίγνεσθαι κακὰ καὶ
o a a ε ΄,
οσα ξυμβήσεται, τοιαύτης τῆς κρηπῖδος ὑποκειμένης
> rn a \ jp yy, \ \ > /
QUTQLS, TNS KATA γράμματα καὶ ἔθη μὴ μετὰ ἐπιστη-
μῆς πραττούσης τὰς πράξεις ; ἑτέρα προσχρωμένη
Ν ,ὕ ς / δ / Nie Se 30 5. AS
παντὶ κατάδηλος ws πάντ᾽ ἂν διολέσειε TA “ET αὐτῇ"
/ Ἃ ἴω ὌΝ ΡΝ / a ¢
γιγνόμενα. ἢ ἐκεῖνο ἡμῖν θαυμαστέον μᾶλλον, ws
> ΄ / 3 Ν / 7, \ Χ
ἰσχυρὸν τι πόλις ἐστὶ φύσει ; πάσχουσαι yap δὴ
an , a / 5 / “ ay /
TOLQUTQA αἱ πολεις νυν χρόνον ATTEPAVTOV, OM@S EVLAL
> a / / / Ν > 3 7
TLVES αὐτῶν μονιίμοι TE εἰσι και οὐκ QUQT PETTOVTAL®
mental qualities can be known.
Cf. Ar. Pol. VII. 13 : Ei μὲν τοί-
νυν εἴησαν τοσοῦτον διαφέροντες
oe nr ΕΣ [τὲ \ \
ἅτεροι τῶν ἄλλων, ὅσον τοὺς θεοὺς
καὶ τοὺς ἥρωας ἡγούμεθα ἀνθρώπων
διαφέρειν, εὐθὺς πρῶτον κατὰ τὸ
σῶμα πολλὴν ἔχοντες ὑπερβολήν,
εἶτα κατὰ τὴν Ψυχὴν, ὥστε ἀναμ-
φισβήτητον εἶναι καὶ φανερὰν τὴν
ὑπεροχήν τοῖς ἀρχομένοις τὴν τῶν
9 ͵ = [τ , ΘΝ
ἀρχόντων, δῆλον ὅτι βέλτιον αἰεὶ
τοὺς αὐτοὺς μὲν ἄρχειν τοὺς δ᾽
ay , . > x ‘ a?
ἄρχεσθαι καθάπαξ' ἐπεὶ δὲ τοῦτ᾽
οὐ ῥάδιον λαβεῖν, οὐδέ
ὥσπερ ἐν Ἴνδοις φησὶ Σκύλαξ εἶναι
\ @ “- ,
τοὺς βασιλέας τοσοῦτον διαφέρον-
τας τῶν ἀρχομένων, φανερόν, κιτ.λ.
2. μεταθέοντας --- ἴχνη ἢ (ΟἿ
Soph. 226 ἃ : τοιόνδε τι μεταθέ-
οντας ἴχνος αὐτοῦ. Perhaps
there is a slight allusion to the
Homeric per ixvia βαῖνε θέοιο.
Cf. Pheedr. 266 "Ὁ.
7. τῆς κρηπίῖδο----τῆς--πρατ-
τούσης | Viz. ἃ responsible
executive.
ἐστιν,
9. ἑτέρα] Se. ἀρχὴ, or τέχνη,
which is naturally suggested
by the preceding argument.
προσχρωμένη | Se. τοιαύτῃ
κρηπῖδι. Stephanus conjectured
7 from the version of Ficinus :
quo si alia quedam gubernatio
vel civitas utatur. But for
the asyndeton, which is as-
sisted by παντὶ κατάδηλος as a
kind of particle, cf. the usage
with πάντως, 6. g. supr. 268 6.
Badh. con]. πραττούσης, 7 πρᾶξις
ἑτέρα.
10, τὰ ἐπ᾿ αὐτῇ | MSS.
τὰ ταύτη. Badh. corr. raw αὐτῇ.
Qy. ὑπ᾽ αὐτῇ 1
II. ὡς ἰσχυρόν τι πόλις ἐστὶ
φύσει] Compare Legg. 4, 708
6 : ἔμελλον λέγειν ὡς οὐδείς ποτε
ἀνθρώπων οὐδὲν νομοθετεῖ, τύχαι
δὲ καὶ ξυμφοραὶ παντοῖαι πίπτου-
σαι παντοίως νομοθετοῦσι τὰ
πάντα ἡμῖν.
14. μόνιμοι] E.g. Sparta. Cf.
Legg. 3, 686 a, b.
x Y
And do
we wonder
that many
evilsshould
arise in
states thus
based on
ignorant
custom ?
Ought
10 we not
rather to
admire the
strength of
the social
bond which
can endure
this strain ?
For there
are still
cities of
men which
have exist-
ed from
unknown
time,
though
many from
age to age
are seen to
founder,
like ships
at sea,
through
the preten-
tious igno-
rance of
their pilots
and mari-
ners.
Now let us
ask which
of these
bad go-
vernments
162
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Ν ᾿ al /
πολλαὶ μὴν ἐνίοτε καὶ καθάπερ πλοῖα καταδυόμεναι p. 3:}}
/ ΄σ΄ \ Ἀ
διόλλυνται καὶ διολώλασι καὶ ἔτι διολοῦνται διὰ τὴν
νΆς A σ΄: 7 “ Ν \
Tov κυβερνητῶν καὶ ναυτῶν μοχθηρίαν τῶν περὶ τὰ
/ » 5) / a Ν \
EYLOTA με (OT) V αγνοιαν εἰλγ OT@MV, οἱ περι TA πο-
ead Y: ’
\ , aN / € lal \ ΄
5 λιτικα ΚΑΤ οὐδὲν γιγνωσκοντες NYOVVTAL κατὰ TTAVTA
/ ΄σ ’ ΄σ / ΕῚ /
σαφέστατα πασῶν ἐπιστημῶν ταύτην εἰληφέναι.
NE. 30. ᾿Αληθέστατα.
> \ a ΄ lad /
BE. Tis οὖν δὴ τῶν οὐκ ὀρθῶν πολιτειῶν τούτων
“ Χ κι a lal » lad Ν
ἥκιστα χαλεπὴ συζῆν, πασῶν χαλεπῶν οὐσῶν, καὶ
7 a a c n 7 ΄
τοτίς βαρυτάτη ; δεῖ τι κατιδεῖν ἡμᾶς, καίπερ προς γε
Ν al \ Chae / , > \
TO νῦν προτεθὲν ἡμῖν πάρεργον λεγόμενον ; οὐ μὴν
3 ’ 3) Ν “ 5 7 LY a /
adr εἰς ye TO ὅλον tows TavO EvEeKa TOU τοιούτου
πάντες δρῶμεν χάριν.
I. πολλαὶ μὴν --- εἰληφέναι |
“Many however also from time
to time are seen to founder
like ships at sea, and thus are
perishing, have perished, and
shall hereafter perish, because
of the vileness of their pilots
and crews ; men guilty of the
greatest ignorance on the
greatest subject ; who, having
absolutely no inkling of po-
litical science, believe them-
selves at all points above all
other sciences to have master-
ed this.” Compare the de-
seription of the “ship’s crew”
in Rep. 6, 488.
καθάπερ πλοῖ] Cf. Legg.
6,758 a: vats τε ἐν θαλάσσῃ
πλέουσα -- πόλις δὲ ὡσαύτως ἐν
κλύδωνι τῶν ἄλλων πόλεων.
2. διόλλυνται ---- διολοῦνται |
Cf. supr. 268e; Tim 22 ¢;
Legg. 3, 676 Ὁ; 688 d. Hat.
is
3. τὰ μέγιστα] Sc. τὰ πο-
λιτικά. CF. Legg. By, (tex) ὩΣ:
τῇ λοίπῃ τε πάσῃ κακίᾳ διεφθαρ-
μένα, μάλιστα δὲ τῇ περὶ τὰ
μέγιστα τῶν ἀνθρωπίνων πραγ-
Rep. 6, 504 6:
τῶν δὲ μεγίστων μὴ μεγίστας
ἀξιοῦν εἶναι τὰς ἀκριβείας.
4. μεγίστην ἄγνοιαν ἡ 1. 6.
the conceit of knowledge. ΟἿ.
Soph. 229 ¢: ἀγνοίας ---- εἶδος,
πᾶσι τοῖς ἄλλοις αὐτῆς ἀντίσταθ-
μον μέρεσιν.
5. kar οὐδὲν] Opposed to
κατὰ πάντα.
, > ,
μάτων ἀμαθίᾳ.
9. χαλεπὴ συζῆν] Like
χαλεποὶ συγγενέσθαι, Rep. 1,
330 6.
II. οὐ μὴν---χάρι»)] Cf. Ar.
Eth. Nic. 11. 3: τὸ redos οὐ γνῶ-
σις ἀλλὰ πρᾶξις.
12. ἕνεκα---χάριν)] Cf. Legg.
3, οι ἃ: τὸ τίνος δὴ χάριν
ἕνεκα ταῦτα ἐλέχθη.
τοῦ τοιούτου | Not τοῦ
παρέργου (Stallb.), but “for
the sake of making life toler-
able.”
R02,
c
d
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
109
NE. ΣΏ. Δεῖ" πῶς & οὖ:
EE. Τὴν αὐτὴν τοίνυν φάθι τριῶν οὐσῶν χαλε-
Χ / / 4 es
πὴν διαφερόντως γίγνεσθαι καὶ ῥᾷστην.
ΝΕ. ΣΏ. Πῶς φής:
ΞΕ. Οὐκ ἄλλως, πλὴν μοναρχίαν φημὶ καὶ ὀλί.
a 5 ἴω / c ΄σ΄'
γων ἀρχὴν καὶ πολλῶν, εἶναι τρεῖς ταύτας ἡμῖν λεγο-
a an / ᾽ 3 ’
μένας τοῦ νῦν ἐπικεχυμένου λόγου κατ᾽ ἀρχᾶας.
NE. Σῶ. Ἦσαν γὰρ οὖν.
/ / / / / ς ’ὔ’
HE. Ταύτας τοίνυν δίχα τέμνοντες μίαν ἐκαστὴν
ἃ A \ 3 \ Ν 3 / ,
ἐξ ποιῶμεν, τὴν ὀρθὴν χωρὶς ἀποκρίναντες τούτων 10
ἑβδόμην.
NE. ΣΩ. Πώς:
is the least
intolera-
ble? The
same under
different
conditions
is the worst
and the
5 least bad.
For of the
three men-
tioned—
monarchy,
the rule of
few, and de-
mocracy—
each may
be divided
into two,
so that the
forms, in-
cluding the
best and
HE. Ἔκ μὲν τῆς μοναρχίας βασιλικὴν καὶ τυραν- nly form,
/ 3 > 3 lod Νὴ la / yt?
νικὴν, EK O αὖ τῶν μὴ πολλῶν THY TE εὐώνυμον
2, ay > / ἊΝ 3 / 0)
εφαμεν εἰναι ἀριστοκρατίαν καὶ ὀλιγαρχίαν
a a {/ \\ ε lal ΕῚ 7 3207
τῶν πολλῶν τότε μὲν ἁπλῆν ἐπονομάζοντες ἐτίθεμεν
a \ 5 ,ὔ Coa ,ὕ 5. ΣῊΝ
δημοκρατίαν, νῦν δὲ αὖ καὶ ταύτην ἡμῖν θετέον ἐστὶ
διπλῆν.
NE. ΣΏ. Πῶς 67; καὶ τίνι διαιροῦντες ταύτην ;
EE. Οὐδὲν διαφέροντι
8. Οὐκ ἄλλως κιτ.λ.} “1 only
revert to what I said before.
I say that monarchy, the rule
of few, and the rule of many,
were the three forms of go-
vernment of which we spoke
at the beginning of this new
discussion.”
ἡ. τοῦ viv—kar ἀρχάς] ΟἿ,
Legg. 7, 793 Ὁ : 6 νῦν δὴ λόγος
ἡμῖν ἐπιχυθείς. Cf. Rep. 1, 344
d: ὥσπερ Badaveds ἡμῶν καταν-
τλήσας κατὰ τῶν ὦτων ἀθρόον καὶ
πολὺν τὸν λόγον. Soph. 264 ¢:
ἔτι μείζων κατεχύθη σκοτοδινία.
See also Legg. 3, 682 a: τοῦ
w
are seven
in all.
Under
ἐκ δ᾽ αὖ 15 monarchy
we have
already dis-
tinguished
royalty and
tyranny :
under the
rule of few,
aristocracy
and oli-
an 7 5» +
τῶν ἄλλων, οὐδ᾽ εἰ TOU- 2° garchy.
νῦν ἐπελθόντος ἡμῖν μύθου.
14---τό. τῶν μὴ πολλῶν----τῶν
πολλῶν] Abbreviated for τῆς
τῶν μὴ π.---τῆς τῶν π.
14. εὐώνυμον] “ Of auspicious
name.” Compare the turn of
the sentence in Rep. 8, 544 d:
καὶ ἡ γενναία δὴ τυραννὶς καὶ πα-
σῶν τούτων διαφέρουσα.
20. Οὐδὲν διαφέροντι] By the
same mark as in the other
cases. Lit. “By a mark in
nowise different from the
rest.”
29? > ela 4
οὐδ᾽ εἰ τοὔνομα--- ταύτης 1 If
we translate, “Even though
2
-
And the
same dis-
tinction
enters into
democracy:
although
in this case
both parts
are called
by the one
name,
There is
one demo-
cracywhich
observes,
and ano-
ther which
neglects,
the laws.
Now of
these six,
constitu-
tional mon-
archy is the
best and
tyranny is
the worst.
Oligarchy
and aristo-
"ι
104
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
3 “ » Ν ᾽ \ , Ν "
νομα ἤδη διπλοῦν ἐστὶ ταύτης" ἀλλὰ TO TE κατὰ p. 30 Ἢ
/ » ΄ yy Ν ’ Ν
νόμους ἄρχειν καὶ παρανόμως ἐστι καὶ ταύτῃ καὶ 6
ταῖς ἄλλαις.
NE, ΣΩ. Ἔστι γὰρ οὖν.
/ ΄ Νὴ Νὴ ΄“ lal Ν
EE. Tore μὲν τοίνυν τὴν ὀρθὴν ζητοῦσι τοῦτο τὸ
“ > 53 c ’ ΄σ /
τμῆμα οὐκ ἢν χρήσιμον, ws ἐν τοῖς πρόσθεν ἀπε-
δείξαμεν᾽ ἐπειδὴ δὲ ἐξείλομεν ἐκείνην, τὰς δ᾽ ἄλλας
Wy, 3 / ’ / Ν Ν 7 Ν
ἐθεμεν αναγκαίιᾶς, EV ταῦταις δὴ TO παράνομον και
"7 c 7 ΄σ ’
ἔννομον ἑκάστην διχοτομεῖ τούτων.
NE. 2Q. [Ἔοικε τούτου νῦν ῥηθέντος τοῦ λόγου.
΄σ ‘ 7
=E. Movapxia τοίνυν ζευχθεῖσα μὲν ἐν γράμμασιν
> la A / 7 ert? “ “ “
ἀγαθοῖς, ovs νόμους λέγομεν, ἀριστὴ πασῶν τῶν ἕξ
yy \ \ Ν ie -
ἄνομος δὲ χαλεπὴ καὶ βαρυτατὴ ξυνοικῆσαι.
NE. ΣΏ. Κινδυνεύει.
Χ ΄ lal a CoN
EE. Τὴν δέ ye τῶν μὴ πολλῶν, ὥσπερ ἑνὸς Kal
the name of this constitution
is already twofold,” this seems
inconsistent with 292 a. But
Stallbaum ingeniously suggests
that Plato here alludes to
a distinction, which, though
not in common use, had been
invented by some philosopher.
Still it is difficult to see the
bearing of the clause when
thus interpreted. Something is
required im which democracy
may be seen to differ from
the other names. And this is
supplied by the accidental dif-
ference that democracy has a
twofold meaning, is one word
for two things, whereas in
each of the former cases there
was a name for either side of
the division. “ Even though,
when we come to democracy
(7δη ταύτης), we find that the
name has a twofold mean-
ing.”
λοῦν.
Cf. Pheedr. 244 ἃ, ἀπ-
5. τοῦτο τὸ τμῆμα] This
section, viz. the distinction
between the use and neglect
of law, which was shewn to
make no essential difference
in the conduct of the perfect
ruler. Supr. 292, sqq.
6. ὡς ἐν τοῖς πρόσθεν ἀπε-
δείξαμεν] It has been shewn
that questions of law are in-
different to the ruler who
has perfect knowledge. Supr.
293:
8. ἀναγκαίας} I.e. Such as we
are compelled to put up with.
Compare ἀναγκαίως, e.g. Rep.
7,527 a: λέγουσι ---- γελοίως τε
καὶ ἀναγκαίως.
11. ζευχθεῖσα μὲν ἐν γράμμασιν
ἀγαθοῖς] ‘Subject to a yoke
of good prescriptions.”
15. ὥσπερ ἑνὸς καὶ πλήθους τὸ
p- aa
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΙΚΟΣ.
105
03. πλήθους το ὀλίγον μέσον, οὕτως ἡγησώμεθα μέσην
Qe) > / Ν ᾽ 53 a / Ν ΄
ἐπ᾿ ἀμφότερα τὴν δ᾽ αὖ τοῦ πλήθους κατὰ πάντα
ἀσθενῆ καὶ μηδὲν μήτε ἀγαθὸν μήτε κακὸν μέγα
/ « \ \ aA ὃ \ Ν \ > ‘ »
δυναμένην ὡς προς Tas ἄλλας διὰ τὸ Tas apxas ἐν
7, “ \ ‘\ > / Ἂς
ταύτῃ διανενεμῆσθαι κατὰ σμικρὰ εἰς πολλους. διὸ 5
/ a \ , a ΄σ > ΄σ
γέγονε TACOMVY μὲν νομιμῶὼν τῶν πολιτειῶν ουσῶν
/ > ny lal
τούτων χειρίστη, παρανόμων δ᾽ οὐσῶν ξυμπασῶν
βελτίστη"
» / My a » lal 5
καὶ ἀκολάστων μὲν πασῶν οὐσῶν ἐν
7 lal ζω / » > lal (vA >
δημοκρατίᾳ νικᾷ ζῆν, κοσμίων δ᾽ οὐσῶν ἥκιστα ἐν
, , ἢ - ΄ \ Ν κ᾿ ᾽
ταύτῃ βιωτέον, ἐν τῇ πρώτῃ δὲ πολὺ πρῶτον TE καὶιο
y+ Ν A « " a \ > /
ἄριστον, πλὴν THs EBdouNns’ πασῶν yap ἐκείνην γε
ὀλίγον μέσον | There is a
Pythagorean tone ἴῃ these
words, similar to that which
is observable in the Politics of
Aristotle.
4. διὰ τὸ Tas ἀρχὰς---εἰς ποὰλ-
λούς] The remarks of Aristotle,
that much water is less easily
fouled than little, and that bad
influences in a democracy are
neutralized by admixture with
wholesome elements, as in the
case of food, have an analogy
with this observation of Plato.
8. καὶ ἀκολάστων μὲν---βιω-
τέον] This opinion is quoted
by Aristotle as that of one of
those who had gone before
him. Pol. LV. 2: τὴν τυραννίδα
χειρίστην οὖσαν, πλεῖστον ἀπέχειν
Δεύτερον δὲ τὴν ὀλι-
γαρχίαν᾽ ἡ γὰρ ἀριστοκρατία δι-
έστηκεν ἀπὸ ταύτης πολὺ τῆς
μετριωτάτην δὲ τὴν
δημοκρατίαν. Ἤδη μὲν οὖν τις
ἀπεφήνατο καὶ πρότερον
οὕτω, οὐ μὴν εἰς ταὐτὸ βλέψας
ἡμῖν" ἐκεῖνος μὲν γὰρ ἔκρινε, πα-
σῶν μὲν οὐσῶν
πολιτείας.
,
πολιτείας"
τῶν
Ὃν
οἷον
ὀλιγαρχίας τε χρηστῆς καὶ τῶν
ἄλλων χειρίστην δημοκρατίαν,
ἐπιεικῶν,
τῶν δὲ φαύλων ἀρίστην. ᾿Ἡμεῖς
δὲ ὅλως ταύτας ἐξημαρτημένας
εἶναί φαμεν" καὶ βελτίω μὲν ὀλι-
γαρχίαν ἄλλην ἄλλης οὐ καλῶς
ἔχει λέγειν, ἧττον δὲ φαύλην.
See also ib. c. 4. It will be
observed that the last words
exactly express the doctrine
of the Politicus: so that if
Aristotle is alluding to this
dialogue he has misunder-
stood the author's meaning.
This does not prove that he
does not refer to this passage,
but it does tend to shew that
he is quoting loosely without
thinking of the context, and
perhaps without distinctly re-
membering the author from
whom he quotes. τις τῶν
πρότερον is certainly a cu-
rious expression for him to
use, if he remembered that he
was quoting Plato. But the
saying may perhaps be older
than either of them. See
Introduction to the States-
man. For the infinitive, as
subject of νικᾷ, cf. Soph. Cd.
Col. 1225 : μὴ φῦναι τὸν ἅπαντα
νικᾷ λόγον.
cracy are
interme-
diate, and
democracy
is the least
powerful
for good or
harm.
Whence a
democracy
is the worst
of law-
respecting
communi-
ties, but the
least bad
amongst
thosewhich
I Z
despise the
laws.
Still, there
is no com-
parison be-
tween even
constitu-
tional roy-
alty and
the ideal
state.
None of
these forms
deserve the
name of
govern-
ment: and
their up-
holders are
not states-
men, but
factious
partisans.
We have
done, then,
with this
“crew of
Centaurs
166
MAATQNOZ
’ , - Ν 5 ΕἸ /, > cal Μ ;
ἐκκριτέον, οἷον θεὸν ἐξ ἀνθρώπων, ἐκ τῶν ἄλλων p. 30}.
πολιτειῶν.
NE. ΣΩ, Φαίνεται τοῦθ᾽ οὕτω ξυμβαίνειν τε καὶ
!
/ τ /
ποιητέον ἧπερ λέγεις.
boomed > ΄ \ ἐν Ν ἈΝ / ΄σ
5 ΞΕ, Οὐκοῦν δὴ καὶ τοὺς κοινωνοὺς τουτων τῶν
΄ ΄- Ν lad > / 5 /
πολιτειῶν πασῶν, πλὴν τῆς ἐπιστήμονος, ἀφαιρετέον
« > "7 Χ > \ / Ν
ὡς οὐκ ovTas πολιτικοὺς ἀλλα στασιαστικοῦς, καὶ
a7 7 ΄ ΕΣ κ » \ 5
εἰδώλων μεγίστων προστάτας OVTAS καὶ αὐτοὺς εἰναι
\ 3, \ LA
τοιούτους, μεγίστους δὲ ὄντας μιμητὰς καὶ γόητας
/ / a ΄σ ,
το μεγίστους γίγνεσθαι τῶν σοφιστῶν σοφιστας.
a \
NE. 50. Κινδυνεύει τοῦτο εἰς τοὺς πολιτικοὺς
λεγομένους περιεστράφθαι τὸ ῥῆμα ὀρθότατα.
5 a \ “ (5D cd qn
SE. Elev’ τοῦτο μὲν ἀτεχνῶς ἡμῖν ὥσπερ δρᾶμα,
I. οἷον θεὸν ἐξ ἀνθρώπων]
Compare Aristotle, Pol. III. 8:
ei δέ τις ἐστὶν εἰς τοσοῦτον δια-
φέρων κατ᾽ ἀρετῆς ὑπερβολὴν ---
ὥσπερ γὰρ θεὸν ἐν ἀνθρώποις
εἰκὸς εἶναι τὸν τοιοῦτον.
ἡ. οὐκ ὄντας πολιτικοὺς ἀλλὰ
στασιαστικούς] Cf. Lege. 8, 832
b: τὰς οὐ πολιτείας ἔγωγε αἰτίας
εἶναί φημι ἃς πολλάκις εἴρηκα ἐν
τοῖς πρόσθεν λόγοις, δημοκρατίαν
καὶ ὀλιγαρχίαν καὶ τυραννίδα. τού-
τῶν γὰρ δὴ πολιτεία μὲν οὐδεμία,
στασιωτεῖαι δὲ πᾶσαι λέγοιντ᾽ ἂν
ὀρθότατα.
στασιαστικοὺ}] This is the
salient point also in the al-
legory of the ship: Rep. 6,
488.
8. εἰδώλων] Viz. τῶν οὐ πο-
λιτειῶν ἐκείνων.
9. τοιούτου: 7 Se. εἴδωλα.
“The very substance of the
ambitious is but the shadow
of a dream.” Cf. Phedo 67 b:
καθαροὶ ἀπαλλαττόμενοι ---- μετὰ
τοιούτων---ἐσόμεθα.
11, Κινδυνεύει----ὀρθότατα] So
above, 291 6, the same cha-
racter is described as τὸν πάν-
τῶν τῶν σοφιστῶν μέγιστον γόητα
καὶ ταύτης τῆς τέχνης ἐμπειρότα-
τον, in both places with direct
reference to the argument of
the Sophist, in which the false
politician (not πολιτικὸς but
δημολογικὸς) is distinguished
from the Sophist last of all
(Soph. sub. fin.). Cf. Gorg.
465 6: φύρονται ἐν τῷ αὐτῷ καὶ
περὶ ταὐτὰ σοφισταὶ καὶ ῥήτορες.
Ib. 520 a: ταὐτὸν ὦ μακάριε,
ἐστὶ σοφιστὴς καὶ ῥήτωρ.
12. περιεστράφθαι probably al-
ludes to the windings of the
argument in the Sophist.
“ After so much turning and
twisting, the word has at last
fixed itself on them.”
13. τοῦτο μὲν --- ἐχωρίσθη |
τοῦτο has no verb, because the
end of the sentence is altered
to agree with the middle:
thus ἐχωρίσθη is substituted
for ἐπεράνθη, or some such
word. The clause καθάπερ----
eee eee ae
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ. 167
1) 3°3- καθάπερ ἐρρήθη viv δὴ Kevravpixov ὁρᾶσθαι καὶ
/ 7 A ‘ / > Ν
Σατυρικὸν τινα θίασον, ὃν δὴ χωριστέον amo πολιτι-
a SA / a 0 7 7 >
ἃ κῆς εἴη τέχνης, νῦν οὕτω πάνυ μόγις ἐχωρίσθη.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Φαδνεται.
7 oO ΕἾ ,
mE. Τούτου δέ γ᾽ ἕτερον ere χαλεπώτερον λεί-
πεται τῷ ξυγγενές τε ὁμοῦ εἶναι μᾶλλον τῷ βασιλικῷ
ιν γγένες μου ε μ .
, / /
γένει καὶ δυσκαταμαθητότερον. καί μοι φαινομεθα
a A Ν 7 “
τοῖς τὸν χρυσὸν καθαίρουσι. πάθος ὅμοιον πεπον-
ie
θέναι.
ΠΣ ΩΣ Πός:
lal 7 7ὔ “
HE. Γῆν που καὶ λίθους καὶ πόλλ᾽ ἄττα ἕτερα
,7ὔ ΄σ , « 7 \
ἀποκρίνουσι καὶ ἐκεῖνοι TPOTEPOY οἱ δημιουργοί μετὰ
\ a / \ ω ΄σ
δὲ ταῦτα λείπεται ξυμμεμιγμένα τὰ ξυγγενῆ τοῦ
“ / / 4, Ν Ν
χρυσοῦ τίμια καὶ πυρὶ μόνον ἀφαιρετά, χαλκὸς καὶ
3) 3 ἐλ Ne, , x aA % \ ΄’
ἄργυρος, ἐστι δ᾽ OTE καὶ ἀδαμας, *|a|* μετὰ βασανων
a ε , y 5... 7 Ν /
ταῖς ἐψήσεσι μόγις ἀφαιρεθέντα τὸν λεγόμενον
’ Ν 57 ἴω a Ν ΄ ΕῚ
ἀκήρατον χρυσὸν εἴασεν ἡμᾶς ἰδεῖν αὐτὸν μόνον ἐφ
ἑαυτοῦ.
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Λέγεται γὰρ οὖν δὴ ταῦτα οὕτω γίγ-
νεσθαι.
SE. Κατὰ τὸν αὐτὸν τοίνυν λόγον ἔοικε καὶ νῦν
eon \ \ a Ἀν RG , 3 ῇ Ν \ \
ἡμῖν τὰ μὲν ETEPA καὶ ὁποσα ἀλλοτρια καὶ τὰ μὴ
, - 3 , 3 / ,
φίλα πολιτικῆς ἐπιστήμης ἀποκεχωρίσθαι, λείπεσθαι
\ \ / a 7
δὲ τὰ τίμια καὶ ξυγγενῆ. τούτων δ᾽ ἐστί που στρα-
θίασον is suggested by the word more striking image. See this
δρᾶμα.
6. τῷ ξυγγενές τε ὁμοῦ εἶναι]
So Bodl. MS. Vulg. τῷ ξυγγενές
θ᾽ ὁμοῦτ᾽.
12. καὶ ἐκεῖνοι] Here also the
text follows the Bodleian MS.
13. Ta ovyyevn τοῦ χρυσοῦ
τίμια] The fusion of platinum
would have afforded a still
described in Faraday’s Che-
mistry of a Candle, pp. 184-
204.
15. «[a@]* 1 So Stephanus
and Ficinus. MSS. om.
τῇ. αὐτὸν μόνον ἐφ᾽ ἑαυτοῦ]
Cf. supr. 268 ¢: χωρίσαντες ἀπ᾽
ἐκείνων καθαρὸν μόνον αὐτὸν ἀπο-
φήνωμεν.
and Sa-
tyrs,” and
have sever-
ed them,
once for all,
from the
King.
But there
5 remains an
element
still harder
to separate,
becauseless
easy to be
discerned,
and more
of kin to
the subject
of inquiry.
Like re-
finers of
gold, we
have got
rid of the
earth and
dross, but
have not
1z yet elimi-
nated the
precious
metals
which are
in combi-
nation with
that which
we seek to
bring out
20 Clear.
These pre-
cious and
kindred
elements
are gene-
ralship, the
judicial
function,
Io
and that
nobler rhe-
toric which
is the ally
of good
govern-
ment.
We must
do our best
to part
these off
from the
supreme
science.
Take music
and the
mechanical
arts. There
can be no
doubt that
they must
yield prece-
dencetothe
art which
determines
which of
them is to
be learnt.
168
ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
/ Ν \ ἂν “ ΄“ “A
τηγία καὶ δικαστικὴ καὶ ὅση βασιλικῇ κοινωνοῦσα Pp. 36 }}:
e Ν ΄σ \
ῥητορεία πείθουσα τὸ δίκαιον ξυνδιακυβερνᾷ Tas ἐν
a ͵ ΄, ἃ A . , es ,
ταῖς πόλεσι πράξεις" ἃ δὴ *Tin* τρόπῳ ῥάστά τις
᾽ 1% / Ν Ν / > lad >
ἀπομερίζων δείξει γυμνὸν καὶ μόνον ἐκεῖνον καθ
CaN \ / c ’ e a
5QavTOV τὸν ζητούμενον ὑφ᾽ ἡμῶν ;
NE. 3Q. Δῆλον ὅτι τοῦτό πῃ δρᾷν πειρατέον.
,ὔ κ΄ \ 7 \
SE. Πείρας μὲν τοίνυν ἕνεκα φανερὸς ἐσται" διὰ
δὲ μουσικῆς αὐτὸν ἐγχειρητέον δηλῶσαι.
λέγε.
ΝΕ. ΣΏΩ. Τὸ ποῖον ;
!
και μοι
“ 3, « ΄ 7,
HE. Μουσικῆς ἔστι πού τις ἡμῖν μάθησις, καὶ
7 a ΄-
ὅλως τῶν περὶ χειροτεχνίας ἐπιστημῶν ;
ΝΕ. ΣΩ. Ἔστιν.
BE. Τί δέ; τὸ δ᾽ αὖ τούτων ἡντινοῦν εἴτε δεῖ
I. καὶ ὅση --- πράξει] Such
a higher rhetoric is hinted at
in the Phedrus and Gorgias,
but more ironically than here.
Cf. Gorg. 480 0,6: Pheedr.
271 ἃ, e. The word ῥητο-
peta is peculiar to this place.
Perhaps, as Stallbaum thinks,
it conveys a nobler idea than
pntopxn. The admission of
rhetoric into the state is a
return to nature similar to
the adoption of paid teachers
which accompanies it in the
Laws. Cf. Lege. 4,711 d,e: ἢ
τὴν Νέστορος---φύσιν, ὃν τῇ τοῦ
λέγειν ῥώμῃ φασὶ πάντων διενεγ-
κόντα ἀνθρώπων πλέον ἔτι τῷ
σωφρονεῖν διαφέρειν κιτιλ. The
προοίμια ΟΥ̓ νουθετητικοὶ λόγοι οἵ
that dialogue are an example
of the kind of rhetoric here
meant. Compare also the re-
admission of the practical sci-
ences in the Philebus.
3. xTlvex τρόπῳ ῥᾷστα] I have
ventured to accent ri and to
add the mark of interrogation,
as the superlative seems to be
otherwise without meaning ;
and the answer of Young
Socrates is at least equally
apposite when the words are
thus taken. Cf. Soph. 241 e;
Legg. 6, 779 6 : ἣν δὴ τίνα τρό-
πον χρὴ ζῇν νύμφιον καὶ νυμφήν ;
A similar change has still to be
made in the text of Phileb. 26
Θ᾽: τέταρτόν τι τότε ἔφαμεν εἶναι
γένος σκεπτέον : ubi legend. τέ-
ταρτον τί tore. See Mr. Poste’s
translation.
14. Τί δέ; τὸ δ᾽ αὖ] Ast’s
conj., τί δὲ τόδ᾽ ad; has been
adopted by the Zurich editors.
τούτων ἡντινοῦν κιτ.λ.}] This
thought was afterwards deve-
loped into the ἀρχιτεκτονική of
Aristotle. See esp. Eth. Nie.
I. 2.. Pol. VIL. 9 Compare
Plat. Euthyd. 289, 290 ; Cra-
tyl.390a. Gorg.517e. Legg.
b
—- ---- ————
CN
-
ζω
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
109
3 / 53 > ‘ an Ἃ lal
αὖ καὶ ταύτην εἰναί τινα περὶ αὐτὰ ταῦτα, ἢ πῶς;
o Cy /
NE. 2Q. Οὕτως, εἰναι φησομεν.
ἘΠῚ) Οὐ an Chee « / 5 7, Ss
joy Ld υκουν ετερὰν ομολογήησομεν EKELYMV εἰναι
/
TQUTNY ;
NE. =Q. Nai.
HE. Πότερα δ᾽ αὐτῶν οὐδεμίαν ἄρχειν Sew ἄλλην
yy Cayee de / , ΕΝ ’, σ΄ » ’
ἄλλης, ἢ ἐκείνας ταύτης, ἢ ταυτὴν δεῖν ἐπιτροπευου-
37) a “ yy
σαν ἄρχειν ξυμπασῶν τῶν ἄλλων ;
NE. ΣΏ. Ταύτην ἐκείνων.
EE. [Τὴν] εἰ δεῖ μανθάνειν ἢ μὴ τῆς μανθανο-
Υ͂ Ν ὃ ὃ / 357 ᾽ὔ Ε] > / ὃ “
μενὴς καὶ ὀιθασκουσης apa σὺ γ ἀποφαίνει ειν
ἡμῖν ἄρχειν ;
NE. ΣΩ. Σφόδρα γε.
BE. Καὶ τὴν εἰ δεῖ πείθειν ἄρα ἢ μὴ τῆς δυνα-
/ ,
μένης πείθειν :
NE. 2Q. Πῶς δ᾽ ov ;
— 5 τε ͵ Ν ἈΝ 53 3 / >
SE. Kiev τίνι τὸ πειστικὸν οὖν ἀποδώσομεν ἐπι-
στήμῃ πλήθους τε καὶ ὄχλου διὰ μυθολογίας ἀλλὰ
μὴ διὰ διδαχῆς ;
NE. 2Q. Φανερόν, οἶμαι, καὶ τοῦτο ῥητορικῇ δο-
, "
ΤΕΟΡν OV.
ΜΞῈ. Τὸ δ᾽ εἴτε διὰ πειθοῦς εἴτε καὶ διά τινος βίας
12, 963: νοῦν γὰρ δὴ κυβερνη-
τικὸν μὲν καὶ ἰατρικὸν εἴπομεν ---
τὸν δὲ πολιτικὸν ἐλέγχοντες ἐν-
ταῦθ᾽ ἔσμεν νῦν.
τι. [Τὴν] εἰ δεῖ μανθάνειν ἢ μή]
The old editors, supported by
few MSS., insert τὴν before «i,
which Stallbaum has retained.
The Zurich editors read ταύτην
ἐκείνων, εἰ δεῖ μανθάνειν ἢ μή.
=. τῆς μ. καὶλ. But the tenor
ἜΣ
of the argument makes the
retention of τὴν almost impe-
rative. Compare similar spe-
cimens of analogical reasoning
in the Gorgias.
18. πειστικὸν͵] This word is
used again in Legg. 4, 723 a.
20. μὴ διὰ διδαχῆς] Cf. Gorg.
445a; Theet. 201 a,b. Com-
pare the opposition of μῦθος
and λόγος in Gorg. 523 a.
, CR AN "} ΄ / / > ,
o4. mavOavew ἡμᾶς εἴτε μὴ, πότερα φήσομεν ἐπιστήμην δ of the
art of per-
suasion.
This must *
yield to
the art
which de-
cides whe-
5 ther per-
suasion or
force is to
be used:
i. 6. the art
of states-
mansbip.
Then gene-
ralship de-
cides how
war is to
be conduct-
ed: but the
prior ques-
tion of war
or peace
must be
decided by
another
and more
authorita-
tive art,
which can
be nothing
less than
royal.
170 ITAATQNOZ
’ ᾽ « a“ ΕΥ ‘ ,
δεῖ πράττειν πρὸς τινας ὁτιοῦν ἢ καὶ TO παράπαν Pp. 3h
” Als 5 / ΄
7 ἐχειν 7, τοῦτ᾽ αὖ ποίᾳ προσθήσομεν ἐπιστήμῃ ;
NE. 2Q. Τῇ τῆς πειστικῆς ἀρχούσῃ καὶ λεκτικῆς.
SE. Εἴη δὲ ἂν οὐκ ἄλλη τις, ὡς οἶμαι, πλὴν ἡ
lal cal /
5 τοῦ πολιτικοῦ δύναμις.
NE. 2Q. Καλλιστ᾽ εἴρηκας.
-
la \ \
EE. Kai τοῦτο μὲν ἔοικε ταχὺ κεχωρίσθαι πολι-
΄σ Ἂς ε , ad “5 37) « cal
τικῆς TO ῥητορικὸν, ὡς ἕτερον εἶδος OV, ὑπηρετοῦν
μὴν ταύτῃ.
1 ΝΣ. 2. Nai.
HE. Ti δὲ περὶ τῆς τοιᾶσδ᾽ αὖ δυνάμεως διανο-
/,
NTEOV 5
NE. 3Q. Ποίας:
a € «ε , - x
SE. Τῆς ὡς πολεμητέον ἑκάστοις οἷς av προ-
7 lal 5) OAS δ, 3 yay
τ ελώμεθα πολεμεῖν, ELITE αὐτὴν ατέεχνον εἰτε EVTEXVOV
ἐροῦμεν ;:
NE. ΣΩ. Καὶ πῶς ἂν ἄτεχνον διανοηθεῖμεν, ἣν γε
ἡ στρατηγικὴ καὶ πᾶσα ἡ πολεμικὴ πρᾶξις πράττει ;
EE. Τὴν δ᾽ εἴτε πολεμητέον εἴτε διὰ φιλίας
5 7 “ / ΄
“οἀπαλλακτέον οἵαν TE καὶ ἐπιστήμονα διαβουλεύ-
I. ἢ καὶ τὸ παράπαν Τἔχειν}]
Schleiermacher conjectured ἐᾷν
(cf. Soph. 242 a: τὸ παράπαν ἐα-
réov. And ἐᾷν may perhaps have
been mistaken for a contraction
of ἔχειν) ; Stallbaum ἀπέχειν = to
refrain— supposing ἀπ to be
absorbed in παράπαν. (ἀπέχειν
sc. τοῦ πράττειν.) Herm. conj.
ἡσυχίαν ἔχειν. Badh. λέγειν,
with a view to λεκτικῆς infra.
But λεκτικῆς is only an ex-
pansion of πειστικῆς. The
conjecture of Hermann is the
best.
9. μὴν] μὴν is thus used in
qualifying an assertion supr.
263 €: ἀγελαίων μὴν ζῴων. So
μέντοι in Rep. 1, 334 b: ἐπ᾽
ὠφελείᾳ μέντοι τῶν φίλων k.T.A.
14. ὡς] How, in what way.
15. εἴτε] Interrogative, de-
pending on διανοητέον.
17. ἥν ye] “ Why it is the
function on which generalship
and all warlike action is em-
ployed.” Cf. Protag. 322 b:
πολιτικὴν----ἣς μέρος πολεμική.
1g. Τὴν δ᾽ εἴτε π.] Bodl. τὴν
δὲ π. with ATI.
20. οἵαν τε καὶ ἐπιστήμονα]
Able through knowledge.”
305.
b
MOAITIKO®.
,
TQAUTY) 5
11
« « 7 Ἃ ‘ > ἃ
204. σασθαι, ταύτης ἑτέραν ὑπολάβωμεν ἢ τὴν αὐτὴν
NE. SQ. Τοῖς πρόσθεν ἀναγκαῖον ἑπομένοισιν
eR 4
ετεραν.
EE Ov A yy / > \ > /
=H. Οὐκοῦν apyovoay ταύτης αὐτὴν ἀποφανού-
μεθα, εἴπερ τοῖς ἔμπροσθέν ye ὑποληψόμεθα ὁμοίως ;
NE. ΣΩ. Φημί.
3 \ , a
BE. Ti’ οὖν ποτὲ καὶ ἐπιχειρήσομεν οὕτω δεινῆς
καὶ μεγάλης τέχνης ξυμπάσης τῆς πολεμικῆς δε-
7 > , / \ \ A 53
σπότιν ἀποφαίνεσθαι πλὴν γε δὴ τὴν ὄντως οὖσαν
βασιλικήν :
NE. ΣΏΩ. Οὐδεμίαν ἀλλην.
ΞΕ. Οὐκ ἄρα πολιτικήν γε θήσομεν, ὑπηρετικὴν
53 Χ a ~ 3 /
οὖσαν, THY τῶν στρατηγῶν ἐπιστημην.
NE. ΣΩ. Οὐκ εἰκός.
SE. Ἴθι δή, καὶ τὴν τῶν δικαστῶν τῶν ὀρθῶς
δικαζόντων θεασώμεθα δύναμιν.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
cy 53 / An
HE. “Ap οὖν ἐπὶ πλέον τι δύναται τοῦ περὶ τὰ
8. οὕτω----πολεμικῆς) ‘ What
science shall we go about to
make supreme over the whole
of strategy, a power so for-
midable and so mighty ?”
το. THY ὄντως οὖσαν βασιλικήν]
So the argument is strength-
ened by an appeal to language
in Soph. 221 ¢: ἢ παντάπασιν
ὡς ἀληθῶς σοφιστήν. Supr. 260
Ο: δεσπόζοντά γε.
13. ὑπηρετικὴν οὖσαν] Viz.
Subservient to the end of po-
litics. So ὑπηρέτιν ἐκείνης infr. Ο.
Cf. supr. 260.
τό. Ἴθι----καὶ] Cf. supr. 267 a:
φέρε----καὶ συνείρωμεν.
10. "Ap οὖν---διαιρεῖν ;| “ Can
the judicial art do anything
more than, on questions of
contract, to determine what is
legally just and unjust by re-
ference to those fixed laws
which she receives from the
lawgiving king ; while she
brings to the performance of
this office her own peculiar
virtue, that of being incapable
of yielding to bribes or intimi-
dation or the appeal to pity,
or to any other feeling, whe-
ther of enmity or favor, so as
to be willing to determine
suits between parties other-
wise than as the lawgiver has
appointed 2”
* 72
σι
The gene-
ral, then, is
a servant,
and not a
governor.
Let us now
examine
the judicial
faculty.
What can
this do be-
yond the
impartial
and incor-
ruptible
administra-
tion of ex-
isting laws?
This power,
then, is
only the
guardian,
and not the
directress,
of the laws.
The science
of govern- 15
ment must
be different
from all of
these. Her
business is
not imme-
diate ac-
tion, but
the guid-
ance of
action
through
her discern-
ment of
172
, ΄ ote , a , A ᾿
ξυμβοόλαια, πανθ᾽ ὁπόσα κεῖται νομιμὰ πάρα νομο- Ῥ. 861"
ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
, a i ~
θέτου βασιλέως παραλαβοῦσα, κρίνειν εἰς ἐκεῖνα
A , 7 7 5 Ν +
σκοποῦσα Ta TE δίκαια ταχθέντα εἶναι καὶ ἀδικα,
Ν σὲ "507 > ‘ / lal ‘7? e ,
THY auTNnS ἰδίαν ἀρετὴν παρεχομενὴ TOV μηθ ὑπὸ
δτινων δώρων μήθ᾽ ὑπὸ φόβων μήτε οἴκτων μήθ᾽
ὑπό τινος ἄλλης ἔχθρας μηδὲ φιλίας ἡττηθεῖσα παρὰ
\ ΄ ᾽ a ἈΝ > /
τὴν τοῦ νομοθέτου τάξιν ἐθέλειν ἂν τὰ ἀλλήλων
ἐγκλήματα διαιρεῖν ;
NE. 2Q. Οὔκ, ἀλλὰ σχεδὸν ὅσον εἴρηκας, ταύτης
> a ΄ y
10 €OTL τῆς δυνάμεως ἔργον.
"ΠῚ Κ Ν \ a ὃ a + ey en am ,
μι τ. αι Τὴν τῶν οιἰκαστῶν Apa ρωμῆν AVEUPL-
᾽ \ 5 \ / , Ν
σκομεν οὐ βασιλικὴν οὖσαν ἀλλὰ νόμων φύλακα καὶ
e 7 /
ὑπηρέτιν ἐκείνης.
NE. 2Q. "Eouké γε.
, a
HE. Tode δὴ κατανοητέον ἰδόντι συναπάσας Tas
3 ῇ Δ 9) “ ΄ ea » /
ἐπιστήμας αἱ εἴρηνται, OTL πολιτικὴ γε αὐτῶν οὐδεμία
3 ΄ \ N yy 5 \ 3 SS
ἀνεφάνη. τὴν yap ὄντως οὖσαν βασιλικὴν οὐκ αὐτὴν
rn a / /
δεῖ πράττειν, ἀλλ᾽ ἄρχειν τῶν δυναμένων πράττειν,
ων ἊΝ 7 SY ‘\ a 7
γιγνωσκουσαᾶν τὴν ἀρχὴν TE καὶ ορμὴν τῶν μεγιστῶν
as / / ᾽ / \
2οἐν Tals πόλεσιν ἐγκαιρίας TE πέρι καὶ ἀκαιρίας, τὰς
δ᾽ ἄλλας τὰ προσταχθέντα δρᾷν.
ΝΕ. 3Q. Ὀρθῶς.
5. μήθ᾽ ὑπό τινος ἄλλης €xOp.]
“ No, nor yet hatred ;” accord-
ing to the well-known Platonic
idiom. Cf. supr. 298 d: εἴτε
τινῶν ἰατρῶν καὶ κυβερνητῶν εἴτ᾽
ἄλλων ἰδιωτῶν.
9. σχεδὸν ---- ἔργον] “ You
have fairly expressed the limits
within which this power is ex-
ercised.”
17. οὐκ αὐτὴν δεῖ πράττειν, ἀλλ᾽
ἄρχει] Cf. supr. 259 6.
19. γιγνώσκουσαν ---- πολέσιν]
“ Understanding, as regards
fitness and unfitness of times,
the beginning and first im-
pulse of what is most im-
portant in states.” Cf Rep.
4,424 a: πολιτεία ἐὰν ἅπαξ
ὁρμήσῃ εὖ. ΐ
20. τὰς δ᾽ ἄλλας] Supr.
27 ἃ: τοῖς δ᾽ ἄλλοις διὰ χειρ-
ουργιῶν. So, very frequently,
the obverse of a proposition
is stated at the close of a
sentence.
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
— \ a , A \ / ,
SE. Διὰ ταῦτα apa, as μὲν ἄρτι διεληλύθαμεν,
» 3 7 3, “
οὔτε ἀλλήλων οὔὐὔθ᾽ αὑτῶν ἄρχουσαι, περὶ δέ τινα
, eon 5 , "2, \ \ 9 ͵
ἰδίαν αὑτῆς οὖσα ἑκάστη πρᾶξιν, κατὰ τὴν ἰδιότητα
fal 4 3, 3 3
τῶν πράζεων τοὔνομα δικαίως εἴληφεν ἴδιον.
NE. 2Q. Εἴξασι γοῦν.
»-- Χ \ lad / 57 A a
SH. Τὴν de πασῶν τε τούτων ἄρχουσαν καὶ TOY
[2 7 ἴω \\ / /
νόμων καὶ ξυμπάντων τῶν κατὰ πόλιν ἐπιμελουμένην
,΄ , ͵ A a an
καὶ πᾶντα ξυνυφαίνουσαν ὀρθότατα, τοῦ κοινοῦ TH
Τὰ ΄ \ 7 la)
κλήσει περιλαβόντες τὴν δύναμιν αὐτῆς, προσαγο-
7 / > 7 VA 7,
ρεύοιμεν δικαιότατ᾽ ἀν, ὡς ἔοικε, πολιτικὴν. 10
΄ \ 5
NE. 2Q. Τ]αντάπασι μεν οὖν.
a \ ὯΝ Ν an ΄- 4
HE. Οὐκοῦν δὴ καὶ κατὰ τὸ τῆς ὑφαντικῆς παρά-
i? > a δὰ an σ“ ἈΝ
δειγμα βουλοίμεθ᾽ ἂν ἐπεζελθεῖν αὐτὴν νῦν, ὅτε καὶ
7 δὴ / \ \ ΄ lal Cas /
TAVTA τὰ γένη τὰ κατὰ πόλιν δῆλα ἡμῖν γέγονεν ;
ἤ
NE. 2Q. Καὶ σφόδρα γε. 15
μοὶ \ \ \ / y
SE. Τὴν δὴ βασιλικὴν συμπλοκὴν, ὡς ἔοικε,
/ / /
λεκτέον ποία τ᾽ ἐστὶ καὶ ποίῳ τρόπῳ συμπλέκουσα
ἴων e a “ > ἢ
ποῖον ἡμῖν ὕφασμα ἀποδίδωσιν.
INE SO, Δῆλον.
173
occasions,
and of the
first begin-
nings of
great
issues.
The rest
have each
5 a particular
function
and name:
the work-
ing of
statesman-
ship is uni-
versal: and
hence this
science
bears the
general
name of
govern-
ment,
Having
now distin-
guished it
from other
forms of
civic life,
let us view
it in itself
by the
light of our
example.
What is
the nature
of the web
EE. °H χαλεπὸν ἐνδείξασθαι πρᾶγμα ἀναγκαῖον 20 in which
5 , e ,
apa γέγονεν, ὡς φαίνεται.
NE. 2Q. Πάντως γε μὴν ῥητέον.
ΞΕ. To γὰρ ἀρετῆς μέρος ἀρετῆς εἴδει διάφορον
8. ξυνυφαίνουσαν] This word
prepares the way for the return
to the example of weaving in
what follows.
TOU κοινοῦ TH κλήσει περι-
λαβόντες τὴν δύναμιν αὐτῆς |
“ Characterizing the function
of this art by the name of that
which it shares with the rest,”
viz. that they are for the good
of the state. Se. πολιτικὴν, ἅτε
this sove-
reign art
inweaves
all other
arts ἢ
ἐπιμελουμένην ἁπάντων τῶν κατὰ
πόλιν. For περιλαβ. οἵ. Theet.
148 d: ταύτας πολλὰς οὔσας ἕνι
εἴδει περιέλαβες.
13. αὐτὴν] αὐτῇ Bodl. ATL:
cett. αὐτήν. Cf. Lege. 6, 778 6,
Phileb. 66 d.
dre — γέγονε] Pp. 287-290,
303-305.
23. Τὸ γὰρ --- δόξας] “ That
one part of yirtue is in some
The an-
awer to this
involves a
difficult
question.
The parts
of virtue
are gene-
rally sup-
posed to be
in unison.
We must
now ex-
amine whe-
ther cou-
rage and
temper-
ance are
not rather
opposed,
Io
15
174
MAATQNOS
3 / , “ Ν / ᾽ ΄-
εἰναὶ τινα τρόπον τοῖς περὶ λόγους ἀμφισβητητικοῖς Pp. 30}
‘ 4y? > Ν Ἁ lal ΄σ
καὶ war εὐεπίθετον πρὸς Tas τῶν πολλῶν δόξας.
NE. ΣΩ. Οὐκ ἔμαθον.
EE. ᾿Αλλ’ ὧδε πάλιν. ἀνδρείαν γὰρ οἶμαί σε
NE. ΣΏ. Πάνυ γε.
« cal / A > “ δι 9S
5 ἡγεῖσθαι μέρος Ev ἀρετῆς ἡμῖν εἶναι.
HE. Καὶ μὴν σωφροσύνην γε ἀνδρείας μὲν ἕτερον,
A > 53 \ A / - A
ἐν δ᾽ οὖν καὶ τοῦτο μόριον ἧς κἀκεῖνο.
NE. ΣΩ. Ναί
EE. Τούτων δὴ πέρι θαυμαστόν τινα λόγον ἀπο-
φαίνεσθαι τολμητέον.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Ποῖον :
"-- ε 3 \ \ ΄ , 5
EE. Os ἐστὸν κατὰ δὴ τινα τρόπον εὖ μάλα
Ν > / Ν ’ x
πρὸς ἀλλήλας * ἐχθρὰ ἢ καὶ στάσιν ἐναντίαν ἔχοντε
» a a“ 3)
ἐν πολλοῖς τῶν OVTOV.
NE. ΣΏ. Ios λέγεις ;
/ lal
HE. Οὐκ εἰωθότα λόγον οὐδαμῶς" πάντα yap
way different from another
kind of virtue is a position
easily assailable by contentious
disputants who appeal to com-
mon opinion.”
(23.) ἀρετῆς μέρος ἀρετῆς εἴδει]
The expression is purposely
varied, perhaps with the inten-
tion of recalling the still un-
settled question of the distinc-
tion between εἶδος and μέρος,
supr. 263 a. Cf. Lege. 7,791
6, where ἀνδρεία is called ψυχῆς
μόριον ἀρετῆς. Ib. 3, 689 d:
Charm.160 a. The words from
ἢ χαλεπὸν to δόξας are given to
the same speaker in the Bod.
MS.
4. ᾿Αλλ᾽ ὧδε πάλιν] Cf. Theeet.
191 b: ἀλλ᾽ ὧδε. Rep. 1. 352 6.
Soph. 262 e: ἔτι δὴ σμικρὸν τόδε.
8. ἧς κἀκεῖνο]! Se. ἀρετῆς.
14. στάσιν ἐναντίαν] “ An op-
posed attitude :” or perhaps,
στάσιν ἐναντίαν ἔχοντε, “ holding
opposite sides.” For ἐχθρὰ the
MSS. and Edd. have ἔχθραν :
ἔχοντε C.H.: cett. ἔχετον. CF.
Pheedr. 238 a: δύο τινέ ἔστον
ἰδέα ἄρχοντε καὶ ἄγοντε.
15. ἐν πολλοῖς τῶν ὄντων] ΟἿ.
infr. ¢: εἴτε κατὰ σώματα εἴτε ἐν
ψυχαῖς εἴτε κατὰ φωνῆς φορὰν,
εἴτ᾽ αὐτῶν τούτων εἴτ᾽ ἐν εἰδώλοις
ὄντων.
17. πάντα γὰρ οὖν----φίλια] The
present is certainly a modifi-
cation of the view taken by
Socrates in the Protagoras,
where he upholds the simple
unity of virtue.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
/
© σοὺ φίλια.
NE. 2Q. Nai.
175
an \ a 5 /
KE. Σκοπῶμεν δὴ προσχόντες Tov νοῦν εὖ μάλα,
/ “ «ες ω » A lal * Ν lal
πότερον οὕτως ἁπλοῦν εστὶ τοῦτο, ἢ παντὸς μᾶλλον 5
> a yy \ la / y
αὐτῶν EXEL διαφορὰν Τοις ξυγγενέσιν ες TL;
NE, 2Q. Ναί, λέγοις ἂν πῇ σκεπτέον.
ΞΕ. Ἔν τοῖς ξύμπασι χρὴ ζητεῖν ὅσα καλὰ μὲν
7 / > 3 \ / / » /
λέγομεν, εἰς δύο δ᾽ αὐτὰ τίθεμεν ἐναντία ἀλλήλων
εἴδη.
NE. ΣΏ. Λέγ᾽ ἔτι σαφέστερον.
/ / 7 ἊΝ / 5}
HB. Οξύτητα καὶ τάχος, εἴτε κατὰ σώματα εἴτε
» an 7 A al t) 537 5 an /
ἐν ψυχαῖς εἴτε κατὰ φωνῆς φοραν, εἰτε αὐτῶν τούτων
SY ΔΕ ΥΟ ΤᾺΣ ’ 7 + ε , δ , X
εἰτ ἐν εἰδώλοις ὄντων, ὅποσα μουσικὴ μιμουμένη καὶ
»y \ / , ’ Χ »
ETL γραφικὴ μιμήματα παρέχεται, τούτων τινὸς ἐπαι-
5. οὕτως ἁπλοῦν] Cf. Symp.
183 d: οὐχ ἁπλοῦν ἐστιν,----οὔτε
καλὸν εἶναι αὐτὸ---οὔτε αἰσχρὸν,
ἀλλὰ καλῶς μὲν πραττόμενον καλὸν,
αἰσχρῶς δὲ αἰσχρόν.
#—7] “Or whether there
be of them which differ in some
respect from theix congeners.”
The old editions had ἔχον----ἐστὶ,
which however is only found
in the margin of Ven. =, and
is probably due to ἐστὶν having
been read for ἐς ri. Heindorf
conj. ἔχον ἐστί τι. But for αὐ-
τῶν without τι, cf. supr. 285 6,
and twa or drra is required
rather than τι.
8. ὅσα --- αὐτά] Cf. Soph.
225 b: ὅσον---ἀμφισβητεῖται μέν,
εἰκῇ δὲ---περὶ αὐτὸ πράττεται.
12. ᾿Οξύτητα---ἤσθησαι: “I
mean to ask, have you ever
praised or heard others praise
any such thing as quickness and
speed, etc. ?” The construction
is changed as the sentence pro-
ceeds, the accusative in ὀξ.
καὶ tax. being partly due to
λέγε, and τινὸς to the previous
genitives.
etre — Πσθησαι] The first
two pairs of ecires are hy-
pothetical, and the third is
interrogative. “ Whether you
have either yourself spoken
or heard others speak in com-
mendation of any of these
things—quickness and speed,
whether in body, or mind, or
movement of sound, whether
real, or in such shadowy forms
as music, and even painting,
afford by imitation.”
εἴτε ἐν ψυχαῖς] Cf. Legg.
3, 689 d: πάντα τὰ κυμψὰ καὶ
πρὸς τάχος τῆς ψυχῆς πεφυκότα,
10
106. οὖν δὴ ἀλλήλοις τά γε τῆς ἀρετῆς μόρια λέγεταί We must
look for this
amongst
actions
which we
adimire,and
at the same
time con-
trast with
each other,
We praise
quickness
and bold-
ness on
many ocea-
sions, and
always by
applying
the same
epithet of
‘ brave.’
170 ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
/ 3 9.τΝ ,ὔ / » y Ν 4
νέτης ELTE AUTOS πώποτε γέγονας εἴτε ἄλλου παρὼν p. 3 hf
» cal 5}
ἐπαινοῦντος ἡσθησαι ;
NE. 2Q. Ti μήν:
τ ἢ =) Ν “ yA “ / > N
SE. Ἢ καὶ μνήμην ἔχεις ὅντινα τρόπον αὑτὸ
“ > e 7 /
5 δρῶσιν εν EKAOTOLS TOUTWY 5
NE. ΣΏ. Ovdapes.
— 53 > 3 \ 328 x , [2
=E. *Ap οὖν δυνατὸς αὐτὸ ἂν γενοίμην, ὥσπερ
καὶ διανοοῦμαι, διὰ λόγων ἐνδείξασθαί σοι:
NE. 2Q. Tid ov;
Io
cn ε ’ "7 c a \ an i ,
HE. Padsov ἐοικας ἡγεῖσθαι τὸ τοιοῦτον᾽ σκοπῶ-
» 5 3. ΙΝ 5 “ ς 7, 7 a \
μεθα δ᾽ οὖν αὐτὸ ἐν τοῖς ὑπεναντίοις γένεσι. τῶν Yap
ἊΝ ’ ΄ 7 7
δὴ πράξεων ἐν πολλαῖς Kal πολλάκις ἑκάστοτε τάχος
\ 4 Ae, 7 if VA Ν /
καὶ σφοδρότητα καὶ ὀξύτητα διανοήσεώς TE καὶ σώμα-
ay \ Ν “ “ ᾽ lad iy Ae SS
TOS, ETL δὲ καὶ φωνῆς, ὁταν ἀγασθώμεν, λέγομεν αὐτὸ
15 ἐπαινοῦντες μιᾷ χρώμενοι προσρήσει τῇ τῆς ἀνδρείας.
NE. 2Q. Πώς;
EE. Ὁ ξὺ καὶ ἀνδρεῖόν πού φαμεν, καὶ ταχὺ καὶ
> / Ν Ν ec 4 Ν 7 5 /
ἀνδρικὸν, καὶ σφοδρὸν ὡσαύτως" καὶ πάντως ἐπιφέ-
ay ἃ Zz Χ 4 la /
ροντες τούνομα Ὁ λέγω κοινὸν πάσαις ταῖς φύσεσι
/ » la > ,
20 TQAUTQALS ETTALYOUMEVY GUTGS.
4. αὐτὸ δρῶσι) Cf. Soph.
233 ¢: Δρῶσι δέ ye τοῦτο πρὸς
ἅπαντά, φαμεν.
5. ἐν ἑκάστοις τούτων] “ In
the case of body, mind, voice,
or imitative art.”
4. ὥσπερ ---- διανοοῦμαι] Cf.
Crat. 435 Ὁ.
LI. ἐν τοῖς ὑπεναντίοις γένεσι]
“Tn the kinds where the oppo-
sition appears.” Supr. ¢: ἐναντία
—eidn. Qy. ταῖς ὑπεναντίαις
γενέσεσι 1 Cf. infr.: ἠρεμαίας ad
γενέσεως. 310 Cd: πολλαῖς yeve-
σεσιν, where some MSS. have
πολλοῖς γένεσιν.
τῶν γὰρ δὴ --- ἀνδρείας] “ For
there are many actions in which,
and that repeatedly, we praise
speed and vehemence and quick-
ness, mental and bodily; and
on each occasion” (ἑκάστοτε)
“express our praise of the qua-
lity which we admire by the
one appellation of ‘ bravery.’ ”
12. ἐν πολλαῖς καὶ πολλάκις |
Cf. Soph. 264 Ὁ: ἔνια καὶ ἐνίοτε----
with which should have been
compared Phileb. 32 d:
ἊΣ Ε 4
Kal €VLa—EOTLY OTE —.
14. αὐτὸ] Se. τάχος καὶ σῴφο-
δρότητα καὶ ὀξύτητα κιτ.λ.
ay,
€VLOTE
οὔ.
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
NE. ΣΏ. Ναί.
177
= 4 amen 3 5 aps
BE. Ti δέ; τὸ τῆς ἠρεμαίας αὖ γενέσεως εἶδος ap
> 7 a an ᾽ὔ
07. ov πολλακις ἐπηνέκαμεν ἐν πολλαῖς τῶν πράξεων :
NE. 2Q. Καὶ σφόδρα γε.
αὶ a 3 ᾽ , / * a /
BE. Μῶν οὖν ov τἀναντία λέγοντες ἢ περὶ EKEL- 5
νων τοῦτο φθεγγόμεθα ;
NE. 2Q. [las ;
bm e ¢ a? , Gh #2 ἈΝ
BE. Os ἡσυχαῖα πού φαμεν ἑκάστοτε καὶ σω-
, ͵ ΄ 7 ’ ,
φρονικα, περί τε διάνοιαν πραττόμενα ἀγασθέντες
Ν \ \ / 3 7 Ν ΄ eats
καὶ κατὰ τὰς πράξεις av βραδέα καὶ μαλακα, καὶ ετιῖο
N \ / a Ν / \ a
περὶ φωνὰς γιγνόμενα λεῖα καὶ βαρεα, Kal πᾶσαν
© \ / Ἀνὰ ΤΟΝ a » >
ῥυθμικὴν κίνησιν καὶ ὅλην μοῦσαν ἐν καιρῷ Bpadv-
τῆτι προσχρωμένην, οὐ τὸ τῆς ἀνδρείας ἀλλὰ τὸ τῆς
/ Yj , > a ,
κοσμιότητος ὄνομα ἐπιφέρομεν αὐτοῖς ξύμπασιν.
NE. ΣΏΩ. ᾿Αληθέστατα.
— Ν ἊΝ ε / 3 5 , ,
SE. Καὶ μὴν ὁπόταν αὖ ye ἀμφότερα γίγνηται
- CR 2ὔ 7 ¢ 4 5 a Zz
ταῦτα ἡμῖν ἄκαιρα, μεταβάλλοντες EKATEpA αὐτῶν Ψε-
5 3 [2 , » ? > > /
γομεν ἐπὶ τἀναντία παλιν ἀπονέμοντες τοῖς ὀνόμασιν.
2. γενέσεως] The word is
used in the same sense as supr.
283 d, 287 6, to express the
operation of any art, or, more
generally, the act of doing any-
thing.
8. Ὡς ἡσυχαῖα --- - ξύμπασιν]
“In saying ‘quiet and mode-
rate’ on each occasion, as you
know we do (που), when we
admire what is done slowly
and softly either in thought
or action, or, again, what is
sounded smoothly and gravely,
and all rhythmical movement,
and every liberal exercise
which apples slowness at the
proper time. To all these we
attribute not bravery but so-
briety, as a fitting epithet.” For
*
-K.T.A.
mos; answered by as, ef. Rep.
6, 510 "Ὁ: πῇ ;--ἣἧ τὸ μὲν αὐτοῦ
Theet. 172 ἃ. For the
asyndeton, cf. supr. 293 b,
where νενομίκαμεν is resumed
in dapev, as φαμεν in emupe-
popev here.
12. μοῦσαν]
722 d.
ἐν καιρῷᾷ, Cf. infr. 6, ἀκαι-
ρότερον ὄντα ἢ χρή, and Arist.
Eth. Nic. II. 2, δεῖ δ᾽ αὐτοὺς
del τοὺς πράττοντας τὰ πρὸς τὸν
Cf. Lege. 4,
καιρὸν σκοπεῖν.
17. ἄκαιρα! This reading is
found as a correction in E,
otherwise the MSS. unite in
giving ἀκέραια.
18. ἐπὶ τἀναντία πάλιν ἀπονέ-
μοντες τοῖς ὀνόμασιν] “ Assigning
Aa
I
Again,
we often
praise gen-
tleness and
qiuetness
of demean-
our and
movement,
and here
we use the
very dif-
ferent epi-
thet of
‘modest.’
On the
other hand,
both bold-
ness and
gentleness
are often
blamed, as
rash and
cowardly.
But rash-
ness and
cowardice
are not
found toge-
ther, and
bravery
and mo-
desty have
not a natu-
ral affinity
for each
other.
Both these
diverse na-
tures and
the indivi-
duals in
whom they
are found,
most often
stand op-
posed and
are divided
by mutual
antipathy.
This play
ot antipa-
thies is,
however,
a trifle in
comparison
of the mo-
mentous
issues to
178
NE. 0. Πῶς:
MAATQNOZ
> \ / ΄“ “ Ν
EE. ᾿Οὗύτερα μὲν αὐτὰ γιγνόμενα τοῦ καιροῦ καὶ
, Ν « Ν Ν
θάττω καὶ σκληρότερα φαινόμενα [καὶ] ὑβριστικὰ καὶ
/
tavika λέγοντες. Ta δὲ βραδύτερα καὶ μαλακώτερα
! oY ’ P
\ Ν « Ν Ν tg
5 δειλὰ καὶ βλακικά. καὶ σχεδὸν ὡς TO πολὺ ταῦτά
Ν \ / 7 \ Ν > 7 Ν val
TE καὶ τὴν σώφρονα φύσιν καὶ THY ἀνδρείαν τὴν τῶν
7 - / if » 4
ἐναντίων, οἷον Ἱπολεμίας { διαλαχούσας στάσιν ἰδέας,
» 3.» ῇ ΄ 3 , > “-“ Ν
ovr ἀλληλαις μιγνυμένας ἐφευρίσκομεν εν ταῖς περὶ
‘ a / y Ν 5 lal “
Τὰ Τοίιαυτα πράξεσιν, ETL ΤῈ TOUS) (CV ATGS ψυχαῖς
aN /
ἐὰν μεταδιώκωμεν.
τοαὐτὰς ἴσχοντας διαφερομένους ἀλλήλοις ὀψόμεθα,
NE. 3Q. Ποῦ δὴ λέγεις ;
lal \ / - lal 3) «
EE. Ἔν πᾶσί τε δὴ τούτοις οἷς νῦν εἴπομεν, ὡς
them to the opposite quarters
again in our nomenclature.”
3. [καὶ] ὑβριστικὰ] So all the
MSS. except Ven. =. καὶ op.
καὶ pav. =“ Not only violent,
but mad.”
ὑβριστικὰ] Cf. Pheedr.252 Ὁ:
ὑβριστικὸν πάνυ Kat ov σφόδρα
τι ἔμμετρον. Cratyl. 426 Ὁ.
4. μανικὰ Cf. Soph. 242 a:
μή ποτέ σοι μανικὸς εἶναι δόξω
παρὰ πόδα μεταβαλὼν ἐμαυτὸν ἄνω
καὶ κάτω.
5. βλακικα] Cf. Rep. 4,432 d:
βλακικόν γε ἡμῶν τὸ πάθος. Gore.
488 a: πάνυ με ἡγοῦ βλᾶκα εἶναι.
Euthyd. 287 e: ἐξήμαρτον διὰ
τὴν βλακείαν.
καὶ σχεδὸν ---- μεταδιώκωμεν |
“ And so it is for the most part
that we find these (the harsh
and effeminate), and also the
temperance and manliness of
the characters opposed to them,
as ideas diametrically antago-
nistic, not mingling with each
other in the actions concerned
with such things ; and, more-
over, we find, if we follow up
the quest so far, that the men
also of whose minds they are
attributes are at variance with
each other.” ἀνδρείαν is pro-
bably a substantive.
7. οἷον----ἰδέας] The words as
they stand must be construed
“ As hostile forms having taken
different sides in a quarrel.”
(Sad. στ.) But I would venture
to read πολεμίαν, and translate
“ Forms which as it were have
severally been put in a hostile
attitude.” Compare στάσιν
ἐναντίαν exovre supr. 306 b.
Alberti’s interpretation, who
would join τὴν τῶν ἐναντίων
διαλαχούσας στάσιν, οἷον πολε-
μίας ἰδέας, = “ participating, as
hostile forms, in the war of
opposites,” will hardly com-
mend itself to scholars. He
is right, however, in adducing
Legg. 8, 836 d: τὸ τῆς σώφρο-
> , /
vos ἰδέας γένος.
Pat
c
—————— σ“.-.-Ὁ
—————s
HIOAITIKO®X.
/ > cd a
'}07. εἰκὸς Te, ev ἑτέροις πολλοῖς.
179
\ \ 53 \
κατὰ yap οἰμαι τὴν
lal / / \ \ > a €
ἃ αὑτῶν ἑκατέροις ξυγγένειαν τὰ μὲν ἐπαινοῦντες ὡς
οἰκεῖα σφέτερα, τὰ δὲ τῶν διαφόρων ψέγοντες ὡς
ἀλλότρια, πολλὴν εἰς ἔχθραν ἀλλήλοις καὶ πολλῶν
/ /
πέρι καθίστανται.
NE. ΣΩ. Κινδυνεύουσιν.
EE. Παιδιὰ τοίνυν αὕτη γέ τις ἡ διαφορὰ τούτων
> Ν a PN a) Ν \ \ / , ,
ἐστὶ τῶν εἰδῶν" περὶ δὲ τὰ μέγιστα νόσος ξυμβαίνει
πασῶν ἐχθίστη γίγνεσθαι ταῖς πόλεσιν.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Περὶ δὴ ποῖα φῇς ;
a > \ aA ~
HE. Περὶ ὅλην, ὡς ye εἰκός, τὴν τοῦ ζῆν παρα-
/ « \ A Χ / 5, / Ν
σκευὴν. οἱ μὲν γὰρ δὴ διαφερόντως OVTES κοσμιοι TOV
“ IN , oS ™~ > Ν ᾽ ες Ν /
ἥσυχον ἀεὶ βίον ἐτοιμοι ᾧν, αὐτοὶ καθ᾽ αὑτοὺς μόνοι
\ , 3. να , 7 SG
Ta σφέτερ᾽ αὐτῶν πράττοντες, OLKOL TE προς ATAVTAS
“ « a QA Ν A ᾿, / e /
οὕτως ομιλοῦντες, καὶ πρὸς TAS ἔζωθεν πολεις ὡσαυ-
2. ὡς οἰκεῖα σφέτερα] “As
their own kith and kin.” Stall-
baum quotes Demosth. Orat. ec.
Callic. pp: 1274. 5, 1275. 7:
ἡμέτερον ἴδιον. Lucian. T. ITI.
p- 226 e, ed. Bipont.: τοὐμὸν
ἴδιον. The Bodleian has ἐφέτερα
(sic).
4. πολλὴν----καὶ πολλῶν πέρι]
Cf. ἐν πολλοῖς καὶ πολλάκις 51}.
206 6.
7. Wada] Τ. 6. a trifling
matter. Cf. Alsch. Prom. 314.
γέ tis] Qy. γ᾽ ere?
8. EvpBaiver] Se. ἡ διαφορὰ
αὕτη. Cf. Soph. 228 a.
11. Περὶ ὅλην --- δοῦλοι] ‘* Em-
bracing, as might be antici-
pated, the whole arrangement
of life. For we know that
those who excel in modesty
are always ready to lead a
quiet life, dog their own
business by themselves alone,
and while they live peaceably
with all at home, they are
likewise ready at all points to
be in a manner at peace with
foreign cities. And from being
thus in love with quietness, a
love not suited to their occa-
sions, they unconsciously be-
come unfit for war, and create
the same defect in their young
men, and are in the power of
the first aggressor, whence
ere many years have passed,
themselves, their children and
their whole community have
often, ere they were aware,
been reduced from freedom to
slavery.”
12. ὄντες ----ἐπιτιθεμένων] CF.
Soph. Cid. Rex. 917: ἀλλ᾽ ἔστι
τοῦ λέγοντος. Ib. Cid. Col.
“6 5 > c= c ΄
700 : τοὐπιόντος ἁρπάσαι,
τ
Aa Ζ
which this
contraricty
leads.
For the
lovers of a
quiet life,
if they have
their way,
by enerva-
ting them-
selves and
the youth,
will often
bring their
country
into sla-
very.
180 ΠΛΑΤΩΝΟΣ
"ἢ , ” / \ »” SRE }
τως ETOLPLOL TAVTA OVTES τρόπον TVA ἀγειν εἰρηνὴν. γ. 30})”
Ν \ Ν v \ a > / JA δ 4
καὶ διὰ τὸν ἔρωτα δὴ τοῦτον, ἀκαιρότερον ὄντα ἢ Χχρῆ»
“ aA / ’ yA > / >
ὅταν ἃ βούλονται πράττωσιν, ἔλαθον αὐτοὶ TE ἀπο-
7 7 ἈΝ \ , c / / ῃ
λέμως ἰσχοντες καὶ τοὺς νέους ὡσαύτως διατιθέντες '
2 IM: > a > / ’ e > > “
δόντες τε ἀεὶ τῶν ἐπιτιθεμένων, ἐξ ὧν οὐκ ἐν πολλοῖς
"7 ’ N ‘ Aa ‘ , « , > >
ἔτεσιν αὐτοὶ καὶ παῖδες Kal ξύμπασα ἡ πόλις ἀντ
> / ’ y ec \ / ~
ἐλευθέρων πολλάκις ἔλαθον αὑτοὺς γενόμενοι δοῦλοι.
Ν 53 Ν ‘ a
NE. 2Q. Χαλεπὸν εἶπες καὶ δεινὸν πάθος.
— > « Ν \ ΄σ (472
And the ΞῈ,, Τί δ᾽ οἱ πρὸς τὴν ἀνδρείαν μᾶλλον ῥέποντες ;
sort who 59 > SEN , ιν ἢ \ εἰδῶσιν ,
incline to !0@P οὐκ ἐπὶ πόλεμον ἀεί τινα τὰς αὑτῶν ξυντείνοντες
bravery, , \ \ a , , ΄, a
everstire πόλεις διὰ τὴν τοῦ τοιούτου βίου σφοδροτέραν τοῦ
ring up , > , 7 Ξ =
πῆμα δέοντος ἐπιθυμίαν, εἰς ἔχθραν πολλοῖς καὶ δυνατοῖς
provoking ΄ x ΄ δ ΄ ἊΝ ὃ , 5 .
qaaesels καταστάντες, ἢ παμπαν διώλεσαν ἢ δούλας αὖ καὶ
ith er- ε ͵ ta > 5 Ἔξω τ ἡ \ econ
ful nich. ὑποχειρίους τοῖς ἐχθροῖς ὑπέθεσαν Tas αὑτῶν πα-
Θ
bours, pro- , :
duce the 15 Τρ ἰδας 2
ol VA lal
Aare NE. 2Q. ᾿Ἔστι καὶ ταῦτα.
ΒΗ a 5 \ a , /
opposite EE. Πῶς οὖν μὴ φῶμεν ev τούτοις ἀμφότερα
cause.
a Ν 5, Χ
ταῦτα τὰ γένη πολλὴν πρὸς ἀλληλα ἀεὶ καὶ τὴν
μεγίστην ἴσχειν ἔχθραν καὶ στάσιν ;
> ἴω « » ,ὔ
2. ΝΕ. 20. Οὐδαμῶς ὡς οὐ φήσομεν.
=a Dy Οὐ a “ » a 3 3 ΄
μ᾿. UKOUV Oo7TEp EMEC KOTIOULEY KAT αρχᾶς,
2 / “ ΄ 3 a 3 Ν > /
ἀανευρηκαμεν, OTL μορια ἀρετῆς ov σμικρὰ aAAndAots
/ , \ \ \ Ἂ sy a
διαφέρεσθον φύσει Kai δὴ καὶ τοὺς ἴσχοντας δρᾶτον
SIN ΄-
τὸ αὐτὸ τοῦτο:
Adverbial.
I. πάντα]
. πολλάκις --- δοῦλοι] Note
the rhythm. The style of this
passage is closely similar to
that of the Laws.
10. guvreivovres] Cf. Rep.
9,590 Ὁ: ὅταν τὸ eovrGdes—
συντείνηται ἀναρμόστως.
13. καταστάντες] Qy. καταστή-
σαντες |
19. ἔχθραν καὶ στάσιν] Supr.
306 b. The writer seems to
pass almost unconsciously from
the one meaning of στάσις to
the other.
20. Οὐδαμῶς ws οὐ] The
adverbial form of οὐδείς ὅσ-
TLS οὐ.
23. δρᾶτον τὸ αὐτὸ τοῦτο] Se.
ποιοῦσιν διαφέρειν.
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
SO: Κινδυνεύετον.
Tode τοίνυν αὖ λάβωμεν.
ΝΕ.
=H.
NE.
mE.
ΣΏΩ. To ποῖον ;
a e a a ot yy ΩΝ > Ν ΄
πρᾶγμα οτιοῦν τῶν αὑτῆς ἐργων, κἂν εἰ TO φαυλο-5
181
γ / “- “ > a
Et tis mov τῶν συνθετικῶν ἐπιστημῶν
΄“- ΄- an a 7
τατον, ἑκοῦσα ἐκ μοχθηρῶν καὶ χρηστῶν τινῶν Evvi-
ἋΟ a » / lad \ \ \
στησιν, ἢ πᾶσα ἐπιστημὴη πανταχοῦ τὰ μεν μοχθηρὰ
9 , 9 ΄ \ Ὁ 7, \ \
εἰς δύναμιν ἀποβάλλει, Ta δ᾽ ἐπιτήδεια καὶ χρηστὰ
57 3 / Ἂ Nie / Ν > / 7
ἔλαβεν, ἐκ τούτων δὲ καὶ ὁμοίων καὶ ἀνομοίων ὀντων,
7 > A > Ν / / \ / Ν
TTQAVTQA εἰς EV αὐτὰ ξυνάγουσα, μιὰν τινὰ δυναμιν KQL10
ἰδέαν δημιουργεῖ.
NE. ΣΩ. Τί μήν ;
HE. Οὐδ᾽ ἄρα ἡ κατὰ φύσιν ἀληθῶς οὖσα ἡμῖν
XN (/ > las a >
πολιτικὴ μή ποτε EK χρηστῶν καὶ κακῶν ἀνθρώπων
ε a 5 UA / Jy > > 5)
ἑκοῦσα εἶναι συστήησηται πόλιν τινά, ἀλλ᾽ εὔδηλον 15
“ “A ” lo \ \ A 7 5
ὅτι παιδιᾷ πρῶτον βασανιεῖ, μετὰ Oe THY βάσανον αὖ
a , / Ἂς «ς lo ἈΝ A
TOLS δυναμένοις παιδεύειν καὶ UTTI)PETELY προς τοῦτ᾽
Ν fe ΄ > a
αὐτὸ παραδώσει, προστάττουσα καὶ ἐπιστατοῦσα
3 , i? e \
αὐτή, καθάπερ ὑφαντικὴ
5. κἂν ε Cf. Soph. 247 ἃ,
267 6; Phileb. 58 ὁ.
13. Οὐδ᾽ ἄρα----ἐπιστατεῖ] “ΝΟΥ
is it possible then that our
art of statesmanship, in the
true and natural sense, will
ever (if this can possibly be
avoided) form a city by the
combination of bad and good :
but she will clearly first test
her subjects by some child’s-
play, after which she will en-
trust them to those who are
able to educate youth and to be
her ministers for this end: and
over these she will maintain
authority, just as the art of
weaving continually presides
= 7, a
τοῖς τε Ealvovot καὶ τοῖς
over and directs the carders
and the rest who prepare what
is necessary for her use in the
production of her fabric.”
14. ἐκ χρηστῶν καὶ κακῶν]
Contrast Thucyd. VI. 18 : τό τε
φαῦλον καὶ τὸ μέσον καὶ TO πάνυ
ἀκριβὲς ἂν ξυγκραθὲν μάλιστ᾽ ἂν
aad
ἰσχύειν.
16. παιδιᾷ βασανιεῖ] Cf. Rep.
3, 413; Legg. 1, 648; supr.
S047 d.
17. καὶ ὑπηρετεῖν πρὸς τοῦτ᾽
αὐτὸ] Seeing that the art of
education also is ministerial to
the state. Cf. supr. 304.
19. καθάπερ ὑφαντικὴ] Supr.
p- 282.
Now let us
ask whe-
ther any
art of com-
bination
will not
first select
good ele-
ments to
be com-
bined, and
cast the bad
away. And
will not the
political
science,
then, com-
bine good
elements,
whether
like or un-
like ?
There can-
not be a
good com-
bination of
good and
bad.
And as the
weaver pre-
sides over
the prepa-
ratory pro-
cesses of
cardingand
spinning,so
this science
will deliver
those whom
she selects
to educa-
tors, over
whose work
she will
herself pre-
side. Those
incapable
of moral
training
she will
reject and
suppress.
Those of
an ignorant
and abject
nature she
will en-
slave.
The rest,
who are
capable
of being
moulded
to a noble
type and
drawn
into har-
mony, she
182
ITAATQNOS
5 76 o / 4)
τάλλα προπαρασκευάζουυσιν ὅσα πρὸς τὴν πλέξιν P- 30}
» PE - na ’
αὐτῆς, ξυμπαρακολουθοῦσα προστάττει καὶ ἐπιστα-
al 5 e / > cal \ v 5
Tél, τοιαυτὰ EKAOTOLS ἐνδεικνῦσα τὰ εργὰ ἀποτε-
lal e a ͵ e “ Ν lal eae 3
λεῖν, οἷα ἂν ἐπιτήδεια ἡγῆται πρὸς τὴν αὑτῆς εἶναι
5 ζυμπλοκήν.
NE. ΣΩ. Πανυ μὲν οὖν.
EE. αὐτὸν δή μοι τοῦθ᾽ ἡ βασιλικὴ φαίνεται
lad ΄ A [ Lal n ἣν
πᾶσι τοῖς κατὰ νόμον παιδευταῖς καὶ τροφεῦσι, τὴν
a “ SUN , a4 /
τῆς ἐπιστατικῆς αὐτὴ δύναμιν ἔχουσα, οὐκ ἐπιτρέψειν
lad a / Ἂν \ la /
το ἀσκεῖν O TL μή τις πρὸς τὴν αὑτῆς ξύγκρασιν ἀπερ-
/ 500 , » Ἂ lal n δὲ 7
γαζόμενος σος TL πρρέπον ἄποτέλει, ταῦτα OE μονὰ
, , Ν Χ Ν \
παρακελεύεσθαι παιδεύειν. Kal τοὺς μὲν μὴ δυνα-
’ὔ “ y » / Ν ΄ “
μένους κοινωνεῖν ἤθους ἀνδρείου καὶ σώφρονος ὅσα
yy / XN / ΄
τε ἄλλα ἐστὶ τείνοντα πρὸς ἀρετήν, ἀλλ᾽ εἰς ἀθεό-
NE, Ν » / CaN , ΄
I5TNTa καὶ ὕβριν καὶ ἀδικιαν ὑπὸ κακῆς Bia φύσεως
δ ἀπωθούμενους *, θανάτοις τε ἐκβάλλει καὶ φυγαῖς
ἊΝ lal / / » /
και TALS μέγισταις κολάζουσα ATLALALS.
NE. 2Q. Λέγεται γοῦν mas οὕτως.
\ 5 ,
HE. Τοὺς δ᾽ ev ἀμαθίᾳ τ᾽ αὖ καὶ ταπεινότητι
7. Ταὐτὸν δὴ τοῦθ᾽] “Precisely
in the same manner it appears
to me that the kingly art,
keeping the presidential office
in her own hands, will not
permit those who are educat-
ing and rearing the young
under the law to practise
them in aught but that which
being wrought with a view to
her process of commingling,
creates a disposition suitable
thereto, but in these things
only she exhorts them to edu-
cate the young.”
Tavtov—rodro | Cogn. ace.
in apposition with what fol-
lows. Cf Legg. 2, 660 a:
ταὐτὸν δὴ καὶ τὸν ποιητικὸν ὁ
ὀρθὸς νομοθετὴς κ.ιτ.λ.
15. ὑπὸ κακῆς βίᾳ φύσεως]
Note the inverted order.
16. * ἀπωθουμένους Ὁ] Par. H.
ἀπωθούμενος : cett. ἀπωθούμενα.
The correction is Stallbaum’s.
The MS. reading requires ἀλλ᾽
ὅσα. 1. 6, δυναμένους κοινωνεῖν
τούτων doa. But the neuter
may be defended by supplying
ἤθη, aS implied in τοὺς duvape-
vous κοινωνεῖν ἤθους.
1. κολάζουσα] There is a
sort of zeugma here. Only
a part of the sense of ἐκβάλλει
is to be repeated with the
participle.
p- 309
ΠΟΛΙΡΙΚΟΣ. 183
γένος.
NE. Q. ᾿Ορθότατα.
ip / , x \ ΠῚ /
$309. πολλῇ κυλινδουμένους εἰς TO δουλικὸν ὑποζεύγνυσι
μι \ Χ σ ΄
HE. Tous λοιποὺς τοίνυν, ὅσων αἱ φύσεις ἐπὶ τὸ
γενναῖον ἱκαναὶ παιδείας τυγχάνουσαι καθίστασθαι
b καὶ δέξασθαι μετὰ τέχνης ξύμμιξιν πρὸς ἀλλήλας,
/ Ν \ Cr \ > / a /
τούτων τὰς μὲν ἐπὶ THY ἀνδρείαν μᾶλλον ξυντεινού-
- \ , > Sit lew 3 ἈΝ
σας, οἷον στημονοῴυες νομισασ αὐτῶν εἶναι τὸ
Χ 3 \ tS Ν ΄ 7, / Ν
στερεὸμ ἦθος, Tas δὲ ἐπὶ τὸ κόσμιον πίονί TE καὶ
μαλακῷ καὶ κατὰ τὴν εἰκόνα κροκώδει Ἔδιανήματι Ἔ
Z ] ρ ὮΜ
[4 3 / ὃ \ / ἀλλ aN
προσχρωμενας, ἐναντία Oe τεινουσας aAAnAaLS, πει-
a , \ a
ρᾶται τοιόνδε τινὰ τρόπον ξυνδεῖν καὶ ξυμπλέκειν.
NE. ΣΏ. Ποῖον δή:
“ΞΕ.
cas \ ‘ XN \ NS \
Πρῶτον μὲν κατὰ τὸ ξυγγενὲς τὸ ἀειγενὲς
ὃν τῆς ψυχῆς αὐτῶν μέρος θείῳ ξυναρμοσαμένη
δεσμῷ, μετὰ δὲ τὸ θεῖον τὸ ζωογενὲς αὐτῶν αὖθις
»
ἀνθρωπίνοις.
NE. ΣΏΩ. Πῶς τοῦτ᾽ εἶπες αὖ:
μαι Χ a ἴω " / \ 5
BE. Τὴν τῶν καλῶν καὶ δικαίων πέρι καὶ ἀγα-
τ. ὑποζεύγνυσι] Se. τοῖς ἀλ-
λοις, “makes subject to the
rest.”
7. τὰς μὲν ἐπὶ — ξυμπλέ-
cev| “ Some natures tending
more to courage, whose hard
quality she compares to that
of the warp, while others are
disposed to gentleness, as if
spun thick and soft and, ac-
cording to the image, in the
manner of the woof, these op-
posite tendencies she tries to
bind and weave together in
the following way.”
ξυντεινούσας] Neut. Cf. supr.
294 b.
10. ἃ διανήματι ] MSS. dcav-
θήματι. Cf. διανθίζω. Corrected
by Cornarius.
14. Πρῶτον --- ἀνθρωπίνοις }
“First harmonizing that part
of their soul which is of eter-
nal origin with ἃ kindred,
that is a divine bond; and,
after that which is divine, the
animal nature again with hu-
man bonds.” For the ζωογενὲς
μέρος τῆς ψυχῆς, cf. Tim. 69 ¢,
566. :
15. θείῳ --- ἀνθρωπίνοι.] Cf.
Lege. 1, 631}: διπλᾶ δὲ ἀγαθά
ἐστι, τὰ μὲν ἀνθρώπινα, τὰ δὲ
θεῖα ἤρτηται δ᾽
θάτερα.
> “ ,
ἐκ τῶν θείων
σι
will weave
together in
the follow-
ing way,
taking the
brave na-
tures for
the warp
and the
gentle for
the softer
woof.
As nature
directs, she
will bind
the immor-
tal part in
them by a
TO divine
bond, and
the animal
part by
human ties.
Right opin-
ion of what
is noble,
just, and
15 good, when
confirmed
by reason
inthemind,
is a divine
principle in
a godlike
form.
The good
lawgiver
should
alone be
able to im-
part this
by eduea-
tion to the
natures ca-
pable of it.
The effect
of this is
to soften
the brave
nature,
and to en-
lighten the
gentle.
184 ΠΛΑΤΏΩΝΟΣ
θῶν καὶ τῶν τούτοις ἐναντίων ὄντως οὖσαν ἀληθῆ
, \ / . ΄ ad ’
δόξαν pera βεβαιώσεως, ὁπόταν ἐν ψυχαῖς ἐγγίγνη-
ται, θείαν φημὶ ἐν δαιμονίῳ γίγνεσθαι γένει
᾿ )μ μονιῷ LY: γένει.
NE. ΣΩ. Πρέπει γοῦν οὕτως.
— ἈΝ \ \ \ \
5 EK. Tov δὴ πολιτικὸν καὶ τὸν ἀγαθὸν vopo-
, 3 7 “ ’ , ‘\
Oernv ap ἴσμεν ὅτι προσήκει μόνον δυνατὸν
5 in a A ~ 93. Καὶ ΓΞ
εἶναι τῇ τῆς βασιλικῆς μούσῃ τοῦτο αὐτὸ ἐμποιεῖν
a > lad a / A » /
τοῖς ὀρθῶς μεταλαβοῦσι παιδείας, ovs ἐλέγομεν
΄σ ΄
νῦν δη:
Ν “ » /
NE. 2Q. To γοῦν εἰκος.
EE. Ὃς δ᾽ av δρᾷν ye, ὦ Σώκρατες, ἀδυνατῇ τὸ
Io
τοιοῦτον, μηδέποτε τοῖς νῦν ζητουμένοις ὀνόμασιν
αὐτὸν προσαγορεύωμεν.
NE. ΣΏ. ᾿Ορθότατα.
1 ΞΡ, Τί οὖν ; ἀνδρεία ψυχὴ λαμβανομένη τῆς
τοιαύτης ἀληθείας ap οὐχ ἡμεροῦται καὶ τῶν δικαίων
μάλιστα οὕτω κοινωνεῖν ἂν ἐθελήσειε, μὴ μεταλα-
βοῦσα δὲ ἀποκλίνει μᾶλλον πρὸς θηριώδη τινὰ
φύσιν:
NE. ΣΏ. Πῶς δ᾽ οὖ:
i? Ν a , -
HE. Τί δέ; τὸ τῆς κοσμίας φύσεως ap οὐ τού-
20
Χ a a » lad
των μὲν μεταλαβὸν τῶν δοξῶν ὄντως σῶφρον καὶ
τ. ὄντως---βεβαιώσεως] “ Real
true opinion with confirma-
tion:” i. e. knowledge, as de-
fined in Theeet. sub. fin. and
Meno 98 a, b; Phedo 76 ;
Tim. 51 d,e; Legg. 2, 653 b.
3. δαιμονίῳ γένει | Se. τῷ
τῶν ψυχῶν: which is at least
Heaven-born, if not Divine.
Cf. κατὰ τὸ συγγενές supr.
Legg. 1,644 Ὁ: ὡς πρῶτον τῶν
καλλίστων
δράσι παραγιγνόμενον.
΄ 3) ?
τοῖς ἀρίστοις ἀν-
Lbs τὰ;
0913. 6: κτῆμα ἀντὶ κτήματος ἄμει-
νον ἐν ἀμείνονι κτησάμενος, δίκην
ἐν τῇ Ψψυχῇ πλούτου προτιμή-
σας.
7. μούσῃ! Cf. Rep. 6, 499
: αὕτη ἡ μοῦσα. This use is
frequent in the Laws.
12. τοῖς νῦν ζητουμένοις ὀνόμα-
ow] πολιτικὸς, βασιλικὸς, βα-
σιλεύς.
15. ἀνδρεία---φύσιν] Cf. Rep.
3; 410, 411.
Ρ. 30
d
c
ΠΟΛΙΓΊΚΟΣ.
185
] , [2 > / 4 ΄-
09. φρόνιμον, ὡς γε ἐν πολιτείᾳ, γίγνεται, μὴ κοινωνῆ-
τ ,ὕ ᾽ 7, ΄, ᾽ , 7
σαν δὲ ὧν λέγομεν ἐπονείδιστόν τινα εὐηθείας δικαιό-
τατα λαμβάνει φήμην ;
NE. 30. Πάνυ μὲν οὖν.
ἱπαταὶ > an \ a rn
EE. Οὐκοῦν ξυμπλοκὴν καὶ δεσμὸν τοῦτον τοῖς 5
\ - Χ a > ‘ ° va \
μὲν κακοῖς πρὸς σφᾶς αὐτοὺς καὶ τοῖς ἀγαθοῖς πρὸς
\ \ / / lal /
τοὺς κακοὺς μηδέποτε μόνιμον φῶμεν γίγνεσθαι,
/ > 7 > ω a Ν \ ,
μηδέ τινα ἐπιστήμην αὐτῷ σπουδῇ πρὸς τοὺς τοιου-
Δ lal
Tous av χρῆσθαί ποτε;
NE. 2Q. Πῶς γάρ;
HE. Τοῖς δ᾽ εὐγενέσι γενομένοις τε ἐξ ἀρχῆς
ἤθεσι θρεφθεῖσί τε κατὰ φύσιν μόνοις διὰ νόμων
» , Ν SEN , \ a? 5 /
ἐμῴυεσθαι, καὶ ἐπὶ τούτοις δὴ τοῦτ᾽ εἰναι τέχνῃ
’ 7, 57 a“ /
φάρμακον, καὶ, καθάπερ εἴπομεν, τοῦτον θειότατον
3: Ν , > “ a Me 7,
εἶναι τὸν ξύνδεσμον ἀρετῆς μερῶν * φύσει
ΩΣ
NN > / /
καὶ ἐπὶ TavavTia φερομένων.
I. ὥς γε ἐν πολιτείᾳ 1] In
which it is not possible fully
to embody the highest wisdom.
Cf. Rep. 4, 430 6: πολιτικήν
ye (ἀνδρείαν).
2. εὐηθείας] Cf. Rep. 1, 349b,
3, 409 a.
5. τοῦτον, SC. τὸν πολιτικὸν]
“Must we not then say that
the social bond can never
become lasting either amongst
bad men or between the bad
and the good: nor would any
science ever seriously make
use of such a bond in relation
to such materials as these ?”
Qu. an leg. τοιοῦτον 2
τοῖς μὲν κακοῖς --- ἀγαθοῖς |
The datives depend on γίγνε-
σθαι μόνιμον.
11. Τοῖς δ᾽ εὐγενέσι---φερομέ-
νων] Se. φῶμεν. “ But in those
characters which are at once
noble in thei first origin,
and have been reared accord-
ingly, in these alone this har-
mony grows up when fostered
by the laws, and this medi-
cine is scientifically destined
for them; and, as we have
said, this is the diviner bond,
uniting parts of virtue by
nature dissimilar, and diversely
bent.”
τε] MSS. ye.
13. tovros| The Bodl. MS.
has τούτους with ATI.
14. θειότατον] So the Bodl.
MS., with AZlISY. Vulg.
—TEpov.
15. ἃ φύσει x] The conj. of
Stephanus for the MS. reading
φύσεως. The expression ἀρετῆς
---ὀΟ ρύσεως, though at first sight
resembling Soph. 258 b (@aré-
pov μορίου φύσεως), is less de-
*pb
se /
ἀνομοίων 15
ΠῚ this di-
vine bond
be once im-
posed, the
human
links are
easily fas-
tened.
These are
the laws of
intermar-
riage and
union for
the sake of
offspring.
The com-
mon prac-
tice is erro-
neous with
respect to
this.
Not to
mention
alliances
for the sake
of wealth
and power,
in caring
for family
connexion,
men act
180 ΠΛΑΤΏΝΟΣ
on a wrong NE. ZO) ᾿Αληθέστατα.
principle
aiming EE. Τοὺς μὴν λοιπούς, ὄντας ἀνθρωπίνους δεσ-
chiefly at ᾿ Ἔν , ΒΗ J \ rah
present μούς, ὑπάρχοντος τούτου τοῦ θείου σχεδὸν οὐδὲν χα-
ease, and 8 ἐϑ 3 : 9 =
at consort- λεπὸν οὔτε ἐννοεῖν οὔτε ἐννοήσαντα ἀποτελεῖν.
ing with
a / Ν /
their likes, 5 NE. 2Q. [Ids 67, καὶ τίνας ;
΄ a / /
HE. Τοὺς τῶν ἐπιγαμιῶν καὶ παίδων κοινωνήσεων
“ Ν > / 4 c Ν
καὶ τῶν περὶ τὰς ἰδίας ἐκδόσεις καὶ γάμους. οἱ yap
Ν \ Ν a > > lal ΄σ Ν
πολλοὶ τὰ περὶ ταῦτα οὐκ ὀρθῶς ξυνδοῦνται πρὸς
\ a /
THY τῶν παίδων γέννησιν.
1 ΝΕ. SQ. Τί δή;
Ν \ / 7 ΄σ ,ὔ
HE. Τὰ μὲν πλούτου καὶ δυνάμεων ἐν τοῖς τοιού-
7 , / x ε y+ Γ ΄
τοις διώγματα τί καί τις ἂν ὡς ἄξια λόγου σπουδάζοι
μεμφόμενος ;
NE. 2Q. Οὐδέν.
15
fensible. Virtue was too fami-
liar an abstraction to be thus
paraphrased. And the reading
φύσεως may easily have slipt
in from supr. κοσμίας φύσεως.
Cf. supr. 308 b: μόρια ἀρετῆς
ov σμικρὰ ἀλλήλοις διαφέρεσθον
φύσει.
6. ἐπιγαμιῶν ---- κοινωνήσεων |
“ Intermarriages, and giving
and taking of children in mar-
riage between states.” The
κοινωνία τῶν παίδων is not to be
thought of here.
8. ξυνδοῦνται] Rather mid-
dle voice with reciprocal mean-
ing than passive: = “ enter into
mutual bonds.”
12. διώγματα |
Eum. 136.
15. περὶ τὰ γένη] “About good
family connexions.” Stallbaum
objects that what follows re-
lates to individual character
Cf. Aesch.
ΞΕ. Μᾶλλον δέ ye δίκαιον τῶν περὶ τὰ γένη
and not to birth, and suggests
ἤθη. But the transition from
wealth to birth is so natural,
that Plato here applies the
latter notion metaphorically,
which is so much the easier
as the bold and gentle cha-
racters are spoken of as γένη,
and as the argument requires
them to be viewed as here-
ditary. “ People at present
are too clannish in their alli-
ances: the brave seeks union
with the brave, the gentle with
the gentle race.” Cf. supr. a:
τοῖς εὐγενέσι γενομένοις. And in-
fra: τὸ περὶ τὴν ἀνδρείαν yévos—
ἀμφότερα τὰ γένη. Also Legg. 3,
ὅο1 6 : τῇ κατὰ γένος αὐθαδεῖ
ῥώμῃ. This idea does ποῦ
seem to be present in Tim.
18 6: ὅπως οἱ κακοὶ χωρὶς οἵ τ᾽
ἀγαθοὶ ταῖς ὁμοίαις ἑκάτεροι ξυλ-
λήξοντα. But then in the Re-
Ρ. Sai
b
ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΟΣ.
187
? > ᾽ὔ / / / ov Ν
10, ποιουμένων ἐπιμέλειαν, τούτων πέρι λέγειν, εἰ TL μὴ
© κατὰ τρύπον πράττουσιν.
NE. ΣΩ. Eixos γὰρ οὖν.
HE. Πράττουσι μὲν δὴ οὐδὲ ἐξ ἑνὸς ὀρθοῦ λόγου,
d
\ n “΄“ ͵7ὔ e / qn
τὴν ἐν τῷ παραχρῆμα διώκοντες ῥᾳστώνην καὶ TOs
‘\ \ U/ « “ > / \ >
TOUS μὲν προσομοίους αὑτοῖς ἀσπάζεσθαι, τοὺς ὃ
ἀνομοίους μὴ στέργειν, πλεῖστον τῇ δυσχερείᾳ μέρος
3 3
ἀπονέμοντες.
NE. 2Q. Πός:
μ- ΄ ἊΝ / x, κ >
SE. Οἱ μέν που κόσμιοι τὸ σφέτερον αὐτῶν ἦθος 10 Thus the
a Χ ’, an / \ /
ζητοῦσι, καὶ κατὰ δύναμιν γαμοῦσί τε παρὰ τούτων
Ν \ > 7 9 «ε a > , 3 ye
και TAS ἐκδιδομένας TAP αὐτῶν εἰς τουτοὺς εκπεμ-
’, «ε “ ΧΝ Ν \ > / /
πουσι πάλιν" ws δ᾽ αὕτως TO περὶ THY ἀνδρείαν γένος
public and the opening of the
Timeeus it is assumed that in
each individual the active and
philosophic tempers are com-
bined. In the Laws the harder
natures are chosen for the
highest offices, Lege. 5, 734 e:
καθάπερ οὖν δή τινα ξυνυφὴν ἢ
πλέγμ᾽ ἄλλ᾽ ὁτιοῦν, οὐκ ἐκ τῶν
αὐτῶν οἷόν τ᾽ ἐστὶ τὴν τ᾽ ἐφυφὴν
καὶ τὸν στήμονα ἀπεργάζεσθαι,
διαφέρειν δ᾽ ἀναγκαῖον τὸ τῶν
στημόνων πρὸς ἀρετὴν γένος" ἰσχυ-
ρόν τε γὰρ καί τινα βεβαιότητα ἐν
τοῖς τρόποις εἰληφός" τὸ δὲ μαλα-
κώτερον καὶ ἐπιεικείᾳ τινὶ δικαίᾳ
χρώμενον" ὅθεν δὴ τοὺς μεγάλας
ἀρχὰς ἐν ταῖς πόλεσιν ἄρξοντας
δεῖ διακρίνεσθαί τινα τρόπον ταύτῃ
καὶ τοὺς σμικρᾷ παιδείᾳ βασανι-
σθέντας ἑκάστοτε κατὰ λόγον. (ΟἿ,
Arist. Pol. I. 3: φησὶ γὰρ δεῖν
ὥσπερ ἐξ ἑτέρου τὸ στημόνιον
ἐρίου γίνεται τῆς κρόκης, οὕτω καὶ
τοὺς ἄρχοντας ἔχειν δεῖν πρὸς τοὺς
ἀρχομένους. The same mixture
of natures, however, is required
in the other citizens, Legg. 6,
773.¢: ταῦτα δὴ διὰ λόγου μὲν
νόμῳ προστάττειν μὴ γαμεῖν πλού-
σιον πλουσίου μηδὲ πολλὰ δυνά-
μενον πράττειν ἄλλου τοιούτου,
θάττους δὲ ἤθεσι πρὸς βραδυτέ-
ρους καὶ βραδυτέρους πρὸς θάττους
ἀναγκάζειν τῇ τῶν γάμων κοινωνίᾳ
πορεύεσθαι, πρὸς τῷ γελοῖα εἶναι
θῦμον ἂν ἐγεῖραι πολλοῖς" οὐ γὰρ
ῥάδιον ἐννοεῖν ὅτι πόλιν
δεῖ δίκην κρατῆρος κεκραμένην, οὗ
μαινόμενος μὲν οἶνος ἐγκεχυμένος
ζεῖ, κολαζόμενος δὲ ὑπὸ νήφοντος
ἑτέρου θεοῦ καλὴν κοινωνίαν λαβὼν
ἀγαθὸν πῶμα καὶ μέτριον ἀπεργά-
ζεται. Compare also the com-
bination of qualities required
for the guardian in Rep. 2,
and for the philosopher in
Rep. 6 and the Theztetus.
5. τὴν — otepyev] There
is a change of construction
from the participial form to
the dative of the manner.
7. πλεῖστον — ἀπονέμοντες]
“Giving far more importance
to their dislike than to any
other consideration.”
εἶναι
= Ὁ
sober inter-
marry with
the sober,
the bold
with the
bold. But
they ought
188 MAATQNOZ
rather to
seek con-
nexionwith TEpa τὰ γένη τούτων τοὐναντίον ἅπαν.
their oppo-
sites. For NE. 3Q. Πώς, καὶ διὰ τί;
the bold ; 7 ͵ 3 a ΄
race, un- EE. Διότι πέφυκεν ἀνδρεία τε ἐν πολλαῖς yee
mixed, is
vigorous at 5 OEOLV ἄμικτος γεννωμένη σώφρονι φύσει κατὰ μὲν
first, but
tends to ἀρχὰς ἀκμάζειν ῥώμῃ, τελευτῶσα δὲ ἐξανθεῖν παντά-
madness in ;
the end. πασι μανιαις.
And the 9) IE
gentle NE. OQ. Eikos.
breed, un-
mixed with
EE. Ἡ δὲ αἰδοῦς ye αὖ λίαν πλήρης ψυχὴ καὶ
the brave, ἽΝ, ͵ » , ὧς ἃς \ \ \
hasafeeble 10 ἀκέραστος τόλμης ἀνδρείας, ἐπὶ δὲ γενεᾶς πολλᾶς
progeny. “ a , , an a A:
Tsien οὕτω γεννηθεῖσα, νωθεστέρα φύεσθαι τοῦ καιροῦ καὶ
rangements 3 a \ , » A θ
foravoid. ἀποτελευτῶσα δὴ παντάπασιν ἀναπηροῦσθαι.
ine this A seen Ψ ,
ΕΠ ΕΙΣ NE. ΣΏ. Καὶ τοῦτο εἰκὸς οὕτω ξυμβαίνειν.
le, if , \ \ \ / “
ἘΠ ΤΣ HE. Τούτους δὴ τοὺς δεσμοὺς ἔλεγον ὅτι χαλε-
are im- ‘ > Q\ Ze KN A \ A \
eee) OWED οὐδὲν ξυνδεῖν ὑπάρξαντος τοῦ περὶ τα καλὰ
with the
Ν > \ , y > / \ / ῇ
καὶ ἀγαθὰ μίαν ἔχειν ἀμφότερα τὰ γένη δόξαν.
same view
5. σώφρονι φύσει] ἄμικτος is
to be joined by hyperbaton to
σώφρονι φύσει.
bued with one opinion respect-
ing what is honourable and
good. Yes, this is the single
6. e€avOciv—pavias| Tragic.
Cf. Soph. Ant. : οὕτω τᾶς μανίας
δεινὸν ἀποστάζει ἀνθηρόν τε μένος,
κεῖνος ἐπέγνω μανίαις k.7.A. Aesch.
Pers. 821 : ὕβρις γὰρ ἐξανθοῦσ᾽
ἐκάρπωσε στάχυν ἄτης. The
dative μανίαις occurs with simi-
lar meaning in Legg. g, 869 a,
ib. 881 b, ib. 6, 783 a.
9. Ἡ δὲ κιτ.λ.] Se. πέφυκε.
αἰδοῦς γε] Bod. τε.
II. νωθ. τοῦ κι) 1. 6. ἀκαίρως
νωθής. Cf. supr. 276 6:
στερα Tov δέοντος. 308 a.
14. Τούτους δὴ — ἐπιτρέπειν |
“Tt was of these bonds I said
that there would be no diffi-
culty in creating them, if only
both the kinds were first im-
εὐηθέ-
work in which the whole pro-
cess of the royal weaving is
comprised, never to allow tem-
perate natures to keep aloof
from the brave, but, warping
them together by common sen-
timents, by honours, by repu-
tation, and by interchange of
pledges, to form of both a
smooth and closely-woven web,
and then to give into their
hands the offices of state.” Cf.
supr. 310 a, Ὁ. Rep. 4, 429¢:
διὰ πάντος δ᾽ ἔλεγον αὐτὴν σω-
τηρίαν τὸ --- διασώζεσθαι αὐτὴν
κιτιλ.
15. ξυνδεῖν ὑπ.] Bodl. ξυνυπ.,
not ξυνδεῖν ξυνυπ. (Stallb.)
16. καὶ ἀγαθὰ] Bodl. καγαθὰ.
δρᾷ, τὴν αὑτοῦ μεταδιῶκον φύσιος δέον ποιεῖν ἀμφό- ν. au Bi
4
e
310.
|
b
IIOAITIKOZ. 189
cal \ A “ 7,
τοῦτο yap ἕν καὶ ὅλον ἐστὶ βασιλικῆς ξυνυφάνσεως
yy / ἔχω > 7 / > Ν cal
ἔργον, μηδέποτε ἐᾷν ἀφίστασθαι σωῴρονα ἀπὸ τῶν
, 3, , \ ε / -
ἀνδρείων ἤθη, ξυγκερκίζοντα δὲ ὁμοδοξίαις καὶ τιμαῖς
/ lal / > /
καὶ δόξαις Kal ὁμηρειῶν ἐκδόσεσιν εἰς ἀλλήλους,
tal XN / Vdd v4 /
311. λεῖον καὶ τὸ λεγόμενον εὐήτριον ὕφασμα Evvayovra 5
3 > a \ > rn / > \ Oi o /
ἐξ αὐτῶν, Tas ἐν ταῖς πόλεσιν ἀρχὰς ἀεὶ κοινῇ TOV-
(A
τοις ἐπιτρέπειν.
NE. 2Q. Πός:
ΩΣ > 3, ,
EE. Οὗ μὲν ἂν ἑνὸς ἄρχοντος χρεία ξυμβαίνῃ,
\ an / ys ς / 3 ’ὔ ᾿
TOV TQUTA ἀμφότερα EXOVTA ALPOVMEVOY ἐπιστΤαΤΉΡ᾽" τὸ
@ δ᾽ a‘ x / / / ε / &
ov 0 ἂν πλειόνων, τούτων μέρος ἑκατέρων ξυμμι-
, \ \ \ ΄ » / 27) ,
γνυντα. τὰ μὲν yap σωφρόνων ἀρχόντων ἡθὴ σῴφο-
\ > a Ν / Ν , /
Opa μὲν εὐλαβῆ καὶ δίκαια καὶ σωτήρια, δριμύτητος
’ / a
δὲ καί τινος ἰταμότητος ὀξείας Kal πρακτικῆς ἐν-
δεῖται.
NE. ΣΏ. Δοκεῖ γοῦν δὴ καὶ τάδε.
EE. Τὰ δ᾽ ἀνδρεῖα γε αὖ πρὸς μὲν τὸ δίκαιον καὶ
\ XN - ,
εὐλαβὲς ἐκείνων ἐπιδεέστερα, TO δ᾽ ἐν Tals πράζεσι
Ττὸ μὲν διαφερόντως ἴσχει. πάντα δὲ καλῶς γίγνε-
3. ξυγκερκίζοντα ] ““ Making
the web close.” Vid. supr.
note on 282 b.
4. ὁμηρειῶν] ‘ Pledges.” The
word occurs in Thucyd. VIII.
45:
λιπόντες ἐς ὁμηρείαν τὸν προσο-
φειλόμενον μίσθον.
5. εὐήτριον] “ Of an even or
close texture.” The opposite
is imphed in Phedr. 268 a:
εἰ apa σοὶ φαίνεται διε-
στηκὸς αὐτῶν τὸ ἤτριον ὥσπερ
ἐμοί.
12. τὰ μὲν γὰρ---ἐνδεῖται] “For
the character of a temperate
ruler is very careful and just
and safe, but is lacking in
A -~ > , ς
Tas ναὺς ἀπολείπωσιν πυπο-
\
Και
thoroughness, and in a certain
prompt and active determina-
tion.”
14. ἰταμότητος] The abstract
occurs only here. For
ἰταμὸς ef. Lege. 6, 773 Ὁ, and
for irns Prot. 349 6.
18. ἐπιδεέστερα) So Bodl.
with ATI. cett. ἐπιδεεστέρα.
TO—ev ταῖς πράξεσι = TO πρακ-
τικόν. But see next note.
1g. tro pevt] “This, as op-
posed to the former.” Cf. Soph.
252 ἃ: τοῦτο μὲν οἷός Te κἀγὼ
διαλύειν. τὸ μὲν SC. τὸ ἀνδρεῖον
ἦθος. The change from plural
to singular is noticeable, but
seems to be required by ἀμφοῖν
of truth
and right,
Combining
these two
kinds by
every avail-
able in-
fluence of
opinion and
custom, the
kingly art
will dele-
gate all
offices of
state to
their joint
rule, where
one officer
is needed,
taking care
that he
combines
both na-
tures, and
where
there are
more, se-
lecting
equally
from both,
that the
state may
act with
energy and
good heed,
190 ITAATQNOZ
σθαι τὰ περὶ Tas πόλεις ἰδία Kat δημοσία τούτοιν μὴ 1
pl Tas πόλεις ἰδίᾳ ημοσίς μὴ Ρ.3
/ ΄- ᾽ /
Tapayevopevow ἀμφοῖν ἀδύνατον.
NE. ΣΩ. Πῶς γὰρ οὔ:
EE. Τοῦτο δὴ τέλος ὑφάσματος εὐθυπλοκίᾳ Evp-
lal Ν cal
5πλακὲν γίγνεσθαι φαμὲν πολιτικῆς πράξεως, τὸ τῶν
3 / Ν / > / 5 e /
ἀνδρείων καὶ σωφρόνων ἀνθρώπων ἦθος, ὁπόταν
ὁμονοίᾳ καὶ φιλίᾳ κοινὸν ξυναγαγοῦσα αὐτῶν τὸν
μονοίς ὶ ίᾳ κοινὸν γαγ
, e \ / U /
Biov ἡ βασιλικὴ τέχνη, πάντων μεγαλοπρεπέστατον
e / My, ᾽ , % “ ae 9
ὑφασμάτων Και αριστον ἀποτελέσασα, “ὡς MW ELVaL
/ 7 yy nr , / /
το κοινὸν, τοὺς T ἄλλους ἐν ταῖς πόλεσι πάντας δούλους
\ ἮΝ 2 5 / / , a we
και EAEVUEPOUS ἀαμπισχοῦσα, TUVEX)) TOUT® Τῷ 7 Λε
Ἂν Do 5 / / /
γματι, καὶ καθ᾽ ὅσον εὐδαίμονι προσήκει γίγνεσθαι
πόλει, τούτου μηδαμῇ μηδὲν ἐλλείπουσα ἄρχῃ τε καὶ
ἐπιστατῇ.
following. The words are re-
jected by Ast, who conjectured
ἰταμὸν, and Stallb., who here, as
elsewhere, unnecessarily sus-
pects a gloss. Qy. τομὸν 1 Cf.
Tim. 61 e.
4. Τοῦτο δὴ----ἐπιστατῇ] “This,
then, according to our view, is
the perfection of the web of
political action, directly woven
—the brave and temperate in
human character, when the
kingly science has drawn the
lives of such men into com-
munion by unanimity and kind-
ness, and having thus com-
pleted the most glorious and
noble of all webs that are of
a public nature, and envelop-
ing therewith all other denizens
of cities, whether slaves or
free, binds them by this con-
texture into one, and leaving
out no point of a city’s happi-
ness, in as far as it belongs to
a city to attain to happiness,
so governs and presides.” For
εὐθυπλοκίᾳ, here metaphorically
applied, cf. supr. 283 a.
ξυμπλακὲν) Bodl. AT, ξυμ-
πλέκειν, Τ', ξυμπλεκὲν. ξυμπλακὲν
is in keeping with the tragic
diction of much else in the
dialogue. Cf. Aesch. Ag. 1171:
ὅρκος, πῆγμα γενναίως παγέν.
9. τ ὥς γκ εἶναι κοινόν] MSS.
ὥστ΄. Cf. supr., ὥς ye ἐν πολι-
τείᾳ. It seems to be implied
that, although this is the best
common life, a higher life is
reserved for the individual.
For the inf., cf. Rep. 4, 430 ἃ.
But perhaps the words are a
gloss on κοινὸν supra, as Stall-
baum thinks.
11. ἀμπίσχουσα] Here the
Bodleian has ἀμφίσχουσα (sic)
with ATI.
12. καθ᾽ ὅσον εὐδαίμονι x.7.A. |
Cf. Lege. 3, 697 b: τὴν μέλλου-
σαν --- εὐδαιμονήσειν εἰς δύναμιν
ἀνθρωπίνην.
SS
ee «οἰὐὐὔϑυδιδοδες........................ ὅδε κιάκιας, καῦμα
ΠΟΛΙΤΊΚΟΣ.
191
NE. ΣΩ. Κάλλιστα αὖ τὸν βασιλικὸν ἀπε-
, 2 con 5 / Ων Ν
τέλεσας ἄνδρα ἡμῖν, ὦ eve, καὶ τὸν πολι-
fe
TLKOV,
I. Κάλλιστα k.7.d.] Some
editors have adopted Stallb.’s
conjecture, and have attributed
these words to the philosopher
Socrates. But it is not likely
that he would interpose with-
out giving Young Socrates time
to assent to the last proposi-
tion. The present expression
is merely an expanded and
more courteous form of assent,
marking the conclusion of the
argument. It has been already
noticed, that the dramatic is
subordinated to the dialectical
interest of this dialogue. Hence
there is less motive for intro-
ducing the elder Socrates again.
Compare the end of the Par-
menides. Those, however, who
think that the praise is more
becoming in the mouth of the
philosopher, may suppose that
the answer of the younger So-
crates has dropt out, 6. g. ᾿Αλη-
θέστατά ye. Cf. Soph. ad fin.
The state
thus consti-
tuted will
be as happy
as a com-
munity of
men can be.
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