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The \"Revelation First\" NTS Chronology Thesis\n\nIn New Testament textual criticism and historical analysis, the \"Revelation First\" thesis (sometimes called the \"Revelation Early\" thesis) is the argument that the Book of Revelation was the very first book composed in the New Testament canon.\n• The Core Argument: Formalized in recent text-historical discussions (notably within specialized digital archives like the Crimson Hexagonal Archive), this thesis challenges the traditional late-date consensus (which places Revelation around 95–96 AD under Emperor Domitian).\n• The Chronology: It posits a radical early-date chronology, asserting that the text was written prior to the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 AD—potentially during or immediately following Nero's persecution in the mid-60s AD. By establishing Revelation as the foundational document, it argues that subsequent New Testament texts actually rely on or inherit textual dependencies from John’s Apocalypse, rather than the other way around.\n\n2. Systematic Theology: The First Thesis on Divine Revelation\n\nIf you are studying systematic theology or the philosophy of religion, the First Thesis regarding the nature of revelation refers to a famous epistemological premise formulated by theologians like Gerald O'Collins, SJ, which states: \"The divine revelation is primarily the self-revelation of God.\"\n• The Core Argument: Heavily shaped by the dogmatic constitutions of the First and Second Vatican Councils (Dei Filius and Dei Verbum), this thesis argues that revelation is not merely a transmission of abstract propositional data or hidden \"truths about God\".\n• The Implication: Instead, revelation is a personal, relational disclosure where God reveals God's own self. 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